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Title: The Left Bank Collective Author: Jason McQuinn Date: 1994 Language: en Topics: Left Bank Books (Seattle U.S.A.), anarchist history, anarchist publications, Jason McQuinn, Alternative Press Review, interview Source: Alternative Press Review, Spring/Summer 1994 (Part 1), Alternative Press Review, Fall 1994 (Part 2) Notes: Scanned from original.
The Left Bank Collective
Interview by Jason McQuinn
Alternative Press Review, Spring/Summer 1994
In late January several Left Bank Collective members took time out to
talk for this APR interview. The Left Bank collective--originally
organized to run the Left Bank Books store located at the Pike Place
Market next to the downtown Seattle waterfront--celebrated its 20th
anniversary in August, 1993. The collective's work is now spread out
between the original downtown bookstore (selling new and used books),
AKA Books (selling a wide selection of used books in the university
district), Left Bank Distribution ("the largest provider of anarchist
and independent radical books in North America"), and the Left Bank
publishing project (with books including John Zerzan's Elements of
Refusal and Raoul Vaneigem's Revolution of Everyday Life). In addition,
Left Bank has been intimately involved in the creation and maintenance
of a national Books To Prisoners project, and most recently with the
opening of the Black Cat Cafe, a collectively-run vegetarian restaurant.
I spoke primarily with long-term collective members David Brown, Kent
Jewell and Russell Puschak while I was in Seattle. Most of our
discussions are included in the following pages. We began by talking
about the Left Bank Distribution project, before moving on to discussion
of the bookstores and other aspects of the collective.
Russell Puschak : "In the last year it's been very exciting to see a
sort of mini-explosion of radical bookshops, or infoshops as they're now
called, around the country...They're springing up all over now, which is
really a great thing, and it hasn't happened for quite a few years, I
guess. And we've been very interested in supporting these projects. In
fact many of them have reported to us that we're the only book
distributor that has given them credit in the United States at this
time. We try to establish personal relationships with the people, get
people to accept responsibility for the books, and then try to work out
payment plans and help them. Because we know how difficult it is to
develop an inventory with the price of books these days."
David Brown : "Since we have our own stores we know only too well what
the other end of it's like."
Russell : "We also encourage people to start distribution networks."
David : "And publishing. I mean that's been the other end of it. You see
so many small radical presses, with just a few titles and no way to get
them out."
Kent Jewell : "And that can be seen in just the last few years, we've
more than doubled the number of titles that we carry [in Left Bank
Distribution]. And that doesn't include just books, but there's a great
increase in the number of magazines and zines, and other things out
there, too."
Russell : "Within the last year I can think of five or six bookshops or
infoshops that have started up, which doesn't sound like a lot, but in
terms of the radical book world, I think it's a significant amount."
Kent : "Especially considering what's happening in places like Britain,
where the number has gone downward. At least in the U.S. it's gone
upward."
Russell : "I think our most crucial function is to serve as a supplier
of books for these things that are just starting out, and to really try
to assist them. We also provide them with the knowledge to develop an
inventory system if they request it, how to pay people properly, how to
get information out to other publishers, how to supplement what we see
as a successful radical bookstore with used books, and perhaps not just
remaining ideological in narrowly defining political books as books that
are about politics, but that there's radical literature, there's radical
magazines, there's radical fiction,...all kinds of things that tie in.
And I think the days where a bookstore could survive as a political
bookstore are gone. Now it's very marginal. It's a very different kind
of thing. You really can't. You have too provide a diverse list of
reading materials for people."
Kent : "And in a sense we're lucky because a lot of these things we've
learned, we've learned the hard way. Because we run a used bookstore, a
new and used bookstore, and distribution. So we get to see a lot of
different angles to things and that helps us out with our distribution.
You know, we can provide answers to people maybe better than other
distributors, because we're also retail booksellers. So we realize what
kind of tips and breaks you might need if you're just starting out."
David : "Yeah, or what kind of books, or what titles, because we know
why books are selling out of our shops for specific reasons quite often.
A lot of people are just starting up and need suggestions, or they're
ordering things, they have no idea what they're doing exactly, and you
can see it. They're just beginners. Clearly, you can tell them that
ordering twenty copies of this pamphlet isn't a good idea, whereas you
should try twenty copies of this one. Right now the Open Pamphlets are
doing very well, whereas the other pamphlets...you just need a couple."
Russell : "One of the problems with distribution, and how people see
distribution is basically, that we wouldn't be surviving if it wasn't
for volunteer help at this time. Although some of us are paid, volunteer
help is crucial. The workload is immense and it's very hard to survive
distributing books and pamphlets. If we didn't have the assistance of
the used bookstore at the same spot, it would be difficult to see if
we'd be able to float by this time. And the assistance we've given to
people is pretty much if they've asked. Or if we can, we've talked about
developing some kind of material that we can hand out like "How to
organize your radical bookstore, or your shop. But we haven't yet done
that, and it's pretty much just people writing letters or asking us, and
we try to assist them that way. Also with some of the new bookstores
that have started up we've assisted them by giving donations of books
and materials, just sending a care package of radical stuff if we can,
although I've found that as more and more of them start, we have less
and less resources to be sending out care packages as frequently as we
were before. But there definitely is a need and desire for this
information to get out to people, and one other thing that is going on
is tabling projects, too...Maybe eight to ten."
David : "Some of them are just hit and miss. They're one time. You know
somebody's doing a conference and they say we'd like to carry a bunch of
books. In fact we do tabling locally ourselves but you never know, it's
erratic. You never know what's coming up. It's a situation that looks
good for us, and also it's volunteer, so we have to have the energy to
do it, and the people. But sometimes they come to us and say they'd like
to have certain books and we supply them. We give them the books."
Russell : "BobbEE in Olympia has also just developed a relationship with
a bookstore, which is something people can try if they're interested. If
you see there's a bookstore that's an independent in your neighborhood
or your city, and they don't carry the kind of books that you're
interested in seeing there, what he has done is he's approached them and
said, 'Look, I'll take responsibility for getting the books--ordering
them, getting them in there--and you can sell them, I know they'll sell
because there's a demand out there.' And a lot of times bookstores are
skeptical. 'I never heard of T.A.Z. or all this kind of stuff.' And what
he does is puts them on the shelf and he basically does it as a labor of
love to get the books out, because he makes like 5 or 8% off of it. He
just wrote us a letter, and he's been doing it for a year, and he's sold
quite a few hundred dollars worth of books, but he's made $40 total off
of it. But it is a way to get books out there, and a way to get
experience working in bookstores."
Jason : "What kind of help can you provide for zine, magazine and book
publishers?"
Russell : "Well, actually, we've just made a few decisions within the
last few months about zines, and alternative periodicals. In the past
we've had enough trouble just maintaining books and keeping them in
stock in inventory. Especially when a lot of our books come from England
and it's quite difficult to figure out how to get them here and keep up
with demand and that kind of thing. But we've decided in the last few
months that we'd like to start carrying more self-produced, alternative
zines. In the same respect we carry a lot of pamphlets that are small
productions. And although we don't make much money on it, it's part of
our commitment to keeping things out there that are affordable, and
different, and interesting, etc."
David : "We've also done the same thing, you know, trying to provide aid
to some of the small presses. Or, if somebody needs equipment, we've
made donations financially. We've helped people buy equipment. And then
also, like with bookstores, for example when Bound Together gets its
windows knocked out, or gets trashed, over the years we've made some
fairly substantial contributions to those things. So that helps other
bookstores in the process. [Examples cited include helping out The
Match! about a year ago with getting some printing equipment, and the
Fifth Estate with materials.] Mainly what we try to do rather than just
floating money out there is we try to provide a very specific, concrete,
tangible object, so that we know where and how the money's being used.
It's like with the Black Cat [a new restaurant collective], you know.
They needed some loans. What we tried to do is eyeball some specific
equipment...an espresso machine, cash register."
Kent : "Back to zines. We've been carrying zines at our retail
bookstores for years and years, and the number of those have increased.
And we have been distributing zines, but as Russell said, we're carrying
more now. And we'd like to encourage that growth. We see distributing
them as an extra step above and beyond carrying them directly at the
bookstore. And a lot of things that we've carried at the retail store
we've liked carrying direct over the years, because it does give
percentage-wise more money to the people who put them out. As opposed to
dealing with some larger distributors which cuts down their percentage
quite a bit."
Russell : "Even though we distribute periodicals, we also encourage
people if they're starting up a bookstore to go direct to the publisher
of the zine or periodical and that way it will help support the project
cause then our 10% will not be taken out...since most things are such
low-budget projects anyway. Part of the problem...we see with
distributing alternative zines is getting the knowledge out to all of
the bookstores that we are picking up zines and carrying them. And since
many of them are dated material, or at least, dated in their cover and
that kind of orientation, it takes awhile--numerous mailings--to alert
people to the fact that you are carrying them. And most of them are so
inexpensive, that if you're going to do distribution of real underground
periodicals, it's mainly a labor of love. And we're interested in
expanding that, but we're also interested in carrying things we
personally like and see value in."
David : "There's really no money in this, either. And the other thing is
that we really don't have any business with newsstands...So we just
don't have a huge base, either. It mainly...makes it available to
bookstores, or it lets people know it's available, maybe getting to
individuals so they can pursue it after that."
Russell : "And one of the more exciting things is, for instance, we've
been dealing with some people in South Africa who are running a
bookstore under tremendous harassment from the government. But one of
the periodicals we're very happy to carry is one about the abuse of
psychiatric survivors and victims...and it's called Dendron. And for us
just being a small distributors, we were able to send ten copies into
South Africa of that extremely obscure magazine. And they don't care if
they get it six months late there, if it even goes through the
censorship. And that's something that I see as really valuable, a
valuable function of Left Bank."
David : "The ability to get things to far off places for people that
want them. Not just to get things on the newsstand and to get sales
really quickly for the month that it's out. That's somebody else's
function and we haven't oriented ourselves to that at all."
Jason : "Did the Left Bank collective get any help from other
collectives when it started?"
David : "When Left Bank got started it did not have any help. This was
what...'73. And it was mainly just a few individuals who loaned or
provided the start-up money. Around '78 we started the publishing
project and felt that we were doing one book. And felt that to help get
that book distributed, it would help if we had other publishers as well
so we could offer a number of titles. So we did distribution of, say,
the Freedom Press titles, for example, from England, which were not
getting well distributed in this country at all. There were a few small
mail-order, direct-to-individual distributors, but there were no
bookstores that could easily order titles that were being produced in
England. So we picked up Freedom Press and a number of small pamphlet
presses and a few other books. Around that same period of time in '79 or
'80 we started the Books To Prisoners project. Although the bookstore
had been providing books to prisoners all along for specific requests,
we couldn't meet them all. So we started a specific organized project to
provide books to prisoners free. And we got a very generous grant at
that time to help it get going, a grant to provide mainly postage costs.
Books and other things were being donated, and labor was donated. And
then in '83-'84 we started AKA Books as a used bookstore in conjunction
with Left Bank."
David : "[I got involved in the project] in '78. I used to provide books
on consignment much like BobEE Sweet does with that store [in Olympia].
In around '71 I started Mother Earth, mostly mailorder. And so when Left
Bank started and when Red and Black [another Seattle bookstore
collective] started I used to provide both stores with anarchist books
on consignment, mainly because I was ordering that stuff from England.
I'd order the Freedom titles, the Solidarity titles and I got all the
pamphlets."
Russell : "Just as a side note for a collective history of Seattle, in
the early years in the '60s and '70s there was a tremendous collective
movement here with a collective auto shop and grocery--this is besides
the co-ops--a flour mill, and all kinds of things like that. And at this
point with the introduction of the newest collective, the Black Cat
Cafe, which was started this past September, we're up to three
collectives in Seattle and two of them are bookstores. There's the Red
and Black, which Dave just mentioned, which has been around for twenty
years, and Left Bank Books."
Kent : "And a side note on Seattle. We're lucky to be in Seattle because
Seattle is such a diverse town with a lot of people with a lot of varied
and intensive reading interests. And there's a lot of bookstores, and a
lot of diversity of bookstores compared to most cities in the United
States. We're definitely grateful for that. And we've got a great
location. Our retail bookstore, Left Bank, is down in the Pike Place
Public Market. We wouldn't want to be anywhere else in the city than
there. It's a great spot."
Russell : "It's one of the very, very fortunate things that the people
that started Left Bank Books had the foresight to not only go to one of
the coolest parts of town where the Pike Place--the oldest continuously
operating farmers' market--existed, and get a street-level storefront
that's right there, and people can stumble on us from all over the world
and pick up books that are almost not available in their communities at
all. And that's been a really great thing. It's one of the reason's
we've been able to survive and maintain the kind of bookstore that we've
wanted. We haven't had to make many concessions to bestsellers at all,
or any of the kind of books that we're not interested in. In fact it's
given us the ability to have a tremendous backlist. And one of the
things we really focus on is keeping backlist books--books that are
maybe five years old--that you don't sell more than one copy a year of,
but we find them to be valuable books. There's virtually no other
bookstore in town--in Seattle, even being a booklover's town--that makes
a commitment to backlist books like we do...."
Jason : "Was Left Bank successful from the beginning? Did it pay its
bills?"
David : "When [Left Bank] first got started it was all volunteer. It
paid the bills, but one of the founders, for example, who had the
ability to provide money to buy books, over a period of years put
several thousand dollars into the store, with the hope that he would get
his money back eventually. Which he did, but it took about ten years.
And the first four or five years there was no one paid. It was an
all-volunteer staff. But again, the idea when the store was started was
that eventually it would be able to support a small staff. To be able to
provide better service and get to know the business better by providing
some support for a few people...Out of the collective, I think we have
ten people that are paid."
David : "But you're talking all the projects now: AKA, Left Bank, the
publishing and distribution."
Kent : "Many of those ten are part time workers."
Russell : "Our full-time work week is 32 hours...Our wage compared to
this society is very low. It's at $6.00 an hour for those who get paid.
And if you were to include all the hours we actually put in--which we
have some requirements that we don't get paid for--our wage would be
much lower, maybe down around $4.00 an hour or $3.00 an hour depending
on each individual and how much time they put in. I think we have ten
people that are paid at least partially at this time. There are six men
and four women. But we should right away head off that the collective
does not only include the paid members. We're not a closed collective.
People can get involved in any aspect of the collective whether they're
paid or not."
David : "An example is when we did our inventory recently at AKA
thirty-six people showed up. At Left Bank it was also very high,
twenty-some people, I believe, showed up there, which is pretty good
because it's such a small store."
Russell : "And we have many volunteers at Left Bank Books. And our
success really still goes back to the beginning of the store when it was
volunteer. It depends on volunteer labor, on people that are interested
in learning about books, working with books, and furthering certain
ideals they see as valuable. For instance, a volunteer now can commit to
working three hours a week for a minimum of three months and they
receive training and education concerning books and also a very large
discount on anything they're interested in purchasing."
Russell : "And one of the other things I'd like to say about the
collective is that at this time when people enter the collective, we
still have a process where if you are volunteering you learn skills, and
then if an opening does appear, that's how we select people who join us.
It's sort of a natural process where people are working together
already. We see if we can get along. And then if there's an opening
someone is offered it, if we can afford it."
David : "One thing that should be pointed out is that nobody has a
personal financial stake in this collective. And when you come in it
doesn't cost you anything...and you don't take anything out. So I've
worked here since '78,...and I don't have any claim on the store. When I
leave I go out just like I came in with nothing...It's not like some
collectives where you have to put up a certain amount of capital to get
in, you have to buy into the collective with money and you have shares,
and then when you go out you cash out. We don't have that."
Russell : "We also don't have any form of profit-sharing. If at the end
of the year, if we're lucky enough, to have more money than we started
with, that money gets put back into the different projects that we
sponsor in various ways. We've been fortunate recently to be able to buy
some equipment that we needed, and to also support many different
projects in the city...."
David : "We have...collective meetings every month, and get together to
talk about our business, and the issues that come up. And we do get
requests for donations and that sort of thing."
Jason : "Was that how the decision was made to help Black Cat
collective?"
Russell : "It's sort of off of the German collective model of the
collectives, once they've been established, to help support other
collectives. And that is that they should float a proposal to you and
the other various collectives. Fortunately there they have a lot of 'em,
so every collective doesn't have to kick in much. And if you like the
idea then you can support their start, and they will continue to help
support other new ventures."
David : "I think when Black Cat originally came to us they were looking
for money, start-up money to help make improvements and buy equipment. I
think, as I recall, they came to us with a proposal for a thousand
dollar loan. And we said no, we'd rather do something concrete. And it
ended up being two thousand dollars so they could get their espresso
machine. They ended up getting more, actually."
Jason : "How did it work when AKA was started? Was it like Black
Cat...?"
David : "A fellow had a small used bookstore. He was going out of
business. And we went to look at books for Left Bank. And he offered, he
said he'd sell us the whole store for three thousand bucks, a thousand
up front and two thousand the next year. And we sort of went through the
store and thought that would be reasonable. And since Left Bank was
doing used books already in conjunction with the new books, it seemed
like a logical extension. It was also more space...Until that time we'd
been doing distribution and publishing stuff right out of Left Bank, a
very tiny bookstore. So by opening a used bookstore at that time, it
allowed us to make some shifts in the physical space and to pay another
person. And also it just increases the scope of the kind of books you
can offer. It's wonderful to have all the new books that we think are
valuable and important. But there's lots of books that are going out of
print. And this gave us a way to supply those. Particularly when you get
into radical, or labor, or black studies, or lots of small, obscure
books that there's no way you can find them anywhere. You couldn't find
them anywhere at that time. There was nobody doing any radical used
books here, particularly in any kind of organized way...And it seemed
like a natural extension of what we were already trying to do, with our
mail-order, with our publishing, with our distribution, with Left Bank
for the new books...AKA started out with five hundred square feet. It
had two rooms, plus a huge basement, and that's where we had the prison
project, and the distribution, and the old printing equipment we'd had
in garages. From there between rental problems with the landlord, and
wanting more room, we located a house that was actually cheaper rent
that was twice the size of what we were doing...And then after three
years there, we were again faced with a rental problem where the
building was possibly be torn down, so we decided to move to a better
location and more space, which led us to our present location. And we're
kind of faced with the same problem right now. We're up against an odd
lease situation, where when our lease expires we may have to find
another location. Space is a problem again...."
Jason : "Are you selling more books every year at the stores and through
distribution?"
David : "The last year has sort of leveled off. It's the first year it's
leveled off. It may be the nature of the building, or the business, or
the economy. It's difficult to know."
Russell : "It's very hard to tell exactly where we're at with the
distribution, since most of the books we're holding on a consignment
basis, and we pay quarterly. We'll know a lot more after the end of
January how we're doing. And also, we've taken on a number of new
expenses with distribution this year. The Reading Room/Prison Project
Space/Graphic Arts Area that is a storefront that has no
income-generating possibilities at this time is being funded primarily
by distribution, with also AKA Books and Left Bank Books chipping in
some of the money. So distribution is taking on a large load, and we
really have been very thankful of all the people that have supported us
over the last years. And in particular over the last two years, where
direct mail-order has really helped us out a lot in being able to start
and fund something like the space that we've created there. And we're
hoping that people continue to order books through us and continue to
help us do the kind of work that we're interested in.
One of the things about distribution that's an interesting issue is that
we sell new books mailorder to people at a retail cost. And some
distribution outfits, particularly a lot of the younger ones that have
started up, really try to give people a big discount. And so we supply
books to some of those people and they're mainly all-volunteer
operations. And they just mark things up a minimal amount in order to
keep things going. But we've taken the approach that we...still believe
that we're getting very good books to people at the going price, and we
try to charge the actual shipping cost to people as much as possible. We
don't pad the shipping and handling."
Jason : "If other people are interested in getting together radical book
distribution projects in their own towns, would you recommend checking
out to see if there's already any cooperatives in existence...?"
Russell : "It's a difficult question given the state of our state, the
state of the state in 1994...Our approach has been, for instance, when
we built the storefront space that now houses the Reading Room and the
Books To Prisoners project and graphic arts area, we did that through
asking for help from people in the community. And we had a series of
'barn-raisings' so to speak. Every Sunday we would get there and have
bagels and have a work crew going, and we'd try to get as many people
involved as possible. Not only could you learn new skills about
carpentry, but you could also help out...So I would say that if
anybody's interested in doing any kind of project in your community, you
could do it yourself. But also look around to see what resources you do
have. And look out of state, too. You know, there are different things
that we can help out, and other projects around the country, too, can
help individual projects starting up. Cause it's really difficult to
start up."
David : "On a local level, mainly it's trying to get people to help each
other and working in a mutually beneficial way. Sometimes it's more
difficult than working by yourself or with one other person, because
you're involving lots of different personalities and intentions and
ideals and factors, but the more people you can get involved, the larger
base of support you have towards ensuring the success of your
project...And it's important to talk to other people and other groups
that have attempted to do these things, because it isn't written down.
And no matter what's written down, it never seems to quite have the
realistic touch that personal contact can make. You know, when you call
around and talk to a store that's been in existence for ten years, I
mean that's a lot of experience that they can help supply you with on
different levels. How to organize your project. Are you going to try to
make money or you're not going to try to make money? Are you trying to
do this or trying to do that? Other people have done that already and
can help you in some way. Or can steer you to other people who have done
similar kinds of projects and what their experiences are...."
Russell : "Talk to as many people as possible...In our collective--and
I'm not speaking for all the volunteers since I don't know them
all--we're loosely based as an anarchist collective, and most of us have
a strong affinity to anti-authoritarian and anarchist ideas. But we have
never fallen into--at least in the last five years--the pitfall of
trying to define ourselves as a unified group. And that seems like one
of the biggest pitfalls. People call me up and say they're starting this
project and they're just getting their statements together or their
ideas. And it's not necessary. I mean, all ten of us are different
individuals and we all think differently."
David : "Practice is more important than all the ideology in the world.
You know, and the ability to work together. Because sometimes you can
have full agreement politically or ideologically, or however you're
gonna put it, but on a personal level you don't get along with somebody
and you can't work with 'em. Or maybe you can socialize with 'em, but
you can't work with 'em. So you have to work those things out. And
really what's important in the long term is the ability of a group of
people to work together around a broad or general kind of idea or
practice."
Kent : "The desire to work together above all is what you need to
survive as a collective, for some common purpose. And even though it may
sound crass, if you want to run a business, you do have to ask other
businesses that are out there...if you want to run a collective business
and have it succeed it is a good idea to ask other people who have done
it in practice, as opposed to setting up a few abstract ideals and
trying to work off that. You have to do what works, basically."
Russell : "We get criticized from some people on the fact that our books
cost money and they're not free, and we're not making them available as
free resources to everyone. Well, there weren't that many books around,
and there wouldn't be that many books around for very long if they were
all free. But I think people's minds are so jumbled about dealing with
capitalism and this society that they don't see that also working for
yourself and doing it in a non-hierarchical way is difficult, but yes,
you're freeing yourself out of the boss mentality. We have a lot of
struggles collectively. It's not always easy. Sometimes it's great and
smooth and excellent, but it's a fight all along. But at least we feel
that we're pulling ourselves out of the traditional capitalistic model
of rat-race,
pull-yourself-ahead-of-the-next-person-as-aggressively-as-you-possibly-can
mentality.
And for that matter, for people who are starting projects, you have to
decide whether or not you're oriented towards selling things and having
a mark-up. And the part that gets confusing is people think that if
you're marking up things and selling them...that you're making a
profit...whereas...it's what you do with that profit that people get
confused about. I mean if the profit only goes back into the project or
to yourselves and you're doing respectable things with the money that's
one thing. But unless it's going to be an all-donation, all-giveaway
project like the Diggers, or something else like that, you're going to
have to charge something for what you're selling. And I don't think
that's necessarily a bad thing, especially if you're looking at
collectives and wanting to pull people out of the rat-race."
Kent : "And in terms of overall access to information, since we do
different projects within the collective, we do charge money for certain
books that go through the mail and all that, but we also balance it out.
The money that we do make from some projects goes towards others. We do
send out a lot of free information. We do send out a lot of free books
to prisoners. We do have a reading room where people are welcome to hang
out and read a lot of the books. Increasingly a lot of the books there
are ones we have from distribution. We're donating some of those so that
people, at least those who live in Seattle, have access to books without
having to buy them."
David : "I personally wouldn't say it gets us out of the rat-race. It
probably helps us buy into the rat-race. We certainly don't work any
less hard. It's just as bad as any place else. Except for the degree
that I can be slinging hamburgers, or I can be doing this other job over
here where I don't have to work for a boss, and maybe some of the things
that I'm working towards I think are important. I can help contribute to
the break-down of the rat-race or the breakdown of capitalism. There's
no guarantee, obviously... Co-ops are very useful and they do undercut
certain notions, but for the most part they're not anti-capitalist or
anti-authoritarian. They see themselves as doing the same job as Safeway
does, only they want to provide a better type of food and maybe make it
a little more democratic. But really the mistake, particularly with a
business project, is to think that you're doing something radical or
revolutionary. I've seen people come in with that attitude, or think
they're going to create something like that. But we're all working
within this commodity capitalist system, the society of the spectacle.
And all we're doing really is choosing our poisons, and hopefully in a
small way contributing to undermining all that. Maybe not so much in the
commodity, but maybe the ideas that are embedded in those commodities.
Maybe we can subvert the commodities, and someday those books will be
free."
This interview will be continued in the next issue of APR.
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The Left Bank Collective
Interview by Jason McQuinn
Alternative Press Review, Fall 1994
In late January several Left Bank Collective members took time out to
talk for this APR interview. The Left Bank collective—originally
organized to run the Left Bank Books store located at the Pike Place
Market next to the downtown Seattle waterfront—celebrated its 20th
anniversary in August, 1993. The collective's work is now spread out
between the original downtown bookstore (selling new and used books),
AKA Books (selling a wide selection of used books in the university
district), Left Bank Distribution ("the largest provider of anarchist
and independent radical books in North America"), and the Left Bank
publishing project (with books including John Zerzan's Elements of
Refusal and Raoul Vaneigem's Revolution of Everyday Life). In addition,
Left Bank has been intimately involved in the creation and maintenance
of a national Books To Prisoners project, and most recently with the
opening of the Black Cat Cafe, a collectively-run vegetarian restaurant.
I spoke primarily with long-term collective members David Brown, Kent
Jewell and Russell Puschak while I was in Seattle. Most of our
discussions appeared in the last issue of Alternative Press Review. This
is a continuation of that interview.
Jason: You can't help but notice when you enter Left Bank Books that the
fiction is divided in the front of the store between sections labeled
"Fiction by Women" and "Fiction by Men," which I thought was a pretty
interesting way to do it. Does that get many comments.
Kent : "It get's a lot of comments."
David : "It has ever since we started it."
Russell : "People either love it or they hate it. I believe, what I've
been told...is that it was started at a time, if you think back, when
there were virtually no women's presses...and it was done as a means of
highlighting women's fiction that would just get lost in the sauce of
the total lake/ocean of men's fiction and the women's fiction was put
aside to highlight it. And now where there's tons and tons of women's
presses out there it's not quite as necessary, but we've continued it on
as a tradition. And sometimes we've polled people and it almost comes up
fifty/fifty, those that love it and those that hate it."
David : "It's not that big a deal. And you can take it out of the
ideological sauce and say, well, we don't have enough room to put
everything on one side of the store. So we just put half over here and
half over there. I mean, you do get complaints from some customers. They
come in and they'll just throw a fit, and that includes some women."
Russell : "Writers especially."
David : "But, in fact, they don't complain about science fiction being
separated out of fiction. Or, really what those sections are supposed to
be about—and there are books that defy classification, or they overlap
in so many different categories, I mean you know, where do you put it?
It depends on who's shelving it which section it ends up in—but what you
do is you try to find a convenience. Otherwise you've just got a mass of
books, a pile. How do you find something you want? And it's easy to say
this way. And we started highlighting the women's literature so many
years ago...."
Kent : "And also we have a very large fiction and translations section.
For that reason, too, to highlight a lot of those books we carry that a
lot of other stores do not."
David : "Or you can go down to, you'll find other stores like Cody's or
City Lights Books...they have all their English or British literature in
one section, or African, a whole section of literature. It highlights.
Otherwise, it's like you'll find certain kinds of literature just get
lost, like fiction in translation. Whereas when you highlight it people
begin to look at it as a distinct kind, they start exploring it. And
it's easy to find authors that way that otherwise get lost."
Jason : How many volunteers are there at any given time now in your
projects?
Kent : "On an active basis working in the retail stores, I'd say
somewhere between a dozen and fifteen people at any one time. But
there's a lot of changeover. Some volunteers will volunteer for four or
five years, and some volunteers will only volunteer for a short time
while they're off from school or taking a break from work or things like
that. So it's kind of hard to define."
David : "In my own experience over the years we've had ten to eighteen
people as pretty standard. It depends a lot on the economy. Particularly
like for people we've had for years, quite often people who can put in a
lot of time, say, people who are on welfare or unemployment. And as the
economy's tightened up fewer and fewer people are able to donate large
amounts of time. We don't have people who say, `I can put in two days a
week, because I do this or I do that.' It's more and more people who
have to work other jobs constantly and who don't have the luxury of time
that they used to."
Jason : How do you get new people to volunteer? Are you always
encouraging people? Or do people just come and hear about it and want to
do it?
David : "Usually. Normally friends of friends, word of mouth. Like it
will start out from the bookstore, friends of people who are already
working there, or their friends when they start working there. Once in a
while somebody will just walk in off the street. But mostly it's word of
mouth. There are new people constantly coming in or going out, so it
changes from month to month or year to year.
Jason : What about the current state of radical publishing in comparison
to five years ago—in the U.S. especially. Are there more publishers, are
they publishing more things, are their books being more well received?
David : "Yes, yes, yes, and yes. I mean, I think it's the general state
of publishing overall that the huge companies have bought each other up
and collapsed them, and are publishing fewer and fewer books. And so you
see more small presses developing overall within the publishing
industry, more independent presses, which is a healthy sign actually. It
gets the control out of the hands of the conglomerates. It gets it back
to people who care about what it is they're publishing and the people
they're publishing, and the kind of literature they're publishing. And
you see that in the radical stuff as well, because nobody's publishing
radical books in the big conglomerate industry, so people are forced to
do it themselves."
Kent : "So one of the dilemmas is, since there are more small presses,
and there's a lot more radical publishing going on, is making sure that
those books can get out to small towns and rural areas in the U.S.
because a lot of the big chain stores in major cities, they're not going
to carry any of the small press stuff, etc. Nor do the big distributors.
So it's good to see a lot of small distributors like ourselves, like
Desert Moon and Fine Print doing magazines and stuff. But there's a lot
more small distributors so that's really good.
And there's been a growth in mail-order and I think that will only
increase in the computer age and having more zines put out there, as
people in rural areas can be more hooked up to what is available to them
through mail-order. Because they're not going to find it in their local,
small-town bookstore."
Russell : "I really think that the freedom of the press belongs to those
who own the press. And in the same sense, an extension of that is to
those who are able to distribute their own books, too...If you look back
at the sixties from what I've been able to see (and other movements,
too), the larger things become, and the more that radical publishers
hand over their books to people that don't have the same goals as them,
the more danger you have of getting swallowed up by them, or getting
stiffed by them in a payment sort of way. And I'd like to see, from my
own perspective, my own hopes and goals are, that we can develop more
and more independent, radical distribution networks around the country.
And that's one of the things we have helped start and are encouraging
people to start themselves. The more that it's spread out and
decentralized, the better off we'll be."
David : "Interlocking, rather than the larger ones that are sort of
hierarchically oriented. You have these huge distributors and these huge
chains, and it's just this huge hierarchy. But you really want to get
away from that and develop a sort of a flat interlinking where people
are constantly talking back-and-forth, or moving back-and-forth, or
making contacts back-and-forth, rather than towards a top, a pinnacle,
or working up a ladder. You can cross-fertilize that way. You can share
stuff that way. You can't share in a hierarchy. The higher you get up
the ladder the less you share. Somebody else takes it over. Somebody
else controls it. Or, simply, it becomes a power structure and those
people who have power begin to wield it and it doesn't matter what you
want at the bottom. You have no say. They shut you out. Or things get so
distorted and so weird that you can no longer participate. You just
become alienated from everything. And hopefully by sharing or
interlocking in a non-hierarchical system there's some chance for
survival. There's some chance to have some effect and meaning in what
you do."
Russell : "And when the distributors get bigger and bigger, they have
more and more bills to pay, and the larger publishers they take on, say
for instance Bookpeople and Inland, they're going to pay the people that
are huge and powerful, who have a lot of books first. And that this is
really what's happening. Over the last few years I've been talking to a
lot of publishers, and what they say is that it's real hard to get money
out of these places, not that they're intentionally stiffing them, but
you're going to give the money out to your largest corporate people that
are threatening to cut you off first, because you turn over a lot of
those books and you make money from them. But one of our things at Left
Bank Distribution is we try really hard to pay everyone at the same
time. Whether we're distributing twenty of your books, or you're just
starting out with one zine, the way the computer system that Dave has
set up works, is that we'll pay you at the same time. We write the
checks for the three zine copies that sold, at the same time we send it
to the small press publishers that have more titles."
Kent : "One of the things that we've also noticed, is that some
distributors, once they get bigger, start looking at the bottom line
more...Once they get bigger, from our experience in running retail
store, they tend to start dropping things that don't sell as well. We're
very small. We care a lot about the books that we carry. We're
passionate about them. And when people grow bigger, they seem to care
less about what they have and more about the bottom line, and dropping
out the things that don't sell. And we think, you know, if there are
more small distributors, with people who care about what they're
carrying, they're not just going to drop them without knowing what they
are just because they don't sell."
David : "Well, some small distributors, they can have their whole stock
in their garage, and it doesn't cost them nothing. Or it's in a bedroom,
or it's in a bathroom, or in a closet. But since they don't have this
huge overhead they carry the stuff because they think it's important.
They want it. And then the question of size is something that somebody
like ourselves, we have to look at ourselves every once in awhile and
say, why are we doing this? How big are we getting? And is this the
direction we want to go? And I think the fact that we encourage other
distributors is important, because it keeps the pressure off of us to
try to do everything. We can't do everything. There's no way. And I
don't think we want to. Eventually I think we'd lose sight of our own
interests and goals if we tried to keep growing and be all-inclusive. We
have to pick areas of our interest. And the best thing to do is to have
a multiplicity of these distribution networks, kind of like an Internet
of distributors. All kinds of people doing all kinds of different
things, and when you connect them all and look at them from a larger
view you can see how they're all working together even though they're
doing different things."
Russell : "I encourage people to start their own publications, become
their own publishers and their own distributors. And it's more
accessible now than ever before. Although I have some skepticism about
computers, what I really see as valuable is that you can typeset things
yourself and get them out there, even if you don't own a computer,
through public libraries or borrowing your friend's, of something like
that. So it's a lot more accessible, and you can make something that's
readable easier now than ever before. Of course, a lot of times people
make junk. But I think there's a lot of great stuff out there."
Kent : "And for people who are interested in starting up new projects,
don't hesitate to ask other people who are already doing things. I think
a lot of people who are already doing things sometimes feel very
alone...but there's a lot of people out there with a lot of information
and the more that is shared the better."
Russell : "And I hope that people see the value in this kind of
communication. Sometimes I'm a little bit skeptical, given the TV sort
of mindset,...that people sit down and actually read periodicals and
read books. But I think that there is still a tremendous amount of
interest in valuable material and I really hope that more and more
people continue to pick up on the kind of publishing, alternative press
projects that have been started in the last ten years.
And again, you're always welcome to try to call and talk to us. If we
have some time, we can try to send you some information. You can call
and ask to talk to Kent, or myself, Russell, Noreen, Linda. We have a
lot of day to day contact with different publishers and different
bookstores. And often, like when someone's starting up a project in New
Jersey or Washington as has just happened in the last year, I'll say,
well talk to Wooden Shoe in Philadelphia. They've been doing it for many
years. Go down there. Visit them. See how they're doing it. See if you
like their system...Don't be afraid to ask...That's the only way you're
going to find out anything.
We at Left Bank have gone through ups and downs financially. And five
years ago the retail bookstore was not doing well and we had to really
struggle along asking and finding out things for ourselves. And I'd like
to share that information. We found out how to build up our inventory,
how to better manage our money and that kind of stuff....
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Russell first volunteered at Left Bank in the early '80s, unsatisfying
experience, a lot of ideological debates, not a particularly friendly
place at that time, reinvolved in the later '80s when he became
interested in printing and publishing things himself, and heard LB had a
press.
He started volunteering again, LBB was having problems, a lot of
volunteers joined and put more energy into it making it more solvent.
Co-publishing the new edition of Revolution of Everyday Life with Rebel
Press in England, ought to be available at an affordable price very
soon. A new introduction, a revised translation, with a new cover by
Cliff Harper.
Co-publishing with Autonomedia the new Drunken Boat anthology of
anarchist art and aesthetics, and working on a book of poetry by a late
Seattle poet, a number of pamphlets. Hope to get the Left Bank printing
press operable this year. Looking for manuscripts (with a SASE), ideas,
and especially proposals for co-publishing (Russell: "a good cooperative
way to get things out" "Autonomedia has really taken the lead in doing
that...At this point they're the most exciting publisher of materials.
They take a lot of risks, a lot of chances.")
"I think collectives are experiments within society"
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"I really think that the freedom of the press belongs to those who own
the press. And in the same sense, an extension of that is to those who
are able to distribute their own books, too."
--Russell Puschak