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This is a direct response to both:
gemini://dimension.sh/~textmonger/2023-07-02-01-pulling-out-the-mental-roots.gmi
gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~stack/gemlog/2023-07-01.freedom.gmi
I'll be replying directly to Stack's post as Textmonger's reply is more just directly in "here here!" and not adding much besides "I too am totally missing the point". So you too should really think about what you agreed with and how its probably the worst take on this entire protocol. That includes adding tables to gemtext.
Content Warning: You both may just wanna skip over this. It's clear from Stack's post he sees a queer person, or even a black person, speaking frankly about the oppressions they do and will face as whining liberal bullshit. So you'll likely see this the same. You can skip to the last line. As it's a TL;DR.
Both of these posts entirely miss the point of everything they're arguing for. Yes, in an ideal world none of these things should need to exist or matter. Of course if everyone was actual equal we wouldn't need step ladders for racial and sexual minorities to try and give them (us) a leg up. No one, in the history of the world, is arguing that point.
That said, I think they are entirely correct in allowing people to run their business and choose whom they want to work for.
No. Because yeah, for a wedding website it seems trivial and stupid. But for a bank? For a doctor? For a pharmacy. This affects every business as it strips away, chips away, at our rights as LGBTQIA+ folk. Soon my pharmacy may feel filling my HRT prescription is violating their religious freedom and now I'm screwed. There aren't enough queer people to put them out of business. But I'm in a historically very christian area of my city. So I may not be able to find ANY pharmacy. And without HRT I'm dead. See how this works?
The market
Get fucked.
because you cannot fight oppressors with equal but opposite OPPRESSION.
Cool I am glad simply saying "it's unfair for businesses to claim religion as a defense when it means taking away my ability to do things. Cool, I'm glad my existence is so oppressive.
so hate me if you want.
At least you're self aware to know you're an ass.
stop being full of shit.
I can't buy laxatives anymore because my pharmacy refuses to serve me.
Your idea of what's right is not necessarily right, and in any event, no one should be forced to do what they don't want
Okay, so because someone is uncomfortable with my existence. That's okay. But I can get turned away. What about me in this situation? I should be forced to shop elsewhere because I'm fucking trans? It's a fucking transaction.
Not making a website for an imaginary gay couple is not something to talk about
You're right. It isn't. It should've NEVER made it to the courts to begin with. But its not about a fake web designer. It's about what message it sends and what rights it takes away.
As long as I am at it, screw affirmative action.
Cool.
Instead of separating ourselves into groups with pronouns (inviting friction)
I am glad my existence causes friction. I am glad a simple "she" is so much to ask I don't deserve rights.
we should work on integrating the society. Not by fiat, but by being good to each other.
1. what do you think we're trying to fucking do?
2. So much by leading by example, asshole.
Creating new arbitrary gender divides
BRO. These aren't arbitrary. They're our FUCKING IDENTITY. JESUS FUCK, you don't get it man. Stop talking. It's embarrassing. Someone being gender, or trans, or non-binary isn't FOR YOU. ITS NOT FOR THE FUCKING CIS HETS. It's for ME. It's for them. It's for xem. It's for us to clearly communicate ourselves. Don't you get how othering this is. You claim to ask for a level playing field. And ideal world where we shouldn't feel the need to have to draw this little carve outs. But what you've created is alienating every single person. We formed these societies because we want to express ourselves. We want to understand ourselves.
Maybe there is a smarter way to accomplish integration that than sticking out like a proverbial sore thumb.
So either you see trans people as a dude in a dress or you simply mean that by saying "My pronouns are they/them" regardless of our visual presentation this is just othering ourselves? If it's the former: read a fucking book. If its the latter: See above. But also what do you suggest, wise one, just use he/she? do we remove all pronouns? How do I refer to you. Are you just Stack? So stack, stack said stack wants no more pronouns. But can stack see how this doesn't fucking work. So then Steph has to go by something. Else entirely third person speech is horrible in this language. Let's create a new language with no more genders with no more pronouns, with everything equal. But I'm still me? I still am trans. I am still a woman. And some bigot (i.e you) will see me and feel like "eww, Steph doesn't deserve to shop here".
I feel for Black Lives
No you don't
Black Lives Matter slogan is a fucking moron
Tell me a better name for their cause. This is clear and to the point. No other way to clearly state "Stop killing Black people" or even more generally "Start treating Black people like fucking humans" no matter what you fucking do you have to clearly isolate "This is about shinning the light on black oppression, black exclusive, black killings, especially by police. All the injustices against black people in our society. "Stop injustices against Black people" ... "well what about WHITE injustices?" See. Once you make any exclusionary statement you've effectively invited some racist troll to whataboutism.
Sometimes I think the goal is just to incite violence, create general mayhem and make some groups feel more 'relevant' without actually accomplishing anything.
I'm glad you saved the worst take for last. I don't think I would've been able to read past this post if this was up front.
Stack, thank you for showing your true colors. I am happy to hate you. You may think you're enlightened and we're the real problem. But you're the problem. You're the (supposedly) left-center dude who feels that arguing ideals is better than facing the realities of the past and present. Every single policy that has been overturned is meant to help us and is being stripped away one by one. These clearly don't affect you and I'll be here for when your rights get stripped away for being slightly different than these oppressive bigots. I'll extend my hand, because we should be in this fucking fight together.
I shouldn't feed the trolls but I hope you can see why this fucking matters and how if you get your head out of the clouds you can read the writing on the wall. You've actively stated that so many of your fellow geminauts don't actually matter to you. And how you wished they would just assimilate into your world so you don't have to see or think about us. Even if you feel you don't believe that to be the case you should reconsider your thoughts. Because every single thing you said above showed me that. Showed my you not only don't understand me. You don't understand the systemic oppression faced by black people. You don't get it at all. Hopefully you do get it. But yeah. Glad to know I'm unwelcome.
Thanks for taking the wrong side. Fuck you.
Do not email me. I don't care.