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Note the following thread resulted from a statement in a file in DL10 of
ISSUES Forum entitled "LEAR.TXT." The statement reads as follows:


"Note: Cows and Humans are genetically similar.  In the event of a national
disaster, cow's blood can be used by humans."

The thread ensued.  It should be noted that the thread crosses two Sigs.
The first SIg is on the ISSUES Forum (Paranormal Subtopic) while other parts
were obtained through the GOODHEALTH Forum.  I will try to make notations
when change from one Forum to another.

Try to keep an open mind.



#: 132944 S10/Paranormal Issues
    28-Jan-88  22:35:50
Sb: #132941-UFO PHENOMENA
Fm: John LEar 71251,642
To: Ted Markley <s10> 76067,3777 (X)

Regarding the cows blood that statement came from 2 university studies. I 
will get you the names by tomorrow. I questioned that statement myself as a 
doctor I know said that what they probably meant was that a fraction of the

blood could be used.  But on further checking I found out that it can be
used whole.  I have the names somewhere so let me work on it.  Talk to you
later.



#: 133012 S10/Paranormal Issues
    29-Jan-88  18:10:21
Sb: Cows Blood
Fm: John LEar 71251,642
To: Ted Markley

Ted- in 1986 it was reported by Texas Tech University that cow blood can be
used in an emergency blood transfusion with humans because the hemoglobin so
closely matches human blood.  In February of 1984 Dr. James Womack of Texas
A&M University stated that big chunks of cattle chromosomes are identical to
large sections of human chromosomes, meaning that cow genes and human genes
fall in the same exact sequence on some chromosomes. Regards, John





#: 55150 S4/Health Questions
    27-Jan-88  20:51:13
Sb: #A strange question
Fm: Ted 76067,3777
To: All

I have a question and I know there will be a lot of people out there who will
chuckle.  I did at first and then thought "Well,  I have been surprised by a
lot stranger statements that this."  Well here goes... <Pausing to get up the
nerve>.  I read on another Sig Bulletin board that "in the event of a natural
national disaster cow's blood could be used in some cases as a substitute for
human blood..."  There I said it!  I don't believe it but I thought I best
check it out with a professional MD before exposing the quack.  Can any of
you professionals give me a statement I can quote on line?
Thanks.
Ted

1 Reply

#: 55174 S4/Health Questions
    28-Jan-88  09:57:48
Sb: #55150-#A strange question
Fm: June Brazil (Asst Sysop) 70007,3217
To: Ted 76067,3777 (X)

Ted,

Welcome to the Health Forum!

Believe me I have heard stranger questions.  I don't think there is any
compatablility between cow blood and human blood....in short if you gave a
person some cow's blood they would probably go into irreversible shock and 
die. I don't even think cows have the same blood type as people.

So tell us, where did you hear this amazing tale?

June

#: 55228 S1/General Discussion
    28-Jan-88  18:18:06
Sb: #A strange question
Fm: Ted 76067,3777
To: June Brazil (Asst Sysop) 70007,3217 (X)

I am doing some research to refute an article in the DL10 library of the 
ISSUES sig.  The file is Lear.txt and is making some pretty wild claims about
UFO's and some of the recent cattle mutilations.  Your comments will be of 
help.  Why don't you drop by (The Lear is a alleged member of the Lear of
Lear Jet fame.)





#: 133135 S10/Paranormal Issues
    31-Jan-88  09:59:01
Sb: #133012-Cows Blood
Fm: Ted Markley <s10> 76067,3777
To: John LEar 71251,642

John...
I droped over to the HEALTH Sig and asked if any of the MD's there
had ever learned that "cows blood could be used in an emergency."
I got only one reply and they said that they expected that if cows
blood were introducted into a human that it would cause the recipient
to go into shock and die.  I suppose that if these finding are as new as you
claim (1986) that with the rapid pace of new medical paper publishing
this individula has no yet gotten the word.  Do you perhaps have the name
of the paper and the person publishing it (and the DATE) from 
Teax Tech U. (what city is Texas Tech located in)?
This would enable me to give them a call and get a copy of the paper.
I an afraid that Dr Womack's Feb 84 paper a Texas AM won't do.  Just because
"big chunks of cattle chromosomes are identical to large
sections of human chromosomes"doesn't mean that they are 
compatible.
Regards, Ted

#: 133152 S10/Paranormal Issues
    31-Jan-88  13:09:25
Sb: #133135-Cows Blood
Fm: Alex Krislov 76703,243
To: Ted Markley <s10> 76067,3777

Actually, our DNA differs no more than 2% from that of some apes.

#: 133153 S10/Paranormal Issues
    31-Jan-88  14:07:38
Sb: #133135-Cows Blood
Fm: John LEar 71251,642
To: Ted Markley <s10> 76067,3777

Sorry, Dr. Womacks statement was in the paragraph discussing the whole
connection of the mutilations with the Dulce facility etc. etc.  Will work  on
getting you the info on Texas Tech on monday.  The doctors I talked to were as
uninformed as the ones you talked to vis a vis to cows blood, so don't feel
lonely. Talk to you later.



#: 55675 S1/General Discussion
    02-Feb-88  21:24:58
Sb: #55579-#A strange question
Fm: Ted 76067,3777
To: Dana Schmidt [Staff] 70137,452 (X)

Too bad Dana, they were both very good sessions.
The reason for all of these questions about cow blood is that I am currently
acting as a Temporary SysOp for the Paranormal section of the ISSUES forum.
In that forum we have had an individual whom put forth a hypothesis regarding
the whole abduction senario. (You can find it by downloading LEAR.TXT from
DL 10 of that Sig) I am going to now list a portion of the latest messsage
from that board. are you ready for this??? Here goes:



"Ted, in order to clarify the cow blood statement: It is the hemoglobin from the
cows that can be used by humans. The cows hemoglobin is extracted from the 
red blood cells, purified, stabilized, mixed in a saline solution and then
used by humans. The advantage in using cows is that they are so plentiful, 
and each cow supplies between 20 and 30 liters of blood.  Hemoglobin can be 
used from some mammals but not all mammals.  The hemoglobin of primates can 
be used just as well as cows', its just more expensive to process.  The 
purity of the hemoglobin is what affects the chance of cloting, heart attacks
and embolisms. The purer the hemoglobin the less chance of these.  Although some of us less
medically informed (me) use blood and hemoglobin interchangeably this is not
correct.  I will be changing the word blood to read hemoglobin on my
hypohtesis.  This research was done by Dr. Mario Fiola at the Texas Tech
University in Lubbock, Texas. Talk to you Later. Regards, John."



Well that was it.  Can you comment?
Regards, Ted
 
#: 55680 S1/General Discussion
    02-Feb-88  22:10:37
Sb: #55675-A strange question
Fm: June Brazil (Asst Sysop) 70007,3217
To: Ted 76067,3777

Ted,

It seems to me that in the process of purifying the hemoglobin the structure
would be undone and make it of little use.  Hemoglobin works because it is a
functional part of the red blood cells.....people are given red blood cell
fractions not hemoglobin fractions.  Has this Fiola`s work been published
anywhere?  I kind of doubt it.

June






#: 133280 S10/Paranormal Issues
    02-Feb-88  17:33:07
Sb: #Cows blood
Fm: John LEar 71251,642
To: Ted Markley

Ted, in order to clarify the cow blood statement: It is the hemoglobin from the
cows that can be used by humans. The cows hemoglobin is extracted from the red
blood cells, purified, stabilized, mixed in a saline solution and then used by
humans. The advantage in using cows is that they are so plentiful, and each cow
supplies between 20 and 30 liters of blood.  Hemoglobin can be used from some
mammals but not all mammals.  The hemoglobin of primates can be used just as
well as cows', its just more expensive to process.  The purity of the
hemoglobin is what affects the chance of cloting, heart attacks and embolisms. 
The purer the hemoglobin the less chance of these.  Although some of us less
medically informed (me) use blood and hemoglobin interchangeably this is not
correct.  I will be changing the word blood to read hemoglobin on my
hypohtesis.  This research was done by Dr. Mario Fiola at the Texas Tech
University in Lubbock, Texas. Talk to you Later. Regards, John.



#: 133292 S10/Paranormal Issues
    02-Feb-88  20:23:55
Sb: #133280-Cows blood
Fm: Ted Markley 76067,3777
To: John LEar 71251,642

Thanks John,  I will see what I can do to get more info on the
subject.  Hang in there.  It's tough going up against the
experienced UFOlogist.  They get so many crack pot claims that
turn out to be hoaxes and dillusions that they become almost
as skeptical as the Phil Klasses of the world (yet I hope just
a bit more open minded.)  When someone stands up to put forth
a hypothosis such as your with such dramatic claims one is bound
to draw fire.  They best defense is to have solid facts or at least
a good defensible position. Lets get some others to check out 
your ideas and see if it can easily be refuted.  (Don't give up!)
Regards, Ted




 
#: 55750 S1/General Discussion
    03-Feb-88  18:02:28
Sb: #55680-A strange question
Fm: Ted 76067,3777
To: June Brazil (Asst Sysop) 70007,3217

I am going to call the university and check on the works of Fiola.  Thanks. 
Ted



#: 55758 S1/General Discussion
    03-Feb-88  19:09:38
Sb: #55675-A strange question
Fm: Steven Dubin,VMD [Staff] 76074,55
To: Ted 76067,3777

I think it is wrong to leave any scintilla of the impression that cattle
hemoglobin can be used within the circulation of humans. Indeed, even human
hemoglobin, when liberated from the red blood cells by hemolysis is a very
dangerous material.  A much-feared outcome of transfusions and extracorporeal
circulation - even with the patient's own blood - is hemolysis leading to
liberation of hemoglobin into the plasma leading to renal shutdown leading to
death.  There are some highly experimental studies relating to "packaging"
hemoglobin in synthetic membranes, but these are far from being clinically
acceptable.


#: 55842 S1/General Discussion
    04-Feb-88  18:37:13
Sb: #55758-A strange question
Fm: Ted 76067,3777
To: Steven Dubin,VMD [Staff] 76074,55

Thanks for clarifying a very confusing subject.  Ted



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