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From: TURTLE
To: THE SPECIALIST
Subject: Defective...
Date & Time: 08/16/90 22:04:17
Message Number 7801
>Um hmm.
Eloquent. I like that.
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From: TURTLE
To: THE SPECIALIST
Subject: Really placid
Date & Time: 08/16/90 22:04:56
Message Number 7802
>I have met gays who I could tell were gay.
So have I. I have also met gays who I could /not/ tell were gay, and I'd
be willing to bet anything you name that you couldn't either. This is a
point you seem unwilling to concede.
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From: TURTLE
To: THE SPECIALIST
Subject: New fags on...
Date & Time: 08/16/90 22:09:28
Message Number 7803
Come come now. The Beatles and the New Kids have plenty in common.
They are both groups comprised of carbon-based life froms, they both
make their living by recording sounds for sale, they both are
idolized by half a billion young children; neither group lived in
grass huts, habitually dined upon llama's innards, or was really into
spontaneous combustion onstage.
...oh, you meant comparing them /musically/? I agree.
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From: TURTLE
To: THE SPECIALIST
Subject: Laws of...
Date & Time: 08/16/90 22:13:13
Message Number 7804
>...I don't get it...
---
>I still don't get it.
Jes' bashing conservatives, Son; tryin' to imply that (a) they're not
notorious for being the greatest force for reason in the known universe
and (b) it's possible that more than a few of 'em may have a vested
interest in maintaining some of the seedier aspects of the Way Things
Are...
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From: TURTLE
To: THE SPECIALIST
Subject: OPINIONS
Date & Time: 08/16/90 22:15:34
Message Number 7805
>...just have figured out that these people can't be helped.
Nope, 'fraid not; looks like we all have terminal cases of open-
mindedness...You're absolutely right, though. Hate, intolerance,
fear, and prejudice are infinitely preferable to reason, tolerance,
understanding, and all that hippie rot. How ever could I have thought
different?
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From: TURTLE
To: THE SPECIALIST
Subject: Faith
Date & Time: 08/16/90 22:18:18
Message Number 7806
The "What came first?" argument can be applied just as easily to
one god as to many; if you're a monotheistic agnostic, then who
created your "god" singular? Is it really that much easier to accept
a singular entity that has existed 'forever' (whatever that means) than
to accept a number of entities that have been around forever? Hmm...
I bet Hindu atheists don't believe in a multitude of gods... (grin).
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From: TURTLE
To: THE SPECIALIST
Subject: Innovation
Date & Time: 08/16/90 22:31:06
Message Number 7807
Steve Vai is the guitarist who played for David Lee Roth on his first
solo albums and (I believe) played with Dio for a brief time. He's
characterized most strongly by the ability to use a guitar as a
voice synthesizer (no kidding); technically, he's very very good, if
(in my opinion) somewhat unimaginitive.He generally seems to be more
interested in special effects than in /music/, which is kind of
annoying, especially in light of how good he is.
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From: TURTLE
To: THE SPECIALIST
Subject: Laws of...
Date & Time: 08/16/90 22:35:11
Message Number 7808
>That's a liberal for you...never mind if we look like cowards...
>etc, etc...
Is this whole "kill-em all" gung-ho war thing a sexual thing with
conservatives?? I think if you were thnking with the right head you'd
realize that that's a patently absurd statement; a liberal President
would be just as likely to repond in an agressive fashion to an act of
agression as would a conservative. Hey, I'm a liberal, and I'm hardly a
living icon of candle-and-sandle "flowers for everyone" philosophy!
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From: TURTLE
To: THE SPECIALIST
Subject: S & M
Date & Time: 08/16/90 22:39:54
Message Number 7809
>This is a vote "no"...don't discuss your B&D experience...
You know, I guessed that'd be what you said. The commentary attached
to the answer was certainly...uh, certainly /heartfelt/, but was it
really necessary???
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From: TURTLE
To: THE SPECIALIST
Subject: Nuke Kids
Date & Time: 08/16/90 22:42:10
Message Number 7810
>...you want the N[K]OTB to present an image for all teens to follow?
>Now, that IS perverse!
Much as I hate to admit it, I find myself /agreeing/ with you on the
subject of perversity...ack! Um...Gun Control! Gun Control!
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From: TURTLE
To: KEN OBER
Subject: dog
Date & Time: 08/16/90 22:48:14
Message Number 7811
>...watch the Yuppie bashing!!!!!!!!
I will have you know, Sir, that Yuppie bashing is the only form of
bashing that is actively encouraged by the sysop of this bulletin
board...so stick that in your tennis shoes and pump /it/ for a while!
Thpth!
(c) 1990 Anarchy Now, Inc. The opinions expressed do not necessarily
reflect those of the person stating them.
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From: TURTLE
To: BEATLE
Subject: some thoughts
Date & Time: 08/16/90 22:59:29
Message Number 7813
Hey, if I could kiss Michelle Pfeiffer, I wouldn't mind being
condemned to making Montgomery Ward commercials afterward...
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From: ZOT GNOP
To: THRUD
Subject: Your daughter
Date & Time: 08/16/90 23:57:11
Message Number 7814
I don't think the kid down the street sounds so bad. What kind of music
does he listen to? (How old's your daughter anyway? Hehehehe)
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From: ZOT GNOP
To: THE SPECIALIST
Subject: Innovation
Date & Time: 08/17/90 00:15:36
Message Number 7815
Steve Vai is an EXTREMELY competent guitarist as well as an interesting
performer to watch. His latest album : Passion and Warfare has a number
of highly entertaining works on it. Some of which ARE very fresh as far
as concept and technical effects are concerned. I think Icefalcon is
correct in his belief that Steve Vai is one of the pioneers of the music
industry (but not nearly to the degree of Floyd or Rush). You do,
however, have to consider the fact that Icefalcon is a guitarist as well
and so his opinions tend to pull towards those with a high degree of
technical ability (ie Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, and Eddie Van Halen).
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From: ZOT GNOP
To: BEATLE
Subject: Vai
Date & Time: 08/17/90 00:38:59
Message Number 7816
Sputter sputter...Damn you...I just happened to be drinking a galss of
water when I read your post. That's like saying The Beatles were just
some pop band from the 60's. Grrrrrrr. Do not make generalizations like
that unless you know what you're talking about. Since you have stated
previously that you are stuck in the 'Pop zone', I will assume that you
don't. Steve Vai is a 'Rock' guitarist. That is, he doesn't just play
heavy metal, but also rock, neo-classical, and Southern blues. He almost
has achieved (I stress the almost) a position rivaling Joe Satriani and
Eddie Van Halen (The Ghods of Electric Guitar) with his most recent
album.
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From: BEATLE
To: MAX
Subject: Nuke Kids
Date & Time: 08/17/90 14:31:32
Message Number 7818
> reference to that in the last regularly-aired episode...
I must've missed it. Geez, I wish I could fill in the rest of my Max
Headroom collection... Anyway, Miami Vice was on Fridays at 9 AND 10 at
different parts of the year. Dallas, as far as I can remember, has
always been on at 9 PM.
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From: BEATLE
To: MAX
Subject:
Date & Time: 08/17/90 14:34:08
Message Number 7819
> Bush doesn't particularly want to us them...
A refreshing point, when you can call other BBSes in the area and the
general concensus is "Nuke 'em 'till they GLOW!" I was surprised with
how many people WANT that!!
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From: BEATLE
To: TURTLE
Subject: some thoughts
Date & Time: 08/17/90 14:42:42
Message Number 7820
> I wouldn't mind being condemned to making Montgomery Ward commercials
> afterward...
I wouldn't mind being condemned to cleaning toilets afterward... but
I'm really pathetic about things like that...but I digress...
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From: BEATLE
To: ZOT GNOP
Subject: Vai
Date & Time: 08/17/90 14:45:09
Message Number 7821
> Steve Vai is a 'Rock' guitarist...
Ghee, I hate it when I do something stupid (Which seems toincrease
exponentially during the summer).... Anyway, thank you for setting me
straight. I seem to be 0 for a few times making judgements based on MTV
videos...
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From: SUNTAN
To: THE SPECIALIST
Subject: zip/arc
Date & Time: 08/17/90 15:58:08
Message Number 7822
thanks for the help offer. my phone no. is 371-1469. I'm usually not
in during the day but I have an ans. machine. The best time to call is
7-7:30 am or 6p-8p. THANKS AGAIN!!! Dave G.
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From: KEN OBER
To: TURTLE
Subject: dog
Date & Time: 08/17/90 18:41:24
Message Number 7825
> so stick that in your tennis shoes and pump /it/ for a while!
Hey, I don't /do/ the tennis shoe thang ... I have the Cross-Training
CXT pumps, so Thpth!
:)
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From: KEN OBER
To: ZOT GNOP
Subject: Innovation
Date & Time: 08/17/90 18:42:55
Message Number 7826
Oh, now I remember this Steve Vai guy .. He's the one that has that
video with that kid in school, isn't he!? I like that video for exactly
ONE reason -- There is a scene in there where he looks like he wants to
be the Wizard of Time and Speed .... But that's just me....
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From: KEN OBER
To: ALL
Subject: What I hate
Date & Time: 08/17/90 18:46:12
Message Number 7827
You know what I hate? When I spend the time Z-Batch downloading two
files that are 700+K and will take over an hour to D/L in the first
place, but there has to be alot of line noise that evening, and it ends
up having 200+ errors on the download, and it takes a COUPLE HOURS to
/finally/ download ... And when you un-warp the disk, it turns into a
788K Lharc file that is just too big to decompress onto anything but
a hard drive! I hate when that happens ... Espically when you don't
have a hard drive .... Oh well .... I guess I'll have to drag it to
Rocky's ....
- Ken Ober
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From: BEATLE
To: ALL
Subject: inane lyrics
Date & Time: 08/17/90 23:27:19
Message Number 7828
My search for the most inane lyrics on earth has ended. While putting
up with my sisters dose of rap for the day, they played a video by Bell
Biv DeVoe (and these guys are managed by the same yutz who created the
Nuke Kids) called "Do Me". The chorus goes:
You can do me in the morning/You can do me in the night=
Grr... when things like that make it to Number one on at least one
chart, I begin to worry. Why can't a song like the one that is anti-
gang violence be a hit??
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From: TURTLE
To: ZOT GNOP
Subject: Innovation
Date & Time: 08/18/90 01:56:25
Message Number 7831
...and presumably to guitarists of great technical ability and real
innovation and imagination; like, say, Yngwie Malmsteen...
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From: TURTLE
To: KEN OBER
Subject: cat
Date & Time: 08/18/90 01:58:38
Message Number 7832
>I have the Cross-Training CXT pumps, so there!
You have hundred-dollar tennis shoes with a silly name and an equally
silly pump, so Thpth!
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From: TURTLE
To: BEATLE
Subject: inane lyrics
Date & Time: 08/18/90 02:00:17
Message Number 7833
>You can do me in the morning/You can do me in the night...
That's FAR from the most inane rap lyrics I've ever heard. Who could
forget, for example, "Boom I've got your girlfriend, uh uh I've got
your girlfriend"? There's also the infamous "Oh so horny oh oh so
horny oh so horny yeah yeah yeah" from 2 Live Crew, and moving out of
rap, "I'm so hungry for your sex, yeah, I'm so hungry for your sex"
(Lita Ford), "She loves you yeah yeah yeah, she loves you yeah yeah
yeah" (you know who), "Slide it in, straight to the top, slide it in,
slide it in, slide it in" (Whitesnake, who can actually produce remark-
ably good music when they're not doing this sort of dribble), and last
but by no means least, "You ain't nothing but a hound dog, rock and
roll time, you ain't nothing but a hound dog, rock and roll time," which
has a special shrine in the hallowed halls of inane drivel.
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From: THE SPECIALIST
To: KEN OBER
Subject: New fags on...
Date & Time: 08/18/90 02:24:05
Message Number 7834
K>And not to mention the fact that one of the NFOTB is a fag....
No shit!? Figures. Who do you think is their choreagrapher (SP!).
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From: THE SPECIALIST
To: BIG LEW
Subject: OPINIONS
Date & Time: 08/18/90 02:28:42
Message Number 7835
TS>Are you pouting?
Hmmm. I may be.
(Wups! I meant to quote you, not myself!)
BL>You are one of the reasons I sign onto this board.
Oh, puh-leeesze. You flatter me. You like to hear some bigot bash
gays? You say may be; I say I am. I won't debate it.
BTW - If I have offended you, I am sorry...it was not my intention...
sometimes I say careless things and if I said something to you,
please! tell me. I'll explain what I meant in detail.
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From: THE SPECIALIST
To: BIG LEW
Subject: Truth
Date & Time: 08/18/90 02:34:25
Message Number 7836
BL>Ahhhhhh, but you might - someday. See, I might be praying for you,
BL>too. But...I don't in the same breath as for my sis -
Yes, I might HAVE to...it may be inevitable. If you pray for me,
then you may do so however you like (same breath or whatever). I
appreciate the effort (if not the motive/intent) - beggars can't be
choosy!
May I say that you can't ignore what is happening between you & your
sister...I hate to harp on it, but I can't help but feel for you. I
el
believe that Max & the rest had good ideas about supporting your sister
now more than ever. You don't have to approve of what she does...just
make sure that she knows that nothing has changed - you are still her
brother. Y'know? Well, I'm afraid my advice sucks when it comes to
matters of the heart...just not too good there. Good luck!
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From: THE SPECIALIST
To: BEATLE
Subject: some thoughts
Date & Time: 08/18/90 02:44:09
Message Number 7837
B>The...guy who does the Montgomery Ward ads...
Has absolutely *nothing* on Michelle Phiffer. She is one leggy
lady. !smack, smak!
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From: THE SPECIALIST
To: MAX
Subject: [D
Date & Time: 08/18/90 02:49:38
Message Number 7838
Ok, you want to know this:
Why would I drop all associations with a person whom I found out
was gay even if he was a friend?
Look. This is not a matter for logic. I simply don't like them,
because of what they do. If one of my friends turned out to be gay,
well, I don't make very close ties to people...it would be easy to
drop them. Anybody.
And this:
Why would homosexuality instantly negate anything else good about
that person?
It wouldn't. It's just that anything "good" about that person
wouldn't matter as much as that particular thing "bad" about them.
It would outweigh all "good" things. (Which would all be tainted
with "bad" anyway.)
BTW - I am not dropping this thread because I have come to a logic
dead end...I am simply dropping it because no one wants to hear it!
Besides, everything I say falls on (mostly) deaf ears.
I don't need to defend my position, anyway. It's my opinion. If
you don't like, it, *too* *bad*. (And the same for me of yours.)
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From: THE SPECIALIST
To: MAX
Subject: Furrys
Date & Time: 08/18/90 02:57:51
Message Number 7839
M>My argument would be that Reli isn't a beast any more than an elf
M>in a Dungeons & Dragons world would be;
Hmm. What table do you suppose that elfs would be from? I mean
on the species\genus\phylum\kindom whathaveyou...would they still be
simian or sapien? I don't think that cats would be. They still fall
into /my/ beast category.
But, you never answered my original question, Max.
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From: THE SPECIALIST
To: YNGLING
Subject: Heinlein
Date & Time: 08/18/90 03:03:59
Message Number 7840
Well, I'm not a fanatic (unless you count having read EVERY ONE of his
stories fanatic) so I guess I could probably pass by on that borrow
issue...I /do/ appreciate the offer, though.
Probably BM will get them eventually...maybe when she shows up
you can show her your pearly whites and insult her at the same time...
(You know what I mean?)
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From: THE SPECIALIST
To: TURTLE
Subject: Laws of...
Date & Time: 08/18/90 03:09:44
Message Number 7841
T>Jes' bashing conservatives, Son;
Hmmm...does this mean that you prejudice against conservatives?
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From: THE SPECIALIST
To: TURTLE
Subject: OPINIONS
Date & Time: 08/18/90 03:11:28
Message Number 7842
Predictable.
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From: THE SPECIALIST
To: TURTLE
Subject: Faith
Date & Time: 08/18/90 03:12:49
Message Number 7843
True. Like I said, howver, it's just easeir to believe.
T>I bet Hindu atheists don't believe in a multitude of gods...
I don't understand, and even if I did, then I might reply, I'm
agnostic. Not athiest.
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From: THE SPECIALIST
To: TURTLE
Subject: Steve Vai
Date & Time: 08/18/90 03:14:54
Message Number 7844
Thank you...that told me more than the other reply I got...
"He's a Heavy Metal guitarist." Thanks to him, too.
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From: THE SPECIALIST
To: TURTLE
Subject: S & M
Date & Time: 08/18/90 03:17:16
Message Number 7845
T> the commentary was /heartfelt/, but was it
T>really necessary???
Oh, yes, you bet your ass. (No pun intended.) It was very, very
necessary indeed. (Kept me from going out and killing innocent
bystanders.)
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From: THE SPECIALIST
To: ZOT GNOP
Subject: Innovation
Date & Time: 08/18/90 03:21:02
Message Number 7846
I can't believe you! You praise RUSH but then fail to mention the
greatest bass of all time in the same breath as Steve Vai, Joe
Satriani, and Eddie Van Halen! You FORGOT GEDDE LEE!
Gheeze! (tm) Whatsamatta whichoo! (S*it! I think I spelled his name
wrong! Oh, well, too much effort to edit)
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From: THE SPECIALIST
To: BEATLE
Subject:
Date & Time: 08/18/90 03:25:14
Message Number 7847
Nuke 'em 'till they GLOW.
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From: KEN OBER
To: ALL
Subject: On the road...
Date & Time: 08/18/90 06:57:28
Message Number 7848
New Kids On The Block fans are taking to the road! After a concert the
band's tour bus was flocked by their fan's vehicles on their way to
Knoxville, TN ... Naturally, they used their CB to call Truck Drivers
to the rescue by surrounding the bus and making a convoy....
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From: KEN OBER
To: TURTLE
Subject: cat
Date & Time: 08/18/90 07:00:32
Message Number 7849
> You have hundred-dollar...
Actually $109
> tennis shoes with a silly pump..
No, I have the CXT's ... the CRT's are the ones for Tennis
> ... silly name ...
Hey, they're better than Nike Air Jordan's .........
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From: THRUD
To: TURTLE
Subject: Laws of...
Date & Time: 08/18/90 09:07:17
Message Number 7851
And it's people like Jesse Jackson and Alan Cranston that make ME glad
that you're a pinko liberal too......
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From: THRUD
To: TURTLE
Subject: Nuke Kids
Date & Time: 08/18/90 09:08:53
Message Number 7852
damn, I hate defending those musicaly inept pukes but.....
Little girls will be infatuated with media stars. Allways have been,
always will. The people I mentioned previously, Sinatra, Elvis,
McCartney, Travolta etc, were far from lilly white morally, but
that just made them more apppealing to little girls looking for
a fantasy outlet, preferably one that aggravated their parents. The
Beatles sold tons of buttons and posters 25 years ago, which probalbly
irritated the generation preceding us to no end. Todays marketing
techniques are slicker, and our kids have a few more dollars in their
pockets, so it seems more extreme, but it's just evolution of the
science of huckstering.
Official Disclaimer: The views presented here are presented in a
devils advocacy and open-minded manner. Any impression that I
like the NKOB or think their music has any value whatsoever shall
be considered proof that you are functionally illiterate.
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From: THRUD
To: TURTLE
Subject: Nuke Kids
Date & Time: 08/18/90 09:18:36
Message Number 7853
I don't pretend that I can slow down my daughters 'social interaction',
I just said I preferred older and simpler times. She will and has
already started 'interaction' at a rate that is frightening - have you
looked at any 13 year old boys lately. I'm just trying to convince her
(without success) that all boys are scum. I know, I used to be a boy,
and I wouldn't want her to go out with anybody like me.
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From: THRUD
To: ZOT GNOP
Subject: Your daughter
Date & Time: 08/18/90 09:24:49
Message Number 7854
I'm sorry, but the offspring of Frost Giants and dwarfs are
physiologicaly imcompatable.
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From: THRUD
To: MAX
Subject: moritorium
Date & Time: 08/18/90 09:33:02
Message Number 7855
You've raised some valid points about where some members of CRS are
really coming from, but the greed of the few is not a reason to ruin
the lives of the many. Yes, we're over developed. Yes, we have real
problems with public services and utilities. Yes, we've got boneheads
on the county commision. But slamming the brakes on the local economy is
not going to help anything.
Two of our commissioners came from the ranks of SOB, and found out
that solving the problems from within wasn't all that easy either. I
don't know if Eide can do any better, but he seems to have thought
these thing through a bit more thoroughly, and is concerned from a
citizens viewpoint, not a special interest. There's no denying his
intellectual standing.
One item that isn't addressed much is that we need to eliminate our
dependancy on the tourism/construction industry. Aside from some
limited agriculture, we don't have any other industry. Perhaps we
could encourage a little bit of clean industry like Manatee and Lee
counties do, so we could spread our economic base around.
My biggest problem with the moritorium is that I don't see how putting
me out of a job is going to help. The big guys can just sit back, and
either retire or invest elsewhere. Right now I work 48+ every week, pay
lots of taxes, spend all my money locally, and contribute time to
my daughters school. A moritorium would mean that I would be either
moveing, commuting mega-miles to work, or becoming a burden on society.
I don't suppose anybody would like to support my family for
a while so that I can go to school faster than 3-6 hours at a time?
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From: MIKE GREENAWALD
To: ...
Subject: thanks
Date & Time: 08/18/90 10:17:55
Message Number 7856
Thanks for the invitation to D and D's party at Holme.s Beach on Friday
I enjoyed myself. I am sorry that I got there late.
I was really impressed by what I saw and heard. There was no bitchen
(slang for you know what). There were about 40 people present. They
discussed legislation and social reform, the use of condoms, religious
affairs, Aids, college opening, food (really good food), business
ethics, etc.
Afterwards I went to the local bar down the road. I was approached twice
The bird who sat next to me had a slug out over a flake who walked out.
GHenerally I had a miserable time discussing gams and mamery glands on
every gal that passed. This was an evening with a cop and P. O.
who I swore came from outter space and was in heat.
Again thasnks for the invitation to D and D's party. I really enjoyed
myself there. After this no more after party bar stops even when
the locals invite.
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From: MIKE GREENAWALD
To: ALL
Subject: words
Date & Time: 08/18/90 10:40:31
Message Number 7857
What is the big thing about tits and gams?
I walked into the lounge with a couple of friends and all of a sudden
tits and gams are everything. Out side the lounge caseload and tickets
were the subject of the day. Is this altered reality or what?
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From: BIG LEW
To: THE SPECIALIST
Subject: OPINIONS
Date & Time: 08/18/90 11:54:08
Message Number 7858
No offense taken. I said I'm getting my sense of humor back, right?!!
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From: CRYSTAL
To: TURTLE
Subject: some thoughts
Date & Time: 08/18/90 16:28:39
Message Number 7860
>Hey, if I could kiss Michelle Pfeiffer, I wouldn't mind being
>condemned to making Montgomry Ward commercials afterward...
Some Turtles are so easy. I must say, sometimes you are a sad case.
* CRYSTAL *
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From: BEATLE
To: TURTLE
Subject: inane lyrics
Date & Time: 08/18/90 21:15:41
Message Number 7861
Yes, you now havecollecting inane lyrics down to a science.
But, there is one thing you should keep in mind about songs like "She
Loves You" and "Hound Dog". Back in the 1950's and early 60's, most hit
songs were inane drivel. Actually, most stuff up through the mid-sixties
wasn't terribly intelligent. There, of course were some exceptions.
Anyway, besides "She loves you, yeah, yeah, yeah",I think Lennon and
McCartney wrote better songs (for that time) such as "I'll Be On My Way"
(which was never recorded by the Beatles... but I digress)...
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From: BEATLE
To: THE SPECIALIST
Subject: Innovation
Date & Time: 08/18/90 21:22:30
Message Number 7862
> Gheeze! (tm)
Have you decided to trademark that now? You know, the same thing,
sans the "ze" has been around for a little while...
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From: BEATLE
To: KEN OBER
Subject: cat
Date & Time: 08/18/90 21:24:42
Message Number 7863
> the CRT's are the ones for Tennis
No, CRT's are the archai form of "computer monitors"....
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From: BEATLE
To: THRUD
Subject: Nuke Kids
Date & Time: 08/18/90 21:26:17
Message Number 7864
You know, one thing about the Beatles' morality was, it didn't get out
until the initial mania had died. As far as the kids were concerned,
they were wholesome boys... Ah, well. I always overlooked their faults.
On the other hand, Ken Ober continuously calls ex-Beatles "druggies". I
proceded to call his brother a druggie on the same grounds. Needless to
say, he did not give up his claim, and he forced me to drop mine...
Grrr.....
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From: BEATLE
To: THRUD
Subject: Nuke Kids
Date & Time: 08/18/90 21:29:50
Message Number 7865
> all boys are sucm...
Alright. I guess you could say that. I seem to annoyingly have no
common sense (according to some) and I'm a babbling idiot (according to
others, who seem to babble more)... but I'm polite to females. I don't
have the intentions that come with the word "scum". I'm just too shy and
inexperienced.
The point is: I don't want to be scum. I'm not scum.
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From: BLACK MAGIC
To: TURTLE
Subject: VH-1
Date & Time: 08/18/90 23:16:31
Message Number 7868
Heeheheheh...what a trip...I'm in a REAL BITCH mood, so now isn't
a good time to ask any questions...I'll answer nicely later on....
Lady]
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From: BLACK MAGIC
To: KEN OBER
Subject: VH-1
Date & Time: 08/18/90 23:18:59
Message Number 7869
NAaaaahh....(because, actually, I had a dirty mind long before I ever
knew Turtle!)
:>
A Dirty Minded Lady
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From: BLACK MAGIC
To: ICEFALCON
Subject: Innovation
Date & Time: 08/18/90 23:20:21
Message Number 7870
I like your style....one problem though....I really love the Floyd, too.
The Lady In Black]
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From: BLACK MAGIC
To: YNGLING
Subject: Lacey
Date & Time: 08/18/90 23:22:10
Message Number 7871
:>...(maybe I should fax it, then? no? :> )
Lacey
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From: BLACK MAGIC
To: RUFUS
Subject: Ziggy
Date & Time: 08/18/90 23:25:39
Message Number 7872
'Course it is!
Lacey
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From: BLACK MAGIC
To: RUFUS
Subject: Ziggy
Date & Time: 08/18/90 23:26:54
Message Number 7873
SHoot......
Lady
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From: BLACK MAGIC
To: SNAKEBYTE
Subject: Really placid
Date & Time: 08/18/90 23:27:32
Message Number 7874
Hi....
(there, are you happy, now? )
:)
The Lady
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From: BLACK MAGIC
To: TURTLE
Subject: Lacey
Date & Time: 08/18/90 23:30:19
Message Number 7875
.....Fuck thou.
.....The Lady
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From: BLACK MAGIC
To: KEN OBER
Subject: VH-1
Date & Time: 08/18/90 23:31:45
Message Number 7876
Now wait just one minute....even though it's true, where do you
get off rubbing it in? HUH? ;>
Lacey
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From: BLACK MAGIC
To: THE SPECIALIST
Subject: Laws of...
Date & Time: 08/18/90 23:40:38
Message Number 7877
I don't mean to be rude, but is there anything that you DON'T have an
opinion on?
Black Magic
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From: BLACK MAGIC
To: THE SPECIALIST
Subject: S & M
Date & Time: 08/18/90 23:41:40
Message Number 7878
YOU REALLY ARE A HEARTLESS ASSHOLE. This I DO mean, intentionally.
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From: BLACK MAGIC
To: YNGLING
Subject: Heinlein
Date & Time: 08/18/90 23:48:42
Message Number 7879
:) I don't think the Specialist takes to kindly to anything I have to
say...not that much of what I say means anything lately, anyway....
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From: TURTLE
To: THE SPECIALIST
Subject: Furrys
Date & Time: 08/19/90 00:01:27
Message Number 7881
A sapient cat is no more a beast than a human is a chimpanzee...
the fact that both beings evolved from lesse ancestors would not
negate the fact that they are *sapient*, and therefore able to reach
mutual decisions about matters like sexual intercourse, which a human
and a beast /by definition/ cannot.
...yeah, I'd sleep with Reli...
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From: TURTLE
To: THE SPECIALIST
Subject: Laws of...
Date & Time: 08/19/90 00:05:50
Message Number 7882
>Hmmm...does this mean that you prejudice against conservatives?
I'm prejudiced against idiocy. In my experience, there are more morons
who call themselves conservatives than morons who consider themselves
liberals; witness Pat Robertson, Jesse Helms, Jerry Falwell, etc.
(Actually, idiocy isn't really the right word; let's call it instead
"posessing of a great deal of hypocricy and self-serving self-righteous-
ness.) This does not imply that there aren't liberals with the same
problems (Jesse Jackson, for instance); nor does it imply that all
conservatives fit that bill.
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From: TURTLE
To: THE SPECIALIST
Subject: Faith
Date & Time: 08/19/90 00:09:25
Message Number 7883
Okay, that was poorly phrased, so let me try again. The gods in
which Hindu atheists don't believe are likely to be a plurality, and
(if you will) the gods whose existance Hindu agnostics aren't sure
about are also probably a multitude. The point I was trying to make
is that someone raised in a particular religious setting is very likely
to map /all/ his views onto the framework of that religion, even if he
doesn't believe in the religion itself. An agnostic in a Christian
culture will be uncertain about the existance of god; an agnostic
raised in a Hindu culture will be uncertain about the existance of the
gods. Both will probably not be aware of their bias, or, if they are,
will simply feel that the bias is the interpretation which in some way
makes more sense or seems more likely.
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From: TURTLE
To: THE SPECIALIST
Subject: S & M
Date & Time: 08/19/90 00:14:01
Message Number 7884
>(Kept me from going out and killing innocent bystanders.)
So? You've never played the ever-popular game of Innocent Bystander
before? It's fun...
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From: TURTLE
To: KEN OBER
Subject: cat
Date & Time: 08/19/90 00:18:17
Message Number 7885
You have hundred-dollar tennis shoes with a silly name and a silly
marketing strategy aimed at making people believe they can't be worn
while playing tennis...ya need another type of silly hundred-dollar
tennis shoes for that. And yes, the little air pump thing is
still /silly/. Me, I like the Asics Gel commercials that slam
inflatable shoes...the Asics are equally absurd as a form of footwear,
but their ads are more entertaining.
...stamp out ridiculous footwear!!!
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From: TURTLE
To: THRUD
Subject: Laws of...
Date & Time: 08/19/90 00:21:38
Message Number 7886
Jesse Jackson and Alan Cranston? Hey, let's not get nasty here! You
insist on hanging those losers around my neck and I'm gonna start
attacking you with the members of the Religious Right...with people
like Jim and Tammy Bakker, Oral Roberts, and Pat Robertson on your
side, I'm glad it's you and not me who's stuck on that side of the
fence, ya know?
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From: TURTLE
To: THRUD
Subject: Nuke Kids
Date & Time: 08/19/90 00:26:33
Message Number 7887
Yes, of course young girls are going to be enthralled with whatever
media idol gets thrust into their eager and shining little faces,
be it Elvis or the New Kids. That's kind of inevidable. I wonder,
though, at the wisdom of /preferring/ that one's young pride and joy
be infatuated with some abstract quantity like a pop idol than
a real (and accessible) person, from whom said young child can learn
more than the effectiveness of media marketing. Social skills are good
things to have, after all, and ain't nobody what's gonna pick 'em up
from the likes of the New Kids...
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From: TURTLE
To: MIKE GREENAWALD
Subject: words
Date & Time: 08/19/90 00:32:00
Message Number 7888
>What is the big thing about tits and gams?
Beats me. At a guess: they're the favorite topic of conversation for
those who are (a) sexually frustrated and incapable of any sort of
subtlety, grace, or any other useful skill that may help them solve
this problem; (b) /not/ sexually frustrated but not terribly secure in
their own (i) sexuality or (ii) masculinity and therefore who need to
impress those around them at all times; (c) simply unused to the novel
concept of treating women as sapient beings.
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From: TURTLE
To: CRYSTAL
Subject: some thoughts
Date & Time: 08/19/90 00:35:14
Message Number 7889
>Some Turtles are so easy.
Hey, I ain't easy, but I'm worth the effort! (smirk)
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From: TURTLE
To: BEATLE
Subject: inane lyrics
Date & Time: 08/19/90 00:36:00
Message Number 7890
>Back in the 1950's and early 60's, most hit songs were inane drivel.
And now, in the '90's, most hit songs are--guess what?--inane drivel.
>...I think Lennon and McCartney wrote better songs...
Yes, I did not mean to imply otherwise. Even groups (or individuals)
who are capable of producing remarkable music can pull the occasional
boner. Whitesnake is a good example of this sort of thing: almost all
ther songs are either exceptionally good or utterly insipid, with very
little in-between. Same with Heart; the people who recorded "These
Dreams" were also responsible for "Magic Man," which is truly a
monument to its own insipidness.
===========
From: TURTLE
To: BEATLE
Subject: Nuke Kids
Date & Time: 08/19/90 00:39:39
Message Number 7891
The Beatle's morality, or lack thereof, is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT to the
quality of their music, which is something I hope Ken is bright enough
to figure out. Music is either good or bad on its own merits, which
have nothing whatever to do with the behavior of the people who
write that music. Besides, what's he got against druggies?? Some of my
best friends are some of the most colossal stoners who ever did walk the
face of this here earth!
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From: TURTLE
To: BLACK MAGIC
Subject: VH-0
Date & Time: 08/19/90 00:43:20
Message Number 7892
>I'm in a REAL BITCH mood, so now isn't a good time to ask any
>questions?
Izzat so? Why? And what happens if I /do/ ask questions?
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From: TURTLE
To: BLACK MAGIC
Subject: Lacey
Date & Time: 08/19/90 00:45:19
Message Number 7893
>.....Fuck thou.
Don't tease, dearest.
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From: TURTLE
To: BLACK MAGIC
Subject: S & M
Date & Time: 08/19/90 00:50:09
Message Number 7895
Hey...watch the ad hminems, please! If you feel the need to attack
something, it might be preferable to target the statements or ideas
you disagree with rather than the person stating them, hmm? Name-calling
does little to enhance your position, and in most cases it doesn't even
make clear what it is that you disagree with, or why.
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From: THRUD
To: TURTLE
Subject: Laws of...
Date & Time: 08/19/90 09:12:53
Message Number 7896
ouch.....no please.....don't hit me with the Religious Right......or
was that a right cross.....well, that's better than your left hook.
BTW, how're your good friends Jim Wright, Tip O'Neil, ED KOCH (oops,
didn't mean to slip that one in below the belt) James Earl Carter,
Cyrus Vance, Marion Barry and Barney Frank?
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From: THRUD
To: TURTLE
Subject: Nuke Kids
Date & Time: 08/19/90 09:17:40
Message Number 7897
Your right to the degree that the kiddos don't actually meet or
interact with the band. However, it leads to more activities with
other girls of like interest. I believe that when 4 girls close the
door, listen to music, talk and giggle for 12 hours, there is normal
social interaction going on. Their 'hobby' or interest in music is
just as valid to them as my interests in computers, golf and footballl
are to me.
I think you've somehow gotten the impression that my daughter is
being stifled socially. Nothing could be further from the truth. I
couldn't stop her development if I wa, but it is my responsibility
to help her stay on the right track - or as close to it as possible.
One of the hardest things in the world is to convince a 13 year old
that what seems like the most important thing on earth right now won't
matter worth a damn next year.
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From: THRUD
To: BEATLE
Subject: scum
Date & Time: 08/19/90 09:29:42
Message Number 7898
I didn't mean to imply that you personally are scum. However, to the
best of my recollection, when I was a teenager I only had one erection -
it lasted for seven years. My main channels of thought were girls, how
to get my hands on girls, how to get a better look at girls, etc, etc.
I'm not saying all boyare like this, just all the ones I grew up with.
While this is perfectly normal, so is the paternal instinct to hold
the teenage hormone monsters at bay. Parenting is one of those things
that you don't understand until you try it, and then you REALLY don't
understand.
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From: YNGLING
To: BLACK MAGIC
Subject: Lacey
Date & Time: 08/19/90 10:00:36
Message Number 7899
Dearest,
Forget the FAX...would you consider FedEx'ing it? ;>
The Yngling
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From: BEATLE
To: TURTLE
Subject: inane lyrics
Date & Time: 08/19/90 12:54:44
Message Number 7901
> Yes, I did not mean to imply otherwise...
Yeah, I know. I just was referring to the fact that at the same time
that Lennon/McCartney wrote "She Loves You" "Love Me Do" and "I Want to
Hold Your Hand", they did write something that was real nice, yet they
gave it away to another group.
> today...inane drivel...
Yes, but back in the 50's and 60's, weren't there fewer alternatives
to inane drivel??
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From: BEATLE
To: THRUD
Subject: scum
Date & Time: 08/19/90 12:59:57
Message Number 7902
> I only had one erction - it lasted for seven years...
Gheee... That must've been tough. (I mean that in a humourous, not
insulting way... I get the point too...)
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From: MAX
To: TURTLE
Subject: inane lyrics
Date & Time: 08/19/90 16:57:05
Message Number 7903
That's "You ain't nothin' but a hound dog/cryin' all the time," you
tuneless twit. Elvis' songs were generallwritten before the time of
complete incoherency in rock music. They were usually bad for other
reasons (repeating the above line three times and ending with "You ain't
nothin' but a hound dog and you ain't no friend of mine" hardly
qualifies as Don Henley, or even Bruce Springsteen on an off day), but
what little thought went into them was generally expressed in complete
sentences.
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From: MAX
To: THE SPECIALIST
Subject: New fags on...
Date & Time: 08/19/90 17:00:32
Message Number 7904
The New Kids' choreographer is Paula Abdul. While I generally avoid
reading much about them, I haven't seen anything to back up Ken's
assertion that one of them is homosexual -- in fact, I haven't seen much
to indicate they're bisexual, heterosexual or any kind of sexual at
all, although one of them has a girlfriend. Did it occur to you that
Ken is probably yanking your admittedly large chain on the subject of
homosexuality? He's just more subtle about it than AJ is (if that
message about hard bodies wasn't written with the intention of setting
you off, I don't know what was).
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From: MAX
To: THE SPECIALIST
Subject: [D
Date & Time: 08/19/90 17:06:21
Message Number 7905
If you've never made a tie close enough that breaking it would hurt,
it sounds like you lead a fairly lonely life. Just an observation. I
simply think there are some assumptions you're working on that you
refuse to question. It's more comfortable NOT to question those
assumptions, especially seeing as you've had them for all your life.
But assertions like "homosexuality is so bad it would outweigh all
good things, which would all be tainted with 'bad' anyway" are
disturbing to me on a different level than "The Specialist doesn't
agree with me and I think he's wrong."
Honestly, I don't see how I /could/ think less of someone's art,
his writing, his music, his conversation and company -- and his
friendship -- if I found out that he was bisexual or homosexual. What
does the one have to do with the rest? Assuming he's not making a
pass at me (which has never happened), why should I be bothered?
I have never understood how it's possible to hate another human
being who hasn't done something to you, or to people you care about,
unless you're talking about a mass murderer. Most people I know who
hate a group based on a prejudice dehumanize them in some way, because
it makes it easier. They're niggers, or kikes, ...or fags. But not
human beings who have a different skin color, religion, or sexuality
from the haters'. This is one of the most dangerous attitudes a
person can have. I *have* seen your side; I was there about seven years
ago, until I thought through what I just said, and met a few "fags"
who were too human to be monsters. So when you say 'why can't you see
my point,' I have. I just came to the conclusion that it's extremely
unfair and potentially destructive, and -- to me -- felt as immoral as
I perceive groups like the White Aryan Resistance to be.
So why aren't you willing to consider my point? Have you had some
bad experience with one gay you're abstracting to others? Or do you
prefer hating them because it's the easiest thing to do?
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From: MAX
To: THE SPECIALIST
Subject: Furrys
Date & Time: 08/19/90 17:22:58
Message Number 7906
Elves are fantasy creatures, so I have no idea what they'd be like
genetically. Reli would have as much in common with your pet Persian
Fluffy as you do with Koko the gorilla; logically, if she's a beast,
then so are humans, because they're both equally removed from their
ancestors. (Of course, it's been argued by others that humans are
beasts anyway, so who knows.)
If you mean I didn't answer your original question as to whether or not
I could have sex with Reli -- yes, I did: on the Armadillo Connection's
"Mythagoras" base. I answered it in some detail, in fact. The short
form is that yes, I most certainly could. Whether or not I would is
a different question entirely, however, and one that I could not
honestly answer.
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From: MAX
To: THRUD
Subject: Laws of...
Date & Time: 08/19/90 17:36:42
Message Number 7907
Given a choice between Jimmy Carter and Jerry Falwell, I'd choose Carter
any day. Of course, I /like/ Carter. I'm glad he's not president
anymore, mind you, but I like him. I have to wonder if, thirty years
from now, when history books look back at the late 20th century,
Carter will be considered a better president than Reagan. Carter lost
the election mostly due to the stupidly-conceived hostage rescue
mission (although to be fair, the idea of sending in a commando squad
sounds closer to a Clint Eastwood movie than the lily-livered "send
flowers, not guns" approach most liberals are accused of); now that
the heat of the moment has died down, his popularity is rising again.
True, his adminstration can be summed up by "In the White House during
the years 1976-1980, nothing happened," but 30 years from now, the
Reagan administration will be remembered mostly for increasing the
deficit by an order of magnitude, and--something that hasn't really
sunk in yet ANYWHERE, liberals or otherwise--having the most corrupt
staff in the nation's history. "But gosh, he shore looked good on
telly-vision."
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From: KEN OBER
To: TURTLE
Subject: Nuke Kids
Date & Time: 08/20/90 01:03:49
Message Number 7911
Yes, but did your friends sing music that obviously glamorized drugs,
and had it played on the radio all over the country?
(Damn, and I'll be out of town for a week .. Grrr .. Can't see responses
to this message ... oh well ..._
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From: BLACK MAGIC
To: TURTLE
Subject: VH-0
Date & Time: 08/20/90 11:21:48
Message Number 7915
Hehehe...you tested me! HMPH! :> I'm in a better mood now, so I
can't really answer that question properly.
The Lady
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From: BLACK MAGIC
To: TURTLE
Subject: Lacey
Date & Time: 08/20/90 11:22:41
Message Number 7916
THPH!
Lady
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From: BLACK MAGIC
To: TURTLE
Subject: S & M
Date & Time: 08/20/90 11:23:15
Message Number 7917
Tough shit...I'm pissed off, not at an action, but at a person. I
don't plan on NOT letting that person know...get the picture...
Lady
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From: BLACK MAGIC
To: YNGLING
Subject: Lacey
Date & Time: 08/20/90 11:25:14
Message Number 7918
:)
Lacey
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From: SNAKEBYTE
To: AJ-<TOPGUN>-
Subject: Association
Date & Time: 08/20/90 12:22:44
Message Number 7920
>I live in the same society and have to deal with them.
How do YOU "deal" with them??? Just curious.....
>Sysop of ALTnet BBS
What's the number???? Probably listed around, I just don't look where
I'm supposed to. Don't read instructions often either...<grin>.
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From: SNAKEBYTE
To: TURTLE
Subject: Association
Date & Time: 08/20/90 12:25:15
Message Number 7921
Get some sleep now, I think this topic is as well....<yawn>...ooops,
its only 12noon, rough night. I *HATE* anything that has to do with
abuse or mis-treatment of children. Saw a special on the news the other
night about some country that has thousands of abandoned children with
AIDS and they are just penned up in cribs in hospital rooms and
ignored until they die. These kids were only 1 or 2 years old. This
guy was trying to make them feel a little loved before they pass away
and just looking at these kids tore me up inside. I even slept with
mine that night, felt good to be with 'em. Man can be a really
heartless bastard at times.......<sob>
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From: SNAKEBYTE
To: TURTLE
Subject: Moral/Popular
Date & Time: 08/20/90 12:32:19
Message Number 7922
I guess in the long run (or the short run) unless you're yelling
"WRONG" and I'm yelling "RIGHT" then we're both one the same side...
...that is the OUTSIDE looking in observing the topic and talking
about it rather omnipotently. I like that. Too many people discuss a
topic and think they're out to prove the opponent WRONG and feel hurt
unless they sway them into "their" beliefs.....too bad. All I need to
know is my opinion is right for me. If I learn otherwise, I'll change
my opinion <grin>.
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From: SNAKEBYTE
To: TURTLE
Subject: Animalism?
Date & Time: 08/20/90 12:37:30
Message Number 7923
I guess the chances of UN-pithing a frog are pretty slim. I used to deal
with Carolina Biological Supply who is one of the countries biggest
suppliers of disecting specimens. The stuff they dealt with was unreal.
They would be sending out truck loads of fetal pigs, squid, rabbits,
frogs, fish...etc,etc,etc. I wonder how many people you could feed
with that much stuff if it weren't being butchered by high school
kids??? Just how much education do you think that contributes too?
What are the chances of numbing a childs fear of carving up an animal
by MAKING him/her do it in school???
"Bobby, where's Spot??? He hasn't eaten his supper...."
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From: SNAKEBYTE
To: JONBOY
Subject: Moral/Popular
Date & Time: 08/20/90 12:42:59
Message Number 7924
>normal "bloodthirsty".....repulsive
Know exactly what you mean!!! We did a project in high school of making
a movie that was a take off of the Grapes of Wrath. Had some film left
over so we shot about twenty minutes in the biology lab with kids
dancing their half-disected rabbits around on the table...guts hangin'
out and stuff. Put it in as an intermission show, kids loved it,
teachers hated it. Kind of sick, but hell, that's life...er, death.
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From: JONBOY
To: ICEFALCON
Subject: Innovation
Date & Time: 08/20/90 17:59:49
Message Number 7925
AhemWhile I adre Steve Vai (fellow string banger and what all) I
would hesitate to put him in the same league as Pink Floyd simply
because they advance music on many fronts while he still masters and
pushes the guitar to the limits. Depeche Mode is very original but
suffer from the desire to cater to the dance crowd.
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From: JONBOY
To: BIG LEW
Subject: Truth
Date & Time: 08/20/90 18:02:33
Message Number 7926
BL>tI believe it is the true Christian's obligation to convert non-belie
Sorry Lew, it is your job simply to spread the Word. In no where does
it state that you are capable of "converting" anyone. It is very
plain that you are simply to present the facts and let God do the rest.
It is also stated that a person is convicted of the Holy Spirit.
I guess what I'm trying to say in a nutshell is that you are a messenger
nothing more nothing less. That's why the Lord told the 70 he sent out
to state the Word and if they were not accepted, to leave shaking the
dust from their sandals to show that they were rejected in turn.
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From: JONBOY
To: BLACK MAGIC
Subject: Association
Date & Time: 08/20/90 18:07:59
Message Number 7927
'Tis true, I personally have found that the real weirdos that are
heavy into S&M have this really peculiar idea that if they persist
you will somehow "learn" to like it. I liken it to the old male
fallacy that "every woman wants ""IT"" and secretly enjoy rape.
That earns my * Unmitigated Bullshit * (tm) stamp every time. Really
makes you wonder if there is a relationship between the two ....
I *do* enjoy feathers tho...
:) JonBoy
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From: JONBOY
To: BLACK MAGIC
Subject: Lacey
Date & Time: 08/20/90 18:11:46
Message Number 7928