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[2023-03-08T02:58:30Z] <rohan> hi [2023-03-08T02:58:47Z] <rohan> anyone can close swww issue in community? [2023-03-08T03:11:51Z] <midfavila> >mfw I'm getting almost twice what I expected as severance pay [2023-03-08T03:11:56Z] <midfavila> small win [2023-03-08T04:19:31Z] <sewn> Hi [2023-03-08T07:50:36Z] <testuser[m]123> Hi [2023-03-08T08:45:09Z] <niceguy5000[m]> hi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [2023-03-08T11:16:19Z] <Ellowee[m]> ih [2023-03-08T20:15:56Z] <sewn> triangle [2023-03-08T20:46:19Z] <midfavila> fucking GNU using stupid preproc directives to determine whether to pull in getopt from unistd god- [2023-03-08T20:46:47Z] <sewn> hello mid [2023-03-08T21:30:01Z] <sad_plan> hi [2023-03-08T21:30:39Z] <sewn> omg its sad_plan hi sad_plan [2023-03-08T21:30:50Z] <sad_plan> :') [2023-03-08T21:31:26Z] <sewn> oh no what's wrong [2023-03-08T21:32:33Z] <sad_plan> nothing :D [2023-03-08T21:32:38Z] <sad_plan> how you doing sewn? [2023-03-08T21:32:43Z] <midfavila> >why is sad_plan sad??? [2023-03-08T21:32:45Z] <sewn> I'm sleeping [2023-03-08T21:32:51Z] <midfavila> *thinking* [2023-03-08T21:34:56Z] <sad_plan> midfavila: because the world is a horrible place. corrupt goverments, people are starving. our waters are either running dry or being poisoned. people are cruel, and selfish [2023-03-08T21:35:03Z] <sad_plan> that one reason to be sad anyway [2023-03-08T21:35:25Z] <sad_plan> its true, atleast sortof. not that Im inherently sad about that. more angry perhaps [2023-03-08T21:35:59Z] <sewn> the sad plan to end humanity [2023-03-08T21:36:28Z] <sad_plan> also, I was looking at a video about awk, as I wanted to look more into it, but I fell asleep yesterday :p [2023-03-08T21:36:47Z] <sad_plan> not my plan anyway,, but perhaps someones. I dunno [2023-03-08T21:37:05Z] <sad_plan> im not completety sure about the elite's plan for our world [2023-03-08T21:37:42Z] <sewn> we are all going to die except for them fr [2023-03-08T21:38:01Z] <sad_plan> if everyone else die, so will they. eventually. they dont know basic survival skills [2023-03-08T21:38:17Z] <sad_plan> if the world comes crashing down, the rich would initially go down first [2023-03-08T21:38:32Z] <sewn> &how tho [2023-03-08T21:40:04Z] <sad_plan> well, appart from that some might have a emergency bunker or w/e, if your house burns down, they dont know how to create a fire, find food. basic stuff I mean. also, theyre likely squeemish about things not beeing in prestine condition, and 100% clean [2023-03-08T21:40:28Z] <sad_plan> which would make things just more funny from everyone elses point of view :p [2023-03-08T21:42:50Z] <sad_plan> if you give me a backpack with some basic stuff, and a sleeping bag, I suppose regular folks would make due, but not the rich fellas. they dont wanna sleep in a sleeping bag at all to begin with [2023-03-08T21:45:15Z] <sewn> cat [2023-03-08T21:46:13Z] <sad_plan> do you have a cat? I like cats [2023-03-08T21:46:42Z] <sewn> I like cats but I do not have a cat [2023-03-08T21:48:09Z] <sad_plan> you should get one [2023-03-08T21:48:17Z] <sewn> I cant [2023-03-08T21:48:27Z] <sad_plan> itll sit on your lap, or your desk when youre at your computer [2023-03-08T21:48:32Z] <sad_plan> why though? [2023-03-08T21:48:44Z] <sewn> taking care of a cat is very difficulty [2023-03-08T21:49:31Z] <sad_plan> a cat takes care of it self, what are you on about? just feed it and give it water. and take it to the vet if its ill [2023-03-08T21:50:10Z] <sewn> moneeyyyy [2023-03-08T21:50:45Z] <sad_plan> sure, theyre not free, atleast not here. and neither is catfood [2023-03-08T21:51:45Z] <sewn> cat [2023-03-08T22:38:35Z] <niceguy5000[m]> I feed my cat a vegan diet. beans and corn should do the job. [2023-03-08T22:39:00Z] <niceguy5000[m]> maybe a little bit of rice. and you have cheap cat food. [2023-03-08T22:48:33Z] <illiliti> stop torturing your cat and feed meat [2023-03-08T22:48:43Z] <illiliti> cats are carnivores after all [2023-03-08T22:49:51Z] <sad_plan> ^ [2023-03-08T22:51:51Z] <sad_plan> I remember seeing a video about a woman who was a vegan, and gave her dog vegan dogfood. she was on this tv show or something, showing of this stupidy, and she was persistent about her dog liking the vegan food better than regular dogfood. they gave the dog both, and it obivously chose regular food [2023-03-08T22:52:06Z] <sad_plan> I dont really understand why this stuff is hard for people to understand.. [2023-03-08T23:16:05Z] <illiliti> cuz people think they know better than nature [2023-03-08T23:16:33Z] <illiliti> but nature says fuck no! i've been living organism for trillions years, i've designed you and eveything on this goddamn planet and you stupid ape-man think you know better? [2023-03-08T23:16:54Z] <illiliti> then disaster comes [2023-03-08T23:17:48Z] <illiliti> no offense to anyone here, everyone make mistakes [2023-03-08T23:21:24Z] <midfavila> idea: motif/xaw frontend for kiss [2023-03-08T23:22:00Z] <sewn> How and why [2023-03-08T23:22:42Z] <midfavila> very bored mid, and because having a nice, clean GUI integrated with CDE or something similar would be very nice [2023-03-08T23:23:08Z] <sewn> if its a frontend you will have to reinvent the wheel [2023-03-08T23:23:23Z] <midfavila> wat? no, not really [2023-03-08T23:24:42Z] <sewn> kiss is CLI you're gonna have to parse output check exit codes and output the output of kiss to the window, requires a whole terminal implementation [2023-03-08T23:25:07Z] <midfavila> lmao no that's stupid [2023-03-08T23:25:50Z] <midfavila> you can just parse a given repo and then let the user page through it, choose what they want, what operations to perform, etc and then fire off the corresponding commands [2023-03-08T23:26:15Z] <shokara> that's what other gui package managers do right? [2023-03-08T23:26:20Z] <midfavila> with a more rigid definition of what a repo is and a few backwards-compatible extensions you could even do things like have little descriptions of what a package is and does, etc [2023-03-08T23:26:25Z] <sewn> ok so the user basically won't see what the fuck kiss is doing.. [2023-03-08T23:26:31Z] <shokara> at least that's what my experience with cydia (for deb) was like [2023-03-08T23:26:36Z] <midfavila> yes, sewn, that's the point [2023-03-08T23:26:42Z] <midfavila> to get rid of visual clutter [2023-03-08T23:26:53Z] <shokara> you can show what kiss is doing in a separate window when you install a package(s) [2023-03-08T23:27:01Z] <midfavila> this is also an option [2023-03-08T23:27:14Z] <midfavila> i would prefer to keep what's happening under the hood or very subtle until there's an error [2023-03-08T23:27:28Z] <midfavila> at which point start flipping tables and throwing up notifications and stuff [2023-03-08T23:31:55Z] <midfavila> also re: parse output that's not the right approach at all to this. kiss is essentially just a library in shell to automate tasks - it doesn't really do anything unique on its own, so all you would do is output the results of configure scripts and etc. that approach would be better for a utility like, say, ps, which (to my limited knowledge) is implemented in different ways on different unixen [2023-03-08T23:32:08Z] <midfavila> so parsing output would actually be a fairly sane way to do things in that particular context [2023-03-08T23:32:34Z] <sewn> I just wanted to exaggerate it [2023-03-08T23:33:07Z] <sewn> without showing kiss's output I think it can be rudimentary [2023-03-08T23:33:20Z] <midfavila> even showing its output would be trivial [2023-03-08T23:33:31Z] <shokara> the way I'm thinking how (most if not all?) gui pm's work is just executing the build command directly (like kiss b portname) besides searching for packages [2023-03-08T23:33:51Z] <midfavila> run command, capture return, display a small status report in the lower left of the main window ala early email/web clients based on it [2023-03-08T23:33:53Z] <shokara> at most, the parsing is only used when searching for packages [2023-03-08T23:33:59Z] <midfavila> shokara, that's basically what i was thinking