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001=#-1-4 03/15/1987 16:14(0 Min) Msg#0 Call#0 19 Lines
1 If you are in need of help, you need but ask...
2 **************************** 04 APR 87 (dev) **********************************
3 Welcome to BWMS (BackWater Message System) Mike Day System operator
4 ************************************************************
5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION
6 PLACED ON THIS SYSTEM.
7 BWMS was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS is a privately owned
8 and operated system which is currently open for use by the general public.
9 no restrictions are placed on the use of the system. As the system is
10 privately owned, I retain the right to remove any and all messages which
11 I may find offensive. Because of the limited size of the system, it will be
12 periodically purged of messages. (only 629 lines of data can be saved)
13 to leave a message, type 'ENTER' and use ctrl/C or break to get out of the
14 ENTER mode. The message is automatically stored. If after entering the
15 message you find you made a mistake, use the replace command to replace
16 the line. To exit from the system, type 'OFF' then hang up.
17 type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system.
18 ***********************************************************
19
002=#84-4 03/15/1987 14:22(15 Min) Msg#129 Call#0 2 Lines
20@At the top! Woopee!!!!
21@Boarder..Boredoor..Boardear
003=#84-4 03/15/1987 14:45(5 Min) Msg#130 Call#0 3 Lines
22@Har hardy har.. A real twit was here
23@^G^G^G^G ding-a-ling-a-ling
24@Ain't I neat? ^G^G^G^G^G^G
004=#84-4 03/15/1987 15:02(25 Min) Msg#130 Call#16384 4 Lines
26 An idea of what a Header would look like mixed in with some text
27 I don't know if it means anything or not.
28 Of course part of this is to see how visible it will look mixed with text.
29 ************************ CISTOP MIKEY *************************
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30 Hello. test.
31 test.
32 test.
33 test some more.
34 test again.
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35 Yat (Yet another test).
36 3/15/78 @ 4:55pm
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37 Snarf?
008=#0-4 11/03/1989 00:46(1 Min) Msg#0 Call#0 2 Lines
38 Snort, growf snit... Gronk?
39
009=#0-4 03/19/1987 01:43(0 Min) Msg#0 Call#0 1 Lines
40 Snark, snorf.
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41 $^%#@*&^#(*&^@#*^@#*(&@%#&^%@*&#%&@^%#&^%#&^@%#&^%@^&#%&^@%# T.T.
42
43 Strikes again!
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44 Snarf, glorb, snit, growf, the lazy brown dog jump over the quick fox, or
45 something like that.
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46@+++++++++++++ Deleted line test
47@+++++++++++++ Line 2
48@+++++++++++++ Line 3
49@+++++++++++++ Line 4
013=#0-4 04/04/1987 22:14(10 Min) Msg#0 Call#0 21 Lines
50 *******************************************************
51 Well, it looks like we lost the message base that we had here such as it was.
52 It isn't completely lost, only that for somereaon it isn't compatible to
53 this new version. I don't know why, there shouldn't be any reason for
54 a difference. Oh well, It is still available since I saved a copy of the
55 old disk. I'll put it in with the next archive release.
56 Speaking of which, should we include headers in the archives, or not?
57 Also, could someone work on making the archive command work?
58 Downloading is not the best way to handle this I did it to try to
59 find out why the old data wasn't compatible with the new, and it
60 took forever. I'm a bit worried about the non-compatiblity problem.
61 When I tried to do enter it blew up with a run-time error of 91
62 (read past end of file). Any ideas?
63 There are still some minor logic errors in the system in regard to
64 timeout and hangup that I have to work on. I did modify this Sanyo
65 to not take so long accesssing the disk drive (only one second instead of
66 two seconds). And it has the hardware mod to make the motor stay on
67 on demand, but the code hasn't been implimented yet.
68 But at least you can hack away at what we have so far and see how it works
69 and find the bugs that we haven't fixed yet.
70 ****************************** CISTOP MIKEY ******************************
014=#0-4 04/05/1987 01:42(3 Min) Msg#0 Call#0 6 Lines
71 Uhhhh.... Mikey? I see we have the prompt for a password to get level 4 access.
72 What are our passwords? Or how do we get them?
73
74 As for the error, have you tried to track down the address the error msg gave
75 you? It would help to know *which* file it re^Aad past the end of!
76 ____04/05/87__________Leonard_JD 2446890.8928_________02:25:44_PDT_________
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77 It's in the Write_dummy_header procedure when it tries to do a seek,
78 it says it is seeking past the end of the file. Specifically it is the
79 SEEK(sessionfile, thismsg); statement, which means either that the
80 "thismsg variable got damaged someplace, or that there is a problem with
81 "sessionfile".
82 *************************** CM ***************************************
83 p.s. look in the listing for the password :-)
016=#0-4 04/05/1987 13:36(34 Min) Msg#0 Call#0 22 Lines
84 There *is* a problem with the session file. I keep getting the same line for
85 several session headers. Try going SE 1, SE 2, etc and you'll see what I mean.
86
87 Look in the listing? *What* listing? *I* didn't get a copy of the current
88 version. In f^Aact portions of the last listing I *did* get were garbled due to
89 the disk drive problems....
90 <sigh>
91 ____04/05/87__________Leonard_JD 2446891.3396_________13:09:48_PDT_________
92 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
93 Leonard: Try the obvious. The first four letters of the "Password: "
94 prompt. (Hint, hint :-}) The word is easy to change, and it should be before
95 BWII's debut.
96 Mike: The only thing I can suggest is to look at everything that modifies
97 Thismsg... a lot of ground. I can only say that everything I've got does not
98 blow up, at least, not yet :-).
99 Leonard again: I just checked SE 1, SE 2, SE 3. The reason you're getting
100 the same line for SE 2 and SE 3 is because you were stuck at level 0 and
101 session 3 has been deleted (so you can't see it). SE (and related commands)
102 don't produce an error message when you try this, but rather look for a
103 session that you *can* look at. This doesn't happen unless all of the lines
104 of a session are deleted.
105 ++++++++++++ Milchar ++++++++ April 5, 1987 at 1:38pm ++++++++++++++++++++++++
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106 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++
107 Oh, oh. There is no session header between Leonard and myself above. I'm
108 going to look after I finish and see if one has been generated for this one.
109 This is notta good, here... What've you been doing to my code, Mike? :-)
110 ++++++++++ Milch, part 1
111 Well, it's working now... Any ideas of what happened? (Why is it that none of
112 these things happen with my version of the code? [So far.])
113 +++++++++++++++++++ Milch +++++ a bit puzzled. ++++++ April 6, 1987 ++++++++++
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114 **********************************
115 I haven't done anything to it! One possiblity is if Leonard hung up on the
116 system, or did a control C while it was trying to close things up, it might
117 have aborted the procedure and not do a proper BYE. Then if you called in
118 before the system timed out, you might have gotten in on Leonards sesson.
119 Which reminds me guys, don't do ^C's to get out of here, just type BYE, it
120 will take care of everything else for you.
121 ****************************** CM *******************************
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122 I'd tried the pw from BWMS 1.5 and "PASSWORD". By the way, it seems to be case
123 sensitive. Do we want this?
124
125 I hope no one minds, but I had to say something about the fake '01'. How do you
126 like the address(es)? (I decided that xxx.net was a bit *too* much)
127 ____04/07/87__________Leonard_JD 2446893.6515_________20:38:40_PDT_________
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129 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
130 Leonard: It *IS* case sensitive. Whether to change it is up for discussion.
131 The Getpass() function is just a minor variant of Get_line, which evolved from
132 Mike's Getcmdln. Eventually, all three will be one slightly larger master
133 input routine.
134 Mike: Any progress? "Status report, Mr. Sulu."
135 ++++++++++++++++ Milch +++++++++ April 9, 1987 at 12:00am ++++++++++++++++++++
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136 ____04/09/87__________Leonard_JD 2446895.6480_________20:33:12_PDT_________
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137 Did the "headers on" type command not make it into this version, or am I just
138 that much more behind in what's what?
139 DaveO
140 (oops, that's not a BackWater user. Excuse Please.)
141 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
142 (It said 859 lines remaining. Oh boy oh boy oh boy.)
143 DaveO: Headers are visible at level 4. Currently, BWII is set up to do the
144 most necessary functions, so it might be put up while we work on bigger and
145 better things. The way permissions work right now is this:
146 Level 0: All allowed permissions only on text entered during the current
147 session.
148 Level 4: All allowed.
149 LEVEL affects CH, DE, RE, UN, and whether headers are visible.
150 If something illegal is tried (such as editing the top 19 lines at level 0)
151 you get messages like 'CHANGE NOT ALLOWED' and 'DELETE NOT ALLOWED'.
152 Last I heard, Mikey was working on some of the modem routines, speeding up
153 drive access, and thinking about how to implement 1200 detect on the Sanyo.
154 Other than an almost inexplicable problem with write_dummy_header (a
155 procedure used by ENter), the code is holding together well.
156 ++++++++++++++++++ Milchar +++++++++ April 10, 1987 ++++++ 12:19am +++++++++++
157 And yet another header isn't created. When did you log out, Dave?
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158 ***************************************************
159 Status report: (or non-status report...:-)
160 I haven't had a chance to dig very deep in the code yet, I moved
161 the procedures as we discussed, and did a little prelim on fixing some
162 of the modem stuff, I think I have a handle on the 1200 control now,
163 it will require a new RS232 board. Which means rewritting the INT14
164 machine level drivers.
165 One bug I just found, if you go into enter mode and then do a ^C with
166 out entering anything, it blows up. sigh.... Says io error 99.
167 ***************************** CM ******************************
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168 :::::O O:::::::04/10/87::::::::::voyeur::::::::::::21:02:::::level 0:::O O:::::
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169 ____04/10/87__________Leonard_JD 2446896.7005_________21:48:43_PDT_________
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170 **************************************************
171 Milchar: We need to get together to get this enter/session/disk I/O
172 mess cleaned up. I've been going over the code and doing some clean up
173 on it, but I'm running into areas where I'm not sure what you are doing.
174 So rather than making some follish mistakes, I think it might be better
175 if we got together and did an intensive edit session.
176 Another point to consider, I've looked at what has evolved, and with
177 the implimentation of full header files, I think it might be better
178 if we change the way the headers are handled. specifically, that the
179 position of the header within the header file matches the line number
180 where it is associated rather than the current build from top down
181 mess. I suspect that it will clean things up a bit. Thsi should make
182 killign lines a little easier since we won't have to move anything,
183 only reassign it. This puts the load fully on the link file to maintain
184 everything. But since it already keeps track of the session headers
185 I don't see a problem here. Any comments?
186 ********************** CM 4-11-87 10:22 ******************
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187 Just taking a break from #%^@Q#Q tax forms.....
188 ____04/12/87__________Leonard_JD 2446898.5569_________18:21:59_PDT_________
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189 Ah yes, taxes. I owe The State $489 this year. As if I had such bounty to
190 toss carelessly about.
191 You know, I'm not the worlds fastest typist, but BWMS II seems to lag a bit
192 behind, and even drop a character now and then. Not good, eh?
193 ::::::O O::::::::04/12/87::::::::::::voyeur::::::::::::::20:39:35:::::O O::::::
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194 ************************************************
195 Yes, it is a problem, the character dropping occurs at the start of the line
196 every six lines or so as the disk access occurs. It is also sluggish because
197 it is sitting behind BW I, therefor it has another set of UARTs to go through
198 which causes an additional delay. Thus when you type a character, it goes out
199 your UART, and gets collected by the BW I UART (33ms), then BW I sends it
200 on to BWII through another set of UARTs (another 33ms). BWII processes it,
201 and echos it out its UART back to BW I (another 33ms) BW I picks it up and
202 echos it on to you (yet another 33ms). This isn't counting the time over the
203 wires of course. And since the Uarts involved for most of this are 8251's,
204 and I know that from a standing start they add an additional 1.5 bit time
205 delay (standing start is what we are normally dealing with in manual typing).
206 We are talking 38ms at each of those levels. so we have a total harware delay
207 of 38x4, or 142ms. Lets add another 8ms of transmission delay (probably a
208 little more than that, but its close enough), and we have about 150ms echo
209 time from when you hit the key until you see it on your screen. Well over a
210 tenth of a second, and definitely noticable. This is compared to talking
211 only to BW I where we can eliminate two of those 38ms delays. Which knocks
212 us back down to around 80ms, which is well under one tenth of a second, not
213 so noticable, and something we are used to, whereas the 150ms delay we are
214 not used to, and so is noticable as "different". The end result of all this
215 is that when BWII makes its debut it will be back at the echo speed you are
216 more used to, and of course at 1200 baud even more so!
217 ********************* CM 4/12/87 11:25 pm ********************************
218 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
219 Whew! I've been busy writing down some incantations, and so haven't been on
220 for a bit....
221 Mikey: I can see where that would would help out a lot (no more msgarray!) in
222 places. No objection to putting the load on links, I *think* that's pretty
223 strong in my mind nowadays, and I *believe* I remember what I was doing on most
224 of the link file stuff... (SIDE NOTE: To educate those of you in the audience
225 who do not know, the previous mess, taken together, comprise what is called in
226 the computer biz a 'disclaimer'. Ususally put forth when the person dosen't
227 really remember what went on in his head when coding that particular bit of
228 kludging, and furthermore would be hard-pressed to relate what happened to him
229 the night before. SIDE NOTES- your guide to computer terminology. Thank you
230 for your cooperation.)
231 ++++++++++ Milch ++++++++++++++++++++++ April 12, 1987 at 11:46pm +++++++++++++
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232 Hmmm, yet another missing header....
233 I apparrently left it just before Milchar signed on. I had typed BYE and
234 it did it's thing, and returned to the command prompt. I suspect that it has
235 something to do with returning to the system via timeout that is the differnce
236 Normally you should see the message "WELCOME TO BWMS II etc... when you
237 enter here. If you don't get that message, if all you get is the "Command:"
238 prompt please let me know. Then we can corelate that with the missing header
239 problem and maybe findout where it is.
240 Milchar: Do you think it might have something to do with a buffer problem?
241 not closing the file or flushing the disk buffer properly?
242 The problem would have to be in the link file since that is where we
243 find out if the line has a header attached to it.
244 *********************** CM 4-13-87 7:44pm ********************************
032=#0-4 04/14/1987 19:42(1 Min) Msg#0 Call#0 2 Lines
245 What! Disclaimers! I'm not allowed to use disclaimers..... (ask my users) :-)
246 ____04/1387__________Leonard_JD 2446899.6874_________21:29:55_PDT_________
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247 ::::::::::O O::::::04/13/87::::::::::::voyeur:::::::::::::23:57:::::::O O::::::
248 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& the scarlet lion &&&&&&&
249 this really got my attention. 2 lines in 13 minutes? i
250 haven't even been on the line that long! another pair of
251 merged entries thanks to bw2. shucks. i was only going
252 to leave a marker, and here i am with a commentary...
253 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& the scarlet lion &&&&&&&
254 && now to see if it throws me out of ENter for too many [return]s..
255
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259
260
261 && guess not. oops! i forgot, i'm on the wrong LEVEl!
034=#0-4 04/15/1987 00:09(9 Min) Msg#0 Call#0 13 Lines
262 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
263 Harumph. IF bye is called, *all* of the linkfile junk is written out. The
264 linkfiles are read into memory once, at login. There doesn't seem to be much
265 room for problems there.
266 The most important variable to check for this condition is
267 'bottomptr[currentdrive]'. It must contain the bottom line number of the disk
268 *before* a person logs in. ENter checks to see if the lines being entered are
269 below this pointer. If so, then it thinks that this is part of the same
270 session, and tacks more data on the last header line. If not, then it goes
271 ahead and writes a new dummy header for the new session.
272 One good code-tightening session we need to arrange. Are there any suggestions
273 for the time/place?
274 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Milch ++++++++++ 4/14/87@1:39am ++++++++++++++++++
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275 ____04/14/87__________Leonard_JD 2446900.6817_________21:21:38_PDT_________
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276 **************************************************
277 Milchar; I don't have any good time really, this weekend is out what with it
278 being Easter and all. Do you have any input on the matter? Week days
279 seem to be a bad time right now as there is pressure at work to get a
280 project out by May 12 which was moved up from May 31. At $2 million
281 involved in the deal, it is rather important.
282 ******************************* CM 4-15-87 10:22pm *****************
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283 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
284 My classes cut only intermittently into my time this term, and now things are
285 beginning to settle down. I do not have any classes Tuesdays, Thursdays, and
286 weekends. If some time in early evening suffices, then nearly any day of the
287 week is possible. Of course, all of this is modified by my rather sudden
288 assignments to programs, thrown at me willy-nilly by L'homme. (Listening,
289 Parity?) Generally I can fit/squeeze/alter scedules around appointments, so
290 nearly anytime will be okay (barring the ravages of Tri-Mess).
291 Regarding my story on A: I've gotta do *something* to keep BW alive until
292 something doorish can be written.
293 ++++++++++++++++++++ Milchar +++++++++++++++++++ April 16, 1987 at 12:15am ++++
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294 Milchar: you have no idea how tempting it is.....
295 I had this flash on Bard dropping by with a (somewhat mangled) wand and a
296 "I believe this is yours?"
297 ____04/16/87__________Leonard_JD 2446902.7477_________22:56:45_PDT_________
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299 ok, yet another version is implimented. Give it a shot.
300 If you type a control C at the first line it still blows up on you
301 in enter though, this is because I haven't installed the new data
302 file with full lines preentered. I didn't want to loose this data
303 file just yet, so we will have to live with that bug for a bit.
304 Once I change files, we will loose what is here again.
305 Milch: tenatively shall we mark a date of next saturday? say 11:00am?
306 *********************** CM 4/19/87 12:22am **********************
041=#0-4 04/19/1987 16:43(4 Min) Msg#0 Call#0 10 Lines
307 Well, I finally made *real* use of one of the new features. I'd done an FA
308 and *then* realized that I'd forgotten to turn on line numbers. But all I had
309 to do was NU Y<cr>FA<cr>.
310 I see we are getting more twits (damn near the full spectrum). I hear we had a
311 disk full of cr's yesterday. And we have the fake 01 postings (please delete
312 these as they appear! *please*), and then we have idiots like /// who flame
313 people withouy knowing what is going on...
314 <sigh>
315 ____04/19/87__________Leonard_JD 2446905.4246_________15:11:26_PDT_________
316@
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317 Looks like ^C can be a real killer. I started my session with LI (so I could
318 do a BO and see if it was familiar). I ^Ced after it told me the number of
319 lines, but before it had a chance to tell me 'if you are in need of help..'.
320 The system rebooted (I guess; I got the Waiting for CR, then the welcome msg
321 again). Since I didn't participate in the coding, I don't know what to expect,
322 so I don't not do something 'cause I know it won't work. I guess I'm more
323 along the lines of your generic (ab)user.
324 :::::::O O::::::04/19/87:::::::::voyeur::::::::::::15:37:10:::::::::O O::::::::
325 P.S. Hey, I almost forgot I have editing privileges here. So nice!
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326 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
327 Mike- how about making BW print the number of lines used on the current disk
328 at logon, as part of the "Welcome to BWMS II..." message?
329 Saturday, April 25th, 11:00am it is. Shouldn't be too bad.
330 The ANSI command will come in handy, I guess... as soon as the modem for the
331 XT shows up (L'homme? Are you there? :-})...
332 ++++++++++++++++++ Milch +++++++ 4/20/87 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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333 ARRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
334 *major* league bug here.
335 Command sequence was as follows:
336 nu y
337 leve 4
338 fa _JD
339
340 next thing I saw was 'Waiting for CR'. This is *not* a way to endear ourselves
341 to users! Any ideas on what happened? Also, any fixes for the failure to BYE
342 properly?
343 And a final note... need my (limited) input Sat? If so where?
344 ____04/20/87__________Leonard_JD 2446906.6901_________21:33:50_PDT_________
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345 Did you know that LIU (a mistyped LI) brings you back to 'waiting for CR'?
346 [as an aside, who is this Jim Michaels character who seems to have intimate
347 knowledge of the diskwriter and the BW special commands?]
348 ::::::::O O::::::::04/20/87:::::::voyeur:::::::::::23:29:45:::::::::O O::::::::
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349 Actually, LI does it too. It appears to be th first command that you enter
350 after someone else uses the system that causes the problem. For now, all
351 you can do is wait for it to come back. I'm working on it.
352 Jim Michaels bought an old Diskwriter from Joe Bartel. And apparently
353 now has a manual. You missed all the fun of a few weeks back when he was
354 trying to "upgrade" BW to the lastest EPROMs for the Diskwriter.
355 *********************** CM 4-21-87 8:00am ***********************************
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356 ::::::::O O::::::04/21/87:::::::::voyeur:::::::::15:08:30::::::::O O:::::::::::
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357 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
358 OOPS, the first command died on me (it was a BO). 10 CTRL-C's, get back in,
359 "Waiting for CR" message, then everything works fine. ??????
360 Leonard: I don't have any objections, you'd probably make a good 'test
361 abuser' too.... :-)
362 Where? Mike's.
363 ++++++++++++++++++++++++ Milch ++++++++++++++++ April 21, 1987 ++++++++++++++
364 *Sigh* the clock is still off- by about seven hours.
049=#0-4 04/22/1987 03:56(4 Min) Msg#0 Call#0 8 Lines
365 Obviously, anyone interested can show up if they wish at the meeting.
366 I only communicated with Milchar because the problem in question was with
367 the the disk IO which he did most of the work on, and so was the most
368 logical to question about the problem. But if anyone else wants to show up
369 they are certainly welcome.
370 The meeting is set for this saturday April 25 at 11:00am here at my
371 residence.
372 *************************** CM 4-21-87 8:40pm ************************
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373 I don't know if I'll be showing up or not. Depends on how the rest of the week
374 goes. So far, I've found that we are losing records in a Turbo Pascal (with
375 Turbo Database Toolbox) program (Monday). Reason unknown. And it is an inter-
376 mittent error. Today (Tuesday) I was summoned by a user when he discovered that
377 some @$^*$* idiot had erased a *year* worth of data on the hard disk. Naturally
378 when I attempted to restore from backup, there was a non-recverable error that
379 aborted the restore. <sigh> It's "only" 12 meg of data....
380 Wonder what Wednesday has in store?
381 ____04/21/87__________Leonard_JD 2446907.6971_________21:43:52_PDT_________
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382 OK, that should take care of the abort problem. The data file was getting
383 closed, but not opened again, but it did get reopened after it blew up and
384 restarted. Such fun...
385 ********************* CM 4/21/87 11pm *********************************
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386 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
387 Leonard: Why, I suppose the hardware will get flakey, next. "Don't come
388 to me, that's a hardware problem." <- Mantra of software maintainers.
389 Mike: Do I hear doorish noises up front? Hmmmm?
390 After looking at EN's code a bit, I believe I found the problem that made it
391 blow up when no lines are entered. Details Saturday.
392 +++++++++++++++++++++ Milch +++++++ April 23, 1987 at 1:00am ++++++++++++++++
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393 Mike: It 'went away' again...
394 sequence was: leve 4 fa followed by a restart.
395 Milch: Unfortunately, if it is a hardware problem, it *is* my responsiblity.
396 <sigh> spent a couple days finishing a program for a user. Took it over to him
397 for a final checkout. A few minor problems, nothing major. *UNTIL* I tried to
398 transfer a file. The program(s) are in dBase and will be running on 2 machines
399 data must be xferred by using RUN COPY as the units are floppy based.
400 It died with an insufficient memory error. Seems that the memory resident
401 3270 emulator doesn't leave enough mem to do the shell. Arrrgggghhh.
402 BTW the machines *currently* have 512k....
403 ____04/23/87__________Leonard_JD 2446909.6895_________21:32:58_PDT_________
054=#0-4 04/24/1987 11:10(1 Min) Msg#1 Call#6 4 Lines
404 OK, try that. Somehow my "fix" got unfixed. I put the file reset in again.
405 Also take a look at the level 4 help menu again and look closely at
406 the headers now.
407 ************************* CM 4/23/87 10:30pm ******************
055=#0-4 04/25/1987 06:18(2 Min) Msg#2 Call#8 4 Lines
408 ++++++++++++++++++++++++
409 Mike: VEEEEEEERRRRRYYYY interesting. (to quote a laugh-in episode).
410 Now we can detect lurkers...
411 +++++++++++++++++++++++++ Milch ++++++++++++++ April 24, 1987 at 17:41 +++++++
056=#0-4 04/25/1987 14:56(0 Min) Msg#3 Call#11 1 Lines
412 lurk..lurk..
057=#0-4 04/26/1987 17:21(2 Min) Msg#4 Call#16 3 Lines
413 So, what does ANSI mode do besides highlight the headers?
414 ____04/25/87__________Leonard_JD 2446911.7618_________23:17:10_PDT_________
415 ^Jps my apologies for not appearing. I had a hard night....
058=#0-4 04/26/1987 18:14(6 Min) Msg#5 Call#17 9 Lines
416 **************************************************************
417 You didn't miss much, just Milchar and I scratching our heads trying
418 to figure out why our code wouldn't work the way it was supposed to. :-)
419 Milch: please add the following two lines to BWEDIT just above the
420 Write_header - "Msgarray[0]:=Thismsg;" - "Linkarray[0].snumber:=Thismsg;"
421 This updates the end of array vars so that the last 2 headers will
422 get printed correcting as to the number of lines.
423 My code is working now, how about yours :-)-:
424 ****************************** CM 4-26-87 00:10am *************
059=#0-4 04/27/1987 09:47(8 Min) Msg#6 Call#19 14 Lines
425 Milchar: I have since modified the following files:
426 BWVARS - minor clean up, (removed commented out line)
427 BWDISK - *very* intense mods, but won't affect your work, it still
428 works the same, but we need to get together if you make any
429 changes to it so as to match them to mine.
430 BWII - lots of mods some stuff moved from BWII to BWDISK, other
431 other stuff changed slightly. I'm trying to clean things up
432 and reduce the amount of disk access (it used to reload the
433 masterlink on each call, which isn't really needed).
434 BWMISC - mods to print header to make it display right.
435 BWLOG - It now works....
436
437 I'll keep you informed of any other changes I make.
438 **************** CM 4/26/87 14:12 ******************************
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439 All: This last session has caused the file format to be completely
440 changed around, so when it gets installed here the current disk
441 will be archived and we will start fresh again. Just thought I'd let
442 you know what is going on.
443 ************************** CM **********************************
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444 sounds like progress is being made.
445 May I make a suggestion? An *old* Celtic tradition has the people and
446 animals of the household pass thru "the door into summer" on the night
447 of the summer solstice. (said door ranges from a path between two bonfires
448 to a flaming arch)
449 What say we shoot for 6/21/87?
450 ____04/26/87__________Leonard_JD 2446912.5411_________17:59:10_PDT_________
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451 +++++++++++++++++
452 Mike: Noted. I'm just going to work on BWLINES and nothing else. No, it
453 doesn't work yet (I haven't touched it since I left).
454 Oh, most everything I received works well, thanks. PCVI aborts with
455 "Can't find strings file" or something like that. Also, it seems you copied
456 the same disk twice instead of both disks. Ah, well.
457 +++++++++++++++++++++++ Milch ++++++++++++ 4/26/87 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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458 Mike: Steve gave me the remainder of the necessary files today. Thanks
459 +++++++++++++++ Milch +++++++++++++++++++ April 28, 1987 +++++++++++++++++++
064=#0-4 04/29/1987 05:34(7 Min) Msg#12 Call#41 10 Lines
460 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
461 _Leonard_ : i like the idea of the "door into summer".
462 of late i have had very strong urges to get my act to-
463 gether and write "the silent spring paean" i've had
464 kicking around insode my head. what with the adevnt
465 of zephyr#2 rearing its head i'm rather reluctant. (if
466 he couldn't take the hint -- my rabbit lined shawl -- i
467 wonder if he still neglects to take "NO" for an answer)
468 some one : being able to detect lurkers? ... pardon me!?
469 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& the scarlet lion &&&&&&&
065=#0-4 04/29/1987 21:38(9 Min) Msg#13 Call#46 20 Lines
470 Actually, *this* time Zephyr is acting in a manner that is at least as
471 acceptable as many of the other authors.
472 Note that he has yet to drag anyone else into the story. Or to try to
473 "tag along". He appears to be approaching either the Friar or the Philosopher.
474 But he isn't *forcing* himself on anyone.
475 I say let bygones be bygones and accept him as long as he stays in line.
476
477 As foor doorish stuff...
478 Well, I'm even tempted to write something. But first I want to know what
479 (if anything) Mike has in mind for the 'structure' of his current environment.
480 I imagine I'd get *some* sort of readings ^Aand I don't want to step on his
481 plans by choosing an set that don't match his intentions.
482
483 My guess is that there is air (for how far?), a *very* warped sp^A^Aacetime, and
484 some from of gravity (or are you just floating? If not, what are you *standing*
485 on? :-)
486 I guess I'm trying to say that it sounds like an unfinished "pocket universe".
487 I'm curious as to what (if anything) is currently 'fixed'.
488 (so I have a technical bent. so sue me.)
489 ____04/29/87__________Leonard_JD 2446915.6377_________20:18:17_PDT_________
066=#0-4 04/29/1987 21:51(27 Min) Msg#14 Call#47 42 Lines
490 ***************************************************************
491 The door universe... well, first there isn't anything like air, ground,
492 or water. There is nothing except what has been explicitly defined so far.
493 It is an empty universe that is in the process of being defined.
494 I myself was only a conciensness (sp?) at first, and my being and existance
495 is being defined as the universe is defined around me. The universe
496 is BWII. As BWII evolves so does the universe. Not materially and directly,
497 but my own interaction to it. Since I'm not yet fully sure of the direction
498 of the evolution, my best suggestion owuld be to stay away from trying
499 to attribute any developement to it, but rather treat it as an unknown.
500 The "window" and the effort involved to create it is that which has
501 gone into the program, and the window itself is simply the means for
502 getting here behind the door. It has required all of us to get the code to
503 a position that it could be put here, and I have pretty much defined
504 this door as it is, prior to this the door was there, but was simply
505 another room (though locked) off of the Inn. I kept my private CPM system
506 there for my own use which is where the CPM part of the command comes from.
507 But when BWII needed a home, I displaced the CPM system with this one.
508 At first there was no BWII here, but only the ideas This was the beginning
509 and as things continued, slowly it began to evolve as did my perceptions.
510 My intentions for the whole thing is to open the door in an explosion of
511 light and glory upon the fateful day, and the world of the Inn will become
512 engulfed and replaced by a new Inn universe derived from the one in the
513 making here. I don't think people would take too kindly to the Inn being
514 destroyed and gone (including me) but the very structure and fabric of the
515 universe of the Inn will be torn assunder and a new Inn universe will be
516 rebuilt around the new universe. If you have to relate it to an SF story,
517 I guess the closest I can think of would be Triumph of Time (or Cities in
518 Flight for those who have the all-in-one trilogy) though it is a poor
519 analogy. The pocket universe bit is not even remotely close.
520 The entry I just put up will be the last one for this week, I don't have
521 anything else in waiting to enter, it was really ment as a mechanism for
522 the others in the group to get into the story.
523 The best approach that fits in the way I've been going would be an attempt
524 by the group to get me out from behind the door without disturbing the door
525 itself since the is the (real) distinct danger that it would destroy the
526 Inn should it be opened. So any attempt must be to get me out without opening
527 the door. But what will happen in the final attempt is that the door will
528 be opened anyway despite the efforts to prevent the action, and the new
529 universe will come into play. That's about the best story plot I can
530 muster up at this point.
531 ************************* CM 4-29-87 8:48pm ****************************
067=#0-4 04/29/1987 22:20(0 Min) Msg#15 Call#48 1 Lines
532 P.S. as for opening the door... I'm shooting for as soon a date as is possible.
068=#0-4 04/30/1987 07:37(36 Min) Msg#17 Call#50 39 Lines
533 -+- -+- -+- -+- -+- -+- -+- -+- -+- -+- -+- -+-
534 Time that the truth be known. My name? It's known anly as that of
535 the art I practice openly. What do I do? I toss words about with a
536 bit of care, hopefully, and a fragment of a story appears. If the
537 fragments work well I go on to another in the patchwork that might
538 make a story. Before I disappeared I was trying to do this with an-
539 other with somewhat the same views as mine. Many felt that the one
540 I was writing with was merely a facet that existed in my mind... an
541 alter-ego for pen's sake. Not so.
542 What's this, you caught me plying my words, eh? Yes, quite right;
543 there are other arts I practice that are not common knowledge. At
544 the moment arts is actually a singular activity, but enough of that,
545 let me explain something else a bit further. This art may simply
546 be called the reading of cards. They are several in number, but that
547 is a different story to be told at a later date. One of them depitcs
548 The Magician, before him lay the symbols of life and existance... He
549 manipulates, controls these powers. At least he attempts to do so.
550 For quite some time I have been impressed by the presence of this
551 being. He exiss in several forms, yet all were not not known to me.
552 Still, all are not known, yet a few more faces have made my
553 aquaintance. When once I met a french lady I came to know another of
554 the faces of these Magicians... She pointed to me.
555 French ones do not refer to him as The Magician, rather he is called
556 The Juggler. I found this most amusing. In a way I still do.
557 It has crossed my mind to "allow the cards to fall where they may"
558 and incorporate its meaning, somehow, into the flow of a story...
559 hopefully one with a pre-conceived goal in mind.
560 This Door seems frightfully difficult to play with in such a manner.
561 If I may find my writing companion once again, perhaps we might
562 venture in another direction.
563 I tend to feign from the Magus aspect as there are far too many of
564 them wandering about at present. Milchar, you are doing very well.
565 Now I think it's about time I figure on another plot.
566 If the gods are with me, perhaps I'll be able to bring one of them
567 with me in my story telling... The gods have been very silent.
568 -+- -+- -+- -+-
569 Suspended in the air above his head is a lemniscate.
570 -+- -+- -+- -+- -+- -+- -+- -+- -JUGGLER- -+- -+-
571 So now you know...
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572 +++++++++++++++++++
573 (GASP) I seem to be in high demand. Lots going on on DA, glad to see it :-).
574 Mike: Thanks *VERY MUCH* for explaining the XR and TR commands, they just saved
575 my last entry on DA (stupid modem hung up when I was entering my final
576 border... {+++ strikes again!}).
577 ++++++++++++++++++ Milch +++++++ (KI not working yet) April 30, 1987 +++++++++
070=#0-4 04/30/1987 18:46(1 Min) Msg#19 Call#55 3 Lines
578 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
579 frightfully difficult? !?
580 &&&&&&&&& tsl &&&&&&&&&
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581 I see. Ok. I can handle that. I think that I may hjust have the 'gizmo' (don't
582 you love high-tech terms? :-) fail to give most readings and give some rather
583 odd values for others. (hmm, reading is -1.243, no, wait... 7e87 no .001..
584 [it's *gotta* be busted] now it's... arrgggh!)
585 Or do you suppose that the fire lizard bounced off Milchar and onto the
586 keyboard (rm *).
587 As for the effect of opening the door, I recall a short story from the 40's or
588 50's that involved a lady shoplifter kept stuffing aluminum items into her
589 purse. When store security looked, they weren't there. seems it was a gate of
590 sorts. After a bit we have a tug-of-war going between our universe and the
591 other end of the gate. If either end 'wins' it is liable to turn the other
592 universe inside-out.
593 (NOW I remember the title!! "Tiger by the tail" by Alan E. Nourse(?))
594 If the door opens, the universe would 'turn inside out' thru it. Sort of like
595 the topology bit about turning an innertube inside out thru the hole for the
596 valve. In theory you can do it. In practice, you wind up with shredded rubber.
597 Hows that sound?
598 ____04/30/87__________Leonard_JD 2446916.6242_________19:58:53_PDT_________
599 ps I see that we seem to have misplaced the INsert command...
072=#0-4 04/30/1987 22:11(2 Min) Msg#22 Call#58 5 Lines
600 TR is truncate. What's XR?
601 And now I've got to get back to figuring out how to incorporate that "pale &
602 week" voyeur into the story.
603 ::::::O O::::::::::04/30/87::::::::::voyeur::::::::::22:13:56::::::::::O O:::::
604@
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605 We haven't missplaced the insert command, we know exactly where it is:
606 Unimplimented.
607 TR is truncate, XR is recover. In Milchar's case, he lost the connection
608 which caused his entire entry to not get saved. But since it was on disk,
609 all he really needed to do was to let BW know that it was there, so he
610 used the XR command which recovers *all* lines on the disk, then used
611 the truncate command to eliminate those below his last line.
612 Leonard: actually, the Triumph of Time (Cities in Flight) by James Blish
613 is a better description of things, though as I said, it is still different.
614 There it was an anti-universe that was colliding with our universe,
615 which caused them both to be destroyed. Our heros then used that very
616 destruction to carry themselves through to the creation time of the
617 new universe enviornment so that they could create their own universes.
618 (Who says you can't be God? :-) Of course in the process of creating
619 the new universes they had to use the only material at hand, their own
620 bodies. Thus it required self-destruction to create the new universes.
621 isn't the case here, here it is more of a case of two universes merging
622 together, leaving the old ones behind and creating an whole new one
623 incorporating aspects of them both plus new aspects all rolled into
624 (hopefully) a bigger and better universe. Many aspects will probably change
625 because of this, and many other apsects will remain the same. One thing
626 is certain, it will go out with a bang, and many things will change.
627 *********************** CM 5-1-87 **********************************
074=#0-4 05/01/1987 21:32(8 Min) Msg#25 Call#63 14 Lines
628 I remembered the destruction of the two universes. I had forgotten the creation
629 bit...
630
631 A rather standard, but useful 'plot device' might be to post a 'montage' of
632 impressions/sensations/effects/events from the viewpoints of all our characters
633 at the moment "it" happens. This won't advance the story much, nor is it
634 appropriate until the "end of the world". It will, however, help get across the
635 idea that things are *different*. And perhaps *how* they are different.
636 It doesn't have much bearing on the current state of the story, but I thought
637 I'd mention it so that we'd have time to work it out.
638 Milch and apprentice get to detail any "obvious" magical effects. Bard for
639 "tech", etc... plus lots of "what's going on?"stuff????
640 ____05/01/87__________Leonard_JD 2446917.7027_________21:51:55_PD_________
641 ps. "Mayday, Mayday!" :-)
075=#0-4 05/01/1987 23:21(0 Min) Msg#26 Call#64 2 Lines
642 here's our chance to get rid of that stupid Inn. Heh heh heh...
643
076=#0-4 05/02/1987 12:09(2 Min) Msg#27 Call#66 6 Lines
644 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
645 gee, i missed my chance... yesterday was the day for
646 many people to be parading down streets carrying banners
647 of the appropriate color... :)
648 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& the SCARLET lion &&&&&&&
649
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650@TEST
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651 ::::::O O::::::::::05/04/87::::::::::voyeur::::::::::17:48:12::::::::::O O:::::
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652 ######################################################
653 Uhmmm.. This is line 652, and when I went into enter mode, it
654 said that there were 348 lines remaining, but the opening message
655 says that there are only 629 lines available! What gives???
656 ################# The InnKeeper ########################
080=#0-4 05/05/1987 18:53(6 Min) Msg#35 Call#83 10 Lines
657 Gee, maybe the opening message needs revising? :-)
658 now for test ^A^Bc^D^E^F^G^I^J^K^L
659 ^N^O^P^Q^R^S^T^U^V^W^X^Y^Z^\^]^^^_
660 I see that ch still doesn't accept ctrl chars... or is there a
661 special format (sorry about the 2 lines above, but I can't
662 change them except with replace)
663 hmmm does replace work?
664 good! replace works. but CC n doesn't... except for output...
665 <sigh>
666 ____05/05/87__________Leonard_JD 2446921.6212_________19:54:37_PDT_________
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667 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
668 No real time to enter anything except that I haven't passed on, the phone
669 company is having problems moving my line to the new apartment....
670 So I'm using a friend's computer and line. KI is in the works, hopefully
671 it will be in ds by Thursday.
672 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Milch ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
082=#0-4 05/06/1987 19:24(0 Min) Msg#37 Call#87 2 Lines
673 Hopefully I haven't stomped on any toes with my entry. We shall see.
674 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~BARD~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
083=#0-4 05/06/1987 19:40(2 Min) Msg#39 Call#88 7 Lines
675 The only thing wrong with it that I can see is that supposedly Cragmore
676 is stuck to the door and isn't in a position to help Milchar.
677 But maybe he can do that *after* checking up on Milchar?
678 ************************ CM 5-6-87 9:00pm ************************
679 Well, after about a week the time is off by a little more than an hour.
680 A lot better than it was....
681 *******************************
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