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I've been lurking here for a while but I'm less interested in bike shedding the spec and mostly just want to see what people can build with Gemini today. I've noticed new capsule announcements on here are sometimes tentative - people (myself included) are not sure if it's on-topic, I think. I'd like either another mailing list or a subject tag to highlight new capsules, software releases, and novel uses for the spec as it stands. There should be an accompanying statement that explicitly allows these announcements. That doesn't mean discussion of the spec should stop. I'm just wading through a lot of it to find what *I* want right now and maybe we can welcome new users better if we organised things differently.
On 29.11.2020 09:47, Caolan McMahon wrote: > I'd like either another mailing list or a subject tag to highlight new > capsules, software releases, and novel uses for the spec as it stands. > There should be an accompanying statement that explicitly allows these > announcements. We have the [ANN] subject tag for that I think. But that is currently used for both new software and new capsules. Maybe it would be an improvement to differentiate these two. And maybe this thread is also interesting: https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2019/000060.html That said I think it would not be worth setting up a separate mailing list. --- You can verify the digital signature on this email with the public key available through web key discovery. Try `gpg --locate-keys ...`
On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 04:26:19PM +0100, Johann Galle wrote: >We have the [ANN] subject tag for that I think. But that is currently >used for both new software and new capsules. Maybe it would be an >improvement to differentiate these two. Agreed that filtering by the [ANN] subject tag is pretty good for now; however, I do think that it would be helpful to encourage members to
> We have the [ANN] subject tag for that I think. But that is currently used > for both new software and new capsules. Maybe it would be an improvement to > differentiate these two. Sure, I'd be fine with filtering on the [ANN] tag, the filter might miss some discussion of interesting use cases, but it would catch 80% of what I'm interested in. What do you think about guidance on what's considered on-topic for the list? And perhaps guidance on when to use subject tags? This could be a couple of sentences in the Mailman page 'about' section Caolan
At 2020-11-30T10:06+01:00, Caolan McMahon wrote: > What do you think about guidance on what's considered on-topic for the list? As the current "About" information says that the list is about gemini, I think it is as well about new capsules, new software as about protocol discussion. Although I would consider protocol decision the normal thing to be found here. > And perhaps guidance on when to use subject tags? I could not find it last time, but the tag was "formally" introduced here: <https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2020/000748.html> I hope that answers some questions. --- You can verify the digital signature on this email with the public key available through web key discovery. Try `gpg --locate-keys ...`
On Mon Nov 30, 2020 at 10:06 AM CET, Caolan McMahon wrote: > > We have the [ANN] subject tag for that I think. But that is currently used > > for both new software and new capsules. Maybe it would be an improvement to > > differentiate these two. > > Sure, I'd be fine with filtering on the [ANN] tag, the filter might miss > some discussion of interesting use cases, but it would catch 80% of what > I'm interested in. > > What do you think about guidance on what's considered on-topic for the > list? And perhaps guidance on when to use subject tags? This could be a > couple of sentences in the Mailman page 'about' section I am actually extremely open to the idea of splitting the list into several separate lists, as commonly seen in large software projects like operating systems. Something like:
On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 2:26 PM Solderpunk <solderpunk at posteo.net> wrote:
> I am actually extremely open to the idea of splitting the list into > several separate lists, as commonly seen in large software projects like > operating systems. Something like: > > * gemini-users: for everyday Gemini users without any special interest > in the technical side of things. Announcements of new capsules, > projects like aggregators and "gemrings", authorship conventions, > advocacy/outreach, etc. Maybe announcements of initial releases of > new user-oriented software. Probably the busiest list? > * gemini-dev: for people authoring Gemini software. Discussion of > technical best practices, etc. > * gemini-admin: for people running Gemini servers. Do we actually need > this? Probably low traffic, for sharing e.g. IP addresses of > misbehaving clients. > * gemini-spec: for spec finalisation. Ideally low traffic, limited > membership, guaranteed in advance to be permanently set read-only > within a few months of creation. > * gemini-announce: very low traffic list only I can post to with > important announcements. > > How do people feel about this? I don't know how the list hosts feel so > can't guarantee this is possible, but I'm very happy to make enquires if > there's broad support for this. I for one think it's a good idea. I > know multiple people who have unsubscribed from this list after heavy > early involvement because it's just become too much to follow. > > Cheers, > Solderpunk I am very much in support of this idea. I recently switched to the digest format to reduce the number of incoming messages, but that has it's own issues. Sario
>I for one think it's a good idea. I >know multiple people who have unsubscribed from this list after heavy >early involvement because it's just become too much to follow. And, just to be clear, it's not only the volume of messages that prompted by suggestion. I think it would be good to consider what a friendly onboarding looks like for new users and content creators - be that on this list or a separate one.
On Mon, Nov 30, 2020, 20:26 Solderpunk <solderpunk at posteo.net> wrote: > On Mon Nov 30, 2020 at 10:06 AM CET, Caolan McMahon wrote: > > Sure, I'd be fine with filtering on the [ANN] tag, the filter might miss > > some discussion of interesting use cases, but it would catch 80% of what > > I'm interested in. > Same here. But, it's very likely to be forgotten alas. As such, I prefer solderpunks suggestion. I am actually extremely open to the idea of splitting the list into > several separate lists, as commonly seen in large software projects like > operating systems. Something like: [SNIP] How do people feel about this? [SNIP] > Love this list. My personal use cases are covered by announce + user. Specifically, I'd like to read about gemini content, and software/service (e.g GUS) announcements. Alex >
> My personal use cases are covered by announce + user. > Specifically, I'd like to read about gemini content, and > software/service (e.g GUS) announcements. Yes, announce + user is what I'd subscribe to. Solderpunk's description of gemini-users is exactly what I had in mind.
On Tue, 2020-12-01 at 16:19 +0000, Caolan McMahon wrote: > > My personal use cases are covered by announce + user. > > Specifically, I'd like to read about gemini content, and > > software/service (e.g GUS) announcements. > > Yes, announce + user is what I'd subscribe to. Solderpunk's > description of gemini-users is exactly what I had in mind. Just wanted to add my agreement with splitting into several lists. I will likely unsubscribe from this list and I know one more person that already did due to the volume of technical discussion and the manner in which it is conducted. I feel that it really would be a much nicer experience for users if the two are kept separate. :)
On 2020-11-30 20:05, Solderpunk wrote: > people who have unsubscribed from this list after heavy > early involvement because it's just become too much to follow. The mailing list is mirrored at nntps://gmane.io, so one could follow via ones favorite usenet news reader, e. g. Pan, tin, Thunderbird, etc. Wikipedia on Gmane: > Messages posted to the list by email will appear in the Gmane > newsgroup, and vice versa.
Solderpunk <solderpunk at posteo.net> wrote: > * gemini-users: for everyday Gemini users without any special interest > in the technical side of things. Announcements of new capsules, > projects like aggregators and "gemrings", authorship conventions, > advocacy/outreach, etc. Maybe announcements of initial releases of > new user-oriented software. Probably the busiest list? > It would be great if this was its own list. Seems like it could encourage more activity on the protocol. I'm in favor of this being created right away.
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