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2021-02-19T00:05:14 #kisslinux <noocsharp> how has it taken me this long to see this
2021-02-19T00:06:06 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: it was done in an afternoon on a livestream
2021-02-19T00:06:12 #kisslinux <acheam> not a real project
2021-02-19T00:06:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's real in my heart
2021-02-19T00:09:02 #kisslinux <sad_plan> dylin: I cant launch velox due to swc-launch cant be connected to. did you encounter a similar issue when you converted to wayland?
2021-02-19T00:32:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> how are you launching velox?
2021-02-19T00:33:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> you have to do swc-launch velox
2021-02-19T00:33:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> sorry i'm watching pogchamps recaps lol
2021-02-19T00:37:30 #kisslinux <sad_plan> I was just typing velox :p in any case, Ill try swc-launch velox
2021-02-19T00:37:33 #kisslinux <sad_plan> no biggie:p
2021-02-19T00:37:37 #kisslinux <sad_plan> pkill x
2021-02-19T00:37:50 #kisslinux <sad_plan> wrong window
2021-02-19T00:39:00 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> incase anyone cares (in the future), i compiled firefox **without** `--disable-crashreporter`, and I also removed firefox-privacy, and now its working!
2021-02-19T00:42:47 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ok, velox did indeed run. I just couldnt launch anything, because I assume st straight from suckless aswell as dmenu wont work. does feh work at all? I know sway had swaybg though..
2021-02-19T00:43:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> wbg works
2021-02-19T00:43:33 #kisslinux <sad_plan> phoebos: nice. the crashreport is just annoying anyway, but I do belive you can simply remove it in about:config tbh. I cant verify that on top of my head though.
2021-02-19T00:43:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> you can use wayst or foot, bemenu is a dmenu replacement
2021-02-19T00:43:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> grim is a scrot tool
2021-02-19T00:44:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> I haven't tested any of these on velox, they're ability to work depends on whether or not mcf has implemented the things they use to interact with wayland display servers
2021-02-19T00:44:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> s/they're/their/
2021-02-19T00:44:35 #kisslinux <kissbot> <dilyn> I haven't tested any of these on velox, their ability to work depends on whether or not mcf has implemented the things they use to interact with wayland display servers
2021-02-19T00:47:34 #kisslinux <sad_plan> nice.
2021-02-19T00:47:44 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> sad_plan: without it there was no way to get any crash information
2021-02-19T00:48:04 #kisslinux <sad_plan> hm, appearently foot wont install, its missing default_*profraw
2021-02-19T00:48:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's generated by llvm
2021-02-19T00:48:43 #kisslinux <sad_plan> phoebos: yeah, it is even better that way anyway really. wont have to deal with about:configs anyway
2021-02-19T00:48:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> so assuming you're building using gcc you're using the wrong build script
2021-02-19T00:49:00 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ok, but I already have llvm. just updated it aswel
2021-02-19T00:49:03 #kisslinux <sad_plan> aah
2021-02-19T00:49:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> are you using llvm tools? clang llvm-ar etc?
2021-02-19T00:49:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> i forget what generates profiling data specifically from llvm
2021-02-19T00:50:07 #kisslinux <sad_plan> not really. currently I just use the OG kiss rootfs. I did try to change to llvm/clang, but I gave up for whatever reason. couldnt get it to work
2021-02-19T00:50:34 #kisslinux <sad_plan> also: err: terminal.c:2014: failed to arm cursor blink timer: Invalid argument
2021-02-19T00:50:42 #kisslinux <sad_plan> 2 lines above the afforementioned one
2021-02-19T00:51:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> try this? https://github.com/dylanaraps/wayland-experiment/tree/master/wayland/foot-pgo
2021-02-19T00:51:22 #kisslinux <sad_plan> phobeos: did you try to build latest ff aswell? not just the one currently in the repo
2021-02-19T00:51:24 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ill try
2021-02-19T00:51:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> the static patch may or may not work for depending on what libs you have installed
2021-02-19T00:52:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's also semi-outdated and will only build that way if you have an active wayland display server. ouch
2021-02-19T00:52:32 #kisslinux <sad_plan> foot-pgo failed to build.
2021-02-19T00:53:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> you can follow this https://codeberg.org/dnkl/foot/src/branch/master/INSTALL.md#user-content-performance-optimized-pgo and do partial-pgo until you're in a wayland session
2021-02-19T00:53:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> or just straight up build it in the boring way https://github.com/Himmalerin/kiss-wayland/tree/master/kiss-wayland/foot
2021-02-19T00:54:53 #kisslinux <sad_plan> that would be easier tbh :p ill check out the link anyway
2021-02-19T00:56:06 #kisslinux <sad_plan> building from himm somethingsomething's repo worked
2021-02-19T00:57:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> ezpz
2021-02-19T00:58:06 #kisslinux <necromansy> whats the go with building wayland with kiss?
2021-02-19T00:58:15 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> sad_plan: i did but the patch failed and i couldn't be bothered to fix it
2021-02-19T01:17:00 #kisslinux <konimex> <acheam "konimex: how does bmake stack u"> some (rather important) programs can't be built without GNU make but otherwise, not much difference
2021-02-19T01:28:15 #kisslinux <sad_plan> necromansy: well why not? its fun to try new stuff imo. also; Ive got issues with xorg freezing my windows, so im unable to move/resize them, aswell as spawn new ones. have to kill and restart x to do so. had the same issue inside a VM aswell before I installed it to disk. have no clue as to whatever it could be.
2021-02-19T01:28:33 #kisslinux <sad_plan> phoebos: ah ok. belive testuser also ran into about same issue with 86 or so
2021-02-19T01:28:39 #kisslinux <necromansy> oh yeah i dont have anything against it, that was more so "whats the big barriers for it"
2021-02-19T01:29:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> not much in terms of barriers
2021-02-19T01:30:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> the biggest hurdle to get over is the programs you use and how tied down to X you are
2021-02-19T01:30:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> if you don't use any X apps/apps you use are also wayland native, you don't need xwayland or any xlibs at all; otherwise you have to fork xorg-server and enable xwayland support
2021-02-19T01:30:38 #kisslinux <sad_plan> basiclly what dylin said ^
2021-02-19T01:30:50 #kisslinux <necromansy> what are the major apps that would need xwayland
2021-02-19T01:31:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> used to be firefox/chromium/etc... since gtk got its shit together most gtk apps probably won't need it
2021-02-19T01:31:28 #kisslinux <sad_plan> possibly games. ive seem to recall people having some issues with running some games or whatever. I havent checked myself though
2021-02-19T01:31:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> ^
2021-02-19T01:32:36 #kisslinux <necromansy> any idea what gui backends are supported aside from gtk? i use python/matplotlib
2021-02-19T01:33:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> Qt definitely
2021-02-19T01:34:01 #kisslinux <necromansy> hmm using Tk rn apparantely
2021-02-19T01:34:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm just using pango/cairo, and that's solely for hikari
2021-02-19T01:34:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> but I don't run many gui apps lol. just a browser
2021-02-19T01:35:07 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah i really only run a browser, pdf viewer and image viewer + gui output of plots
2021-02-19T01:35:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> then you might really like wayland! I find it more responsive, multimonitor support is quite excellent, etcetc
2021-02-19T01:35:50 #kisslinux <sad_plan> is wbg in the repos at all? I cant seem to find it.. also, is there anything that wayland require to get the keyboard to work? either my velox config is broken, or theres something with wayland. or something else :p
2021-02-19T01:36:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://codeberg.org/dnkl/wbg
2021-02-19T01:36:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's pretty easy to package
2021-02-19T01:36:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> wayland relies on the compositor to setup the input devices
2021-02-19T01:36:40 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ah, nice.
2021-02-19T01:36:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> i've no idea how velox does it
2021-02-19T01:36:50 #kisslinux <sad_plan> dont you already use velox?
2021-02-19T01:37:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> i launched it, once
2021-02-19T01:37:01 #kisslinux <necromansy> is tthe compositor opt-out-able at all or is it required?
2021-02-19T01:37:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-02-19T01:37:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> the compositor is everything necromansy
2021-02-19T01:37:18 #kisslinux <acheam> konimex: good to know. My personal makefiles are rudimentary, so don't think that would be a problem at least for my own programs.
2021-02-19T01:37:28 #kisslinux <acheam> i mean, you can opt out, you just wouldn't have a desktop :)
2021-02-19T01:37:32 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao
2021-02-19T01:37:36 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah aight
2021-02-19T01:37:40 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ah ok. I cant launch anything so im just asking :p velox starts fine, but cant launch anything :p
2021-02-19T01:38:03 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> necromansy: how do you find what backend matplotlib's using
2021-02-19T01:38:11 #kisslinux <necromansy> import matplotlib
2021-02-19T01:38:16 #kisslinux <necromansy> matplotlib.get_backend()
2021-02-19T01:38:26 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> :)
2021-02-19T01:38:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> sometimes, it is just that easy...
2021-02-19T01:39:07 #kisslinux <necromansy> matplotlib aint always friendly but when it is, it is
2021-02-19T01:39:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> I would imagine there's a way to start velox with foot running? that would help a ton in finding out if your keyboard works at all or it's just some keys
2021-02-19T01:40:10 #kisslinux <acheam> is there any way of just launching the program without a compositor running, like how on Xorg you can just xinit a specific program?
2021-02-19T01:41:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> I would imagine not...
2021-02-19T01:46:15 #kisslinux <necromansy> aight im gonna give it a whirl, the Himmalerin repo a good one to use?
2021-02-19T01:46:20 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> <dilyn "then you might really like wayla"> is that a generally across the protocol or are some compositors better in particular
2021-02-19T01:46:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> imo there are a lot of meme compositors
2021-02-19T01:47:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> like maze and motorcar
2021-02-19T01:48:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> but you've got sway, hikari, dwl, river, wayfire
2021-02-19T01:49:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> the problem is writing a wayland compositor can be super involved work
2021-02-19T01:50:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> but I think any wlroots compositor should have roughly equivalent experiences...
2021-02-19T01:51:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> don't hold me to that though. I've only otherwise tried sway and could never get my keyboard to work :S
2021-02-19T02:19:24 #kisslinux <acheam> I think it might be about time to release a new rootfs
2021-02-19T02:19:39 #kisslinux <acheam> its been a good while
2021-02-19T02:42:22 #kisslinux <sad_plan> yep. rootfs is from 4th sep last year, so its getting pretty old tbh
2021-02-19T02:42:24 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ¯_(ツ)_/¯
2021-02-19T02:45:49 #kisslinux <sad_plan> you can actually even reduce its size by removing bison, m4 and linux-headers. as far as I can figure it out, theyre allr eally just make deps anyway. youll end up downloading them right away anyway, but yeah.
2021-02-19T02:47:19 #kisslinux <necromansy> thats actually something i wanted to mention, would it be worth making a hook that removes make dependencies after a build
2021-02-19T02:47:37 #kisslinux <necromansy> im noticing that i remove perl, build something that needs it as a make dep, and then i have perl again
2021-02-19T02:49:08 #kisslinux <sad_plan> I personally remove all make deps all the time, so having a hook that does this automticly would be nice tbh. I do recall looking into it, but I couldnt really figure it out at the time anyway
2021-02-19T02:49:39 #kisslinux <sad_plan> would also keep package list at a more minimum
2021-02-19T02:50:29 #kisslinux <necromansy> id imagine itd be something akin to iterating over the dep file and running kiss r on any with a make flag
2021-02-19T02:52:17 #kisslinux <sad_plan> something like that.
2021-02-19T02:53:03 #kisslinux <necromansy> might see if i can scrap something together and leave it to the new BDFL to decide what to do with :P
2021-02-19T02:53:11 #kisslinux <sad_plan> would have to take into consideration that not all deps that are make dep for one package, might not be a make dep for others aswell. as I dont belive thats the case for every package.
2021-02-19T02:53:19 #kisslinux <sad_plan> sounds good!
2021-02-19T02:54:21 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah, good point
2021-02-19T02:54:45 #kisslinux <sad_plan> yep. an easy method to break your system anyway :p
2021-02-19T02:55:53 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao yeah, will have to make some calls to revdepends :P
2021-02-19T02:56:58 #kisslinux <sad_plan> indeed :p
2021-02-19T03:12:39 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> dilyn: you inspired me to play with weston and i got it to work this time
2021-02-19T03:12:43 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> its neat
2021-02-19T03:13:38 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi
2021-02-19T03:14:19 #kisslinux <necromansy> sup!
2021-02-19T03:18:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> nice nice nice
2021-02-19T03:19:08 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> dilyn isn't link_pcilib=false enough to drop pciutils
2021-02-19T03:19:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh damn what
2021-02-19T03:19:36 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> It's in the community build file
2021-02-19T03:19:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> don't do this to me
2021-02-19T03:20:00 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> necromansy: just woke up
2021-02-19T03:20:22 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> omg weston-smoke :D
2021-02-19T03:21:04 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> btw i tried dropping even bundled ICU completely but it's required for some file_support thing and disabling that breaks build because cuz i guess they didn't put enough ifdefs there
2021-02-19T03:22:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> how could you do this to me
2021-02-19T03:23:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah it's required for file URI support :S shame the build fails...
2021-02-19T03:27:27 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> disabling ftp support helped a bit with build fail but i didn't see any more ifdefs so i guess they didn't bother
2021-02-19T03:32:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> because obviously who in their right mind wouldn't want icu
2021-02-19T04:07:03 #kisslinux <necromansy> testuser: sorry bout that gross commit history, hopefully the delete+refork cleaned it lmao
2021-02-19T04:08:50 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> np
2021-02-19T04:10:03 #kisslinux <konimex> also, with go updated, I guess I have to drop my maintainership over its package, since I don't really use much Go nowadays
2021-02-19T04:27:01 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> kascade: are you dropping unifont too?
2021-02-19T04:31:09 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> oh nvm
2021-02-19T05:07:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> anybody had any strange issues using an mdev that isn't busybox?
2021-02-19T05:08:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> neither toybox mdev nor mdevd will read /etc/mdev.conf on boot for me!
2021-02-19T05:25:46 #kisslinux <acheam> a funny response to the form: "dilyn doesn't like GPL so much that its considerable
2021-02-19T05:25:48 #kisslinux <acheam> "
2021-02-19T05:27:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> holy shit
2021-02-19T05:27:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> > doesn't like gpl
2021-02-19T05:27:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> > uses linux
2021-02-19T05:27:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> based
2021-02-19T05:27:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> 8D
2021-02-19T05:28:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> wtf this package is installing tests into the /tmp dir in DESTDIR
2021-02-19T05:28:53 #kisslinux <acheam> which package lol
2021-02-19T05:28:59 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> kiss manifest bind: /tmp/8075/build/bind/bin/tests/
2021-02-19T05:29:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> oofa doofa somebody messed up their build script
2021-02-19T05:31:04 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> lol this issue is present in the older version dylan packaged too, guess ill just rm -rf in the build script
2021-02-19T05:56:14 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://repology.org/graph/repo/kiss_community/projects_outdated.svg nice
2021-02-19T06:03:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> good job lads
2021-02-19T07:25:48 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> anyone encountered this issue with `ksh` where "Ctrl + C" on `kiss update` prompt doesn't cancel it but has the same effect as pressing Enter
2021-02-19T07:25:58 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> so it updates stuff anyway
2021-02-19T07:28:45 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah, iirc I had fixed the issue with ksh on cpt, wait a second let me find it
2021-02-19T07:30:57 #kisslinux <merakor> add a 'stty intr "^C"' to main()
2021-02-19T07:31:08 #kisslinux <merakor> It will fix ksh
2021-02-19T07:34:24 #kisslinux <merakor> Oh but it seems I removed it with the commit 'remove stty hack', guess I found a better way of doing it, but this should work in the time being. I wasn't much descriptive on my commits back then, huh.
2021-02-19T09:14:57 #kisslinux <merakor> Okay, I found how I properly fixed it, here is the patch: https://termbin.com/keus
2021-02-19T09:16:03 #kisslinux <merakor> I think this is an oksh bug though, can't replicate the problem on mksh
2021-02-19T09:37:21 #kisslinux <tink> Is there a source/guide that explains the process of replacing a linux kernel? I always thought I could take the vmlinuz and System.map of my Mint installation and copy it to /boot on Kiss (after moving Kiss' vmlinuz and System.map to another directory obviously) to test whether I have a softwate configuration issue or an overlooked kernel option. Though, it apparently doesn't work. This also makes me think that I have been doing it completely wrong because I
2021-02-19T09:37:22 #kisslinux <tink> thought doing 'make mrproper', adding in the new '.config', then doing 'make -j "$(nproc)" && make modules install' and 'make install' was enough but maybe I need to create a new bootx64.efi as well.
2021-02-19T09:38:13 #kisslinux <tink> Holy shit. That's it. I've been compiling new kernels multiple times every day for the last week because my touchpad wasn't working. I havdn'
2021-02-19T09:39:33 #kisslinux <tink> Though, I haven't been doing any cp /boot/vmlinuz /boot/bootx64.efi, which means all this time I have been working with the kernel I compiled months ago.
2021-02-19T09:40:04 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Lol
2021-02-19T09:42:45 #kisslinux <merakor> tink: I didn't exactly understand what you are doing, but it is always the best idea to search the gentoo wiki for kernel configuration, especially for hardware.
2021-02-19T09:43:30 #kisslinux <merakor> Oh now I understand, sorry lol
2021-02-19T09:45:50 #kisslinux <tink> I know, right, it's so stupid that no one expects anybody to do it so it's hard to believe. I wasted a week I guess
2021-02-19T09:49:08 #kisslinux <merakor> tink: No, it's alright. I remember doing my first Gentoo install years ago, I forgot to compile my kernel and wondered what I did wrong for a few good days.
2021-02-19T10:59:24 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> wtf, my personal KISS repo has more "unique" clones (72) than repo-main (56) or community (43), but they have more non unique clones
2021-02-19T10:59:32 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> maybe bots on my repo :think:
2021-02-19T11:22:44 #kisslinux <merakor> It's probable, I don't exactly understand what the purposes of these bots are. There are bots all over Github that just fork/clone packages. They have like thousands of forked repositories without a single commit on them.
2021-02-19T11:38:37 #kisslinux <travankor> tink: probably the initramfs is incompatible
2021-02-19T11:39:02 #kisslinux <travankor> but you can definitely build a kernel using debian's config if you want to
2021-02-19T11:57:40 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice, tried out sccache with firefox, now takes 3 min to fail instead of 19 min
2021-02-19T11:58:19 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> whats annoying about sccache is that the patch needs match EXACTLY so you need to do something like `export KISS_PID=firefox` so that its built in /tmp/firefox every time
2021-02-19T12:18:58 #kisslinux <tink> travankor: It's probably incompatible but the problem wasn't even that. I boot to vmlinuz renamed as bootx64.efi but whenever I tried a different .config I just replaced the vmlinuz file, not bootx64.efi. That's why not even my Kiss kernels made any difference.
2021-02-19T12:25:34 #kisslinux <travankor> oh lol, i see
2021-02-19T12:26:07 #kisslinux <travankor> well, lots of yak-shaving in loonix land ;)
2021-02-19T12:33:48 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> markdown conversion of the wiki is nearing completion. only 6 of the ~42 articles remain… i have slowed down on these to address the h3 header. i have also spent a lot of time making small tweaks to “harmonize” the styling across all articles. Once done, i will start the validation process. https://mcpcpc.com/k1ss/wiki.html
2021-02-19T12:33:51 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> bruh
2021-02-19T12:34:00 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> the fix for the firefox patch was literally at the start
2021-02-19T12:34:14 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i didnt touch it earlier cuz it was the same there since months
2021-02-19T12:39:38 #kisslinux <necromansy> i dont envy your FF fuckery rn
2021-02-19T12:39:59 #kisslinux <necromansy> though im trying to build wayland and im thinking i may just do a fresh install
2021-02-19T12:40:49 #kisslinux <travankor> webkitgtk + netsurf build fastest for me
2021-02-19T12:41:52 #kisslinux <travankor> kind of interesting that my user agent is "Linux Safari"
2021-02-19T12:42:34 #kisslinux <necromansy> huh i didnt think netsurf had anything to do with safari in the slightest
2021-02-19T12:43:33 #kisslinux <travankor> my bad, netsurf is separate
2021-02-19T12:43:54 #kisslinux <travankor> webkitgtk-based browsers report "Linux Safari"
2021-02-19T12:44:04 #kisslinux <necromansy> ahhhh
2021-02-19T12:44:04 #kisslinux <travankor> I just alternate between the 2
2021-02-19T12:44:12 #kisslinux <travankor> 2 browsers
2021-02-19T12:44:19 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> wont that user agent make you very unique ?
2021-02-19T12:44:23 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> "Linux safari"
2021-02-19T12:45:01 #kisslinux <travankor> yea lol 😅
2021-02-19T12:48:34 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> can netsurf run basic js ?
2021-02-19T12:49:56 #kisslinux <aarng> webkit is originally from apple for safari, that's probably why
2021-02-19T12:50:25 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah i wasnt aware of that apparanetly
2021-02-19T12:50:46 #kisslinux <tracer> It in fact a fork of KHTML, the KDE rendering engine.
2021-02-19T12:51:32 #kisslinux <tracer> KHTML -> webKit -> Blink And now Qt is also on Blink, QtWebengine is Chromium.
2021-02-19T12:53:15 #kisslinux <aarng> merakor: first time I hear about that C-c bug and I've been using oksh on kiss from the get-go
2021-02-19T12:53:55 #kisslinux <merakor> Is it linked to /bin/sh?
2021-02-19T12:54:23 #kisslinux <merakor> I had found this bug when I first tried porting cpt to bsd
2021-02-19T12:54:35 #kisslinux <merakor> I can still reproduce with oksh
2021-02-19T12:56:11 #kisslinux <aarng> oh, ignore me
2021-02-19T12:56:19 #kisslinux <aarng> I don't use it as /bin/sh
2021-02-19T12:57:10 #kisslinux <merakor> That's alright
2021-02-19T12:57:24 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> What coreutils are there other than busybox, toybox, {s,u}base ? That are still in active development
2021-02-19T12:57:29 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> not GNU ofcourse
2021-02-19T12:58:03 #kisslinux <merakor> There used to be some openbsd userland tools on kiss community
2021-02-19T12:58:09 #kisslinux <merakor> I don't exactly remember its name
2021-02-19T12:58:32 #kisslinux <necromansy> there's the plan9 ones that are also in the community repo
2021-02-19T12:58:38 #kisslinux <necromansy> idk if id recommend them tho
2021-02-19T12:58:46 #kisslinux <merakor> 9base
2021-02-19T12:58:49 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah
2021-02-19T12:59:32 #kisslinux <merakor> I used to maintain it. But I only used Plan9 specific tools from the package, not the base utils
2021-02-19T13:00:07 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Is there a standalone mdev ?
2021-02-19T13:00:29 #kisslinux <merakor> No, it is specific to busybox
2021-02-19T13:01:00 #kisslinux <aarng> https://termbin.com/naf9
2021-02-19T13:01:06 #kisslinux <aarng> ^ if someone wants a simple gemini client
2021-02-19T13:03:26 #kisslinux <necromansy> >simple
2021-02-19T13:03:30 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah that's true
2021-02-19T13:03:50 #kisslinux <necromansy> might check that out
2021-02-19T13:03:54 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> http://skarnet.org/software/mdevd/ Hmm, found this from dilyn's repo
2021-02-19T13:03:55 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Will try dropping busybox altogether cuz why not
2021-02-19T13:04:02 #kisslinux <necromansy> tho i did just put amfora up into the repos :P
2021-02-19T13:04:35 #kisslinux <necromansy> i wanted to replace busybox with just s/u base but the deng things aren't quite POSIX compliant
2021-02-19T13:06:16 #kisslinux <aarng> I might extend it a little to react on prompts etc, it's pretty fun because the protocol is so simple
2021-02-19T13:06:40 #kisslinux <aarng> necromansy, do you reckon busybox is more POSIX compliant than the suckless coreutils?
2021-02-19T13:06:41 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> merakor: btw since you packaged gtk4, does it clone a ton of submodules like for gdk-pixbuf and even zlib ?
2021-02-19T13:07:04 #kisslinux <necromansy> aarng: well where it matters for the PM yeah
2021-02-19T13:07:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> mdevd is like a standalone mdev
2021-02-19T13:07:42 #kisslinux <aarng> I see. I thought dylan had pretty much ironed out most incompatibilities
2021-02-19T13:08:02 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> I think sbase ubase works fine other than tar and harmless grep errors
2021-02-19T13:08:08 #kisslinux <merakor> testuser_[m]: no it doesn't
2021-02-19T13:08:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> he was working on kiss6 before he left and was trying to iron out a few bugs beforehand
2021-02-19T13:08:25 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> merakor: hmm, weird
2021-02-19T13:08:40 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> kiss6 ?
2021-02-19T13:08:41 #kisslinux <necromansy> nah, sbase builds with a sed removal patch, sbase tar doesn't like the way Dylan's written the extract calls
2021-02-19T13:08:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> if you want rustutils there's uutils and rustybox
2021-02-19T13:08:47 #kisslinux <merakor> I created subdirectories so that it doesn't do that
2021-02-19T13:09:01 #kisslinux <merakor> cpt-5.2 :d
2021-02-19T13:09:15 #kisslinux <aarng> yeh, sbase `sed` has no -i
2021-02-19T13:09:16 #kisslinux <konimex> kiss 6 is canceled iirc and most of the changes is backported to kiss 5.2
2021-02-19T13:09:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> ^
2021-02-19T13:09:34 #kisslinux <necromansy> dilyn: whats the best way to go about building wayland if im looking to use something like dwl
2021-02-19T13:09:37 #kisslinux <aarng> I was propagating for using ed but busybox ed is a joke
2021-02-19T13:10:00 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah im using the ed1.17 package
2021-02-19T13:10:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> you'll need mesa built with the wayland platform (optionally drop x11 as a platform and all the xdeps if you don't need xwayland)
2021-02-19T13:10:44 #kisslinux <necromansy> sbase ed is nice but i like having the extra options the new ed has
2021-02-19T13:10:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> you need libxkbcommon and xkeyboard-config for wayland
2021-02-19T13:10:54 #kisslinux <merakor> testuser_[m]: https://termbin.com/xr4m
2021-02-19T13:11:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> and then you'll need wlroots for dwl itself
2021-02-19T13:11:20 #kisslinux <aarng> if it was my decision, I'd just change all sed -i calls with ed and ship a proper ed with the base install
2021-02-19T13:11:24 #kisslinux <necromansy> ^
2021-02-19T13:11:30 #kisslinux <necromansy> better compat imo
2021-02-19T13:11:34 #kisslinux <necromansy> also thanks
2021-02-19T13:11:39 #kisslinux <aarng> yep
2021-02-19T13:11:58 #kisslinux <necromansy> i tried building that all with hamm's wayland repo, but my tty froze up when i called dwl
2021-02-19T13:12:12 #kisslinux <merakor> I do some sed_i() wraps on most packages where it just replicates the same functionality
2021-02-19T13:12:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> hm
2021-02-19T13:12:53 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah, i bet ive got some fucky going on here on my end
2021-02-19T13:13:03 #kisslinux <aarng> thats cool, merakor
2021-02-19T13:13:16 #kisslinux <necromansy> ive cloned your kde repo, gonna try getting the wayland/mesa stuff from there and pull in wlroots later
2021-02-19T13:13:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's probably something inane like your configuration file is broken
2021-02-19T13:13:54 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> merakor yeah I've seen that build file, but here it clones subprojects for other regular deps like zlib for whatever reason
2021-02-19T13:13:57 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> I'll try again
2021-02-19T13:13:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol you're doing it the fun way
2021-02-19T13:14:25 #kisslinux <konimex> if it already exists in system why tf would it need to clone subprojects again?
2021-02-19T13:14:27 #kisslinux <merakor> That's really weird
2021-02-19T13:14:42 #kisslinux <merakor> Are the dependencies satisfied?
2021-02-19T13:14:55 #kisslinux <necromansy> the hamfisted, brute force "if it work it work" way
2021-02-19T13:14:57 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao
2021-02-19T13:15:01 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Yeah
2021-02-19T13:15:23 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i had the same issue with glib in repo-main with it cloning libelf even tho it was installed, but i think it suddenly stopped doing that
2021-02-19T13:17:13 #kisslinux <merakor> I really hate projects that clone others.
2021-02-19T13:17:46 #kisslinux <konimex> might be something pkgconfig-related?
2021-02-19T13:18:14 #kisslinux <merakor> It adds lots of burden to people who are actually maintaining that shit on package repositories
2021-02-19T13:18:50 #kisslinux <tracer> It thought lifelf is outdated by elfutils?
2021-02-19T13:19:26 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> bruh wtf gtk fixed itself now too
2021-02-19T13:19:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao
2021-02-19T13:25:22 #kisslinux <merakor2> You didn't change anything?
2021-02-19T13:25:44 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i dont think so
2021-02-19T13:26:09 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> pkgconf hasnt changed at all since months, meson was recently updated but the issue is suddenly fixed on older ver too
2021-02-19T13:26:36 #kisslinux <merakor2> I mean, I hope it doesn't actually save it on some user cache directory
2021-02-19T13:26:38 #kisslinux <necromansy> dilyn: you know what i reckon it was? how i was setting up the runtime dir
2021-02-19T13:27:10 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nah i never let the clones finish completely so it cant be that
2021-02-19T13:27:15 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> an old log btw http://ix.io/2PXs
2021-02-19T13:27:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> see, now there's a better way dwl could inform you of that
2021-02-19T13:27:30 #kisslinux <necromansy> i was getting it with sway too
2021-02-19T13:27:50 #kisslinux <necromansy> which would make sense if that was the case
2021-02-19T13:27:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> mmhmm
2021-02-19T13:28:26 #kisslinux <necromansy> anyway, got it working at least, now to get it up to scratch
2021-02-19T13:28:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> gzgz :)
2021-02-19T13:30:30 #kisslinux <merakor> I will be trying the build on a clean carbs chroot to see how it goes
2021-02-19T13:31:13 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i havent really rebuilt anything either, and it works on my other chroots too which arent that up to date
2021-02-19T13:32:12 #kisslinux * testuser_[m] uploaded an image: 2021-02-19-190045_285x77_scrot.png < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/testuser-matrix.duckdns.org/10159b63ead15638aa858d5acd852cefff1802f01ce6eea17d43da7ea5bf2ae9/2021-02-19-190045_285x77_scrot.png >
2021-02-19T13:32:16 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> repology is high
2021-02-19T13:32:47 #kisslinux <merakor> Are there two llvm repositories?
2021-02-19T13:33:03 #kisslinux <merakor> s/repositories/packages/
2021-02-19T13:33:05 #kisslinux <kissbot> <merakor> Are there two llvm packages?
2021-02-19T13:33:16 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> no there's only one llvm with v11.1.0 lol
2021-02-19T13:34:01 #kisslinux <merakor> Maybe repology merged llvm and clang.
2021-02-19T13:34:20 #kisslinux <merakor> You can actually check which packages are listed as outdated
2021-02-19T13:34:29 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hmm thats possible
2021-02-19T13:34:37 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i forgot about clang when updating llvm
2021-02-19T13:35:48 #kisslinux <merakor> Yep, I checked, it is clang
2021-02-19T13:36:30 #kisslinux <merakor> Welp, I was not updating llvm all this time because I was waiting for clang.
2021-02-19T13:50:03 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> merakor: i put `stty intr "^C"` into kiss (main func), but doesn't seem to have any effect
2021-02-19T13:51:15 #kisslinux <merakor> testuser_[m]: Yeah, I figured out later that I removed it because it wasn't the correct fix. I have sent a patch instead.
2021-02-19T13:51:39 #kisslinux <merakor> https://termbin.com/keus
2021-02-19T13:53:11 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> thanks! that seems to work
2021-02-19T13:53:23 #kisslinux <merakor> This is only a fix for the build/update function, though. Anywhere prompt() isn't FOLLOWED by a logical operator, the same should be applied.
2021-02-19T13:53:29 #kisslinux <merakor> Sure thing, glad to help :)
2021-02-19T13:54:20 #kisslinux <merakor> I can write a proper patch and send a PR to the repository in a few hours
2021-02-19T13:55:35 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice
2021-02-19T14:24:49 #kisslinux <merakor> Sent the PR to kiss-community
2021-02-19T14:25:50 #kisslinux <merakor> Turns out there were only 2 prompt uses in the package manager that was not followed by an operator huh
2021-02-19T14:26:22 #kisslinux <merakor> Meanwhile on cpt :^)
2021-02-19T14:27:34 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> so pipewire, the upcoming "replacement" for jack/alsa/pulseaudio, relies on systemd?
2021-02-19T14:28:32 #kisslinux <merakor2> Since when is pipewire a replacement
2021-02-19T14:28:38 #kisslinux <merakor2> Did I miss something
2021-02-19T14:28:51 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> wtf
2021-02-19T14:28:51 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> yeah its a replacement cem
2021-02-19T14:30:14 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> systemd/user is listed from what i can tell
2021-02-19T14:30:19 #kisslinux <merakor2> Wow I have never checked it out before
2021-02-19T14:30:23 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> how disappointing :/
2021-02-19T14:30:36 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> what do you mean by systemd/user ?
2021-02-19T14:31:13 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/systemd/User
2021-02-19T14:31:22 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> that component of systemd
2021-02-19T14:31:32 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://github.com/PipeWire/pipewire/blob/master/meson_options.txt#L29 it seems optional from here
2021-02-19T14:32:42 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah, it is also packaged in void
2021-02-19T14:32:45 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> btw a similar functionality can be achieved in runit https://docs.voidlinux.org/config/services/user-services.html
2021-02-19T14:33:08 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> as long as its not a hard dependency then ok
2021-02-19T14:34:14 #kisslinux <merakor> Are there any advantages of pipewire compared to pulse?
2021-02-19T14:34:32 #kisslinux <merakor> *inserts xkcd competing standards meme*
2021-02-19T14:36:14 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pipewire/pipewire/-/wikis/FAQ#how-is-pipewire-supposed-to-be-a-better-pulseaudio
2021-02-19T14:36:16 #kisslinux <merakor> Oh okay it's a whole multimedia framework
2021-02-19T14:37:18 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/category/pipewire/
2021-02-19T14:37:48 #kisslinux <merakor> Thanks, that is explanatory
2021-02-19T14:37:51 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> and theoretically would be a way i could get sound support back in browsers that have removed their alsa support
2021-02-19T14:38:15 #kisslinux <merakor> It has its uses, but I am personally fine with pulse
2021-02-19T14:42:59 #kisslinux <acheam> except for those annoying things that require both, like certain flatpaks
2021-02-19T14:43:37 #kisslinux <acheam> the flatpak runtime requires PA for audio, and the internal program requires pipewire
2021-02-19T14:49:17 #kisslinux <konimex> doesn't pipewire have a pulse-compatible "shim"?
2021-02-19T14:50:22 #kisslinux <konimex> so you don't really need pulse and pipewire
2021-02-19T14:53:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah
2021-02-19T14:53:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> pipewire seems... really good
2021-02-19T14:54:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> seems more straightforward, accomplishes what pulse wanted to but couldn't, etc.
2021-02-19T14:54:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'd say for more exotic needs where working with alsa is cumbersome, or you need jack but want unification between alsa and jack, pipewire is perfecto
2021-02-19T15:11:50 #kisslinux <acheam> it does, but somethings still have hard deps
2021-02-19T15:12:03 #kisslinux <acheam> for a lot of people, it is a drop in replacment, but there are lots of edge cases
2021-02-19T15:28:31 #kisslinux <kyao> is there a new chroot?
2021-02-19T15:28:33 #kisslinux <kyao> wget "$url/kiss-chroot-2020.9-2.tar.xz" gives a 404
2021-02-19T15:30:08 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> no, the existing github link should work either way
2021-02-19T15:30:35 #kisslinux <acheam> ah I need to fix the link
2021-02-19T15:30:43 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> acheam: you replaced kisslinux with kiss-community on the install page
2021-02-19T15:30:46 #kisslinux <acheam> because on kiss-community its called repo-main not repo
2021-02-19T15:32:08 #kisslinux <acheam> this is the link to the current rootfs
2021-02-19T15:32:09 #kisslinux <acheam> https://github.com/kiss-community/repo-main/archive/2020.9-2.tar.gz
2021-02-19T15:32:38 #kisslinux <kyao> thanks :D
2021-02-19T15:32:58 #kisslinux <acheam> I can't find the checksum though
2021-02-19T15:34:41 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> btw acheam, i don't think there's a need to release a new rootfs since nothing has really changed other than updates. We can probably do a new release after gcc 11 rebuild in May/June
2021-02-19T15:35:11 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> (assuming dylan isn't back by then)
2021-02-19T15:35:14 #kisslinux <acheam> testuser_[m]: sounds good
2021-02-19T15:35:37 #kisslinux <acheam> 66 responses so far
2021-02-19T15:35:54 #kisslinux <acheam> if you haven't yet filled out the BDFL form, please do! https://kiss-poll.armaanb.net
2021-02-19T15:39:58 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Should i write a para in the style guide regarding reducing dependencies ? Like statically linking a dep that isnt needed by any other pkg in the build file itself
2021-02-19T15:39:58 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> idk if it's fit for a "style" guide
2021-02-19T15:42:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> eh
2021-02-19T15:42:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> that doesn't really reduce dependencies
2021-02-19T15:43:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> building in static deps should be a decision made by users
2021-02-19T15:43:28 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> <dilyn "that doesn't really reduce depen"> well in the sense that you don't add another package to repo
2021-02-19T15:43:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> you would be, though?
2021-02-19T15:43:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> unless you did something like firefox does for autoconf
2021-02-19T15:44:07 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> wait
2021-02-19T15:44:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> but that just needlessly overcomplicates build files, has overhead if people would like to keep those things installed normally
2021-02-19T15:44:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> etcetc
2021-02-19T15:45:50 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> yeah like firefox only, for deps that would rarely be required by other packages
2021-02-19T15:46:26 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> if some new package requires it then it can be made a shared dep and a separare package
2021-02-19T15:48:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> sounds like a lot of work
2021-02-19T15:49:01 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hmm
2021-02-19T15:49:05 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://www.github.com/kiss-community/repo-main/tree/master/extra%2Fxfsprogs%2Fbuild
2021-02-19T15:49:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> The only reason I do that for e.g. foot is because tllist and fcft are literally only used by foot
2021-02-19T15:51:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah see in this case it makes sense because even arch says it's only required by three other packages
2021-02-19T15:51:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/libinih/
2021-02-19T15:51:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> but in general I don't think it begs ammending the style guide
2021-02-19T15:52:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> in other words, it isn't explicitly disallowed, just not required
2021-02-19T15:53:20 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hmm, I'll drop the idea for style guide then
2021-02-19T16:00:49 #kisslinux <tracer> I can open Websites and google :-) But I need a dark mode ASAP. https://pastebin.24unix.net/?9d21b7394dec0b6c#6pefj5BSN5HMbUuFi9Xn3m4LTmRvzYsBSvJf7dD6SMHQ
2021-02-19T16:03:30 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> the link shows an empty pastebin page
2021-02-19T16:03:57 #kisslinux <tracer> https://pastebin.24unix.net/?9d21b7394dec0b6c#6pefj5BSN5HMbUuFi9Xn3m4LTmRvzYsBSvJf7dD6SMHQ
2021-02-19T16:04:24 #kisslinux <tracer> I guess there war a linbreak. Link works. I will still need to reenable url shortening.
2021-02-19T16:07:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> nicenicenice
2021-02-19T16:07:54 #kisslinux <tracer> Took half of the day to migrate the demo from qmake to cmake.
2021-02-19T16:10:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> qt deciding to drop qmake is the best thing to come out of qt6
2021-02-19T16:10:03 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nvm it was just my net being crap
2021-02-19T16:10:24 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice tracer
2021-02-19T16:11:04 #kisslinux <tracer> Well they didn't really drop it, but KDE chose qmake, so it's better when I use cmake, too.
2021-02-19T16:11:07 #kisslinux <tracer> thx
2021-02-19T16:11:25 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> what's this cheetah browser
2021-02-19T16:11:45 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> looks nice
2021-02-19T16:12:20 #kisslinux <tracer> The browser I started to build, because all other QT Browser kinda suck.
2021-02-19T16:12:49 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice
2021-02-19T16:12:51 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> nice
2021-02-19T16:13:00 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> is cvs fun?
2021-02-19T16:13:05 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> might have naming conflict with https://sourceforge.net/projects/cheetah/
2021-02-19T16:13:10 #kisslinux <tracer> I don't need so much from a browser. A history. Maybe Bookmarks. Maybe Bitwarden integration, if possible.
2021-02-19T16:14:08 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> I just need a dark mode, ublock and ability to run basic js to view shithub
2021-02-19T16:14:10 #kisslinux <tracer> Örgs. Well, I should have checked that before :(
2021-02-19T16:14:48 #kisslinux <tracer> Oh yes, Dark Mode is a must have for me. No ublock, no addons at all.
2021-02-19T16:15:45 #kisslinux <tracer> Well that other browser is from 2001, last update 2013, not so much an issue I guess.
2021-02-19T16:28:26 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> does anyone know if a list exists for all webkit browser extensions ? like there's wyebadblock for adblocking
2021-02-19T16:41:10 #kisslinux <claudia02> aloha.
2021-02-19T16:41:34 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hello claudia
2021-02-19T16:41:55 #kisslinux <tracer> hi claudia02
2021-02-19T16:42:04 #kisslinux <claudia02> testuser_[m], I dont know any list for webkit extensions. But the most extensive listings about browser is the archwiki. https://freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux/20210219
2021-02-19T16:42:13 #kisslinux <claudia02> They mention wyebadblock too.
2021-02-19T16:42:44 #kisslinux <claudia02> In my experience the knowledge about these is pretty fragmented.
2021-02-19T16:43:26 #kisslinux <claudia02> In case you dont know https://www.uninformativ.de/git/lariza/file/README.html does also some nice stuff.
2021-02-19T16:44:22 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice, thanks
2021-02-19T16:53:29 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> claudia02: how's your bsd stuff going?
2021-02-19T17:09:15 #kisslinux <claudia007> re bsd stuff: I have put it aside for now. For some programs you have to fight with the linker to build the right shared libraries.
2021-02-19T17:09:55 #kisslinux <claudia007> You have to specify which so numbers to build. Some programs need patches for this.
2021-02-19T17:10:04 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> So using the just werks repos for now ?
2021-02-19T17:10:13 #kisslinux <claudia007> y
2021-02-19T17:10:17 #kisslinux <claudia007> (:
2021-02-19T17:10:49 #kisslinux <claudia007> I have ffmpeg + mpv working which is something. But webkitgtk did not play nice with icu.
2021-02-19T17:11:06 #kisslinux <claudia007> My machine is to slow to make this a fun project to this point.
2021-02-19T17:13:29 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> What specs ?
2021-02-19T17:14:27 #kisslinux <claudia007> 10 year old notebook. x230
2021-02-19T17:14:55 #kisslinux <claudia007> Webkit takes about 2-3h one run. so yeah
2021-02-19T17:15:04 #kisslinux <phoebos> nice
2021-02-19T17:15:10 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> wtf
2021-02-19T17:16:45 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Btw i think i will readd webkit stuff to community tomorrow
2021-02-19T17:17:02 #kisslinux <aarng> claudio007: is your mpv on openbsd also behaving kinda weirdly?
2021-02-19T17:17:15 #kisslinux <aarng> when I switch workspaces/tags, it takes a while for mpv to reappear
2021-02-19T17:18:01 #kisslinux <aarng> it's pretty annoying how unresponsive it feels
2021-02-19T17:18:17 #kisslinux <aarng> OpenBSD is awesome otherwise
2021-02-19T17:19:07 #kisslinux <aarng> especially the filesystem structure is nice compared to the mess on linux
2021-02-19T17:20:56 #kisslinux <claudia007> aarng, y it does this.
2021-02-19T17:21:33 #kisslinux <aarng> ok, good to hear I'm not the only one with that issue
2021-02-19T17:21:59 #kisslinux <claudia007> webkit is a good alternative for those with easy needs and dont want to build 12h firefox. IMO
2021-02-19T17:22:11 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> aarng when did you switch?
2021-02-19T17:22:28 #kisslinux <aarng> I didn't really switch
2021-02-19T17:22:35 #kisslinux <claudia007> Since using kiss and doing things myself, I can go much better with those "anoying" things (:
2021-02-19T17:22:36 #kisslinux <aarng> just jumping back and forth pretty much
2021-02-19T17:23:51 #kisslinux <tracer> I thought webkit is deprecated by webenginge?
2021-02-19T17:24:56 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> no
2021-02-19T17:25:51 #kisslinux <tracer> OK, then I must build that the other day. Kmail had a dependency, I thought that was old.
2021-02-19T17:27:05 #kisslinux <tracer> Currently I'm building a script to mass update a repo, like Plasma from 5.20.5 to 5.21.0. By hand is much work every few weeks.
2021-02-19T17:27:45 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> I think there's webkit stuff with different names
2021-02-19T17:27:45 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> 1 sef
2021-02-19T17:27:46 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> sec*
2021-02-19T17:28:01 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> webkit2gtk is fine, webkitgtk2 and webkitgtk are dead
2021-02-19T17:28:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> for file in sources version; do sed -i "s/$1/$2/g" */*/$file; done
2021-02-19T17:28:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> ^ what i do
2021-02-19T17:28:31 #kisslinux <tracer> I don't use any GTK at all. Only QT stuff.
2021-02-19T17:29:20 #kisslinux <tracer> dilyn: yes, in principle the same, but with a little bit more output.
2021-02-19T17:29:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-02-19T17:29:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> don't forget to also bump checksums :v
2021-02-19T17:30:12 #kisslinux <tracer> Ah good point. Mihgt have noticed it else before the first build.
2021-02-19T17:38:49 #kisslinux <claudia007> I also want to share my 2cts towards the structure the KISS community wants to establish.
2021-02-19T17:38:56 #kisslinux <claudia007> I think the bdfl structure shines when a project is under develepment.
2021-02-19T17:38:56 #kisslinux <claudia007> But puts a high presure on the person in charge.
2021-02-19T17:38:56 #kisslinux <claudia007> Since kiss can be seen and feature complete and pretty much updating the repos has to be done,
2021-02-19T17:38:56 #kisslinux <claudia007> this could be shared between a small group.(More eyes concept)
2021-02-19T17:38:56 #kisslinux <claudia007> Pro: Even if some parts of the group are not available, updates can be merged.
2021-02-19T17:39:02 #kisslinux <claudia007> *oops (:
2021-02-19T17:40:30 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> that's a good point
2021-02-19T17:41:12 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> this irc naturally centers around the users with more experience etc
2021-02-19T17:41:43 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> as long as the group can make small decisions that would be best imo
2021-02-19T17:44:09 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> around 4 people have write access to community rn, so that shouldn't be a big issue
2021-02-19T17:45:45 #kisslinux <claudia007> Maybe a bdfl for the website is needed to make some desing choices ^^'
2021-02-19T18:03:53 #kisslinux <acheam> claudia007: put that into the form. https://kiss-poll.armaanb.net
2021-02-19T18:30:43 #kisslinux <clauia> acheam: done. Now you might have to remove 1 from the against vote :y
2021-02-19T22:54:51 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> acheam: is the plan to wait until the 24th and then announce results? if the vote is for a bdf[nl] is this poll sufficient to elect them?
2021-02-19T22:55:14 #kisslinux <acheam> yes and yes
2021-02-19T22:55:21 #kisslinux <acheam> if its close, we can hold a revote
2021-02-19T22:55:28 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> nice
2021-02-19T22:55:29 #kisslinux <acheam> but its pretty landslide at the momebt
2021-02-19T22:55:32 #kisslinux <necromansy> i dont imagine it will be close
2021-02-19T22:55:32 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah
2021-02-19T22:55:50 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> does it look like the answers are good enough quality
2021-02-19T22:55:51 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> oh nice
2021-02-19T22:56:25 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> will there be an exciting ceremony
2021-02-19T22:58:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> I hope the person I voted for wins :c
2021-02-19T22:58:54 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> that's the idea
2021-02-19T22:59:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmfao you got me
2021-02-19T23:35:46 #kisslinux <merakor> How many votes have been cast so far?
2021-02-19T23:42:45 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> acheam indicated ~66 responses so far
2021-02-19T23:43:10 #kisslinux <merakor> Wow, that is a lot
2021-02-19T23:43:16 #kisslinux <merakor> Nice
2021-02-19T23:44:30 #kisslinux <acheam> 73 right now!
2021-02-19T23:44:49 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> !!!
2021-02-19T23:45:06 #kisslinux <acheam> we could do a mumble call or smthng if people want
2021-02-19T23:45:32 #kisslinux <acheam> as a celebration/ceremony/discussing the future
2021-02-19T23:51:24 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> i imagine that could be fun.
2021-02-19T23:55:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> man I don't even know if the mic works on my laptop :S
2021-02-19T23:56:48 #kisslinux <merakor> dilyn: What about your victory speech then?
2021-02-19T23:56:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> f
2021-02-19T23:57:07 #kisslinux <merakor> tts it is
2021-02-19T23:57:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol