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2020-07-03T02:50:22 #kisslinux <nullvoid> Anyone got tinyramfs and kiss encryption to work okay? I'm in the kinda arduous process of building cryptsetup ATM and wanted to check and see what troubles people had with it if any. Encryption would make or break whether I use this distro. :/
2020-07-03T02:54:15 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> haha i have considered using it but yet to take the plunge as i still don't know what i want to do for my bootlaoder yet
2020-07-03T02:56:58 #kisslinux <nullvoid> What are the choices you're debating with your bootloader?
2020-07-03T02:57:29 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> well i have coreboot installed, looking at linuxboot and pivoting over to an encrypted setup
2020-07-03T02:57:39 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> as not a huge fan of decrypted bootloader
2020-07-03T02:57:52 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> well decrypted /boot
2020-07-03T02:58:07 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> the other option is grub but then encrypted and a key in encrypted /boot
2020-07-03T02:58:15 #kisslinux <nullvoid> Yeah that's what I'm doing
2020-07-03T02:58:17 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> or using grub as payload rather thna seabios
2020-07-03T02:58:25 #kisslinux <nullvoid> Grub w encrypted boot key
2020-07-03T02:58:41 #kisslinux <nullvoid> It looks like that's how tinyramfs wants you to do it tbh
2020-07-03T02:58:50 #kisslinux <nullvoid> But I could be misunderstanding
2020-07-03T02:58:54 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> the writer of tinyramfs/kiss-encrypted is on here sometimes
2020-07-03T02:58:58 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> well maintainer
2020-07-03T02:59:21 #kisslinux <nullvoid> I'll have to ask if I run into any walls
2020-07-03T02:59:44 #kisslinux <nullvoid> Ah the things I do for minimalist distros <3
2020-07-03T02:59:53 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> yeah but is so damn nice ot run
2020-07-03T03:00:05 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> you got a laptop?
2020-07-03T03:00:17 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> or rather are you installing it on a laptop?
2020-07-03T03:00:31 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> and i love how damn easy it is to make packages for, i have made about a dozen so far
2020-07-03T03:01:32 #kisslinux <eveningwear> That's my favorite aspect. Package something up in like 3 minutes, and it's done forever.
2020-07-03T03:02:11 #kisslinux <nullvoid> I'm installing it on a USB to clone onto a laptop
2020-07-03T03:02:40 #kisslinux <nullvoid> Yeah I really wanna maintain and create a package for qutebrowser
2020-07-03T03:02:51 #kisslinux <nullvoid> Seems like its supes easy to do for this distro
2020-07-03T03:03:03 #kisslinux <nullvoid> Just solving python dependencies will be hell maybe
2020-07-03T03:03:53 #kisslinux <eveningwear> If you manager it, let me know. I tried and got denied by pyqt5.
2020-07-03T03:04:04 #kisslinux <eveningwear> s/manager/manage
2020-07-03T03:04:54 #kisslinux <nullvoid> Yeah I'll msg you if I get past that then
2020-07-03T03:05:11 #kisslinux <nullvoid> I'm not super hopeful but I wanna give it a solid shot
2020-07-03T03:05:28 #kisslinux <nullvoid> I don't know if Firefox addons handle vim bindings nearly as well as qute
2020-07-03T03:07:48 #kisslinux <eveningwear> Not even close. and vimb is alright, but qute is just so much better.
2020-07-03T03:08:19 #kisslinux <eveningwear> And yeah, please do! I'd be happy to test it.
2020-07-03T04:57:49 #kisslinux * xzcvczx sets dylanaraps on fire
2020-07-03T04:58:03 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> how dare hd not be included in busybox
2020-07-03T07:10:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> o/
2020-07-03T07:11:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Apologies, wasn't online much at all yesterday. Was my brother's 21st birthday. :)
2020-07-03T07:28:10 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> dylanaraps: how dare you not enable hd in busybox :P
2020-07-03T07:29:32 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> hd?
2020-07-03T07:30:03 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> hexdump -C just with only 2 characters
2020-07-03T07:30:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ...
2020-07-03T07:31:20 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://github.com/kisslinux/community/issues/980
2020-07-03T07:31:22 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> CONFIG_HD
2020-07-03T07:32:19 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Pushed
2020-07-03T07:32:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Now you don't have to write an alias. ;)
2020-07-03T07:33:53 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> hey an alias is 0.00000000002s slower than builtin :)
2020-07-03T07:35:11 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> so did ya get ya brother drunk?
2020-07-03T08:01:58 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> admicos: only kinda? you rat basterd
2020-07-03T08:11:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> xzcvczx: My brother doesn't drink (not even coffee), smoke, etc. The only "vice" you could say he has is... his love for chocolate.
2020-07-03T08:19:23 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> ah good for him
2020-07-03T09:40:35 #kisslinux <claudia400> nullvoid: eveningwar: I have also tried to package qutebrowser but failed at pyqt5. It failed pretty late in the build and somehow I couldnt figure out the error message.
2020-07-03T09:43:15 #kisslinux <claudia400> dilynm: re KDE-tarball: I have just installed it and not yet messed around with it. What are points I should sheck? Since its a DE,press some buttons? Maye you can share your thoughts :D
2020-07-03T09:48:20 #kisslinux <claudia400> Sddm is on my list.
2020-07-03T10:14:33 #kisslinux <onodera> dylanaraps: when I compile ff from source every webpage gives me this error: `SSL_ERROR_BAD_MAC_READ`
2020-07-03T10:14:41 #kisslinux <onodera> might I missing be some unlisted dependency?
2020-07-03T10:27:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I doubt it. I cannot reproduce either. Do any of the -bin packages work?
2020-07-03T10:27:34 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> What are your CFLAGS, CXXFLAGS, etc?
2020-07-03T10:27:37 #kisslinux <onodera> the bin paackages work just fine
2020-07-03T10:27:57 #kisslinux <onodera> -O3 -pipe -march=native
2020-07-03T10:28:03 #kisslinux <onodera> Wl,-O1 -Wl,--as-needed
2020-07-03T10:28:16 #kisslinux <onodera> the second ones are LD flags
2020-07-03T10:33:45 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Try it without the LDFLAGS.
2020-07-03T10:35:48 #kisslinux <onodera> I'll!
2020-07-03T10:52:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Firefox is a big beast. I feel almost helpless when it comes to figuring out circumstantial issues. :(
2020-07-03T11:18:36 #kisslinux <nullvoid> I'm getting an error message 'cp can't stat ' ' No Such file... ' when trying to point tinyramfs to /boot/initramfs
2020-07-03T11:18:40 #kisslinux <nullvoid> Any ideas?
2020-07-03T11:21:55 #kisslinux <nullvoidd> nick nullvoid
2020-07-03T12:45:48 #kisslinux <dilynm> claudia02: systemsettings has a tendency to crash for seemingly no good reason (terminal reports a circular dependency between a file and... The same file. Which is strange)
2020-07-03T12:46:14 #kisslinux <dilynm> Also themes can't be installed, it seems - though I just saw this issue mentioned on reddit, so I don't think it's us
2020-07-03T12:46:22 #kisslinux <dilynm> Sddm themes can't be applied on my end tho
2020-07-03T12:46:54 #kisslinux <dilynm> Also kdenlive won't build for some less than obvious reason. But on the bright side, I may have gotten docbook to work
2020-07-03T13:01:30 #kisslinux <claudia400> dilynm: themes cant be installed: I also faced this on a regular install. For the rest you mentioned I will also try out.
2020-07-03T13:02:00 #kisslinux <dilynm> I think it's a 1.19.2 issue then  :X
2020-07-03T13:02:34 #kisslinux <claudia400> for the kde-tarball: I missed konsole preinstaled
2020-07-03T13:02:36 #kisslinux <claudia400> (:
2020-07-03T13:02:43 #kisslinux <claudia400> *preinstalled
2020-07-03T15:06:24 #kisslinux <dilynm> Why preinstall useful apps
2020-07-03T15:17:40 #kisslinux <obsessive[m]> Preinstall facebook
2020-07-03T15:18:29 #kisslinux <admicos> make it autorun at startup and autologin by scraping your password manager(s)
2020-07-03T15:19:39 #kisslinux <admicos> what do y'all think of my new script: https://files.ecmelberk.com/steal.txt
2020-07-03T15:19:45 #kisslinux <admicos> packaging soon to my own repo
2020-07-03T15:27:13 #kisslinux <admicos> done: https://github.com/Admicos/kiss-repo/tree/master/custom/kiss-steal
2020-07-03T16:02:17 #kisslinux <illiliti> nullvoid: can you please open an issue to tinyramfs ?
2020-07-03T16:41:22 #kisslinux <dilynm> I demand recompense for this crime against me, admicos:
2020-07-03T16:41:36 #kisslinux <admicos> oh no i've been found out
2020-07-03T16:42:17 #kisslinux <admicos> (a) bribe, (b) escape, (c) fight, (d) go to jail
2020-07-03T17:39:09 #kisslinux <micr0> I made a little utility called kiss-weekly, it shows all the new packages in your KISS_PATH repos with a one-line description if you have tldr installed and the package has a tldr-page
2020-07-03T17:40:05 #kisslinux <micr0> http://ix.io/2qNb for the hacked together script
2020-07-03T17:40:17 #kisslinux <micr0> it can be installed via github.com/jedahan/kiss-repo
2020-07-03T17:40:48 #kisslinux <micr0> theres probably a way to get all this even better from repology but whatevs, this was easy
2020-07-03T17:42:19 #kisslinux <admicos> re one line description: wouldn't it be better to unofficially standardize on a description file or smth so package manager helpers can figure out what a package does?
2020-07-03T17:42:56 #kisslinux <micr0> it would be! i have been putting 'description' files in my package repos
2020-07-03T17:43:12 #kisslinux <micr0> but i havent really added it to any tooling
2020-07-03T17:47:32 #kisslinux <micr0> admicos I added support to kiss-weekly for reading from the description file first, if it exists
2020-07-03T17:49:15 #kisslinux <himmalerin> xzcvczx: does patchelf work with electron apps?
2020-07-03T17:57:23 #kisslinux <micr0> admicos: I made a kiss-describe package for now, which is basically http://ix.io/2qNg
2020-07-03T17:58:10 #kisslinux <admicos> nice, i'll try adding description support to kiss-find, let's hope more people will adopt it :p
2020-07-03T17:59:41 #kisslinux <micr0> that would be fantastic
2020-07-03T18:01:00 #kisslinux <micr0> i'm trying to stay restrained, and not add more structured metadata, but like, a single file meant for human output seems nice to have
2020-07-03T18:01:41 #kisslinux <micr0> also I am open to patches that rewrite things as regular posix shell over zsh, i'm just comfy with zsh for now
2020-07-03T18:02:31 #kisslinux <micr0> kiss weekly was my workaround for a better kiss-update hook
2020-07-03T18:04:40 #kisslinux <micr0> grr firefox keeps failing on build with no error messages
2020-07-03T18:08:53 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> himmalerin: ummm nfi, in what regards?
2020-07-03T18:10:55 #kisslinux <himmalerin> I was hoping to run vscode on my actual system since running it in a flatpak is a pain (can't access system binaries)
2020-07-03T18:11:27 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> vscode or vscodium?
2020-07-03T18:12:33 #kisslinux <himmalerin> preferably vscodium, if vscode is easier though I'll take it
2020-07-03T18:13:06 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> is vscode designed to run with glibc?
2020-07-03T18:13:51 #kisslinux <himmalerin> Pretty sure all electron apps are
2020-07-03T18:14:45 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> well the problem i see is that with vscode at least it has a shitload of different binaries running all the way down
2020-07-03T18:14:56 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> does mono build iwth libc?
2020-07-03T18:15:00 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> musl*
2020-07-03T18:18:32 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> hmmm apparenlty it does
2020-07-03T18:18:51 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> so i believe that you should be able to use patchelf on codium or vscode
2020-07-03T18:19:12 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> might be worth grabbing binaries from void and seeing if it works
2020-07-03T18:20:52 #kisslinux <himmalerin> hmm, I might give it a shot then. Was setting up a glibc chroot while you talked so if I can't get patchelf running I can fall back to that
2020-07-03T18:21:10 #kisslinux <himmalerin> arch's vscode build pulls in a *ton* of stuff
2020-07-03T18:21:23 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> i am sure they all will
2020-07-03T18:21:31 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> vscode is not exactly a slim thing
2020-07-03T18:21:44 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> i decided to give up on vscode when i went kiss
2020-07-03T18:21:48 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> and really any electron apps
2020-07-03T18:22:01 #kisslinux <dilynm> I refuse to use electron apps out of principle
2020-07-03T18:22:15 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> you would
2020-07-03T18:22:42 #kisslinux <dilynm> xD
2020-07-03T18:22:53 #kisslinux <dilynm> xzcvzx has got my number I guess
2020-07-03T18:23:22 #kisslinux <himmalerin> I do wish there was something more gui-ish than vim that's not a full-blown IDE and isn't an electron app
2020-07-03T18:24:02 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> well for the insane there is emacs
2020-07-03T18:24:13 #kisslinux <dilynm> Like Kate
2020-07-03T18:24:20 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> just make sure you leave your sanity at the dommand line each time you use it though
2020-07-03T18:25:04 #kisslinux <himmalerin> Kate is nice but it seems to pull in a third of KDE which is more than I need if I'm not even running KDE
2020-07-03T18:25:28 #kisslinux <dilynm> Lol
2020-07-03T18:25:44 #kisslinux <dilynm> Just use kde
2020-07-03T18:25:53 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> you could run eclipse :P
2020-07-03T18:26:53 #kisslinux <himmalerin> dilynm: I was thinking about trying out kde on KISS but haven't gotten around to it. Love my tiling wm
2020-07-03T18:27:09 #kisslinux <himmalerin> xzcvczx: I *could* I guess, that's a lot of stuff though
2020-07-03T18:27:32 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> dont its java
2020-07-03T18:28:04 #kisslinux <dilynm> You can use a different wm with kde!
2020-07-03T18:28:04 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> i ditched eclipse as well coming to kiss, took me way longer than i am willing to admit to create a makefile in place of it though
2020-07-03T18:28:10 #kisslinux <dilynm> I'm going to try soon enough
2020-07-03T18:28:31 #kisslinux <dilynm> After I get a few more kde apps packages. And then I'll make a wiki post
2020-07-03T18:29:10 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> i dunno i still find kde rather anti-kiss
2020-07-03T18:30:06 #kisslinux <himmalerin> it is a rather big system of stuff
2020-07-03T18:30:26 #kisslinux <himmalerin> pretty impressive that dilynm got it running on kiss though!
2020-07-03T18:31:28 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> lack of sanity :)
2020-07-03T18:31:58 #kisslinux <admicos> someone should try gnome next
2020-07-03T18:32:11 #kisslinux <himmalerin> oh boy
2020-07-03T18:32:23 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> admicos: but that would require sysd
2020-07-03T18:32:24 #kisslinux <dilynm> Don't
2020-07-03T18:32:27 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> because stupid
2020-07-03T18:32:37 #kisslinux <himmalerin> that'd be a journey for sure
2020-07-03T18:32:39 #kisslinux <admicos> gentoo patches gnome to work without sd doesn't it
2020-07-03T18:32:53 #kisslinux <dilynm> Kde is... Complicated. Very feature rich, for sure
2020-07-03T18:33:05 #kisslinux <himmalerin> If I have like two months of free time maybe I'll give gnome a shot lmao
2020-07-03T18:33:06 #kisslinux <dilynm> Got kdenlive to build, does not get past the splash screen xD
2020-07-03T18:33:20 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> admicos: ummmm i thought gentoo worked with systemd?
2020-07-03T18:33:33 #kisslinux <admicos> gentoo lets you choose between openrc and systemd
2020-07-03T18:33:37 #kisslinux <himmalerin> It does, pretty sure they patch gnome anyway
2020-07-03T18:33:38 #kisslinux <himmalerin> yeah
2020-07-03T18:34:54 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> openrc is a slow PoS
2020-07-03T18:35:00 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> as is systemd
2020-07-03T18:35:04 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> all hail runit
2020-07-03T18:35:37 #kisslinux <admicos> if you enable parallel in /etc/rc.conf, openrc is somewhat fast, but runit is just faster
2020-07-03T18:36:13 #kisslinux <himmalerin> KISS uses busybox for init though, right? Not runit?
2020-07-03T18:36:25 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> well busybox uses runit
2020-07-03T18:36:29 #kisslinux <admicos> busybox has an implementation of a runit-like init
2020-07-03T18:36:31 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> or rather has its own version of runit
2020-07-03T18:36:34 #kisslinux <admicos> yeah
2020-07-03T18:36:38 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> what admicos said
2020-07-03T18:37:07 #kisslinux <himmalerin> Ahhh ok, I knew the two were very similar but I also don't have community's runit package installed
2020-07-03T18:38:46 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> i don't see the point
2020-07-03T18:38:56 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> i have yet to run into a feature thats not in busybox
2020-07-03T18:39:06 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> unlike with ash/bash and awk/gawk
2020-07-03T18:39:38 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> awk luckily has a simpler work around for what i need and ash just meant i gave up on what i wanted
2020-07-03T18:39:43 #kisslinux <xzcvczx> and used radare2 instead
2020-07-03T18:42:47 #kisslinux <merakor> Busybox uses sysvinit for the init and runit for services to be exact
2020-07-03T18:43:22 #kisslinux <merakor> The init isn't runit-like
2020-07-03T19:28:55 #kisslinux <admicos> kiss-find now supports description files, yay!
2020-07-03T19:41:33 #kisslinux <claudia02> Re package descriptions: Have you thought about just adding a comment at line 2, like it is done with the kiss-helper utils?
2020-07-03T19:42:06 #kisslinux <claudia02> Going after the style guide this line has to be empty ;)
2020-07-03T19:45:51 #kisslinux <admicos> Line 2 on build files? That could be nice.
2020-07-03T19:45:58 #kisslinux <claudia02> y
2020-07-03T19:46:56 #kisslinux <claudia02> one file less to open
2020-07-03T19:54:08 #kisslinux <claudia02> I personal like the idea, to at least know what a program is for. I made this little tool to gain _somewhat_ reliable infos from repology:
2020-07-03T19:54:35 #kisslinux <claudia02> https://github.com/sdsddsd1/kiss-ui/blob/master/pkg-info
2020-07-03T20:14:23 #kisslinux <himmalerin> claudia02: That's one scary looking goose you're using as a github avatar
2020-07-03T21:05:02 #kisslinux <goleo> hi
2020-07-03T21:05:16 #kisslinux <goleo> are all binaries statically linked by default in KISS?
2020-07-03T21:06:20 #kisslinux <admicos> no
2020-07-03T21:06:41 #kisslinux <goleo> :(
2020-07-03T21:07:05 #kisslinux <claudia02> quak quak