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The Following is an interview with Barbra Becker conducted on Nov. 18, 1989 Geest: I welcome Barb Becker, one of the Founders and Directors of the UFO Research Network...My first question: Barb: Why did you start your organization? Becker: We saw a need for a real investigative organization here in Missouri and the St. Louis area in particular. Geest: Do you think that there is a lack of "true" investigative work being done in the field of UFOlogy? Becker: Yes. I think the organizations have sold out. I think that they are not doing the field work that needs to be done and are concentrating on sensational cases. Instead of collecting data, they seem more intent on "getting the BIG one" and writing a book. Geest: Understand. How will UFORN differ from say MUFON or UFOSLG? Becker: Well for one thing we aren't afraid to leave the area. We want to be able to mobilize at any time from anywhere, thus a concentration on getting people all over Missouri, Arkansas, Illinois, etc. involved. We are trying to build a REAL network of interested people. Geest: Does your group plan to publish anykind of newsletter? Becker: Eventually, but as it stands right now that is a future activity. Geest: To change the subject for a moment, Recently Whitley Strieber's movie Communion was realesed to local theaters. What are your comments on the entire Strieber "Phenomenon?" Becker: As an investigator I look at Strieber as a thorn in my side. It was hard enough before Strieber to sort out abduction cases now it's impossible. I think people should be aware but he has sensationalized it too much. I haven't seen the movie yet...actually I may not see it, I haven't decided yet. Geest: I also agree. Within the last 2 or 3 years the entire MJ-12 matter keeps comming up over and over again. We have the Lear files, Cooper, Moore, O.H. Krill and a host of others stating that the US government is behind a giantic coverup of UFO's..Do you have any comments on the MJ-12 material? Becker: I think it is highly probable that the U.S. Government is involved in a mega cover-up regarding UFOs. I think that the Roswell information, the slipped up press releases, the witnesses etc. attest to a cover-up. MJ-12? I think that Moore was getting very close to something in his work on the Roswell incident and "they" threw him the MJ-12 stuff as a diversion. If as he says he was playing both ends against the middle, then it seems likely that the info in MJ-12 was verbally fed to him. He then transcribed it photographed it, and delivered it to Shandera. He was looking for the "BIG ONE" too. Maybe he got a little too big! Geest: Interesting. At the recent "MUFON Show Me Conferance" here in the St. Louis area, wasn't Moore suppose to be one of the speakers... Becker: As far as I know he was. He was billed as a "Mystery Guest", but he didn't show up. We had a problem with him in 1985 at the MUFON Symposium held here. As I recall we weren't sure if he would show then. The mystery to me is why he keeps getting invited to speak. Geest: Moore does seem to be somewhat "elusive" after the UFO Coverup program. Next question. Recently in the news, The Soviet press reported a landing. Since this was carried by one of "the offical" USSR newspapers do you think that this means that the USSR government has acknowledged the existance of UFO's or this is just a result of the Soviet easing restrictions on their publications...Some Western journalists have hinted that since the reforms Gorbachev has institued along with that comes the "Tabloids"...in other words..What do you think about the Russian report? Becker: Well, it seems incredible but the Russians have always been more open to the paranormal than the US government. They have been conducting parapsychological research on an ongoing basis for years. That they should be less inhibited regarding the recent report does not surprise me. Unfortunately, I think they have been made a laughing stock by the world political community. One thing I find particularily interesting is the lack of interest within the UFOlogical community regarding the emblem drawn by the young witness on the side of the craft. Anyone familiar with UFOlogy should have picked up that the emblem seems to be identical to the emblem reported in the UMMO PAPERS by, I believe, Antonio Ribera. For years it has been belived that this was a hoax, at best the figment of Ribera's mind but how do we account for the same symbol appearing on the ship reported seen by the Russian boy??? Geest: For those readers who are not familiar can you describe the emblem? Becker: Maybe I can draw it. ]+[ That's basaically it. Geest: With the recent changes within the Eastern Block of nations, do you anticapate more information on UFO's from a source which was previsouly very closed mouthed....? Becker: No. I think they will succumb to US government pressure to keep it quiet. Geest: If I understand you, you think that the US government will put pressure on either the Soviet Union, or various Eastern countries to supress information...is that correct? Becker: Yes. Geest: interesting...Next question, back to UFORN. Does your group plan any specific events such as sky watching, or trips to various portions of the US such as the 4-corners area to follow up on research that has shown these areas for what ever reason seem to have a lot of UFO activity? Becker: We will definately have skywatches...they are a nice unifying experience. As for doing anything out of state we will have to see how things go. Geest: Barb: Have you yourself ever seen a UFO? Becker: Yes. More than once. I basically got involved through investigating the cattle mutilations in Elsberry, Missouri in 1978. At that time I saw what I would consider to be a "typical" UFO..."flying saucer". Geest: I recall the Elsberry case. If I recall correctly, didn't the local authorites pass it off as a "Satinic Cult" of some type. And Secondly, what did your investigation turn up? Becker: The investigation turned up 8 to 10 mutilations within a half mile radius from April to August. I personally saw, as I said before, what I consider to be a UFO within that half mile. I watched as others skirted treetops, appeared to descend and then rise. I have no idea what they were doing or why I was allowed to watch. Geest: Recently Dave Rapp a MUFON investigator conducted an investigation on cattle Mutations in Missouri, he reported that the incissions were very precise, I do not wish to dwell on this subject but for the sack of information in your investigation did you find simular markings? Becker: I was never lucky enough to get in immediately following a mutilation they were always decomposed. So you ask, how do I know they were mutilations? Well, I don't. What I have to go on is the testimony of the people of Elsberry, the farmers who have been on the land for generations, when they tell me that the cattle deaths were "unnatural" I believe them... who better to know? Also, Nocturnal Lights were seen in all the areas of the mutilations and one Daylight Disc as well...that places the UFOs in the vicinity of the mutilations for the specified time period. Circumstantial, but sometimes that is all have. I also took slides of the NLs. Geest: Next question, this again relates to UFORN. Do you percieve your group as a grass roots organization or an organization which will try to unite the various groups within the UFO community? Becker: I can walk on water...but I can't do that. It would be nice if the various groups could forget their differences and begin to work together but I don't see us as dedicating any time to the effort. I have been corresponding with Fran Ridge, MUFON State Director for Indiana, and we are exchanging information. This is what I hope to get from the BBS...all the sighting reports Ridge collects from all over the country. If UFORN is affiliated with any group it would be CUFOS. Geest: Barb: How can one get in contact with your group? Becker: Well, they can of course E-Mail us here or they can write: UFO Research Network P.O. Box 19744 St. Louis, Mo. 63144 314-862-2009 Geest: Barb Becker's network address is 161@3466. I wish to thank Barb for taking time out to discuss the various topics we have presented. Any comments may be addressed to 1@3466 or 161@3466... ng restrictions on their publications...Some Western journalists have hinted that since the reform