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Hi all, Some of you may or may not be aware that Stephane Bortzmeyer gave a talk at FOSDEM to do with Gemini. I watched it, it was awesome, and Stephane handled the questions really well! Really well done, Stephane. https://fosdem.org/2021/schedule/event/retro_gemini/ -- Thomas
Thomas Adam writes:
> Some of you may or may not be aware that Stephane Bortzmeyer gave a
> talk at FOSDEM to do with Gemini. I watched it, it was awesome, and
> Stephane handled the questions really well!
Is there somewhere with video of this on-demand?
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| but stranger still is lost Carcosa.?
| ? Robert W. Chambers,The King in Yellow
On Sun, Feb 07, 2021 at 10:48:53AM -0500, Jason McBrayer <jmcbray at carcosa.net> wrote a message of 12 lines which said: > Is there somewhere with video of this on-demand? It will be on <https://video.fosdem.org/2021/> in some days.
On 07-Feb-2021 19:17, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > On Sun, Feb 07, 2021 at 10:48:53AM -0500, > Jason McBrayer <jmcbray at carcosa.net> wrote > a message of 12 lines which said: > >> Is there somewhere with video of this on-demand? > It will be on <https://video.fosdem.org/2021/> in some days. Hello I saw the slides for the talk are up - no video yet. I look forward to that when it is up I was a bit confused on slide 20 where you seem to be saying there are no hyperlinks in Gemtext https://fosdem.org/2021/schedule/event/retro_gemini/attachments/slides/4346 /export/events/attachments/retro_gemini/slides/4346/retro_bortzmeyer_gemini.pdf#page=20 I could not understand how that can be correct? Gemtext *is* indeed a hypertext format with hyperlinks. A hypertext is merely any form of text and links forming a graph structure that allows users to navigate the links. The only thing I thought was that you perhaps were referring to the fact that there aren't any within-paragraph markup. Regards ?- Luke
On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 10:46:19PM +0000, Luke Emmet <luke at marmaladefoo.com> wrote a message of 32 lines which said: > I could not understand how that can be correct? Gemtext *is* indeed > a hypertext format with hyperlinks. A hypertext is merely any form > of text and links forming a graph structure that allows users to > navigate the links. I disagree. Gemini has links but not hyperlinks. This is why, for instance, it is hard to translate automatically HTML (or any format with hyperlinks) in gemtext; you are forced to postpone the links at the end of the paragraph, thus losing context. Many users would be surprised if we told them Gemini has hyperlinks, when discovering how it works.
On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 08:46:57AM +0100, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 10:46:19PM +0000, > Luke Emmet <luke at marmaladefoo.com> wrote > a message of 32 lines which said: > > > I could not understand how that can be correct? Gemtext *is* indeed > > a hypertext format with hyperlinks. A hypertext is merely any form > > of text and links forming a graph structure that allows users to > > navigate the links. > > I disagree. Gemini has links but not hyperlinks. This is why, for > instance, it is hard to translate automatically HTML (or any format > with hyperlinks) in gemtext; you are forced to postpone the links at > the end of the paragraph, thus losing context. > > Many users would be surprised if we told them Gemini has hyperlinks, > when discovering how it works. The definition of hypertext does not specifically mention that the hyperlinks must be embedded multiple times within a line. It's perfectly fine if you only define hyperlinks in new lines, which is the particular case of Gemini. Therefore, Gemini is hypertext. -- Vasco Costa AKA gluon. Enthusiastic about computers, motorsports, science, technology, travelling and TV series. Yes I'm a bit of a geek. Gemini: gemini://gluonspace.com/ Gopher: gopher://gopher.geeksphere.tk/
> On Feb 15, 2021, at 10:31, Vasco Costa <vasco.costa at gmx.com> wrote: > > The definition of hypertext does not specifically mention that the > hyperlinks must be embedded multiple times within a line. It's perfectly > fine if you only define hyperlinks in new lines, which is the particular > case of Gemini. > > Therefore, Gemini is hypertext. Q.E.D. ?0?
Am 07.02.21 um 16:48 schrieb Jason McBrayer: > Thomas Adam writes: >> Some of you may or may not be aware that Stephane Bortzmeyer gave a >> talk at FOSDEM to do with Gemini. I watched it, it was awesome, and >> Stephane handled the questions really well! > > Is there somewhere with video of this on-demand? Up to now I just can't find this video. At FOSDEM they say: "All talks have been recorded and they will be made available on video.fosdem.org/2021 as soon as the presenter reviews their talk." Maybe this step is just missing? Or does anybody have a link? Martin
Hi Martin, On 15 Feb 2021, at 13:27, devel at datenbrei.de wrote: > Am 07.02.21 um 16:48 schrieb Jason McBrayer: >> Thomas Adam writes: >>> Some of you may or may not be aware that Stephane Bortzmeyer gave a >>> talk at FOSDEM to do with Gemini. I watched it, it was awesome, and >>> Stephane handled the questions really well! >> >> Is there somewhere with video of this on-demand? > > Up to now I just can't find this video. At FOSDEM they say: > > "All talks have been recorded and they will be made available on > video.fosdem.org/2021 as soon as the presenter reviews their talk." > > Maybe this step is just missing? Or does anybody have a link? > FOSDEM is run by volunteers, they are probably still recover from the event. It can take several weeks until the videos appear. It is a lot of work. Greetings Carsten
Am 15.02.21 um 13:33 schrieb Carsten Strotmann: > Hi Martin, > ... > FOSDEM is run by volunteers, they are probably still recover from the > event. It can take several weeks until the videos appear. It is a lot of > work. Ah, thanks. I didn't know the event so well. Then I will just wait. PS: Though, I'm so curious. :-D Martin
On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 01:36:18PM +0100, devel at datenbrei.de <devel at datenbrei.de> wrote a message of 12 lines which said: > Ah, thanks. I didn't know the event so well. Then I will just wait. I've just reviewed and approved the video so things are moving in the right direction.
Hi, On 15 Feb 2021, at 17:03, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 01:36:18PM +0100, > devel at datenbrei.de <devel at datenbrei.de> wrote > a message of 12 lines which said: > >> Ah, thanks. I didn't know the event so well. Then I will just wait. > > I've just reviewed and approved the video so things are moving in the > right direction. and the video is now available! <https://video.fosdem.org/2021/D.retro/> Greetings Carsten
On 16-Feb-2021 13:54, Carsten Strotmann wrote: > > and the video is now available! > > <https://video.fosdem.org/2021/D.retro/> > I just watched the video and I think it is excellent piece of outreach - thanks for making that Stephane. It would be a good item for a general Gemini public page for the gem-curious who drive by. It is a shame the Q&A at the end aren't recorded - I wonder what sort of questions came from the floor... You end with the question: Is Gemini too brutalist? Probably yes for some it will be on first contact. But it will return to them some time in the future as they are clicking through the popups, cookie acceptance panels, autostarting videos, and strangely familiar adverts. ?- Luke
On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 10:30:51PM +0000, Luke Emmet <luke at marmaladefoo.com> wrote a message of 25 lines which said: > It would be a good item for a general Gemini public page for the > gem-curious who drive by. Once we get a nice joingemini.org outreach Web page. (IMHO, it is very important to have such a Web site, but not urgent since programs today are not polished enough.) > It is a shame the Q&A at the end aren't recorded Many FOSDEM participants are privacy-conscious and do not want too much recording: the speakers consented, not the participants. Said in an other way: th Q&A is more free if it is not recorded. > I wonder what sort of questions came from the floor...
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