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(Ancient) thoughts about an occasional piece of some specific type of Christian advice for atheists: Pray Sinner’s Prayers, profess a pre-emptive willingness to surrender to God, after participating in an evangelical fundamentalist forum for too long some time around 2010 (I’m guessing).

It’s hard to give yourself over to anything when you’re not aware of an anything that you’d trust to manage you correctly—or even just to understand where you’re coming from. It’s especially hard when you’re supposed to give yourself over to an unknown: You can’t question that unknown; you can’t even learn about it by quietly observing it: because it won’t become real to you until you’ve already given yourself over to it. All you have to go by, then, are your own and other people’s ideas. And many of these people may well be opposed to your way of life, your values, even your sense of humour or taste in art or music. You’re asked to jump into a shark-infested ocean in the hope that there’s a magical mermaid kingdom (never a democracy) waiting for you.

You may even be asked to start your relationship with Jesus with a lie: by pretending to believe what you don’t. Even if I desperately wanted it all to be real, I’m not sure I could just claim to believe it is. “I don’t quite understand how your death could have been anything other than the spilling of innocent blood, but I believe you died for me
 also, I’m an atheist.”—that doesn’t work, does it? Doesn’t God know our hearts and minds already: all our reasons for desiring him (or not), our hang-ups, our needs and what we believe our needs to be?

And why is it necessary to deliberately turn yourself over to Christianity, to a particular doctrine, rather than profess honest ignorance and seek, open-mindedly, whatever’s out there—be it compatible with an existing religion or not?

Oh, it might be an ingenious trick to weed out all the half-hearted—but it might also be an admission that God has to be believed into existence, helped along in this case by the sheer scope and absoluteness of Christianity: from childhood on religious ideas seeped into your brain, attaching themselves to concepts like purpose, immortality, redemption, salvation, sin, and guilt. Given the superlative psychological heaviness of the subject matter, would it be especially surprising if it effected considerable changes in our lives even without there being a genuine deity at work behind it?

Toying with Christianity is not like speculating about Santa, Snow-White, Sauron, or other “minor deities” that’re, in the end, people, too. You haven’t come to make them a nest at the roots of your understanding of (say) morality. Their judgment is not undisputable. Not even the devil, scary as he may be (if believed in), has this clout. The devil, we all know, isn’t “right by definition”. It’s not a sin to resist the devil.

As for other religions: Hinduism, Taoism, Islam, Wicca, Buddhism et al. may all encapsulate interesting philosophies or lesson—but the “capsules” themselves, the religions, haven’t had the chance to penetrate and shape most receptive, growing western minds. Usually, their teachings had to pass through an at least adolescent layer of healthy skepticism.

When even poking tame, known-to-be-fictional dragons might well wake something (especially in excited/trancey/dreamy/otherwise altered states)
 how much more careful would you then have to be with that which many people tell you is both very real and not-to-be-argued-with right every single time?

Uncertainty in the absence of direct experience is fertile ground for fundie-ism. Simply put, you run the risk of generating a spook within your mind, fed with preconceptions. I might—for example—consciously disagree that punishment-after-death is righteous in and of itself. I might consciously think that understanding, forgiveness, prevention, reparation, rehabilitation, redemption are where it’s at. But can I be sure? Isn’t it safer to assume the worst?

Shouldn’t that which is there be there without me fleshing it out myself, without describing it in words I’ve learned but dislike?