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Path: lutzifer!mob
From: mob@lutzifer.UUCP (John Pecaro)
Newsgroups: bullet.general
Subject: you all are k-rad
Message-ID: <740@lutzifer.UUCP>
Date: 13 Feb 91 07:01:12 GMT
Distribution: bullet
Organization: Lutz Pelikan Systemberatung, Hamburg, West-Germany
Lines: 18
What the hell is this crap, you fuckin' lamers are bragging about how fuckin'
happy you are cuz supposedly all the lamers are gone with the death of video
and all those other k-rad nui's.. BULL-FUCKIN'-SHIT!
Dr. VMS goes on these elite trips.. He knows nothing!
Then there's these DNIC traders.. Com'on. Lamers personified!
And the idiot who can't hack a fuckin' 908 out dial.. FUCK YOU
3110908000xx.. 100 possibilities, start hacking
you worthless piece of shit.
from all the members at MoB - the ELIGHT way to be.
We were the makers of the 713 CBX outdial.
More coming soon.
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Path: lutzifer!mob
From: mob@lutzifer.UUCP (John Pecaro)
Newsgroups: bullet.general
Subject: you are all k-rad
Message-ID: <741@lutzifer.UUCP>
Date: 13 Feb 91 07:06:02 GMT
Distribution: bullet
Organization: Lutz Pelikan Systemberatung, Hamburg, West-Germany
Lines: 26
LAME LAME LAME!!!!!
What is with you all?
Boasting that TCHH, QSD, and all the other chats are 'kewl' beacuse video and
all the other lame nui's died.. That's bull!
And Dr. VMS goes on a big elite trip... BOOOOOOOO!!!!
Com'on.. You lamers are trading fuckin' DNIC's.. HELLA LAME!
And the idiot that needs the 908 outdial, hack it yourself, lazy sack!
3110908000xx... 100 possibilities. EASY
From all the members of MoB..
the makers of the 713 CBX's that died.
More coming soon.
MoB - the ELIGHT way to be
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Path: lutzifer!alien
From: alien@lutzifer.UUCP (Notus Yurase)
Newsgroups: bullet.general
Subject: k-rad
Message-ID: <742@lutzifer.UUCP>
Date: 13 Feb 91 14:42:22 GMT
Distribution: bullet
Organization: Lutz Pelikan Systemberatung, Hamburg, West-Germany
Lines: 16
This is such a great comedy club. Dr.VMS!!!, bahahahaha
nice handle, why dont you try something you know about?
Ohhhh, let's swap some DNIC lists (more ha's)...
MOD- Mexixcans of Doom... 'nuff said
Help me with od's... fuck you, you want the world on a plate?
bitnet... you'll only confuse yourself further.
NUI's... why do you really need it, you just call here and sit in chat's
for 5 or 6 hrs a day. Is that elite?
It's not really the fact that all the lamers can get here now
it's the fact that everyone is actually putting up with thier
blatent stupidity...
AL|EN
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Path: lutzifer!ronnie
From: ronnie@lutzifer.UUCP (Ronnie Kilmer)
Newsgroups: bullet.general
Subject: shut up
Message-ID: <743@lutzifer.UUCP>
Date: 13 Feb 91 14:57:54 GMT
Distribution: bullet
Organization: Lutz Pelikan Systemberatung, Hamburg, West-Germany
Lines: 13
actualy..its not the people that want to learn and ask questions that
sit there and give the chat systems a bad rep..its people like you `TOM'
and a few others that sit there and rag on every1 and make them feel like
shit(which it dont effect me cause i dont claim to be elite anyway)..
so why dont you shut up and give every1 a break..stop raggin on MOD..their
account is no longer on here so what good is it gonna do anyway?
and whoever was asking for that Outdial..there is no area code like that in
the US..oh wel..thats all i gotta say..
lateron
ronnie - Not /<-/Zad /Elyte
Not Lame
Just a hacker..
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Path: lutzifer!doctord
From: doctord@lutzifer.UUCP (Ben Smith)
Newsgroups: bullet.general
Subject: you
Message-ID: <746@lutzifer.UUCP>
Date: 13 Feb 91 19:11:31 GMT
Distribution: bullet
Organization: Lutz Pelikan Systemberatung, Hamburg, West-Germany
Lines: 10
Hi Mob, you seem to have a rather large attitude problem, as is evident
from your outbreaks of verbal diarrhea on this system. Do you regular
ly go for psychiatric check-ups, or perhaps even they can't help you.
Why don't you just act cool with people instead of putting them down
at every opportunity ?
Fools like you give real hackers a bad name.
Grow up
Dr. Devious
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Path: lutzifer!doctord
From: doctord@lutzifer.UUCP (Ben Smith)
Newsgroups: bullet.general
Subject: you
Message-ID: <747@lutzifer.UUCP>
Date: 13 Feb 91 19:15:26 GMT
Distribution: bullet
Organization: Lutz Pelikan Systemberatung, Hamburg, West-Germany
Lines: 10
I really give up with all you lot. When are you gonna grow up and start
treating other people like human beings instead of shit ?
In particular I am referring to mob, who seems to have an attitude problem
as large as my phone bill ! And also, stop these stupid MoD vs. LoD
and 'you lot are all lamers' type messages.
It really pisses me off, not to mention a lot of other people..
Lecture over.
Dr D.
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Path: lutzifer!zaphod
From: zaphod@lutzifer.UUCP (Sven Echternach)
Newsgroups: bullet.general
Subject: dnics foreign x25 nets
Message-ID: <748@lutzifer.UUCP>
Date: 13 Feb 91 20:51:31 GMT
Distribution: bullet
Organization: Lutz Pelikan Systemberatung, Hamburg, West-Germany
Lines: 17
Hi Doodes!
It sounds quite strange to me to change 'DNICs'! Why not even
change area codes? I got a nice one: (415)..Seems to b in SFO!
You find DNIC Lists in almost every x25 related publication...
I got a c00l NUA in USA, with DNICS and the actual costs/Network
snailmail address and so on...
Most countries also got their own TymNet Node, which you might call
to reach this country...
Anyway:
Anyone who wants this NUA just drop me a mail and say what u got to swap...
I look for globals/Whole USA with not so big delays for d/l (ZModem).
Does anybody know a direct dialup ( (617) or x25) for ai.mit.edu?
c ya
zaphod
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Path: lutzifer!mob
From: mob@lutzifer.UUCP (John Pecaro)
Newsgroups: bullet.general
Subject: Oooh
Message-ID: <749@lutzifer.UUCP>
Date: 14 Feb 91 00:22:19 GMT
Distribution: bullet
Organization: Lutz Pelikan Systemberatung, Hamburg, West-Germany
Lines: 15
Hmmm Ok, Dr. Devious.. ur oh so right.. i'm sorry the scene isn't tailored
to your needs.. Although I did find the bit about giving hackers a bad name
quite Humorous.. I mean hell, we're playin with your ego now eh?. MoB is
nothing more than a group of people that don't fuckin give a shit about reps,
hacking status, and or how eeeeelite you are.. If some1 was heckling you then
it's probably because you were going off on how elite or kewl u were or we
were just hella baked at the time. sooo basically..
Who knows?
Who Cares?
We sure don't..
we're MoB and we do believe there is hope
in the dnic traders!
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Path: lutzifer!blammo
From: blammo@lutzifer.UUCP (Fred Parker)
Newsgroups: bullet.general
Subject: mob
Message-ID: <751@lutzifer.UUCP>
Date: 14 Feb 91 04:04:27 GMT
Distribution: bullet
Organization: Lutz Pelikan Systemberatung, Hamburg, West-Germany
Lines: 6
Look "mob," you have a serious attitude disorder. You've posted 3 times.
Not one of those 3 said anything useful. You're wasting space babbling about
how mighty you are. No one's seen anything...and no one expects to, either.
You don't have to come here to impress anyone...but you sure as hell better
not come here to rag on everyone. People like you give everyone a bad rep.
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Path: lutzifer!hugh
From: hugh@lutzifer.UUCP (Hugh Denoncourt)
Newsgroups: bullet.general
Subject: assortedshit
Message-ID: <754@lutzifer.UUCP>
Date: 14 Feb 91 18:10:02 GMT
Distribution: bullet
Organization: Lutz Pelikan Systemberatung, Hamburg, West-Germany
Lines: 14
Well, DrVms, your posting of how to get the entire DNIC list... Those are words
The act of getting them and finding it, that is an action... A very useless
action... DNIC lists, trading DNICs etcetera is done with little or no
difficulty. Even scanning the DNICs exploring whats in each network requires
little skill although is much more useful than the obtaining of DNICs...
You are far from being a hero... As a matter of fact there aren't really any
heroes in this world... Welcome to the information age where knowledge passes
mainly through individuals and small groups of people and not through large
groups of people. In other words, those complaining that people ragging on
you are wasting your time are kidding yourself. Getting things accomplished
does not exist on this system. It will always be a meeting ground for all
who call themselves hackers. Nothing more than that. Post accounts, etc, if
you like but I think you are the ones wasting your time.
And ruining it for the rest of us...
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Path: lutzifer!drvms
From: drvms@lutzifer.UUCP (John Fisher)
Newsgroups: bullet.general
Subject: hugh.
Message-ID: <755@lutzifer.UUCP>
Date: 14 Feb 91 19:26:28 GMT
Distribution: bullet
Organization: Lutz Pelikan Systemberatung, Hamburg, West-Germany
Lines: 1
I never said 'I'm a hero.That post was a joke (you know humor?)..if you
proclaim yourself to be a 'hacker', why don't you post and indicate that
you know at least part of what your ego indicates...
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Path: lutzifer!hstreet
From: hstreet@lutzifer.UUCP (Julian Hensley)
Newsgroups: bullet.general
Subject: ?!?!
Message-ID: <756@lutzifer.UUCP>
Date: 15 Feb 91 00:59:00 GMT
Distribution: bullet
Organization: Lutz Pelikan Systemberatung, Hamburg, West-Germany
Lines: 22
Hmmm , heheh all this makes no sense.. First of all anyone who brings up
the fact that , 'ur ruining it for all of us', 'your making us look lame'
'your giving a bad name to hackers' ect,ect,ect.. You are probably in it
for the wrong reasons.. Probably cuz you have such a lame social life and/or
such little influance in the real world you look for a subsitute here or
in the hacking world.. Like it's some grand social event.. I mean who the
hell gives a shit if MoB starts raggin on you in non-threating ways, or if
someone goes off on you for trading DNICs (cuz its damn funny).. that's the
small picture.. Hacking has nothing to do with bragging about how much you
know, it's just if you get out there and do it.. It's not a grand group
effort.. It's indvidual or done in small groups..
God, the whining about MoB was funny... Like it would kill you to
change the channel or do you actually feel threatened that they might
change the image of hackers? I hear alot of people say.. The scene is getting
Soooooo lame now.. ? If you keep your shit away form k0de vmb posting kids
and just talk with people you trust it will always remain the same. So
what if QSD turned into a haven for GAY hot chatters.. then stay away or
find somewhere else to go.. just learn and if someone says prove urself..
thats just fuckin wasting ur time.
-fugazi
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Path: lutzifer!inasty
From: inasty@lutzifer.UUCP (Doug All)
Newsgroups: bullet.general
Subject: BS
Message-ID: <757@lutzifer.UUCP>
Date: 15 Feb 91 01:22:35 GMT
Distribution: bullet
Organization: Lutz Pelikan Systemberatung, Hamburg, West-Germany
Lines: 3
I agree with all this shouting back and forth about who is better or
whatever is stupid. Grow up and get a life. I'm sick of reading line after
line of nonsence. Post something useful or don't post at all!
-Inasty-
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Path: lutzifer!doctord
From: doctord@lutzifer.UUCP (Ben Smith)
Newsgroups: bullet.general
Subject: hmm
Message-ID: <758@lutzifer.UUCP>
Date: 15 Feb 91 19:22:00 GMT
Distribution: bullet
Organization: Lutz Pelikan Systemberatung, Hamburg, West-Germany
Lines: 13
Hi, I also don't give a shit about elitenss, or who is better at hackin
than whom, or any of that kind of crap. It just annoys me that there are some
people who have nothing better to do that slag each other off all the time.
Sorry If u took offence when I said u give hackers a bad name, but the way
some people on this sytem are carrying on, It might well do !
Also, I never complained that this system never catered for my needs, or
anyone elses for that matter. We've all got to make the best out of
what we've got...
Bye for now..
Doc Devious
/s
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Path: lutzifer!hugh
From: hugh@lutzifer.UUCP (Hugh Denoncourt)
Newsgroups: bullet.general
Subject: Well
Message-ID: <759@lutzifer.UUCP>
Date: 15 Feb 91 23:37:46 GMT
Distribution: bullet
Organization: Lutz Pelikan Systemberatung, Hamburg, West-Germany
Lines: 14
fhughazilosophy will prevail. Basically DrVMS I in general do not need nor do
I care to prove myself. If I were to prove myself I dont think I would make
attempts at providing the world with DNIC's but hey you can go about doing
your noble chivalric acts any way you like. Chivalry is not my thing. Code of
ethics which are anti-individualistic turn me off. I usually just read this
shit and say nothing but when the complaining came I thought that nothing is
more annoying than complaints. Inasty says stop this shit if you dont have
anything useful to say don't say anything. Well his post was pretty useless.
It says less than our posts that go back and forth say. But to me the hacker
attitude is important enough to be discussed in a general subboard. If you
want to talk about various systems,networks, and other intellectual things
go call a BBS but don't expect anything but bullshit, babbling, and
philosophical discussions here. Attempts at proving yourself only shows your
insecurity.
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Path: lutzifer!snarkboy
From: snarkboy@lutzifer.UUCP (Mike Danford)
Newsgroups: bullet.general
Subject: MIT Terminus
Message-ID: <762@lutzifer.UUCP>
Date: 16 Feb 91 07:25:46 GMT
Distribution: bullet
Organization: Lutz Pelikan Systemberatung, Hamburg, West-Germany
Lines: 14
Hmm... a whole lot of idiots around here, eh? Too much fighting and
ragging, etc. Oh well.
Someone asked for a way to get into MIT's systems. You can dial in at #
258-7111 (AC 617, right?) That's put you at the Terminus... is that
what you wanted? I hope so.
I also am looking for CIS accounts and perhaps a GEnie. Mail me.
I can trade a bunch.
Thanks.
"Write for me, and only me, a really extra special story...."
Snark!
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Path: lutzifer!oolon
From: oolon@lutzifer.UUCP (Robert McMillian)
Newsgroups: bullet.general
Subject: MoB
Message-ID: <763@lutzifer.UUCP>
Date: 16 Feb 91 11:25:42 GMT
Distribution: bullet
Organization: Lutz Pelikan Systemberatung, Hamburg, West-Germany
Lines: 15
would mob happen to have any relation to mod? quite odd, one dies,
and another one pops up. both have much in common. i would suspect them
to have the same members as well. in any case, i fail to see the use of
such groups. possibly, the only redeeming value they do hae is a release
of tension on others, by the members. still, that is not good..
mob members. i think i'll be bold, and say i know who is in mob,
and that i have their phone numbers, addresses, and credit cards. haha..
that was a mistake, should have kept that in. now they have ammo. oh,
dread no the day someone calls me 'colluphucker'. i'm goign to shrivel
and die.
hmm, maybe i'm joining up with this clique, this message has no point
whatsoever. i'll leave it at that...
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Path: lutzifer!mob
From: mob@lutzifer.UUCP (John Pecaro)
Newsgroups: bullet.general
Subject: Oolonfuck
Message-ID: <765@lutzifer.UUCP>
Date: 16 Feb 91 23:27:19 GMT
Distribution: bullet
Organization: Lutz Pelikan Systemberatung, Hamburg, West-Germany
Lines: 14
Man, small fucking 12-year old pre-pubescent hairless piece of
white-trash you are Oolon.. What a fuckin geek.. If you want to call us
names or heckle us and say we're worthless, or whatever that's fine but
I can't stand k0de-kid lamer threats from lame fucks like yourself..
d000d, I have MoBs phone#s, I know who's in MoB! gee, you're k00l. Well
after our little conversation Roger it seems you know about a whole nothing..
4 all its worth we are not connected in any way to Lod/Mod and Mod still exists
in every way. So Oolon, think twice before you come up with anymore loser
cbi threats or i'll take a trip north and pimpslap you around a bit..
at least think of an original way to take someone out... d00d, i got ur CCZ!
lamelamelame..
Supreme Pup [MoB]
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Path: lutzifer!oolon
From: oolon@lutzifer.UUCP (Robert McMillian)
Newsgroups: bullet.general
Subject: Idle Threats
Message-ID: <766@lutzifer.UUCP>
Date: 17 Feb 91 00:26:19 GMT
Distribution: bullet
Organization: Lutz Pelikan Systemberatung, Hamburg, West-Germany
Lines: 11
hmm.. good enough for me. now, if you are so supremely powerful,
mr. supreme pup, why don't you head on over to my house if you know my address?
make a little sense, eh? 'yeah, i have your address somewhere here..',
'ok, what is it?' 'oh, i'll call you back with it later'. ok, when am i
going to get my phone call? havne't heard from you for quite some time.
there is a difference between threats and humor, and obviously,
to some people, it's quite a thin line. i was merely joking around, and
i did make that quite clear. hmm, so, if we're going to have a little
brawl.. let's stop the bullshit..
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Path: lutzifer!mob
From: mob@lutzifer.UUCP (John Pecaro)
Newsgroups: bullet.general
Subject: Oolon is a c0ck suker
Message-ID: <767@lutzifer.UUCP>
Date: 17 Feb 91 00:52:12 GMT
Distribution: bullet
Organization: Lutz Pelikan Systemberatung, Hamburg, West-Germany
Lines: 12
Hehehehehe....
Nuclear Jello of MoB here....
Me an Supreme Pup called up 'ole Oolon earlier and gee, the man who claims
he has all our info knows NOTHING! Then he says he's tuff..
lightness. You need it. Drop the lameness.
Nuclear Jello of the ELIGHT >>MoB<<
Stay cool.. Smoke buds..
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Path: lutzifer!oolon
From: oolon@lutzifer.UUCP (Robert McMillian)
Newsgroups: bullet.general
Subject: haha
Message-ID: <787@lutzifer.UUCP>
Date: 17 Feb 91 07:05:07 GMT
Distribution: bullet
Organization: Lutz Pelikan Systemberatung, Hamburg, West-Germany
Lines: 14
'oolon knows nothing' well, whatever.. two ways you can interpret the
things that i say. 1) literally, or 2) with half a sense of humor.
somebody chose wrong.. and still htinks they know all.
speaking of knowing all, whatever did happen with you, jello? no
address i assume. cna office give you a bad time? now look, i don't see
how you can sit there, saying you're the all knowing ,and everyone else is
an idtoit, when you can't even supply a little info.
hmm.. so, am i officially the first to start a 'war' with mob? this
is great.. ahaha, 1 party wants to have a war, and the other wants to crack
a joke.. a bit twisted, but doesn't it resemble the middle east situation
a little too closely?
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Path: lutzifer!mob
From: mob@lutzifer.UUCP (John Pecaro)
Newsgroups: bullet.general
Subject: a war
Message-ID: <790@lutzifer.UUCP>
Date: 17 Feb 91 17:53:59 GMT
Distribution: bullet
Organization: Lutz Pelikan Systemberatung, Hamburg, West-Germany
Lines: 3
n feel it by now... If you publicly apologize everything will be ohk..
R a d i o a c t i v e *-* 4 S k i n
>> MoB <<
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Path: lutzifer!avogadro
From: avogadro@lutzifer.UUCP (Marc Bates)
Newsgroups: bullet.general
Subject: Doc Devious
Message-ID: <791@lutzifer.UUCP>
Date: 17 Feb 91 19:43:04 GMT
Distribution: bullet
Organization: Lutz Pelikan Systemberatung, Hamburg, West-Germany
Lines: 13
Here are the direct Tymnet Access numbers for the UK.. including Scotland and
Ireland, etc.
Belfast is (232) 234467
Birmingham is (21) 632 6636
Bristol is (272) 255 392
Cambridge is (223) 845 860
Edinburgh is (31) 313 2172
Leeds is (532) 341838
The two for London are:
(71) 489 8571 and
(81) 566 7260
See ya, Hap Hazard.
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Path: lutzifer!vmem
From: vmem@lutzifer.UUCP (George Jackson)
Newsgroups: bullet.general
Subject: war
Message-ID: <792@lutzifer.UUCP>
Date: 17 Feb 91 20:36:23 GMT
Distribution: bullet
Organization: Lutz Pelikan Systemberatung, Hamburg, West-Germany
Lines: 5
the fuckin message got cut, shit! well in short ooloncollafucker ur a loser
and only way to stop MoB from destroying you, is publicly apologizing...
Radioactive ForeSkin
>>MoB<<
/
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Path: lutzifer!doctord
From: doctord@lutzifer.UUCP (Ben Smith)
Newsgroups: bullet.general
Subject: war
Message-ID: <793@lutzifer.UUCP>
Date: 17 Feb 91 23:59:24 GMT
Distribution: bullet
Organization: Lutz Pelikan Systemberatung, Hamburg, West-Germany
Lines: 6
Hey oolon, don't let this bunch of childish halfwits push you around!
Take direct action!
B`Fn
Dr. Devious
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Path: lutzifer!mob
From: mob@lutzifer.UUCP (John Pecaro)
Newsgroups: bullet.general
Subject: hahahahahahahh
Message-ID: <797@lutzifer.UUCP>
Date: 18 Feb 91 01:50:59 GMT
Distribution: bullet
Organization: Lutz Pelikan Systemberatung, Hamburg, West-Germany
Lines: 10
Oolon's claim is that his 'threat' is a joke. That is just made up
bullshit. He wanted to boost his image and he UNSUCCESSFULLY TRIED to make
the members of MoB shit bricks. Nobody will ever have my info. Most of MoB's
info is secret. But not too hard to obtain. Although, don't try anything.
Oolon is gonna shut up.. He's scared. Getting his address is very easy, due to
the fact we have his number...
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Path: lutzifer!gypsy
From: gypsy@lutzifer.UUCP (John Mikels)
Newsgroups: bullet.general
Subject: sides...
Message-ID: <800@lutzifer.UUCP>
Date: 18 Feb 91 05:22:15 GMT
Distribution: bullet
Organization: Lutz Pelikan Systemberatung, Hamburg, West-Germany
Lines: 18
ok, I'm not on anyones side or anything... I don't have a preference either
way - it's just a 'fight' between some people... However, I do have one
observation/question... You'll notice how the mob members (Radioactive
Foreskin, Nuclear Jello, etc...) all use the same account ('mob') - which is
fine... Now here's my question/observation:
Radioactive ForeSkin was on (with the mob account) and posted a message that
got cut off... Then, a few messages later, he (R. F.) noticed that it was
cut off and corrected himself - explaining that it got cut off... Which
is fine, EXCEPT: The second post by Radioactive Foreskin was post from the
account 'vmem'... Did Virtual Memory make a mistake and accidentally
reveal his identity? Is V. Memory really Radioactive Foreskin? Just
wondering is all... I'm not on any side - just trying to watch what's
going on... Virtual Memory is/was not in MOD, right? Therefore, if Vmem
IS Radioactive FOreskin (for mob) - then that would mean that MOB and MOD are
definately NOT the same group (which many thought, at least for a while...)
Anyways - whatever... just wanted to bring that 'error?' to everyone's
attention...