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2021-03-11T00:01:12 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> "3.2 million lines of code of emacs is lisp which is only 60% of all the code" 2021-03-11T00:01:55 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> 16% roff and 15% c 2021-03-11T00:02:14 #kisslinux <necromansy> christ almighty 2021-03-11T00:02:16 #kisslinux <necromansy> too much code 2021-03-11T00:02:59 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Well not really. Compare that to linux tho 2021-03-11T00:03:03 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Emacs in as os 2021-03-11T00:03:22 #kisslinux <necromansy> isnt most of linux code in the kernel tho? 2021-03-11T00:04:16 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> yeah kernel locs is what I mean 2021-03-11T00:04:35 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Besides you can replace all your programs with emacs so why bother 2021-03-11T00:07:41 #kisslinux <necromansy> coz its too much :P 2021-03-11T00:08:53 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> "DOH but you will have same keybindings in every program!" 2021-03-11T00:11:48 #kisslinux <necromansy> the thing with emacs is you kinda have to be in on all features or find a stripped back version 2021-03-11T00:11:53 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> so emacs is the only wm that supports both xorg and wayland 2021-03-11T00:12:01 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> how so? 2021-03-11T00:12:39 #kisslinux <necromansy> well, what features does emacs provide 2021-03-11T00:12:45 #kisslinux <necromansy> outside of its text editor? 2021-03-11T00:12:52 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> operating system 2021-03-11T00:13:33 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> window manager, browser, email client, file manager, git client, etc 2021-03-11T00:13:39 #kisslinux <necromansy> exactly 2021-03-11T00:13:58 #kisslinux <necromansy> you're basically installing an OS 2021-03-11T00:14:07 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah, its got a small LOC for it all 2021-03-11T00:14:20 #kisslinux <necromansy> but, you're still installing *everything* 2021-03-11T00:14:23 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Where's the emacs kernel tho :c 2021-03-11T00:14:39 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Wanna change my .config 2021-03-11T00:15:58 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> support for printing. in EMACS 2021-03-11T00:28:02 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> This is the only thing I want to clarify that should've never existed. The ultimate virus 2021-03-11T00:34:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> why wouldn't you want NotepadOS to support printing 2021-03-11T03:56:31 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi 2021-03-11T04:02:27 #kisslinux <acheam> gooooooood morning testuser_[m] 2021-03-11T04:17:30 #kisslinux <acheam> this message sent from emacs 2021-03-11T04:17:40 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice 2021-03-11T04:17:41 #kisslinux <acheam> yessss 2021-03-11T04:17:57 #kisslinux <acheam> weechat in emacs, would've thought 2021-03-11T04:32:04 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Can someone tell me more editors like neatvi ? 2021-03-11T04:33:02 #kisslinux <necromansy> in what sense? 2021-03-11T04:33:08 #kisslinux <necromansy> vi clones or what? 2021-03-11T04:33:14 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> yeah i meant vi clones 2021-03-11T04:33:24 #kisslinux <necromansy> there's vis, elvis, nvi 2021-03-11T04:35:34 #kisslinux <dgre> lol elvis 2021-03-11T04:41:03 #kisslinux <acheam> http://www.linfo.org/vi/clones.html 2021-03-11T04:41:53 #kisslinux <acheam> slightly outdated article 2021-03-11T04:42:18 #kisslinux <acheam> (2004) 2021-03-11T05:32:28 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> bbswitch? I can't find how to make the module 2021-03-11T05:34:02 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> I get errors trying to make it :/ 2021-03-11T05:42:38 #kisslinux <jslick> looks like it hasn't been updated in 7 years. arch build has patches for it: https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-community/tree/packages/bbswitch/trunk 2021-03-11T06:00:32 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> jslick: thank you kindly 2021-03-11T06:08:10 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> [54447.795071] bbswitch: disabling discrete graphics 2021-03-11T06:08:10 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> [54447.806895] pci 0000:01:00.0: refused to change power state from D0 to D3hot 2021-03-11T06:08:12 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> ree 2021-03-11T06:16:06 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> oh, feels colder now anyways, neat 2021-03-11T06:37:07 #kisslinux <midfavila1> do you guys ever just feel like dropping computers entirely 2021-03-11T06:38:11 #kisslinux <necromansy> nope 2021-03-11T06:38:31 #kisslinux * midfavila1 shrugs 2021-03-11T06:38:39 #kisslinux <necromansy> i have plenty of issues with computing 2021-03-11T06:38:45 #kisslinux <necromansy> but i enjoy my research 2021-03-11T06:38:52 #kisslinux <necromansy> and technology 2021-03-11T06:39:03 #kisslinux <midfavila1> idk I've just been super blackpilled recently about the industry as a whole lately 2021-03-11T06:39:40 #kisslinux <midfavila1> like, it seems as if every major free software project exists either a) to serve some big corp or b) to serve as resume fodder. or both 2021-03-11T06:40:10 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> Unavoidable until the entire chain of command aligns with... dropping IP... 2021-03-11T06:40:22 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> People rarely live well off charity 2021-03-11T06:40:34 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and the few groups who actually care about libre software are too busy bickering about the details of it to actually do anything large-scale 2021-03-11T06:40:43 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and yeah, you're not wrong, IP law is pretty screwed 2021-03-11T06:41:13 #kisslinux * midfavila1 shrugs 2021-03-11T06:41:57 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> Once we start getting things like completely libre hardware / software, we'll be getting somewhere 2021-03-11T06:41:57 #kisslinux <midfavila1> everything's about working to consume and consuming to work. just pleasing your corporate overlords day in and day out. 's depressing shit to think about 2021-03-11T06:42:31 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> developing circuit printers would be a neat circunvention 2021-03-11T06:42:34 #kisslinux <midfavila1> hopefully RISC-V desktops will be a thing sooner rather than later. that or POWER9 will become affordable 2021-03-11T06:42:54 #kisslinux <midfavila1> as much as I'd like to support Raptor, I can't afford to shell out the price of a small car for a computer 2021-03-11T06:43:16 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> the real cost of freedom 2021-03-11T06:43:26 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but even then, like... 2021-03-11T06:43:36 #kisslinux <midfavila1> libre hardware and software is the ideal and all 2021-03-11T06:43:46 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but... what're you gonna do with it, at the end of the day? 2021-03-11T06:43:49 #kisslinux <midfavila1> everything is still shit 2021-03-11T06:44:09 #kisslinux <midfavila1> not having to deal with the ME or PSP is great but it doesn't change that 2021-03-11T06:44:29 #kisslinux <midfavila1> real r/im14andverysmart hours 2021-03-11T06:45:47 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> Computing gains are usually minimal, so is perception, but it's there 2021-03-11T06:46:55 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> maybe someday we'll be able to fool ourselves without being 'carefully misplaced' 2021-03-11T06:47:21 #kisslinux <midfavila1> Maybe. 2021-03-11T06:49:59 #kisslinux <midfavila1> http://0x0.st/-ZSk.jpg 2021-03-11T06:50:06 #kisslinux <midfavila1> this is an extremely "mood" image 2021-03-11T06:53:12 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> lovely tower caging 2021-03-11T08:18:45 #kisslinux <travankor> what about ARM? 2021-03-11T08:19:10 #kisslinux <travankor> as long as it works on mainline linux 2021-03-11T08:21:43 #kisslinux <travankor> every major free software project exists either a) to serve some big corp or b) to serve as resume fodder. or both -> this is why even though GNU is absolute b l o a t, I still respect them 2021-03-11T08:45:43 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> i feel like dropping computers all the time for months at least midfavila1 2021-03-11T08:46:27 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> everything is truly pile of trash and the fact that I still hadn't really dropped it makes the matter worse forme 2021-03-11T08:52:38 #kisslinux <travankor> that's what dylan probably did 2021-03-11T08:53:08 #kisslinux <travankor> realized that KISS doesn't really fix all the rest of the trash and decided to go full ascetic 2021-03-11T08:53:14 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> hope you're right. that would be really great 2021-03-11T08:54:12 #kisslinux <travankor> hope is all I have 2021-03-11T11:12:47 #kisslinux <merakor> acheam: Weechat in Emacs? Excuse me? 2021-03-11T11:16:47 #kisslinux <merakor> Alright, I found it on Github. Why though? Emacs has built-in IRC client, why use a wrapper to use an IRC client outside of Emacs? I am genuinely curious. 2021-03-11T11:20:48 #kisslinux <gtms> kj:q 2021-03-11T11:20:57 #kisslinux <gtms> ehm... 2021-03-11T11:27:57 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> <ncopa> [10:18:21] python 3.9 is giving me a hard time 2021-03-11T11:28:13 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> alpine guys work since weeks to switch to latest python3 2021-03-11T11:28:43 #kisslinux * sh4rm4^bnc pats his py2 2021-03-11T11:36:09 #kisslinux <travankor> just disable tests :p 2021-03-11T11:38:38 #kisslinux <travankor> merakor: emacs keybindings? 2021-03-11T11:39:10 #kisslinux <travankor> also emacs has meme-tier ssl support 2021-03-11T11:41:53 #kisslinux <travankor> damn this channel is deadish without midfavila1 2021-03-11T11:44:52 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> lots of people lurking 2021-03-11T11:46:06 #kisslinux <konimex> <travankor "every major free software projec"> aren't a lot of GNU contributors (incl. gcc, glibc, etc.) Red Hat employees? 2021-03-11T11:47:55 #kisslinux <travankor> konimex: that's partially true 2021-03-11T11:48:48 #kisslinux <travankor> so far, those maintainers haven't tried to pull anything controversial afaik 2021-03-11T11:49:50 #kisslinux <travankor> Emacs has had some controversial stuff recently but everthing dumb has been vetoed so far 2021-03-11T11:50:30 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I suppose there's no responce to emacs anymore because at this point I just have nothing to say lol 2021-03-11T11:51:16 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=HzFqZ0Gl0aw 2021-03-11T11:52:54 #kisslinux <konimex> the "controversial stuff" is outside GNU ecosystem (e.g. systemd), but it effectively causes GNU lock-in (as without patches maintained by Yocto Project iirc, musl-based system can't build systemd) 2021-03-11T11:55:34 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I'd say everything is controversial if you look close enough 2021-03-11T11:58:23 #kisslinux <travankor> nice, i see something new in every emacs video 2021-03-11T11:58:43 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> the only thing I still yet to see is spacemacs 2021-03-11T11:59:18 #kisslinux <travankor> spacemacs is like oh my zsh 2021-03-11T12:00:06 #kisslinux <travankor> large and difficult to maintain framework, with some package conflicting, and difficult to debug 2021-03-11T12:02:31 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> another video. this guy is using doom emacs even on his phone 2021-03-11T12:15:59 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> videos about emacs is so cringe and bizzare. using vim to copy emacs config because you don't know stock functionality as spacemacs/doom user lol 2021-03-11T12:19:11 #kisslinux <travankor> xp 2021-03-11T12:19:37 #kisslinux <travankor> doom uses evil by default 2021-03-11T12:19:51 #kisslinux <travankor> so vim-keybindings 2021-03-11T12:21:35 #kisslinux <acheam> merakor: it acts as a client to weechat's relay mode 2021-03-11T12:21:46 #kisslinux <acheam> its the same way that the android app and stuff work 2021-03-11T12:21:58 #kisslinux <acheam> (and how I'm sending this message) 2021-03-11T12:22:57 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah nxghtmvrx, im really not a fan of frameworks for that reason 2021-03-11T12:23:07 #kisslinux <acheam> I'm just building my own config from scratch 2021-03-11T12:23:16 #kisslinux <acheam> which is a lot more work but worth it imo 2021-03-11T12:25:50 #kisslinux * travankor wishes programs just had sane defaults 2021-03-11T12:27:00 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> "emacs runit service" 2021-03-11T12:27:48 #kisslinux <merakor> konimex: I always assumed non-GNU people usually dislike stuff like systemd, and that's why nobody resolves those GNU lock-ins. 2021-03-11T12:28:41 #kisslinux <merakor> acheam: Yeah that makes sense 2021-03-11T12:28:45 #kisslinux <konimex> merakor: personally I really don't mind systemd strictly as a service manager, I don't like the stuff they add into it though 2021-03-11T12:29:14 #kisslinux <konimex> such as homed and networkd among other things 2021-03-11T12:30:13 #kisslinux <travankor> systemd isn't related to GNU 2021-03-11T12:30:32 #kisslinux <travankor> nor do i like glibc stuff like LD_PRELOAD 2021-03-11T12:31:23 #kisslinux <merakor> travankor: Yeah, that's not what I meant. It just uses lots of glibcisms. 2021-03-11T12:32:24 #kisslinux <travankor> I think that's a good thing tbg 2021-03-11T12:32:28 #kisslinux <merakor> konimex: That's true I suppose. You shouldn't be proactively thinking about a service manager anyway. 2021-03-11T12:32:34 #kisslinux <travankor> s/tbg/tbh 2021-03-11T12:32:35 #kisslinux <kissbot> <travankor> I think that's a good thing tbh 2021-03-11T12:32:59 #kisslinux <travankor> systemd even if it was portable would be bad 2021-03-11T12:34:17 #kisslinux <travankor> runit, s6, or perp are pretty much all you need for process supervision 2021-03-11T12:34:47 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah, that was my point. Most people don't even try to port it, because people who care about simplicity enough to use something like musl libc probably don't want to have systemd on their system. 2021-03-11T12:35:47 #kisslinux <merakor> Plus, Poettering is actively against portability for some reason 2021-03-11T12:35:59 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> cringe 2021-03-11T12:36:18 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> probably thinks gnu is the standard 2021-03-11T12:36:26 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> TM 2021-03-11T12:36:46 #kisslinux <merakor> He is the guy that thinks Linux should be Windowsy 2021-03-11T12:36:47 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I guess its because he wants linux to be like windows as he wanted from the start 2021-03-11T12:36:49 #kisslinux <merakor> What do you expect 2021-03-11T12:36:50 #kisslinux <travankor> RHEL is the standard 2021-03-11T12:36:55 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> If you put it that way it makes sense 2021-03-11T12:37:58 #kisslinux <merakor> He always talks shit about the Linux environment, I don't even understand why he doesn't use Windows at this point. 2021-03-11T12:38:19 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> That's why suckless turned hostile on him 2021-03-11T12:38:45 #kisslinux <merakor> At least, the Linux environment is great enough that I don't have to care about his opinions, nor his software 2021-03-11T12:39:14 #kisslinux <travankor> POSIX is better :p 2021-03-11T12:39:53 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> https://invidious.zee.li/watch?v=h7bKctz6LMU 2021-03-11T12:40:17 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Poettering's pulseaudio thingy seems to be in a speedy demise, with pipewire instead taking it's place. 2021-03-11T12:41:47 #kisslinux <konimex> to be fair I think out of all poetteringware, pulseaudio is decent enough (at least for my use case) 2021-03-11T12:42:49 #kisslinux <acheam> pulseaudio is fine in theory but it shouldn't be a dependency for so many things as it is now 2021-03-11T12:42:50 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Well sadly alsa by itself isnt really possible to use due to lacks of docs because of an age and etc. So you can't really configure alsa as much as PA 2021-03-11T12:43:45 #kisslinux <merakor> Alsa is really fine by itself if you have simple needs 2021-03-11T12:44:16 #kisslinux <merakor> But it cannot handle the second thing you throw at it 2021-03-11T12:44:41 #kisslinux <merakor> So, pulseaudio has a really valid use-case, but it isn't a must 2021-03-11T12:45:26 #kisslinux <acheam> for 90% of people, something simpler like sndio will work through 2021-03-11T12:45:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> real KISS users don't need audio 2021-03-11T12:45:47 #kisslinux <necromansy> psh 2021-03-11T12:45:51 #kisslinux <necromansy> i like my music thanks 2021-03-11T12:46:01 #kisslinux <merakor> Just hum the song 2021-03-11T12:46:08 #kisslinux <merakor> That isn't simple enough? 2021-03-11T12:46:12 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> cringe 2021-03-11T12:46:14 #kisslinux <acheam> a sound server has its place, but that sound server doesn't necesarily have to be pa 2021-03-11T12:47:02 #kisslinux <merakor> Idk I think pulse is okay 2021-03-11T12:47:12 #kisslinux <konimex> hear hear 2021-03-11T12:49:16 #kisslinux <soliwilos> One the purism guys working on the sound in their librem5 mobile said something along the lines of "not getting pulseaudio to do what he wants". 2021-03-11T12:49:56 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Though, that's probably a particular use case. 2021-03-11T13:40:56 #kisslinux <aarng> merakor: saw your old nvi package and was wondering if you are using nvi at all 2021-03-11T15:04:16 #kisslinux <merakor> aarng: Yes, I am using nvi, but just as an alternative editor outside of Emacs 2021-03-11T15:05:35 #kisslinux <merakor> I use nvi for the small, quick editing. 2021-03-11T15:05:52 #kisslinux <aarng> does yours segfault when you press escape from input mode in the history editor? 2021-03-11T15:06:26 #kisslinux <aarng> trying to figure out why it's not segfaulting on my rpi using alpine 2021-03-11T15:06:53 #kisslinux <merakor> I never used the history editor, let me try it out. 2021-03-11T15:07:01 #kisslinux <aarng> set filec=^[ <-- Ctrl-v Ctr-[ 2021-03-11T15:07:16 #kisslinux <aarng> s/filec/cedit/ 2021-03-11T15:07:17 #kisslinux <kissbot> <aarng> set cedit=^[ <-- Ctrl-v Ctr-[ 2021-03-11T15:09:17 #kisslinux <merakor> No, it doesn't segfault on my build. 2021-03-11T15:09:53 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> check cflags maybe 2021-03-11T15:10:24 #kisslinux <aarng> I tried with just march=native 2021-03-11T15:10:27 #kisslinux <aarng> same thing 2021-03-11T15:10:47 #kisslinux <merakor> Mine is static x86_64 2021-03-11T15:10:58 #kisslinux <aarng> merakor, so you press :, then escape which opens a split window. If you then go into input mode and press escape, it does not segfault? 2021-03-11T15:10:59 #kisslinux <merakor> I can straight up send it to you if you want to try my build 2021-03-11T15:11:15 #kisslinux <merakor> aarng: Yup 2021-03-11T15:11:23 #kisslinux <aarng> I'm using your build 2021-03-11T15:11:25 #kisslinux <aarng> weird 2021-03-11T15:11:32 #kisslinux <aarng> do you have --enable-widechar ? 2021-03-11T15:11:43 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah 2021-03-11T15:11:46 #kisslinux <aarng> yes pls, just send me the binary 2021-03-11T15:12:54 #kisslinux <merakor> aarng: https://ckyln.com/files/vi 2021-03-11T15:13:13 #kisslinux <aarng> cheers! 2021-03-11T15:13:20 #kisslinux <merakor> Hope it works! 2021-03-11T15:13:46 #kisslinux <aarng> it does not :/ 2021-03-11T15:13:58 #kisslinux <merakor> Oh, that's strange 2021-03-11T15:14:00 #kisslinux <aarng> I mean it segfaults too 2021-03-11T15:14:11 #kisslinux <merakor> What terminal do you use? 2021-03-11T15:14:29 #kisslinux <aarng> st 2021-03-11T15:14:40 #kisslinux <aarng> inside tmux though 2021-03-11T15:14:41 #kisslinux <aarng> hold on 2021-03-11T15:14:44 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> that's most likely the problem 2021-03-11T15:14:51 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> try changing term 2021-03-11T15:15:03 #kisslinux <merakor> I am using st as well, though 2021-03-11T15:15:21 #kisslinux <merakor> So it's probably not related 2021-03-11T15:15:25 #kisslinux <merakor> Not sure about tmux 2021-03-11T15:16:10 #kisslinux <aarng> segfaults no matter what I do 2021-03-11T15:16:19 #kisslinux <aarng> with or without tmux and using TERM=xterm 2021-03-11T15:16:42 #kisslinux <aarng> I used to simply disable the widechar configure option but that kinda sucks too 2021-03-11T15:17:17 #kisslinux <merakor> Oh wait, yeah mine segfaults too 2021-03-11T15:17:24 #kisslinux <aarng> aha! 2021-03-11T15:17:26 #kisslinux <merakor> I misunderstood the steps 2021-03-11T15:17:36 #kisslinux <aarng> hehe, no problem 2021-03-11T15:17:39 #kisslinux <merakor> I just pressed : and escape instead of :, escape 2021-03-11T15:19:20 #kisslinux <aarng> I could have explained a little better I guess 2021-03-11T15:20:00 #kisslinux <aarng> I checked alpines build file and they don't do anything different 2021-03-11T15:20:11 #kisslinux <merakor> That's alright, I never used the history editor in my life so I was kind of confused :D 2021-03-11T15:20:12 #kisslinux <aarng> except not statically linking db I guess 2021-03-11T15:20:16 #kisslinux <merakor> Maybe linking statically 2021-03-11T15:20:17 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah 2021-03-11T15:20:51 #kisslinux <merakor> I'll try not doing that. 2021-03-11T15:21:15 #kisslinux <aarng> that'd be awesome 2021-03-11T15:21:28 #kisslinux <aarng> I suck at building software 2021-03-11T15:21:57 #kisslinux <aarng> https://github.com/alpinelinux/aports/blob/57f848d37b3a369c3cf8a8b89ce0e34cf7eb9389/testing/nvi/APKBUILD 2021-03-11T15:22:30 #kisslinux <aarng> that's the alpine package. Sucks that I can't test it on x86-64 2021-03-11T15:22:57 #kisslinux <aarng> biab 2021-03-11T15:23:25 #kisslinux <konimex> that's a lot of patches 2021-03-11T15:23:42 #kisslinux <merakor> Nope, it still segfaults 2021-03-11T15:25:57 #kisslinux <merakor> konimex: Yeah, ancient software 2021-03-11T15:30:21 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> gimme a sec. ill try on void 2021-03-11T15:31:54 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> spammed lots of times and no crash. but maybe Im doing something wrong 2021-03-11T15:35:53 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> there are multiple patches in void-packages 2021-03-11T15:38:28 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> maybe fallback to dumb term will do https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/tree/df7ebc36a9ffb208a0d60da58a98a2c4936b1735/srcpkgs/nvi/patches 2021-03-11T15:39:27 #kisslinux <merakor> All the patches should also be on my package 2021-03-11T15:40:58 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> though none of those specified in void build file 2021-03-11T15:41:36 #kisslinux <merakor> Void build system doesn't do that in general 2021-03-11T15:41:57 #kisslinux <merakor> It just uses available patches 2021-03-11T15:43:10 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> never read the docs on that but there are templates with specified patches so not sure 2021-03-11T15:47:38 #kisslinux <aarng> nxghtmvrx: https://termbin.com/a074 2021-03-11T15:47:48 #kisslinux <aarng> detailed repro instructions 2021-03-11T15:50:24 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> no crash lol 2021-03-11T15:50:37 #kisslinux <aarng> interesting 2021-03-11T15:51:29 #kisslinux <aarng> void uses --enable-widechar too 2021-03-11T15:55:04 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> more interestingly using shared binary no crash too 2021-03-11T15:55:37 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> dilyn my dear friend 2021-03-11T15:55:49 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> you ever tested the shinit? 2021-03-11T15:55:52 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> ah yes now crashed on your binary. but still not on void build 2021-03-11T15:58:36 #kisslinux <aarng> yeah, I'm out of ideas :/ 2021-03-11T15:58:56 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> i can share my binary if needed 2021-03-11T15:59:58 #kisslinux <merakor> hellboy2d: Is there a problem with shinit? 2021-03-11T16:00:03 #kisslinux <aarng> I can also steal it from void directly I guess 2021-03-11T16:00:24 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> man i used kiss a but when i do restart the tty login not appears 2021-03-11T16:00:26 #kisslinux <aarng> but I also want to (re)package nvi for kiss and it sucks when it has bugs like that 2021-03-11T16:00:33 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I have to make a script for it? 2021-03-11T16:01:51 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah, you should create a hook script 2021-03-11T16:02:07 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> well your only hope is to copy void build by hand with all the patches 2021-03-11T16:02:43 #kisslinux <merakor> shinit only runs the init script of KISS, which in turns runs hooks from /etc/rc.d (correct me if I am wrong) 2021-03-11T16:03:03 #kisslinux <aarng> nxghtmvrx: I will try that later but I don't think they do anything different 2021-03-11T16:03:38 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> dependency is the same too? 2021-03-11T16:04:38 #kisslinux <aarng> need to compare ncurses' 2021-03-11T16:05:54 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> okay thanks 2021-03-11T16:06:13 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> you have some link about it? i never used to do it 2021-03-11T16:08:20 #kisslinux <merakor> Unfortunately KISS' init scripts aren't well documented. This is the only doc-like thing I could find. https://github.com/kisslinux/init/raw/master/etc/rc.conf 2021-03-11T16:08:28 #kisslinux <merakor> It is /etc/rc.conf on your system 2021-03-11T16:09:00 #kisslinux <merakor> Basically you add a script named /etc/rc.d/tty.boot 2021-03-11T16:09:12 #kisslinux <merakor> Which will be run by the init scripts 2021-03-11T16:18:38 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> http://k1sslinux.org/wiki/init/busybox gives an example 2021-03-11T16:22:31 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> thanks guys i will read 2021-03-11T16:25:12 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> if your'e still using the default init then /etc/inittab should have some lines similar to "tty1::respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1" 2021-03-11T16:41:08 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> any experiences with epoch init? 2021-03-11T16:42:23 #kisslinux <merakor> Isn't epoch basically systemd-lite? 2021-03-11T16:45:35 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> its not exactly minimal >10k loc. just interested in specifics in case it does something differently and its possible quirks 2021-03-11T16:52:31 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> so I guess there only five inits that make any sense: s6, runit, kiss init, sinit, hummingbird 2021-03-11T17:30:24 #kisslinux <dgre> five senses five inits 2021-03-11T17:32:44 #kisslinux <aws> Hello 2021-03-11T17:33:02 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi 2021-03-11T17:33:04 #kisslinux <aws> any news on Dylan ? 2021-03-11T17:33:09 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> no 2021-03-11T17:33:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> :'( 2021-03-11T17:38:47 #kisslinux <aws> ;-; 2021-03-11T18:02:00 #kisslinux <acheam> aws: we do have a new BDFL though, and the project is proceeding just fine 2021-03-11T18:05:25 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> anyone uses ubase? 2021-03-11T18:05:38 #kisslinux <kiedtl> hellboy2d: midfavila1 uses sbase, not sure about ubase 2021-03-11T18:19:12 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> what's the point if asmutils exists 2021-03-11T18:23:41 #kisslinux <merakor> nxghtmvrx: kiss init is not an init, it is an init _script_ that is run by the actual init 2021-03-11T18:24:23 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> sbase is a easy implemantion in kiss? 2021-03-11T18:24:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> it should mostly work 2021-03-11T18:24:51 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> i loved the kiss a 2021-03-11T18:24:51 #kisslinux <merakor> I use sbase 2021-03-11T18:24:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> kiss b sbase && kiss i sbase && kiss a | rep ^sbase | kiss a - 2021-03-11T18:25:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> s/rep/grep/ 2021-03-11T18:25:03 #kisslinux <kissbot> <dilyn> kiss b sbase && kiss i sbase && kiss a | grep ^sbase | kiss a - 2021-03-11T18:25:28 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> this is better than the busybox? 2021-03-11T18:25:33 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> in question of size 2021-03-11T18:25:34 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> speec 2021-03-11T18:25:38 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> speed* 2021-03-11T18:25:53 #kisslinux <merakor> Size: yes, speed: no 2021-03-11T18:25:56 #kisslinux <kiedtl> speed isn't a goal, hellboy2d 2021-03-11T18:25:59 #kisslinux <kiedtl> simplicity is. 2021-03-11T18:26:20 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> good 2021-03-11T18:26:30 #kisslinux <kiedtl> busybox does do some work on speed though afaik 2021-03-11T18:26:49 #kisslinux <merakor> I use sed and grep from busybox 2021-03-11T18:27:12 #kisslinux <merakor> I removed sbase tar completely from the packaging on Carbs 2021-03-11T18:27:16 #kisslinux <merakor> It's just a no-go 2021-03-11T18:27:24 #kisslinux <merakor> Even Michael says so 2021-03-11T18:27:27 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> oh carbs 2021-03-11T18:27:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> libarchive is the way 2021-03-11T18:27:34 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I read about 2021-03-11T18:27:43 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> is it in work? 2021-03-11T18:27:51 #kisslinux <merakor> dilyn: pax is the way :P 2021-03-11T18:28:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> :sick: 2021-03-11T18:28:05 #kisslinux <merakor> hellboy2d: It has been for two years 2021-03-11T18:28:13 #kisslinux <merakor> pax is actually faster than libarchive 2021-03-11T18:28:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> sh 2021-03-11T18:28:31 #kisslinux <merakor> cpt prefers pax if it exists 2021-03-11T18:28:45 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> carbs actually works? 2021-03-11T18:28:49 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> i thinking in test 2021-03-11T18:29:00 #kisslinux <merakor> Why wouldn't it? :D 2021-03-11T18:29:22 #kisslinux <acheam> lol 2021-03-11T18:29:40 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> but o read and found no much differences compared to kiss 2021-03-11T18:30:01 #kisslinux <acheam> hellboy2d: you've only been here 2 days and you're already in our fortune file twice 2021-03-11T18:30:16 #kisslinux <merakor> The package manager is different, and the base packages are somewhat different 2021-03-11T18:30:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmfao 2021-03-11T18:30:28 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> lol 2021-03-11T18:31:07 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> merakor yeah i view that carbs use bearssl 2021-03-11T18:31:24 #kisslinux <merakor> Gotta go for now, I can answer if you have any more questions later 2021-03-11T18:31:27 #kisslinux <merakor> hellboy2d: yep 2021-03-11T18:31:34 #kisslinux <merakor> bye everyone 2021-03-11T18:31:38 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> bye man 2021-03-11T18:31:42 #kisslinux <acheam> see ya merakor 2021-03-11T18:31:45 #kisslinux <acheam> merakor2: is this anything? 2021-03-11T18:32:00 #kisslinux <acheam> matrix or smthng? 2021-03-11T18:37:45 #kisslinux <acheam> matrix or smthng? 2021-03-11T18:37:51 #kisslinux <acheam> whoops 2021-03-11T18:39:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl> anyone know if it's possible to 'reload' fonts in, say, xterm? 2021-03-11T18:41:00 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Huh, what's this Tek window thing? 2021-03-11T18:41:10 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ahh 2021-03-11T18:41:12 #kisslinux <kiedtl> help 2021-03-11T18:41:22 #kisslinux <midfavila1> oh, Tek window 2021-03-11T18:41:22 #kisslinux <kiedtl> jj 2021-03-11T18:41:24 #kisslinux <kiedtl> j 2021-03-11T18:41:27 #kisslinux <kiedtl> wtf 2021-03-11T18:41:27 #kisslinux <midfavila1> someone's experimenting with xterm i c 2021-03-11T18:41:38 #kisslinux <midfavila1> the manual page probably has information on it 2021-03-11T18:41:52 #kisslinux <midfavila1> you're going to come across a lot of vestigial stuff in XTerm because of its age 2021-03-11T18:42:00 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i should write a stripped-down XTerm... 2021-03-11T18:42:15 #kisslinux <midfavila1> anyway just fyi I do use ubase, as well as sbase 2021-03-11T18:42:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> so using lz4 -1, my vim package compresses in .2s compared to xz -zT 0's 13s, but is twice as big 2021-03-11T18:42:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> hm :2021-03-11T18:42:27 #kisslinux <kiedtl> well... 2021-03-11T18:42:29 #kisslinux <midfavila1> there are some utilities in my repo to supplement it 2021-03-11T18:42:55 #kisslinux <midfavila1> travankor that's what I get paid for 2021-03-11T18:43:02 #kisslinux <midfavila1> re: keeping channel not-deadish 2021-03-11T18:43:48 #kisslinux <midfavila1> anyway good morning everyone 2021-03-11T18:44:08 #kisslinux <kiedtl> good morning :^) 2021-03-11T18:44:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> hallo 2021-03-11T18:44:50 #kisslinux <midfavila1> well, "morning" 2021-03-11T18:44:53 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it's 1445 2021-03-11T18:45:01 #kisslinux <midfavila1> so more like afternoon 2021-03-11T18:45:07 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but what's half a day between friends amirite 2021-03-11T18:45:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> EST gang 2021-03-11T18:45:44 #kisslinux <midfavila1> AST* 2021-03-11T18:45:59 #kisslinux <midfavila1> obscure time zone gang 2021-03-11T18:48:26 #kisslinux <midfavila1> should I have rice and beef or hamburgers for breakfast 2021-03-11T18:48:29 #kisslinux <midfavila1> vote now on your phones 2021-03-11T18:48:43 #kisslinux <kiedtl> rice and beef, definitely 2021-03-11T18:48:56 #kisslinux <kiedtl> re morning, it's always morning when one joins 2021-03-11T18:49:06 #kisslinux <kiedtl> and evening when they leave 2021-03-11T18:49:09 #kisslinux <midfavila1> "morning" is the time period before breakfast 2021-03-11T18:49:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> mourning* 2021-03-11T18:49:18 #kisslinux <kiedtl> coordinated irc time 2021-03-11T18:49:29 #kisslinux <midfavila1> unironically use .beats 2021-03-11T18:50:01 #kisslinux <midfavila1> also if it's IRC wouldn't it be uncoordinated? 2021-03-11T18:50:26 #kisslinux <kiedtl> why? 2021-03-11T18:50:55 #kisslinux <midfavila1> something-something-no-central-authority 2021-03-11T18:51:10 #kisslinux <midfavila1> idk man I'm just trying to suppress my existential dread through shitposting 2021-03-11T18:51:56 #kisslinux <kiedtl> heh 2021-03-11T18:51:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> Is this my college career? 2021-03-11T18:52:19 #kisslinux <midfavila1> "I'm in this and I don't like it" 2021-03-11T18:52:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> "I'm in this and I don't want to be" 2021-03-11T18:52:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> "existence is pain" 2021-03-11T18:52:52 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i didn't even bother going to class today 2021-03-11T18:52:56 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i'm just going to read K&R 2021-03-11T18:53:08 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and, like, idk 2021-03-11T18:53:13 #kisslinux <midfavila1> rewatch Lain for the fifth time 2021-03-11T18:56:33 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i need to play through that PS1 game they released 2021-03-11T19:06:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> zstd might just be strictly the best compressor for packages wow 2021-03-11T19:06:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> compresses a linux pkg in .75s compard to gzip's 2.34s, and they're almost identical sizes 2021-03-11T19:08:02 #kisslinux <midfavila1> sure but it's non-standard 2021-03-11T19:08:03 #kisslinux <midfavila1> so 2021-03-11T19:20:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> but it's so good 2021-03-11T19:20:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's also facebook tech 2021-03-11T19:20:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least afaik 2021-03-11T19:25:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> mmhmm 2021-03-11T19:25:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> along with glorious btrfs 2021-03-11T19:27:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> Wait, is btrfs developed by facebook? I don't think it is 2021-03-11T19:27:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm pretty sure they do most of the development work because they use it internally 2021-03-11T19:27:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> Well, good thing I don't use btrfs 2021-03-11T19:28:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol 2021-03-11T19:28:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> rn I just use ext but I've been considering using f2fs 2021-03-11T19:28:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> need to look into it more 2021-03-11T19:29:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> zfs is the way 2021-03-11T19:29:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> "just use z- 2021-03-11T19:29:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> I KNEW IT 2021-03-11T19:29:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> zfs is bloat 2021-03-11T19:29:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> i don't think that's true :P 2021-03-11T19:29:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> good thing we're allowed to disagree 2021-03-11T19:30:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol 2021-03-11T19:30:33 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> There's no disagreement with me. I just tend to murder people 2021-03-11T19:30:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> f 2021-03-11T19:30:52 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Happens somehow out of my control 2021-03-11T19:30:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> if only HAMMER was available on loonix 2021-03-11T19:31:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> 'yet another nxghtmvrx detractor has mysteriously fallen out yet another window after shooting themselves twice in the back of the head' 2021-03-11T19:33:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh boy there's gonna be a new ReiserFS guise 2021-03-11T19:33:34 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> if kiss init isn't init then what's the default thing? busybox init? 2021-03-11T19:33:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> bbox 2021-03-11T19:33:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> by some guy who didn't murder his wife? 2021-03-11T19:33:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> kiss-init is just the init scripts 2021-03-11T19:33:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> and yeah it's not by hans reiser 2021-03-11T19:33:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> the chad 2021-03-11T19:34:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> only second to the dude who made debian 2021-03-11T19:34:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> didn't he die in a drugged-out shootout against police or something? lmao 2021-03-11T19:34:50 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> What a great way to die tho 2021-03-11T19:34:59 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I should practice it someday 2021-03-11T19:35:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> certainly meme-worthy 2021-03-11T19:42:38 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Still somehow getting confused by the difference between sbase and ubase somehow even if I need them both 2021-03-11T19:42:48 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> any experiences with asmutils? 2021-03-11T19:43:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> iirc sbase is linux-specific utils and ubase is general unix utils 2021-03-11T19:43:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> and if you intend to use a suckless userspace you do need both, yes 2021-03-11T19:43:27 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> yeah I just look at files every time lol 2021-03-11T19:43:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> i recommend supplementing suckless coreutils with libarchive for tar and gnugrep for grep 2021-03-11T19:43:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've also got standalone bc, less, etc implementations in my repo if you need those 2021-03-11T19:45:09 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I'll look into it. Thanks for the info 2021-03-11T19:45:28 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Though want to try asmutils first 2021-03-11T19:45:54 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> http://asm.sourceforge.net/asmutils.html 2021-03-11T19:45:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> Yeah, I saw those 2021-03-11T19:46:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> Haven't they been unmaintained for like sixteen years though? 2021-03-11T19:47:30 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> yeah 0.18 release was in 2006 2021-03-11T19:47:57 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> but if it still works I don't see a problem 2021-03-11T19:48:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> well obvs 2021-03-11T19:49:04 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I think this is the smallest possible practical implementation 2021-03-11T19:49:17 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> considering asm 2021-03-11T19:57:21 #kisslinux <E5ten> midfavila: iirc other way around, sbase is unix utils, ubase is linux specific 2021-03-11T20:00:51 #kisslinux <merakor> acheam: yup merakor2 is matrix 2021-03-11T20:01:43 #kisslinux <merakor> E5ten: Yes ubase is "unportable base" i.e. util-linux replacement 2021-03-11T20:02:50 #kisslinux <merakor> sbase is a collection of standard POSIX utilities 2021-03-11T20:04:07 #kisslinux <merakor> There are some exceptions as well, such as tar(1) and install(1) which aren't defined by POSIX, but are widespread 2021-03-11T20:05:33 #kisslinux <merakor> midfavila: Which ed implementation do you use? sbase or GNU? 2021-03-11T20:10:21 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> IMO rn is the "golden age" of desktop linux. There wasn't that much of opportunity to deal or tinker with things before. New minimal programs being written and etc. Before it was small circle close to suckless and their friends 2021-03-11T20:11:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> :o zstd can replace xz 2021-03-11T20:12:00 #kisslinux <merakor> Before facebook haters show up, I must say that zstd is pretty good 2021-03-11T20:12:12 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> lol 2021-03-11T20:13:00 #kisslinux <merakor> It is really fast and really small in size compared to all the alternatives 2021-03-11T20:13:14 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I mean it licensed as open source so there's no problem. All sorts of shitty corpos behind gnu and kernel too 2021-03-11T20:13:24 #kisslinux <merakor> nxghtmvrx: Exactly 2021-03-11T20:13:34 #kisslinux <kiedtl> is btrfs licensed as open source? 2021-03-11T20:13:47 #kisslinux <merakor> I fucking hate facebook, but like, good free software is good free software 2021-03-11T20:13:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> gpl 2021-03-11T20:14:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's why it's in the kernel :P 2021-03-11T20:14:29 #kisslinux * merakor cries in zfs 2021-03-11T20:14:34 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> sources does not smell so who cares lol. it can't reek of facebook 2021-03-11T20:14:52 #kisslinux <kiedtl> but--but all source is political by default !! 2021-03-11T20:14:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> I've heard you can *whispers* build it into the kernel tho 2021-03-11T20:15:11 #kisslinux <merakor> dilyn: I already do that 2021-03-11T20:15:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> don't say it so loudly! 2021-03-11T20:15:28 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> If I was so stupidly political I'd quit out of the window as I had nothing to do in my life anymore 2021-03-11T20:15:34 #kisslinux <merakor> Oops that's true 2021-03-11T20:15:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> speaking of stupid shit 2021-03-11T20:15:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> my stove 2021-03-11T20:15:44 #kisslinux <merakor> We definitely don't like zfs 2021-03-11T20:16:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> the legends on the knobs have been rubbed off because of the cheap application method that was used, and the heating elements are fucking impossible to put back in after cleaning 2021-03-11T20:16:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> a shame i can't call zstd with xz built in BSD 3 clause :'( 2021-03-11T20:16:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I'm about ready to call my landlord and have them come do this shit 2021-03-11T20:17:05 #kisslinux <merakor> I read landlord as wayland for a second 2021-03-11T20:17:13 #kisslinux <merakor> My brain is rotted 2021-03-11T20:17:25 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol 2021-03-11T20:17:31 #kisslinux <kiedtl> private ownership is xorg, then? 2021-03-11T20:17:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> xorg is going to live innawoods 2021-03-11T20:17:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> seize the means of window rendering 2021-03-11T20:18:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yeah I never thought re-inserting heating elements could be such a difficult task 2021-03-11T20:18:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> not like I haven't cleaned ovens and shit before either 2021-03-11T20:18:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> this one is just... really, really clunky 2021-03-11T20:19:24 #kisslinux <merakor> midfavila: Call ddevault 2021-03-11T20:19:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> "can you install wayland on my stove thanks" 2021-03-11T20:20:58 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> duh this nonsense again. just use framebuffer https://github.com/caramelli/higfxback 2021-03-11T20:21:11 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> xorg and wayland is bloat 2021-03-11T20:21:48 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> mtm/tmux is my wm 2021-03-11T20:22:03 #kisslinux <merakor> Emacs is my wm 2021-03-11T20:22:18 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> true. its framebuffer too 2021-03-11T20:22:41 #kisslinux <merakor> NO? https://github.com/ch11ng/exwm 2021-03-11T20:23:03 #kisslinux <merakor> Emacs can literally be used as a X11 window manager 2021-03-11T20:23:13 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> yeah but I don't think emacs framebuffer works without X/wayland 2021-03-11T20:23:13 #kisslinux <acheam> exwm 2021-03-11T20:23:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> it needs to be stopped 2021-03-11T20:23:27 #kisslinux <merakor> I unironically used it for a month, it's fine 2021-03-11T20:23:32 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> but its the only wm that can be used both with xorg and wayland 2021-03-11T20:23:32 #kisslinux <merakor> I just can't stop using dwm 2021-03-11T20:24:16 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> there's dwm-like multiplexer for terminal 2021-03-11T20:24:16 #kisslinux <merakor> exwm only works on X11. The window management of Emacs in general works everywhere, similar to tmux 2021-03-11T20:24:43 #kisslinux <merakor> Yup, dvtm 2021-03-11T20:25:07 #kisslinux <merakor> I also used it, not really as good as the actual window manager. 2021-03-11T20:25:19 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I love dwm too but sacrifices must be made to keep my packages as low as possibe just because I want so 2021-03-11T20:25:52 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> like 25 packages turns to 80+ just because you install xorg trash 2021-03-11T20:26:07 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> its just dumb 2021-03-11T20:26:17 #kisslinux <merakor> cpt-list | wc -l 2021-03-11T20:26:18 #kisslinux <merakor> 422 2021-03-11T20:26:29 #kisslinux * merakor shrugs 2021-03-11T20:26:54 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> my stupid purism will kill me someday I swear 2021-03-11T20:26:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> hngng; 2021-03-11T20:27:09 #kisslinux <merakor> I used to care too much about package counts as well 2021-03-11T20:27:29 #kisslinux <merakor> Eh, I purge some of them twice a year now 2021-03-11T20:27:37 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> At the end of the day who cares if you can get your stuff done 2021-03-11T20:27:43 #kisslinux <merakor> Exactly 2021-03-11T20:27:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> what if my stuff that i need to get done IS purging 2021-03-11T20:28:36 #kisslinux <merakor> Please don't make me check my agenda, I don't even do stuff that I need to do 2021-03-11T20:28:41 #kisslinux <merakor> I just lie to myself 2021-03-11T20:28:58 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I just spam kiss-reset nonstop 2021-03-11T20:29:14 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> welcome to the club merakor 2021-03-11T20:29:49 #kisslinux <merakor> I just look at repology every morning, update packages, and just spam ideas that I don't even get to complete. 2021-03-11T20:30:09 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Same 2021-03-11T20:30:35 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Theres directory called guides similar to mayfrost stuff that always in raw state 2021-03-11T20:30:41 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I just keep adding new files 2021-03-11T20:32:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay so 2021-03-11T20:32:34 #kisslinux <merakor> I have a project directory and like 90% of it is unpublished half-written programs because I had another idea while writing that given program, and MUST TRY THAT OUT. 2021-03-11T20:32:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> update on the stove 2021-03-11T20:32:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> these feel like personal attacks against me 2021-03-11T20:32:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> one of the two burners is now working 2021-03-11T20:32:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I had to remove the top half of the range to actually get at the sockets for the elements 2021-03-11T20:32:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> . _. 2021-03-11T20:33:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> also yes everyone bully the BDFL 2021-03-11T20:33:32 #kisslinux <merakor> midfavila: damn wayland sockets. Did you set XDG_RUNTIME_DIR beforehand? 2021-03-11T20:33:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> imagine thinking I use XDG anything 2021-03-11T20:33:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> smh 2021-03-11T20:34:02 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> why not tho 2021-03-11T20:34:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> you put your configs in .config don't you 2021-03-11T20:34:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> i would put my configs in .config even if it wasn't part of the xdg spec 2021-03-11T20:34:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> suuuuuuurreeee 2021-03-11T20:34:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean, I would 2021-03-11T20:35:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> i just export the location of my configs on a per-program basis 2021-03-11T20:35:07 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs 2021-03-11T20:35:31 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I just symlink everything 2021-03-11T20:35:44 #kisslinux <merakor> If you are exporting location for all your configs, then why shittalk XDG variables? 2021-03-11T20:36:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> i just said I don't use them lmao 2021-03-11T20:36:11 #kisslinux <merakor> I AM ANGRE 2021-03-11T20:36:13 #kisslinux <merakor> USE XDG 2021-03-11T20:36:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's not "shit talk" 2021-03-11T20:36:37 #kisslinux <merakor> Set it 2021-03-11T20:36:37 #kisslinux <merakor> Now 2021-03-11T20:36:40 #kisslinux <merakor> I am shittalking 2021-03-11T20:36:41 #kisslinux <midfavila1> no 2021-03-11T20:36:50 #kisslinux <midfavila1> you aren't my dad 2021-03-11T20:37:10 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Even my dad isn't my dad while he is my dad 2021-03-11T20:37:16 #kisslinux <merakor> oh alright then 2021-03-11T20:41:11 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> So I had a dream today that I've replaced everything in my system with emacs and systemd 2021-03-11T20:41:28 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Sadly they does not include kernel 2021-03-11T20:42:34 #kisslinux <merakor> *clap* systemd-kerneld *clap* 2021-03-11T20:44:49 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I wonder what would be the most fitting kernel for emacs os 2021-03-11T20:45:09 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Gnu hurd is a joke 2021-03-11T20:47:41 #kisslinux <midfavila1> sel4 would be cool 2021-03-11T20:47:47 #kisslinux <midfavila1> formally-proven microkernel 2021-03-11T20:48:31 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> How was called that OS that existed only to start other OSes in it? 2021-03-11T20:48:56 #kisslinux <midfavila1> qubes? 2021-03-11T20:50:01 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Geode or something like that 2021-03-11T20:50:12 #kisslinux <midfavila1> Oh, I think I've heard of that 2021-03-11T20:50:16 #kisslinux <midfavila1> It seemed interesting enough 2021-03-11T20:50:37 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> It was hard to even remember the name lol 2021-03-11T20:50:51 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> So emacs os will work only inside geode 2021-03-11T20:52:09 #kisslinux <merakor> https://termbin.com/yj8c 2021-03-11T20:52:33 #kisslinux <merakor> Oh god oh fuck 2021-03-11T20:52:50 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Terry Davis had a dream about TempleOS and I about EmacsOS. Coincidence? I don't think so 2021-03-11T20:53:01 #kisslinux <midfavila1> poeterring must be stopped 2021-03-11T20:53:05 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> That will be the temple of emacs 2021-03-11T20:53:09 #kisslinux <midfavila1> initiating scorched earth subroutine 2021-03-11T20:53:24 #kisslinux <midfavila1> objective: eliminate red hat. no survivors 2021-03-11T20:53:37 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> lmao Im dying 2021-03-11T20:53:41 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> systemd-kerneld 2021-03-11T20:54:02 #kisslinux <midfavila1> there's a relevant luke smith video one sec 2021-03-11T20:55:21 #kisslinux <merakor> disclaimer: This is a joke, it's not actually poettering 2021-03-11T20:55:26 #kisslinux <merakor> Saying just-in-case 2021-03-11T20:56:02 #kisslinux <midfavila1> https://yewtu.be/watch?v=wgg3pt9in00 2021-03-11T20:56:08 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> now I'm really-really sad 2021-03-11T20:56:17 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I thought systemd-kerneld is a thing 2021-03-11T20:56:28 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Wanted to use it for EmacsOS 2021-03-11T20:58:51 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> boo hiss! 2021-03-11T21:01:53 #kisslinux <midfavila1> bloatOS 2021-03-11T21:02:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh my goodness xz is not gpl if you don't use gnugetopt. what is that even good smdh 2021-03-11T21:04:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> I can't get over the fact that Luke Smith's videos make it look like he lives in a swamp 2021-03-11T21:04:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> and it's just so damn fitting 2021-03-11T21:05:08 #kisslinux <midfavila1> you aren't wrong 2021-03-11T21:05:17 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> is it possible to combine audio and video streams together to watch it with ffplay? 2021-03-11T21:05:34 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I would love to live in a swamp too then 2021-03-11T21:05:46 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Such a nice swamp 2021-03-11T21:07:14 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Awww it was linuxd not kerneld :( 2021-03-11T21:08:27 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Oh yes EmacsOS should use sandboxes. Flatpak goodness 2021-03-11T21:08:38 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> invidious or streaming in general? 2021-03-11T21:09:15 #kisslinux <midfavila1> nxghtmvrx just pull the file using curl or something and pipe it into your media player 2021-03-11T21:09:32 #kisslinux <midfavila1> my media playback script does that 2021-03-11T21:09:44 #kisslinux <midfavila1> works just fine when browsing invidious from links 2021-03-11T21:10:22 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Streaming in general. Is it possible to combine video and audio streams without downloading? Because I tried and don't think so. Asking maybe some of you will prove otherwise 2021-03-11T21:10:51 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i mean, you probably could do something like that 2021-03-11T21:10:58 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but it would be so much easier to just dump it in /tmp 2021-03-11T21:11:04 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and then clean it up after you're done processing 2021-03-11T21:11:23 #kisslinux <midfavila1> if you mean "can I stream it", streaming is just playback while downloading 2021-03-11T21:11:30 #kisslinux <midfavila1> so... 2021-03-11T21:11:37 #kisslinux <midfavila1> one way or another the file is gonna end up on your system 2021-03-11T21:11:41 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> because ffplay does not care about more than single stream even if you use -i 2021-03-11T21:11:49 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> there's z3bra's method: https://blog.z3bra.org/2016/08/desktop-streaming.html, he streams things to a file and then ffplays that file 2021-03-11T21:11:52 #kisslinux <midfavila1> use ffmpeg to combine the two 2021-03-11T21:12:04 #kisslinux <midfavila1> if you're gonna do that just use a FIFO 2021-03-11T21:13:02 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> yeah I know that its easy to combine it after downloading and stuff. Just wanted to know if maybe I was doing something wrong 2021-03-11T21:14:50 #kisslinux <midfavila1> as long as it works and doesn't have glaring flaws 2021-03-11T21:14:51 #kisslinux * midfavila1 shrugs 2021-03-11T21:19:59 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Or I could throw ffmpeg in the window and try other player which can just open youtube videos 2021-03-11T21:20:10 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> s/in/out/ 2021-03-11T21:20:11 #kisslinux <kissbot> <nxghtmvrx> Or I could throw ffmpeg out the window and try other player which can just open youtube videos 2021-03-11T21:20:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao just use invidious dude 2021-03-11T21:20:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> or you can pull it with youtube-dl 2021-03-11T21:20:54 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah but I want to integrate it into my newsboat so I can just watch stuff because I know that it's possible 2021-03-11T21:21:08 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs 2021-03-11T21:24:41 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah everything is shit. Im deprecating EmacsOS and installing windows 10 so I can just click on things and they werks 2021-03-11T21:24:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> that was quick 2021-03-11T21:24:57 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Free computing? Duh! 2021-03-11T21:25:21 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> EmacsOS lifespan was less than a day 2021-03-11T21:25:48 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> We had no kernel but still 2021-03-11T21:29:35 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> youtube-dl + mpv can do youtube videos 2021-03-11T21:30:09 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> thanks for the z3bra blog link but ffserver is deprecated or something. Probably would need RTMPDump 2021-03-11T21:30:37 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah mpv it is then 2021-03-11T21:30:40 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Thanks 2021-03-11T21:31:15 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> So it can combine audio and video streams then? 2021-03-11T21:31:23 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> you don't need ffserver, the part you'd want is ffmpeg to combine the streams and output to some FIFO or file, then ffplay that FIFO 2021-03-11T21:31:50 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> mpv + youtube-dl can do audio-only and can do video+audio. i don't know if it can do multiple URLs at one time though 2021-03-11T21:33:02 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> because youtube-dl provides two stream links of which one is audio and other is video 2021-03-11T21:34:23 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> you'd call "mpv https://youtube.com/watch?v=whatever" and it does the streaming for you using youtube-dl 2021-03-11T21:35:18 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Interesting. So in theory youtube-dl can output combined url then 2021-03-11T21:36:38 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah, it can also do livestreams and stuff like that 2021-03-11T21:36:46 #kisslinux <merakor> I watched EmacsCon from mpv 2021-03-11T21:36:50 #kisslinux <merakor> Damn it, why not Emacs 2021-03-11T21:37:06 #kisslinux <acheam> Lol 2021-03-11T21:40:10 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Thanks. That was stupid of me asking instead of simply researching everything and reading but still 2021-03-11T21:40:38 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> sometimes it's easier to check first, especially if there's a niche tool that someone in here knows of 2021-03-11T21:40:52 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> which isn't easily findable with the usual methods 2021-03-11T21:41:36 #kisslinux <merakor> That's true 2021-03-11T21:43:02 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> By the way there's userscript for preview video thubnails on invidious like on youtube 2021-03-11T21:46:01 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Not very useful but it exists https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/403367-invidious-video-previews 2021-03-11T21:46:17 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Tested with surf- works without changed 2021-03-11T21:46:36 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> s/changed/changes/ 2021-03-11T21:46:37 #kisslinux <kissbot> <nxghtmvrx> Tested with surf- works without changes 2021-03-11T22:12:40 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Hi guys 2021-03-11T22:34:12 #kisslinux <protonesso> Finally my pax port works 2021-03-11T22:34:14 #kisslinux <protonesso> Shiiit 2021-03-11T22:34:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> as in the tar/cpio replacement? 2021-03-11T22:34:30 #kisslinux <protonesso> At least I have better security 2021-03-11T22:34:36 #kisslinux <protonesso> But no randmap 2021-03-11T22:34:41 #kisslinux <protonesso> ;__; 2021-03-11T22:34:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, no, PaX 2021-03-11T22:35:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> that reminds me, why do people still use tar and not pax? 2021-03-11T22:35:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's not like pax is a recent invention 2021-03-11T22:39:39 #kisslinux <acheam> because tar is a dep for a ton of stuff, and having both installed on the system is less minimal 2021-03-11T22:39:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm talking in general 2021-03-11T22:40:37 #kisslinux <acheam> wdym? 2021-03-11T22:40:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> pax was created to unify and replace both cpio and tar 2021-03-11T22:40:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's compatible with both 2021-03-11T22:41:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> for lack of a better term, it deprecates cpio and tar 2021-03-11T22:41:12 #kisslinux <acheam> people use what's already prevalent 2021-03-11T22:41:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> well yes 2021-03-11T22:41:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> obviously 2021-03-11T22:41:18 #kisslinux <acheam> unless red hat lobbies for it 2021-03-11T22:41:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> but "everyone else does it" is a shitty non-reason 2021-03-11T22:41:49 #kisslinux <acheam> doesn't stop it from being a reason people use 2021-03-11T22:42:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> doesn't make it valid 2021-03-11T22:42:01 #kisslinux <acheam> and with something like software, you kind of need a critical mass 2021-03-11T22:42:11 #kisslinux <acheam> it might not be valid, but it can be a necesity 2021-03-11T22:43:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> Meh. 2021-03-11T22:56:19 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> <midfavila> do you use sbase? 2021-03-11T22:57:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> Yes 2021-03-11T22:57:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> Why? 2021-03-11T23:03:46 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Is this worth? 2021-03-11T23:05:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> I mean, if you want to do it, sure 2021-03-11T23:06:50 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> is better? 2021-03-11T23:07:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> Depends on how you define "better" 2021-03-11T23:07:15 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> faster and less size 2021-03-11T23:07:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> Then yes, they're better 2021-03-11T23:07:34 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> you tested ubase? 2021-03-11T23:07:36 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> i tested 2021-03-11T23:07:44 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> but not worth automatically 2021-03-11T23:07:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> I use ubase and sbase as my coreutils 2021-03-11T23:07:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> They're suitable for my needs. 2021-03-11T23:08:01 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> oh 2021-03-11T23:09:06 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> ubase had to do other configs? or kiss a just works out of the box? 2021-03-11T23:09:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> It just works out of the box. 2021-03-11T23:20:04 #kisslinux <claudia> aloha 2021-03-11T23:20:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> Hello 2021-03-11T23:21:29 #kisslinux <acheam> hi claudia 2021-03-11T23:21:32 #kisslinux <claudia> oh I wanted to ask nxghtmvrx something about framebuffer but they seemed to be off now. 2021-03-11T23:21:35 #kisslinux <necromansy> hey lads 2021-03-11T23:22:25 #kisslinux <kiedtl> hi 2021-03-11T23:22:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> acheam I have a suggestion for the song of the day 2021-03-11T23:22:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://ytprivate.com/watch?v=oeBANlnNzy4 2021-03-11T23:23:07 #kisslinux <necromansy> >dankmus 2021-03-11T23:23:07 #kisslinux <acheam> when I get home i'll look at it 2021-03-11T23:23:09 #kisslinux <necromansy> quality taste 2021-03-11T23:23:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> i only consoom the highest of quality content 2021-03-11T23:23:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> this should be common knowledge by now 2021-03-11T23:25:42 #kisslinux <claudia> funky 2021-03-11T23:25:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh you don't even know funky 2021-03-11T23:26:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://ytprivate.com/watch?v=TtbCdqmdfO4 2021-03-11T23:26:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> behold 2021-03-11T23:26:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> america moment 2021-03-11T23:26:26 #kisslinux <necromansy> hahaha 2021-03-11T23:26:35 #kisslinux <necromansy> ITS A HANDGUN 2021-03-11T23:26:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> ngl I'm more of a crossbow guy myself 2021-03-11T23:27:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> i find it hilarious how you need to jump through a dozen and a half hoops to even be considered for a restricted license to buy a handgun in my province, but you can just like 2021-03-11T23:27:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> carry a crossbow around 2021-03-11T23:28:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> and that's totally a-okay 2021-03-11T23:28:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> same thing with knives vs swords 2021-03-11T23:28:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> can't carry a knife above a certain length but swords? that's fine