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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2021 09:30:10 -0600
From: Alex // nytpu <alex at nytpu.com>
To: Gemini Mailing List <gemini at lists.orbitalfox.eu>
Subject: Re: how to submit multi-line long form text to gemini?
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On 2021-07-09 01:05PM, David Messer wrote:
Am I correct in saying that as it stands there is no built-in way for
users to submit content via a multi-line free text field and that it
completely relies on secondary means to get content onto the system
running the Gemini server?
While the input codes (1x) do allow for inputting newlines, they are
limited to <1024 characters, so not too practical for freeform text.>
I've seen some suggestions on the mailing list that include using a
http frontend to submit content ... To me, that's just adding
complexity which is what I'm trying to get away from with Gemini.
I've always agreed that setting up an HTTP server just for input
defeats
the purpose of Gemini.
I had a very brief look at titan and inimeg but I don't think either
of those is capable of allowing users to type longform text into a
multi-line free text box.
They are actually capable of anything. Titan works almost exactly like
how HTTP input forms work, those are just wrapped up nicely in a GUI.
If you wrote a decent client for Titan then it would be
indistinguishable from an HTTP free text form. It could work like the
in-browser Wikipedia editor and edit an existing page (which is what
it's currently used for), but it also allows you to just submit
arbitrary text and your server can make use of a Titan upload however
it
wants (add the text to the end of a page as a comment, etc.). It's
just
a matter of there not being much good support or software for it right
now.
I have no experience with Inimeg other than seeing it pop up on this
list a few times, so I can't say anything about it.
The thought occurred to me that using INPUT I could implement an
edlin
style text editor but I thought I'd sound this out before committing
to that level of self-harm!
I believe someone got ed(1) working through Gemini, and it's... better
than nothing I guess. The link is eluding me right now though.
~nytpu
The ed wiki is very clever, but like ed, super frustrating and with limited feedback to the editor. I felt a huge challenge just adding 2 haikus.
I felt at first that gemini and gemtext could be this magical wiki protocol. And I get the drive to self contain. But the reality is that simplicity requires leaving things out, and not trying to do everything. The wiki was invented for http to provide a self - hosted page creation tool for html pages in http, but before it, people used separate tools and protocols to create and post web pages to to be viewed by browsers.
I now think for gemini that just is okay that you can't create pages in gemini. Part of gemini's DNA is the recognition that it lives in a milieu where other protocols exist that can do more or other related things. It didn't have to invent a hypertext transfer protocol to handle all the things.
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