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>>> WELCOME TO THE LAMP! <<<
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THE BEST OF THE A2 BULLETIN BOARD ON Syndicomm Online
AND THE BEST OF THE DELPHI A2 AND A2PRO MESSAGE BOARDS
"Teaching the Apple II user how to fish since 1998"
THE LAMP SALUTES - APPLE II ACHIEVEMENT, 2001
by Ryan M. Suenaga, B.A., M.S.W., L.S.W.
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The Lamp! An Onipa'a Software Production Vol. 5, No. 1
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Publisher................................Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W.
Editor.....................................................Lyle Syverson
Internet Email, Publisher.........................thelamp@sheppyware.net
Internet Email, Editor................................lyle@FoxValley.net
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TABLE OF CONTENTS
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January 15, 2002
HIGH ABOVE THE ROCK RIVER---------------------------------------------[OPN]
New Destinations in the City
New Destinations Online
THE LAMP SALUTES------------------------------------------------------[TLS]
Apple II Achievement, 2001
A2 FORUM AT Syndicomm Online (A2Central.com) DISTILLATIONS
Translating Email in Another Language----------------------------[TAL]
The Delphi A2 File Libraries Available Here on Syndicomm---------[DFL]
Treasure Hunting the Thrift Stores-------------------------------[THT]
Problems Setting up ROM3 IIgs------------------------------------[PSU]
Magic Routing - Installing System Software on the IIgs-----------[MRT]
3270 Emulation for the Apple II?---------------------------------[TEA]
Apple II Files For Download From a WEB Site----------------------[AFD]
Style Sheets on WEB Sites----------------------------------------[SSW]
Keyboards For the IIgs - More Discussion-------------------------[KMD]
The Sound of an Apple II 5.25" Drive in Windows?-----------------[ADW]
Controlling the SCSI ID of Hard Drive----------------------------[CSI]
Alternative to the Small Jumpers Needed to Set HD SCSI ID--------[ASJ]
Firmware Sometimes Used to Control SCSI ID of HD-----------------[FSU]
Anti-Spam Technique----------------------------------------------[AST]
Current Version of Sweet16 for BeOS Likely the Final Version-----[CVF]
ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM SYNDICOMM
All Syndicomm Online Forums on the New Bulletin Board Software---[NBS]
Syndicommotion, the New Syndicomm Online Newsletter--------------[SON]
New Prices for Syndicomm Online----------------------------------[NPS]
New Enhancements for Syndicomm Online----------------------------[NES]
Chat Via The WEB Comes to Syndicomm Online-----------------------[CVW]
Role Playing Games Forum and MUD on Syndicomm Online-------------[RPG]
DELPHI A2 DISTILLATIONS
Connecting a IIgs to a PC Using Marinetti------------------------[GPM]
Accessing Delphi With Your Apple II------------------------------[ADA]
LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
No Letters to the Editor This Month------------------------------[NLE]
An Invitation----------------------------------------------------[LTE]
KFEST 2002
Plan Ahead for K-Fest 2002---------------------------------------[PAK]
Happy New Year and THINK K-FEST----------------------------------[THF]
EXTRA INNINGS
About The Lamp! ------------------------------------------------ [INN]
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READING THE LAMP! The index system used by The Lamp! is designed to make
""""""""""""""""" your reading easier. To use this system, load this
issue into any word processor or text editor. In the index you will find
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HIGH ABOVE THE ROCK RIVER |
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From The Editor
"""""""""""""""
by Lyle Syverson <lyle@FoxValley.net>
New Destinations in the City
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High Above The Rock River a brilliant scarlet color illuminates a
small cluster of clouds at dawn. The streets are outlined with trails of
headlights... and taillights. People are rushing to factories, stores,
service stations, banks, etc. Some of these people be going to a new
destination... a place that they didn't know existed until recently.
New Destinations Online
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A new online publication, Syndicommotion, has been started. This
newsletter will keep people informed about the new areas and services that
are being added to the constantly growing Syndicomm Online. See the
Announcements from Syndicomm section of this issue of _The Lamp!_ for
details.
[EOA]
[TLS]------------------------------
THE LAMP SALUTES |
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APPLE II ACHIEVEMENT, 2001
""""""""""""""""""""""""""
by Ryan M. Suenaga, B.A., M.S.W., L.S.W.
[rsuenaga@a2central.com]
MAY I HAVE THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
2001 was a great year for the Apple II, and to celebrate it, the gang
here at _The Lamp!_ consulted with some of our buddies in the Apple II
world and came up with a list of the best that the Apple II world had to
offer in 2001. We again highlight the best of Apple II achievement.
Keep in mind that the ultimate decision on whom each award went to was
made strictly by the staff here at _The Lamp!_, namely, me, your editor and
publisher. Any comments can be directed to rsuenaga@a2central.com.
BEST COMMERCIAL PRODUCT: There were just a few contenders, but the
"""""""""""""""""""""""" winners this year are a couple of great
Apple II CD ROM compilations. _Juiced.GS_ followed up its stunning
_Friends for Life_ CD ROM with _Friends II_, making its debut at KansasFest
2001. A few seats down from Max Jones of _Juiced.GS_ was Ken Gagne of
_Gamebits_ with the multimedia file collection called _Espirit de Apple
Corps_, a collection of sound and graphic files as well as the an Apple
IIgs port of a classic game program we'll talk about in a bit.
BEST SHAREWARE PRODUCT: The Man Down Under, Australia's Kim Howe,
""""""""""""""""""""""" has been one of the most prolific Apple II
programmers of recent years. His _Telnet NDA_ New Desk Accessory makes
opening telnet connections a breeze, and has become one of the best ways to
chat on Syndicomm.com. Kim got my shareware fee, as well as some others.
BEST FREEWARE PRODUCT: We have a tie, but the clear winner in all
"""""""""""""""""""""" of this are Apple IIgs users. _Spectrum_
author Ewen Wannop added one more script based program to his long list
with _Spectrum Automated File Exchange_, aka _SAFE_. _SAFE_ brings a
graphical user interface to Apple IIgs File Transfer Protocol (FTP) for the
first time ever. Our second winner is an Apple IIgs version of the classic
game _Hammurabi_, the first publicly released Apple IIgs program of
aspiring programmer Thomas Compter, offering hours of fun for everyone.
BEST WORLD WIDE WEB SITE: A2Central.com. 'Nuff said.
""""""""""""""""""""""""
BEST PUBLICATION: Juiced.GS. 'Nuff said again.
"""""""""""""""""
OUTSTANDING APPLE II RELATED DEVELOPMENT: While some may feel that
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" it's the Apple II version
of the Borg, Syndicomm rescued several Apple II products from extinction or
at least copyright limbo. Eric Shepherd spent the early part of the summer
burning up the email circuit and when KansasFest 2001 was said and done,
products from EGO Systems, Parkhurst Micro Products, Ross Falconer, Byte
Works, APDA, and _Juiced.GS_ were all under (or soon to be) the Syndicomm
logo. Hope that logo's printed broadly, because the Apple II world is now
largely on Syndicomm's shoulders.
OUTSTANDING INDIVIDUAL ACHIEVEMENT: Once again, we have a tie. The
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Man behind the development of
Syndicomm.com, David Miller, has put in countless hours to get the
fledgling online service running like a champ, providing the Apple II
community a permanent online home. And in Indiana, Max Jones not only put
out the best Apple II publication of recent vintage, when he decided he
couldn't do it anymore, he made sure that it found a home rather than rode
off into the sunset. Thanks, Dave and Max.
Congratulations to all our winners! Here's hoping that 1999 brings
out the best in all of us again.
[EOA]
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[EOA]
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DISTILLATIONS FROM The A2 FORUM at Syndicomm.com |
(A2Central.com) |
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by Lyle Syverson <lyle@foxvalley.net>
[TAL]
TRANSLATING EMAIL IN ANOTHER LANGUAGE
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
I recently received an email in French. A friend has translated it for me,
but I need someone to help me compose a reply. Could someone here take a
brief message in English and translate it for me?
-Ken
(KGAGNE, Cat 2, Top 8, Msg 259)
>>>>>
"""""
In a pinch, you can use Babelfish (babelfish.altavista.com) -- the
translations are crude but get the point across.
Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.com
Owner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com
Building communities, bit by bit.
(SYNDICOMM, Cat 2, Top 8, Msg 260)
>>>>>
"""""
Sheppy,
I didn't know about that site. What an amazingly handy tool! You're
right, it's not fluent (computers aren't at the point of understanding
context, etc.) but with some playing around, it's easy enough to get a
working translation. I found that if I let Altavista translate my message
from English to French and back to English, if it still made sense, then I
was good.
Thanks!
-Ken
(KGAGNE, Cat 2, Top 8, Msg 261)
[EOA]
[DFL]
THE DELPHI A2 FILE LIBRARIES AVAILABLE HERE ON SYNDICOMM
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Hello,
I had uploaded to Delphi two programs I wrote: Sedistic and Maxster. I've
discovered my own copies of these files are corrupted, and I'm not sure I
have others. Are the Delphi libraries available anywhere, or does anyone
have these files?
Thanks,
-Ken
(KGAGNE, Cat 2, Top 9, Msg 26)
>>>>>
"""""
The Delphi file libraries for A2 were duplicated here; look in the
delphi_archive folder (or whatever it's called) in the A2 library.
Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.com
Owner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com
Building communities, bit by bit.
(SYNDICOMM, Cat 2, Top 9, Msg 27)
>>>>>
"""""
Sheppy,
Wow! I didn't know that. I found the files I was looking for easily
enough.
Thanks!
-Ken
(KGAGNE, Cat 2, Top 9, Msg 28)
[EOA]
[THT]
TREASURE HUNTING THE THRIFT STORES
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Treasure hunting the "thrift" stores...
The local Salvation Army recently set up a new thrift store and turned the
old thrift store into an "as is" store. The "as is" store has a lot of old
computer items.
Some of my buys to date include:
Apple 3.5 flop. drive-$5, System Saver IIgs-$5,
2 external SCSI CD-ROM drives-$10 each,
Mac computer-$5 (for the hard drive and CD-ROM drive)
Tried to start a conversation with the guy buying 6 IBM clones as to what
he was using them for... he didn't want to talk. :)
Lots of turnover of that computer stuff... Have to check back often.
Lyle Syverson <lyle@FoxValley.net> Editor, _The Lamp!_
published monthly on the WEB at: <http://lamp.a2central.com/>
(LYLE, Cat 3, Top 2, Msg 98)
>>>>>
"""""
The Salvation Army in my area doesn't have a thrift store that is open to
the public. Don't know why. They just don't. It would be a money maker for
them. Go figure. There are other thrift stores, however. Have never seen
any Apple II equipment in them. Sometimes a Mac or two appear. That's it.
I have, however, made out rather well at the local recycling center over
the past year or so. They have what they call the 'electronics trailer'
that one can browse through. It's great. I have picked up a number of A2
items over the past two years, including about half of the system that I am
using right now. It's amazing how one person's junk becomes another's
treasure. <G>
Barry Rees
brees@syndicomm.com
(BREES, Cat 3, Top 2, Msg 99)
>>>>>
"""""
There are several different thrift stores here, some parts of chains
(Savers, Salvation Army, Goodwill), some parts of churches or missions.
They have always been pretty good for Apple II stuff and sometimes other
things. I have gotten quite a few GS's, some Macs, and some other things
there.
Ryan
(A2.RYAN, Cat 3, Top 2, Msg 100)
>>>>>
"""""
You guys are lucky. All the thrift stores I've ever been in seem to
specialize in old clothes :) Actually, there is a computer/electronic/etc
recycle store that I should check out some day.
Kelvin
(KWS, Cat 3, Top 2, Msg 101)
[EOA]
[PSU]
PROBLEMS SETTING UP ROM3 IIgs
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
I'm trying to set up my "new" ROM3. It boots up with a text screen that
lists the components as they are added. I want the graphic boot so I can
use Opening Line and see all the icons. What's going on? There should be
enough memory.
TIA - There will be more questions later.
Margaret
(MARGARET, Cat 7, Top 7, Msg 5)
>>>>>
"""""
This screen appears if you press a key early in the boot process. Sounds
like the computer thinks a key is being hit.
Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.com
Owner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com
Building communities, bit by bit.
(SYNDICOMM, Cat 7, Top 7, Msg 6)
>>>>>
"""""
Thanks. I tried cleaning out the keyboard and it boots fine now. Is there
anything I need to know about moving stuff like RamFast and Zip card to a
ROM3 computer? I do know some software (FTA demos etc) won't work.
Thanks again
Margaret
(MARGARET, Cat 7, Top 7, Msg 7)
>>>>>
"""""
>> Is there anything I need to know about moving stuff like RamFast and Zip
card to a ROM3 computer? <<
Shouldn't be any real problems.
Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.com
Owner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com
Building communities, bit by bit.
(SYNDICOMM, Cat 7, Top 7, Msg 8)
[EOA]
[MRT]
MAGIC ROUTING - INSTALLING SYSTEM SOFTWARE ON THE IIgs
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Speaking of Magic Routing, I recall that it works on the first attempt, but
not on any others, unless the auxtype of the System folder is changed.
Does anyone know or remember what the proper auxtype should be?
-Ken
(KGAGNE, Cat 7, Top 12, Msg 18)
>>>>>
"""""
Ken,
auxtype - $0002
MT Steve
(S.BERNBAUM, Cat 7, Top 12, Msg 19)
>>>>>
"""""
It also works if you keep the System folder on your desktop, regardless of
the auxtype.
Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.com
Owner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com
Building communities, bit by bit.
(SYNDICOMM, Cat 7, Top 12, Msg 20)
>>>>>
"""""
The auxtype change is only needed if you leave the system folder in the
drive window. If you drag it to the desktop, it work fine as is. That's the
only way the programmers used it, so they didn't catch the bug. :)
Carl Knoblock - Telephone Tech - Sat 29 Dec 01 9:38:28 pm
cknoblo@applelinc.org - Via Spectrum v2.5.2 & SOAR v1.0b8
KFest 2002, July 23-28, 2002 - 206 days till KFest
On cable via LANceGS & Marinetti 2.0.1 - Thank you, Richard.
A2 RTC Staff - Saturday Night House Party - carlk@syndicomm.com
(CARLK, Cat 7, Top 12, Msg 21)
[EOA]
[TEA]
3270 EMULATION FOR THE Apple II?
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Just curious, but are there any software solutions for the Apple II that
allow one to connect and use 3270 Emulation?
Thanks,
Dain
(A2.DAIN, Cat 10, Top 14, Msg 11)
>>>>>
"""""
Many (many!) moons ago there was at least one board that allowed 3270
access.
I suppose part of the question (or maybe even the real question) is how you
want to connect to your 3270 host. A normal SDLC link will need special
hardware (AFAIK) because the 'S' in SDLC stands for 'synchronous', which
means there are no start/stop bits as such, just continuous pulses. (This
is really stretching the memory, so would anyone still working with this
stuff please correct me *nicely*!)
OTOH, without a special board, I've used 3270 apps on my IIgs using ProTerm
as a VT100 emulator, but that required network hardware at the host end to
act as a 3270 to VT100 converter.
Peter peterw@syndicomm.com
Palm OS Community Bulletin Board Manager
(PETERW, Cat 10, Top 14, Msg 12)
>>>>>
"""""
I want to say that the program that did 3270 emulation was SoftTerm, but
I can't remember that far back. It did include some extra hardware, mostly
for the keyboard, I think.
I never encountered a 3270 system until 1995, when I started working at my
current job.
Ryan
(A2.RYAN, Cat 10, Top 14, Msg 13)
[EOA]
[AFD]
Apple II FILES FOR DOWNLOAD FROM A WEB SITE
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
What is the proper way to make Apple II files available for download from a
web site? What programs does one use to prepare/encode files for download?
Thanks,
-Ken
(KGAGNE, Cat 11, Top 23, Msg 1)
>>>>>
"""""
Just make ShrinkIt or Binary II files and put them up.
Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.com
Owner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com
Building communities, bit by bit.
(SYNDICOMM, Cat 11, Top 23, Msg 2)
>>>>>
"""""
Sheppy,
Do I need to BINSCII the files? (I just remembered Shrink II has this
capability - handy!)
-Ken
(KGAGNE, Cat 11, Top 23, Msg 3)
>>>>>
"""""
It's not necessary; IMHO BinSCII is mostly obsolete now.
Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.com
Owner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com
Building communities, bit by bit.
(SYNDICOMM, Cat 11, Top 23, Msg 4)
>>>>>
"""""
I tried to BINSCII some files (using both BINSCII, Spectrum, and Shrink
II), but the output was always multiple files. Is there a way to encode
output to a single text file?
(KGAGNE, Cat 11, Top 23, Msg 5)
>>>>>
"""""
I'm surprised to hear that BINSCII is obsolete. Anywhere I find a .SIT
file for download on the 'net, there's a .HQX format right next to it. I
thought .BXY and .BSC were the Apple II equivalents?
-Ken
(KGAGNE, Cat 11, Top 23, Msg 6)
>>>>>
"""""
>> I tried to BINSCII some files (using both BINSCII, Spectrum, and
Shrink II), but the output was always multiple files. <<
You can turn off the option to output multiple files when encoding with
Spectrum. Go to the 'Options' submenu from the 'Settings Menu' and select
'Encoding Options'. Here you can set the defaults for the various options
as well as whether files are split or segmented.
I still feel that there is a place for BinSCII in web downloads, and do not
consider it obsolete just yet. If someone is reading the pages using a
simple browser like SIS, BinSCII allows 8-bit data to be downloaded using
the simple 7-bit text or HTML interface.
Ewen Wannop - Speccie - Mon 31 Dec 2001 - 204 days till KFest '02
Delivered without using a IIgs by Spectrum v2.5.2 & SOAR 1.0b5
Setup: Bernie ][ the Rescue 3.0 and a dual G4/800Mhz GeForce3
http://www.ewannop.btinternet.co.uk/
(CONDUCTOR, Cat 11, Top 23, Msg 7)
[EOA]
[SSW]
STYLE SHEETS ON WEB SITES
"""""""""""""""""""""""""
Any opinions on the use of style sheets?
(KGAGNE, Cat 11, Top 29, Msg 23)
>>>>>
"""""
I don't know a huge amount about CSS, but I do know that since it doesn't
work with Lynx or SIS, it's not something you'd want to use if targeting
Apple II users.
Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.com
Owner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com
Building communities, bit by bit.
(SYNDICOMM, Cat 11, Top 29, Msg 24)
>>>>>
"""""
At present no Apple II browser supports them. It's not high on the priority
list for Arachnid either.
Kim Howe
Newton Forum Host
(KIMHOWE, Cat 11, Top 29, Msg 25)
>>>>>
"""""
I'm told web browsers that don't understand CSS simply ignore them. Since
they seem to be used primarily for formatting, not functionality (as
Java/JavaScript is), I wouldn't think style sheets would confuse Apple II's
too much.
-Ken
(KGAGNE, Cat 11, Top 29, Msg 26)
>>>>>
"""""
The problem I see is that if you use CSS to do your formatting instead of
traditional HTML elements, you lose the ability to get any formatting at
all for Lynx or comparable browsers.
Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.com
Owner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com
Building communities, bit by bit.
(SYNDICOMM, Cat 11, Top 29, Msg 27)
>>>>>
"""""
IMO, CSS is nice since you can set up a page style in the CSS file. If you
want to change the format of all your pages, you just have to modify the
one main CSS file which will change the style for everything else.
It is not hard to design a page with CSS and still be compatible with lynx
and SIS. Considering that SIS and Lynx don't handle fonts, text colors,
backgrounds, etc. like Netscape and Explorer, I don't see that being a
problem.
There are some CSS bugs in Netscape and Explorer--don't believe that they
are 100% CSS compatible.
For the basic CSS functionality, you will get good results in Explorer and
Netscape--review the CSS standards for proper use.
You will find that creating web pages with the smae look and feel will be
easier with CSS. I don't see any reason to not take advantage of them.
Geoff
(GEOFF, Cat 11, Top 29, Msg 30)
[EOA]
[KMD]
KEYBOARDS FOR THE IIgs - MORE DISCUSSION
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Of all the Apple IIgs keyboards I have used, I think I enjoy using the
Apple Extended Keyboard II the most. The absolute worst keyboard has to
be the Apple Keyboard II. Aside from having to put too much pressure on
the keys to type, and horrible key placement, the thing feels like a cheap
piece of plastic, something that should have been hooked to a Packard Bell,
and not an Apple. I still really like the IIgs keyboard, there are a few
keys that I wish were elsewhere, but it has a nice feel to it.
Dain Neater
(A2.DAIN, Cat 17, Top 19, Msg 7)
>>>>>
"""""
The AppleDesign works, although it at least occasionally has weird
problems, in particular, becoming stuck in caps lock mode.
Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. - rsuenaga@apple2.org - A2's Head Geek
Alpha Testing CoPilot v2.55 and ProTERM 3.1
Offline Syndicomm.com Message Manager
(A2.RYAN, Cat 17, Top 19, Msg 8)
>>>>>
"""""
>> becoming stuck in caps lock mode. <<
Boy, do I remember that! It always seemed to happen when I was in a GEnie
RTC, and there was no way to leave without lower case symbols. Really
strange problem, but I liked the keyboard the rest of the time.
Cindy
(CINDYADAMS, Cat 17, Top 19, Msg 10)
>>>>>
"""""
Barry:
I picked up a refurb AppleDesign ADB Keyboard from MacResQ about 4 months
ago and I must say my experience has been different from that the others
mentioned here.
It has worked really well and has given me no problems. I use it with a ROM
3 and always boot into ProDOS 8, which might explain the difference, but
that's just speculation.
When I began using the Mac, I just about went crazy trying to adjust to the
difference in the placement of the arrow keys and control key when
switching back and forth between the Mac and the IIGS. So, I standardized
on the AppleDesign Keyboard and am now key proficient on both machines.
BTW, does anyone here know the Mac equivalent of the AppleWorks/AppleII
<OA-Y> 'clear to end of line' text editing command? I realize with the Mac
you can highlight the text with the mouse and then <delete>, but I sure
miss the simpler (in my opinion) <OA-Y>.
Hugh...
(HUGHHOOD, Cat 17, Top 19, Msg 11)
>>>>>
"""""
I love the Apple Extended Keyboard II.
Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.com
Owner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com
Building communities, bit by bit.
(SYNDICOMM, Cat 17, Top 19, Msg 12)
>>>>>
"""""
>> The absolute worst keyboard has to be the Apple Keyboard II... <<
It worked but it was the cheapest piece of plastic that ever came from
Apple. The Extendeds are nice but desk real estate is at a minimum here.
Ergo, I'm still in love with the GS keyboard, flakey ADB connector and
all:) Maybe it was a good KBD or maybe I just got used to it. Either way
I'm extremely comfortable with it.
Steve
(KFESTSTEVE, Cat 17, Top 19, Msg 14)
>>>>>
"""""
I don't like the stunted IIgs keyboard. The arrow keys seem so cramped
together, and are layed out in a brain dead fashion.
For some reason, whenever I play FTA's columns,when I look at the IIgs
keyboard afterwards, the keys all look incredibly different :)
(KWS, Cat 17, Top 19, Msg 15)
>>>>>
"""""
The original IIgs keyboard is quite good, and as a bonus, every so often,
you get to retry your soldering skills on it :)
Ryan
(A2.RYAN, Cat 17, Top 19, Msg 16)
[EOA]
[ADW]
THE SOUND OF AN Apple II 5.25" DRIVE IN WINDOWS?
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
There's a Windows program (Mac version in development) which will cause
disk drive access to simulate the sound an Apple II 5.25" drive makes.
http://www.lazilong.com/apple_II/sound_sim/
You can also download an MP3 recording of that memorable sound byte.
-Ken
(KGAGNE, Cat 19, Top 3, Msg 15)
>>>>>
"""""
Someone has WAY too much time on his hands, but it was really funny.
Cindy
(CINDYADAMS, Cat 19, Top 3, Msg 16)
[EOA]
[CSI]
CONTROLLING THE SCSI ID OF HARD DRIVE
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Controlling the SCSI id of hard drive...
The setup:
IIgs rom 3, Apple high speed SCSI card.
SCSI hard drive salvaged from $5 Mac
"Apple Computer, Inc./Internal 3.5 inch HDD/250MB/
Firmware copyright 1993/ Quantum ProDrive LPS"
mounted in old Syquest 88 drive case.
(Power supply connection and SCSI ribbon cable connection
are obvious)
From SCSI id switch on back of Syquest case...
3 wires lead to one connector
2 wires lead to another connector
No obvious place on the Quantum HD to plug either of these
connectors.
J2 on the Quantum has a place for a small connector, 2 pins.
J5 on the Quantum has a place for a small connector, 5 pins.
I have the Quantum partitioned and software installed. It
boots the IIgs and works great with only the HD on the SCSI chain.
When adding a CD ROM Drive to the SCSI chain the IIgs is confused.
I suspect a SCSI id conflict.
1. How can I modify this setup to control the SCSI id of the HD?
2. How is the SCSI id and SCSI termination controlled in that old
Mac with both an internal HD and an internal CD ROM Drive?
Lyle Syverson <lyle@FoxValley.net> Editor, _The Lamp!_
published monthly on the WEB at: <http://lamp.a2central.com/>
(LYLE, Cat 19, Top 11, Msg 15)
>>>>>
"""""
>> 1. How can I modify this setup to control the SCSI id of the HD? <<
Open the case, set the jumpers manually.
According to maxtor.com's site (Maxtor bought Quantum awhile back), there
should be a row of jumpers on the bottom of the drive, opposite side from
the power connector. Three of the jumpers should be A0, A2, A2. To set the
SCSI ID:
SCSI ID A0 A1 A2
0 Off Off Off
1 On Off Off
2 Off On Off
3 On On Off
4 Off Off On
5 On Off On
6 Off On On
7 On On On
>> 2. How is the SCSI id and SCSI termination controlled in that old Mac
with both an internal HD and an internal CD ROM Drive? <<
With jumpers.
Ryan
(A2.RYAN, Cat 19, Top 11, Msg 16)
>>>>>
"""""
>> Open the case, set the jumpers manually. Three of the jumpers should be
A0, A2, A2. To set the SCSI ID: <<
Yes, I found these. No jumpers in place. (SCSI id = 0)
Where can I find some of those _tiny_ jumpers needed to fit in such a small
space?
Lyle Syverson <lyle@FoxValley.net> Editor, _The Lamp!_
published monthly on the WEB at: <http://lamp.a2central.com/>
(LYLE, Cat 19, Top 11, Msg 19)
>>>>>
"""""
Usually I just steal jumpers off other drives of similar vintage.
If you'd like, I can delve through what I have here, but the last time I
looked, I didn't have much that wasn't in use.
Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. - rsuenaga@apple2.org - A2's Head Geek
Alpha Testing CoPilot v2.55 and ProTERM 3.1
Offline Syndicomm.com Message Manager
(A2.RYAN, Cat 19, Top 11, Msg 21)
>>>>>
"""""
I did locate a jumper on another drive.
My IIgs, 250MB SCSI HD, and my CD ROM SCSI drive are now getting
along just fine.
Lyle Syverson <lyle@FoxValley.net> Editor, _The Lamp!_
published monthly on the WEB at: <http://lamp.a2central.com/>
(LYLE, Cat 19, Top 11, Msg 25)
>>>>>
"""""
The drive probably also has terminating resistors fitted, so unlike a
normal external drive it will already be terminated. Depending on what you
want to do, it may be appropriate to remove them.
Kim Howe
Newton Forum Host
Delivered by Spectrum v2.5.2 & SOAR v1.0b8
(KIMHOWE, Cat 19, Top 11, Msg 17)
[EOA]
[ASJ]
ALTERNATIVE TO THE SMALL JUMPERS NEEDED TO SET HD SCSI ID
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
>> Where can I find some of those _tiny_ jumpers needed to fit in such a
small space? <<
You can always resort to wire straps. Use 30 gauge wire and wrapper. I got
mine from Radio Shack. Never know when you might have other uses for it.
Carl Knoblock - Telephone Tech - Tue 25 Dec 01 9:06:03 pm
cknoblo@applelinc.org - Via Spectrum v2.5.2 & SOAR v1.0b8
KFest 2002, July 23-28, 2002 - 210 days till KFest
On cable via LANceGS & Marinetti 2.0.1 - Thank you, Richard.
A2 RTC Staff - Saturday Night House Party - carlk@syndicomm.com
(CARLK, Cat 19, Top 11, Msg 23)
>>>>>
"""""
Is wrapper a material or a procedure?
Lyle Syverson <lyle@FoxValley.net> Editor, _The Lamp!_
published monthly on the WEB at: <http://lamp.a2central.com/>
(LYLE, Cat 19, Top 11, Msg 24)
>>>>>
"""""
Wrapper is a tool. It is used to wrap wire around a pin. The one I use at
work has a handle with gears on it that turns the wrapping bit quickly, so
I can connect a wire in about half a second, once I get the wire into the
bit and on the pin. The one I have for 30 gauge wire is manual. It has to
be turned like a jewelers screwdriver.
Carl Knoblock - Telephone Tech - Wed 26 Dec 01 10:03:03 pm
cknoblo@applelinc.org - Via Spectrum v2.5.2 & SOAR v1.0b8
KFest 2002, July 23-28, 2002 - 209 days till KFest
On cable via LANceGS & Marinetti 2.0.1 - Thank you, Richard.
A2 RTC Staff - Saturday Night House Party - carlk@syndicomm.com
(CARLK, Cat 19, Top 11, Msg 26)
[EOA]
[FSU]
FIRMWARE SOMETIMES USED TO CONTROL SCSI ID OF HD
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
>> "2. How is the SCSI id and SCSI termination controlled in that old Mac
with both an internal HD and an internal CD ROM Drive?" <<
Some Quantums of that vintage could set SCSI ID and termination in firmware
(but it was still settable via hardware as well).
Gary R. Utter
(HINDMOST, Cat 19, Top 11, Msg 18)
>>>>>
"""""
Does this mean that you can override firmware settings with hardware
settings?
Lyle Syverson <lyle@FoxValley.net> Editor, _The Lamp!_
published monthly on the WEB at: <http://lamp.a2central.com/>
(LYLE, Cat 19, Top 11, Msg 20)
>>>>>
"""""
To the best of my knowledge, hardware settings override "firmware"
settings. i.e. in order to set SCSI ID via software, the jumpers need to
be at "0", termination needs to be "none", etc.
But I could be 100% wrong about that. I never used the stuff. Harold Hislop
explained it to me once when I was having an odd problem with a drive, but
the problem turned out to be a shorted ID switch.
Gary R. Utter
(HINDMOST, Cat 19, Top 11, Msg 22)
[EOA]
[AST]
ANTI-SPAM TECHNIQUE
"""""""""""""""""""
David Kerwood recently pointed me at a useful anti-spam technique:
http://www.wbwip.com/wbw/emailencoder.html
This page will encode your email address so as to make it safe to put on a
web page. For example, instead of posting "kgagne@gamebits.net", I can
post this:
kgagne@gameb
05;ts.net
Web browsers will decode it as "kgagne@gamebits.net" but spiders that crawl
the Web looking for email addresses to spam supposedly can't decipher it.
-Ken
(KGAGNE, Cat 11, Top 26, Msg 21)
>>>>>
"""""
At least for the week it will take the spider programmers to fix their code
to see through this very simple technique.
Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.com
Owner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com
Building communities, bit by bit.
(SYNDICOMM, Cat 11, Top 26, Msg 22)
>>>>>
"""""
A more complex alternative requires Java/JavaScript, which isn't friendly
to the Apple II, or to those who use their web browsers with those features
disabled.
Is there any way to safely and effectively post an email address on a web
site?
-Ken
(KGAGNE, Cat 11, Top 26, Msg 23)
>>>>>
"""""
Sure. Put your web site behind a firewall so only you can access it. :)
Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.com
Owner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com
Building communities, bit by bit.
(SYNDICOMM, Cat 11, Top 26, Msg 24)
>>>>>
"""""
John Farr of Applelinks.com wrote an article last summer about the decimal
encoding technique I mentioned a few messages back. Yet I noticed
Applelinks now formats their addresses as "kgagne-at-gamebits.net", with
instructions to manually edit the address before using. I asked Mr. Farr
why the change, and if decimal encoding is effective:
"There are questions about this. Some spam-bots *can* apparently read the
decimal equivalents or will shortly be able to, and some page-authoring
programs won't let you save HTML pages without reconverting the decimals
back to standard format. Go figure.
"There is, in short, no across the board, easily implemented solution. The
rules are constantly changing. Manually reformatting will work, however. It
just isn't 'easy.'"
(KGAGNE, Cat 11, Top 26, Msg 25)
>>>>>
"""""
I'd point out that if it were 'easy' it wouldn't do any good. That's kind
of analogous to buying a combination lock for a locker, then setting the
combination to 1-1-1. :)
Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.com
Owner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com
Building communities, bit by bit.
(SYNDICOMM, Cat 11, Top 26, Msg 26)
>>>>>
"""""
The bots to harvest email addresses can be written to circumvent any
alternatives to how to display an address on a web page.
Instead of displaying your email address, provide a web form which is used
to send email. A web user will have to fill out a form which is handled by
a cgi-script which formats an email message and sends that message to you.
This is currently the most effective to provide an email contact, but not
get your address harvested. This assumes your web server has no security
holes to harvest cgi-scripts and you have your web server set up to only
execute cgi-scripts and not be downloadable.
I have never been spammed from the one web form email that is set up to
send me email.
Geoff
(GEOFF, Cat 11, Top 26, Msg 30)
[EOA]
[CVF]
CURRENT VERSION OF Sweet16 FOR BeOS LIKELY THE FINAL VERSION
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
The current version of Sweet16 for BeOS is going to be the final version,
unless something surprising happens with the future development of BeOS
(like... there being some).
It's disappointing, but there it is.
Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.com
Owner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com
Building communities, bit by bit.
(SYNDICOMM, Cat 29, Top 32, Msg 16)
[EOA]
------------------------------------
ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM SYNDICOMM |
------------------------------------
by Lyle Syverson <lyle@foxvalley.net>
[NBS]
ALL SYNDICOMM ONLINE FORUMS ON THE NEW BULLETIN BOARD SOFTWARE
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
As of last night, Dec 15, all Syndicomm Online forums have been relocated
to the new bulletin board software. That means that not only is
performance improved for every forum, but all forums now have web access to
their bulletin boards available.
Work does continue on adding features to both the text and web bulletin
boards, but they're now in the realm of entirely usable, so we decided to
move all the forums over.
Enjoy!
Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.com
Owner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com
Building communities, bit by bit.
(HelpDesk BB, SYNDICOMM, Cat 3, Top 12, Msg 20)
[EOA]
[SON]
SYNDICOMMOTION, THE NEW SYNDICOMM ONLINE NEWSLETTER
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Introducing Syndicommotion, the new Syndicomm Online newsletter! You'll
receive a copy by email in the next day or two (this is a one-time only
mailing; if you want to receive future issues, just sign up for it).
Syndicommotion will keep you up-to-date on the latest goings-on in all our
forums, as well as the latest Syndicomm news.
Our premiere issue talks about upcoming new forums as well as our new
pricing. Let me repeat: NEW PRICING. If you'd like to get a sneak peek at
Syndicommotion, you can read the premiere issue at
http://www.syndicomm.com/syndicommotion/v1n1.html -- we hope you like it!
Our thanks to Ken Gagne (operator of the Singles, Gamebits, and Prolific
Quill forums) for taking on the task of putting Syndicommotion together,
and to Steve Reeves for naming our newsletter! Steve gets a $10 credit to
his account as a token of our appreciation.
Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.com
Owner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com
Building communities, bit by bit.
(HelpDesk BB, SYNDICOMM, Cat 5, Top 4, Msg 4)
[EOA]
[NPS]
NEW PRICES FOR SYNDICOMM ONLINE
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Effective January 1, 2002, our pricing will be as follows:
Monthly $10/month
Quarterly $22/quarter
Quarterly (credit card
auto-pay) $20/quarter
Annual $75/year
Our credit card authorization free month promotion will end on January 1 as
well.
Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.com
Owner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com
Building communities, bit by bit.
(HelpDesk BB, SYNDICOMM, Cat 4, Top 2, Msg 40)
[EOA]
[NES]
NEW ENHANCEMENTS FOR SYNDICOMM ONLINE
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Jan 1st:
We have some new enhancements to our system for your enjoyment!
The webside bulletin boards have been beefed up a bit; at the top of every
screen is some basic information about the forum (such as how many people
are in chat), along with a button bar providing quick access to the forum's
web page, chat room, and the Syndicomm forum index. There's also a popup
menu so you can quickly navigate to other forums' bulletin boards.
In addition, there's now a "back to category list" button at the bottom of
message-reading pages, so you can quickly skip from category to category.
We also have an experimental, first-whack at webside chat! Click the
"chat" button on any bulletin board page to get into the web chat area.
It's rough around the edges at this point, and may have quirks with certain
browsers, but we're still working on it, and it will improve over time.
In addition, new users entering a bulletin board for the first time will no
longer be pummeled by every message ever posted; instead, they'll see only
the last five messages in each topic as "new." The rest will of course
still be available, but they won't show up as new messages anymore. This
should help newcomers ease into things.
We hope you enjoy the new features, and welcome to the year 2002!
Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.com
Owner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com
Building communities, bit by bit.
(HelpDesk BB, SYNDICOMM, Cat 4, Top 2, Msg 41)
[EOA]
[CVW]
CHAT VIA THE WEB COMES TO SYNDICOMM ONLINE
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
We now have preliminary web chat support! Visit your favorite forums on
the web and click the "chat" button!
(Logon Banner, Syndicomm Online, Jan 7)
[EOA]
[RPG]
ROLE PLAYING GAMES FORUM AND MUD ON SYNDICOMM ONLINE
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
The Role Playing Games forum (keyword RPG, page 833) is under construction,
but the Cargotha MUD is now open and ready to play! Drop on in and enter
the land of adventure!
(Logon Banner, Syndicomm Online, Jan 7)
[EOA]
------------------------------------
DISTILLATIONS FROM DELPHI A2 |
------------------------------------
by Lyle Syverson <lyle@foxvalley.net>
[GPM]
CONNECTING A IIgs TO A PC USING MARINETTI
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
I have added a new feature request to the Marinetti Open Source Project for
support of PPP for a direct connection to a PC.
Has anyone had any success connecting a GS to a PC using Marinetti? Can
you please document your setup?
Thanks,
Andrew
(ROUGHANA, 3122.22, Delphi A2 web side)
>>>>>
"""""
>> I have added a new feature request to the Marinetti Open Source Project
for support of PPP for a direct connection to a PC. <<
Sounds like a neat idea but I'm not sure if it will help. What you need on
the PC is a program that allows users to use your PC as a "dial up"
internet account. This software comes with the various types of unix out
there but I have yet to find a proper one for Windows. There is the Dial-Up
Server that was included with Windows 98 but see below as to its problems.
>> Has anyone had any success connecting a GS to a PC using Marinetti? Can
you please document your setup? <<
I've tried to use the PPP (scripted) link layer in Marinetti to fool
Windows 98's Dial-Up Server into thinking there is an incoming call, which
I've been successful doing, but I haven't been able to get the IIgs and PC
to negotiate the PPP options.
To do this I set up a modem under Windows (I used a Zoom as I have a
couple of those and sometimes use them on the PC) as Dial-Up Server has to
be set up with a modem (I've also tried to find a null-modem modem driver
but without any luck). I wrote a Marinetti script that will send a RING to
the PC over a null-modem cable, wait for an AT command back from the PC and
then send an OK (this needs to be done several times as the PC sends modem
init strings and such before answering a call) and when the scripts gets an
ATA from the PC it sends back a CONNECT message and the script ends. At
this point, the IIgs is expecting to start negotiating PPP options but the
PC pretty much immediately starts trying to hang up the "modem".
I'm not 100% sure that the Dial-Up Server is doing full dial up support for
PPP. I think it is using its own proprietary system so only other Windows
users can actually dial into your machine.
If I could get this working, Windows 98 also comes with an Internet Sharing
utility that I could use to let my null-modem connected IIgs surf the net
through my DSL connection. Mind you, I could stop worrying about all of
this if I got myself a router and set up an old machine as a unix machine
to null-modem connect my IIgs to or better yet, just bought myself a
LANceGS card and plugged my IIgs directly into the router. :-)
Jeff Blakeney
Dean of the Apple II University in the A2Pro Forum
(JBLAKENEY, 3122.23, Delphi A2 web side)
>>>>>
"""""
Hi Jeff,
Thanks for documenting what you have tried to get working.
A null modem connection through dial up server seems a little round-a-bout,
however good thinking!
I've been thinking about the Direct Cable Connection service which does
support null modem cables. I don't know what protocol it is using and
haven't been able to find out yet. Does anyone know about this?
While there are other hardware options, I'd like to get a direct connection
to a PC working so network connections can be shared with a IIgs without
having to purchase a LanceGS or other network infrastructure.
Cheers,
Andrew
(ROUGHANA, 3122.24, Delphi A2 web side)
[EOA]
[ADA]
ACCESSING DELPHI WITH YOUR Apple II
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
If your Apple II has access to telnet, but not Lynx, you can telnet to:
sailor.lib.md.us (login as 'guest')
and use Lynx on that site to access Delphi.
To access Delphi go to:
http://forums.delphiforums.com/my-forums
You can set up a Delphi account from that page. If you already have an
account use the link: "Already a Member? Click here." to log on to Delphi.
NOTE:
Lynx at 'sailor.lib.md.us' is configured to accept cookies. However, when
you leave Delphi, sailor will delete your cookies. Therefor when you try to
log on next time Delphi will display this message:
> Important notice: In order to use Forums, your browser must accept
> "Cookies" from our servers. It appears that your browser is currently
> ignoring them. Our use of cookies is governed by our privacy policy.
> For help, please see the FAQ.
Simply continue to logon. Delphi will notice that Lynx is configured to
accept cookies and allow logon to proceed.
Lyle Syverson <lyle@FoxValley.net> editor, _The Lamp!_
published monthly at: http://lamp.a2central.com/
(LYLESYVERSON, 3530.25, Delphi A2 web side)
[EOA]
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LETTERS TO THE EDITOR |
------------------------------------
[NLE]
NO LETTERS TO THE EDITOR THIS MONTH
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
The mail box for Letters to the Editor remained empty this month.
[EOA]
[LTE]
AN INVITATION
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Express your opinions about the comings and goings in the world of the
Apple II computers.
Send your comments to Lyle Syverson, Editor <lyle@FoxValley.net>
The Editor reserves the right to edit any material submitted.
The Editor reserves the right to reject any material he considers
unsuitable for publication in _The Lamp!_.
[EOA]
[KFT]------------------------------
KFest 2002 |
-----------------------------------
[PAK]
PLAN AHEAD FOR K-Fest 2002
""""""""""""""""""""""""""
KansasFest 2002 is scheduled for July 23 through 28 of 2002. Plan ahead.
Mark your calendar. Start saving your money. Join us for K-Fest 2002!
For additional information visit the K-Fest Home Page at:
http://www.kfest.org/
[EOA]
[TKF]
Happy New Year and THINK K-FEST
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Happy New Year to all!
We're all ending a year in our lives and beginning another. No better way
to begin the new year than to start making your plans to attend KFest 2002!
Everyone attending adds something to this very special event so we hope YOU
will be there this year. Arranging that can be very difficult sometimes so
the sooner you start, the better chance we have of seeing you this year.
As 2002 begins THINK KFEST!
Steve
(Email from Steve, the K-Fest "Great Gouda")
[EOA]
[INN]------------------------------
EXTRA INNINGS |
-----------------------------------
About The Lamp! The Lamp! is published on the fifteenth of every month on
""""""""""""""" the WEB at: http://lamp.a2central.com/
This publication produced entirely with real or emulated Apple II computers
using Appleworks 5.1 and Hermes. Apple II Forever!
* The Lamp! is (c) copyright 2001 by Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W. All
rights reserved.
* To reach The Lamp! on Internet email send mail to
thelamp@sheppyware.net
* All issues of The Lamp! are available at The Lamp! Home Page,
http://lamp.a2central.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Opinions expressed herein are those of the individual authors, and do not
necessarily represent the opinions of A2Central.com, Delphi Online
Services, Syndicomm, Ryan M. Suenaga, or Lyle Syverson. Forum messages are
reprinted verbatim and are included in this publication with permission
from the individual authors. A2Central.com, Delphi Online Services,
Syndicomm, Ryan M. Suenaga, and Lyle Syverson do not guarantee the accuracy
or suitability of any information included herein. We reserve the right to
edit all letters and copy.
Material published in this edition may not be reprinted without the
expressed written consent of the publisher. Registered computer user
groups, not for profit publications , and other interested parties may
write the publisher to apply for permission to reprint any or all material.
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