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Path: Terminal Software/ANSI Graphics Question
Subj: ANSI Graphics 91-04-27 21:44:22 EDT
From: Psycosis
Posted on: America Online
Is there ANY way for a IIgs to emulate ANSI graphics? I've got Proterm, but I can't figure out how. Is it possible?
Path: Terminal Software/ANSI Graphics Question
Subj: sure... 91-04-27 21:57:11 EDT
From: JeffdeSac
Posted on: America Online
ProTERM will not display ANSI graphics in any way, shape, or form. There are a few programs out there, though. Look around for AGATE. It's not //gs specific, but it will display ANSI. I'm not sure if there are any programs that are specifically made for the gs that display ANSI, though.
Path: Terminal Software/ANSI Graphics Question
Subj: ANSI 91-04-28 12:48:10 EDT
From: LL AndyW
Posted on: America Online
Download SnowTerm. It should be in the terminal program area here. It supports ANSI and graphics..
Andy..
Path: Terminal Software/ANSI Graphics Question
Subj: Snowterm, etcetera 91-04-28 18:06:55 EDT
From: Psycosis
Posted on: America Online
I tried Snowterm - but I can't get it to display ANSI. The board asks me if I can support ANSI graphics, I say yes, and I get garbage. I've tried in all three emulation modes. Can anyone help?
Path: Terminal Software/ANSI Graphics Question
Subj: Ansi graphics on a II 91-04-28 19:39:42 EDT
From: AFL DannyH
Posted on: America Online
Pschosis, the Apple II computers including the GS do NOT have the ability to support true ANSI. This is a hardware limitation not a software one. SnowTerm and Agate will get you as close as any application on the market. But, neither will give you ANSI graphics display. 16 background and 16 foreground with 132 column display is just out of the reach of the Apple II's.
dannyhaynes
Path: Terminal Software/ANSI Graphics Question
Subj: ANSI...again. 91-04-29 18:14:01 EDT
From: AFC GaryG
Posted on: America Online
There is NO program that does ANSI on the Apple II, and a full implementation would be very hard. (read virtually impossible)
SnowTerm, Agate...these are basically VT-100 emulations, NOT ANSI.
You can get colors with SnowTerm, and with both Agate & SnowTerm, you get the VT-100 screen tricks, but real ANSI? No.
Sorry.
Path: Terminal Software/ANSI Graphics Question
Subj: AGATE... 91-05-02 18:13:04 EDT
From: AFA JoeyS
Posted on: America Online
I've been playing with AGATE 069 (is that supposed to be 0.69?), and it's really quite nice, actually. Handled all the graphic characters and screen controls peachily, and the Zmodem, miracle of miracles, actually works. Very impressive: worth downloading and playing with. :)
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Subj: AGate 91-05-02 22:49:37 EDT
From: QuickTrack
Posted on: America Online
AGate is nice. Good program.
Path: Terminal Software/ANSI Graphics Question
Subj: SnowTerm, Agate 91-05-04 19:14:11 EDT
From: MUS1
Posted on: America Online
SnowTerm just does screen controls, it doesn't display graphics characters, Agate does both, each have their own good points... But neither, nor anything else, could be 100% "ANSI"...
Path: Terminal Software/ANSI Graphics Question
Subj: Agate 91-05-05 21:33:23 EDT
From: AFL DannyH
Posted on: America Online
I feel the unzip utility in AGATE makes it worth the download. Now all the zipped files here in the PC Forums on America Online as well as all the local BBS' are readily available to Apple II users.
dannyhaynes
Path: Terminal Software/ANSI Graphics Question
Subj: Agate and ZIP 91-05-06 04:27:16 EDT
From: LL AndyW
Posted on: America Online
I downloaded a file from here, just to look at the docs in it (a PC program), and found that out of about 8 entries, Agate would only unpack 2 of them. It looks like if the Reduce method 4 which seems to be rather common is not supported...
Looks like I'll have to keep UNZIP 2.0 so I can get everything.
Of course if I didn't have a GS, it wouldn't have done me any good...
Andy..
Path: Terminal Software/ANSI Graphics Question
Subj: Agate & Unzip 91-05-07 18:22:45 EDT
From: AFL DannyH
Posted on: America Online
Darn, I am sorry to hear that about AGATE. I have tried AGATE on three files from the PC Forums' Libararies. All three unzipped correctly. I am going to try to get the AGATE author for an ACM chat. Perhaps he can shed some light on the unzip utility's capabilities.
dannyhaynes
Path: Terminal Software/ANSI Graphics Question
Subj: Agate 069, Unzip 91-05-09 07:39:04 EDT
From: GSGM
Posted on: America Online
I downloaded Agate to try the UnZip process on it, but I don't see any instuctions in the manual on how to unzip files?
Does anyone know how?
I read in one of the messages here about UnZip2.0 where can I get that?
GSGM
Path: Terminal Software/ANSI Graphics Question
Subj: Agate 069 Quit 91-05-09 07:40:03 EDT
From: GSGM
Posted on: America Online
One more question, how do you quit Agate back to ProDos/GSOS?
GSGM
Path: Terminal Software/ANSI Graphics Question
Subj: Agate 91-05-09 07:58:43 EDT
From: LL AndyW
Posted on: America Online
To UnZip a file, just open it, select the individual pieces to extract, and it will just do it.
Check the opening menu, or OA-? for the other commands, including quit...
Andy...
Path: Terminal Software/ANSI
Subj: Ansi 90-12-02 22:57:29 EDT
From: TheBartman
Posted on: America Online
Is there a telecommunications program that allows the user to see IBM ANSI graphics?
Path: Terminal Software/ANSI
Subj: The problem 90-12-12 22:35:04 EDT
From: A2Evanglst
Posted on: America Online
Is that the ANSI Character Set isn't in the IIgs Rom...
Now if someone were to come up with a ANSI Font then the IIgs might be able to show off Ansi graphics.
Just my thought...
AFC JOhn
Path: Terminal Software/ANSI
Subj: ANSI font? Hmmm... 90-12-13 00:50:09 EDT
From: AFC GaryG
Posted on: America Online
Now that's an idea, but can we have a font that's in color?
(Actually, COLORS) The real thing about ANSI is not only the VT-100 stuff on the screen, but the colors. Seems Snowterm would be a good candidate for this, as it uses the SHR screen for display.
Path: Terminal Software/ANSI
Subj: Color ANSI Font... 90-12-13 19:43:51 EDT
From: Surak TFF
Posted on: America Online
Once you have a font, you can draw the letters in whatever color you choose, even on the 640 mode screen (a la AppleWorks GS)... The problem is getting someone to sit there and make a font...
Dan
Path: Terminal Software/ANSI
Subj: ANSI Font 90-12-15 12:24:21 EDT
From: GS Express
Posted on: America Online
Getting an ANSI font is no problem at all. If you can do something with it, I can have one uploaded here before the end of the day. I would just need to extract the ANSI font used by ZTerm on the Macintosh, and use Resspy to convert it to a GS font...piece of cake :)
Path: Terminal Software/ANSI
Subj: ANSI emulator 91-01-05 17:01:52 EDT
From: Runt S
Posted on: America Online
The AGATE program for the II,II+,IIe,IIc,IIgs.
They are able to see and duplicate the ANSI character for IBM, It is missing the colors but not the characters, it also doesn't have music...
Path: Terminal Software/ANSI
Subj: Colors are the problem 91-01-10 22:30:48 EDT
From: JohnSnow
Posted on: America Online
The real problem with color ANSI emulation -- and by ANSI emulation we're not really talking about an ANSI standard, only the IBM PC implementation of the same ANSI standard that the VT100 follows -- is that the GS doesn't have enough color capabilities to do it properly. Since ANSI color graphics allows the color to be changed at each and every character, there aren't enough color combinations available to do all combinations.
For example, in SnowTerm, dithering is not used due to readability considerations. A dithered font is very difficult to read. If you don't believe me, use the communications module of AWGS. If dithering is not used, any one scan line only has a palette of 4 colors to choose from. SnowTerm uses all four colors of the palette as follows: 1 color for the background, 1 color for the normal text color, one color for the BOLD text color, and 1 color for flashing text. Thus, there are NO colors left to implement alternate text and background colors!
Of coarse, if BOLD and flashing are not wanted, two colors would be freed up, but you still couldn't provide the unrestricted combinations of colors on any scan line.
--John
Path: Terminal Software/ANSI
Subj: WHERE CAN I GET AGATE? 91-03-01 00:41:39 EDT
From: Backdoor1
Posted on: America Online
I was wondering where to get AGATE. I can't seem to find it. Also, this is for GS Express, Did you ever get that ANSII font made. I have been looking for something that does ANSII for awhile.
Path: Terminal Software/ANSI
Subj: Where's AGATE? 91-03-01 02:58:26 EDT
From: AFC GaryG
Posted on: America Online
You can find the latest version of AGATE in the ACM. (Apple Comm Forum) Go Software Libraries/Terminal Software, and it's in the first screen.
Gary
Path: Terminal Software/ANSI
Subj: Backdoor 91-03-02 14:34:55 EDT
From: GS Express
Posted on: America Online
No, I haven't "made" the ANSI font yet. I wasn't actually going to make one from scratch...I was going to suck the ANSI fonts out of ZTerm on the Mac, and convert them to GS fonts using ResSpy.
Path: Terminal Software/ANSI
Subj: Thanks 91-03-03 01:04:50 EDT
From: Backdoor1
Posted on: America Online
Thanks guys for helping me find this...Does it do color graphics? Guess I'll find out. Later.
Path: Terminal Software/ANSI
Subj: AGATE 91-03-23 00:05:48 EDT
From: DONUT0
Posted on: America Online
I have a copy of Agate which I got off of Wuarchive.wustl.edu, but I can't seem to get to entering the autodial numbers do I have an old version of the program???
here's an idea perhaps we could make a compressed 320 mode font which would still alow for 80 columns (it could be done, there was an 80 column font using old apple hi-res) I was considering doing this, does anyone have a current list of the ansi/vt100 codes, I was thinking of trying to write a color ansi gs program..
-Donut0
Path: Terminal Software/ANSI
Subj: ANSI 91-04-01 22:47:55 EDT
From: AFL DannyH
Posted on: America Online
Donuto, to do ansi, you would have to display on your screen 132 characters per line. That's a little much for the Apple's built in video. There was a company that made a card to display 132 cols on the Apple. I believe it the card was called VideoTerm.
dannyhaynes
Path: Terminal Software/ANSI
Subj: 132 columns? 91-04-02 03:16:44 EDT
From: LL AndyW
Posted on: America Online
132 columns isn't necessary to use ANSI, however, there are other problems associated with ANSI that makes it impossible to do a full implementation on any of the Apple // series.
The card you mentioned is not the one that handles 132 columns. The one that does 132x48 is the UltraTerm. (I have one).
A limited ANSI can be implemented on the //gs, and an even more limited ANSI on the //e. Things like colored text/background can't be done on the text screen since there's no way to control individual character color, only the whole screen at a time, and IBM graphics characters aren't in the character set anyway.
Useing graphics mode, blinking characters can't be done, and a large interrupt buffer would be needed since scrolling the screen takes quite a long time..
Andy..
Path: Terminal Software/ANSI
Subj: ANSI 91-04-02 20:18:55 EDT
From: AFL Dyfet
Posted on: America Online
First, the software that ran '80 columns' on the old II hires actually did 70 columns, not 80! It used what were in effect 4 bit wide fonts and used some slightly odd video artifacts/phase shifting with II color image genoration cicutry to make an ALMOST readable 'm' with so few pixels.
In regards to ansi and the IIgs, there is no clear way to create a 640 mode font that would allow 16 foreground/background colors. Dithering would tend to 'smear' the font. You still have 4 colors/pixel resolution. You could change pallette sets for different print lines, but if a given line uses more than 4 colors, you will have problems :)...
Path: Terminal Software/ANSI
Subj: ANSI - blinking 91-04-13 12:43:29 EDT
From: JohnSnow
Posted on: America Online
Your absolutely correct in saying that there is no way to support full ANSI colors on the GS in 640 graphics mode. I've had countless requests for adding color ANSI support to my VT-100 emulator SnowTerm. I'd love to do it, but it just isn't possible.
The previous posting suggested that there is no way to do blinking text on the GS in graphics mode. This is not true. SnowTerm runs in 640 graphics mode on the GS and does implement all VT-100 character attributes including blinking, bold, reverse video, underline, and double height and double width characters.
--John
Path: Terminal Software/ANSI
Subj: Ansi & blinking characters 91-04-14 11:30:44 EDT
From: AFL DannyH
Posted on: America Online
John, thanks for the insight on the blinking characters on a GS. SnowTerm in my opinion, as well as many others, is the BEST VT100 emmulator available. I personally do not have a need for vt100, but those that do, should really try SnowTerm.
dannyhaynes
Path: Terminal Software/ANSI
Subj: SnowTerm 91-04-14 20:27:49 EDT
From: AFC GaryG
Posted on: America Online
I've said this about 100 times, and I'll say it 100 more if I have to. If you want VT-100, and you want to get as close to ANSI-type graphics as you're going to find for your IIgs, you want to get SnowTerm. It's as simple as that. Download Snowterm...try it, and if you like it, send John the (very fair) shareware fee.
Path: Terminal Software/ANSI
Subj: Snowterm 91-04-14 22:01:51 EDT
From: KimBrennan
Posted on: America Online
He already has my money.....
Path: Terminal Software/ANSI
Subj: Kim... 91-04-15 21:22:32 EDT
From: AFC GaryG
Posted on: America Online
Hooray for you! It's nice to see people paying the shareware fees. :)
Path: Terminal Software/ANSI graphics
Subj: ANSI graphics 90-04-18 23:05:57 EDT
From: ADAMMED
Posted on: America Online
why hasn't anyone developed an ansi emulator for the gs, i hate having to see ASCI screen when i sign on to local boards, most of which are ibm's or clones. is it even possible, or does it already exist, perhaps in some terminal program under a different name. any info would be greatly appreciated!
later
adammed
Path: Terminal Software/ANSI graphics
Subj: RE: ANSI Graphics 90-04-21 13:40:45 EDT
From: JohnSnow
Posted on: America Online
Because it's not easy to do. The graphics capabilities of the GS don't map nicely to PC ANSI graphics.
--John
Path: Terminal Software/ANSI graphics
Subj: There is a prototype ANSI 90-05-09 02:37:59 EDT
From: Mac Lir
Posted on: America Online
I've come across a prototype by an Author from Canada. It emulates ANSI graphics but only in mono. It freeware and the
author is looking for suggetions. Calls it AGATE.
Let's see, where did I put that file...
Path: Terminal Software/ANSI graphics
Subj: AGATE software 90-06-04 20:55:34 EDT
From: AFA RickD
Posted on: America Online
The AGATE software is online here in the NEW FILES AND FREE UPLOADING area.
Rick
Path: Terminal Software/ANSI graphics
Subj: Comments on AGATE 90-06-15 00:52:27 EDT
From: WagnerE
Posted on: America Online
While I appreciate the efforts of people developing software and giving it away. I have a hard time recommending AGATE to anybody. I played with it for a while on my IIgs and became disgusted. The user interface needs a lot of work, not very intutitive (sp?)
WagnerE :)
Path: Terminal Software/ANSI graphics
Subj: Comments 90-07-10 03:05:08 EDT
From: Smullen
Posted on: America Online
AGATE is a step in the right direction, but VERY far from being easy to use.