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002=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 12/06/91 21:09 Msg:6862 Call:38779 Lines:3
20 Life is short, the art long, opportunity fleeting,
21 experience treacherous, judgement difficult. -Hippocrates
22 *************************************************************
003=Usr:13 voyeur 12/06/91 23:40 Msg:6863 Call:38782 Lines:100
23 :::::::::O O::::::::00:05:33::::::::::::::::::::12/07/91:::::O O:::::::::::::
24 L'homme - here's the article you mentioned...
25
26 Love, Willamette Week Style
27 by Karyn S. Hunting
28
29 Allow me to begin by striking a familiar chord with readers of
30 the Willamette Week personals: "SYNCRONICITY, ANYONE?" Flip anyone's
31 switch? It's really me, and no, my name's NOT Susan, is it? Well,
32 enough with the rhetorical for now, and on to some answers...
33 Lest some balk at the unfamiliar by-line, I truly am an M, (candy
34 shell and all). A reinstated M, that is. You see, I deactivated myself
35 (the red button on the left) circa 1986. And then, thanks to a personal
36 (sorry) re-realization of the validity of Jung's essays on "the S word,"
37 via an impulsive ad in the much touted and widely perused Willamette
38 Week magazine, I reinstated myself circa not too long ago. Make sense
39 yet? Okay, I give. It went something like this:
40 Boyfriend (whose favorite phrase was, "You Menses people are too
41 weird for me...") for a year and a half. Frustration for 17.5 months of
42 that. Perseverance until March last, when I met one of those tall, dark,
43 gorgeous Chippendale types (TDGCT's) and flung caution, security, and
44 fidelity (okay, sort of) to the wind. Peace and quiet until I called an
45 old "companion" (another TDGCT-my classic prerequisite to
46 anything-anyone-worth doing). Contentment until I realized why it never
47 worked in the first place (yes, Virginia, there really IS a left side to
48 that bell curve - that's why they named it that way)...
49 We're up to July 1991 now.
50 Well, jeez, I figured. I met Mr. Un-M when he placed an ad in WW.
51 Do smart men read this kind of smut, too? Aha, thought I. I have a
52 theorem, a hypothesis, and an urgent mental/hormonal need to meet a guy
53 that can do more than grunt and look "stupid but cute" when he's not
54 lying down. So, being a modern day Nike fan with a cause, I just did it.
55 Five days and $112.70 later, my impulse stared back at me as I gingerly
56 opened my new WW issue.
57 (Since Michael says to keep it to about 5K, the text isn't here,
58 but for a modest fee...) I asked, more so in my "voice mail ad" than
59 the written one, for a definite TDGCT. With an IQ in the three digits.
60 Being the generous, though perhaps picky, soul that I am, I offered
61 Bonus Points for any/all of the following: over 6', dark hair, tan,
62 hairy chest, and "to-die-for looks." Silly me.
63 After the contestants started rolling in, I anxiously typed away
64 each night, entering their qualifications and amusing statements into my
65 database. (Yes, database.) I called about five of them the first two
66 weeks. Met a few. TDGCT's, yes, surprisingly. Synchronicity (my ad
67 title, mind you), not really. Bonus points, all but one. (He was
68 blonde. Two blondes together... well... couldn't bring myself to try
69 it.) I continued on, leaving the database project in the dust after
70 about 150. Got over 350 altogether to date. Or, rather, not to date.
71 (But that is not the question, is it?)
72 "So," Michael asks one day, "what kind of responses did you get?"
73 (I still hadn't gone back to a TGIF yet.) Final demographic run-down
74 was kinda like this, for those of you who are into the means and can
75 wait for the ends: Winners for most common comment were, "I'm not
76 intimidated" (made ME wonder a bit), and "I want the Bonus Points" (the
77 gimmick worked). Most common professions (in order): physicist/
78 scientist, computer pro, business owner/president, attorney, professor,
79 and "unspecified." Age? I asked for 30.2-43.5. Most were 38 to 45 (I
80 didn't specify mathematical aptitude). Most were longwinded - couldn't
81 get it all in within 2 minutes (please, no pun assumptions - I wouldn't
82 know). Overall? Pretty impressive as a group, I must say: articulate,
83 educated, humorous, intelligent (ooooooh, gimme more!), and seemingly
84 "nice guys."
85 Oh, almost forgot. Their reaction to (it was in my ad to attract
86 "the right stuff") MENSA? (1) Are you SURE you're cute, too? (2)
87 Finally! (3) I'm impressed/intrigued/ fascinated. (4) What's MENSA? (5)
88 Are you really one of THEM? (6) That's nothing but a mutual admiration
89 society for social illiterates (these were the M-hopefuls who flunked
90 the test) .
91 Best of all, though, was MY reaction to their reactions. I meekly
92 came crawling back to TGIF one Friday, after five years away. After
93 about ten minutes of sheer trepidation, I entered the hallowed meeting
94 room, and said to myself, "Oh, you're really BRILLIANT, aren't you?
95 What do you think you're going to find HERE? You didn't like it BEFORE
96 when you... Wait! WOW!!! It's SYNCHRONICITY! With a capital frigin' S!
97 Where has this guy BEEN all my life?" (Ever see an agnostic sport an "I
98 found it! " bumper sticker?)
99 And therein began my latest journey into the world of timespace.
100 He's just over the 43.5 limit (so, what has math ever done for ME?) ,
101 he's not over 6', not tan, and is not one of those hairy types (ar-ar).
102 And he's BLONDE. So, did he read my ad? Yes, and he said he wouldn't
103 have responded anyway "because you wouldn't have responded back if I
104 did." Now, THERE's a smart guy for you.
105 Yes, but what about the other 349 men, you ask? I'm afraid I'm just
106 too busy being ecstatically synchronous with my re-definition of TDGCT.
107 Do I regret spending $112.70 to end up with someone I DIDN'T meet
108 through my WW ad? Not at all. In fact, the only regret I have these days
109 is that Jung couldn't be here to take notes.
110
111 --------------------- the ad ----------------------------------
112 SYNCHRONICITY, ANYONE?
113
114 Yes. Virginia. brains and beauty CAN coexist!! Fascinating, attractive
115 MENSA lady (28, 5'6", blonde /blue, tan). dynamic, multi-faceted. fun,
116 quick-witted, Professional. positive, affectionate, classy, sexy (by
117 majority vote), logical, longwinded, with good teeth. seeks same
118 qualities in attractive S/DWM. 30.2-43.5, to share conversation.
119 numerous interests, dining, dancing, movies, beach. travel, borderline
120 insanity, and timespace possibilities. bonus points for photo.
121
122 :::::::::O O::::::::::::::::::::voyeur::::::::::::::::::::::O O:::::::::::::::
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005=Usr:660 Rick Young 12/07/91 19:43 Msg:6865 Call:38805 Lines:16
125 >})/ RORSCHACH \({[<
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128 12-7-91
129
130 Been realizing how meaningless this life has been. No goals, no purpose, no
131 plan. "It takes a certain insight.." _That_ is what I need. Where am I
132 trying to go, how do I get there, and _why_?
133
134 I have started many paths, yet abandon them for others. Joke about brother
135 never finishing things. Am I any different?
136
137 Soon I must find my way, or I shall lose it. I need insight. But where/
138 how/why/when?
139
140 ]})/ RORSCHACH \({[<
006=Usr:657 Shrew kate 12/07/91 22:29 Msg:6866 Call:38807 Lines:13
141
142 So Karyn (or voyeur) what's this $117.40 charge ... the Discount price
143 on a pair of Nikes? <grin>
144
145 And a further note re: The Great White Father Faust: The only two financial
146 planners (or maybe three) have beeamong the slimest people I've ever met.
147 The first bilked my aged neighbor lady who sold us the first house around
148 , the second lived right down the street from the esteemed Babsons and
149 used to share a office downtown with race-horse breeders o he was always
150 discussing betting with (another Manpower j and one which I simply
151 walked out of) and the t a totally questionable neighbor whose told
152 us some of the most outrageous lies ...
153
007=Usr:657 Shrew kate 12/08/91 11:06 Msg:6867 Call:38814 Lines:5
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155 *****************************************
156 As a matter of fact, I think the gold geezer dropped me off at the Safeway
157 parking lot there on Barbur ... where I could catch more buses that just
158 the Tigard one.
008=Usr:660 Rick Young 12/08/91 20:29 Msg:6868 Call:38829 Lines:18
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160 /+-{]`#O=+ RORSCHACH +=O#'[}-+\
161
162 12-8-91
163
164 No messages on the phone today. Nothing in the paper. I sat at the restaraunt
165 and let the city open it's heart to me. I sat and smelled the decay. It is
166 not good. This city needs help.
167
168 There is nothing here I can do but watch the city drown in a flood of decadence
169 and degradation. Eating away at it's soul as I am eating away this sandwich. I
170 know something must be done. But I dont have the menu for action.
171
172 Something, some event will occur. Something will bring me knowledge. I must
173 wait, but can the city?
174
175 /+-{]`#O=+ RORSCHACH +=O#'[}-+\
176
009=Usr:609 Doctor Duran Dur 12/09/91 02:48 Msg:6869 Call:38833 Lines:50
177 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
178
179 {ThingFish} --
180 Excellent imagination...you should really try to write some
181 short story (edit it), then publish the damn thing...
182 "Lost Train to Jamaica" was keenly polished!!!
183
184 {Rorschach} --
185 Hey, I'm on your EXACT frequency in life...
186 Yes. There is a lot to do in this shifted world:
187 BUT, the question is "WHAT?"
188 I feel the same way you do about all this stuff,
189 and I have asked my self many questions in the past...
190 but have only found confusion and disappointment.
191 For example: my mortality, purpose, career, significant
192 other, children, rules...it all has one thing in common.
193 My FU*KING identity that I will have for the rest of
194 this life (and possibly, other lifes to come).
195 I think it's a constant struggle to remain sane!!!
196 One thing that helps me understand REALITY is that
197 we have some-billion other people in this world trying
198 to do the same damn thing at our age.
199 Another thing is perspective:
200 a lot of people in the world DO NOT have the same
201 freedom we do...to better ourselves, and help others
202 better themselves (or, get through the tougher times
203 of REALITY).
204 So, at this time in my life (though I'm uncertain about
205 practically EVERYTHING), I'm giving my best shot at
206 making honestly wise decisions concerning my next goal,
207 or move...because, the ONE thing I do know is that I can
208 continue to party and put-off certain things that will
209 help me later in life.
210 Sure, you can be hit by a car, tomorrow (and THAT would
211 SUCK), but the KEY-thing IS perspective.
212 Give it ALL a chance...and persevere...'cause it can
213 only end with "good" if you follow your own voice/heart.
214 That's where I am actually at so far, and it feels real
215 natural...LIKE I REALLY DO HAVE A GOAL/PURPOSE IN LIFE,
216 AND I'M ATTEMPTING TO ACHIEVE THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
217 Later,
218
219
220 ...........................................Doctor Duran Duran
221 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>IN THE EYES OF A STRANGER<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
222 ..
223 ..
224 ...
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226 ........................................................................
010=Usr:322 Stray Cat 12/09/91 08:51 Msg:6870 Call:38836 Lines:73
227 VMVMVMVMVMVMVMVMVMVMVMVMVMVMVMVMVMVMVMVMVMVMVMVMVMVMVMVMVMVMVMVMVMVMVMVMVM
228
229 Take my neighbor Ma Gilliam for instance. To avoid running into the rather
230 typical situation (in THIS neighborhood anyway) or possibly not having
231 enough money fo property taxes some year and losing it all to some "friend"
232 of the neighborhood tax collector for the mere taxes, she went through
233 a Multnomah County program where you're exempt from taxes until you die
234 and then it's taken out of your estate. Wel, lo and beehold, what hap-
235 pens??? She gets slapped into a horribly noisy, degrading and EXPENSIVE
236 nursing home hortly thereafter and they STILL "sell" her property **AND**
237 belongings right out from under her.
238
239 Needless to say, I was QUITE upset. In fact, I think the "estate" lady,
240 DELORES MARTINDALE (<-- she'still in the same b, who
241 was sent to descecrate te shring, got a restraining order aganst me ...
242 after I'd called about everybody in town for help wch was, of course,
243 the same brick wall it still is. But then one of her "assistants"
244 "Worked" for the police department, he vivulged lter, when he also con-
245 fessed he might tend to consider the whole operation rather corrupt,
246 along with some of Delores' OTHER sidelines. And although most neighbors
247 ":turned theire other cheeck" at the time, some DID later concede the
248 whole things was unbelievably outrageious ESPECIALLY, I think, after
249 three of Ma's four lots "went" to a corrupt "favorite son" developer who,
250 if I have the "facts" straight, was largely "responsible" for that first
251 S&L failure in town and whose name, coincidentally, sounds too frighten-
252 iongly like DOMINION.
253
254 Then as it ended up, the people in THOSE "project" houses were later
255 totally outraged to find they'd bought some fine print contracts declar-
256 ing they had no choice but to paya thru the nose for a road they didn't
257 want so another "favorite son" developer and his two-attorney neighbor-
258 hood deedholders could put THEIR chintzy Project in ... but THAT's a
259 whole 'nother Book.
260
261 About Ma, let's just sa she was quite a character. She came from a wealthy
262 "horse" family in Salem (which was burned out by the IWW, she once said),
263 CLAIMED she got her RN from Columbia in New York, had TWO shackfuls of
264 priceless antiques left over from her (and his) "previous" lives, and
265 she absolutely LOVED to tell me stories ... which I LOED to hear. And
266 she knew EVERTHING that was ging down (and HAD) in the neighborhoodl,
267 like alot of the other old ladies around here --- even what flocks of
268 birds were passing through. She and her husband (I never met him) used
269 to manage some kind of fishing lodge or something she always referred to
270 as Three Creeks, and when she and I would go places someone ALWAYS
271 recgnized her from having been there. Even the guy who used to give me
272 a ride to work knew of her or theplace, whichever, which I thought was a
273 real coincidence.
274
275 Delores, on the other hand, was the wife of a bank VP and probably 60-
276 something ... a bleached blonde with skin-tight designer jeans and back-
277 less spiked heels, all of which seemed so silly when she had to wade
278 thru Ma's knee-high hay to get to the house in order to sort thru Ma's
279 most prized possessions (including her letters and photos, which were
280 merely thrown into a dumpster) ... then out to supervise her rather
281 extensive trucking crews in their removal of all the "garbage" that was
282 stuffed to the gills in her even-larger U-shaped outshack(s). And
283 Delores always brought along her rather bizarre 20-something yo daughter
284 too, who was always outfitted really retro (WITH white gloves, no les,
285 which she'd wear the whole day) who'd simply sit by Ma's stove and
286 crystal lamp all day and play with her "simple Simon" toy <- I kid you
287 not. I think the chick even talked babytalk.
288
289 But to top it all off, "friends of the Bank/Mult. Co./Delores/Whomever"
290 antique dealers statewide then had first shot at what was left of the
291 loot Delores hadn't hauled off. There were hordes of 'em that spent
292 the night in their cars all up and down our street so's to get frist
293 grabs on what was left. Ma's place was lit like a Christmas tree all
294 night long I suppose so nobody would do anything "stupid," so I bet
295 neither Delores didn't sleep all night long either.
296
297 I don't know how soon after They all did That to her it was that Ma
298 died.
299
011=Usr:660 Rick Young 12/09/91 20:28 Msg:6872 Call:38854 Lines:14
300 /+-{]`#O=+ RORSCHACH +=O#'[}-+\
301 12-9-91
302 Long day. Felt the rain on my skin and the breeze through my soul. Walked
303 home past trashcans stuffed with rumors, weighing factors, bodies motives.
304 Waiting for a flash of enlightenment in all this blood and thunder.
305
306 Various deposits. Candy wrappers, a pair of Keds strangled by own laces,
307 tongues lolling out horribly.
308
309 This city is an animal, fierce and complicated. To understand it, I read it's
310 droppings, it's scents, the movement of it's parasites.
311
312
313 /+-{]`#O=+ RORSCHACH +=O#'[}-+\
012=Usr:658 Justin Klein 12/09/91 22:44 Msg:6873 Call:38857 Lines:59
314 ------------------------------ Justin the Blue ----------------------------
315
316 The City of Portland miring in decay and decadence? I think the owner
317 of that opine doth complain too much. I've been in places that are
318 currently Hell on Earth compared to dear old pdx, and I'd take pdx over
319 SeaTac, SanSan, ChiPitts...BosWash, that one goes without saying.
320
321 But maybe tossing about the names of the megalopoli are are little too
322 arrogant. OK. Given. I've seen many places, but let me clue you on a
323 little thing about little towns close by. To be grindingly exact, Corvallis.
324
325 Corvallis is a wonderful little place. Healthy. Calm, despite the Geeks
326 who go to OhEssYou. They even have free (but for how long is anybody's
327 guess) unix Internet sites (don't write 'em and ask; I was a system
328 administrator down there and they're letting locals only on these days).
329
330 You could live quite well in Corvallis. But there is no decent place
331 to have coffee in the wee-hours, for one thing. The only 24-hour place
332 is the Lyon's, and it just isn't Q.P., if you get my drift.
333
334 But then again, what is? But I hope you get my point.
335
336 For a city it's little size, it's darn sophisticated. Best coffee in that
337 section of the world. But it just isn't the place a confirmed urban can
338 really enjoy life in unless you already have the bux. The nourishment
339 of the soul just isn't there.
340
341 Other places might be peaceful and nice. But then, so's certain forms
342 of medication.
343
344 pdx, for all the drawbacks, is a lot nicer than you think. If you think
345 that pdx is Hell In a Handbasket (tm), then take a break in the hinterlands
346 for a while. If pdx has nourished your soul as mine, then you'll be back.
347
348 I left for Corvallis four years ago, and I thought I'd never be back.
349
350
351 Well, it's either that, or I'm doomed.
352
353
354 ------------------------------Special message to:------------------------------
355 Those who are friendly and especially those who look like Cheryl York, and
356 any others who need to remind me that we are friends, my user number
357 is 658. Email me.
358 -------------------------------Justin the Blue---------------------------------
359 -----------------------------Justin the Blue, addendum-------------------------
360 Friar and A.A.Dreamer: Thanks for the welcome. Especial to Friar; my lady
361 Brenda (you may or not remember her), who is now my wife, was delighted
362 to hear that you are still extant...as I am, and happy that BW and agora
363 and such places still exist.
364
365 It's nice to know that we are remembered and welcomed by nice folx. I
366 anticipate with ardor the new discussions that will arise, and the sagacity
367 thereon.
368
369 Bonhomie,
370 ------------------------------Justin-------------------------------------------
371 ----------------------------(remember the border wars--------------------------
372 -------------------------------of '88?)----------------------------------------
013=Usr:609 Doctor Duran Dur 12/10/91 04:35 Msg:6874 Call:38860 Lines:2
373 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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014=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 12/10/91 19:19 Msg:6875 Call:38867 Lines:50
375 &*&*&*&*'s
376 Justin, I first logged in on July 6th of 1988. I believe I missed your era
377 by a fairly short margin. I've been hanging around here ever since. I agree
378 with what you say about Portland. It ain't perfect, but it has a lot going for
379 it.
380
381 I spent all of my pre college days in towns of 50000 or less, with 11000 being
382 the size of The Dalles, where I graduated from HS. It only took me a month
383 or two to figure out that Portland was nirvana in comparison. Powells, record
384 stores, shopping malls, libraries, BBS's, education etc. I don't think
385 I could settle for anything less. So, when people around here go on balistic
386 whines, I start to wonder about their motivations. Do they have the slightest
387 clue as to how things work elsewhere? It doesn't seem that way.
388
389 Portland ain't perfect, but what is? We've got a fairly decent thing going
390 here. I'm not saying it couldn't be better, I'm not saying its perfect. But
391 any faults it does have tend to be way short of the typical problems you'll
392 find in a city of this size. Blame people, not power, not money. If they
393 want to find the enemy, they only have to look in the mirror.
394
395 We are the enemy. As long as we focus in on others exclusivly, whe don't stand
396 a chance of improving the big picture. Who here hasn't been touched by greed
397 and coruption? Who here hasn't participated atleast once? Who here has never
398 lied or cheated? Who here has never treated another unjustly? We are all
399 responsible to one degree or another.
400
401 The world can be a better place. We must start with ourselves, and work our
402 way outward. It is counterproductive to try to fix the world when we ourselves
403 are broken. Without inner piece, there can be no lasting change. Anger is
404 a negative emotion. Violence at best brings about the illusion of change.
405 Underneth the surface the old pains and hatreds will still seth.
406
407 Yet humanity seems anxious to try these dysfunctional solutions. Will we
408 ever evolve beyond the stick and muscle diplomacy that still hides barely
409 beneath the surface of so much that happnes in the modern world?
410
411 Or are we destined to be one of natures failures? Not even a footnote
412 in the history of the universe? I just don't know. But with each passing
413 year, I move closer to the conclusion that we will in fact fail. If I am
414 around when it happens, I will feel no joy, being right about such an
415 ending would be at best a no win situation.
416
417 But it doesn't have to end that way. There is so much potential in we the
418 human race. There is beauty and genius in all of us. If we do not shut
419 them off. If we do not deny them. If we do not take the path that leads
420 only to self gratification.
421
422 An Astral Dreamer
423 &*&*&*&*'s (And still some argue.)
424
015=Usr:658 Justin Klein 12/10/91 19:47 Msg:6876 Call:38868 Lines:45
425 ----------------------------Justin the Blue---------------------------------
426
427 Astral
428 :
429 Your friendly welcome made me think that maybe I had known you before
430 when I was a pdx'er. You see, I've made high friends in low places....
431 they come out of the woodwork from time to time.
432
433 Back in '88, just before I left for Corvallis, my then-girlfriend now-wife
434 Britt helped initiate the oft-misspelled "Boarder" wars. Of course, I can
435 see you know, in a limited way, the advantage of having a finder-tag-string
436 in your posts here. I've noticed that the use of full borders has fallen
437 off here, but back then, that was how you opened and closed your entries
438 if you wanted to be separated from the great ASCII horde.
439
440 The Border Wars of 1988 primarily consisted of "This is my Boarder! No it
441 isn't I had it first! Yes it is, I was posting here before I was born
442 and I have blood samples to prove it...."
443
444 I was foolish enough to mention that it wasn't a "Boarder", but a "Border"
445 war that was going on. I was promptly ascii-dogpiled on and learnt my
446 lesson. Nuff said.
447
448
449 In your reminisicence of why pdx is not as bad as they say and just
450 aout better than anyplace else, I realized that the concern I had
451 really didn't go that deep...though our thoughts along the sentimental
452 line were valid enough. The thing that gets me is that most pdx.whiners
453 just seem to need something to whine about. They really seem to need
454 to see somthing wrong...as though what was wrong wasn't bad enough...
455 it's not good enough that the city's on the banks of the Styx, it's that
456 it's across the river from Hell...that sort of thing. It's not bad enough
457 that it can't be worse.
458
459 My mother in law's that way. She has a house in McMinnville that is
460 in below average shape, and that's all she knows. Can't blame hre
461 for it, but it gets to the extreme when she comes to our new neighborhood
462 and sees all the wonderful architecture in Brooklyn (you know, around
463 Powell Blvd and Milwaukie Ave) and admires the houses, but can't look
464 at them beyond how much work there would be in maintaining them.
465
466 Each is magnificent. A magnificent job of work.
467
468 I'm rambling. I'll go on later.
469 ----------------------------Justin the Blue-----------------------------
016=Usr:663 Brittania Klein 12/10/91 20:50 Msg:6877 Call:38870 Lines:10
470 >>>>>>> Hmmmm, no massive borders. Gonna have to fix that..... <<<<<<<
471
472 HEY, EVERYBODY!
473
474 Brittania's back, and now she's got a HUSBAND.
475
476 <bow> Thank you, thank you...... Ahhh, adoring crowds. :-)
477
478@
479 >>>>><<<<<>>>>><<<<<>>>>><<<<<>>>>><<<<<>>>>><<<<<>>>>><<<<<>>>>><<<<<>>>>>
017=Usr:660 Rick Young 12/10/91 21:06 Msg:6878 Call:38871 Lines:20
480 /+-{]`#O=+ RORSCHACH +=O'}+
481
482 December 10, 1991
483
484 Leaving restaraunt today, police restrained youth on drugs. He was screaming
485 about president bush. Something about bombs. Is everyone but me going mad?
486
487 Overhead, bird circling in flight south. Beyond that, unseen, spy satellites.
488 If they so much as narrow their glass eyes, we shall all be dead.
489
490 This rudder less world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not
491 god who kills the children. Not fate who butchers them, or destiny that feeds
492 them to the dogs.
493
494@It'
495@
496 It's us. Only us.
497
498@ /+-{]`#O=+ RRCAH+O'}-+\
499 /+-{]`#O=+ RORSCHACH +=O#'[}-+\
018=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 12/11/91 08:50 Msg:6879 Call:38879 Lines:8
500 &*&*&*&*'s
501 I go on those little tirades every once in awhile. Your post just gave me an
502 op to spew at certain parties that have been making BW a very unfun place to
503 be recently. We'll just have to post them into submissio. :-)
504
505 An Astral Dreamer
506 &*&*&*&*'s (I want to be a Rock N' Roll star)
507
019=Usr:657 Shrew kate 12/11/91 10:14 Msg:6880 Call:38881 Lines:2
508 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
509
020=Usr:657 Shrew kate 12/11/91 10:17 Msg:6881 Call:38882 Lines:14
510@Like the Brown residence, heds stood empty for some time before
511@ty were "given away." And thinking I was just another of those filthy
512@t ruined the world (because I didn't appear to work full tim{
513@
514@all the time and I gardened alot, I suppose), another of the Gang of swell
515@neighbors around here tried to proposition me into growing a massive amount
516@of dope in Ma's shed. The deal was he'd provide all the "stuff" and seal
517@off the sheds with plastic inside if I'd "just" do the growing. Said he'd
518@split the profit with me. His purpose, he said, was to get enough money
519@
520@dream vineyard he was gonna have some day.
521@
522@Not that I ever WOULD consider i}t, but I already had the guy's nu
523@
021=Usr:657 Shrew kate 12/11/91 12:39 Msg:6882 Call:38884 Lines:39
524 Like the Brown residence, Ma's house/sheds stood empty for some time before
525 they were given away. And thinking I was just another one of those filthy
526 hippies that "ruined te world" (because I didn't appear to be working full
527 time all the time and I gardened a lot, I suppose), another of the Gang of
528 swell neighbors around here tried to proposition me into growing massive
529 amounts of dope in Ma's shed. The deal was, he said, he'd provide all the
530 "stuff" and seal off all the sheds with black plastic inside if *I'D* do
531 the GROWING. Said he'd SPLIT the profit with me. His purpose, he said,
532 was to get money for the "dream vineyard" he was gonna have some day.
533
534 Not that I ever WOULD consider it, but I already had the guy's number
535 anyway. See, some years earlier I'd had some Trouble with the Revenew's
536 kid Ceaselessly taunting my dog so that one fine day, while I was engaged
537 in a phone conversation, she happened to bolt out of the house after this
538 kid which, of course, resulted in a messy tangle and the kid ended up with
539 atiny cut on his l. most probably from his own braces. I wasn't
540 any too concerned about it until Ma informed me there might ben to
541 be, lived t 30-40 years previou and KNOWING about
542 such thing. And sure enough, not only did "the police" show up to
543 question me about possible chickenpoop "assault" charges (IF you can
544 imagine???), but they Ceaselessly "patrolled" my house for weeks after-
545 ward. Evidently Ma had also notice 'cause she told me to call down and
546 tell the department that a brother of my neighbor down the street was
547 harassing me ... with city equint an their time. ~'{Ma'd Ma'd told me it was p
548 [D
549 ]
550 probably the guy who lived dowon by Fred Meyer who'd always kept his patrol
551 car right there in his driveway who was related to this Mr. Day who lived
552 right down from us (and UP from the Revenewer). So I checked it out and
553 sure enough ... and nwhen I called 'em down at the department they just
554 kinda chuckled and said they'd look into it. But the "patrolling" DID stop.
555
556 Now I ask myself, with all this fine local police assistance available
557 right here, HOW could it be that there is STILL so much **REAL** crime in
558 the neighborhood??? I hope poor Al Brown wasn't picked on all this time
559 for being the same calibre of criminal I'm apparently considered to be.
560
561 Or should I say maybe I hope he was??? It's so confusing.
562
022=Usr:657 Shrew kate 12/11/91 17:51 Msg:6883 Call:38890 Lines:28
563
564 XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOX THE SANGE CASE OF DAN KLEE, HUH???? XOXOXOX
565
566 Excellent article. And very typical of the BS at PPS, as WE ALL KNOW.
567 I think it's interesting also that there is a VIRGINIA MC ELROY down
568 the School of Education at PSU who is in charge of placing student
569 teachers at PPS I included this in my extensve report to the Board of
570 Education, which I have confirmation in writing that Mr. RIeke and Mr.
571 Kafourey have read. I originally submitted it to Carol Turner, but she
572 wouldn't neither send me a written reply, as requested, OR return my
573 phone calls. I sent the report because they refused to grant me the
574 "executive" meeting they USED to have when "personnel matters" were
575 involved. I see tEd Schmidt is not heading Personnel. Homany
576 henchmen positions has he held over the last 10 years anyway. Seems
577 like he's somewhere new every year or so.
578
579 But it's funny, the bizarre problems I had at PPS (other than with Don's
580 FORMER secretary who was finally Given a department of he own) was with
581 the wife of the Asst. Dean of Education at PSU ... who DOES hiring of
582 the adjunct types, I believe. Tightknit bunch, huh?
583
584 But isn't it funny too how few teachers felt free to respond when the
585 guy was obviously totally obnoxious??? (that's not a criticism ...
586 teachers already have it bad enough already)
587
588 XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOX Something needs to be done about the Board and the
589 Board needs to DO SOMETHING about McElroy. This is TOO TYPICAL!!!!!!!
590
023=Usr:658 Justin Klein 12/11/91 19:09 Msg:6884 Call:38891 Lines:26
591 ----------------------------Justin the Blue--------------------------------
592 As long as we are pontificating on REAL problems that need solving,
593 did anybody read that one in The Oregonian about those impoverished souls
594 at a SE Division area (I think) apartment complex? They're kicking everyong
595 there out after just a month after the place changing owners.
596
597 It's front page news. The agent for these folx needs a PR lesson, bad.
598 He said the single mothers and poor people who live there are "just lazy"
599 and he "didn't believe" that it cost somebody $750-1000 to get into another
600 apartment. I'd like to backhand him one. This apartment we are in right
601 now is nothing if not modest...moderate rent, too....over $800 to move in,
602 counting the pet deposit.
603
604 What got me is that the company (a California one, wouldn't you know?)
605 sent all the tenants a note of greeting and a bottle of Champagne last
606 month when the complex was bought. These are the kind of people
607 that give all landlords a very bad name.
608
609 Thank God MY life is going alright. So may others are on the ropes....
610
611 Been so busy I haven't even stopped to look on the Mall downtown...looked
612 up and saw Portlandia. Like a shot in the arm. Q.P. times are soon.
613
614 ....and, one wonders the general interval between disk cleanups...<ahem>....
615 --------------------------The above was a whine. Though----------------------
616 it would be nice if Disk A opened up some...................................
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617
618 Hmmmmmm.... Well, poor Hosford. I've heard Ron Hanlon ipretty much of
619
025=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 12/11/91 20:53 Msg:6886 Call:38894 Lines:16
620 &*&*&*&*'s
621 I moved a couple of months back. Total cost, $975 for the first month I only
622 had to come up with $775 right of the bat though. Talk about painfull. It'll
623 be the end of febuary before I really recover. And this was for a decent sized
624 one bedroom apartment in an older building downtown. Of th $575 move in cost,
625 $400 is refundable when I move out.
626
627 And this is one of the cheaper places to live in the DT area. They keep
628 buildin these upscale apartment buildings. The city give the developers a
629 10 year break on property takes. One bedroom apartments cost about $750
630 a month in most of these places. What a deal eh? And we all pay that little
631 extra to make up for the loss, while the tenants pay thru the nose as well.
632
633 An Astral Dreamer
634 &*&*&*&*'s (Oh no, its catching. But atleast its interactive now.)
635
026=Usr:660 Rick Young 12/11/91 21:25 Msg:6887 Call:38896 Lines:16
636 /+-{]`#O=+ RORSCHACH +=O#'[}+
637
638 12-11-91
639
640 The morning roads are choked with attitudes like blood cells in a vein; to go
641 anywhere you push your way in and go with the flow.
642
643 If a cell should crash, others clot as they go by, congesting the vein.
644 Mindless drones.
645
646 One day, perhaps enough cells will crash and the blood will overflow the
647 sewers. When the sewers finally scab over, we will all drown.
648
649 Have to rise above that if we want to keep our noses clean.
650
651 +{`#O=+ RORSCHACH +=O#'[}-+\
027=Usr:663 Brittania Klein 12/12/91 00:29 Msg:6888 Call:38897 Lines:10
652 >>>>><<<<<>>>>><<<<<>>>>><<<<<>>>>><<<<<>>>>><<<<<>>>>><<<<<>>>>><<<<<>>>>>
653
654 I just caught my cats trying to boff each other.
655
656 Both are male.
657 Both are fixed.
658
659 Makes you wonder, don't it?
660
661 >>>>><<<<<>>>>><<<<<>>>>> Britt <<<<<>>>>><<<<<>>>>><<<<<>>>>><<<<<>>>>>
028=Usr:657 Shrew kate 12/12/91 06:48 Msg:6889 Call:38900 Lines:6
662
663
664
665
666
667
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668
669 ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
670
671 What the @#$(*&^!! Every time it seems really important I seem to get
672 such horrible line noise I can't make my postings <grin> and I can
673 never figure out where the trouble lies. I just completely turned off
674 my MAChine (actually it's an IBM clone ... I don't have a printer for
675 the Mac) and now I can re-enter, so it MUST be the machine, huh???
676 So, I wonder of NOW IS THE TIME to see if I can't get some help for MY
677 case against PPS. I really SHOULD complete my Pat North entry ... oh
678 well.
679
680 I sure hope my modem problems aren't my phone jacks, though, because it
681 costs two arms and a leg to have them even diagnose a problem?? Isn't
682 there still a monopoly on phone line repairs, though?
683
030=Usr:322 Stray Cat 12/12/91 09:25 Msg:6891 Call:38903 Lines:14
684
685 ()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()() Deja Vu or WHAT???
686
687 Geesh! I walked down to Dirty Fred's this morning (outta coffin nails)
688 and stopped off at Burger King for one of their TINY breakfast sandwiches
689 (I think they're 1-1/2" across) and this guy walks in and says the entire
690 Tigard police department is right up in the next parking lot ... said he'd
691 heard some guys arguing up t but that was all. So after about 20 min-
692 utes I left and strolled on by and sure enough there WERE 4-5 police cars
693 up there settling the dispute.I guess I was over-paranoid about having
694 4-5 cars show up at the very same spot when all we'd evidently done was
695 gone through a red light at a very confusing spot (in a very old car ...
696 THAT's probably what they didn't like).
697
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698 /+-{]`#O=+ RORSCHACH +=O#'[}-+\
699
700 12-12-91
701
702 Pompous piping parakeets bickered it out at work today. Listening to them
703 screech at each other over who is doing the most annoying things. Are earplugs
704 inexpensive?
705
706 All this useless arguing when there's so much to be done. So what if they dont
707 kow that by driving down the street they can change the future of mankind by
708 simply running over a small child or not.
709
710 They dont stop to realize the importance of events that do and do not happen.
711 Perhaps their removal from existance would enlighten them. For all their
712 volume they are but ostriches, who dont know the difference between themselves
713 and a human.
714
715 The universe is an ostrich. You can as easily be as dead or alive as you ar
716 now. The universe doesn't know the difference.
717
718 +{]`#O=+ RORSCHACH +=O#'[}-+\
032=Usr:658 Justin Klein 12/12/91 20:00 Msg:6893 Call:38910 Lines:35
719 -----------------------------Justin the Blue-------------------------------
720 Catching up on current pdx events, I saw the story someone mentioned here
721 about Dan Klee in Willy Week. God, what an unmitigated slime. And he
722 got away with it, too!
723 One of the reasons I want to make a lot of money is so I can send
724 my kids (if we have them, if in pdx) to private schools. PPS are poor
725 excuses for learning. My little sister started in them, and was doing
726 badly 'till she moved to Stayton. Stayton has many drawbacks, but one
727 of them is NOT having schools that don't give a darn.
728
729 More on the Landlords from Hell: the agent for RSVP Management (a
730 Burlingame, CA, business), one David Maxwell, recived a lot of hate
731 'phone calls that morning. He said he'd help by getting in touch
732 with social service agencies. In the meantime, wonderful folx from around
733 the pdx have offered help in the form of money or help finding places to
734 live. Bless them.
735
736 The thing that made me angry about this so=called gent? In evaluating
737 the tenant's situation, he mentioned that they should "get off thier lazy
738 butts"; and The Oregonian related that he "didn't believe" that it cost
739 $800-$1000 to get into A Place Of Your Own.
740
741 What a royal ass. I hope his little slips of the lip cost him his job
742 and his rent. Be about right, I figure....
743
744 On the #19-Woodstock, crossing the Ross Is. Bridge, I saw a single
745 Christmas boat alight on the Willy, under the Marquam Bridge. An
746 early starter, no doubt (it was only about 6:00pm, and the Fleet
747 generally doesn't sail 'till around 7:00).
748
749 Remember: pray for the little guy. You never know when you might
750 become him.
751 -------------------------Justin the Blue----------------------------------
752 Hey, if SysOp don't clear off the A drive, let's start posting in the
753 Mall.
033=Usr:92 Katherine Dohert 12/12/91 21:30 Msg:6895 Call:38912 Lines:26
754 **************************************************************************
755 Note-I'm "stealing Mikey's border " - h aha ha ha
756 Unless things have changed here recently, doesn't each drive goto 999 lines?
757 What is this noice (whoops) noise I hear on line 752? get a life!
758 All is quiet here, getting a little stressed about how far behind I am in
759 getting the Christmas cards out and getting shopping done (with ? money?).
760 I'm starting to miss Ms Nomer, she's been gone for about what 7 months now?
761 Haven't heard a word, I hope she's happy in England. I hope she comes back
762 home sometime. The last time I saw her was in my driveway, she was driving
763 her little white rabbit and had her boyfriend with her. That's when she
764 gave us the news. I was stunned, I don't do well when I'm stunned. And then
765 she was done/gone. Oh well, Merry Christmas Kristy. Have started going to
766 a health club to try and beat the holiday excesses before they start. It's
767 an atempt anyway. I don't have anything exciting to write a story about,
768 now that is sad. I could make a comment about the Kennedy trial, ok let's
769 do that. I'm glad that he got off. I'm also sad for the "girl", but
770 hey, now she can make a mint off the mini series. Only in America. Ok,
771 on to world politics. I read in the Oregonian (what a joke) today while
772 riding the lifecycle that "US offica\ials believe power is shifting to
773 Yetsin" NO KIDDING?/! I can't believe some of the trash in the paper.
774 Ok, so the USSR is no more, now we can look forward to all kinds of civil
775 war s in these new nations. I can't even bear (sp) to think of what kind
776 of money this will cost us when we rush into each dispute to "save democracy"..
777 Bah. Well, that's enough mindless typing. I think I'll sit down and write
778 a real story.
779 ******happyholiday'severyone**************kathyD****************************
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780 Although I've never MET Ron Hanlon, I remember being shocked by
781 the rantings of a fellow secretary about how unbelievably cruel he'd been
782 to here ane had a horrible shock. I was shocked
783 ed quiteith his wife ...who is, evidently, a long-term good friend of Eleanor
784 Hardt, whose husband probably hired Dan Klee.
785
786 Also interesting is that the current Union rep refused to work for Eleanor
787 although she only had about three other people she worked with when the
788 only other secretary in the department had about 10 people she worked for.
789 Eleanor had her desk in Avis' room, but Helen had d
790 hall (rea?) Avis always
791
792 for other people outside the building ... people I'd never met. Helen
793 had catar and had trouble sg and would have to have her husband
794 come in weekends to help her finish unbelievable overload. It was
795 a nightmare, but I was told all offices were that way (like I fell off a
796 vegetable truck just that week) ...
797
798 A second secrry ref Eleanor too.
799
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800 Which, as TAG will remember, is exacth Bevanged thin.
801
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802
803 @_)#({body}amp;^#)!(#@_)!@(#_^^%$#!^@#)(!*#_)!*#_!*@#)&%@&~$!@~~*@_~@~^@#
804
805 In the interests of being impartial, I think the KATU newsteam's (and
806 more importantly Northwest Natural Gas') Earth Agenda should report on
807 the swindles perpetrated on unsuspecting landowners in order for "favorite
808 son" developers to built on the millions of acres of wetlands that have
809 already been ruined ... so we wouldn't have to pay some other "favorite"
810 son to p to erect a phoney likeness of the same.
811
812 Why doesn't somebody do a huge study on Citadel Estates, for instance???
813
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814
815 And why doesn't KATU do one on the new freeways
816 going in to service Bull Mt. so that Bob Ames/Dale Johnson (formerly
817 of NWNG CO. but now with Esco I believe -- y need cheap
818 steal) can develop their vast holdings for even better returns???
819
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820
821
822 Does anybody wanna bet their farm
823
824 Does
039=Usr:658 Justin Klein 12/13/91 18:54 Msg:6903 Call:38933 Lines:48
825 --------------------------Justin the Blue--------------------------------
826 Freeways on Bull Mountain? Could the scribe who mentioned that be a
827 tad more exact? Freeways are certain things, and only certain roads with
828 certain features can be considered freeways.
829 Unless, of course, you are very angry.
830 The person who wrote the development complaint was interesting...but
831 incoherent. No, semicoherent. The person writing about something being
832 "exacth Bevanged thin", as "TAG will surely know"? There seemed to be
833 some parity problem here. It seemed interesting...I sure would like to know
834 exactly what it was about.
835
836 Why doesn't KATU investigate? Well, how about KGW or KOIN...or even
837 KPTV (Lars Larson would do an awesome job)? The complaint was a a little
838 confusing.
839
840 One of the ways that news such as this gets to ANY news organization
841 is for citizens just like you and me to call them or write. And don't
842 stop at television...go to radio and the newspapers. I bet someone
843 like Phil Stanford or Steve Duin at the Big O would give it a listen at
844 least. Or, if they don't get to it, try radio...surely somebody at
845 KBOO would like to get thier teeth into it.
846
847 Don't be disappointed if the "big" broadcasting folx don't slaver at
848 the bit, though. The only source of revenue for TV, (most) radio, and
849 newspapers is advertising. Advertisers have to be pleased with them.
850 Also there are the folx who view TV and the paper as nothing more than
851 entertainment...they don't want to be challenged, and won't be pleased if
852 thier TV is taken up with a lot of serious news.
853
854 Media has to please everyone. They don't. Any wonder?
855
856 And if the media prove fruitless in getting the word out, do it yourself.
857 Just because there's no money behind you...did someone take away your
858 mouth? Posting here was the first step. Get on your typewriter and
859 get to the xerox machine and take it to the streets if you have to.
860
861 Don't make the excuse that you're just one voice either. That's copping
862 out. Greater things have been started on a single voice, going on
863 until nobody could ignore it anymore.
864
865 Rambling about social responsiblility, now. Hmm. I guess it comes down
866 to this; if it's important, it's important enough to yell about. Don't
867 blame the media. If something isn't out there and it needs to be seen,
868 then get it out there where it CAN be seen. Don't wait 'round for someone
869 else to do the dirty work.
870
871 If nobody else will, it's your turn.
872 --------------------------Justin the Blue---------------------------------=
040=Usr:660 Rick Young 12/13/91 22:22 Msg:6904 Call:38939 Lines:16
873 /+-{]`#O=+ RORSCHACH +=O#'[}-+\
874
875 12-13-91
876
877 Watched street kids lighting matches and heating pennies to throw at homeless
878 people on street. They thought it was funny. Three of them, not older than 14
879 or 15. Didn't laugh when I kicked over their bicycles. Just ran.
880
881 Used broken glass from street to flatten tires. Maybe they'll laugh on the way
882 home pushin their bikes. Homeless man laughed at the scene as I sliced their
883 tires.
884
885 This city is dying of rabies. Is the best I can do to wipe random flecks of
886 foam from it's lips?
887
888 /+-{]`#O=+ RORSCHACH +=O#'[}-+\
041=Usr:658 Justin Klein 12/14/91 11:50 Msg:6905 Call:38946 Lines:28
889 -------------------------Justin the Blue---------------------------------
890
891 Good boy, Rorschach. The homeless have it bad enough without little
892 twits like those harassing them. I would have done the same thing if I
893 were in your situation.
894
895 It's not a sign of the city's decay, though. If it were, then the
896 homeless and people like you saw would only exist in pdx. They are almost
897 everywhere.
898
899 The reason that people are like that is becuase for more than ten years
900 now we have had leadership that have said grand things while all the while
901 giving a tacit okay to derision and contempt for the less fortunate. These
902 days, not having money is a social crime that people are despised for. The
903 Reagans and the Bush's, and those like them who have driven events having
904 to do with however much money you and me and others get to lead our lives,
905 have sold the vast flocks of sheep that elect them on the premise that one
906 is poor and homeless because They Want To Be. Nobody assumed that the
907 homeless were homeless by choice until the Reaganites came along.
908
909 Actually, it's not so bad here. What you saw was despicable, but it was
910 near the kinder end of the spectrum. It's worse elsewhere.
911
912 Not to excuse the fact that it happens here, of course. It should not happen
913 anywhere. But we'll have derision of the extremely poor as long as we
914 have leaders who love the rich and keep themselves in power by turning
915 fellow citizen on fellow citizen.
916 ---------------------------=Justin the Blue=------------------------------
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917 +{`O+RORSCHACH +=O#'[}-+\
918
919 12-14-91
920
921 More and more the city starves itself. Money is funded for street repairs,
922 replacing street signs, painting old buildings. Covering the decay.
923
924 But it's still there.
925
926 More and more the city hides it's welts and bruises. They are out there. I
927 have seen the blood in the gutters. I can walk by, and see it still. Even
928 after it's been washed away. It's still there, just hidden.
929
930 The city beautifies itself by covering up it's rotting core. Why cant they see
931 that the city is a whole. Not just a succession of mayors or the top 20 riches
932 of the last 10 years. It is a whole from the richest person to the lowliest
933 beggar.
934
935 But the city doesn't care. It is a pile of excretion with fancy dressing.
936
937 /+-{`O+RRCHACH +=O#'[}-+\
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938 /+-{]`#O=+ RORSCHACH +=O#'[}-+\
939
940 12-15-91
941
942 Not much today. Millions of death and births around the world. More than
943 2000 women have been raped while I typed this sentence. Less than 300 will
944 report it.
945
946 We overlook the miracle of the thermo-dynamic chance that each one of us
947 suceeded in becoming the life form we are, that we often take it for granted.
948 We cant expect to forget the miracle of our own lives that we take others
949 needlessly.
950
951@ /+-{]`#O=+ RORSCHAH+O'}+
952@
953@de
954 /-]#= RORSCHACH +=O#'[}-+\
044=Usr:322 Stray Cat 12/15/91 21:13 Msg:6908 Call:38967 Lines:7
955 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
956 Wel I finally got the nerve to read the rest disk. I knew I
957 coul the ual Supporregar But I
958 know when you're workin networked tyrant such as Walt Hathaway,
959 you gotta be that way ... which, as WW pointed out, is EXACTLY what
960 is wrong with the District.
961
045=Usr:322 Stray Cat 12/15/91 22:15 Msg:6909 Call:38969 Lines:10
962 Actually, AD, I should be quite angry with you. It's people like YOU that
963 keep things staying the same. You spout the same BS as the school,
964 churches, and psychiatric community intended to keep the masses humiliated,
965 feeling trivialized, and most importantly QUIET. But I think you're
966 especially irresponsible since you work AT the ad building where alot of
967 this shit comes down. Not only that you're single and have no kids. You
968 can AFFORD to stand up and make the difference. YOU SHOULD BE OUTRAGED
969 ABOUT WHAT GOES ON IN THE DISTRICT. Instead you pontificate the standard
970 stonewall program. You should be ashamed of yourself.
971
046=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 12/16/91 07:05 Msg:6910 Call:38974 Lines:28
972 &*&*&*&*'s
973 You only just read the disk. Thank you oh so much. Let me kiss your feet.
974 Walt has exactly zero to do with my opinions. Your endless blathering
975 without bothering to read rebutals however is a major factor. Congrats,
976 you've gotten me to the point where not only do I not care about what you're
977 saying, I'm rooting for the other side. Was that your intent?
978
979 I work very hard to make this world a better place. I donate to charity,
980 I help my friends and neighbors whenever I can, I speak out against
981 abuse and lies. I also LISTEN to the other side. Its amazing how usefull
982 that is. It gives me a chance to understand how there minds work, and
983 where they are coming from. I can then proccede to tell them just how
984 full of sh*t they are, and why. Its a method you might want to try.
985 Being destructive all the time serves no good purpose. It just makes people
986 think you are a whiny neurotic. And thus they ignore you, or worse they
987 do the opposite of what you recomend. If your only goal is to spew without
988 results, then thats fine. If however you truely want to make a change...
989
990 I work my way, you shot yourself in the foot your way. The tone of this
991 message has not been friendly I know. But frankly, I've gotten very tired
992 of you questioning my personal integrity. I am all to painfully aware of my
993 faults, as well as my strengths. I am also well aware of what goes on in
994 my little corner of the admin building at work. People are not perfect. Thats
995 a lesson you should have learned by now. We're all fighting entropy. Some of
996 us are doing it by building, rather then destroying.
997
998 An Astral Dreamer