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Hello everyone, I'm new here, and I've set up my Gemini capsule only a couple of days ago. I was writing a new article today when I had to reference a Web page, and I started thinking: What if there's a Web proxy for Gemini? I've seen Gemini proxies for Web, but not the other way around. Instead of external links, writers can add a link via the proxy, and the readers can stay in Gemini and read the referenced article. For example, if the proxy is at gemini://example.proxy, and the writer wants to link to https://example.com, they can add a link to gemini://example.proxy?https://example.com. When the proxy receives such a request, it can pass the link to Mozilla's readability script to clean it up, and then pipe the output through another script to convert it to gemtext. A link to the original Web page can be added to the top, in case the readability script couldn't do its job well enough. The output will be served to the user, and it will be cached for future requests (for one month, for example). Any ideas?
On 2021-02-10 23:46, Nader K. Rad wrote: > Hello everyone, > I'm new here, and I've set up my Gemini capsule only a couple of days > ago. I was writing a new article today when I had to reference a Web > page, and I started thinking: What if there's a Web proxy for Gemini? I guess that this come close to what you want: https://github.com/LukeEmmet/duckling-proxy (I've never tried it) -- La?rte
I have used duckling-proxy with Lagrange, and it makes a good static-Web browser. On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 6:09 PM <contact at medusae.space> wrote: > On 2021-02-10 23:46, Nader K. Rad wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > I'm new here, and I've set up my Gemini capsule only a couple of days > > ago. I was writing a new article today when I had to reference a Web > > page, and I started thinking: What if there's a Web proxy for Gemini? > > I guess that this come close to what you want: > https://github.com/LukeEmmet/duckling-proxy > > (I've never tried it) > > -- > La?rte >
On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 10:46:34PM +0000, Nader K. Rad wrote: > Hello everyone, > I'm new here, and I've set up my Gemini capsule only a couple of days ago. I was writing a new article today when I had to reference a Web page, and I started thinking: What if there's a Web proxy for Gemini? > > I've seen Gemini proxies for Web, but not the other way around. Instead of external links, writers can add a link via the proxy, and the readers can stay in Gemini and read the referenced article. > > For example, if the proxy is at gemini://example.proxy, and the writer wants to link to https://example.com, they can add a link to gemini://example.proxy?https://example.com. When the proxy receives such a request, it can pass the link to Mozilla's readability script to clean it up, and then pipe the output through another script to convert it to gemtext. A link to the original Web page can be added to the top, in case the readability script couldn't do its job well enough. The output will be served to the user, and it will be cached for future requests (for one month, for example). > > Any ideas? I have set up gemini://webgate.geminet.org/web.sh for that occasion. It's a simple cgi-script that uses gemget and duckling proxy. I still need to patch duckling proxy to rewrite all the hrefs in the html document, so you can follow them without leaving gemini, but for now, for a single referenced page on the web, it might already be useful.
On Wed, 10 Feb 2021 22:46:34 +0000, <me at nader.pm> wrote: > For example, if the proxy is at gemini://example.proxy, and the writer > wants to link to https://example.com, they can add a link to > gemini://example.proxy?https://example.com. When the proxy receives > such a request, it can pass the link to Mozilla's readability script > to clean it up, and then pipe the output through another script to > convert it to gemtext. A link to the original Web page can be added to > the top, in case the readability script couldn't do its job well > enough. The output will be served to the user, and it will be cached > for future requests (for one month, for example). This uses Mozilla's readability script, but doesn't deal with caching. https://git.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/cgi-scripts/tree/master/item/web.sh https://git.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/cgi-scripts/tree/master/item/web2gmi.js
On 11-Feb-2021 07:18, Andreas R. wrote: > On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 10:46:34PM +0000, Nader K. Rad wrote: >> Hello everyone, >> I'm new here, and I've set up my Gemini capsule only a couple of days ago. I was writing a new article today when I had to reference a Web page, and I started thinking: What if there's a Web proxy for Gemini? >> >> For example, if the proxy is at gemini://example.proxy, and the writer wants to link to https://example.com, they can add a link to gemini://example.proxy?https://example.com. > I have set up > gemini://webgate.geminet.org/web.sh > for that occasion. > > It's a simple cgi-script that uses gemget and duckling proxy. > > I still need to patch duckling proxy to rewrite all the hrefs in the html document, so you can follow them without > leaving gemini, but for now, for a single referenced page on the web, it might already be useful. Great to hear you found another way of using Duckling Proxy, but using it in this way does make for a more opaque and constrained web experience than it needs to. Really Duckling is intended as a scheme specific proxy - ie. you configure your client so it handles *any* web request transparently. In this way you don't need to rewrite any URLs and its always clear what URL you are visiting. Also the other side of the coin is that you make it harder for visitors to your gemini page to make their own decision how to open the URL. Some users will prefer to launch the system browser, others will use a client that could render the web page directly, and yet others still will use a scheme proxy. By wiring up the web link yourself, you constrain the end user to control that aspect of the experience themselves. Another, perhaps better fix, might be to update the client so it can use a scheme specific proxy like Duckling (HTTP) or Agena (Gopher) and share the update. There are a few that support this intrinsic gemini concept (GemiNaut, Amfora, Lagrange, AV-98, Diohsc off the top of my head). But each to their own! ? - Luke
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