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[2023-02-13T01:15:56Z] <niceguy5000[m]> you can go with a gamming pc with a threadripper and a 4090 gpu!! That will be insane build.
[2023-02-13T01:16:20Z] <niceguy5000[m]> with pci gen 5 and usb 4
[2023-02-13T01:17:07Z] <shokara_> I love my countless blobs in my computer that costs the same as a raptor talos 2 :DDDD
[2023-02-13T01:17:51Z] <niceguy5000[m]> The reason why I said to go with sbc cluster is you don't need blobs at all.
[2023-02-13T01:18:08Z] <shokara_> you can also simply use an older computer that doesn't have the blobs
[2023-02-13T01:18:39Z] <niceguy5000[m]> libre x200?
[2023-02-13T01:18:53Z] <shokara_> it's not like you need to compile chromium in under an hour every day
[2023-02-13T01:19:08Z] <shokara_> something like a desktop librebooted x200, yes
[2023-02-13T01:19:21Z] <niceguy5000[m]> is that what you use?
[2023-02-13T01:19:23Z] <shokara_> according to libreboot.org, the ga-g41m-es2l was just that
[2023-02-13T01:20:29Z] <niceguy5000[m]> what cpus does it support?
[2023-02-13T01:20:39Z] <shokara_> no, I have a ga-z77x-ud3h with a 3770k and r9 390. so a few blobs. (proprietary bios until coreboot ported, microcode, gpu)
[2023-02-13T01:20:46Z] <shokara_> desktop sandy bridge and ivy bridge
[2023-02-13T01:20:52Z] <shokara_> oh
[2023-02-13T01:21:02Z] <shokara_> the ga-g41m was lga 775, so some pentiums and core 2
[2023-02-13T01:21:18Z] <shokara_> core 2 quad iirc
[2023-02-13T01:22:11Z] <shokara_> >CPU Intel Core 2 Extreme/Quad/Duo, Pentium Extreme/D/4 Extreme/4/Celeron
[2023-02-13T01:22:21Z] <midfavila> laptops are cancer
[2023-02-13T01:22:58Z] <midfavila> re: desktop x200
[2023-02-13T01:22:59Z] <shokara_> agreed
[2023-02-13T01:23:03Z] <midfavila> the x series in particular is dogshit
[2023-02-13T01:23:06Z] <midfavila> i had an x201t
[2023-02-13T01:23:14Z] <midfavila> one of the worst devices i've ever owned
[2023-02-13T01:23:18Z] <shokara_> what I meant by desktop x200 is libreboot's description of the ga-g41m-es2l
[2023-02-13T01:23:24Z] <midfavila> o
[2023-02-13T01:23:27Z] <midfavila> fair enough
[2023-02-13T01:23:31Z] <shokara_> >This is a desktop board using intel hardware (circa ~2009, ICH7 southbridge, similar performance-wise to the ThinkPad X200. It can make for quite a nifty desktop. Powered by libreboot.
[2023-02-13T01:23:37Z] <midfavila> i'm arguing with someone about autoexec.bat optimizations being esoteric over telnet
[2023-02-13T01:24:00Z] <shokara_> but using a laptop for a desktop does seem uncomfy
[2023-02-13T01:24:39Z] <midfavila> extremely
[2023-02-13T01:24:44Z] <midfavila> even with a docking station they're bad
[2023-02-13T01:28:16Z] <niceguy5000[m]> you can buy them portable monitors for cheap.
[2023-02-13T01:28:35Z] <midfavila> cheap being multiple hundreds of dollars plus the cost of getting something that supports them
[2023-02-13T01:28:38Z] <midfavila> noth
[2023-02-13T01:28:39Z] <midfavila> x
[2023-02-13T01:30:21Z] <niceguy5000[m]> it's $100 for 1080 ips
[2023-02-13T01:30:50Z] <shokara_> I'd use the ga-g41m-es2l, but the core 2 extreme 4c/8t 3.2ghz cpu (qx9775) has 150W tdp...
[2023-02-13T01:33:52Z] <niceguy5000[m]> this could be good if you have like 1-3 pcs in the network with vnc.
[2023-02-13T01:34:24Z] <shokara_> the portable monitors?
[2023-02-13T01:34:25Z] <midfavila> i just want what amounts to a blobless thin client
[2023-02-13T01:34:46Z] <niceguy5000[m]> no the ga-g41m-es2l
[2023-02-13T01:34:47Z] <midfavila> i do a lot of work on sdf and it wouldn't be hard to move most of it over there
[2023-02-13T01:35:16Z] <niceguy5000[m]> it's 50 bucks and the cpu is 25-50 bucks.
[2023-02-13T01:35:23Z] <niceguy5000[m]> * 50 bucks for the motherboard and the
[2023-02-13T01:35:29Z] <shokara_> yup, but then there's the picky ram
[2023-02-13T01:36:56Z] <midfavila> god knows how much you'd have to spend to figure out what set of sticks works
[2023-02-13T01:39:22Z] <shokara_> I think it uses ddr2, which is fairly cheap
[2023-02-13T01:39:23Z] <shokara_> or should be
[2023-02-13T01:39:49Z] <midfavila> inb4 it's gotten way more expensive because rare vintage
[2023-02-13T01:39:57Z] <shokara_> :/
[2023-02-13T01:40:08Z] <shokara_> might as well sell my unused 4x2G DDR2 sticks then
[2023-02-13T01:40:17Z] <midfavila> R@RE RETRO GAMING VINTAGE
[2023-02-13T01:41:33Z] <shokara_> it's around $15 on ebay
[2023-02-13T01:41:43Z] <midfavila> how much does the board support, again?
[2023-02-13T01:41:45Z] <midfavila> 4gb?
[2023-02-13T01:41:47Z] <shokara_> and less, for the stick that libreboot's docs recommends
[2023-02-13T01:41:55Z] <shokara_> up to 16gb
[2023-02-13T01:42:02Z] <midfavila> wild
[2023-02-13T01:42:18Z] <shokara_> desktop sandy/ivybridge supported up to 32gb
[2023-02-13T01:42:43Z] <shokara_> for this though, 16gb would only be from 2x8GB sticks
[2023-02-13T01:42:43Z] <midfavila> 32gb still feels like a ton
[2023-02-13T01:42:49Z] <shokara_> because it only has 2 slots :/
[2023-02-13T01:42:54Z] <shokara_> it is
[2023-02-13T01:44:33Z] <shokara_> it's funny to see core 2 extreme cpus upwards of 130W tdp on ebay being sold with intel stock coolers
[2023-02-13T01:45:13Z] <niceguy5000[m]> if you had 2-3 of these pcs with vnc it become usable. one seems to low power for me.
[2023-02-13T01:45:31Z] <shokara_> over vnc seems like it'd make it slower
[2023-02-13T01:45:53Z] <shokara_> the only purpose I see multiple of these computers being useful would be with distcc
[2023-02-13T01:46:08Z] <midfavila> i mean
[2023-02-13T01:46:14Z] <midfavila> i've used weaker machines in the past without much trouble
[2023-02-13T01:46:27Z] <midfavila> as long as you don't intend to do a ton of web browsing with firefox or w/e they're totally fine
[2023-02-13T01:46:35Z] <shokara_> same, and that's why I don't see the point of multiple of these computers
[2023-02-13T01:46:50Z] <shokara_> especially with a core 2 quad or extreme, it seems perfectly fine to me
[2023-02-13T01:46:54Z] <midfavila> yeye
[2023-02-13T01:47:17Z] <shokara_> core 2 extreme for example seems to just be a hotter sandy/ivybridge i7
[2023-02-13T01:49:38Z] <shokara_> with a decent ati or matrox gpu and ignoring the picky ram, it seems like a fine computer to me
[2023-02-13T01:50:04Z] <midfavila> problem with matrox cards is that there's only like
[2023-02-13T01:50:06Z] <midfavila> two that are libre
[2023-02-13T01:50:15Z] <shokara_> sadly
[2023-02-13T01:50:49Z] <shokara_> I wonder if the older ati gpus also required external blobs
[2023-02-13T01:52:29Z] <midfavila> dunno
[2023-02-13T01:52:32Z] <midfavila> the really bleh
[2023-02-13T01:52:40Z] <midfavila> s/the really//
[2023-02-13T01:52:42Z] <midfavila> wtf me
[2023-02-13T01:56:42Z] <niceguy5000[m]> GA-G41M-ES2L with a 4090 card with be epic /s.
[2023-02-13T01:56:57Z] <niceguy5000[m]> s/with/would/
[2023-02-13T01:57:39Z] <shokara_> if that were to actually happen, I think it'd basically be a super power hungry gtx 480 and catch on fire :D
[2023-02-13T02:07:57Z] <niceguy5000[m]> does the QX9770 have ME?
[2023-02-13T02:10:37Z] <niceguy5000[m]> it can run gta 5 which is quite impressive. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=HNqwx0nGslc
[2023-02-13T02:10:39Z] <shokara_> probably, but it can be removed completely in this generation
[2023-02-13T02:11:00Z] <shokara_> well I think it can be
[2023-02-13T02:13:46Z] <niceguy5000[m]> can libreboot overclock the cpu?
[2023-02-13T02:14:03Z] <shokara_> iirc, overclocking from core/libreboot can only be done through msr registers in linux's sysfs
[2023-02-13T02:23:51Z] <midfavila> well i'm off to bed
[2023-02-13T02:23:57Z] <midfavila> don't burn the chat down while i'm away
[2023-02-13T02:26:45Z] <shokara_> gn
[2023-02-13T02:37:23Z] <niceguy5000[m]> are all amd gpus blobless?
[2023-02-13T02:39:21Z] <shokara_> definitely definitely not
[2023-02-13T02:39:26Z] <shokara_> I don't know about their older ati gpus though
[2023-02-13T02:39:43Z] <shokara_> but all amd gpus from amdgpu and most(?) from radeonkms are
[2023-02-13T02:45:22Z] <niceguy5000[m]> it's cost like 200 bucks to build libreboot desktop pc.
[2023-02-13T02:45:23Z] <niceguy5000[m]> not bad.
[2023-02-13T03:12:20Z] <sewn> Hi
[2023-02-13T03:18:42Z] <davidgarland> o/
[2023-02-13T03:19:15Z] <davidgarland> I see you've been playing with multilib again, how's your sanity doing
[2023-02-13T03:21:24Z] <niceguy5000[m]> wael what's your github?
[2023-02-13T03:33:34Z] <sewn> apprehensions
[2023-02-13T03:33:46Z] <sewn> davidgarland: stop stalking me
[2023-02-13T03:34:11Z] <sewn> my multilib isn't on github tho, most of my repositories are on codeberg
[2023-02-13T03:35:44Z] <davidgarland> xp my bad
[2023-02-13T03:36:52Z] <sewn> I did get it working very very quickly I'll say that
[2023-02-13T03:37:10Z] <davidgarland> nice
[2023-02-13T03:37:10Z] <sewn> what type of system are you on davidgarland ? Nvidia?
[2023-02-13T03:37:18Z] <davidgarland> amd, for both cpu and gpu
[2023-02-13T03:38:13Z] <davidgarland> still have yet to get a chroot or flatpak set up to play some games with, I thought I'd try doing minecraft and that that'd be "easy" but both multimc forks I've found use openssl 1.1.1
[2023-02-13T03:38:28Z] <davidgarland> so I don't actually know if my gpu fans work outside of boot setup or not
[2023-02-13T03:38:36Z] <sewn> could you install Vulkan-Tools and see if vkcube runs
[2023-02-13T03:38:56Z] <davidgarland> sure
[2023-02-13T03:39:27Z] <davidgarland> if it doesn't it won't say anything conclusive about your packages though, it may just be a sign of my own incompetence-- I haven't been doing this very long
[2023-02-13T03:39:37Z] <sewn> It will
[2023-02-13T03:39:50Z] <sewn> grepo and kiss-xorg mesa both don't have vulkan out of the box
[2023-02-13T03:40:11Z] <sewn> I have an nvidia system, and vulkan and other things are not provided by mesa
[2023-02-13T03:40:40Z] <davidgarland> I see
[2023-02-13T03:42:02Z] <davidgarland> "environment variable DISPLAY requires a valid value"-- is this because I'm running on wayland? Or will just doing DISPLAY=0 or something like that make it happy
[2023-02-13T03:42:20Z] <sewn> You're on Wayland?
[2023-02-13T03:42:39Z] <davidgarland> yes-- I mean, I have dwm, so I can switch over to that real quick and test there
[2023-02-13T03:42:42Z] <sewn> kiss-multilib was designed for X11 with some packages having optional support
[2023-02-13T03:42:47Z] <sewn> for wayland
[2023-02-13T03:43:01Z] <sewn> enable Wayland support in the vulkan-tools build file
[2023-02-13T03:43:21Z] <davidgarland> alright
[2023-02-13T03:43:48Z] <davidgarland> for the record I probably *will* fully switch over to X if it turns out to not have a noticable performance diff for me, dwm is comfy-- but ill try that
[2023-02-13T03:44:50Z] <davidgarland> building with {wl:-ON} gives me undefined reference to `vkCreateWaylandSurfaceKHR'
[2023-02-13T03:45:12Z] <sewn> I've tried running some apps like games on Wayland and it worked fine
[2023-02-13T03:45:18Z] <sewn> You have to enable wl for vulkan-loader as well
[2023-02-13T03:45:25Z] <davidgarland> a
[2023-02-13T03:46:20Z] <davidgarland> hmm, still gives me the "DISPLAY requires a valid value" message
[2023-02-13T03:46:32Z] <sewn> probably because xorg support is enabled
[2023-02-13T03:46:38Z] <davidgarland> ah
[2023-02-13T03:46:42Z] <sewn> you can't really escape X when it comes to gaming
[2023-02-13T03:46:52Z] <sewn> you need xwayland and in return you need libX11 and relaged
[2023-02-13T03:46:54Z] <sewn> related*
[2023-02-13T03:47:25Z] <davidgarland> I do have libX11, but not xwayland, so I'll grab the latter
[2023-02-13T03:48:01Z] <sewn> Bru might as well use xorg at that point
[2023-02-13T03:48:16Z] <davidgarland> true why bother with bad wm and bad terminal
[2023-02-13T03:48:42Z] <sewn> are you referring to xorg or Wayland I can't tell
[2023-02-13T03:48:46Z] <davidgarland> wayland
[2023-02-13T03:48:58Z] <sewn> what terminal and wm are you using
[2023-02-13T03:49:08Z] <davidgarland> foot and sway
[2023-02-13T03:49:19Z] <davidgarland> I tried dwl a long while back but it was very incomplete feeling
[2023-02-13T03:49:23Z] <sewn> noted
[2023-02-13T03:49:37Z] <sewn> yeah you can't use something like dwl when you want to use the big apps like games
[2023-02-13T03:49:42Z] <davidgarland> foot isn't that bad I'm just picky, I like ligatures
[2023-02-13T03:50:01Z] <davidgarland> yea
[2023-02-13T03:50:23Z] <davidgarland> when I got multimc running (back when you could still build that yourself) I had to patch dwl with a 'pointer constraints' patch someone made
[2023-02-13T03:50:31Z] <davidgarland> a phrase I had never heard that just means 'letting the window capture the mouse' lmao
[2023-02-13T03:50:37Z] <davidgarland> I just assumed that all WMs did that
[2023-02-13T03:50:55Z] <sewn> lmao
[2023-02-13T03:51:50Z] <shokara_> "back when you could still build that yourself" what do you mean by this? I haven't built multimc recently, but multimc 0.16(?) and polymc build easily for me
[2023-02-13T03:52:09Z] <davidgarland> I mean you have to do some fiddling with it, and they won't let you package it under the same name
[2023-02-13T03:52:13Z] <davidgarland> hence why polymc exists at all
[2023-02-13T03:52:18Z] <shokara_> 0.6.11* and 0.6.7
[2023-02-13T03:53:24Z] <shokara_> I thought polymc existed over telemetry concerns instead of branding. interesting
[2023-02-13T03:55:08Z] <davidgarland> less interesting is that there's a third, "prism launcher", started because of drama related to polymc's author saying something people didn't like and removing some peoples' perms
[2023-02-13T03:55:32Z] <shokara_> oh yes I forgot that one existed
[2023-02-13T03:56:51Z] <davidgarland> gonna rejoin on another device so I can fiddle with dwm a bit
[2023-02-13T03:58:06Z] <davidgarland> (I'm aware I could just use tmux sessions or something but it's whatever)
[2023-02-13T04:03:12Z] <testuser[m]123> Hi
[2023-02-13T04:03:17Z] <davidgarland> o/
[2023-02-13T04:03:19Z] <shokara_> greetings
[2023-02-13T04:58:12Z] <davidgarland> sewn: alright, progress. I didn't have my locale set that whole time so I had to set it and rebuild all my x11/xorg related stuff as it was giving me "warning: no locale support" even after setting the locale, now st and dmenu launch as usual
[2023-02-13T04:58:45Z] <davidgarland> running vkcube gives me "vkEnumerateInstanceExtensionProperties failed to find the VK_KHR_surface extension. Do you have a compatible vulkan instance client driver (ICD) installed?"
[2023-02-13T06:01:25Z] <davidgarland> gonna head to bed seeing as it's midnight, gn
[2023-02-13T06:02:46Z] <sewn> gn
[2023-02-13T06:02:55Z] <sewn> also seems that overrides for mesa need to be made
[2023-02-13T06:09:13Z] <niceguy5000[m]> Do you use multilib for roblox?
[2023-02-13T06:09:26Z] <niceguy5000[m]> s/roblox/Roblox/
[2023-02-13T06:41:48Z] <testuser[m]123> To write in the ways of the POSIX, she must bang your script with #!/bin/sh. That she bangs #!/usr/bin/env sh is wrongful for env is not a guarantee but a privilege. Only guarantee is her ability to she bang #!/bin/sh
[2023-02-13T06:43:38Z] <sewn> niceguy5000: bro how the hell did you know wtf
[2023-02-13T06:45:46Z] <niceguy5000[m]> https://github.com/vinegarhq/vinegar
[2023-02-13T06:48:24Z] <niceguy5000[m]> I did a bit of detective work.
[2023-02-13T06:51:00Z] <niceguy5000[m]> you're a goer, I didn't know. https://media.tenor.com/TCMWkxIkF9IAAAAi/dancing-gopher.gif
[2023-02-13T06:56:39Z] <sewn> what's it with people stalking me
[2023-02-13T06:58:17Z] <niceguy5000[m]> Wat... never...
[2023-02-13T07:40:14Z] <niceguy5000[m]> This is cool. GA-G41M-ES2L doesn't require external flashing.https://libreboot.org/docs/install/ga-g41m-es2l.html
[2023-02-13T08:13:46Z] <niceguy5000[m]> full blobless system without ME and a rx580 with blobless ath9k wifi.
[2023-02-13T08:21:06Z] <sewn> no
[2023-02-13T08:48:24Z] <niceguy5000[m]> wael: you run a full blob system?
[2023-02-13T09:07:11Z] <niceguy5000[m]> That's a shame
[2023-02-13T09:07:11Z] <niceguy5000[m]> https://media.tenor.com/wjJryaUHy1gAAAAd/seinfeld-shame.gif
[2023-02-13T12:30:59Z] <midfavila> >go to log in to SDF
[2023-02-13T12:30:59Z] <midfavila> >it's not accepting my password
[2023-02-13T12:31:03Z] <midfavila> what the f u c k
[2023-02-13T12:32:08Z] <sewn> hakced
[2023-02-13T12:32:15Z] <midfavila> nah I can access my webmail account
[2023-02-13T12:32:23Z] <midfavila> someone probably just fucked something up
[2023-02-13T15:30:47Z] <shokara_> "<niceguy5000[m]> This is cool. GA-G41M-ES2L doesn't require external flashing." except for the recent ones (i.e. aorus?), all the ivybridge era and earlier gigabyte motherboards have unprotected bios flashing
[2023-02-13T15:31:15Z] <shokara_> and on my one for example, if it's a bad flash and becomes bricked, there's a second bios chip that overwrites the bricked chip
[2023-02-13T15:31:49Z] <shokara_> if it's a good flash and posts well, then I flash both bios chips
[2023-02-13T19:07:15Z] <niceguy5000[m]> It's super cool, it only cost like 200 bucks for everything. you can 2-3 of these with KVM switches and split screen monitors. full blob less systems with the same performances as modern hardware. 3 of them are 12 cores. You can program the kvm switch with the keyboard, just like you would use dwm spaces.
[2023-02-13T19:07:27Z] <niceguy5000[m]> s/are/is/
[2023-02-13T19:12:01Z] <niceguy5000[m]> AMD 580 is 60-80 bucks.
[2023-02-13T19:56:48Z] <davidgarland> o/
[2023-02-13T20:09:46Z] <sewn> Hi
[2023-02-13T20:10:34Z] <davidgarland> hallo sewn
[2023-02-13T20:10:55Z] <davidgarland> btw I have confirmed my GPU works and all that, I ran glmark2 and the fans on it started spinning so there's that worry gone
[2023-02-13T20:20:21Z] <davidgarland> also maybe you're already aware of this but when I have those Vulkan packages installed, ffmpeg fails to build with an error saying "VK_EXT_VIDEO_DECODE_H264_EXTENSION_NAME" is undeclared, then asking "did you mean <the same thing but s/DECODE/ENCODE>?"
[2023-02-13T20:20:46Z] <davidgarland> maybe this is implied by the mesa thing you mentioned yesterday, I'm clueless about how all of this is interconnected
[2023-02-13T20:49:28Z] <midfavila> >SDF's login is broken because libdes is missing
[2023-02-13T20:49:30Z] <midfavila> VERY COOL GUYS
[2023-02-13T20:49:41Z] <midfavila> fdkjsahff VPS chads win again christ