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LI FILE ON MARGIN IS 80 STATUS: ENTER ONLY NUMBER OF LINES: 588 1 If you are in need of help, you need but ask.... 2 ******************** REMOVED: 9 AUG 84 ********************* 3 Welcome to BWMS (BackWater Message System) Mike Day System operator 4 ************************************************************ 5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION PLACED ON 6 THIS SYSTEM. 7 BWMS was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS is a privately owned 8 and operated system which is currently open for use by the general public. 9 No restrictions are placed on the use of the system. As the system is 10 privately owned, I retain the right to remove any and all messages which 11 I may find offensive. Because of the limited size of the system, it will be 12 periodically purged of messages. (only 629 lines of data can be saved) 13 To leave a message, type 'ENTER' and use ctrl/C or break to get out of the 14 ENTER mode. The message is automatically stored. If after entering the 15 message you find you made a mistake, use the replace command to replace 16 the line. To exit from the system, type 'OFF' then hang up. 17 Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system. 18 ************************************************************ 19 20 What?! No one caught my little joke about Abby Hoffman's 'Steal This Book'? 21 I'm really disappointed! Then again, maybe it is too old for you. It does 22 date me I suppose, but I would have thought someone would have caught it. 23 *************************** CISTOP MIKEY *********************************** 24 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/ 25 Well, with crappy modem the only one working, this has to be 26 MUST read them. i will leave them up till next risk. 27 Voyeur: thanks for the info, it shows what i thought it 28 would show. 29 Mikey:i know who abby hofman was, but am too young to get 30 31 the reference. 32 MiG 33 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 34 ,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;, 35 So, whats up in the land of Backwater? 36 Last time I was on, there were a few debates going, what become of them? 37 Ok, so things are slowing down here, thats ok, it's just part of being British. 38 So, what could spark a conversation here. in the past you could do it by 39 entering in a few bad words and an insult and you'r in business. Well, 40 I'm not going to do that at all. If anyone reading this would like to start 41 up a conversation tell me. 42 ,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;,;, 43 \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ 44 45 With everybody probably already boored to tears with the Olympics, I'd 46 still like to put in my two cents' worth about the TV coverage by ABC. 47 On the negative side, as so many others have already stated, ABC has 48 put more emphasis on American efforts and flag-waving than on balanced 49 coverage of outstanding athletic efforts irrespective of the national 50 origin of the athletes involved. To counter this, most of the outstanding 51 performances, and I say 'most' knowing that the oversimplification will 52 get me into a lot of trouble, have been by American atheletes, or involed 53 American atheletes. However, by reading the newspapers, there seems to 54 have been other nations competing 55 at the Olympics this year! 56 Politics and commercialism seem to be playing a bigger part of the 57 Games this year than ever before. Perhaps the spirit of the Games should 58 be officially changed (as well as the rules) to reflect the true state 59 of the world rather than an ideal that has outlasted its time. It seems 60 that there is really no such thing as an 'amatuer' athelete in the sense 61 that the founders of the Olympic movement saw an amatuer. There are a 62 lot of 'professional' atheletes that really should be in these Games 63 because they are the best in the world at something the do. The East 64 Bloc atheletes as well as MOST U.S. boxers who are members of the 65 WELL, FOLKS, I THINK IT'S TIME TO GET SOME SERIOUS DEBATING 66 GOING. SINCE FRANK HAS DISCOVERED SUNDAY TRADER (WHERE 67 I UNDERSTAND HE IS QUITE COMF- 68 ORTABLE) AND MIG DOESN'T HAVE ANY 69 JUVIES TO HUNT (THE LAST HOWEVER MANY LINES ON DISC B WERE SOME 70 SORT OF CP/M INSTRUCTIONS, NO) 71 THEN I GUESS I WILL TAKE THE BALL. I SUBMIT THAT THE FEDERAL 72 GOVERNMENT IMPOSE A 15% TAX ON UNEMPLOYMENT COMPENSATION BENE- 73 FITS, WELFARE, SOCIAL SECURITY AND WORKERS COMPENSATION BENEFITS 74 THIS MONEY WOULD BE USED TO HIRE SQUADS OF RUSSIAN SOLDIERS TO 75 INVADE AMERICA AND GO FROM DOOR TO DOOR, AND KILL ALL OF THE PUPPIES AND KITTENS THAT BELONG 76 TO LITTLE CHILDREN ALL ACROSS AMERICA. COMMENTS? 77 V 78 V5V 79 VVVVV 80 WASSIR: I SEE WHAT YOU MEANT ABOUT GETTING EVEN. WAS IT REALLY 81 NECESSARY TO BLOW UP THE LITTLE TRAWLER THAT WASN'T EVEN MINE? 82 NOW I OWE MY GREEK FRIEND A LOT OF MONEY. SHEESH. WELL, FUN IS 83 FUN. YOU MIGHT TAKE SOME SATISFACTION IN KNOWING I SPENT 84 A LOT OF HOURS IN THE WATER 'TILL I WAS RESCUED. YOU KLUTZ. 85 I MUST ADMIT I AM IMPRESSED. A THREE MILLION DOLLAR FLOATING 86 PALACE IS OF "MINOR IMPORTANCE?" 87 IF IT WEREN'T FOR MY IDEOLOGY, I MIGHT GO TO WORK FOR YOU. BUT NOT IF YOU INTEND TO MERGE WITH 88 MCKANE. I HAVE COPIES OF SOME FILES I'D LIKE YOU TO TAKE A LOOK 89 AT. SO-HOW 'BOUT THAT CAFE IN PALERMO? EOM. DELTA FIVE 90 DREAMTOUCHER CALL LYSIAS 91 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 92 Delta Five; 93 Sorry about the trawler, a little problem with an itchy trigger 94 finger. You can rest assured the culprit has been serverely dealt with. 95 As for the meeting, Palermo isn't my cup of tea. Shall we say the 96 Lavender Parrot in Bizerte, Tunisia at about noon on Thursday? 97 Mohammed 98 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 99 100 Dear Ms. Pam 101 We regret to inform you, Dr. Frankenstupe has been committed to the 102 State Hospital for the Criminally Insane. He was discovered nude, sitting 103 on the mayor's desk in the city council chambers. He was singing 'Moon 104 River' at the time. Unfortunately, the city council was in session at the 105 time. Mr. Ivancie was quite upset and claimed Dr. Frankenstupe was an 106 agent in the employ of Bud Clark. Whoop. Whoop. 107 108 We would like to bring to your attention the bill for the care and feeding 109 of this er... thing. As they were putting the straight-jacket on poor 110 Dr. Frankenstupe, he told us it belonged to you. We would appreciate it 111 if you would make arrangements to take possession as rapidly as possible. 112 We are running critically low on Wizard Air Freshener. The total bill for 113 damages and maintenance is $37,846.91. 114 115 Thank you in advance for your prompt attention to this matter. 116 117 Herman M. Pinkstaff 118 Attorney-at-Law 119 Pinkstaff, Wassir, and Pedro Assoc. 120 121 P.S. Please bring a large net when you come to pick up thing. 122 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 123 124 ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? 125 T H E S Y S T E M S A N A L Y S T F I N A LE X A M I N A T I O N 126 *time limit is 4 hours* 127 HISTORY: Describe the history of the Papacy from its origins to the present day, concentrating especially 128 (but not exclusively) on its social, political, economic, religious and philosophical impact on Europe, 129 Asia, America and Africa. Be brief, concise, and specific. 130 131 MEDICINE: Using only a razor blade, a piece of gauze and a bottle of Scotch, remove your appendix. 132 Do not suture until your work has been inspected. 133 134 PUBLIC 2500 riot-crazed aborigines are storming your flat. Calm them. 135 SPEAKING: You may use any ancient language except Latin or Greek. 136 137 BIOLOGY: Create life. Estimate the differences in subsequent human development if your form had developed 138 500 million years earlier, with special attention to its probable effect on the English parlimentary system. 139 Prove your thesis. 140 141 MUSIC: Write a piano concerto. Orchestrate and perform it with flute and drum. 142 143 PSYCHOLOGY: Based on your knowledge of their works, evaluate the emotional stability, degree of adjustment and 144 repressed frustrations of each of the following: Rameses II, Nicholas of Cusa and Hammurabi. 145 Support your evaluation with quotations from each man's work, making appropriate references. 146 It is not necessary to translate. 147 148 SOCIOLOGY: Estimate the sociological problems which might accompany the end of the world. 149 Construct an experiment to test your theory. 150 151 ENGINEERING: Using commonly available materials and tools, build whatever mechanism you feel is appropriate to dealing 152 with a hungry Bengal tiger in your living room (deduct 10 points if you have to use the attached Swahili 153 language manual for making a high-powered rifle from defective paper clips). 154 Be prepared to justify your decision. 155 156 ECONOMICS: Develop a realistic plan for refinancing the national debt. Trace the possible effects of your plan in 157 the following areas: Cubism, the Donatist controversy and the wave theory of light. Outline a method for 158 mitigating these effects. Criticize this method from all possible points of view. 159 160 POLITICAL Assuming a Red Telephone at your side, start World War III. 161 SCIENCE: Discuss at length its socio-political repercussions (if any). 162 163 EPISTEMOLOGY: Take a position for or against truth. Prove the validity of your stand. 164 165 PHYSICS: Explicate the nature of matter. Include in your answer an 166 evaluation of the impact of the development of mathematics on science. 167 168 PHILOSOPHY: Sketch the development of human thought, and estimate its significance. 169 Compare with the development of any other kind of thought. 170 171 GENERAL: Describe in detail. Be objective and specific. 172 173 ?????????????????????????????????? QUIZMASTER ?????????????????????????????????? 174 DELTA FIVE. THE MESSAGE YOU RECIEVED ABOUT THE MEETING IN 175 TUNISIA IS NOT FROM WASSIR. YOU ARE BEING SET UP.I HAVE REASON 176 TO BELIEVE THE NET IS RESPONSIBLE.THIS IS PROBABLY AN 177 ATTEMPT TO GET YOUR FILES.I TOO AM A FORMER MCKANE OPERATIVE. 178 LISTEN ON 14.220 MC FOR CODED MESSAGE. KEY IS LAST TWO WORDS 179 OF STATEMENT ABOUT ERASTHONESE. I WOULD LIKE TO JOIN FORCES.ALPHA NINE. 180 STRIKE IN THE NIGHT :OMEGA SIX 181 ^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^ 182 183 \\\\\\\ - What about the boxers ? You were trampled upon, it would 184 appear. 185 186 000001TED - Have you not considered the possibility that I have been 187 in the position that you describe ? For shame. I do 188 not advocate a war for economic purposes, I merely pointed 189 out that there appears to be an economic reason for 190 conventional wars. 191 192 MIKEY - 1. Yes, I caught it, and thought it was quite funny. I 193 could not think of an appropriate comeback. 194 2. This country, and the world, has been in a aggressive 195 growth period since WWII. The post war booms have been 196 marred somewhat by recession, but never to the point where 197 we have gone back to life before the wars. I currently work 198 about 3 minutes to buy a loaf of bread. Prior to the Viet 199 Nam War, my father worked about 9 minutes for a loaf. That 200 is economic progress. 201 (This measuring system is the most rational method of com- 202 paring apples to oranges across international or temporal 203 boundaries) 204 205 L'homme - Thank you. I agree that BWMS has always been a civilized 206 board, and I would like to see it that way always. 207 208 MIKEY - 3. Today marks the first anniversary of my attending this 209 forum. (In an alter ego, of course) Thanks for the fun, 210 although I just read the fantasy stuff, not being gifted with 211 the skill to write such. 212 213 ^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^ Laissez-faire ^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$ 214 215 216 I agree about ABC's coverage of the Olympics. They hardly ever show an ev 217 ent that we are not going to win a medal 218 in. Did anybody see the fencing? 219 220 Being a new user I would like to know 221 what all this spy business is. Could somebody please explain. 222 223 Sincerely, 224 225 James Bolivar DiGriz 226 THE FOGS ROLLED IN OVER LONDON STREETS. THE LAST DROPS BARELY HAD CEASED FALING WHILE MILORDS STOLEN COACH CAME TO A STOP 227 A TERRIFIED MAN FLEW FROM THE COACHMAN'S SEAT AND RAN STILL TO TALL GATES OF THE MORRISON ST. CEMETARY. HE YELLED FOR THE 228 CARETAKER,HE SCREAMED FOR A LOST SOUL IF THE CARETAKEWOULDN'T ANSWER. 229 A CRY FROM AN OLD SHED WITH A DOZEN OR SO SPADES,AND SHOVELS LAIN ASIDE IT'S WALLS SAID "EH, WHAT?!? JUST A MINUTE THEN !" 230 IT WAS AN ELDERLY MALE AND THE TERRIFIED MAN STILL THOUGHT THE MAN WOULD NOT COME. NIGHTMARISH THOUGHTS THEY MAY BE BUT HE 231 COULD NOT HELP JOKING OF THE OLD CARETAKER NOT SURVIVNG THE RUN FROM THE SHED TO THE GATES. 232 sTILL THE ELDERLY COCKNEY MADE TO THE GATES WITH THE KEYS. AT FIRST HE REFUSED TO HAND THEM TO THE TERRIFIED FELLOW UNTIL HE 233 SAW THE SCAR ON HIS NECK. 234 "NIGHTMARE !"tHE ELDERLY MAN'S TRUE,EVIL VOICE DOMINATED THE OLD WEAK FOOL WHOSE SOUL HE HAD STOLEN EARLIER. tHE BEAST SMI- 235 LED FOR HE KNEW WHERE HIS FREIND WAS. AND WOULD REPAY FAVOURS WELL REMEMBERED FROM LONG IN THE PAST. 236 237 AT THAT MOMENT THE FIRST,FAINT SOUNDS OF HORSESHOES ON COBBLED STREETS STARTED REMINDING THE TERRIFIED MAN(WHO WAS NEITHER) 238 OF THE DAAGHAREES. 239 THE CULTISTS OF EHRIIHN 240 E F F E R N N ! 241 242 FROM HAWTHORNE : THE DESIGNEX 243 i AM AS YOU'VE GUESSED BACK. 244 ASSORTED MSSAGES FOLLOW: 245 RISKERS: NEVER LOST A GAME... 246 MIKEY: wOULD PAM HAVE MADE A SLIGHT APPEARENCE OF LATE ? 247 DREAMTOUCHER: I HAVE TALES TO TELL OF (MIS) ADVENTURES IN ALL AND EVERYONE'S FAVOURITE TEMPLE. AND I WISH TO SPEAK RATHER 248 SPECIFICALLY THOUGH OF COLLARS FOUNDATIONS PLASTIIC AND DEMISE OF MCKANE. 249 QUIZMASTER:ALL GENERALIZATIONS ARE FALS. 250 IN GENERAL I'M PLEASED TO GET BACK AT MY WORK AND BLACKWATERS. PORTLAND'S NICE. PROMETHEUS. 251 RISK RISK RISK RISK RISK RISK RISK RISK RISK RISK 252 PRO- OR SHOULD I SAY AMATEUR, YOU MUST NEVER HAVE PLAYED EVEN ONE GAME ! 253 RISK RISK RISK RISK RISK RISK RISK RISK RISK RISK 254 255 _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._ 256 Has anybody ever really seen... 257 258 A dunce cap, or a burglar wearing a "Lone Ranger" mask, or someone throwning 259 an old shoe at a cat ona fence, or a newsboy yelling "EXTRA EXTRA! READ ALL 260 ABOUT IT!", or a magician that said "Abra Cadabra", or a hobo with all his 261 belongings tied to the end of a stick, or an indian that ever said "How!" or 262 "UGH!", or a jug of whisky with "XXX" marked on it, or a lady flirting with 263 a man by droping her handkerchief, or a safe falling from a high window, or a 264 salesman put his foot in a door, or two drunks staggering up the street 265 singing "Sweet Adeline", or a St. Bernard with a keg of brandy, or a billy 266 goat eating a tin can, or the "Life of the party" wearing a lampshade on his 267 head, or a kid getting his mouth washed out with soap, or a man drink champagne 268 from a lady's shoe, or "Stars" when you're hit on the head, or a wife waiting 269 for her husband with a rolling pin, or a reporter with "Press" card stuck in 270 his hat band, or a sentance longer than this one? 271 272 Well, that just about does it for now. 273 _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._ 274 275 In answer to the above: Yes, and anyone who grew up during the depression and 276 prohibition such as I did would have seen many of the above (accepting the stars 277 , champagne out of shoe, etc.). 278 I have personally seen: the shoe and cat, the "EXTRA EXTRA!" newsboy, the magi- 279 cian, the hobo, the jug of whiskey, the salesman's foot, the drunks, a safe 280 being raised up to a window from the outside (though luckily I never saw one 281 fall), and the hat with the press card. Who cares, right? 282 283 Mikey,Mig,Wassir,etc. 284 285 Would somebody please explain this 286 spy/adventure stuff to me. I am very interested. I am also interested in the 287 risk games that are going on. Also I 288 would like to know if there is anyone who plays Avalon Hill games,such as Panzer Leader or Squad Leader. 289 290 Sincerely, 291 292 James Bolivar DiGriz 293 294 AND YOU THOUGHT IT WAS BROKEN.......... 295 HUMFREY 296 297 &*$#&%)&#%)@#%_@#%_(#%_@#+%@#*%(%+#(%+!#%+%_@#*%_+%%*_#(%!#(%!#(%_!#(%_!%_#%___ 298 MEL EATS 299 300 At least that's what the sign said. 301 "Shouldn't that be Mel's Eats?", asked Joshua in mock seriousness. "Just 302 josh'in.", he continued. 303 "Cute.", I replied aloud, and then to myself, "Just what I need, a comic 304 for a partner." 305 I gave the car the STOP command, and it promptly pulled over to 306 the side of the road outside the rustic looking roadside cafe. With a 307 swoosh of compressed air, the doors opened, and Joshua and I stepped onto 308 the gravel shoulder of the road. 309 "A real do-drop-in, don't you think?", I asked Joshua, as we stepped 310 up to the cafe's porch. As I reached for the door it opened for me. The 311 person behind door was the mysterious lady from the meeting! She started 312 walking for the car, and we, still in a slight state of shock, followed 313 behind her. 314 As the still-unnamed lady approached the car, the passenger door 315 opened on its own accord. Pushing the seat forward, she jumped in to the 316 backseat, and returned the seat to its former position. Joshua and I 317 got in the car, and the doors automatically closed. 318 Before we could speak, she answered our questions in a heavy mid- 319 western twang. 320 "I am Gaudy Minsky. I am your new partner, and I believe you're going my 321 way. Ian sent me on this mission, so I suggest we get going." 322 Joshua and I looked at each other, and with expressions of surprise, 323 and a slight deflation of our collective male egos, we set off for Portland. 324 In the hours our trip to Portland took, Gaudy related her entire 325 story of the meeting with our illustrious leader Ian, and how he had convinced 326 her to join in our operation against the Rajneeshies in RAINdeer. She turned 327 out to have a pretty interesting story; at least interesting enough to keep 328 Joshua and I from calling Ian immediately and asking why he had sent a women 329 along with us. 330 About 30 miles outside of downtown Portland, the car slowed down to 331 normal traffic speed, 70 MPH, in order to blend in better with the in-going 332 cars. The car was pre-programmed to head to NET - Portland, in order for us 333 to pick up some needed equipment and some clothes more typical of the area. 334 We arrived at the downtown Benson, parked the car using the 11-minute 335 nickel, and entered the building. Gaudy lead the way to the elevator, and when 336 it arrived, punched a series of numbers. There was that falling sensation 337 again! But as before, we slowed to a stop, and the doors opened to reveal a 338 small office staffed by a single secretary, and occupied by several suitcases 339 marked L.J.G. 340 "You must be the RAINdeer contingent.", the secretary said without 341 looking up from her desk. "Those marked bags are for you. Have fun in 342 RAINdeer." 343 We grabbed our bags without saying a word, and entered the elevator. 344 The flight to the lobby only took a few moments, and we were heading for the 345 door when a news broadcast on the TV in the hotel bar caught my attention. 346 A reporter identified as Kathy Hitoranagason was interviewing Ma Prem 347 Rivers, the Rajneesh mouthpiece, and Rivers was doing most of the talking. 348 "Yes. Our festival will not be stopped by the actions of a few insensitive 349 brutes. We will go on undaunted! Damn those who would stop us!" 350 With that last epithet, the picture switched back to the station's 351 newsroom, but we were already too busy heading toward the door with our bags in 352 tow to pay much attention. 353 "We better get there, and get there fast!", I shouted as we dodged 354 taxies and mopeds to get to the car. Throwing our bags in the trunk, we climbed 355 in and started the car. 356 "Autopilot", I said, and as before, the KITT-like panel appeared. The same 357 female voice asked nonchalantly, "destination please?" "RAINdeer Oregon" 358 "Desired time of arrival?" "Now!!!" I shouted, and the car immediately went into 359 motion. We were informed that the timetable given was unobtainable, but the 360 computer would do its best. 361 10 minutes later, we arrived at the outskirts of RAINdeer. Things 362 were pretty desolate in this part of town. Joshua and I looked at Gaudy, and 363 we quickly started to plan our attack. 364 *)*#)%*@#)%*@#)%*@#)%*)!%*)@# L'homme sans parity &*)%#*%)*@)#%*@#)%*@)*%@%*@)# 365 Extra to Mikey : I got the reference too, but not because I know alot about 366 Abby Hoffman. It is because of the Richard Dreyfuss movie, "The Big Fix". 367 In it, it has an Abby-like character who leads the LA Gang of 7, is arrested, 368 goes into hiding, writes a book, and then becomes an ad-man for a NY ad 369 agency. The plot revolves around some bad guys trying to frame the name of 370 the character for some freeway bombs. It was on TV recently in fact. 371 Person with long sentance : The only thing you listed that I had seen before 372 was the sentence itself. Where did you get it? 373 Prometheus : Don't brag about your Risk past. I seem to recall bragging was 374 what got you in trouble before. You haven't played Risk until you have 375 played with the bunch. 376 Riskers : In the name of science, I purchased 2 more bottles of the vile orange 377 stuff to experiment with. If I am able, I will report my findings. Has anyone 378 here seen Altered States? 379 &*%)*%)@#*%)@#*%@#)*%)@#*%@# L'homme sans parity *%)*%)@#*%@#(%_@#(%@*#%*@#_%@% 380 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 381 L'HOMME SANS PARITY, & LAISSE-FAIRE, MY APOLIGIES. L'HOMME, YOU ARE PERFECTLY IN THE RIGHT TO CORRECT MY INEXCUSABLE TONE 382 TOWARDS LAISSE-FAIRE. HOWEVER, ALLOW ME TO OFFER AN EXCUSE. I AM AT THE TENDER AGE OF EIGHTEEN, AND ANY CASUAL DECISIONS THAT 383 REGAN & COMPANY MAY MAKE REGARDING THE MILITARY WILL HAVE A DIRECT EFFECT ON MY PRECIOUS BODY. I HAVE NO WISH TO DIE IN SOME 384 STINKING JUNGLE IN SOUTH AMERICA, AND I VALUE MY AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP. I ALSO MIGHT ADD THAT I HAVE NOTICED A DISTRESSING 385 TENDENCY TOWARDS CONSERVATISM IN THIS COUNTRY SINCE THE ELECTION OF R&R. ALTHOUGH THERE IS NOTHING NORMALLY WRONG WITH THIS, 386 THE PRESENT ADMINISTRATION HAS SUCCEDED IN UNITING CONSERVATISM AND MILITARISM UNDER THE SAME BANNER. ALTHOUGH THIS IS PARTLY 387 DUE TO POLITICAL MOGULS SUCH AS JESSE HELMS, (SENATOR OF NORTH CAROLINA) WHO RECEIVE A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF MILITARY MONIES 388 FOR BASES IN THEIR STATE, MUCH IS DUE TO THE MASSIVE MILITARY BUILDUP SINCE THE ELECTION. THIS IS NOT LIMITED TO PUBLIC FIGURE 389 S EITHER. EVEN PRIVATE PERSONS, PERHAPS COMFUSED BY THE RHETORIC AND PATRIOTICALY INFLAMED BY THE SPECTACLE OF GRENADA, HAVE 390 BEGUN EXCITEDLY AWAITING THE ARRIVAL OF THE NEXT 'VICTORY'. JUST LAST WEEK, THE 'OFFENSE' DEPARTMENT BEGAN THREATENING THAT 391 THEY MIGHT RUN OUT OF MEN IN THE 1990'S AND A DRAFT WOULD BECOME 'NECESSARY'. IT IS THIS SABER RATTLING THAT RATTLES MY BONES. 392 I STILL MAINTAIN THAT WAR IS SIMPLE MURDER, AND IS NEVER ACCEPTABLE. IT IS BETTER TO DIE AND REMAIL SPIRITUALLY UNCONTAMINATED 393 BY MURDER THAN TO ENGAGE IN 'A PRETENSE OF 'SELF DEFENSE' UNDER A PIECE OF CLOTH.BY THE WAY, MY REAL NAME IS TED MITTELSTAEDT, 394 AND I CAN BE FOUND UNDER CBBS AND SEVERAL OTHER MAJOR BOARDS+++++++++++++++++++++++++000001TED++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 395 **************************************** 396 **************************************** 397 Mike Staats, 398 We have a common friend. Who???? Gary "Dick" Weber. By the way who is Wendy. Have fun at shool in 3 weeks. Still don't 399 who I am??????? Just write to the name of James DiGriz on CBBS or here. 400 p.s Juniors are 401 ------------ unmentionable 402 **************************************** 403 ************************************************* James Bolivar DiGriz ******************************************************** 404 405 ************************************************************************* 406 TO THOSE WHO ARE STILL WONDERING: Abby Hoffman was (is!) a 1960's hippy 407 freak pinko radical who liked to stir things up. He wrote a book called 408 'Steal This Book' which caused a lot of fuss because it described in gory 409 detail such things as how to make pipe bombs, do nasty things to ma bell, 410 what size slugs = what type coins, ect... The problem it brought up was 411 where do you draw the line on freedom of press? We can't have Uncle 412 banning this sort of stuff, but.. is there a real need to popularize this 413 sort of information so that common vandles can get ahold of it? It really 414 pushes the freedom of the press concept to the wall. 415 *********************** CISTOP MIKEY ************************************ 416 TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT 417 Ma Prem Rivers greeted us with a warm smile. EVERYone at RAIN- 418 deer had a warm smile. Perpetual beatitude. Non-stop bliss. 419 It was depressing. I was acting as a newspaper reporter with a 420 photographer (L'homme) and Joshua was from 1001 Pals of Oregon 421 investigating animal abuses and unnatural acts. Nothing was 422 more unnatural than the unflagging ecstacy of the Rajneeshis. 423 Rivers looked like the dog Odie in "Garfield." "Marvelous. 424 Publicity. I mean people confuse us with those guys in airports 425 that look like Daddy Warbucks with jaundice. Puh-LEEZ! We are 426 not a cult. We are a legitimate religious movement." She steered 427 us through the relentlessly rapturous throng. I was getting edgy 428 . I'd known guru junkies of every persuasion from Herbert W. 429 Armstrong to Bubba Free John. Drunk on the act of spiritual 430 transport and with little personality of their own, they will- 431 ingly submitted their ego to anyone willing to be known as a 432 prophet or saint. This utter bliss could turn instantly to 433 fanatic hatred if Wassir or Petrov tried and failed to shake 434 their leader's credibility. If they succeeded, things could 435 be even worse. Facing thousands of devotees who had discovered 436 their idol to be a humbug would be no day at the beach. 437 It was a fine sight. Thousands of green-clad worshippers 438 milled about joyously in a large open area with farm buildings 439 at one end and living quarters at the other. They were hav- 440 ing a great time. Why did it seem so ominous? May be I was 441 just grouchy because we hadn't been able to get into the 442 trunk for 12 hours. The rest of the car talks like the nice 443 Time lady. The trunk sounds like Vic Tayback. "OPEN THE 444 TRUNK?!?!?!! You think I'm a sinusoid elephant???!!" The trunk 445 was highly amused. We were not. "OK, OK, OK. Guess the pass- 446 word. What former Olympic athlete taught millions of mothers 447 how to raise their children? And what was his event? And if 448 you try to use force I'll jam the doors, too, wiseguys, so what 449 do you think about that? HAH?!!!" A real charmer; We'll have 450 to make an addendum to the operator's manual. 451 Anybody know the password(s)? 452 Gaudy Minsky 453 TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT 454 V 455 V5V 456 VVVVV 457 WASSIR: I'LL BE THERE THURSDAY. I GIVE MY WORD-A TEMPORARY TRUCE 458 459 IS THIS AGREEABLE? ALPHA: NOT JUST YET, THIS I MUST DO ALONE. 460 OMEGA: FURTHER INFORMATION REQUIRED. EOM DELTA FIVE 461 LOAM- THERE IS NO TELEVISION SET IN THE BENSON BAR/LOBBY. SOME 462 ONE MAY BE TRYING TO TRICK YOU. BE CAREFUL. A FRIEND 463 TO ?, ABOVE: I REMEMBER NEWSBOYS YELLING "EXTRA, EXTRA". AND I 464 ONCE REMEMBER AN INDIAN SAYING "UGH".(IT WAS AFTER TASTING SOME 465 UNIDENTIFIED ORANGE LIQUID FROM 466 A JUG MARKED "XXX").NEVERTHELESS I THOUGHT YOUR ENTRY WAS QUITE 467 AMUSING;I LIKED IT. TO THE PERSON WHO REMEMBERS THE 468 DEPRESSION: DID YOU EVER HEAR A HOOKER ACTUALLY SAY "HEY, SAILOR 469 OVER HERE" OR "BROTHER CAN YOU SPARE A DIME"?(EXCEPT BING CROSBY) 470 SIGNED: 'OLD FOGEY'. 471 TO ALL: BUMMER. BEING ONE OF THE FEW BW IRREGULARS WHO HAVE ONLY 472 UPPER CASE, I CAN'T SAY ANYTHING WITHOUT 473 EVERYONE KNOWING WHO I AM. 474 ppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp 475 From his seat near the edge of the bar where he had been 476 sitting and listening to the tales, the piper rose and called to the throng, 477 "A slight change of subject, perhaps, but I would like to address the 478 concept of "victimless" crimes. The Portland city council is trying to 479 "crack down" on prostitution in the city. My question is simple -- if both 480 parties are willing, who gets hurt? Why is prostitution, taking drugs, 481 attempting suicide, and any other act that does not infringe upon anothers 482 rights legislated as illegal? By what stretch of the imagination can any 483 government claim to be legitimate that interferes in a persons life when that 484 person is not performing acts that affect other persons? 485 I can see the need for and reluctantly accept the right of a group of 486 people to pass and enforce by collective violence certain rules of behavior 487 that protect each member of that group from acts committed by others. It 488 is, unfortunately, quite easy to go from that point to a point where the 489 group can construe protecting it's members as aiding them against all who 490 might resist the members will in any matter -- material, moral, or religious. 491 My point is, that as soon as a society crosses the line of legislating 492 behaviour which infringes upon another's rights, and attempts to regulate 493 morals, religious beliefs, or any other private behaviour, that society 494 forfeits its claim to legitimacy. 495 ppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp 496 497 to Gary weber. 498 TO Gary weber concerning WDY.Gary I have finnally gotten into this system. 499 list message 500 enter 501 to Gary WEber,concerning WDY. 502 Garyuout of all the b'boards this one uses totally different commands and 503 and a few different functions. 504 Well gotta run ,hope you can catch my next message,Mike+WDY. 505 print 506 ******************************************************************************** 507 Gary and Mike, 508 I know who you are but you don't know who I am . to find out leave 509 a message to James DiGriz on CBBS or BWMS. Mike please learn to use this system 510 properely, you mess up the whole screen. 511 ******************************************************************************** 512 ******** James Bolivar DiGriz ************************************************** 513 **************************************** 514 AH AH AH AH AH AH AH AH AH AH AH AH AH AH AH AH AH AH AH AH AH AH AH AH AH AH AH 515 ========================================================================== 516 To ALL NEW People: PLEASE read carefully the first 18 lines or type HELP 517 and read CAREFULLY the commands to find out how to enter a message, and 518 how to get OUT of the Enter mode. These disks don't hold much as it is 519 and it is a pain to see a bunch of empty lines where someone did not know 520 how to exit the ENTER mode when finished leaving their message! 521 T H A N K Y O U ! ! ! ! 522 ================================================== Sudden Death ========== 523 ^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^ 524 525 TED: Apology accepted. I understand where you are in life. I do, 526 however, disagree about war always being murder. In many cases 527 it is self defense, eg. WWII. Are you advocating death rather 528 than self defense ? Before discussing war again, I would like to 529 know if that is indeed your premise, because if it is, we have 530 such a difference in viewpoint that I feel it would be a 531 fruitless discusion. RSVP 532 533 Piper: Prostitution is not always agreeable to both sides. Many 534 times the woman is forced into it by Pimps or other mitigating 535 circumstances. If all are truly willing, then it is none of 536 the states business. Read your bible, prostitution is older 537 than Christianity. (Genesis describes temple prostitution 538 as from a primitive religion) 539 As for suicide, that usually affects a lot of other people, 540 the coroner, the family, friends, etc. That is a much harder 541 question to discuss. Where does ones autonomy end, and ones 542 obligation to others take precedence. 543 Drugs are another problem altogether. I have known many people 544 who are into drugs and are productive members of society. 545 But there are many others who through misuse of drugs become 546 burdens on society. That is intolerable. (This holds true 547 for that most insidious of drugs, alcohol) 548 549 L'homme: Do you feel that a balanced budget is possible with the 550 promised increase in social welfare programs that Mr. Mondale 551 has proposed ? Increases which do very little other than to 552 discourage individual effort and encourage people to lay\ 553 sideways in the public trough. 554 555 ^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$ Laissez-faire $^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^ 556 $%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$ 557 Piper - Bravo. It's about time someone else came out in defense 558 of perpetrators of victumless crimes. 559 Though most of us don't recognize it, we are unthinking 560 slaves to irrational values that linger from our puritan 561 heritage. Yet rather than admit our values reflect socially 562 instilled taboos, which may no longer be relevant, we deceive 563 ourselves into believing that we came to our values through 564 rational thought and examination. 565 The fallacy of this thinking was demonstrated in our 566 earlier argument. Though people pretended to be rational, 567 logical, and scientific, their arguments made no sense at all. 568 If you examine the entrys from that period you'll see that 569 they were emotional to the point of being absurd. 570 This is understandable once you accept that man is not a 571 rational animal. We are basically herd animals who are 572 motivated by fear, instinct, taboo, social pressure, along with 573 a myriad of other complex motivations. We react from instinct 574 or social conditioning. It's only later that we become rational 575 in order to justify what we do or believe. 576 When I portrayed myself as a child molester I triggered 577 familial instincts, territorial instincts, while violating the 578 the most sacred of the social taboos. You saw the reaction. 579 Mankind has always been motivated by the herd instinct and 580 always will. Rational thought, scientific method, and logical 581 constructs are merely tools to create a workable illusion that 582 gives life meaning. They are not real. 583 Since it's all an illusion anyway don't be too hard on 584 society for not living up to your standards. Reality is a sham 585 and things are not as they seem. Your best bet is to go off, 586 smoke a joint, and forget the whole thing. 587 588 SOMEBODY CLEAN ME OFF...I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING...BIG BROTHER... >