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Title: Chumbas chill out
Author: Solidarity Federation
Date: Spring 1998
Language: en
Topics: interview, music, Direct Action Magazine
Source: Retrieved on November 30, 2004 from https://web.archive.org/web/20041130181935/http://www.directa.force9.co.uk/archive/da6-features.htm
Notes: Published in Direct Action #6 — Spring 1998.

Solidarity Federation

Chumbas chill out

Welcome to Chumbaworld! John Prescott may not wear his Chumbawamba

T-shirts any more but their 15 year overnight success means some people

are. While the gutter press try to make up their minds whether they are

cuddly or dangerous, DA lets Alice Nutter of the band speak for herself

when we caught up with them before a recent gig.

DA: Did you anticipate accusations of selling out by writing the song

“The Good Ship Lifestyle” (on the recent album Tubthumping). Have you

got that sort of reaction now you’re famous?

Alice: No, well the whole album (Tubthumping) was written before we

signed to EMI anyway. Have you seen that pamphlet “The circled A and its

parasites” ? We wrote it about that, and about some people’s puritanical

take on the world. We wanted to say it isn’t OK to be like that, that

we’ve got to live and fight in the real world.

DA: So you aren’t getting loads of hassle for going “mainstream”?

Alice: On the whole, people have been into it, because I think they know

that if we weren’t on Top of The Pops, then they wouldn’t hear us at

all. This time last year we didn’t have a record deal at all. Even

before we’d signed to EMI and any of that stuff, I was going to

political meetings and some people are funny because you’re in a band.

But if you recognise that you’re part of a community — except that you

have access to the media for two minutes of your life — that’s how we

see it. We know the people who do all the hard work get no fucking glory

at all.

DA: The mainstream press seem to enjoy casting you as a “controversial”

band but seem to pick up on things like references to drinking in lyrics

rather than the political content of your music.

Alice: Did you hear that stuff last week about Virgin taking our records

off the shelves? I did this crap TV debate in America which went out

live across the country. I was the loony in the corner arguing against

capitalism, and shoplifting came up. I said we wouldn’t mind if people

shoplifted our records from major chainstores. Their argument against it

was that no-one needs to shoplift a record, it’s not food, but why

should just the rich have access to culture?

DA: Will Virgin put your records back on the shelves?

Alice: To be honest, I don’t really care. People are throwing money at

us, or are trying to. Nike offered between ÂŁ1 and ÂŁ3 million to do them

a song for the world cup and we told them to tuck off. We don’t need it.

Not that we’ve got millions, but we’ll do stuff if there’s a point. We

did an advert for Renault in Italy and gave the money to Italian

anarchist radio stations. If there’s a point to taking the money and

getting into the mainstream, then we’ll do it. But we’re not going to

take Nike’s money. Even if you give £3 million away, you’re still

financing the sweatshops and that’s a dilemma that you can’t live with.

So we got in touch with the anti-Nike group and said, “do you want a

song for free?”

DA: How far do you think it’s possible to use the press for yourselves,

and how far do they think they’re using you?

Alice: You can’t control it, we’re not on the same side. The Sun and the

Mirror have got us in all the time but I wouldn’t wipe my arse on them.

I read the Mirror sometimes but I don’t like it. We don’t even try and

control it because, depending on what they write, one minute it’s about

this band who say they like it when cops get killed, next minute we’re

cuddly anarchists.

DA: So it doesn’t matter what you say?

Alice: No, but I do think that even if they cast you as a cartoon

figure, there’s loads of people out there that go “yeah I think that”.

They’re using us, and to some extent we’re using them. Now, whether it

works or not, I don’t know, but we’ve tried not using them and that

definitely doesn’t work.

DA: Is there any way of getting them to report less sensational stuff,

like organising and longer term issues, any way of taking it further?

Alice: For a start even if we’re talking about Chumbawamba, we point out

that the reason we’ve existed all these years is because we’ve organised

as an anarchist unit. We work as a democracy, everybody gets equal

money, everybody gets a say in what goes on. There isn’t a leader....

And then you move it off and start talking about other forms of

anarchist organising and how important community and grassroots politics

are, and occasionally that goes in. And when it’s live on TV, then it

has to go in.

DA: So what do you think the media think anarchism is, and how far is it

possible to influence this?

Alice: It’s interesting because they always start off from the basis

that anarchism is chaos. So part of our role at the moment, which has

appeared in magazines like Q, is to say that anarchism is actually to be

extremely organised in a responsible way. It’s a social order where

everybody starts off on an equal footing, without the blandness of state

communism; without a leader at any point. To be an anarchist you have to

be organised because you have to take on responsibility. So I do think

it is possible to use the media to change people’s perceptions of

anarchism.

DA: The whole idea of doing this, and having EMI as your boss etc... is

quite ironic...

Alice: It’s like the dockers thing. We did a benefit and we expected EMI

to be lukewarm about it but they said “Brilliant! Publicity!” If you’re

suiting capitalism’s ends, then they’ll let you. But there’ll come a

point when we stop selling records and the relationship will change

drastically and we’re fully aware of that. What we’re actually doing

with all the money is to pay ourselves a living wage now, so that when

we’re not selling records we can still make artistic choices and carry

on in some form and have money to do that.

DA: Are there other things you’d like do with Chumbawamba, like tour

with a big band?

Alice: We got offered the Rolling Stones... We talked about it but

decided that it would only be worth doing if we could do something that

would get us dragged off stage. It wasn’t really relevant, but we’d love

to do U2!

DA: People put in years of political activity against massive odds....

why do you think we do it?

Alice: Because it enhances our lives. It’s not really a conscious

choice, it’s something you are. The best thing about touring isn’t owt

to do with all the media stuff. It’s getting to meet strikers, and being

in touch with the dockers and the anti-fascist people here tonight. I

think politics should be an accepted part of everyday life, not a boring

thing for a meeting in a pub once a week. I think there’s a move to

reform a workable anarchist movement that’s not elitist or based solely

on youth culture. It’s got to reflect the world as it is.

DA: I’d say that’s going on with the formation of the Solidarity

Federation and the more recent stuff about Class War.

Alice: It’s really difficult to think “this isn’t working” and it’s a

really big move to say “right, we’ve got to knock it all down, take

what’s good about what we’ve done but try to work in different ways”.

It’s hard to do because people are resistant to change, even

anarchists...