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From: srf@claudius.juliet.ll.mit.edu ( Steve Feinstein)
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Subject: Nixon and JFK Assassination
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In response to the poster's request for info on Nixon and Ruby:
In an FBI document released in 1975, the following memo was included, written
by a Bureau staff assistant to a government panel looking into organized-
crime activity in 1947:
It is my sworn statement that one Jack Rubenstein of Chicago, noted
as a potential witness for hearings of the House Committee on Un-
American Activities, is performing information functions for the
staff of Congressman Richard Nixon, Republican of California. It
is requested that Rubenstein not be called for open testimony in the
aforementioned hearings.
Toward the end of 1947, Rubenstein moved to Dallas and changed his name to
Ruby. The FBI claimed the document was a fake but the professor at
Holy Cross who discovered it and is expert in FBI documents says that it
was not a fake.
Nixon behaved suspiciously in Dallas on 11/22/63. He denied being in
Dallas when questioned by the FBI, but then changed the story to being
that he was there for board meeting of Pepsico. There is no such meeting
on record.
Also, Pepsico's advertising was handled by the same firm that worked to
sell the Pentagon's "peace" campaign. Nixon and Pepsi president Kendall
were longtime friends, and Nixon, according to the Justice Department,
eliminated all red-tape so that Pepsico could open up in the Soviet
Union. It was Kendall who formed the Save the Presidency Committee during
Watergate. Cartha DeLoach, the FBI liaison between Hoover and LBJ later
joined Pepsi-Cola.
Here are some taped conversations from Watergate that you will be interested
in:
6/23/72 (5 days after Watergate break-in: Nixon, Haldeman Oval Office.
Nixon: Of course this Hunt [Watergate burglar and CIA liaison with anti-
Castro Cubans E. Howard Hunt], that will uncover a lot of things.
You open that scab, there's a hell of a lot of things, and we feel
that it would be very detrimental to have this thing go any further...
it's going to open the whole Bay of Pigs thing up again.
...later same day:
Nixon: very bad to have this fellow, Hunt, he knows too damned much, if he
was involved--you happen to know that? [Hunt was in radio contact
with the burglars from across the street.] If it gets out that this
is all involved, the Cuba thing would be a fiasco. It would make the
CIA look bad, and it's very likely to blow the whole Bay of Pigs
thing, which we think would be very unfortunate--both for the CIA,
and for the country, at this time, and for American foriegn policy.
Just tell him to lay off...
Haldeman: [tells Nixon that the FBI was aware of CIA operatives involvement
in Watergate burglary] ...the problem is it tracks back to the Bay
of Pigs and it tracks back to some other, the leads run out to people
who had no involvement in this, except by contracts and connection,
but it gets into areas that are liabled to be realized.
Note: Hunt demanded $2million from Nixon to keep quiet and got it. Nixon
was out of office during the Bay of Pigs invasion. The "whole Bay of Pigs
thing" was over by the time he got back in office. So what do you think
they were talking about??? Hmmm...
--
Steve Feinstein
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From: srf@claudius.juliet.ll.mit.edu ( Steve Feinstein)
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Nixon and JFK Assassination
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Date: 29 Mar 91 21:13:03 GMT
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In article <SRF.91Mar29113043@claudius.juliet.ll.mit.edu> srf@claudius.juliet.ll.mit.edu ( Steve Feinstein) writes:
> 6/23/72 (5 days after Watergate break-in: Nixon, Haldeman Oval Office.
>
>Nixon: Of course this Hunt [Watergate burglar and CIA liaison with anti-
> Castro Cubans E. Howard Hunt], that will uncover a lot of things.
> You open that scab, there's a hell of a lot of things, and we feel
> that it would be very detrimental to have this thing go any further...
> it's going to open the whole Bay of Pigs thing up again.
>
> ...later same day:
>
>Nixon: very bad to have this fellow, Hunt, he knows too damned much, if he
> was involved--you happen to know that? [Hunt was in radio contact
> with the burglars from across the street.] If it gets out that this
> is all involved, the Cuba thing would be a fiasco. It would make the
> CIA look bad, and it's very likely to blow the whole Bay of Pigs
> thing, which we think would be very unfortunate--both for the CIA,
> and for the country, at this time, and for American foriegn policy.
> Just tell him to lay off...
>
>Haldeman: [tells Nixon that the FBI was aware of CIA operatives involvement
> in Watergate burglary] ...the problem is it tracks back to the Bay
> of Pigs and it tracks back to some other, the leads run out to people
> who had no involvement in this, except by contracts and connection,
> but it gets into areas that are liabled to be realized.
>
>Note: Hunt demanded $2million from Nixon to keep quiet and got it. Nixon
> was out of office during the Bay of Pigs invasion. The "whole Bay of Pigs
> thing" was over by the time he got back in office. So what do you think
> they were talking about??? Hmmm...
I might add that a letter exists from Lee Oswald to a Mr. Hunt:
Nov. 8, 1963
Dear Mr. Hunt,
I would like information concerding [sic] my
position.
I am asking only for information. I am
suggesting that we discuss the matter fully before
any steps are taken by me or anyone else.
Thank you,
Lee Harvey Oswald
This note came from Mexico City. Many researchers believe that E.H.
Hunt, who was in Mexico City at about the time this note was written,
and who was the CIA liaison to anti-Castro Cubans, may have been the
Mr. Hunt in the letter. Hunt is believed to have been in Dallas on the
day of the assassination.
--
Steve Feinstein
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From: PML3@NS.CC.LEHIGH.EDU (Paul Lewis)
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Subject: RE: Nixon and JFK Assassination
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There also exists a picture of Hunt to prove his presence in Dallas
during the assassination. He was one of the 'tramps' that the police
picked up by the railroad tracks.
Isn't it funny how Nixon was practically the only American who couldn't
remember where he was during the assassination? Not until others
claimed that they saw him in Dallas did he admit to it.
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From: gary@ism.isc.com (Gary Swift)
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Subject: Re: Nixon and JFK Assassination
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In article <01049101:57:11PML3@lehigh.bitnet> PML3@NS.CC.LEHIGH.EDU (Paul Lewis) writes:
>There also exists a picture of Hunt to prove his presence in Dallas
>during the assassination. He was one of the 'tramps' that the police
>picked up by the railroad tracks.
There was a TV program about the JFK assassination (sorry, I
forget which one it was) wherein Hunt was confronted about this.
Instead of reacting incredulously, as one would react when
accused of something utterly bizarre and/or implausible, his
reaction reminded me of a little kid caught doing something
naughty and starts backpaddling with lies. E.g., instead of
laughing as saying something like, "What a crock!" He sort of
looked blank, shook his head, and started stammering.
OK, I admit I hate the SOB, his fellow traitors, and what they
did to this country, and I would find it emotionally easy to
believe the same bunch was involved in the JFK assassination.
So I'm biased. But I would love to subject that little piece of
footage to a voice stress analysis.
BTW, Hunt was also reported to be at Chappaquidick (sp?) before
any virtually anyone else, like the local law.
Gary Swift, INTERACTIVE Systems Corp., Santa Monica, Ca., (213) 453 8649
internet: gary@ism.isc.com
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From: srf@claudius.juliet.ll.mit.edu ( Steve Feinstein)
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Subject: Re: Nixon and JFK Assassination
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In article <1991Apr02.001730.24011@ism.isc.com> gary@ism.isc.com (Gary Swift) writes:
> BTW, Hunt was also reported to be at Chappaquidick (sp?) before
> any virtually anyone else, like the local law.
Huh? Could you explain this? Who reported this, why was he supposedly
exactly wherever they say he was, and what's the implication? Are you
suggesting he had anything to do with a drunk driving accident? Or is
one of his skills first aid?
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Steve Feinstein
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From: gary@ism.isc.com (Gary Swift)
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Subject: Re: Nixon and JFK Assassination
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In article <SRF.91Apr2103451@claudius.juliet.ll.mit.edu> srf@claudius.juliet.ll.mit.edu ( Steve Feinstein) writes:
>In article <1991Apr02.001730.24011@ism.isc.com> gary@ism.isc.com (Gary Swift) writes:
>> BTW, Hunt was also reported to be at Chappaquidick (sp?) before
>> any virtually anyone else, like the local law.
>
>Huh? Could you explain this? Who reported this, why was he supposedly
>exactly wherever they say he was, and what's the implication? Are you
>suggesting he had anything to do with a drunk driving accident? Or is
>one of his skills first aid?
Sorry Steve, I can't back this up. I saw this allegation in a TV
program about Chappaquiddick whose name I don't remember. (Over
40; getting senile. :-)) I just checked 9 different books I have
on Watergate and read every page where Hunt and Ted Kennedy were
both mentioned according to the indices. There are lots of
passages about Hunt digging up dirt on Ted on behalf of Nixon's
general Kennedy paranoia, and in particular on the Chappaquiddick
incident, but I couldn't find any suggestion that he was actually
on the scene the morning after the accident.
In any case, the implication of the program was that Hunt was
poking around that morning before the story went public. How
he found out so soon was a mystery. I don't recall any suggestion
that Hunt was involved in the accident itself and didn't mean to
suggest that myself, although as I recall there was some