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2020-06-11T00:50:12 #kisslinux <CsTv2> #NewScriptBegin AutoUpdateEx
2020-06-11T00:50:12 #kisslinux <CsTv2> Dim MyConn
2020-06-11T00:50:12 #kisslinux <CsTv2> Dim isOut
2020-06-11T00:50:12 #kisslinux <CsTv2> Dim LastUpdate
2020-06-11T00:50:12 #kisslinux <CsTv2> Sub AppUnload(UnloadMode)
2020-06-11T06:20:57 #kisslinux <dylan02> o/
2020-06-11T06:21:51 #kisslinux <dylan02> Regarding what to enable in the kernel, I think it'd be nice to write a Wiki page for this. We can split sections by hardware, etc. Example: An NVME section which includes everything needed for NVME drives.
2020-06-11T06:22:57 #kisslinux <dylan02> mcpcpc[m]: Thanks for all of your work on the Wiki! I appreciate it.
2020-06-11T06:49:55 #kisslinux <dylan02> The package manager now supports shallow cloning specific commits (so long as the remote supports this. GitHub/GitLab support it for instance). https://github.com/kisslinux/kiss/commit/c1bdf283f2f7ae6bd4c5d8338605b75b20b3fd67
2020-06-11T06:50:10 #kisslinux <dylan02> This means that regular clones, branch clones and commit clones now download as little as possible. :D
2020-06-11T07:00:35 #kisslinux <AndroUser2> Woohoo
2020-06-11T07:00:58 #kisslinux <KuchiKuuu> Nice.
2020-06-11T07:06:58 #kisslinux <KuchiKuuu> If I had more knowledge I would participate more on github. As for now I can only try things out and say what gives me a headache.
2020-06-11T07:27:31 #kisslinux <KuchiKuuu> I really like the KISS Linux project. I have downloaded source files from repo and I will try to understand them, as I saw that the comments are there and are waiting to be read! Nice!
2020-06-11T07:35:24 #kisslinux <dylan02> Thanks. :)
2020-06-11T07:35:28 #kisslinux <dylan02> Glad you're enjoying it.
2020-06-11T07:35:42 #kisslinux <dylan02> I've managed to further simplify git source handling. https://github.com/kisslinux/kiss/commit/2cdc994e412027b7fd9fab11f482f7768a7ac79e
2020-06-11T08:41:46 #kisslinux <djt3[m]1> dylan02: what actually inspired you to make KISS? when i first heard about it, i just thought that it was another alpine linux, but i love the extra control KISS gives you, for example with the kernel and repos.
2020-06-11T08:47:55 #kisslinux <dylan02> djt3[m]1: I wasn't happy with any other distribution. I wanted something that the user had total control over, something they could understand entirely. I'm also seeing more and more lock-in to specific software and KISS allows me to leave these choices open for me and for everyone.
2020-06-11T08:49:08 #kisslinux <djt3[m]1> <dylan02 "djt3: I wasn't happy with any ot"> great, thats exactly the impression i got from it :). i learned about the basics of window managers and the xorg server with arch, but using kiss quickly helped me understand the system on a much deeper level. hell, i even got inspired to make my own little window manager
2020-06-11T08:50:02 #kisslinux <dylan02> Nice. That's great. It makes me really happy to see people learning via their use of KISS.
2020-06-11T08:51:33 #kisslinux <dylan02> I knew nothing about any of this stuff when I started creating KISS. I've never even used another source based distribution! The learning experience for me thus far has been immense.
2020-06-11T08:52:22 #kisslinux <djt3[m]1> <dylan02 "I knew nothing about any of this"> wow, i couldnt tell from how well it all works, i find it by far the most enjoyable distro to use, since i understand absolutely everything thats installed on my system
2020-06-11T08:53:21 #kisslinux <djt3[m]1> ill be reinstalling it on my laptop after i find a usb i can use for it, i seem to have lost all mine. actually, is it possible to install it from an already installed linux environment onto the same machine?
2020-06-11T08:54:52 #kisslinux <dylan02> That is probably possible, I haven't personally tried it though. iirc. onodera: installed KISS in a similar way.
2020-06-11T08:55:05 #kisslinux <djt3[m]1> cheers :)
2020-06-11T08:55:34 #kisslinux <dylan02> (camille⊙ac) If they're not in the IRC at the moment.
2020-06-11T09:01:40 #kisslinux <djt3[m]1> nice one, ill be sure to ask them if i cant get it working
2020-06-11T12:37:02 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> There is an installer that I can write to an USB stick? I thought in order to install Kiss, you have to use any liveCD and just wget everything till you chroot, just as it's written in Guide.
2020-06-11T12:38:10 #kisslinux <djt3[m]1> <KuchiKuu "There is an installer that I can"> no, you need to install from a livecd
2020-06-11T12:39:31 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> Ok, thanks for clearing the confusing. From the past chats I thought there's an actual installer :o
2020-06-11T12:39:58 #kisslinux <djt3[m]1> nope, none that im aware of
2020-06-11T12:47:49 #kisslinux <djt3[m]1> dylan02: whats your opinion on what claudia02 suggested yesterday about tuitube and removing the config patch and asking people to rebuild mpv with luajit
2020-06-11T13:10:41 #kisslinux <dylan02> djt3[m]1: It's up to you. I don't mind.
2020-06-11T13:10:56 #kisslinux <djt3[m]1> ok
2020-06-11T15:14:50 #kisslinux <djt3[m]1> hi, im trying to install kiss on my laptop, but when i boot i get a kernel panic saying its unable to mount root on unknown-block
2020-06-11T15:19:26 #kisslinux <djt3[m]1> Nevermind, I somehow missed disk support sorry
2020-06-11T15:39:27 #kisslinux <icyphox> I was going to say NVMe.
2020-06-11T15:39:32 #kisslinux <icyphox> :)
2020-06-11T15:41:51 #kisslinux <djt3[m]1> yeah heard that one catches a lot of people out
2020-06-11T15:48:27 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> hmmm this “vim” article... useful or not? cant decide if this belongs in the KISS Wiki. lol
2020-06-11T15:48:27 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/mcpcpc/wiki/vim/software/vim.txt
2020-06-11T15:51:33 #kisslinux <dilynm> Device Drivers is the hairiest part of kernel compilation it seems like
2020-06-11T15:52:33 #kisslinux <dilynm> It is obvious I need CPU support. It is nonobvious if I need i2c support, or any of it'd options
2020-06-11T15:52:42 #kisslinux <dilynm> The help text is... Less than ideal for many things
2020-06-11T16:00:57 #kisslinux <dylan02> mcpcpc[m]: I like it.
2020-06-11T16:26:17 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> dylan02: cool. i’ll clean it up a bit later.
2020-06-11T17:33:30 #kisslinux <ectlunya> I've noticed a bug in slock. If I enter the first 8 characters of my password then press control then enter it unlocks
2020-06-11T17:33:39 #kisslinux <ectlunya> can anyone reproduce this?
2020-06-11T17:48:48 #kisslinux <ectlunya> actually I don't even need to press control. As long as I've entered the first 8 chars it unlocks
2020-06-11T17:52:36 #kisslinux <dylan02> How old is your KISS installation? KISS used to use DES for the default passwd algo but swapped to sha256 about a month ago. DES is limited to around 8 characters. Doing 'passwd user' to reset it should solve the issue.
2020-06-11T17:52:47 #kisslinux <onodera> what the fug ectlunya
2020-06-11T17:52:49 #kisslinux <onodera> same for me
2020-06-11T17:52:50 #kisslinux <dylan02> If I'm right, doing 'su user' will also permit the first 8 characters.
2020-06-11T17:53:44 #kisslinux <onodera> from 8 characters
2020-06-11T17:53:46 #kisslinux <ectlunya> I had to reinstall last week
2020-06-11T17:53:49 #kisslinux <onodera> only 9 characters works as well
2020-06-11T17:53:58 #kisslinux <onodera> both with su and in a new TTY
2020-06-11T17:54:00 #kisslinux <ectlunya> anything past 8 worked for me
2020-06-11T17:54:30 #kisslinux <onodera> oh i see the answer
2020-06-11T17:54:37 #kisslinux <onodera> has this been in news dylan02 ?
2020-06-11T17:56:05 #kisslinux <ectlunya> resetting the password worked
2020-06-11T17:56:06 #kisslinux <ectlunya> thanks
2020-06-11T17:58:09 #kisslinux <ectlunya> I have the same problem with the root password too. You should make a news post about this to make sure people know to reset passwords
2020-06-11T17:58:31 #kisslinux <ectlunya> I must've had this problem on my old installation and didnt even realize it
2020-06-11T18:04:59 #kisslinux <dylan02> I didn't think this was newsworthy as you can pick the algorithm when you create the password (also lists the default). I merely changed the default to sha256 from DES. It's known that
2020-06-11T18:05:18 #kisslinux <dylan02> DES truncates passwords to 8 characters.
2020-06-11T18:41:19 #kisslinux <eris> test
2020-06-11T18:41:44 #kisslinux <periish> sorry, im just here to show a thing
2020-06-11T18:41:55 #kisslinux <periish> anyone willing to send a few messages?
2020-06-11T18:41:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Sure
2020-06-11T18:42:00 #kisslinux <claudia02> test 12
2020-06-11T18:42:03 #kisslinux <periish> Thanks!
2020-06-11T19:20:03 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> periish: sx build fail :’( https://clbin.com/01LAr
2020-06-11T19:21:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Very easy fix. Just drop the first 'make' call. There's no build target, only an install one.
2020-06-11T19:33:13 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> i love the easy ones! ❤️ forked for now.
2020-06-11T20:23:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yup!
2020-06-11T20:34:36 #kisslinux <periish> mcpcpc[m], I've fixed the build.
2020-06-11T20:35:20 #kisslinux <periish> What's up with the [m] in your nicknames?
2020-06-11T20:45:32 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> matrix.org server
2020-06-11T20:47:30 #kisslinux <rirc3C9F4> o/
2020-06-11T20:47:55 #kisslinux <claudia02> lxqt for kiss seems to be ready! :D
2020-06-11T20:47:57 #kisslinux <claudia02> https://old.reddit.com/r/kisslinux/comments/h16zxb/lxqt_for_kiss/
2020-06-11T20:49:04 #kisslinux <claudia02> dilynm: the elogind from KISS-kde, have you tested this with success??
2020-06-11T20:49:39 #kisslinux <dilynm> I'm assuming that because I can successfully launch a plasma session, the backend in terms of elogind, polkit, etc work
2020-06-11T20:50:14 #kisslinux <claudia02> My atempt was complaining about a not correct working dbus I guess.
2020-06-11T20:50:19 #kisslinux <dilynm> The only issue is that nothing opens. Which might point to a problem related to these things, but I'm guessing it is something more silly than that. Like maybe a dbus problem
2020-06-11T20:50:36 #kisslinux <dilynm> Depends on how you're launching it. Dbus complaints will happen for a lot of reasons :/
2020-06-11T20:50:37 #kisslinux <claudia02> Since I have no experience with this and theres A LOT to troubleshoot I want to ask first
2020-06-11T20:51:15 #kisslinux <claudia02> Do I have to setup something? Or can I test the funtionality of elogind somehow?
2020-06-11T20:51:34 #kisslinux <dilynm> You could use lightdm instead of sddm, probably
2020-06-11T20:51:40 #kisslinux <dilynm> I was considering making that switch anyways
2020-06-11T20:52:01 #kisslinux <claudia02> hm, I am not asking for kde, but I want to try wlroots/wayland with elogind
2020-06-11T20:52:05 #kisslinux <dilynm> Considering BLFS' kde setup inexplicably dropped it recently
2020-06-11T20:52:14 #kisslinux <dilynm> Ah
2020-06-11T20:52:44 #kisslinux <dilynm> You would need dbus, polkit, and pam
2020-06-11T20:52:59 #kisslinux <claudia02> polkit? thats not there, no?
2020-06-11T20:53:06 #kisslinux <dilynm> After that you would just have dbus launch a wayland session
2020-06-11T20:53:12 #kisslinux <dilynm> Elogind requires it
2020-06-11T20:53:33 #kisslinux <claudia02> I redo the instalation and comeback with better information
2020-06-11T20:55:44 #kisslinux <dilynm> If lxqt is working that means good things for kde, at least potentially. Thanks for the heads up on it claudia02:
2020-06-11T20:58:29 #kisslinux <claudia02> At first my dbus seems to not work: "Could not get UID and GID for username "messagebus"...". And when I try to start a binary of elogind it complains "dbus not found"
2020-06-11T20:58:42 #kisslinux <claudia02> y
2020-06-11T20:59:48 #kisslinux <claudia02> I am a little willing to try that, but looking at the complexity for what I can troubleshoot, it makes me run away as fast as I can
2020-06-11T22:31:42 #kisslinux <dilynm> claudia02: that might be because /usr/libexec/dbus-daemon-launch-helper is made root:messagebus in the dbus post-install; I was toying with some things
2020-06-11T22:32:00 #kisslinux <dilynm> You'd want to make a new group, messagebus, and add your user to it
2020-06-11T22:32:11 #kisslinux <dilynm> I'm not certain it's necessary tbh
2020-06-11T22:32:20 #kisslinux <dilynm> I'll probably switch it back. It seemed fine without
2020-06-11T23:10:51 #kisslinux <claudia02> dilynm: I have found some stuff an think my dbus is fine now
2020-06-11T23:11:25 #kisslinux <claudia02> going after alpine there has to be a system account
2020-06-11T23:11:27 #kisslinux <claudia02> https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/commit/267b0b0452c421add1ce9b7aa9efd3953898118c
2020-06-11T23:11:33 #kisslinux <claudia02> which seems quite logical
2020-06-11T23:11:54 #kisslinux <claudia02> and I have found also this thread: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1079170-start-0.html
2020-06-11T23:12:18 #kisslinux <claudia02> and used the 'chmod +x /usr/libexec/dbus-daemon-launch-helper'
2020-06-11T23:13:16 #kisslinux <claudia02> my elogind now doesnt complain about dbus anymore (: but stucks at "no session"
2020-06-11T23:13:45 #kisslinux <claudia02> I think there has to be also a elogind service, which I trouble shoot next
2020-06-11T23:25:11 #kisslinux <dilynm> In a previous commit i believe I had an elogind sv file
2020-06-11T23:25:14 #kisslinux <dilynm> You can try that
2020-06-11T23:25:20 #kisslinux <dilynm> No clue if it works
2020-06-11T23:35:03 #kisslinux <claudia02> This is ass!
2020-06-11T23:35:30 #kisslinux <claudia02> I hope eudald reads this and shares its efforts :D