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Gemini Digest, Vol 18, Issue 58

Russtopia <rmagee (a) gmail.com>

Thank you all for the patient and informative discussions regarding the
'can of worms' I may have opened re: forms...

I think the responses below do address many, if not all, of the concerns
I initially had when proposing a form facility. I think it's great that
Gemini
strives to 'do more with less' and I can see some of these suggestions
are very clever. I'm going to try them out in an app of my own now :)
It just takes a bit of a different approach from HTML.

-Russ


On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 at 10:08, <gemini-request at lists.orbitalfox.eu> wrote:

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>    1. Viability of *apps* on Gemini? (tayevnge)
>    2. Re: Viability of *apps* on Gemini? [TECH] (Johann Galle)
>    3. Re: Viability of *apps* on Gemini? (nothien at uber.space)
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> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 13:53:01 +0100
> From: tayevnge <tayevnge at posteo.net>
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> Subject: Viability of *apps* on Gemini?
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> Hello,
>
> Please help me understand viability of creating simple form-based apps
> like message boards, job offer boards, etc on Gemini.
>
> I am aware there are no multi-input forms but there seem to be an
> "input" feature.
>
> Does Gemini support or intends to support meaningful user input and
> interactivity?
>
> Is it realistic to build real world "text applications"?
>
> How about multi-line user input, file upload etc?
>
> Any example apps?
>
> TIA!
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> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 15:12:28 +0100
> From: Johann Galle <johann at qwertqwefsday.eu>
> To: tayevnge <tayevnge at posteo.net>
> Cc: Gemini application layer protocol <gemini at lists.orbitalfox.eu>
> Subject: Re: Viability of *apps* on Gemini? [TECH]
> Message-ID: <6bd3c32e-7fe5-dbfb-a631-3ea7cf726570 at qwertqwefsday.eu>
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> On 2021-07-28T13:53+01:00, tayevnge wrote:
>  > Hello,
>
> Hello!
>
>  > Please help me understand viability of creating simple form-based apps
>  > like message boards, job offer boards, etc on Gemini.
>  >
>  > I am aware there are no multi-input forms but there seem to be an
>  > "input" feature.
>
> In theory you could do it, have a look at a recent thread on forms in the
> mailing list archives:
> <https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/004921.html>
>
>  > Does Gemini support or intends to support meaningful user input and
>  > interactivity?
>
> I don't think so, beyond what is already present with the input and secret
> input
> status codes, as well as just "being on a page".
>
>  > Is it realistic to build real world "text applications"?
>
> Probably not, why not use another protocol? (again, see the linked thread)
>
>  > How about multi-line user input, file upload etc?
>
> Multiline input is theoretically possible by percent encoding a linefeed.
>
> For file upload, maybe have a look at one of the adaptations mentioned in
> the
> linked thread (Dioscuri, Titan, and Inimeg)?
>
>  > Any example apps?
>
> Depends on what you would call an app. You can have a look at some pieces
> published on the mailing list:
> Tic Tac Toe (seems to be inoperable at the moment [1])
>  ?? ?<gemini://tictactoe.lanterne.chilliet.eu>
>  ?<https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2020/003712.html>
> Interactive Fiction
>  ?? ?<gemini://gemif.fedi.farm>
>  ?<https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2020/003725.html>
>
> Johann
>
> [1] It gives me a header of "30 ---------", which does not make sense.
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