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>>> WELCOME TO THE LAMP! <<<
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DISTRIBUTION OF _The Lamp!_
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THE PUBLISHER STRIKES BACK
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KFEST 2000 \ FIRST-TIMER'S NOTES
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AND THE BEST OF THE A2 AND A2PRO MESSAGE BOARDS
"Teaching the Apple II user how to fish since 1998"
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The Lamp! An Onipa'a Software Production Vol. 3, No. 8
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Publisher................................Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W.
Editor.....................................................Lyle Syverson
Internet Email, Publisher.........................thelamp@sheppyware.net
Internet Mail, Editor..............................lyle837@FoxValley.net
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TABLE OF CONTENTS
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August 15, 2000
HIGH ABOVE THE ROCK RIVER
Come, Sit Awhile / Family Reunion--------------------------------[OPN]
DISTRIBUTION OF _The Lamp!_
_The Lamp!_ HOME PAGE UPDATED------------------------------------[LHP]
THE PUBLISHER STRIKES BACK
It's Deja Vu All Over Again--------------------------------------[PSB]
A2 DISTILLATIONS
Netbooting a IIgs------------------------------------------------[NBG]
Silvern Castle Help----------------------------------------------[SCH]
Silvern Castle Clues---------------------------------------------[SCC]
Silvern Castle v5.0 Available in Data Base-----------------------[SCU]
Hard Drive for Apple II+ ----------------------------------------[AHD]
Juiced.GS, Vol 5, Issue 2----------------------------------------[JGS]
Which Brands of CD-ROM Drives for IIgs?--------------------------[WBC]
To Ensure A2 Software is Not Lost...-----------------------------[TES]
Glen Bredon Dies-------------------------------------------------[GBD]
Arachnid Preview 2 Available-------------------------------------[APA]
The Case of the Forgotten Passwords------------------------------[CFP]
Lost Classics Moves Right Along----------------------------------[LCM]
New Software for the IIgs - Announced at KFest - Ready-----------[NSA]
KFest Live Cam Broadcast Praised---------------------------------[LCP]
The French Connection CD-ROMS------------------------------------[TFC]
The Ultimate Eamon Collection on CD-ROM--------------------------[TUE]
No Slot Clock----------------------------------------------------[NSC]
Delphi Will Drop Support for Text Based Access-------------------[DDS]
A2Central.com and Syndicomm to Build New Apple II Home Online----[BNH]
A2P DISTILLATIONS
Marinetti Open Source Project------------------------------------[MOS]
Merlin-16+ 4.12 Z.08---------------------------------------------[MLN]
ZBASIC Becomes Freeware - Uploaded to A2P------------------------[ZBC]
KFEST 2000
First-Timer's Notes----------------------------------------------[FTN]
EXTRA INNINGS
About The Lamp! ------------------------------------------------ [INN]
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READING THE LAMP! The index system used by The Lamp! is designed to make
""""""""""""""""" your reading easier. To use this system, load this
issue into any word processor or text editor. In the index you will find
something like:
EXTRA INNINGS
About The Lamp! ------------------------------------------------ [INN]
To read this article, simply use your search or find command to locate
[INN]. There is a similar tag at the end of each article: [EOA].
[OPN]-------------------------------
HIGH ABOVE THE ROCK RIVER |
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From The Editor
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by Lyle Syverson <lyle@FoxValley.net>
Come, Sit Awhile
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Come, sit awhile with me on the patio High Above The Rock River. It
is dusk... a gentle breeze is blowing... the city lights are coming on... a
lone boat moves quietly upstream. What a nice time and place to savor your
KFest experience.
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Family Reunion
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Everywhere at KFest there is this feeling of kinship... greeting old
friends, introductions to new friends, looking at the equipment people
brought, sharing information, helping others. Reminds you of a family
reunion.
It was a real pleasure to meet Ryan, Publisher of The Lamp, in person.
That man has boundless energy. He is a great guy to work for.
[*] [*] [*]
Plan Ahead
~~~~~~~~~~
KFest 2001 is set for July 25-29 (early arrivals on July 24) at Avila
College. Put it on your calender and start saving your money. You will be
glad you did.
[EOA]
[LHP]------------------------------
DISTRIBUTION OF _The Lamp!_ |
_The Lamp!_ HOME PAGE UPDATED |
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From The Editor
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by Lyle Syverson, Editor, _The Lamp!_ , <lyle@FoxValley.net>
As of August 13, 2000, _The Lamp!_ Home Page, http://lamp.sheppyware.net
has been updated and now includes all issues of _The Lamp!_ that have been
published to that date.
Plans are to add each issue to the home page as it is published.
All issues of _The Lamp!_ are also available for download from the
Delphi Custom 11 Database... From the text side "go gr cus 11 for"
Lyle Syverson <lyle@FoxValley.net>
Editor, _The Lamp!_, published monthly on Delphi
[EOA]
[PSB]------------------------------
THE PUBLISHER STRIKES BACK |
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From The Publisher
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by Ryan M. Suenaga, B.A., M.S.W., L.S.W.
[thelamp@sheppyware.net]
IT'S DEJA VU ALL OVER AGAIN
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
After months out of action from working on _The Lamp!_, my project is
complete and I'm back.
My "project" was the _Time in a Bottle_ two disc CD collection of
Apple II software, based on the Syndicomm libraries based on Genie,
released at the end of my keynote speech at KansasFest 2000. Blatant Plug:
this product will be available exclusively through _Juiced.GS_, as will new
versions of _The Compleat Lamp!_.
In any case, as I recover from weeks travelling the North American
continent, meeting old friends and making new ones, and, oh yeah, from
KansasFest 2000, it's back to what's important: the Apple II and _The
Lamp!_. One of the highlights of my trip to Avila this summer was the
chance to meet Lyle in person. That reaffirmed what I already knew: I left
you all in good hands. We talked business, talked computers, but mostly
just had fun. Which is what the Apple II is all about these days.
Just like it was back in 1977.
In addition to those new products, I'm also going to start putting out
a short monthly newsletter called _A2 News and Notes_. Expect it around
the beginning of each month. Unlike _The Lamp!_, reproduction permission
is quite liberal (well, maybe more like _The Lamp!_--I'll give Lyle the
opportunity to fill you in) so you newsletter editors can stop looking for
a few less news items each month.
Finally, concluding with our "What's old is new and what's new is old"
theme, I'd like to let you all in on a secret: A2Central.com, one of the
newest World Wide Web sites for the Apple II, is going to be one of the
hottest spots on the Internet in the coming months. I plan to devote more
and more of our energies here at _The Lamp!_ toward making it a prime mover
and shaker in the Apple II online community.
Remember: have fun.
Ryan
thelamp@sheppyware.net
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[EOA]
DISTILLATIONS from Delphi A2
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by Lyle Syverson <lyle@foxvalley.net>
[NBG]
NETBOOTING A IIgs
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I have recently pulled my old Apple IIgs out of the closet and tried
setting it up. It has no hard drive, and I don't wish to go out and
purchase one right now, so I thought that I would set up the computer to
boot off a network, as I recall reading in the IIgs manual that this could
be done.
However, as far as I can tell, doing this requires AppleShare 3.0, which is
neither free nor for sale. My question is this: is there an alternative to
AppleShare 3.0 which will allow me to boot a ROM 03 IIgs over a AppleTalk,
or, if there is not, is there any way to acquire a copy of AppleShare 3.0?
(NCHAIMOV, 31837, GO COM A2)
>>>>>
"""""
> is there an alternative to AppleShare 3.0 which will allow me to boot
> a ROM 03 IIgs over a AppleTalk,
Nope.
> or, if there is not, is there any way to acquire a copy of AppleShare
> 3.0?
On the used market.
Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. -- rsuenaga@apple2.org
Publisher, _The Lamp!_, published monthly on Delphi
Posted by PTMM v2.5 - The integrated information solution
(RSUENAGA, 31875, GO COM A2)
>>>>>
"""""
Now, I've been in a similar state when my GS hard drive died. I thought of
a way to use a Mac hard disk. Details are currently vague, but it involved
using the System 6.0.1 installer to create a boot 3.5" floppy that had
AppleTalk support. I booted the floppy and connected to the Mac through
the localtalk network. I could then run programs on the Mac hard drive. I
had to do very careful pruning, though to fit everything on, so I wanted to
go one extra step: deleting the Finder from the boot disk and running a
program launcher that was on the Mac. Problems: the Finder won't work
outside of its usual location in the System Folder. Wings works, but only
with ProDOS volumes. (not ideal). JumpStart, which I believe is now
freeware, worked like a charm. I set that as my startup program and I had
the poor man's AppleShare.
As I say, this was some time ago and the details of what settings I used on
the Mac and GS are vague. I hope that they give enough clues to let you
figure out the steps. Take notes, and let me know how it works out :-)
-Gareth
(GARETH, 31902, GO COM A2)
[EOA]
[SCH]
SILVERN CASTLE HELP
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> ...where all can you get Silvern Castle?
To the best of my knowledge, SC can be downloaded from Delphi and Trenco
(www.gno.org). It's also available from Juiced.GS as part of Max Jones'
"Friends for Life" CD as well as some back disk issues of his magazine
"Juiced.GS".
Jeff Fink
(ROFFERSD, 32130, GO COM A2)
>>>>>
"""""
> The last Silvern Castle version I used was v3.0. What are the upgrade
> procedures to get up to v5.0?
All you have to do is get yourself a copy, the install procedures are
included in the READ.ME.FIRST file in the upgrade package.
Jeff Fink
(ROFFERSD, 32131, GO COM A2)
[EOA]
[SCC]
SILVERN CASTLE CLUES
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I've got mine upgraded. It gives you options to undo some of the
"complications"like using gold, silver, and copper coins (or just gold
coins), or using the encumbrance feature or not. I turned off coins but
left encumbrances. That's nice, I thing it doesn't detract from the game.
But I still need to find a password for the moat area. I have gotten
through the bubbles. I see no clues really, obvious or otherwise. This part
of games I am a dunce at. I never even bothered to try Myst, though my
family bought it.
The game also seems speeded up. Is that true? I seems to run smoother and
faster. Otherwise I see no obvious differences.
Is anyone else playing and has anyone gotten beyond the coded door?
BTW: I used the upgrade found on the Juiced-GS disks.
Bruce
(BRB, 32473, GO COM A2)
>>>>>
"""""
>But I still need to find a password for the moat area.
Sorry this took so long, I was away this past week...
Hi Bruce!
I would have e-mailed this to you, but perhaps others would also like this
help getting past the new extended scenario stuff added in v3.0 and later.
NOTE: This gives away vital clues!!! If you want to solve Silvern Castle on
your own STOP NOW!!!
To solve the extended scenario so you can play the second scenario you must
get into the moat (note: you must teleport to any illegal location and
you'll be dropped in the moat-try 11 levels down).
When you get past the bubbles you come up to a metal gate, if you have
registered your copy you'll be able to get through into an underwater
cavern.
Note: If you have registered make sure your serial number shows up at the
title page-if not reenter your registration password and serial number.
Once in the underwater cavern it leads to a door with needs the new apple
key to open. Note: To get the key, on level 10 behind the locked door
needing the silver key (there's only one-it's the door that used to lead to
the back way to Drachma's Lab) you'll get the skeleton key from the MAC
high-priest. Use the skeleton key to open any of the doors on level 1-10
that couldn't be opened before (hint: there's one just a little north of
the MAC priest). Behind any skeleton key door will get you a li-power
crystal. Take the crystal to the head guru on level 1 and you'll get the
apple key plus some hints about the moat.
Back to the moat. Using the apple key you enter an airlock. To the north of
the airlock is a door with an access device requiring a password. Note:
There is a secret door-that does not show up using the light spell. Behind
the secret door(s) is part of the password. This should be enough clues to
get past the access device.
The stuff past the access device should be easier. Ultimately it leads to
Drachma's Lab-be sure to do this to get hints on the second scenario. Also,
remember secret doors don't show up in the moat and watch-out for
teleporters (must should be visible as a white square in v5.0 and
later-before this they don't).
What about that blue archway? Hint: Defeat Drachma.
Hope this helps,
Jeff Fink
(ROFFERSD, 32531, GO COM A2)
[EOA]
[SCU]
SILVERN CASTLE v5.0 AVAILABLE IN DATA BASE
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Name: SCUPD50.BXY (Entertainment Software)
Date: 2-AUG-2000 23:45
By: HKATZ
Size: 209536
Silvern Castle, the popular role-playing game for 8-bit Apple II computers
released only a year ago at KFest '99, has been updated to version 5.0! New
in this version is the ability to turn off encumbrance and to restrict
coinage to just gold pieces. Also, clerics can now identify items like
druids, back-row characters have a lower chance of being hit during melee
combat, NPCs may exchange information if they surrender, spellbooks and
holy symbols can be dropped, and there's been some fine-tuning to the
monsters. A new expert scenario, "Time Master", is included, but can only
be played by registered owners.
(TONYW1, 32422, GO COM A2)
[EOA]
[AHD]
HARD DRIVE FOR APPLE II+
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Hello,
Is it possible to connect a Hard Disk to an Apple II+ ?
I probably need a SCSI or IDE card for the Apple Slot, does anyone have an
electric scheme for building this on your own?
Reading through this Forum I discovered a few people apparently using HDs
on Apple IIe with Prodos. I never thought about it. Do I have to enhance
the II+ in order to get Prodos working or would a little programming
enhancement in DOS 3.3 help seeing the Hard Disk ?
Any help would be appreciated,
Claudio
(CRISTINZ, 31870, GO COM A2)
>>>>>
"""""
I'm running a hard drive on a II+. I'm using an Apple Rev C SCSI card
connected to a 40mb hard drive. I use a program called Sneeze as a program
launcher. Pretty well all the programs on the hard drive are ProDOS 8
programs. The only enhancement you need for ProDOS is to have 64k of
memory. With 64k and a 6502 you can use any version of ProDOS up to and
including 1.9. If you replace the 6502 with a 65C02 or are using an
accelerator such as a ZipChip or TransWarp which include a 65C02 the you
can use the last version of ProDOS 2.0.3. DOS 3.3 is basically
incompatible with drives over 400k. Some DOS 3.3 stuff can be transferred
over to ProDOS and some can't. I generally leave the DOS 3.3 stuff on
floppies and boot them if I want to run DOS 3.3 stuff. However a hard drive
is so much faster and more convenient that it isn't long before you only
want to run stuff off the hard drive
Wayne
(WAYNEJ, 31883, GO COM A2)
>>>>>
"""""
> Is it possible to connect a Hard Disk to an Apple II+ ?
Yep. You should just know that in terms of a SCSI setup, your options are
limited to the original Apple ("Revision C") SCSI card, or similar, such as
the older CMS SCSI card.
If your going to use ProDOS (which isn't a bad idea considering DOS 3.3 is
limited to 400K per partition and no subdirectories/folders) you'll need at
least 64K RAM installed--that is all the RAM sockets populated on the II
Plus board (48K total) in addition to a 16K Language card or better plugged
into slot-0.
There may be other hard drive setups available for the II Plus, though I'm
uncertain if things like the Focus HD or Vulcan are compatible (most people
adding hard drives do so to an Enhanced IIe or better).
Mitchell Spector
{<mailto:cw308@torfree.net> cw308@torfree.net}
(SPECTOR1, 31890, GO COM A2)
>>>>>
"""""
I once had a 40MB Applied Engineering IIe/II+ Vulcan hard drive that would
work with any IIe or a II+. I used mine on a IIe. If I remember correctly,
the only change (according to the manual) that had to be made for II+
operation was a DIP switch change on the controller card. The II+ memory
requirement of 64k that you mentioned, of course, would still apply.
Barry Rees
(BARRY_REES, 31903, GO COM A2)
[EOA]
[JGS]
Juiced.GS, VOL 5, ISSUE 2
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Announcing ...
===== Juiced.GS, Volume 5, Issue 2 =====
The July 2000 edition of Juiced.GS, the Apple II world's premier
IIGS-specific magazine, was delivered to 205 subscribers in 45 states and
numerous points around the globe.
Here's what you'll find in this 24-page issue:
============
FEATURES
Cover Story: Turn your PC into a IIGS -- An in-depth tutorial on putting
BeOS and Sweet16 to work ... Eric Shepherd makes the task of installing
BeOS and the Sweet16 emulator on your PC far less daunting.
The Virtual GS: An emulator wish list ... Ryan Suenaga, our emulation
master, dreams big dreams -- and reveals his wishes -- for future features
in our favorite IIGS emulators.
COLUMNS
My Home Page: Saved by SAM (and EarthLink) ... The editor explains how the
dreaded loss of shell access on his ISP was made less traumatic by the
presence of the new IIGS Internet e-mailer and discovery of a new
Marinetti-savvy ISP.
II Be Named Later: Our columnist, Ryan Suenaga, looks ahead in great
anticipation to another grand Apple II festival -- KFest 2000.
Desktop Publishing: Dave Bennett explains how good photos, used well in
your DTP projects, have a great impact on attracting and holding readers.
Telecommunications: Tony Ward takes on the tough and always controversial
subject of copyrights in the digital age.
DEPARTMENTS
Shareware Spotlight: Geoff releases a new program that allows Spectrum
users to create PDF files; Beagle Bros releases an old program that makes
computer drawing fun again; and Howard Katz brings readers up to date on
the latest software reclassification efforts.
DumplinGS: A2Central.com emerges as a compelling new online resource for
Apple II enthusiasts; Ultima I is back on the market; the Juiced.GS
'Friends for Life' CD-ROM is now shipping; and Y ][ KFest is but a few days
away. And believe it or not, that's not all!
Letters from the Land of ROM: Readers ask questions, get answers, make
suggestions, and otherwise give us a piece of their mind. We have almost
three pages worth of letters from readers in this issue.
ADVERTISEMENTS
KFest registration; Juiced.GS CD-ROM; a cool card-ID contest from Tony Diaz
at apple2.org; and a Sheppyware surprise!
============
Juiced.GS is a quarterly, printed publication available by subscription
only.
A subscription for 2000 is $16 in the U.S., Canada or Mexico, $22
elsewhere.
To subscribe, send a check or money order in U.S. funds to:
Max Jones
Juiced.GS
2217 Lakeview Drive
Sullivan, IN 47882
Make checks or money orders payable to Max Jones.
To subscribe by credit card, visit the Juiced.GS online order processing
site on the World Wide Web. The URL is:
http://order.kagi.com/?2ZM
Complete sets of 1996, 1997, 1998 and 1999 issues are available for $14
each ($20 overseas). If you would like to purchase only a specific single
copy (or copies) of back issues, they are available for $4 each ($6
overseas). An index and brief description of articles published in
'96/'97'98/'99 are available on the Juiced.GS web site. See URL below.
Apple II Forever!
Max Jones
Juiced.GS
Delphi: JuicedGS -- Internet: juicedgs@delphi.com
World Wide Web: http://www.wbwip.com/juiced.gs
(JUICEDGS, 32160, GO COM A2)
[EOA]
[WBC]
WHICH BRANDS OF CD-ROM DRIVES FOR IIgs?
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Does anyone know which CD-ROM brands (other than Apple) will work with the
Apple ][GS? I see several at the GoodWill store and I am reluctant to get
just anyone's brand other that Apple.
Also the Apple High Speed SCSI will work with CD-ROM's but is the "HIGH
SPEED" SCSI card the only one to use?
Mack
(MACKDUNCAN, 32112, GO COM A2)
>>>>>
"""""
Most should work (although I'm sure there are a couple of examples where
that's not the case) so long as you have a SCSI controller installed and
set things up properly. From my experience there are two major "what if"'s
involved, their being: 1) Will the brand/model in question read all types
of CD-R's (there are many burnable CD's with a color coating the laser has
trouble seeing on some drives) and 2) Will you be able to play back audio
CD's through the IIgs?
Finding out #1 is mostly trial and error, although if your only going to be
reading factory pressed (silver colored) CD's this isn't an issue. As for
#2 if you have an Apple SCSI card you _will_ need an Apple brand CD-ROM
drive (i.e. CDSC, CDSC+, CD-150) for audio. The RamFAST has drivers for
playing audio CDs on Apple and non-Apple drives, but they can be rather
flaky. I was able to get a Chinon 1X to play audio with the RamFAST, but it
froze up control of the computer until I ejected the disc.
> Also the Apple High Speed SCSI will work with CD-ROM's but is the
> "HIGH SPEED" SCSI card the only one to use?
I believe the Apple revision 'C' card will work, but you'd have to reboot
whenever changing discs (the card isn't very friendly with removable
devices if I recall correctly). The RamFAST will certainly work, but when
it comes to playing audio CDs things can get iffy. I've heard many reports
about the NEC 2x working beautifully with audio discs though.
I'm not sure if cards such as the CMS, Ohio Kache SCSI or Cirtech work well
(if at all) with CD-ROMs and other removable devices. My guess is if they
do, it would be similar in function to the Apple Rev.C (I generally don't
recommend anything but the Apple or RamFAST when it comes to SCSI boards,
although some people have gotten good use out of the others).
Mitchell Spector
{<mailto:cw308@torfree.net> cw308@torfree.net}
(SPECTOR1, 32119, GO COM A2)
>>>>>
"""""
I'm using a Ramfast on both my IIgs & IIe with NEC CD-ROMs. I tried a
couple of other brands (wish I could remember the names) and while both of
them seemed to work fine as far as reading files and playing music the one
thing they wouldn't do was boot off any of the ProDOS CDs I'd burned. Not a
big deal but something I wanted.
Wayne
(WAYNEJ, 32121, GO COM A2)
>>>>>
"""""
My own experiences with Rev.C and Sony CDU 541 is that for the system to
boot from HD residing on the same SCSI bus, CDROM reader must have a
readable media in it. (My guess is that Rev.C doesn't make an exception for
removable media device when checking reply for Test Unit Ready command,
which will always return Check Condition if media is not present.)
Otherwise, it appears to work just fine, most of the time.
(DCHIU, 32122, GO COM A2)
>>>>>
"""""
Well, I have a Toshiba 40x (yes, 40) CDROM drive hooked up to my tower GS
with a RamFAST. It's fast, trust me. :)
Yeah, it's overkill, but it's way better than the NEC 2x I had in there
previously. Other than the initial spin-up time, I don't notice a
difference between a CD or the hard drive. There's no way I could say that
about the NEC. I also have a Toshiba 1x drive in the same GS for CD audio
(the NEC worked great for audio, too), and I don't think I'll ever put
another data CD in it. :)
Later,
- Aaron
(APULVER, 32168, GO COM A2)
<<<<<
"""""
Hey Aaron,
Can you use the Music CD in one drive as you use the data in another drive?
Do I understand you correctly?
Mack
(MACKDUNCAN, 32169, GO COM A2)
>>>>>
"""""
Mack,
Yes. Or two data CDs, or two music CDs... Or three.
I used to have two Toshiba 1x drives and one NEC 2x drive hooked up and I
could use them all at the same time. That's with a RamFAST, though. I never
tried it with an Apple SCSI card.
Later,
- Aaron
(APULVER, 32193, GO COM A2)
>>>>>
"""""
From the land of "make do":
I have 2 GS(s) with SCSI:
1 is an Apple Rev "C" card. the other is a last revision (d?) of the CMS.
I have several SCSI CDROM drives thanks to Goodwill.
The Rev C works with: All Apple ones I have tried, loves the 300, Toshiba,
Sony, a couple that I have not popped out of their case so I have not clue
one what they are.
Gotchas: You MUST have a CD in the drive to boot otherwise the SCSI chain
stops right there. Changing disks without rebooting is possible but like a
Mac, trash the current one before ejecting. The drive I have on there is a
caddy type on a manual load/eject (yeah I know...weird). Music does NOT
work on any drive tested. The CMS works with: Not One Blessed CD Drive!
but it really crawls fast on the 3 hard drives it supports!
-Bart
(PILGRIMER, 32239, GO COM A2)
[EOA]
[TES]
TO ENSURE A2 SOFTWARE IS NOT LOST...
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
I don't want to get involved in this debate, seeing how both sides rarely
change their stance on the issue, but some of the points brought up
highlight a growing problem here.
Software titles written for the Apple II numbered in the tens of thousands,
at one point long ago Apple claimed it was the largest collection of
software of any computer platform in the world. Software is the *MOST*
important of factors when considering a computer's strength, it is the life
blood of that machine. Features and processing power don't mean a thing if
there's no software to make that collection of chips do anything (many
great computers fell wayside because they lacked software, the IIGS
suffered for this reason). One of the reasons the Apple II was, and always
has been, popular, is because of it's vast amount of software available.
So where are we today? Are there ANY companies still printing copies of
those tens of thousands of software packages? _No._ So we're left with
copies that haven't been sold yet. Are there any stores or vendors selling
those out-of-print titles, the few that remain? _No._ Sure, there
admittedly are a few seeded businesses here and there, but these sources
are far and few between and depleting what stock they have left. Quite
often these sources don't have what your looking for, which means you'll
have to find the titles used at garage sales, thrift shops or online
auctions and sales. Quite often you'll turn up empty handed looking for a
particular title.
Take AppleWorks, hands down one of the most popular Apple II software
packages, yet it's not available any longer--anywhere. The problem I see is
someone comes along and purchases a used Apple II, looks for particular
software, can't find it in stores, through vendors nor used through online
sales either. That person is then forced to give up on the Apple II and
move on to another platform because they can't find software. It's like
we're saying "There's no more room for new users--the software you want
isn't available anymore and it's just too bad you'll need it to operate the
machine." Sometimes people ask me where they can get games for their Apple
IIe or IIgs. I direct them to Shareware Solutions II, which sells 3 or 4
commercial games, but beyond that I have to them they'll have to look for
used copies online. That's basically one step away from saying "Tough, you
should have bought games a decade ago, and if you can't find them now,
that's not my problem. Now excuse me while I go play Zany Golf, Immortal
and Task Force."
I obviously do not endorse piracy, nor do I think copyrights are something
that become meaningless once a title goes out of print. I just think many
of us are looking at this as too black and white an issue. We're upholding
copyright laws by saying you can't copy such and such a title that's no
longer printed-- which is fine, but at the same time we're shrugging our
shoulders and saying 10,000+ software titles are only available to those of
us who bought them and now the door is closed to anyone else. I sometimes
question if we're doing the right thing. I mean without software, the Apple
II is not much more than an interesting piece of history. An artifact, a
nicknack to store in the closet. I think it's still a useful computer and
use mine, I just wish others could too and enjoy the same software I had to
chance to use.
I'm glad there are people going to great pains to get much of the more
populate software legally reclassified, though much of the software will
remain in limbo, probably forever. Should we just say the hell with it and
tell people copy whatever they want then? I don't think so, but I'm not
sure this is doing much towards the continued use and popularity of the
Apple II. We're sort of damned we you do, and damned we don't.
To get to the bottom line here, I'm worried that those titles will
physically disappear one day soon (disk media doesn't last forever, nor
does software people throw away) and one day we could find the Apple II
with little or no software available to _anyone_. I like the fact Asimov
was making an effort to archive and preserve 8-bit Apple II programs
(mostly games though) but I don't like the fact the archive is available to
ANY anonymous person in the world. I'd like to see clean preserved copies
of Apple II software stored safely somewhere on long-lasting media, just so
it's there in the future and not gone forever because of disk rot. It
should just be in the hands of someone official and trusted, not made
accessible to every person in the world--that oversteps the lines of
preservation to blatant piracy. Just thought I'd share my thoughts on this,
I hope no one views this the wrong way...
Mitchell Spector
{<mailto:cw308@torfree.net> cw308@torfree.net}
(SPECTOR1, 32258, GO COM A2)
>>>>>
"""""
Excellent post Mitch! I think you've really "hit the nail on the head" with
regards to the problems faced by our favorite computer. Since the Apple II
is one of the first home systems with this large a software base, it is one
of the first to be faced with this dilemma.
Mark Percival
Montreal, Quebec, Canada
An Apple II fanatic since 1979
(PERCIM, 32261, GO COM A2)
>>>>>
"""""
> "...it's never going to be possible to track down the copyright holder of
> EVERY piece of Apple II software ever written..."
True, nor is it likely that we could ever come close to tracking down every
piece of SOFTWARE, much less the authors.
But it's a worthwhile effort.
ARCHIVING software is all well and good. If someone were collecting all
available software, verifying that the disk images were good, and putting
it on some permanent media to preserve it for the future, that would be
fine.
The problem (I'm agreeing with Mitch, here) is when the files in that
archive are made publicly available.
Perhaps what the Apple II community needs is an archive site that accepts
(and verifies) uploads, but ONLY permits downloads of stuff that has a
release from the copyright holder, and has that release included with the
archive.
Gary R. Utter
(UTTER, 32267, GO COM A2)
>>>>>
"""""
That's a good idea, Gary. Preserve copies of everything so that if/when
permission is granted, we know we have them still.
Eric (Sheppy) Shepherd
sheppy@sheppyware.net
http://www.sheppyware.net
(SHEPPY, 32268, GO COM A2)
>>>>>
"""""
Perhaps it's time to start another Project. Or should this be part of Lost
Classics? (I'm inclined to think the latter, or part of Willies Treasure
Chest, perhaps.)
Gary R. Utter
(UTTER, 32277, GO COM A2)
>>>>>
"""""
> Well, I don't think it's a matter of telling new users to get lost. :)
I'm pretty sure I never suggested that. It's a straw man put up by the
pirates to defend their actions.
There are plenty of people who are working HARD, most of them on a
volunteer basis, to keep Apple II software available to new users.
The Treasure Chest Project and the Lost Classics Project have the specific
goal of obtaining copyright releases on commercial software, and they WORK
at it. There are other people who work on the same goal as individuals,
contributing when and where they can.
Joe Kohn and a few others have gathered up lots of old stock and can
legitimately sell it (for next to nothing) without any copyright hassles.
> "I think we should do everything we can to bring people into the fold."
For many years there were people in Syndicomm who were charged with
building and distributing (to those who requested them) disks of basic
Apple II software, including freeware communications programs, word
processors, and, of course, operating system disks. It wasn't our goal to
supply them with all their software needs, just to give them enough to get
started, and information on where to find more. ("teach a man to fish")
> "I think too many people just give up without ever trying to contact the
> copyright holders."
I think too many people never try in the first place and simply go ahead
and pirate stuff, and then spend all their time telling the world how
wonderful they are for making it available.
> "If we had a list, an organization, a Project, that would go a long way
> both in actually getting software back into distribution legally..."
As I have said a couple of times, we have at least TWO Projects aimed at
getting permissions (in writing, publishable) and making software
available. The people involved in them could probably use more help.
What _I_ am talking about is NOT a project to make software available.
Rather, it is a project to PRESERVE software on (more or less) permanent
media wo that when someone DOES get a permission, the software is not
already lost to bit rot.
It would also serve to disarm the pirates who use "preservation" as an
excuse to steal.
Gary R. Utter
(UTTER, 32286, GO COM A2)
[EOA]
[GBD]
GLEN BREDON DIES
""""""""""""""""
I received a message from Anne Bredon a few days ago, stating, simply: Glen
died suddenly on May 8.
At this time, that is all I know. I have informed Sheppy of this and he
posted a message to that affect on A2Central. I also informed another Apple
II News Group of this sad event and have received several messages back
about how Glen changed this or that person's life in some way due to their
mutual love affair with the Apple II computer.
If you would like to send a positive message about Glen and yourself or
others that you know who were affected by Glen in positive ways, I will
start a collection and forward the final package to Mrs. Bredon.
Send message to: {<mailto:ChuckNewby@aol.com> ChuckNewby@aol.com}
I HAVE NOT AND WILL NOT POST THIS ANYWHERE ELSE, ESPECIALLY IN THE A2
NEWSGROUPS where flaming is the order of the day. However, you have my
permission to pass this message along as you feel appropriate.
Chuck Newby
(APPLESEEDS, 32299, GO COM A2)
[EOA]
[APA]
ARACHNID PREVIEW 2 AVAILABLE
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
G'day
Since I don't want to suck (see Juiced GS page 15) I thought I should
release Arachnid preview 2 before the end of KFest.
For any unaware, Arachnid is a Marinetti based web browser for the GS.
It's available now from
{<http://www.omninet.net.au/~khowe/arachnid/index.html.>
http://www.omninet.net.au/~khowe/arachnid/index.html.}
I'll be organizing to upload here and to Trenco shortly.
Have fun with it!
Kim Howe
{<mailto:khowe@omninet.net.au> khowe@omninet.net.au}
(KHOWE1, 32386, GO COM A2)
[EOA]
[CFP]
THE CASE OF THE FORGOTTEN PASSWORDS :)
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
I've recently been told that the Delphi webside and the text/email side are
now totally separate...this was in response to my question regarding no
longer being able to log in on the _webside_ with my current and
longstanding (coming up on six years now) ID/password combination. I'm then
directed to login as if I've forgotten my password (on the webside) then go
to an area known as "My Account" to revise my password...only trouble is
there isn't any such area (webside) when I do this, so I'm confined to the
text/telnet/email areas.
Is there a simple fix or solution and maybe a modicum of explanation?
"service" ain't what it used to be.
Regards,
Tom
(TDON, 32395, GO COM A2)
>>>>>
"""""
Tell me about it. (No, don't, I've heard too much already.)
At the very bottom of the login window (before you ever start entering
anything) in very small print (VERY small print) there is a line that says
"Forgotten your forum password?"
That's a link. CLick it, and it takes you to a screen that asks you for
your Delphi account name and an email address to send the new password to.
Your new password will arrive in a few minutes (at least mine did). It
won't match your old (text side) password.
Once you get your new password for the web side, you can change it back to
match your old password. Go to any Delphi web page (probably including the
one you are looking at when you log in). In the upper right corner click on
'my forums", then scroll all the way to the bottom of the left hand window
to a box named "my info". In that box is a link called "account
information" and if you click on that, you'll find the place where you can
change your password.
Gary R. Utter
(UTTER, 32411, GO COM A2)
<<<<<
"""""
Gary,
Thanks for the detailed directions. I don't get to visit often or for long,
so I haven't gone over the pages with the magnifying glass. however, I
followed the directions from Tamara at Service and didn't find what you
describe, and I tried following the link that the page offers, but it took
me to nowhere where I could find the "My Account" hotlink...
..but I'll try again, ever hopeful.
regards,
Tom
(TDON, 32434, GO COM A2)
>>>>>
"""""
> ..but I'll try again, ever hopeful.
At the time I posted that message, I had the relevant pages open in my
browser, to make sure that the directions were precise, so you should have
no trouble.:)
Gary R. Utter
(UTTER, 32441, GO COM A2)
>>>>>
"""""
Gary,
One clarification...if I use the "forget your password" link, I gain entry,
_but_ I don't get the access to the page with the "My account" link. In
order to get to that link and to be able to change the password myself, I
have to use the new password that is sent to me and log in and _then_ go
to My Account.
I'm now logged in with my original password again which is the same as for
the text/telnet access... though I still haven't a clue why it would have
changed since it has been the same for nearly six years now.
First, annoyed; then, irritated; then aggravated; now, calm once again...
but the memory lingers.
Regards,
Tom
(TDON, 32447, GO COM A2)
<<<<<
"""""
>"if I use the "forget your password" link, I gain entry, _but_ I don't
> get the access to the page with the "My account" link. In order to get to
> that link and to be able to change the password myself, I have to use the
> new password that is sent to me and log in and _then_ go to My Account."
Ah, yes. I guess I didn't make it clear that you had to wait for the new
password. Last time I forgot my password (actually I didn't forget it,
Delphi did :), it took them only a couple of minutes to send me the new
one, it seemed as if it were automated.
> "I still haven't a clue why it would have changed "
It's a Delphi bug, errr, feature. (Yeah, that's the story.)
Gary R. Utter
(UTTER, 32449, GO COM A2)
[EOA]
[LCM]
LOST CLASSICS MOVES RIGHT ALONG
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Name: AAWAS1.BXY (Entertainment Software)
Date: 2-AUG-2000 23:41
By: HKATZ
Size: 97024
The World is at war at sea, and you command in this hi-res game of The
Ancient Art of War At Sea. Originally released by Broderbund, this program
has been released as Freeware by the authors and copyright holders, Dave
and Barry Murry, via the Lost Classics Project. Please see the Freeware
notice included on the disk. This program unshrinks to two 5.25" disks.
This is disk one of the archive.
*******************************
Name: AAWAS2.BXY (Entertainment Software)
Date: 2-AUG-2000 23:41
By: HKATZ
Size: 96640
The World is at war at sea, and you command in this hi-res game of The
Ancient Art of War At Sea. Originally released by Broderbund, this program
has been released as Freeware by the authors and copyright holders, Dave
and Barry Murry, via the Lost Classics Project. Please see the Freeware
notice included on the disk. This program unshrinks to two 5.25" disks.
This is disk two of the archive.
(TONYW1, 32421, GO CO A2)
>>>>>
"""""
Name: FORBGR.BXY (Graphics and Sound)
Date: 2-AUG-2000 23:47
By: HKATZ
Size: 8576
FORBGR.BXY includes additional patterns to use with Beagle Graphics. Beagle
Graphics is a graphics utility that lets you use the special feature built
into the Apple //e & //c computers to display Double-Hi-Res images. It adds
33 commands for use with graphics manipulation when working with Double
Hi-Res images, as well as accessing the 16 color palette. Both the DOS 3.3
and ProDOS versions of this program are covered in this release.
This program has now been reclassified as Freeware, and is being released
via The Lost Classics Project. Please see the freeware notice included in
the program archive.
(TONYW1, 32423, GO COM A2)
>>>>>
"""""
Name: DIVACCT1.BXY (Productivity Software)
Date: 2-AUG-2000 23:52
By: HKATZ
Size: 81664
The Diversified Accountant Job Cost System will calculate the actual cost
for specific jobs, compare them to previously estimated costs and will
allow you to track individual employee hours. Now released as Freeware by
Bill Basham and Diversified Software, Inc. via The Lost Classics Project.
This program is written in Pascal and unshrinks to two 5.25" disks. Please
see the Freeware notice found on disk 2 of this upload. This is disk 1 of
the upload.
*******************************
Name: DIVACCT2.BXY (Productivity Software)
Date: 2-AUG-2000 23:52
By: HKATZ
Size: 46720
The Diversified Accountant Job Cost System will calculate the actual cost
for specific jobs, compare them to previously estimated costs and will
allow you to track individual employee hours. Now released as Freeware by
Bill Basham and Diversified Software, Inc. via The Lost Classics Project.
This program is written in Pascal and unshrinks to two 5.25" disks. Please
see the Freeware notice found on disk 2 of this upload. This is disk 2 of
the upload.
(TONYW1, 32424, GO COM A2)
[EOA]
[NSA]
NEW SOFTWARE FOR THE IIgs - ANNOUNCED AT KFest - AND READY FOR DOWNLOAD
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Name: SCAP11.BXY (Productivity Software)
Date: 3-AUG-2000 00:08
By: SISGEOFF
Size: 19584
Spectrum Create-A-PDF 1.1 allows the creation of a PDF file from Appleworks
Classic, Teach, Text, or Source files. This version allows the creation of
PDF files up to four megabytes in size (assuming there is enough RAM) and
optionally adding the Mac file type so the appropriate icon will show up in
Mac OS. Spectrum 2.2 or higher is required.
(TONYW1, 32426, GO COM A2)
>>>>>
"""""
Name: SEDISTIC.BXY (Telecommunications)
Date: 3-AUG-2000 00:22
By: KEN_GAGNE
Size: 6144
Sedistic is a Spectrum script to apply a find/replace to an entire
directory (or directory tree) of files (text, Teach, and Appleworks).
Freeware by Ken Gagne.
(TONYW1, 32427, GO COM A2)
[EOA]
[LCP]
KFest LIVE CAM BROADCAST PRAISED
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
The delayed streamed QuickTime page on A2Central.com is now broadcasting
the keynote address on a repeating loop, and will continue to do so until
around 8:30 or 9:00 AM CDT. Enjoy. :)
Eric (Sheppy) Shepherd
sheppy@sheppyware.net
http://www.sheppyware.net
(SHEPPY, 32363, GO COM A2)
>>>>>
"""""
FWIW, thanks to Sheppy, Dave (The Man) Miler, and the contributions of
many, many other KFesters, we are having a lot of live coverage of KFest
2000 on the Internet.
Check http://www.a2central.com/ for details.
Don't ask "When was the last time I turned the Apple II on?" Ask "When was
the last time the Apple II turned me on?"
Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. -- rsuenaga@apple2.org
Publisher, _The Lamp!_, published monthly on Delphi
Posted by PTMM v2.5 - The integrated information solution
(RSUENAGA, 32364, GO COM A2)
>>>>>
"""""
Sheppy & everyone else involved,
Thank you so much for providing the live Webcast from KFest. The other
night I felt like I was there, even though it was a bit strange chatting in
the conference and then seeing (and hearing) your reactions live on camera.
I even managed to catch most of the keynote address yesterday and part of
what looked like Tony Diaz's session today.
I hope the camera is running tonight so I can show my visiting family what
I'm missing (they're the reason I'm not with you this year.)
Tony Ward
Apple II fan? Visit the {<http://www.delphi.com/apple2/start> A2} Forum!
(TONYW1, 32371, GO COM A2)
>>>>>
"""""
I whole-heartedly agree! It's been fun popping in @ KFest for a moment here
and there (even from work!) to see what's going on!
Jeff Carr
Fri, 28 Jul 00 @ 4:21:04
(LUMITECH, 32375, GO COM A2)
>>>>>
"""""
The live cam is the best thing since the Apple II lowercase mod kit.
Henrik Woof Gudat
woof woof
(GUDATH, 32377, GO COM A2)
[EOA]
[TFC]
THE FRENCH CONNECTION CD-ROMS
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
>Parlez vous Francais?
>"Oui" - Brutal Deluxe
Hmmm....that's lame, so maybe a better lead in would be...
Coming soon...The French Connection CD-ROMs! Chocked filled with lots of
Apple II software you didn't even know existed. Along with special
surprises...such as the French version of Convert 3200.
Stay tuned for details!
Joe
(JOE_KOHN, 32474, GO COM A2)
[EOA]
[TUE]
THE ULTIMATE EAMON COLLECTION ON CD-ROM
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
The ultimate Eamon collection is now available on CD!
The compiler of the Eamon CD is Tom Zuchowski, the editor and publisher of
the "Eamon Adventurer's Guild," a quarterly Eamon publication that is still
being published today. Tom has been running the Eamon club for 13 years.
The EAG was for years "Eamon Central," the place that first debugged and
then released Eamon adventures to the public domain. Most of the old
mail-order Apple II software vendors got their Eamons from the EAG, as did
online sources such as Genie, ftp.gmd.de and ground.
This Eamon CD includes 242 public-domain Eamons, the three Softdisk Eamons
(with permission), plus 16 years of newsletter back issues that include
many useful items such as Eamon reviews, lists and walk-throughs for
difficult Eamons. There are various utilities, maps, pictures, and lots of
other miscellaneous stuff. It includes native Apple II Eamons, Apple II
emulator DSK files, emulators for PC and Mac, and about 30 native MS-DOS
Eamons. Almost 1500 files all told.
The CD is being produced on a CD-R drive on a Windows PC, but it uses the
universal ISO9660 format and was checked by three Mac users for
compatibility with Macs.
Effort has been taken to make this a turn-key CD. For example, the native
Apple II files are compressed, and therefore that section also includes
ShrinkIt. There are README-type info files for each section. The emulator
section includes ApplePC and AppleWin emulators for PC's, and Catakig for
Macs.
This CD is a gift to those who are still interested in Eamon after all
these years, and so the price for the U.S. and Canada is a break-even
$3.00, and that includes shipping. The international price is $7.00.
International users should email {<mailto:tzuchow@attglobal.net>
tzuchow@attglobal.net} for payment options.
The standard version of the CD will not include Eamons #32 and #196 because
of their extremely low quality and tasteless adult content. Anyone who
wants a full CD that includes those two Eamons must specifically request
them and also state that they are at least 18 years old.
Send your check to:
Tom Zuchowski
7625 Hawkhaven Dr.
Clemmons, NC 27012-9408
Tony Ward
Apple II fan? Visit the {<http://www.delphi.com/apple2/start> A2} Forum!
(TONYW1, 32521, GO COM A2)
[EOA]
[NSC]
NO SLOT CLOCK
"""""""""""""
I have heard of a device called a NO SLOT clock.
Can anyone explain how these work.
My //e's are getting a bit full of cards so I was curious if i could use
one to get around the problem of no spare slots.
Mark.
(LUKE65816, 32528, GO COM A2)
>>>>>
"""""
These look a lot like a socket, except they have an embedded clock.
Pry out a ROM chip in the IIe (I want to say CD but I'm not sure exactly
which offhand), put in the NSC, put the ROM chip into the NSC, install the
software.
Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. -- rsuenaga@apple2.org
Publisher, _The Lamp!_, published monthly on Delphi
Posted by PTMM v2.5 - The integrated information solution
(RSUENAGA, 32530, GO COM A2)
<<<<<
"""""
thanks Ryan,
So you need software to make it work huh ? Won't ProDOS use it like a
normal clock, as if it were a GS. or does the software modify ProDOS to
work with the NSC.
Mark
(LUKE65816, 32546, GO COM A2)
>>>>>
"""""
> So you need software to make it work huh ?
yes.
> Won't ProDOS use it like a normal clock, as if it were a GS.
ProDOS knows of two "normal clocks".
1) The clock in the IIgs.
2) The Thunderclock (the original ProDOS clock).
If a clock works like a Thunderclock (like the TimeMaster II H.O.
supposedly did), then ProDOS will automatically recognize it. Conversely,
some software (such as ProTERM) will recognize a No Slot Clock if you
select it and install it in ProTERM even if ProDOS drivers aren't
installed.
> or does the software modify ProDOS to work with the NSC.
Yes.
Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. -- rsuenaga@apple2.org
Publisher, _The Lamp!_, published monthly on Delphi
Posted by PTMM v2.5 - The integrated information solution
(RSUENAGA, 32549, GO COM A2)
>>>>>
"""""
In message 'no slot clock (Re: Msg 32546)' RSUENAGA in response to
LUKE65816 said:
>> or does the software modify ProDOS to work with the NSC.
>
> Yes.
I took Luke's question as asking if the software patched ProDOS and I know
that earlier versions of the No Slot Clock software did just that.
However, I'm pretty sure that the most recent version of the software is a
*.SYSTEM program that you put on your ProDOS boot disk and made it the
first *.SYSTEM program so that it would be loaded, put a clock driver for
the No Slot Clock into memory and then start the second *.SYSTEM file.
Not owning a No Slot Clock or having ever used the software for it, I'm
just relying on my memory, though.
Jeff Blakeney
Dean of the Apple II University in the A2Pro forum
(JBLAKENEY, 32551, GO COM A2)
<<<<<
"""""
> However, I'm pretty sure that the most recent version of the software is
> a *.SYSTEM program that you put on your ProDOS boot disk and made it the
> first *.SYSTEM program so that it would be loaded, put a clock driver for
> the No Slot Clock into memory and then start the second *.SYSTEM file.
> Not owning a No Slot Clock or having ever used the software for it, I'm
> just relying on my memory, though.
There is a file SMARTWATCH.BXY in the current A2 Database here. It
contains an archive of utilities for use with the NSC. My recollection was
the same as yours until I looked in the archive. It appears that either
(a) you have a choice now of patching or not, or (b) you still have to
patch.
Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. -- rsuenaga@apple2.org
Publisher, _The Lamp!_, published monthly on Delphi
Posted by PTMM v2.5 - The integrated information solution
(RSUENAGA, 32552, GO COM A2)
[EOA]
[DDS]
DELPHI WILL DROP SUPPORT FOR TEXT BASED ACCESS
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>>>>> First the Letter <<<<<
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
To: All paying Delphi members
From: Rusty Williams, President of Delphi.com, Incorporated
As of November 1, 2000, you will no longer be billed for Delphi's
services. The "legacy services" including premium homepage services,
text-based online service, and Delphi e-mail will be provided on an
unsupported basis. If you're being billed monthly, your last bill will be
for October. If you paid an annual fee you will receive a pro-rated credit.
We're making these changes in order to focus our development and marketing
efforts on Delphi's free web-based forum services. With over 2.5 million
members, Delphi.com is now one of the top 150 sites on the web and growing
rapidly.
The legacy services may remain accessible, however, there will be no
technical support. You should make arrangements as soon as possible get an
alternative provider -- some options are described at the end of this
message.
Q & A -
(Q) Why is Delphi making these changes?
(A) For the past three years, Delphi has focused on building the best forum
services for people with a standard web browser and internet connection.
The site has grown to more than 2.5 million members and 80,000 active
forums. In order to maintain our leadership in this market, we must focus
our efforts on our strengths. The text-based services, e-mail services and
premium homepage services are all based on a technical platform that cannot
be maintained on a cost-effective basis.
(Q) What exactly are "Text Online Services", "Premium Homepages" and
"Delphi E-mail"?
(A) Depending on what type of account you opened and when, you may not even
be familiar with all of these terms. The Text Online Service was offered as
Delphi's primary service through the late 80s and early 90s. Prior to now
we've chosen to maintain this service and construct a "bridge" between the
old text interface and the newer web-based forums. This has become
impractical and too costly to support. The Premium Homepages were initially
offered in 1997 and 1998 and included special authoring tools and
additional storage for building homepages for a fee. Delphi E-mail is any
account that uses xyz@delphi.com as an e-mail address (e-mail was
originally provided in conjunction with Homepages and text
online services).
(Q) What does "unsupported" mean?
(A) We hope that it means that these services will continue to be
accessible for many months without any fees. If there aren't technical
problems, then you will be able to use them for free. You won't be able to
get technical support either by e-mail or phone so everything will be
entirely on an "as available" basis. If something breaks, we may commit the
resources to fix it or we may not. It will depend on the time, cost, and
level of use.
(Q) I use the text-based games such as TQ and Scramble on the web. Will
these be discontinued?
(A) Since these games are based on the old platform they are prone to
technical problems. Our hope is to continue providing the games, but it
will depend on the technical support costs.
Recommendation for alternative services:
E-Mail services: If you use Delphi.com for e-mail (your address is
something@delphi.com), you should immediately set up an e-mail account with
any Internet Service Provider or one of the free web-based providers such
as Hotmail (http://www.hotmail.com), Yahoo mail (http://mail.yahoo.com).
There is a list of over 5000 Internet Service Providers at
http://www.isps.com. Once you have a new account set up, notify all of your
existing contacts of your new address. You can arrange for your Delphi.com
e-mail to be forwarded to your new account by sending a request to
service@delphi.com.
Homepage services: you can set up free personal homepages at hundreds of
sites on the web. Some of the most popular include http://www.tripod.com,
http://www.homestead.com, http://www.geocities.com,
http://www.fortunecity.com, and http://www.xoom.com.
We appreciate your support of Delphi over the years and look forward to
your continued participation in Delphi's free forum services at
http://www.delphi.com.
Best regards,
Rusty Williams
President
Delphi.com Incorporated
>>>>> then some comments <<<<<
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Jeff (and everyone)
>>"However, if we don't find a new home before the text side stops
>> working..."
Y'all will remember that Syndicomm was ready when GEnie was dying. We built
a new home here.
We saw THIS coming too. We're not ready to make any public announcement,
but we will be, and it'll be a good one. :)
Roger,
>>"Where does all the wealth of uploaded files move to from here. :-("
We saved all the GEnie files, and we're not losing any from here either.
That's all I can say at the moment, but this isn't the first time we've had
to deal with a situation like this, and we've already been getting ready,
so it ain't no big deal. :)
Ryan,
>>"Stay tuned for announcements :)"
Well, we're maybe not quite ready for announcements, but PRE announcements
are in order...
PRE-ANNOUNCEMENT:
We'll have something to announce before too long, and it will be GOOD.
"Apple II Forever" (damn right!)
Gary R. Utter
(UTTER, 32582, GO COM A2)
>>>>>
"""""
If and when the textside -- which will be unsupported starting November 1
stops functioning, your telnet access will go away.
Delphi has not announced that the textside is being closed, but that they
plan to stop making any effort to keep it working after that date, which
means it could break and stay that way at any time after November 1.
Eric (Sheppy) Shepherd
sheppy@sheppyware.net
http://www.sheppyware.net
(SHEPPY, 32601, GO COM A2)
>>>>>
"""""
As soon as the working details of any alternative home are made available,
Crock 'O Gold will be reworked or revisited to handle it...
Don't worry, we won't leave you having to use any clumsy and slow web
interface from these alternative machines some people keep mentioning...
Ewen Wannop - Speccie
Delivered without using a IIgs by Spectrum 2.3 & Crock O' Gold 3.3
Bernie ][ the Rescue 2.5.1 woofing at 55Mhz on a G3/350
Home Pages: http://www.btinternet.com/~ewannop/
(EWANNOP, 32605, GO COM A2)
>>>>>
"""""
> Does this service change mean that COG won't work anymore?
COG will continue to work until the text side breaks. Remember, Delphi says
they will continue to provide text side access, they just won't be
dedicating as many resources (money) to it. If something expensive breaks,
it might not get fixed.
> Will I still be able to use this e-mail address?
I'm a little confused about this myself. The letter from Delphi
specifically states that anyone using an @delphi.com email address should
immediately setup an account elsewhere (yahoo, hotmail, etc.) They also say
that anyone using the Premium Homepage feature should find another freebie
Web home (geocities, xoom, tripod, etc.) My guess is that these services
will continue until something expensive breaks (just like the text side
access), in which case you'd be left without an email address and/or a
homepage.
Tony Ward
Apple II fan? Visit the {<http://www.delphi.com/apple2/start> A2} Forum!
(TONYW1, 32607, GO COM A2)
[EOA]
[BNH]
A2CENTRAL.COM AND SYNDICOMM TO BUILD NEW APPLE II HOME ONLINE
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
A2CENTRAL.COM AND SYNDICOMM TO BUILD NEW APPLE II HOME ONLINE
August 19, 2000--At KansasFest 2000 three weeks ago, Eric Shepherd, editor
of the popular A2Central.com web site and Syndicomm, manager of Apple II
forums for over five years, began discussing a plan to create a new Apple
II home on the Internet.
With Delphi's recent announcement that its text-based services would no
longer be supported effective November 1, 2000, A2Central.com and Syndicomm
have decided to pre-announce their services to help alleviate any concerns
among Apple II users over losing a valuable and moderated meeting place.
A2Central.com, over the coming months, will be intensively upgraded, with a
telnet-accessible message board, chat area, and file library, and with
World Wide Web access to the message board and file library. These services
will be provided at a small monthly fee (fee to be determined).
Other services will likely be added in the future; however, the immediate
goal is to prepare A2Central.com to take over Delphi's place in the Apple
II community if and when it becomes inaccessible to text-based Apple II
users.
At this time, we have no more specific information available. Please watch
A2Central.com (http://www.a2central.com) for future news on this matter.
Eric Shepherd
Editor
A2Central.com
Where "Apple II Forever!" isn't just a catchy slogan.
(SHEPPY, 32603, GO COM A2)
[EOA]
[EOA]
[A2P]------------------------------
A2Pro_DUCTIVITY |
-----------------------------------
DISTILLATIONS from Delphi A2PRO
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
by Lyle Syverson <lyle@foxvalley.net>
[MOS]
MARINETTI OPEN SOURCE PROJECT
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
------------------------------------------------------------------
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE -- 17TH AUGUST 2000
FROM: RICHARD BENNETT
I am announcing that I intend to release Marinetti, my proprietary TCP/IP
stack for the Apple IIGS, as open source.
My time for Marinetti development at the moment is limited, yet there are a
number of projects in the Apple II community which need some changes to the
code. Additionally, my test set up here is not currently adequate enough
for testing a Marinetti production environment.
The intention is to release parts of the source for developers to work on,
and to feed that back into the next/current Marinetti product. If this
process works well, then more source will be released, until the entire
code is freely available. I also see this as an interesting test of open
sourcing an Apple II product, which, if works, could be adapted to other
currently idle Apple II products.
There are a number of developers already involved in this project, and they
are currently helping me to develop a plan for release and maintenance of
the code.
Want to help?
The Marinetti Open Source Project has a home page (with very little on it
at this stage) at: http://www.apple2.org/mosp
This announcement was originally posted in Delphi's A2Pro forum. You may
publish this announcement, as long as the entire post is kept intact, from
the "FOR IMMEDIATE..." down to the copyright message below, inclusive.
COPYRIGHT (C) 2000, RICHARD BENNETT
------------------------------------------------------------------
(RICHARD_B, 3157, GO COM A2P)
[EOA]
[MLN]
MERLIN-16+ 4.12 Z.08
""""""""""""""""""""
Since january 1995, I've been using my own version of Merlin-16+ with added
functionality. Maybe others do as well. Considering Merlin is now public
domain (perhaps), it's probably time that I released my version.
My extended Merlin is available from my web site www.zip.com.au/~kashum,
just follow the link to "Old Apple II code".
I haven't touched it since about 1997, but it is code compatible with
Merlin 4.12, so much so that I have complete source to it.
Regards,
Richard
(RICHARD_B, 3170, GO COM A2P)
[EOA]
[ZBC]
ZBASIC BECOMES FREEWARE VIA THE LOST CLASSICS PROJECT AND UPLOADED TO A2P
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Name: ZBASIC128K.BXY (BASIC Programming)
Type: PROGRAM
Date: 18-AUG-2000 11:25
By : HKATZ
Size: 154880
ZBASIC is a BASIC compiler for 8-bit Apple II computers. These are the
ProDOS versions, of which there are two. One is for 64K models, and one is
for 128K models. Programs build using the 64K version run on any
ProDOS-compatible Apple II; programs build using the 128K version require a
128K system. The language has a number of extensions for graphics and
structured programming, a full-screen editor, a command-line interface, and
the compiler itself. You can run programs directly in the ZBASIC
environment or as stand alone ProDOS applications.
ZBASIC supports regular or Double Hi-Res graphics, allows you to integrate
text and graphics, and to customize your graphics sets.
It also supports DO/UNTIL and WHILE/WEND commands, RAM disks up to 8
megabytes, and has full mouse support.
This software has been reclassified as freeware by the Copyright holder,
ArtToday.com, inc (formally ZEDCOR, Inc.) and is released via The Lost
Classics Project. Please see the FREEWARE.NOTICE included on each archive.
This is the 128k version of Zbasic, saved as an 800k disk, and contains
sample files.
Keywords: COMPILER, BASIC, PRODOS, PROGRAMMING, EDITOR, GRAPHICS, DISK,
FREEWARE, ZEDCOR, LOST, CLASSICS, PROJECT, ZBASIC128K.BXY
********************
Name: ZBASIC64K.BXY (BASIC Programming)
Type: PROGRAM
Date: 18-AUG-2000 11:29
By : HKATZ
Size: 155648
ZBASIC is a BASIC compiler for 8-bit Apple II computers. These are the
ProDOS versions, of which there are two. One is for 64K models, and one is
for 128K models. Programs build using the 64K version run on any
ProDOS-compatible Apple II; programs build using the 128K version require a
128K system. The language has a number of extensions for graphics and
structured programming, a full-screen editor, a command-line interface, and
the compiler itself. You can run programs directly in the ZBASIC
environment or as stand alone ProDOS applications.
ZBASIC supports regular or Double Hi-Res graphics, allows you to integrate
text and graphics, and to customize your graphics sets.
It also supports DO/UNTIL and WHILE/WEND commands, RAM disks up to 8
megabytes, and has full mouse support.
This software has been reclassified as freeware by the Copyright holder,
ArtToday.com, inc (formally ZEDCOR, Inc.) and is released via The Lost
Classics Project. Please see the FREEWARE.NOTICE included on each archive.
This is the 64k version of Zbasic, saved as an 800k disk, and contains
sample files.
Keywords: COMPILER, BASIC, PRODOS, PROGRAMMING, EDITOR, GRAPHICS, DISK,
FREEWARE, ZEDCOR, LOST, CLASSICS, PROJECT, ZBASIC64K.BXY
(APULVER, 3163, GO COM A2P)
>>>>>
"""""
Name: ZBASICD1S1.BXY
Type: PROGRAM
Date: 18-AUG-2000 11:33
By: HKATZ
Size: 91264
ZBASIC is a BASIC compiler for 8-bit Apple II computers. These are the
ProDOS versions, of which there are two. One is for 64K models, and one is
for 128K models. Programs build using the 64K version run on any
ProDOS-compatible Apple II; programs build using the 128K version require a
128K system. The language has a number of extensions for graphics and
structured programming, a full-screen editor, a command-line interface, and
the compiler itself. You can run programs directly in the ZBASIC
environment or as stand alone ProDOS applications.
ZBASIC supports regular or Double Hi-Res graphics, allows you to integrate
text and graphics, and to customize your graphics sets.
It also supports DO/UNTIL and WHILE/WEND commands, RAM disks up to 8
megabytes, and has full mouse support.
This software has been reclassified as freeware by the Copyright holder,
ArtToday.com, inc (formally ZEDCOR, Inc.) and is released via The Lost
Classics Project. Please see the FREEWARE.NOTICE included on each archive.
This is the 128k version of Zbasic, saved as an 5.25" disk, side 1. Side 2
contains the 64k version.
Keywords: COMPILER, BASIC, PRODOS, PROGRAMMING, EDITOR, GRAPHICS, DISK,
FREEWARE, ZEDCOR, ZBASICD1S, 1.BXY, LOST, CLASSICS, PROJECT
********************
Name: ZBASICD1S2.BXY
Type: PROGRAM
Date: 18-AUG-2000 11:35
By: HKATZ
Size: 92544
ZBASIC is a BASIC compiler for 8-bit Apple II computers. These are the
ProDOS versions, of which there are two. One is for 64K models, and one is
for 128K models. Programs build using the 64K version run on any
ProDOS-compatible Apple II; programs build using the 128K version require a
128K system. The language has a number of extensions for graphics and
structured programming, a full-screen editor, a command-line interface, and
the compiler itself. You can run programs directly in the ZBASIC
environment or as stand alone ProDOS applications.
ZBASIC supports regular or Double Hi-Res graphics, allows you to integrate
text and graphics, and to customize your graphics sets.
It also supports DO/UNTIL and WHILE/WEND commands, RAM disks up to 8
megabytes, and has full mouse support.
This software has been reclassified as freeware by the Copyright holder,
ArtToday.com, inc (formally ZEDCOR, Inc.) and is released via The Lost
Classics Project. Please see the FREEWARE.NOTICE included on each archive.
This is the 64k version of Zbasic, saved as an 5.25" disk, side 2. Side 1
contains the 128k version.
Keywords: COMPILER, BASIC, PRODOS, PROGRAMMING, EDITOR, GRAPHICS, DISK,
FREEWARE, ZEDCOR, ZBASICD1S2.BXY, LOST, CLASSICS, PROJECT
(APULVER, 3164, GO COM A2P)
>>>>>
"""""
Name: ZBASICD2.BXY
Type: PROGRAM
Date: 18-AUG-2000 11:38
By: HKATZ
Size: 73728
ZBASIC is a BASIC compiler for 8-bit Apple II computers. These are the
ProDOS versions, of which there are two. One is for 64K models, and one is
for 128K models. Programs build using the 64K version run on any
ProDOS-compatible Apple II; programs build using the 128K version require a
128K system. The language has a number of extensions for graphics and
structured programming, a full-screen editor, a command-line interface, and
the compiler itself. You can run programs directly in the ZBASIC
environment or as stand alone ProDOS applications.
ZBASIC supports regular or Double Hi-Res graphics, allows you to integrate
text and graphics, and to customize your graphics sets.
It also supports DO/UNTIL and WHILE/WEND commands, RAM disks up to 8
megabytes, and has full mouse support.
This software has been reclassified as freeware by the Copyright holder,
ArtToday.com, inc (formally ZEDCOR, Inc.) and is released via The Lost
Classics Project. Please see the FREEWARE.NOTICE included on each archive.
This disk contains samples for use with ZBASIC, saved on a 5.25" disk.
Keywords: COMPILER, BASIC, PRODOS, PROGRAMMING, EDITOR, GRAPHICS, DISK,
FREEWARE, ZEDCOR, ZBASICD2.BXY, SAMPLES, LOST, CLASSICS, PROJECT
(APULVER, 3165, GO COM A2P)
[EOA]
[FTN]------------------------------
KFest 2000, FIRST-TIMER'S NOTES |
-----------------------------------
From The Editor
"""""""""""""""
by Lyle Syverson <lyle@FoxValley.net>
The friendly atmosphere, in the conversations and helpfulness permeated the
hallways, the meals, the field trips, the questions, the answers, etc.
TUESDAY
'''''''
Arrived just in time to join the trek to Gates BBQ. Arriving on Tuesday
was a good decision. This provided time Tuesday evening and part of
Wednesday to meet people in person, get organized, and learn my way around.
While communicating with other A2 users online (many of them for years) you
form a mental image of what they look like. In many cases my images of
people were shattered looking at pictures of previous KFests. For those I
had not seen pictures of, I was in for a real surprise as to what they
looked like.
WEDNESDAY
'''''''''
My natural alarm clock woke me up at 6AM. The sidewalks on campus served
as a varied path for my daily morning walk. I discovered that our dorm was
the only building on campus that did not have wheelchair access.
Supper was our first meal on campus. It was OK.
The Keynote Address
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
by Ryan was an enthusiastic presentation admonishing us to enjoy our Apple
II's. We also found out what Ryan's "special project" in preparation for
KFest was. A two CD set of most of the software from the GEnie (Genie) A2
library of software! Called "Time in a Bottle", we learned that it would
be available for purchase at the vender fair on Saturday.
The Reception
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
sponsored by Juiced.GS was held in the dorm lounge area. Lots of
fellowship with crunchy and liquid refreshments.
THURSDAY
'''''''''
Lost Classics by Howard Katz
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The basic steps for reclassifying software are:
1) Identify software that is worthy of the effort.
2) Determine the holder of the copyright.
3) Contact this person or company to negotiate permission.
4) Get the release in writing. (Either letter or Email.)
5) Prepare the files for upload, including a freeware notice.
6) Decide where to upload. Avoid sites with a questionable reputation.
7) Publicize the upload.
Individuals can help with any of the steps. Efforts need to be
coordinated. If you are interested contact Howard.
Proterm Mac Scripting by Dave Miller and Jerry Cline
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Proterm Mac has many features including outstanding scripting capabilities.
I have so much fun exploring things online that I never get around to
getting very deep into scripting.
Linux: The Apple II Cable modem Adapter by Ryan Suenaga and Kirk Mitchell
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Very interesting concept:
Cable Modem >-> Mac or IBM running Linux >-> Null Modem Cable >->Apple II
Provides shell access for the Apple II. You will need some help to set
this up.
Accelerators and Other Cards for the Apple IIs by Tony Diaz
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Planning to "upgrade your accelerator"? Do your research carefully. If
you don't know what your doing... "leave it alone".
Visit to Sean Fahey's A2 garage
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Computers, modems, cards, cooling fans, etc., etc. "If you can use it,
take it". Wow. Can't beat that price.
FRIDAY
''''''
Desktop Publishing by Max Jones
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Max shared with us ideas from his many years of experience of desktop
publishing.
New Stuff by Eric Shepherd
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Network Printer Setup will help you in getting your printer network
operating. Diskmaker can be used to convert a disk image back into a
physical disk. Lemonade Stand GS, based on a really old program for Apple
II computers, lets you go into business selling lemonade
Bernie and Ernie by Eric Shepherd and Ryan Suenaga
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A showing of the Apple IIgs emulators. This session included a guest
appearance by Henrik Gudat from Europe via the Delphi chat room. Included
was an announcement a program by Sarah Shepherd called GS ROM Grabber used
for capturing the ROM from your IIgs for use with an emulator.
Version 3.0 of Bernie ][ The Rescue 3.0 was also announced during this
session.
KFest Roast of Eric Shepherd
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The committee worked overtime to come up with many items from Sheppy's past
to turn up the heat and entertain the KFest crowd. Sheppy and Sarah were
good sports about it.
SATURDAY
""""""""
BeOS, BeIA, and Clipper by Eric Shepherd
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Most of the crowd was familiar with BeOS, an operating system for the IBM
computers. We learned about BeIA, for internet appliances. We were
introduced to Clipper, a prototype of a device that has the potential to be
programed for any one of a multitude of very specific tasks.
Spectrum Scripts 2000 by Geoff Weiss
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Included were an update of SIS (Spectrum Internet Suite) and SCAP. SFTP
(under developement) is a Spectrum script that will transfer files via FTP.
The Mystery Hardware Demo by Eric Shepherd
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
was delayed as long as possible waiting for a package to be received. The
package arrived after KFest so the demo was turned into a description.
LANceGS turned out to be a network card for the Apple II computer. Very
exciting.
Dinner at the KC Masterpiece
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Food was delicious. Fellowship was Delightful. Passes the "Parking Lot
Test" with flying colors. :)
SUNDAY
''''''
Breakfast, then head for home. Think about next years KFest all the way
home.
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION
''''''''''''''''''''''
Explore http://www.a2central.com/ for information about KFest 2000.
KFest 2001 will be at Avila College, Kansas City, Missouri, July 25-29.
Keep tabs on http://www.kfest.org/ to keep up with additional information.
[EOF]
[INN]------------------------------
EXTRA INNINGS |
-----------------------------------
About The Lamp! The Lamp! is published on the fifteenth of every month in
""""""""""""""" the Database of the II Scribe Forum on the Delphi online
service (GO CUS 11).
This publication produced entirely with real or emulated Apple II computers
using Appleworks 5.1 and Hermes. Apple II Forever!
* The Lamp! is (c) copyright 2000 by Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W. All
rights reserved.
* To reach The Lamp! on Internet email send mail to
thelamp@sheppyware.net
* Back issues of The Lamp! are available in the II Scribe Forum on
Delphi as well as The Lamp! Home Page,
http://lamp.sheppyware.net.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Opinions expressed herein are those of the individual authors, and do not
necessarily represent the opinions of the Delphi Online Services,
Syndicomm, Inc., Ryan M. Suenaga, or Lyle Syverson. Forum messages are
reprinted verbatim and are included in this publication with permission
from the individual authors. Delphi Online Services, Syndicomm, Inc.,
Ryan M. Suenaga, and Lyle Syverson do not guarantee the accuracy or
suitability of any information included herein. We reserve the right to
edit all letters and copy.
Material published in this edition may not be reprinted without the
expressed written consent of the publisher. Registered computer user
groups, not for profit publications , and other interested parties may
write the publisher to apply for permission to reprint any or all material.
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