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January 31 2020 Just finished reading Ronald Wright's 1997 novel 'A Scientific Romance' which I picked up after listening to his 2004 Massey lecture 'A Short History of Progress'. Will post something about Wright sometime soon. Got a somewhat belated reply from the National Renewable Energy Lab tour guide today. I'd pretty much written off hearing anything from them. Below is my original inquiry followed by the NREL reply. To my ear it's another sales spiel from the techno-optimist club but at least it sort of addresses the points I raised. Given that the NREL is always being targeted for budget cuts I can't really blame them for taking every opportunity to tout their worth to whomever is listening. Nonetheless, while "upcycling" select materials and fine tuning energy flows certainly helps, unless these efforts are coupled with a concerted move towards a net reduction in energy/material use--i.e. thwarting Jevons paradox-- as well as human population degrowth, I feel it's not going to do much to change humanity's current trajectory towards a collapse of some sort by mid-century. In many ways NREL is an excellent example of how proposed responses to our predicament framed within the current metanarrative of progress and growth actually curtails the implementation of meaningful corrections. "[C]ivilizations, like individuals, are born, flourish, and die; .. the very qualities which bring them into being --their drive, their inventions, their beliefs, their ruthlessness-- become indulgences that in the end will poison them." -- Ronald Wright, 'A Scientific Romance' -----Original Message----- From: J**** Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 To: Bosch, James Subject: Re: Thank You for Visiting NREL's STM Campus Hello, Thanks again for the tour; I'd been meaning to sign up for a while as I'm often hiking the nearby mesas and peaks from which NREL is often prominently featured in the view. A couple of questions came to mind after the tour that I'm hoping you can shed some light on. Regarding some of the technologies surveyed on the tour I was wondering to what extent embodied energy is factored into NREL research. Embodied energy concerns often come up in critiques of wind and solar sourced electrical generation, essentially that they don't produce more energy over their lifespans than was used to produce them so their net energy return on total investment is negative. Along similar lines, another critique of technologies being promoted as green and/or renewable is that they rely on the on non-renewable inputs such as rare-earth elements, lithium, and various metal ores, copper, iron, and nickel. Further, recycling of many of these non-renewable inputs is currently at very low levels and requires additional energy inputs yet arguably should be factored in if such technologies are to be considered sustainable. To what extent does NREL take such concerns into account in their systems/scenario analysis? Regards, J**** L*****, CO -----Reply Message----- From: "Bosch, James" To: J**** Subject: RE: Thank You for Visiting NREL's STM Campus Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 J****, Thank you for your questions. My apologies for a belated response; with the influx of external and internal communications, your email was buried in my inbox. Thank you for your patience. You are welcome to forward any follow-up questions. In its history, NREL has received some funding to explore embodied energy of materials--especially as it relates to Life Cycle Assessment (LCA). Focused LCA studies did look into materials used in the residential and commercial buildings industry but in a variety of different applications within the built environment. NREL's work today includes an emphasis of research in several key areas such as solar, wind, bioenergy, hydrogen and fuel cells, geothermal, buildings, transportation, energy storage, energy system integration, etc., but also has evolved to link the research to the circular economy--where all materials have the potential to be "upcycled". This means that the technologies can be peeled apart, reprocessed and converted back into the same technology or product. NREL's partners are also researching living building materials--which utilize biological organisms to utilize carbon dioxide from the surrounding environment and sequester it into the building material. The larger question NREL asks in buildings--is rather than just emphasize embodied energy--researchers look at the structures that will be built. They focus on how much energy will be required to operate the facilities; they research how much energy is going to be used on a daily and annual basis, and in turn, attempt to optimize designs. Researchers, when in partnership, can examine what mediums the structures are constructed with--and what is the value chain that delivers these products to market. This was accomplished through the Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) buildings program. By focusing upon energy efficiency and Net Zero Energy Design and product life cycles---the GHG emissions and natural resource dependencies can be reduced. These analytical questions help researchers optimize designs. Earlier in his NREL career, Dr. Michael Deru kept a life-cycle assessment (LCA) database. Here is his publication record--and many of his projects have studies LCA--which may have some reference to embodied energy of building materials: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Michael_Deru. NREL was able to look at some conventional building materials and the energy balance of PV and wind technologies--many of which generate more energy than they consume in their lifetimes---and reduce the amount of GHG emissions and water use. Energy recovery for some of these technologies is usually in months rather than years. You may access the cover page of the NREL LCA Database here: https://www.nrel.gov/lci/ or https://www.lcacommons.gov/lca-collaboration/search/\ page=1&group=National_Renewable_Energy_Laboratory. This LCA database is now part of a larger federal LCA commons. Here is one publication to read on the topic of energy flows and embodied energy of materials: https://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy18osti/70609.pdf Presently, NREL National Bioenergy Researchers are "unzipping" PET plastics with enzymes and unifying those materials with natural biomass polymers which upcycles the materials back into the original product. This does not stop humans from dumping the plastics in the oceans but at least offers an alternative for plastics that are not recycled fully. Please see this publication: https://www.cell.com/joule/pdfExtended/S2542-4351(19)30047-9 NREL is also researching ways to upcycle materials into wind turbine blades and other industrial products. By upcycling materials, composites at the end-of-use can be turned back into products rather than contribute to landfills. To learn more please see the NREL COMET: https://www.nrel.gov/news/program/2019/comet-brings-collaboration.html Another way to look at this research is develop processes of manufacturing that can create larger blades on the location of the actual wind farm. These temporary manufacturing facilities could improve the life cycle efficiencies while lowering wastes and emissions. Please let me know if you any other questions and I'll do my best to follow-up. Happy 2020! Sincerely, James Bosch NREL