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Title: From Germany to Bakur
Author: CrimethInc.
Date: October 22, 2015
Language: en
Topics: Germany, kurdistan, Read All About It, interview
Source: Retrieved on 2nd December 2020 from https://crimethinc.com/2015/10/22/from-germany-to-bakur

CrimethInc.

From Germany to Bakur

Since their successful defense of KobanĂŞ against the Islamic State a

year ago, the Kurdish resistance movement has captured international

media attention. Meanwhile, their experiments in forming a stateless

society in the autonomous cantons of Rojava have fascinated anarchists

across the world. But in order to understand the Kurdish resistance in

Rojava (western Kurdistan), we need to take a broader look at struggles

for freedom and autonomy across the region. We interviewed two members

of a network of internationalist anarchists in Germany who have spent

time in Bakur (northern Kurdistan), learning from the struggles taking

place there. Beginning with a historical overview of the emergence of

the Kurdish movement and the PKK’s “new paradigm” of the last decade,

they describe how their experiences in Kurdistan have reframed their

understanding of anarchist struggles elsewhere across the globe.

In our feature “Understanding the Kurdish Resistance” and episodes

36 and 39 of the Ex-Worker podcast, our discussion of the Kurdish

struggle for freedom and autonomy focused on Rojava (western Kurdistan).

But important struggles are taking place in other parts of Kurdistan as

well, some of which haven’t received as much attention. Could you

provide some historical context for the emergence of the Kurdish

movement, and describe the struggles unfolding today in Bakur (northern

Kurdistan)?

Well, the story begins with people sitting around a campfire in Upper

Mesopotamia long, long ago. Around 4300 years ago, a new social

structure began evolving in the Middle East, a highly aggressive form of

social organization that attacked the old communitarian structures: the

Sumerian priest state. The historical process that led to the revolution

in Rojava can’t be understood without recognizing the long tradition of

resistance and uprisings in the Kurdish regions across the Zagros and

Tauros mountain chains. It’s the area that was probably first targeted

for colonization by the evolving state system, whose roots lay in Lower

Mesopotamia, today’s northern Iraq, and which was also the predecessor

of today’s Western state system. The PKK and the Kurdish movement today

understand themselves within this long tradition of anti-governmental

resistance, counting themselves as the 29^(th) Kurdish uprising in

history. The Kurdish regions always lay on the edge of strong empires,

and have faced attacks by basically every imperial structure that

emerged in the region since a few thousand years ago. Because of the

mountainous terrain and the Kurds’ decentralized social organization in

village confederations, these regions were never fully conquered and

assimilated. As a result, for thousands of years they have faced efforts

by outside powers to push into their territory, and to co-opt feudal

Kurdish elites in order to secure obedience and to prevent (or at least

isolate) rebellion.

If we fast-forward to the 20^(th) century, we see these dynamics still

at play as the modern regional nation-state system emerges. The Turkish

state was founded in 1923 after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire,

which had ruled the Kurdish territories in the east but had granted them

cultural and even political autonomy. During World War I, the Ottomans

allied with the Central Powers, forging particular political and

ideological links with Germany that continue to this day. After the

defeat of the Central Powers and the collapse of the Ottoman Empire,

Turkish nationalist groups fought for their own state. From its

founding, the ideology of the new state was ultra-nationalist. They

proclaimed Turkey a state for all Turkish people, and defined all people

living within its borders as part of the great Turkish nation, linking

their state to the idea of ethnic superiority. As a result, any people

that claimed a different ethnic or national identity, whether Assyrians,

Armenians, Kurds, or others, were treated like traitors and separatist

terrorists. Until the 1990s, Kurdish and other non-Turkish languages

were officially forbidden in Turkey—not just for affairs of state, but

even in private use.

We’re talking about all this history because it’s important to

understand the harshness of the conditions in which the Partiya Karkeren

Kurdistan (PKK), the Worker’s Party of Kurdistan, was founded. The

contemporary Kurdish movement emerged during the youth revolt of 1968 in

Turkey, where a revolutionary ferment was growing among socialist

organizations, radical students, workers, and peasants. In the 1970s, a

group of Kurdish and Turkish friends around Abdullah Ă–calan, Kemal Pir,

Haki Karer, and others gathered in Ankara and began discussing the

Kurdish question from a revolutionary perspective. One of their central

ideas was that Kurdistan was an internal colony, and needed to be freed

from colonial oppression to establish a socialist utopia. So the PKK was

founded in 1978, and began to organize according to the tenets of

classical Marxist-Leninist theory. Under “the old paradigm,” as they

call it today, the PKK aimed to organize a political vanguard and start

a revolutionary war to free the Kurdish territories and establish a

Kurdish state, which would then be used to establish socialism.

In the intensely oppressive climate of Turkey in the 1970s, many were

desperate to fight for another life, and the strategy and conviction of

the PKK spread rapidly. In 1984, they started a guerrilla struggle that

escalated into a brutal civil war. The guerrilla movement drew

considerable support from society, and in many regions could not be

separated from the broader population. In response, the Turkish army,

military police, and secret service started campaigns of retaliation to

defeat the rebels and intimidate the population. Under the auspices of

the NATO-sponsored “Gladio” anti-communist program, they destroyed some

4000 villages and killed more than 40,000 people.

In the wake of this bloodshed, the Kurdish liberation movement began a

process of reflection and self-criticism in the early 1990s. In addition

to facing brutal state and paramilitary repression, the guerrilla

movement was racked with internal problems, with some PKK leaders acting

in the manner of feudal warlords with a militaristic logic of blood

revenge. It had become clear that a merely military struggle wouldn’t

resolve anything. The old paradigm had led to unrelenting war and

hostility, and could neither address social problems within Kurdish

territories nor defend them effectively from external threats. The PKK

declared a unilateral ceasefire in 1993, halting the civil war to create

space for the movement to formulate a different paradigm for social

transformation. The Kurdish movement faced many setbacks and challenges

during this process of reflection—repeated efforts from the Turkish

state to provoke new outbreaks of civil war, the kidnapping and

imprisonment of PKK chairman Abdullah Ă–calan, and the ascent of more

old-fashioned feudal-style Kurdish parties such as the Barzani Clan in

Northern Iraq. Yet despite these challenges, between 1993 and 2005, the

Kurdish movement developed what they now call “the new paradigm,” which

would profoundly shift the goals and strategies of the Kurdish movement.

One major push towards this process of internal change came from the

Kurdish women’s movement. Thousands of women had joined the guerrilla

forces during the civil war. Often, they found themselves in conflict

with old-fashioned commanders who attempted to hold them in traditional

gender roles and did not treat them equally. In response, they

established completely autonomous female guerrilla groups, which was

quite a revolutionary act in their cultural context. They reclaimed for

themselves the right to fight in battle and organized on their own, as

part of the movement but making their own decisions autonomously. As our

friends have told us, there was also a difference in their way of

fighting: in male or mixed-gender units, competitive behavior persisted,

a heritage from many generations of hierarchical society that remains a

problem to this day. Dynamics among the female fighters were less

competitive; we can see evidence for this in the numbers of fallen

fighters. Most casualties took place when heading back from an action,

when attitudes of cockiness and pride over victory among the male

fighters were quite common. By contrast, in the women’s units, awareness

tended to be more long-range, and their fighters proved less vulnerable

to this potentially fatal overconfidence.

In addition to autonomous military units, Kurdish women also formed

social and political committees to discuss the problem of patriarchal

oppression. Today, the head of the women’s movement is the Komalen Jinen

Kurdistan (KJK), the Confederation of Women in Kurdistan, which is part

of the KCK, the general confederation, but makes decisions autonomously.

Also, the women’s movement maintains veto power over decisions made by

men’s groups or general assemblies. Under their influence, the Kurdish

movement has challenged long-standing patriarchal and hierarchical

patterns in their models of organizing.

The process of shifting towards a new paradigm was also pushed by an

ideological wing within the PKK around their chairman Abdullah Ă–calan,

who formulated the idea of democratic confederalism after undertaking a

deep historical analysis of the hierarchical system of Middle East and

beyond. He stressed that the problems of power, oppression, and violence

emerged from the historical process of civilization itself, beginning

with the ancient Sumerian priest states, which had posed the initial

challenge to the more egalitarian and often matricentric forms of social

organization that had preceded them. The problems of oppression,

warfare, and the quest for power are linked to the institutionalization

of patriarchal relationships in state structures and the priesthood. The

capitalist system, the nation-state, and industrialism are concepts that

evolved out of these hierarchical and male-dominated modes of thought.

Ă–calan also drew on the ideas of American anarchist Murray Bookchin for

his analysis of the utopian potential of democratic confederalism, and

stressed the importance of embracing a new ecological, democratic, and

gender-liberated paradigm. Central to his conception of the “new

paradigm” of the PKK was the idea of communalism, that each part of

society should organize itself and come together in a decentralized,

communitarian confederation.

Inspired by this new paradigm, the Komalen Ciwaken Kurdistan (KCK), the

Confederation of the Societies of Kurdistan, was founded in 2005. At its

core is a system of councils in neighborhoods, villages, and cities,

serving as a potent civil counter-power to foster the development of

autonomy from the nation-state and the capitalist economy. The KCK forms

the main assembly of the council system in Kurdistan, including

delegates from all the participating Kurdish regions. They elect an

executive body with a mandate to work on issues of importance for all

regions, such as diplomatic representation on a global level,

ideological and strategic proposals, and questions of defense. They also

administrate the People’s Defence Forces (HPG), containing the armed

wings from all parts of the movement. Over the past decade, despite

heavy repression and wartime conditions, the movement in northern

Kurdistan has created structures for a democratic, ecological, and

gender-liberated society.

Like the KCK, which encompasses the structures of democratic autonomy

throughout Kurdistan, the Demokratik Toplum Kongresi (DTK), the

Democratic Society Congress, comprises the council system in the region

of Bakur, or northern Kurdistan, which falls within the borders of the

Turkish nation-state. The DTK’s federated structure begins at the level

of the village or urban neighborhood up through district, city, and

ultimately the region of Bakur. At the highest level of the federation,

the DTK assembly includes recallable delegates from more than five

hundred civil society organizations, labor unions, and political

parties, with a forty percent gender quota and reserved positions for

religious minorities in the assemblies and a dual co-chair system with

one position reserved for a male and the other for a female. In classic

grassroots style, participants attempt to solve local problems on a

local level, and only if they cannot find a solution do they seek one on

the next level. Non-Kurdish people take part in some of the assemblies,

including members of the Azerbaijani and Aramaic communities. Also,

young people are organizing themselves both within and parallel to these

structures under the slogan “Capitalism is an old man—we’re a movement

made of the united powers of women and youth.” This sentiment emphasizes

the importance of youth and women’s organizing in overcoming the

entrenched legacies of hierarchy in Kurdish society, but also reflects

the philosophy that youth is not a matter of actual age, but rather a

mindset akin to the Zapatista slogan “caminando preguntando,” moving on

while continually questioning.

This federated structure of assemblies and civil organizations was

established to resolve common problems and to support the

self-organization of the whole population through bottom-up democratic

processes. Thus, rather than being defined purely in terms of ethnicity

or territory, the concept of democratic autonomy proposes local and

regional structures through which cultural differences can be freely

expressed. As a result, there are a colorful variety of educational,

cultural, and social organizations and experiments with cooperative

economics developing around northern Kurdistan. It’s worth highlighting

the mediation committees, which aim to find a consensus between parties

in conflict and therefore a long-term arrangement, rather than

postponement of the problem through punishment. This often leads to many

long discussions, but it shows a concept of collective responsibility in

which the accused shouldn’t be excluded through penalties or detention,

but should be made aware of the injustice and harm that his or her

behavior has caused. This has made the state courts superfluous in many

strongholds of the Kurdish liberation movement. Alongside these

mediation committees and other councils, you can find social centers for

youth and for women on all levels of society, with activities ranging

from Kurdish language courses and political seminars to music and

theater groups.

This is the context in which we should understand the success of the

ongoing revolution in Rojava. The Kurdish movement can look back on

forty years of radical struggle, with its failures, reflections, and

advances. Even though the formation of democratic autonomy in northern

Kurdistan has proved much more chaotic, remains entangled with the old

state structures, and is caught in a social and ecological war rather

than in a military one, it is widely comparable with the processes going

on in Rojava.

One question anarchists have asked about this struggle is how much

the recent anti-authoritarian direction of the Kurdish

struggle—including the structures of democratic confederalism, the

principles of women’s liberation, and so forth—are coming from the top

down, from Abdullah Ă–calan and the PKK leadership. It would seem like a

contradiction if an anti-authoritarian revolution were being directed

from above! What is your perspective on the relationship between the

ideology of the leaders in these organizations and the transformation of

social relations and structures in Kurdistan?

That’s a quite heavy point, which we discuss quite a lot, and which, at

least in Germany, is linked to a certain fear stemming from bad

experiences in revolutionary struggles. For sure, the question of

leadership and initiative is one of the most difficult ones when we’re

dealing with self-organization, and it is also a hard one for the

Kurdish movement. The real questions are: how can there be a drastic

revolutionary change in society? Who evaluates the need? And who makes

decisions about the direction? The answer has to be: everyone, for

everything, always. Perhaps the evolution of the Kurdish movement and

the PKK can offer a useful example, which has yet to be fully understood

in the Western world. Ă–calan and the PKK are not simply acting out a

fixed ideological pattern or a dogmatic system, like the one and only

true path of Marxism-Leninism asserted by the former socialist states.

Maybe the aesthetics of revolutionary socialism—the bearded leader and

the grim, selfless guerrilla warrior—mislead us, when we don’t look

beyond the image and inquire further.

What we’re seeing in Kurdistan today, both in Rojava and in the north,

is a new method by which the whole of society is coming into

consciousness. If we understand the persistence of state and patriarchal

oppression as a problem of people remaining unconscious of the

possibilities for resistance, we see the importance of activating the

consciousness of society. In all parts of Kurdistan where the liberation

movement organizes, we find committees forming what they call academies.

An academy can take many different forms, but we can most easily

understand it as a collective space for forming a common consciousness.

Some might be as simple as a discussion group that meets once a week,

but there are also longer, more intensive ones, in which all activists

participate (and, in recent years, any member of society who wants to

take part can join). The academies are always linked to other social

organizations; the youth groups and the women’s movement have their own

academies, while other groups organize general academies for everyone.

Each of these emphasizes self-empowerment, and in these institutions the

proposals offered by Ă–calan and the PKK are discussed and criticized

intensively. And those leaders are not the only ones offering proposals:

each institution, each committee, and each individual can spread their

own ideas.

This practice developed out of the process of political education within

the old PKK, where it was standard for every militant and guerrilla

fighter to receive both military and ideological training. As the new

paradigm emerged, it became clear that the goal was not simply to create

a well-educated philosophical vanguard like in the old cadre-system of

Leninism, but to liberate the consciousness of literally every person

who takes part in the process of forming the new society. Those who want

to self-organize have to reflect on their relation to the world, which

means deepening one’s exploration of philosophy.

One method often used in these academies is what we might call an

associative analysis. When discussing a certain topic, everybody offers

their own associations with it, and through the process of each person

sharing their impressions and experiences while others listen carefully

and strive to understand, a consensus can be formed. On a theoretical

level, this approach negates the opportunity for “objectivity,” and puts

a method of multiple subjectivities in its place. When you identify your

own position confronting a certain argument, including both your own

will to act as well as the fears that come up in you, then what is

strategically necessary will become clear.

Today, the role and position of militants in the PKK and PAJK (the Free

Women’s Party) has changed compared to the 1980s and ’90s. Their

self-image has grown closer to what we might understand as a militant

anarchist personality: fighting for self-empowerment and mutual aid.

Under the old paradigm, the militant needed to be selfless and

self-sacrificing. Although this conception is not totally gone, it is

changing, as discussions in the movement reject dichotomies and support

fighting both for individual processes of self-transformation as well as

for collective beauty and strength. As their conception of the role of

militants has changed, they’ve rejected the outdated idea of becoming a

vanguard. Instead, it comes down to living a well-organized, secular

ascetic form of life, based in the idea that fighting for our friends

and for the revolution is the best way a life can be lived.

What lessons have you learned from your time spent in Kurdistan for

radical struggles in Germany and beyond?

First, my engagement with the Kurdish liberation movement, as an

historical struggle and a society in rebellion, has actually made it

possible for me to believe again—not only that this world is absolutely

unacceptable, but in the possibility of fighting for another world. I

would call this reclaiming the power of imagination, which has unleashed

a huge feeling of motivation and also a certain seriousness in many of

our friends. It’s overwhelming to see the huge collective consciousness

in Kurdish society.

Looking back at Western metropolitan life, it seems so obvious how

patriarchy and capitalism have spread into every part of our lives. I

think we’ve made huge leaps in understanding our own history and society

through discussion with our friends from the Kurdish youth movement. In

particular, their focus on philosophy and self-perception has made clear

how much we, as anarchists or the radical left, are hampered by

moralism. We’ve learned to base our actions on these notions of

good/bad, right/wrong, and guilt/pity, drummed into us through religion

and academia and theory, rather than on our actual common ethical

attachments and friendships. To start the process of liberating

ourselves, we have to overcome the liberal bourgeois personality and

capitalist behavior, to vanquish the inner state mentality.

In contrast to this, in Germany and more broadly in the West we’re

confronted with internalized individualism and liberalism, not only in

the broader society but also within our political “scene”—a scene with a

general tendency towards nihilist lifestyles and identity politics. In

my observation, most of the militants in our scene, as well as the

majority of liberal youth, give an absolute precedence to the “freedom”

of the individual, simply following whatever drives and inclinations

come up for them, in an environment where everything is allowed. At the

same time there is a feeling of subjection and therefore an acceptance

of a predetermined, unchangeable environment. This often leads on the

one hand to a pessimistic sense of paralysis, hopelessness and

depression, and on the the other hand to a guilt-fueled re-entrenchment

in identities that derive from the power structures they are criticizing

(white, middle-class, privileged) and submersion in various forms of

commercialized lifestyle scenes (punk, hardcore, radical left,

“anarchist”)… all of which both lead to and arise from this omnipresent

individualism. I think it might be interesting to analyze the impact of

the youth rebellions of 1968, because it gave a huge drive to this

development. We’re confronted with masses of people around us blaming

the unconscious society, politicians, cops, or fascists as bogeymen, but

who have totally lost their grip on reality and their own responsibility

and agency. Instead, most of us keep on living the liberal myth of

economic success and retirement, fleeing into studies, work, leisure,

privatized political activism, holidays, parties, drugs,

consumption—suicide!

There’s a thin line between this present Western conception of anarchism

and liberalism. Although classical anarchists like Emma Goldman

recognized the importance of positive freedom, “freedom to,” liberalism

focuses on negative freedom, or “freedom from,” the notion that people

are free insofar as they are not constrained by laws and regulations.

This understanding of freedom fits easily into the ethos of

individualism, private property, and capitalism, completely denying the

dialectical relationship between individual and society and the fact

that human beings have always lived in communities as social

individuals, bound together through common rules and values. We think

that human values are socially determined, and that social rules and

regulations to uphold them do not represent a restriction on some

pre-existing freedom, but form part of the conditions of a free life,

which must include individual and collective freedom. As a

counterexample to the liberal “freedom” of Western anarchist and radical

left scenes, it’s worth mentioning that the Kurdish youth movement is

really strictly fighting against drug dealing and abuse, because the

Turkish state is clearly trying to destroy the movement not only with

tear gas and arrests but with all available means of modern

counter-insurgency, including support for drug dealing and prostitution.

We think there must be a collective reflection on how consumerism,

individualism, and other forms of liberalism function as a form of

counter-insurgency and how much we have internalized them into our

mentality and behavior. We need to organize self-defense against the

attacks of these capitalist ideologies that reduce us to nothing more

than consumers and self-owning entrepreneur/workers.

In contrast to these liberal illusions, our experiences with comrades in

the Kurdish movement have given us perspective on the importance of

solving this Western polarization between individual and society,

focusing on collective values and ethics rather than political and

identitarian viewpoints. Inspired by the example of the Kurdish

movement, I think we should study and reclaim our history as part of the

process of developing the self-awareness we need to solve the Western

dilemma we’re confronted with. Through criticism of civilization and

analysis of our communal and democratic heritage, we can develop

historical consciousness and confidence in what we’re doing. Abdullah

Ă–calan tried in his prison writings to delve into the historical

background of the Kurdish struggle quite deeply, so as to have the

opportunity to compare it to earlier experiences of revolutionary

struggles. Many in the PKK today draw on this history to critically

reflect on their ideology and strategies, weaving it into the process of

self-questioning and the creation of their own philosophy of

liberation—a revolutionary mythology, perhaps.

And at the same time, this doesn’t mean getting caught in nostalgia.

Instead, take inspiration from the renewing power of youth, of always

moving forward while questioning. Don’t be afraid of self-development;

be open to criticism and learn from your and others’ mistakes. Let the

process of revolutionary change start with yourself. Maybe that’s also

quite a good thing for European anarchists to remember: the

revolutionary process is never something outside of you; it has to be

identical with your own progress towards freedom, for you become a

symbiotic part of a free society. I think every militant anarchist

should accept our historical responsibility and the possibility of

gathering our collective power and agency to build and defend a society

based on creativity, diversity, and autonomy. But this means we have to

live the way we think and speak. So let’s sweep our liberal ideas into

the dustbin of history. Only then will we be able to move beyond common

theoretical agreement and be able “to change everything,” as you say!

The connection between anarchists or the radical left and the

Kurdish liberation struggle seems to be strong in Germany, with many

anarchists active in solidarity efforts and taking great inspiration

from Rojava and elsewhere in Kurdistan. Can you talk about the history

of these ties of solidarity? What are some of the concrete forms that

solidarity has taken?

At first, groups of solidarity emerged from the squatting movement in

Germany. Since the 1990s there were also German comrades who joined the

guerrilla struggle. Some of them died in the war, like Shehid Ronahi

(Andrea Wolf). She had to disappear because she was persecuted by the

German state for actions of the Red Army Fraction, so she joined the

ranks of PKK and fought as an internationalist. There were several

German militants who joined the armed Kurdish struggle, and so there are

some older comrades who can share their experiences and reflect on the

mistakes that were made in those days. In the ’90s there were also a lot

of problems between the German left and the Kurdish movement, coming

from both sides. On the one hand, the PKK was still entrenched in the

old paradigm and focused strongly on the struggle in Kurdistan to the

exclusion of everything else, which made it hard to establish a real

relationship of friendship. On the other hand, Germans maintained our

classic patterns of distance-keeping, criticizing without understanding,

and the arrogance of the metropole. When Ă–calan was arrested and the

movement struggled hard to survive, this tenuous solidarity fractured.

Fortunately, as the new paradigm first began to emerge, a new process of

learning began, although for a long time it moved quite slowly and

tentatively. German comrades again visited Kurdistan and got in contact

with organizations in diaspora, while others again joined the guerrilla

struggle. The PKK understands itself as internationalist, and it is of

great value for all sides when international ties are strengthened. It

was always hard to organize together with the Kurdish communities in

diaspora, and honestly, it remains a big problem to this day. Although

there are quite a lot of Kurdish people living in Europe, the

connections between them and other European radicals are not very

strong. That has different reasons: one of them is the fact that German

society is quite racist, and a lot of migrant communities are organizing

just among their own people as a kind of self-defense mechanism. Also,

nationalism tends to be stronger among Kurds in diaspora, and the

society in diaspora is often still organized along feudal lines. But in

the 1990s, there were common demonstrations, and today German and

Kurdish groups are once again marching together. But on a level of

common self-organization, we are still weak.

After the attack on Shengal and the siege of KobanĂŞ last year, attention

rose immediately, and the whole radical scene of Germany woke up. Since

then, something has begun slowly shifting as more and more people are

trying to find their way down to Rojava and some are joining the ranks

of the YPG/YPJ.

What suggestions would you make to anarchists in North America and

elsewhere about how to learn from and show solidarity with the Kurdish

struggle for liberation?

We think anarchists should understand the Kurdish liberation struggle as

their own, as an internationalist struggle. Appreciating the comrades in

Kurdistan can help us overcome the liberal illusions we’ve been

discussing. There must be a recognition, a consciousness, of

responsibility for the dilemma of the Middle East. Open-mindedness and

willingness to engage philosophically and theoretically with the

ideology of the movement is important, so that we can express

possibilities in many languages and colors. This requires that we

support the struggle in questions of communication, too, which can be

one part of several ways to support the struggle technically.

Furthermore, there has always been a warm invitation to actually go to

Kurdistan to learn, criticize, and refine ideas about local and

international organization. And as our Kurdish friends have emphasized

repeatedly, it’s ultimately up to those of us living in the Western

metropoles to build up our own revolutionary movements—that’s the

greatest help we could give them, for it is an opportunity for mutual

defense. Also, as far as we’ve heard, practical help is needed in

several subjects: knowledge about engineering, medical stuff, and all

sorts of practical things can be helpful.

Can you give us an update on the recent wave of state and grassroots

anti-Kurdish repression going on in Turkey? How is the Kurdish movement

responding to this violence?

Right now we are in a situation of escalation. In response to his

party’s heavy electoral defeat in the parliamentary elections of June 7,

Turkish President Erdogan has declared war on the Kurdish population and

therefore terminated the peace process initiated by Ă–calan in 2013.

Since the massacre in the border city of Suruç, which cost the lives of

34 young Kurdish and Turkish radicals on their way to KobanĂŞ at the end

of July, there have been thousands of arrests and bombardments of PKK

guerrilla camps both in Bakur (northern Kurdistan/southeastern Turkey)

and in the Medya Defense Territories in Bashur (southern

Kurdistan/northern Iraq). While pogrom-like attacks against Kurds and

other social movements have been taking place in northern Kurdistan and

all over Turkey for weeks, the military conflict is escalating, with

many militants and civilians shot by the state. Most recently, the

Turkish army besieged the city of Cizre for a week, while Turkish

ultra-nationalists attacked Kurds and offices of the HDP (a Kurdish

political party) all over the country. Many Kurdish shops were burned

down by supporters of the AKP, Erdogan’s conservative Justice and

Development Party, as well as by members of fascist organizations like

the Gray Wolves, the youth organization of the fascist Nationalist

Movement Party. Similar attacks on Kurds and other opponents of the war

have taken place in Europe in recent days, and while the German state

keeps quiet about these attacks by Turkish nationalists, Kurdish

militants have been criminalized and arrested.

In the face of this violence, the movement has developed a model called

the theory of legitimate self-defense, or the theory of the rose. It’s a

metaphor based on the idea that every living being has to defend its own

beauty as it struggles to survive. All beings must create methods of

self-defense according to their own way of living, growing, and

connecting with others, in which one does not aim to destroy one’s

enemy, but to force it to change its intention to attack. Guerrilla

fighters discuss this as a defensive strategy in a military sense, but

it also works on other scales. In essence, we can understand it as a

method of self-empowerment. For a long time, the PKK guerrillas didn’t

do anything, granted that the Turkish state continued negotiations,

because they knew they couldn’t defeat them militarily. If you’re strong

enough and follow your way, there will be no need for violence; it

becomes simply a matter of organization. This understanding of

self-defense is also part of the new paradigm.

Given the complex geopolitical context of the Kurdish struggle,

caught between various hostile states and armed forces, what do you

think it will take for a genuinely anti-authoritarian revolution to take

hold and last in the region?

Well, as we’ve learned from studying other revolutions across history:

the only opportunity for a revolution to last is for it to spread, to

widen its horizons and to overcome all the borders established to

contain it. As our Kurdish comrades explain, there are two pillars to

revolutionary struggle. The first and most important one is the process

of building democratic autonomy; it comes down to the simple question of

how we want to live, of how to organize our daily lives. Right now, it’s

hard to bring that question into focus, because the whole region is

burning and caught up in war. That’s why the second pillar is

self-defense by any means necessary. Both are crucial, and must be

applied on different levels. Revolutionary uprisings across history in

Europe and elsewhere that neglected one pillar or the other were

inevitably defeated.

It’s really important to strengthen the revolutionary position in

Kurdistan, not only militarily, but also by building communication with

comrades all over the world. As the revolutionary upheaval in Turkey

expands and support from within the West grows, there is less

opportunity for other regional powers to attack the Kurdish movement.

Moreover, we should recognize the huge potential that the experience of

this movement offers us to enlarge our own perspective. They organized

within a situation that has been more desperate than ours from the

beginning, and nevertheless they’ve succeeded. I’d say it is a certain

way of dealing with a concrete danger that made them that strong. Also,

it would be quite productive to exchange experiences. In specific

questions of self-organization, the methods and tools of anarchist

movements in the West are quite creative and could offer a lot of

support.

Right now in the Middle East, we have the strange situation of a

relative power balance, with Rojava positioned within the eye of the

storm. There is the grand vision of political Sunni Islam, pushed

forward by the governments of Turkey and Saudi Arabia, primarily. Then

there are the Shia states of Iran, Iraq, and the remnants of the Assad

regime in Syria. There is also NATO, of which Turkey is a member, though

it also asserts its own interests. In the middle we also have the

Islamic State (IS), a zombie army that cannot be controlled by anyone

anymore, even though it was probably created and supported to crush

Kurdish resistance and the regime in Damascus. So in this chaotic

situation, Rojava is still necessary for NATO, for example, as the only

local reliable option that has been able to defeat IS. So, yeah, Rojava

is kind of caught between all these military powers. But as we’ve

learned from many revolutions, war is not simply a matter of

mathematics. It’s more linked to a certain way of fighting, and a matter

of consciousness. We should learn from that.

Can you explain what you mean by this “way of fighting,” or specific

kind of consciousness in armed struggle, that makes the Kurdish

resistance distinctive?

Let me share a story that a friend once told me. He took part in the

Qandil war in 2011. At that time, there was a pragmatic alliance between

Turkey and Iran: both had a problem with the Kurdish movement, and were

afraid of the military opportunities the guerrillas had. Qandil forms

the southern end of the Mediya Defense Territories, the

guerrilla-controlled mountains in the border regions of Iran, Iraq, and

Turkey. He told me about a situation when one and a half thousand

pasdaran, the Iran infantry regiments, tried to storm the hill where the

guerrillas were hiding. There were only about thirty comrades defending

their mountain. He explained that what the Iranian army tried to use

against them were just their bullets, and their fear of punishment from

their leaders. They ran blindly upwards, and were defeated. They had no

conviction, no energy, no friendship between them. On the other hand,

when his comrades defended their position, they didn’t just use their

weapons, he told me. They were fighting for their looted villages, for

their split families, with their fallen friends in mind, with the

consciousness that the attacking army would burn the mountains and

forests behind them and destroy the nature in their lands. They fought

for those who were too weak to stand alone, for all the parts of society

who stood behind them and had their back. Maybe it’s hard to understand

if you didn’t feel it yourself. But their energy was backed by a long

line of friends, historically experienced oppression, mutual

protection—a love for life and a belief in themselves.

All these things come first, he said, when you’re sitting next to your

friends in your guard position and raising your arms in defense: your

trust in your comrades, your gratitude for those who believe in a free

society living in the valleys, for the ones who cultivate the gardens

feeding you, your sadness about the horrors the state did to your

friends and families. And in the end, there’s the bullet you shoot at

the ones stumbling in your direction. How could they possibly win, he

asked, smiling.

Even the fighter who is objectively weakest can summon great strength,

if she’s fighting for her own sake and for those her heart belongs to,

without being pushed into a direction or ideology or being pressed to do

something she doesn’t want to. Those who fight for their society and the

symbiotic relationships that have protected and nourished them will

always defeat conventional methods based in mere destruction, hegemonic

interests and strategies based on hostility. It reminded me of the words

some philosophical friends from the West once said: connecting reality

to your own desires has revolutionary meaning. If you really know what

you’re fighting for, if you see the essentials of the situation you’re

in, you can link it to your will to live, which will give you a beauty

even beyond death. This guerrilla told me that they understand

themselves as life guards, using their own abilities to protect the life

of their society. It impressed me a lot.

It also poses the question: where will the revolutionary energy for the

West come from? We hardly understand our own situation, pressed into

pragmatic decisions based on a complex system of dependencies. Maybe

this is the lesson we have to learn for ourselves: what is the truth of

our common situation that we have to understand to begin? This is the

same reason why no other army right now can push back the IS forces in

Syria. In defending KobanĂŞ, the YPG/YPJ based their defense on this same

consciousness. Nobody could believe that they would free their city; it

goes beyond rationalism. It’s more about faith in yourself and belief in

your revolutionary energy, which evolves out of your desire to live.

That is the thing that has been nearly beaten out of you if you’ve been

raised in Western capitalism.

Another friend added that if you really want to create a new society

based in non-oppressive relationships, you’re trying to build something

that doesn’t exist yet. It forms part of a new world, another world. How

could you possibly understand it rationally from your point of view

today? It’s not in the books. You need to get crazy to overcome the

status quo; you need to be convinced by your fantasy and your desire.

That’s your problem in Europe, he concluded: you forgot how to do that.