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Title: March 2012 interview with Sam Mbah
Author: Sam Mbah
Date: 2012
Language: en
Topics: Nigeria, history, economics, militarism, labor movement, oil, interview
Source: Retrieved on 15 October 2015 from https://sammbah.wordpress.com/2012/08/11/full-text-of-the-march-2012-interview-with-sam-mbah/
Notes: This is a full transcript of an interview with Sam, recorded in March 2012 in Enugu Nigeria. The interviewer, Jeremy, is a member of the Jura Books Collective – an anarchist collective based in Sydney Australia. Audio: https://sammbah.wordpress.com/audio/

Sam Mbah

March 2012 interview with Sam Mbah

Interviewer: It’s my pleasure to introduce Sam Mbah, author of the

groundbreaking book ‘African Anarchism’, a lawyer, a journalist, an

activist. This interview is being recorded in Enugu, Nigeria, in March

2012. Sam, thank you very much for taking the time to do this interview.

Sam: It’s my pleasure Jeremy.

Interviewer: It’s been about 15 years since the publication of your book

on the prospects of anarchism in Africa. What is there, if anything,

that comes to mind that you would add to or change about the book, and

the ideas that you presented in it?

Sam: Yeah, I want to look at the ideas that I would add, not really

change. Ever since the publication of the book I have been collecting

additional materials that I stumble upon in the course of my writings

and research. I think there is room for additions to the book, not

really much to change, or subtract from the work. I think there is room

for additions to the book, and this is something I have already started

in the sense that in the Spanish edition that came out in 2000, I wrote

an extensive foreword, wherein I tried to articulate some of the points

we missed in the original book. I tried to look at more African

societies that shared the same characteristics and features as the Igbo,

the Tiv, the Efik, the Tallensi and the multiplicity of tribes and

social groups that we have in Nigeria that I have already mentioned in

the book. I also tried to explore other groups in other parts of the

world especially Latin America, and I was able to draw some parallels

between their social existence and systems of social organization, and

the characteristics and features of anarchism, as I understand it.

Interviewer: For those of us who haven’t read the book recently, can you

just recap a couple of things about what anarchism means to you and how

is it connected to some of the intrinsic aspects of African culture?

Sam: OK, I pointed out in the book right away that anarchism as an

ideology, as a corpus of ideology, and as a social movement, is removed

to Africa. That was a point I made very explicitly at the outset of the

book. But anarchism as a form of social organization, as a basis of

organizing societies – that is not remote to us. It is an integral part

of our existence as a people. I referred to the communal system of

social organization that existed and still exists in different parts of

Africa, where people live their lives within communities and saw

themselves as integral parts of communities, and which contributed

immensely to the survival of their communities as a unit. I pointed to

aspects of solidarity, aspects of social cohesion and harmony that

existed in so many communal societies in Africa and tried to draw

linkages with the precepts of anarchism, including mutual aid, including

autonomous development of small units, and a system that is not based on

a monetization of the means and forces of production in society. So, I

look back and I feel, like I pointed out earlier, these are things that

if we carry on additional research it would throw more light on how

these societies were able to survive. But again, with the advent of

colonialism and the incorporation African economies and societies into

the global capitalist orbit, some of these things of changed. We’ve

started having a rich class, we’ve started having a class of political

rulers who lord it over and above every other person. We’ve started

having a society that is highly militarized where the the State and

those who control the State share the monopoly of instruments of

violence and are keen to deploy it against the ordinary people. That’s

their business.

Interviewer: In the last few years we’ve definitely seen an increase in

authoritarian rule in many parts of the world, and austerity measures,

in the wake of the September 11th terrorist attacks in the States and

the global financial crisis, more recently. How do you see those issues,

and how have they affected Africa, and the struggle here?

Sam: When I wrote African Anarchism with my friend, we wrote against the

backdrop of three decades of military rule, nearly four decades of

military rule, in Nigeria. Military rule was a form of government that

believed in over-centralization of powers, and dictatorship, as it were,

and it was a strand that evolved from capitalism. So while the Nigerian

society and much of Africa was under the grip of military rule and

military authoritarianism, today we have a nominal civilian

administration, a nominal civilian democracy. Some people have called it

rule democracy, some people have called it dysfunctional democracy, all

kinds of names, seeking to capture the fact that this is far from

democracy. And for me it is an extension of military rule. This is

actually a phase of military rule. Because if you look at democracy in

Nigeria, and the rest of Africa, those who are shaping the course and

future of these democracies are predominantly ex-military rulers, and

their apologists and collaborators within the civilian class.

So, looking at the global stage, capitalism is in crisis. At any rate,

capitalism cannot exist really without crisis. Crisis is the health of

capitalism. This crisis is what many philosophers, from Marx to Hegel to

Lenin to Kropotkin to Emma Goldman, and more currently Noam Chomsky have

spoken extensively about: the tendency for crisis on the part of

capitalism. So, between the coming of ‘African Anarchism’ and today, we

have seen 911, the so-called ‘war on terror’, the financial crisis of

2007-2008, today we’re faced with a major global economic crisis that is

reminiscent of the great depression of the 1930s. And there is no

absolute guarantee that, even if the global economy emerges from this

crisis, it will not relapse into another, because the tendency towards

crisis is an integral part of capitalism. For us, here, these historical

developments have had a serious impact on our society, our economy, our

government.

If we begin from the 911 incident, today the world is under the grip of

terror and counter-terrorism as well. Here in Nigeria in the past one

year, the country has commonly experienced bombings, explosives, we are

seeing everyday increasingly everyday there is a bomb set off in one

place. And how does the Nigerian State react? It reacts with more force,

and in the process of using more force it creates collateral damages and

casualties all over the place. So we are not immune from the ravages of

terrorism and the ‘war on terrorism’ which the West embarked upon, after

911. Our country is well under the grip of terror. And it is ironical

that any moment there is a bomb that explodes somewhere, the government

shouts, ‘this is terrorism! this is terrorism!’ But the hard line

tendencies of government and the agencies of the State which use undue

force and undue violence in resolving issues that would otherwise have

been resolved without any loss of life – these are glossed over and seen

as being normal. But any moment a bomb is set off anywhere, the

government counters that this is terrorism. I would say that government,

the State, in Africa, is the greatest source of terror. The State in

Africa is the greatest source of terrorism. I think that the society

would be a lot better, the day the State ceases from acting and

deploying its agencies as instruments of terror against the ordinary

population, and the common people.

So, the global economic crisis, the global capitalist crisis, has

impacted negatively on African economies, including Nigeria – because we

are part and parcel of the global capitalist system, albeit we are

unequal partners in the global capitalist exchange. Our economy is

dependent on commodities. Our economy is a mono-crop one. Anything that

happens to oil is bound to have a crisis effect on us. And that is one

of the reasons why you saw Nigerians and the Nigerian State in a

stand-off at the beginning of this year [2012], over phantom subsidies

which the government said it wanted to remove, and which people

protested.

Interviewer: Could you explain a bit more about the fuel-tax subsidy for

those who aren’t familiar with how it works in Nigeria?

Sam: OK. The fuel tax, or what the Nigerian government calls the ‘fuel

subsidy’, assumes that the government is subsidizing the cost of fuel

for the citizenry. That the Nigerian people are not paying a realistic

value for fuel in the country. But the counter-argument is that we are

an oil-producing country, and there is no reason why the cost of fuel

should be based on the global or international market. We have

refineries, we have about four refineries that collectively have a

refining capacity of about 500,000 barrels per day. But you find that in

the past twenty years these refineries have not functioned. They have

not functioned because of corruption. They have not functioned because

the powers that be in the country are not interested in these refineries

functioning. The only reason why these refineries are not functioning is

because there is corruption and a lot of people in government, in the

military and in the bureaucracy, are benefitting from the wholesale

importation of refined petroleum product. Nigeria is about the only OPEC

country that imports 100% of its refined petroleum needs.

Interviewer: So at the beginning of this year [2012]…

Sam: So the ordinary people in Nigeria are saying, if our refineries

were working, and they refined our crude, the government should be able

to say at what cost this crude, these products are refined. And based on

the cost of refining you can now set a price. That insofar as you have

not been able to make the refineries functional, and you are fixing the

cost of petroleum products on the basis of what it is in the

international markets, you are making a grave mistake. Because the cost

of living in Nigeria is different from the cost of living in United

States. So the government says, ‘We pay so much to the importers of

petroleum products as subsidy’ – that means the difference between the

cost of importation and the selling price of the refined product. But

you find out that even those who have been in government, even ministers

of petroleum products, came out to say that much of what you pay as

subsidy is based on corrupt documentation, which the government does not

investigate, which the government does not in any way try to clarify,

which involves senior officials of the organs and agencies that are

supposed to regulate the petroleum industry. They are the ones who are

paying these huge sums to themselves and to their companies. Let me

illustrate the concept of the oil subsidy by one reference. The Nigerian

government allows a multiplicity of traders to bring in petroleum

products. They buy refined petroleum products from a multiplicity of

international traders, when in fact the Nigerian National Petroleum

Corporation – the NPC – which is our national oil company, can enter

into purchase agreements with refineries that exist abroad, and get

these refined products directly from refineries. Instead, they prefer to

go through middle men, who get the refined products from refineries, and

sell them to NPC at exorbitant rates.

Interviewer: So what happened at the beginning of the year [2012]?

Sam: At the beginning of the year the government wanted to supposedly

deregulate the downstream sector of the oil industry. And labour and

civil society groups protested, and resisted such a move. In the event,

a two week strike was called. During those two weeks, the people stayed

away from work, the people protested in the streets of Lagos, Kaduna,

Port Harcourt, Kano, Ibadan, in different parts of the country. And

because the government sensed the resolve of ordinary Nigerians to

resist these arbitrary increases, the government backed down somewhat,

by bringing down the over 100% increase in prices of petroleum products

to about 30%. And of course the labor movement practically sold out,

because the civil society and the mass of the population were prepared

to go on with the protest and refuse the pay the 30% increase, but labor

sold out, and that is where we are today.

I would say, it is an unfinished struggle. My sense is that the

government still intends to achieve its objective which is 100% increase

in the price of petroleum products. But if there is anybody in

government who is still thinking, who is still moved by any sense of

objectivity, they would have seen that the resolve of Nigerians to

resist these arbitrary increases based on false analysis of what subsidy

constitutes, is something they cannot wish away. The people are also

mobilizing. Just as the government is devising other strategies through

which it will increase the price of petroleum through the back door, the

people are reviewing the last encounter and trying to find out what

other ways they can employ that advance their cause.

Interviewer: In that massive and very inspiring mobilization, there were

elements of reflection of some of the global movements we’ve seen

recently, some part of the protest was called ‘Occupy Nigeria’. We’ve

seen the explosion of the Occupy movement and the Arab Spring, what do

you think of those?

Sam: Yeah, yeah, the Occupy movement in parts of America and Europe has

really inspired a lot of people in Nigeria. The resolve and the courage

that has been demonstrated by the Occupy movement in different parts of

America and European capitals, is a pointer to the endless possibilities

that abound if people decide to struggle. The Arab Spring on its part,

has been a most refreshing experience for those of us in Africa.

Actually, I’ve had conversations with my friends and I try to point out

the fact that the Arab Spring should have been happening in sub-Saharan

Africa, rather than in the Arab world, in North Africa, because the

abject conditions of living in Africa [are much worse than] the

relatively advanced standards of living in most of the Arab countries

and even our neighbors in North Africa. So the Arab spring should have

been happening in sub-Saharan Africa. That is my sense. But why is it

not happening? It is because we have not been able to turn our anger

into resolve, we have not been able to build the requisite social

consciousness, to be able to instigate and sustain such a struggle.

But based on what happened in Nigeria recently, I have no doubt that

people are beginning to draw lessons from what is happening in the Arab

world. And asking themselves some searching questions – if it can happen

in the Arab world, why not us? If people who are living in better social

conditions can elect to fight, to struggle, to protest in the streets,

for days and months on end, how about us who cannot even find light.

Light in Nigeria is a luxury. Our economy is a generator-set economy.

[The State electricity grid functions very poorly; the rich use private

electricity generators.] You virtually provide your own water, you

provide your own security. Nothing works here. Unlike if you were to go

to Libya. I’ve not been, but I’ve read stories about Libya, Egypt,

Tunisia. These are better organised societies, where social amenities

and public utilities function. But here we are in sub-Saharan Africa

where nothing works. So, I can say without any fear of contradiction

that the protests in Nigeria in January, were an offshoot of the Occupy

movement in America and Europe, as well as an offshoot of the Arab

Spring. So, I don’t know whether our protests have gotten to the point

where we can call it a ‘Nigerian Spring’, but I guess that the Nigerian

Spring will still come.

Interviewer: Sam, climate change is a major threat to Nigerians, as it

is to everyone else on the planet. What are some of the specific

environmental issues here, and what sort of consciousness is there of

climate justice, and sustainable development?

Sam: I’ll answer your question from two perspectives. Let me answer it

with the general perspective and then I’ll come to the more personal

perspective. The threat of climate change is real. We, in this part of

the world, are not immune from the threats of climate change. If we take

a look around us, the humidity levels are rising. In recent times, where

I live (I live in a small bungalow of three rooms), if there is no light

[no electricity, no fan], I can hardly sleep. My children can hardly

sleep, except during the rainy season, it becomes a lot more manageable

during the rainy season. Because what makes it even worse is that our

light, our electricity situation, is in fits and pieces. I’ve found that

in the past three or four years, between the months of March and April,

before the rains start all over again, I am sweating like I have never

sweated in all my life. I am seeing increasing levels of temperature

that I did not see while I was growing up, and even in the 80s and 90s.

Over the past five years, one has had to live with very sweltering

temperatures. And the sources of this are not far-fetched.

If you look around, the forests that used to exist… If I go to my

village, there used to be very deep forests, where little children would

even find it very difficult to enter. Today most of these forests are no

more. The little trees and mini forests that exist are being logged on a

daily basis, and there is no form of check on logging. If you go to the

villages, logging is taking place at very ridiculous levels. There is no

agency of government in this part of the country that is doing anything

to regulate it, to curtail it, to minimize it. So trees are being cut as

never before and nobody is doing anything to replace these trees. The

forest cover is increasingly going down and in our own part of the

country where the population density is probably the highest in Africa

outside the Niger Delta, we find that human activity is impacting

seriously and negatively on the environment. People are building

uncontrollably, roads are being built, bushes are being burnt. There is

deforestation on a massive scale. And one of the consequences of

deforestation in our part of the country is erosion, of soil, gullies,

even roads in some places have been cut in two. Then of course the

streams and rivers and rivulets that used to contain a lot of aquatic

life are today drying up. There’s a stream that lies about 200 metres

from my country home in the village. When I was growing up I never saw

it dry up. But in the past ten years, if the rains fail to fall between

February, March, and April, times when the stream dries up.

Interviewer: And how are people thinking about that, because people want

to see development, but how can that be justified with sustainability?

Sam: The ordinary people do not have an accurate consciousness of what

is happening. They are blaming evil forces, unseen hands and all kinds

of metaphysical objects for these happenings and these developments. And

it is actually up to the government to educate the people about the

negative consequences of deforestation, of unbalanced utilization of

resources, about the benefits of a planned, sustainable development –

both for the individual and for the society at large. But the government

is not doing much in this area. There is actually a dearth of public

enlightenment and conscientization on the principle issues.

And you find also that in our villages, the lands that used to be

fertile are not producing as much food, as much crops, as they used to.

These are the consequences of climate change.

Yes, at the level of the elite, of the enlightened few, there is a

realization that yes, something is wrong. But at the level of ordinary

people, there is no conscientization, no effort to enable them to

understand that it is in their interests to ensure that they protect

their environment.

Interviewer: You mentioned the Niger Delta. That is one area in Nigeria

where the struggle over environment and oil has been particularly acute,

with massive oil spills but also militant activity which has had a real

impact on oil production and trying to reclaim some of the wealth from

oil for people. What are your views on the activities of militants in

the Niger Delta?

Sam: The activities of militants should not be viewed in isolation. The

activities of militants is consequent upon the exploitative tendencies

of oil companies operating in the Niger Delta, who are not adhering to

international best practices that they continue to observe elsewhere

around the world. In Nigeria, because they are complicit with the

Nigerian state and the government, they carry on as they wish. They

carry on as if tomorrow does not exist. They carry on because there is

nobody to call them to order, to hold them to account. So the emergence

of the militant groups in the Niger Delta is consequent upon the

exploitative practices and tendencies, and the absolute lack of care for

the environment in the exploration, drilling and production of most of

the oil companies operating in the Niger Delta.

So, if viewed against this background, the militant groups are

responding to a clear and present threat to the existence of communities

in the Niger Delta. When we were growing up, we grew up to learn that

most of the villages, tribes and social groups in the Niger Delta were

essentially fishermen. But with the constant oil spills, despoliation of

the environment, the denudation of the fauna and the aquatic life of the

Niger Delta, much of the fishing industry has disappeared. Much of the

farming and agricultural activities taking place there have also

disappeared.

So, when you have robbed a people of their environment, how, in good

conscience, do you expect them to survive? To continue to exist as a

people. You see, our people have a saying that nature has placed at the

disposal of every group a means of survival. I’ll give you an example.

In the south-east, in Igboland for instance, our people survive mostly

on our land. We survive on our palm trees, our people make palm oil, our

people farm, this is the basic means of subsistence. If you go to the

North, they do not have palm trees. They survive on other firms of

agriculture, like planting onions, planting yams, and also pastoral

existence. If you go to Niger Delta, the basic means of subsistence is

fishing, and some forms of agriculture and farming too. So if we agree

that nature has placed at the disposal of every group some forms of

sustenance, we are witnessing a situation where the means of sustenance

of much of the Niger Delta has been taken away. Through the activities

of oil companies who are not minded on any form of corporate social

responsibility.

So, that is the context in which I view the militancy that sprung up in

the Niger Delta from the late 1990s till today. Yes, most of the

militant groups engage in all forms of criminality and banditry as well,

which do not in any way serve the interests of ordinary Niger Deltans.

And that is condemnable, but it does not in any way vitiate the original

sin that pushed them into further sin.

Interviewer: Yes. Speaking of sin, Nigeria is quite a religious society.

Religion is very deeply ingrained here. And often it takes quite

conservative, sometimes violent forms. What are your thoughts on

religion in Nigeria and what it means for anarchism and organising more

broadly?

Sam: I’ll say that religion and religious practices have entered a new

phase in Nigeria. Before the advent of colonialism, our people were

mostly African religionists, who worship our small gods – gods of

thunder, gods of river, and such other gods. With the coming of

colonialism, the two main global religions – Islam and Christianity –

became a predominant force in the lives of Nigerians.

The rivalry and competition between the two religions has tended to play

down the fact that not all Nigerians are Christians or Muslims. Even in

the North-central, you are talking about pagan tribes and different

forms of African religion that take place in those places. But today

Nigeria is profiled and stereotyped as a Christian South and a Muslim

North. Yet if you go to the North you find a lot of non-adherents to

Islam, you come to the South as well you find a lot of non-adherents to

Christianity.

But I would say that in the past 20-30 years the singular influence of

Christianity and Islam has been considerably negative on the society in

the sense that both religions have become sources of manipulation,

political manipulation of ordinary people. When you hear that there is a

religious riot in the North, a religious riot in the East, when you go

down and examine the issues, they are not basically religious.

Politicians are using religion to manipulate the ordinary people into

fighting for the political positions and beliefs of the elite.

Religion has become an instrument of manipulation, exploitation, deceit,

and large-scale blindfolding of ordinary people in Nigeria. It is one of

the elements militating against social consciousness and the development

of the working class, as a class, in Nigeria. The development of a class

of the dispossessed, the oppressed, the marginalized, who feel and share

common interests and are keen to fight for those common interests.

Religion is thrown in as a wedge, as a source of conflict among ordinary

people. Like Karl Marx said, religion becomes the opium of society.

Every little thing is covered, is given a religious coloration, when it

is actually not. It is a tremendous setback to the development of social

consciousness in Nigeria and the rest of Africa as a whole.

Interviewer: Yes. You’ve already touched on it, but those religious

divisions are often related to (but not solely related to) ethnic

divisions, and race, and gender as dividing people from each other. What

are your thoughts about that?

Sam: Well the problem we have is not really race as such, it is about

religion, it is about ethnicity. Much of religion in Nigeria and Africa

is geographical. You find that religion tends to conform to certain

ethnic boundaries. When you hear about a Fulani, you imagine a Muslim.

When you hear about an Igboman, you imagine a Catholic Christian. When

you talk about the man from the middle belt of Nigeria, you’re talking

about an evangelical Christian. So, much of our religious differences

have become geographical in nature, in the sense that certain ethnic

boundaries are coherent also with certain religions. The people have

been made to see these differences as permanent features of life, not

things you can overcome. The truth is that before the commodification of

exchange and the means of sustenance in our society, before the

monetization of the economy, people related with one another, and did

not mind about religious differences. Everybody believed your religion

ought to be a personal issue to you. But with the politicization of

religion, the way we are seeing it today, social differences have been

magnified by politicians, who use it to manipulate and control the mass

of the population.

Interviewer: And what about gender? Is there a change in the struggle

for women’s liberation?

Sam: The struggle for women’s liberation in Nigeria and the rest of

Africa has come a long way. In the sense that, our society, which is

patriarchal in nature, emphasises the role of the man. In many African

societies, as I tried to point out in my book, the role of women is

diminished, reduced to almost to footnotes. But the truth is that even

in traditional African societies, if I use the tradtional Igbo society

as an example, the role of the women is critical, is central to the

creation of balance and social harmony. But most of the time it is

underplayed.

Interviewer: You’re talking about the role women play as leaders?

Sam: Yes. You might not believe it, but let me tell you something – one

of the less obvious manifestations of African society. In traditional

African societies, in traditional Igbo society, for example, a woman who

is unable to give birth for the husband, assuming the husband dies, and

the woman is faced with the reality of not continuing the lineage at her

own death, it was common for women who find themselves in this

situation, to marry another woman. So when Africans say lesbianism, or

women marrying women, or men marrying men, is not traditional to us, any

clear-headed political analyst, anthropologist or sociologist in this

part of the world, would know in Igbo society it was common for women to

marry women, when faced with that situation in the absence of their

husband, and be seen as the wife of the older woman. Maybe the older

woman might also bring a man who sleeps with the younger woman and

begins to raise offspring for the memory of the late husband.

The traditional African society would not achieve balance and harmony

without the role of the women. Their role was critical to the resolution

of disputes. In Igbo resolution of land disputes, family disputes, and

intractable social issues, the views of women, especially those who were

seen as women who have made some achievement materially was continually

sought by the men folk in traditional African societies.

Moving away from traditional African society to the present day,

education has been the critical force in the liberation of women. Women

go to school, in Igboland today there are more women in school than men.

Because the men go off to do business, trading activities. Increasingly,

in many primary and secondary schools the number of female pupils

outnumbers the males. Many families have realized that if you train

women, you train a nation, if you train a man, in some cases, you are

just training an individual.

The importance of women in our society is continually being reasserted.

The courts of law have played some role in trying to liberate women from

being the underlings of society. In Igboland in the past, women could

not inherit the estate of their fathers, even if they were the only

children of their parents. There is now a court document that says a man

can make a will and devolve his estate among his male and female

children equally. In cases where the man did not have male issues, he

can devolve his estate among his female children.

So we’ve recognized some advance. There is virtually no course in

university where you do not find some women folk – medicine,

engineering, geology, computer science, not just the humanities and

arts. Women are everywhere, even in the military. But I would say still,

given the fact that our society is 50% male, 50% female, there is still

a lot room for improvement for women. It is an ongoing struggle. It is

not something that is likely going to end. The momentum we have have

achieved is such that the future looks very very bright indeed for

women’s liberation and gender equality in our society.

Interviewer: Sam, you played a very important role in the ‘Awareness

League’, which was a Nigerian anarchist organization that flourished in

the 1990s. Can you tell us a bit about how it grew and how it declined?

Sam: It’s a little nostalgic for me these days, talking about the

Awareness League, because the Awareness League was a romantic idea. When

we entered the universities in the early 80s, what we encountered was

socialist groups, socialist teaching, Marxist teaching especially. And

we became attracted to Marxism, in the sense that it preached the coming

of a new dawn in society, and by extension, the African continent. We

were really enthralled by the perspectives of Marxism, and the abiding,

thorough critique of capitalism that Marx and Marxist literature

embodied. It did not take much time before we defined ourselves as

Marxists on campus, and this continued until we left the universities.

When I was leaving university I wrote a thesis in my final year on the

political economy of Nigeria’s external debt crisis then, and in the

thesis, it might interest you to know, I employed the Marxist framework,

as my tool of analysis. Where Marx was talking about the economy as

providing the axis around which the further movement in society

revolved, whether it was politics, or culture. I also talked about the

tendency of capitalism towards crisis. These were ideas that enthralled

us. Also the ideas of revolution. Marx said that the history of all

hitherto existing societies has been the history of class struggle, and

talked about the revolution being the midwife of a new society, giving

birth to a new one.

Usually in Nigeria, after your graduation from university, you are

obliged to take part in a mandatory one year service. So I was posted to

the old Oyo state with its capital at Ibadan, for the mandatory one year

national service. It was there that I met a couple of socialist-minded

young men like myself, and we started organising and talking about

Marxism, socialism, leftist resistance. We identified ourselves

essentially as a leftist organization. In the course of that, some of us

started subscribing to ‘The Torch’ newspaper, published in New York. It

was there we started gleaning for the first time, the initial ideas of

anarchism. That was how, gradually, when we finished our national

service, some of us who were living in the south-east, started thinking

about an enduring platform. Because socialism even then was entering a

serious crisis. The crisis of the Soviet empire was brewing. It was not

long thereafter that communism collapsed in Europe. And it was in the

midst of this crisis that we started increasingly vacilating towards

anarchism. Subsequently, Awareness League was born, and the rest is

history.

The Awareness League first of all, derived its lifeblood from the

resistance against military rule in Nigeria. The continuation of

military rule acted as a spore. It was one of the inclusions that

continued to give oxygen to our existence then as Awareness League. It

is on record that between the late 1980s and the late 1990s, Nigeria

witnessed the toughest anti-military struggle. Awareness League joined

forces with other anti-military groups in resisting military rule in

Nigeria. It was in the process of coming into touch with a lot of

anarcho-syndicalist groups around the world, in Europe and America ,

that I and my friend decided to intellectualise the the subject of

anarchism by producing a book, which you very well know.

The struggle against military rule ended with the coming of civilian

rule in 1999. I would say that the antagonism of not only the Awareness

League but all the civil society, community-based groups, and leftist

organizations in the country, virtually evaporated. Because the military

was a uniting factor, I would say, in the sense that every person –

whether you were anarchist, Marxist, leftist, socialist – saw in the

military a common enemy to be resisted, to be opposed, to be overthrown

if possible. With the coming of civilian government, we did not have

that kind of common enemy any longer. Because some of the groups, some

individuals from these groups, now started gravitating towards bourgeois

politics. But let me say that for the most part, the problem was not

individuals gravitating towards bourgeois politics, it was really that

the civil society groups, the leftist groups and organizations, were not

prepared for the consequences of [civilian] rule. We did not analyze in

a serious sense what would be the consequences of the end of military

rule and the coming of civilian rule, in the place of the military. We

took it for granted that it would be business as usual. But as it

happened, the end of military rule singularly signaled the end of most

of these community-based, civil-society-based groups. Most of these

groups, including the Awareness League, fragmented.

By the dawn of the new millennium, we were just a few individuals left,

trying to grapple with the reality of social existence and political

developments in our country. Some of our members have had to go back to

school, taking up teaching appointments at some universities, some are

grappling with the realities of survival and existence in our kind of

society. I personally have been having health challenges – it’s not

something I want to broadcast – but I’ve been having some health

challenges. Between 2007 and 2009, I had serious health challenges. For

me, I find that it is impossible to recreate Awareness League in the

circumstances that we find ourselves in today.

So perhaps, I said to myself, we cannot recreate Awareness League, but

we must maintain some form of interaction among ourselves, we must

continue to interact with others in civil society. We must continue to

engage, even with those in power, in some form of call to account. And

we must devise more realistic ways of being relevant in society and

trying to make a difference in our respective communities and in society

at large.

So I have since then, gone into trying to join hands with some people in

trying to create a non-governmental organisation known as Tropical

Watch. Concerned essentially with issues of sustainable development and

environment, including climate change. In the process also we have been

drawn into some anti-corruption fights, anti-corruption struggles in our

society. Because we find that one of the greatest threats to sustainable

development is corruption. Corruption makes it impossible for resources

to be allocated in a judicial, transparent manner. Such that all sectors

of the economy, all sectors of the society, would benefit. It is

corruption that makes it impossible for governments to check

uncontrolled logging in different communities for instance. It is

corruption that makes it impossible for contacts awarded for road

construction, for provision of water, for sanitation and things like

that to be exhibited. In so far as corruption exists, it is impossible

to create a harmonious balance between resource utilization and the

existence of our environment and societies. So these are some of the

things that I personally, in conjunction with some other friends and

like-minded individuals, have been trying to create.

But it has not been easy. Because, like I told you, what happened to

Awareness League is not unique – it happened to every single other civil

society group, every other organic social organization in the country

that took part in the anti-military struggle. I’ll give you another

example, one of the largest NGOs in Nigeria over the past 15-20 years,

has been the Civil Liberties Organisation. It was a body dedicated to

fighting for human rights, constitutional rule, and fighting against

police violence and all forms of violence against civilians, women and

children. The Civil Liberties Organisation (CLO) grew in leaps and

bounds so that they had offices in all different parts of Nigeria. But I

can tell you: in the past seven or eight years, the CLO has almost been

dead. Actually, what we are seeing is more or less a ghost, because

there is no state in Nigeria where their office is functional any

longer. The man who used to be the zonal director here in Enugu has

virtually been left to fend for himself. They haven’t paid the rent on

their office in the past five years. So what I’m trying to say is that

what happened to Awareness League is what happened most other

organizations. Even Tropical Watch is still trying to find its feet.

Interviewer: What about working-class organizations in Nigeria, trade

unions, to what extent can they be reclaimed as vehicles for

working-class struggle?

Sam: The trade unions in Nigeria were particularly very active in the

early anti-colonial struggle. I told you some time ago about the

struggles of the coal miners here in Enugu, Enugu was the coal mining

capital of Nigeria. During the anti-colonial struggle for independence,

the colonial masters killed about 49 coal miners here in this city, who

were struggling against the exploitative tendencies of the managers of

the mines. It was a landmark development during the anti-colonial

struggle in this part of Nigeria. I told you about the city of Jos,

where you had a flourishing tin mining industry, the workers were

well-organized. The mining industries became a pedestal for unionizing

in the country, including the regular civil service. At the turn of

independence, we had a fairly sizable working-class trade-unionism

taking place in the country, and this continued until the advent of

military rule.

Military rule stultified the development of trade unionism in the

country. They were able to do this by invoking primordial sentiments,

religion, tribalism and issues of regionalism as well, to divide and

rule, to manipulate workers. Depending on which government was in power.

The trade union movement in Nigeria – towards the dying days of military

rule – tried to regain its voice, started calling major national

strikes, started organizing on a national scale.

But I can tell you that the fortunes of trade unionism has been hampered

by the deindustrialization process that has continued taking place in

the country, since the dying days of military rule. Most industries have

folded up. One of the largest employers of labor in this country used to

be the textile industry. It is no more. The textile industry has been

wiped away completely. We now depend for our textile materials on cheap

textile materials coming from China, neighboring countries, India. The

textile industry used to employ more than 200,000 workers across the

country. The automobile industry used to have assembly plants – here in

Enugu Anammco, Peugeot was in Kaduna, Peleot was in Bauchi, Volkswagen

was in Lagos. All these assembly plants have closed down. We used to

have a trident steel sector in [a number of places]. They’ve all closed

shop. So there has been massive deindustrialization in the country in

the past 20 years, and it has affected the fortunes of workers.

So the core of the workers we have today are either in the civil

service, the banking sector, or the petroleum industry. The workers in

the petroleum sector see themselves as being favored souls. So they

hardly take part in their union activities, except the junior staff. The

same thing also in the banking industry, in fact one of the codes of

practice was that you don’t take part in union organising. For upwards

of 10-20 years the workers accepted it. But since the first failure of

banks in Nigeria, which took place in the late 1990s, the junior workers

in the banks are beginning to organise again. But they’re no longer as

effective. So basically, what you have as unions in Nigeria, are

basically the civil servants. And you will agree with me that the

industrial experience is based in industrial workplaces, not in offices.

Not in air-conditioned offices and white-collar tables.

So the state of union activities today in Nigeria is deplorable. And

most union leaders see their positions from the point of view of their

career. They think of their career first and foremost, before anything

else. It is one of the key factors that affected the last nation-wide

protests, in the sense that the leadership of the Nigerian Labour

Congress capitulated at the last minute.

Let me also point out that the professional groups in Nigeria – the

medical doctors, the bar association, the architects society, the

society of engineers and similar professional groups are not minded on

working-class organising and development. They start from the

perspective of seeing themselves as being privileged members of society.

Even though the circumstances of a significant proportion of their

members is the same as that of ordinary Nigerians. For them there is no

incentive to begin to organize. Instead what a person is trying to do

among the professional groups is trying to see how he can use the system

to advance his personal or group interests.

Interviewer: Sam, I wanted to ask, what are some of the things that the

people who are active – the rank and file activists in unions, or people

like yourself in Tropical Watch or civil society organizations – what

are some of the things that people do to try and build the struggle?

Like practical day-to-day tasks, what do people spend their time doing

to try to build up social struggle?

Sam: We, the activists, try to meet. We try to hold workshops. There are

some workshops that we hold or are sponsored by donor agencies, that

bring together activists. We have had seminars and workshops in the

areas of police brutality, police violence, gender violence, climate

change, you know. These seminars and workshops in a way try to bring

together activists of all persuasions. And from time to time, arising

from social, economic and political developments around us, we try to

set up meetings among groups and individuals, and see if we can work out

areas of agreement and see if we can build up on that.

But I must be fair to you, especially here in the south-east, we have

not been able to build a virile civil society in this part of the

country. The people in Lagos have been able to create better models

essentially because they have greater experience in this field, arising

from the years of military rule. The people in Abuja are doing well as

well, because since the movement of the seat of government to Abuja, we

have witnessed the concentration of activists organising to hold the

government accountable in one way or another. But we have not been so

lucky here. I guess that part of the problem is that most people are

concerned with the struggle for everyday survival. But I reckon that

this is not enough of an excuse to give for not being able to organize.

The experience of one of our comrades Osmond Ugwu who, not too long ago,

has been a victim of state high-handedness. He came out to organise

workers, to protest against non-implementation of the minimum wage. The

minimum wage was a national policy of the PDP government, and a national

minimum wage act was passed by both chambers of the national assembly.

All the states in the country were now obliged to implement the minimum

wage, to bring it into practice in their respective states. But the

governor here in Enugu refused to implement it. Or decided that he was

going to delay the terms of implementation. And when Osmond and one or

two of his comrades tried to organise the workers, to sensitize them on

resisting this harassment by the government, he was incarcerated. It is

instructive to note that while Osmond was trying to mobilize the

workers, the leadership of the Nigerian Labour Congress here was

collaborating with the state government and negotiating away the rights

of workers to organize. Ultimately he paid the price by being sent to

jail and being tried on trumped up charges. It was not until the the

later part of January this year [2012] that he was released. Based

essentially on the protests mounted by Amnesty International. And today

he still faces a criminal charge which is as ridiculous as anything can

be. This underlines the threats faced by those who struggle to create a

new society in our kind of environment.

Interviewer: One last question Sam: how do you conceptualize global

solidarity? I mean, how best can activists in so-called ‘developed’

countries support activists in the majority world, and vice versa?

Sam: Yeah, the activism in the developed world can do a lot really to

stir up the consciousness of people here. But I guess that at the end of

the day, the people here must take responsibility for our lives, must

take responsibility for resisting autocratic governments, must take

responsibility for seeking to hold them accountable as well.

People in the metropolitan world can assist us by trying to help us

build capacity. You see, the civil society groups here are not quite at

home with the tools of modern communication – the social media – which

has played a very important role in the Occupy movement in different

parts of Europe and America, and in the Arab Spring. You’d be surprised

that the Nigerian protest was not significantly boosted by social media.

Yes, there were instances when social media came into play, but our

notion of social media here is going to your email box and replying to

email or going to your own Facebook. That is the notion of the average

Nigerian about social media. But [it is more difficult to learn] how we

can utilize twitter or YouTube, to upload pictures and things, how do I

create a blog that is easily accessible to other activists who have

access to the net?

It is true of course that the Internet access here is still developing.

By my own reckoning, is still under 20% of the population. Or much much

much less than that. Yes, people have some Internet access when it comes

to going to their email box, replying to messages, sending messages,

maybe Facebook. But if you’re talking of social struggle and the net,

the Internet access rate is less than 10%.

So people from the metropolitan world can really help us by trying to

create capacity in the tools for social media communication. That is

very critical if we must make progress in organising and even in

building solidarity with the outside world. If we have access to these

tools, it becomes much easier to keep in touch with the rest of the

world, and for the rest of the world to know exactly the true situation

of what is happening here. People should be able to, from their

respective areas, not just the urban areas, to be able to take pictures

and upload on the net and try to make as much capital out of them as

possible.

Interviewer: Yes. Is there anything else you wanted to add before we

wrap up?

Sam: Yeah, I want to say a few words to our anarchist friends and groups

that in the past associated with us, supported us, in one way or

another, especially from Europe and North America. I say to them that

anarchism is not dead in Africa. But it is important for them to

appreciate that anarchism as a movement, as a political movement, as an

ideological platform, is still going to take some time to crystallize

here. But in the mean time, we must continue to engage with the rest of

the society. We must continue to interrogate the government in debates

where we can achieve. That is what informed some of us going into

non-governmental organizations. When you talk to people about about

anarchism in this part of the world they are like, ‘Well? What is it

about? Ah, no no no anarchism is about disorder, chaos, confusion.’ Of

course when you do the intellectual analysis of social organization and

how this [incorrect understanding of anarchism] conforms to anarchist

principles [of how ideology controls people], you can make sense of it.

It is difficult in this part of the world to begin to build a movement

based on anarchist principles alone. But we can build a movement based

on trying to hold the government accountable, trying to fight for the

environment, trying to fight for gender equality, trying to fight for

human rights. Because these are minimum principles on which a broad

swathe of the population agree, and it makes sense for us to continue to

interact and interrogate social existence and public policy on this

basis. And seek to ensure that civil society is not extinguished

completely. While also those of us who genuinely believe in anarchism

will continue to organise and develop tools of organisation that will

some day lead to the emergence of an anarchist movement.

Interviewer: Yes. Thank you Sam. You’ve given us a lot to think about.

And I think that with people around who are as knowledgeable and

critical and active as you, there is a lot of hope for building the sort

of movement that you talk about.

Sam: Thank you Jeremy.