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Subj: Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-11-27 19:42:16 est
From: AFL Marty
MEROW - It is often helpful to place the name of the person to whom you are
responding at the beginning of your message (as I did with this one) unless it's easy
to tell whose message you are replying to. Subj: PC Transporter
88-11-27 21:57:13 est
From: AFL Oli
Tim: Having a PC transporter in a GS will NOT increase the memory available to a GS
program such as AWGS. Only memory in the gs expansion slot is available for use by
such programs. You can use PC transporter memory for a Ramdisk only.Subj: Re:
AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-11-27 22:37:44 est
From: JosephY3
Had problems making copies with Claris system disk. Claris tech said that
problems existed so I used previous sys.util. Can only load word processor with
double click on icon. When word processor is up, access to "File" on upper menu bar
causes color fill of pull down menu area, then color fill of whole screen , then
black and white cross hatch. Same problem every time. Claris said another reported
similar problem and code on disk may be bad. (Config = 2 - 3.5 Unidisk, 2 Disk II,
Ramkeeper w/ Apple card (1Meg) and GS Ramplus (1 Meg). Subj: Re: Color Fill
88-11-28 05:34:11 est
From: AFL Oli
Sounds like a solid report, Joseph. Did they say what they intend to do?Subj: Re:
AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-11-28 18:03:09 est
From: HErwin
It doesn't work for me, either. Appears to be a driver problem.
HarrySubj: Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-11-30 23:23:57 est
From: TimothyF1
AFL Oli,
Thanks for the info...know anyone who would like to buy a "fully loaded" Apple
Memory Expansion Card for the GS?? Then I might be able to swing an A.E. Expansion
Card with several MEG.
Wonder if Apple has any plans along these lines...
Thanks again,
Tim
Subj: Contents forwarded to Claris 88-12-01 00:07:54 est
From: AFL Grafix
Just so you know your comments and problems are not evaporating into ether, I thought
I'd let you know that I have archived all the comments in this topic--up to but not
including Tim's message--and sent them all to Claris. This was per the request of
Steve Carlton at Claris...so Claris IS listening, gang!
I will be doing this on a regular basis, for most, if not all of the topics on this
board...
Keep those cards and letters coming :)
MarianSubj: Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-12-03 20:56:58 est
From: nasher
Is there any reason why Appleworks gs would save a file to clipboard that was
4479k!Alls I did was quit out of Appleworks GS with the page layout and graphic
module open and both didn't have very large files in them.I had my hard drive opened
to look for files to open but still why would it save such a large file to clipboard
and what is clipboard used for. Subj: Re; Clipboard 88-12-03
22:19:33 est
From: GS Samuel
Anytime you cut (OA-X) or copy (OA-C), that part of the document is transferred to an
area of GS memory called the Clipboard.
When you quit AWGS, the Clipboard is saved as part of the AWGS shutdown. I can't
think of any reason for AWGS to save the whole document unless you had Copied or Cut
the whole document. I think there is a limit as to how much can be cut or copied,
but don't know what that is off the top of my head. :)
Subj: Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-12-04 14:54:17 est
From: AFL Grafix
Nasher,
If the GS scrap works like the Mac scrap, that clipboard which was saved to disk
should be gone after you shutdown and then restart.
As Sam said, the clipboard is where all copy and cuts go to... and those copy or cut
operations that are too large to hold in active RAM are saved to disk temporarily.
The clipboard contains the MOST RECENT copy or cut--in fact, you could have seen what
was on that clipboard by using the View Clipboard command. So, presumably, what it
saved to disk was the last copy or cut you did while within AWGS--and for it to be
that large, it would probaly have been a case where you did the following: Select All
then Copy or Cut. Did you perhaps do this while you were working on those documents?
Shutting down your GS should erase this temporary clipboard on disk, I believe. Let
us know if you find out differently, Nasher... If I get a chance, this sounds like a
neat one to play around with :)
Marian
Subj: Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-12-04 16:20:17 est
From: MUS1
This isn't really a `bug`, so to speak, but it sure is a pain. I was loading a large
database file into AWGS (it was a 1988 tax template) and it displayed this little
rotating chart instead of a watch. Anyway, I must have waited 15 minutes (at least 7
minutes) for this thing to calculate or something. (It only ran the hard disk for
about 25 secs.) What's the hangup here?
Subj: Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-12-04 18:37:26 est
From: nasher
This is in reguards to the message I left about having a huge clipboard file saved to
my harddisk(4479k worth) after quitting Appleworks GS.I think I did pick select all
from the pull down menu,but I still can't understand how I got such a large
file.Could the program be trying to save a copy of my hard disk to the clipboard?Any
suggestions are welcome.Will call Claris on Monday about this.Subj: Re: AppleWorks
GS Bug Reports 88-12-04 22:17:53 est
From: MarkL35
Have had AWGS for 2 weeks now- a couple of thoughts (Claris are you listening?) :
There is slow,slower and then AWGS! Have a 90k SS- takes 2 & 1/2 minutes to load!
Open apple period WON'T stop printing in the draft mode;Templates in the DB are NOT
saved as it says in the book, you lose the sort!! How about being able to load more
than one file at the same time?
I'm not sure about this program I think it was released too soon. Great idea but I'm
waiting for updates (upgrades) for ny final verdict!
Have 2.75 megs booting AWGS from ROM and GS/OS
Mark LSubj: Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-12-04 22:40:10 est
From: JosephY3
I've sent back the disks and they will ship replacements.
Subj: Rotating "Pie Chart" 88-12-05 01:46:22 est
From: GS Samuel
That "rotating pie chart" that was referred to a couple of messages back seems to be
Claris's (nee StyleWare) replacement of the standard watch icon. It =is= of course
telling us to wait while computations and conversions are being made.
It takes less time once you loaded or imported a Classic AppleWorks DB or SS and then
saved that file in its new AWGS format. Still, it does take what seems an excessive
amount of time -- at times. :)
Subj: Re: "rotating pie" 88-12-05 05:15:08 est
From: AFL Oli
Right about the "rotating pie", Samuel. Mine is in color...
I have begun training myself to go the the kitchen for a cup of coffee during these
times ...
Of course my eyeballs are floating in the stuff right now, and I'm so wired, I'm up
at 5:18 AM!!Subj: Re: Rotating "Pie" 88-12-05 20:00:39 est
From: JIB2
Not that it will help speed it up, but the rotating "pie" is actually a "spinning
beachball" which is a standard Apple pointer type defined in Apple's Human Interface
Guidelines: The Apple Desktop Interface. See Table 3-1 on page 94. It is used for
"showing that the system is still alive during a lengthy operation."
The same pointer is used in some machintosh applications -- for example, Hypercard,
and I think MORE...
Just in case you were interested...
Jim BlockSubj: Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-12-05 21:58:46 est
From: Blitz1
Gentlemen....Ladies....
....Those aren't bugs......They're Features !
blitz1
Subj: Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-12-06 21:56:56 est
From: RaymondG6
I can not find a way to stop a draft mode printing. This is a real time consumer, as
my paper jammed on a 43 page run, and I could find no code to break the print
function. I finally had to turn off the machine and start again. Is there a way to
interrupt a draft printing if something goes wrong??? I also used SHR Convert to put
graphics into Apple prefered format and when I tried to import them into the database
they came in inverse rather than as the normal colors they were created with. Am I
doing something wrong?? Please let me know what is up by E-mail. RaymondG6Subj:
Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-12-06 22:29:54 est
From: GS Bob
DHR-To stop printing with OA period on a DB, check your control panel settings to see
if the the printer buffer is on or off. Try off. This seems to help me. I haven't
tried this in any other module yet. I'm open for feedback. :)
GS BobSubj: Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-12-06 23:28:55 est
From: AFL Grafix
Nasher,
Did you say a 4400 _K_ clipboard--ie a 4.4 MEG clipboard???? How big a HD do you
have? And, yes, that certainly IS an incredibly large clipboard. (I saw the k in
your orignal report, but I assumed it was a typo, since it was well outside 2
standard deviations from the norm.)
Raymond,
I've not encountered that inversing of $C0 pics saved in Apple Preferred format, but
I'll try it and see if I can reproduce it.
MarianSubj: Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-12-06 23:33:13 est
From: AFL Grafix
Nasher,
Did you say a 4400 _K_ clipboard--ie a 4.4 MEG clipboard???? How big a HD do you
have? And, yes, that certainly IS an incredibly large clipboard. (I saw the k in
your orignal report, but I assumed it was a typo, since it was well outside 2
standard deviations from the norm.)
Raymond,
I've not encountered that inversing of $C0 pics saved in Apple Preferred format, but
I'll try it and see if I can reproduce it. Are you sure that the colors are coming
out "inverted" or are they just coming out looking funny--i.e., not the same color as
they were in the original picture.
If the latter is the case, that is due to the fact the the picture you imported is
almost certainly saved in 320 by 200 mode, whereas AWGS uses the higher resolution of
640 by 200 mode. The problem with using this higher resolution is that when 320 mode
graphics are imported, their colors when in AWGS are often way off what they were in
320 mode... remember 320 mode allows lots more gradations of color than does 640
mode.
This is true not only in AWGS, but also in Medley, both of which chose to use 640
mode for its higher resolution and better print quality.
Marian
MarianSubj: Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-12-07 01:16:33 est
From: SkipS
In regards to the large clipboard, I would like to see AWGS handle these situations
like most Mac programs do. If you quit a program while a large clipboard is active
the Mac prompts you "SAVE LARGE CLIPBOARD?". This gives the user a chance to make a
decision whether to waste time and disk space with a document or picture that may not
be needed anymore or keep the image for some future use. If the clipboard is saved
then it is automatically reloaded with the next application. I believe this requires
a resource fork which is not available with GS/OS (yet).
Skip
Subj: Re: Stopping Printing 88-12-07 06:05:39 est
From: AFL Oli
It's funny (or actually, not funny)... Just 10 minutes ago, I tried to print
something out in draft mode and stop the printing with OA-. No luck here either.
My print buffer is set to no, also...
Hmmm......Subj: Contents forwarded to Claris 88-12-10 21:37:40 est
From: AFL Grafix
I have archived all new comments in this topic and will forward them to Claris as
soon as I log off here.
MarianSubj: Moved Message 88-12-11 12:26:21 est
From: AFL Marty
Subj: Graphics into database 88-12-08 22:56:02 est
From: RaymondG6 Msgs: 6 (88-12-10)
I save some pictures with SHR Convert as Apple Preferred Format form or SHR pictures.
When I tried to load them into a graphic field on the database they come in in
inverse mode. Is there another form I am supposed to use, or has anyone else found
this problem? What form has the most success?? Thanks for suggestions and help.
Subj: Moved Message 88-12-11 12:26:42 est
From: AFL Marty
Subj: Re: Graphics into database 88-12-10 14:17:37 est
From: AFL Marty
This question was posted (and answered) in another topic.Subj: Moved Message
88-12-11 12:27:07 est
From: AFL Marty
Subj: Re: Graphics - where?? 88-12-10 19:11:01 est
From: RaymondG6
Thanks for the assistance Marty, but could you tell me where and in what folder?? It
sometimes becomes easy to lose where things are in here and expecially when you are
new at it or do not use it often. I will see if I can find it, but for me everything
I do to this system is also "LONG DISTANCE TOLL CHARGES" and for those of us outside
the usually dialing areas, on-line charges, plus long distances charges really up our
prices to telecommunicate with others. Subj: Moved Message
88-12-11 12:27:28 est
From: AFL Marty
Subj: Re: Graphics into database 88-12-10 20:47:45 est
From: AFL Grafix
Raymond,
I remember leaving an answer to your question, but I'm not sure exactly where it
was.... probably under Appleworks GS Questions or Graphics Module.
If I run across my answer, I'll come back here and let you know where I posted it.
Meanwhile, the gist of it was, are you sure the colors are inversed or that they just
appear to be the "wrong" colors. If the latter, then that is the result of the fact
that AWGS used 640 mode for its higher resolution and that most imported artwork is
in 320 mode, so this, of necesssity means that the colors will not "look right" since
the lower resolution mode allows more colors on the page, but gives you lower
resolution on the screen and in printing.
If you import 320 graphics into AWGS, be prepared to recolor the picture... see the
information about palettes, etc in the graphics module topic.
MarianSubj: Moved Message 88-12-11 12:27:53 est
From: AFL Marty
Subj: Where did I post it originally? 88-12-10 21:10:41 est
From: AFL Grafix
Raymond,
Your original question was posted in the AWGS Bug Reports section...and that is where
I posted my answer to it (slightly more detailed than the synopsis I just gave...but
not much more so)...
Marian
Subj: Moved Message 88-12-11 12:28:10 est
From: AFL Marty
Subj: Contents forwarded to Claris 88-12-10 21:41:44 est
From: AFL Grafix
I have archived all the comments in this topic and will forward them to Claris as
soon as I log off here.
MarianSubj: Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-12-11 14:49:53 est
From: Nerak
Several Classic Appleworks data bases which were converted to AWGS format and then
saved have refused to load - either totally crashing the system to the infamous
(restart-resume) screen or to a blank screen. Any suggestions? One is my C-mass
mailing list!
I am willing to send the data disk to Claris if necessary.
If these 'bugs' are simply 'undocumented features' then AWGS has enough 'ugly'
features to quailfy for a 'girning' contest -- that's where the contestants make the
worst faces they can -- frequently by taking out their false teeth-- listen up
Claris!! If you aren't interested in the Apple][ market and AWGS is your attempt to
kill it off...sell Styleware back to itself and let them have the rights to AWGS!@!
Subj: Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-12-11 18:28:20 est
From: AFL Grafix
Nerow,
AWGS certainly does have some bug still left in it, but I think jumping from that to
the conclusion that Claris doesn't care about the Apple II market is spurious.
First of all, if Claris weren't interested in the Apple II market, they would not
have bought Styleware, nor would they be pumping the $$ they are into marketing
AWGS.
Second, you need to remember how very complex a program AWGS and think about how
difficult it is to make a program that large (almost 800K) and that complex totally
bulletproof.
Marian (stepping off soapbox :)Subj: DB bug (forwarded message) 88-12-11
18:52:03 est
From: AFL Grafix
Subj: Re: AppleWorks GS Data Base 88-12-11 14:28:54 est
From: Nerak
I opened my Appleworks 2.1 mailing list database into AWGS, added some data and saved
under the same name. I accessed it a couple of times for adding info. Now whenever
I try to open or import the AWGS file it crashes to a fatal error (0306) or a black
screen with a single turquoise square in the upper left corner and I have to restart
the entire system.
This WAS my entire miling list -- any suggestions on recoverySubj: Similar DB Bug
(forwarded msg.) 88-12-11 18:52:38 est
From: AFL Grafix
Nerak,
Duh, try reopening the DB from AW 2.1 again (hopefully you didn't blow away the 2.1
original file once you imported it).
Guess this one isn't just me either... I loaded the States DB from AW 2.1 into AWGS
and it loaded and manipulated just fine...then I did the following--at the end of
which I had a DB that caused "bomb dialogs" every time I tried to create a report:
Marked all fields except State, Capital, Migration.
Added a Region Field
Sorted on Region and then on name
Formatted a report
Tried to Create a Report ---> bombs every time.
The funny thing is, I cold rebooted and went through this same sequence and had NO
problem that time... luckily I had saved my DB at various stages along the way.
I think your message and this one probably ought to go into the Bug Report section,
since, while my situation could not be replicated, it is VERY similar to the one you
reported...and the two should get reported to Claris, preferably side-by-side, so
they can perhaps find some common denominator.
Marian Subj: Trashing of long files in WP 88-12-11 18:57:39 est
From: AFL Grafix
(forwarded message)
Subj: Re: Trashing of long files in WP 88-12-11 00:31:47 est
From: EdwardF4
Marian --
I experienced the same thing (strangely enough, during my first session with AWGS): I
was editing a log file from a local BBS, about 47K (before I imported it into AWGS).
I had opened a second WP window, and was cutting items from the first window and
saving them to the second. On about the sixth cut and paste, I received the "Serious
system error has occurred", and when attempting to Resume, crashed into the Monitor.
I haven't duplicated this feat yet, but then I've only had AWGS for two days now.
-> EdwardSubj: Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-12-11 22:07:13 est
From: AFL Oli
Nerak, if you'd like someone to try loading the database on a different machine, I'm
willing. Just send it to me as a file attached to email. No processing, just send
as is.Subj: Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-12-16 22:01:22 est
From: PaulM86
I didnt take the time to read through all these but when I load a file from
Appleworks 2.0 it wont print even after I have renamed it and saved it on my awgs
file disk? Subj: Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-12-17 00:18:44 est
From: AFL Grafix
Paul,
What type of file--i.e. which of the 6 modules?
What is your hardware configuration, especially printer and interface?
Any additional information you can provide about the circumstances under which this
happens will (hopefully) help us figure out what the problem is.
MarianSubj: Re:Template problems (forwarded) 88-12-17 00:26:11 est
From: AFL Grafix
Subj: Re: AppleWorks GS Data Base 88-12-15 23:08:49 est
From: DHR
RE: Templates
I can't seem to get it. I'm sure I'm following the instructions in the manual
correctly. I have a DB with separate last name, first name, street address, city,
state, zip code and phone number fields. I'm trying to create a mailing label
template. I follow the instructions on page 149 of the User's Guide ie mark and hide
the existing name and address fields and use the CONCAT function to create new fields
using the formulas in the manual. Everything seems to look OK and I save the template
as instructed. The next time I open my DB and then try to open the template I get
the message Unable to load. Some fields incompatable with database. I,m at a loss.
I've read your info Marian and understand what your saying and the instructions in
the manuals but just can't seem to get it to work..... David Subj: Re: AppleWorks GS
Bug Reports 88-12-17 00:27:40 est
From: AFL Grafix
Since it sounded like David was doing all the right things but still having template
problems, I forwarded his message to this topic.
If you can offer him help, please do so in the Database Module section where his
question first appeared. In that same topic (Database Module), uyou can also read
the messages immediately preceding David's in which the procedure for defining
templates is described.
MarianSubj: Answer to DHR's Template probs 88-12-18 20:13:36 est
From: AFL Grafix
(forwarded from DB Module topic, for the benefit of those who only read Bug Reports
topic)
From: GS Samuel
DHR:
Others may have said this, but:
When you use "concat", you are probably creating some fields in your template that
don't exist in the master DB.
When you open a template, it can't have any fields that don't exist in the master DB.
The master DB can have more fields than the template file(s) but the reverse isn't
true. The templates are subsets of the DB.
Subj: More clarific. on DHR templ prob 88-12-18 20:15:11 est
From: AFL Grafix
(forwarded from DB Module topic for the benefit of those who only read the Bug
Reports topic)
From: Good Earth
David- I'm definitely not the one to offer in depth knowledge of AWGS, but it sounds
as if you are having the same problem I was. You have to have the new field names
already existing on your DB definition screen "before" you make new formula fields
with those names, example; my DB defintion screen looked like a patchwork quilt with
all the field names, first name, last name, address, p.o.box, city, state, zip, THEN
I had to add new field names for those that I was going to use in the template, Name
(my concat version of first & last), City-State (my concat version of city, state &
zip), if you identify these on your definition screen before creating them, they will
come in OK. We be havin' some fun now, eh! B) You can tell it is a "piece of cake"
from jim's "rocket fuel formula" a few letters back. Be patient - because you are not
alone! Hope this works for you.....GOOD EARTH
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From: Good Earth
David - I didn't finish what I started. Once you have your template set up and saved
you can use it with any DB that have all of the same fields. Just remember that the
DB you want to use your template with MUST have exactly the same fields in it as your
template, ALL of them. Sorry I didn't finish before. Best of luck.....GOOD EARTHSubj:
Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-12-29 19:07:04 est
From: Paulo10
Have had APWGS 5 days. Have seen the message..Serious system error 12 times during
cancel operations in SS and DB. Tonight I tried to upload a page file that I spent 3
hours working on last night. It included 3 column text and graphics. I got the
friendly message that "This file has been damaged" "OK"? NO IT IS NOT OK. Am I alone
in having this` problem?
This program runs like a beta version. I have a 1.25 meg APPLE card with Imagewriter
II. Have run all sorts of programs, including PW GOLD with no problems. Today I wrote
a letter to Claris from my IBM AT at work because my APWGS would have taken longer to
boot than it took me to write the message....
CLARIS<APPLE>{SOMEONE} Please help before I go back to BANK STREET WRITER.....Is it
just me?
Paulo10
Subj: Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-12-29 20:04:43 est
From: AFL Marty
No. It's not just you having problems. Everyone seems to be having problems to some
degree. Representatives from Claris Tech Support are scheduled to be in the
Productivity Forum Conference Hall at 9 PM on January 5th. Perhaps they will have an
answer for you.Subj: Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-12-29 21:16:42 est
From: PaulM86
Marion, it was my mistake. I was to impatient waiting for it to print. I found that
if I told the program to print draft things were speeded up nicely. Thanks for your
help.
PaulM86Subj: Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-12-31 17:26:22 est
From: HErwin
I've found that having 2-3.5" drives gets rid of a lot of the bugs in AWGS.
--Harry--Subj: Two 3.5 drives 89-01-01 17:43:21 est
From: AFL Marty
Hehehe -- maybe that's what they meant when they said two 3.5 drives are highly
recommended :)Subj: Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 89-01-03 21:45:23 est
From: Paulo10
I found after all my complaints of last week, that if I stay with "new APWSGS files"
and don't try importing old apw files I get a lot less systems crashes, but Today
after writing a report and trying to add in three graphics images to the page layout
module I found I had used up my entire 1.25 mgbytes of memory. Wow! What expansion
card~ sould I get Now. Does an Applied Engineering card accept the Apple card into
one of its two slots. How does it work..^|}@![#$%]&*()_<>\...Subj: Re: AppleWorks
GS Bug Reports 89-01-04 21:55:39 est
From: Mike Fenno
I've had Appleworks GS for about 3 weeks now and I'm still trying to figure it out.
The two bugs (out of thousands!) I would like to mention are that in all aplications,
if I try to print anything in draft mode,it runs the lines together. Well... not
actually together, it's hard to explane. It will print a line, and then take the last
few words in that line and add them to the beginning of the line in the left margin.
It will skip a few lines , and then do the same thing over again. This happens all
the time. It's a full time bug no matter how I set up the page setup, or other
options.
The second bug I have, is that I've trashed two disks sofar using the delete function
from the file menu. I was reading messages offline that I downloaded,and then
deleting them after importing them to the word processor. On about the third
deletion, I recieved the message "/filename may be damaged.. move data to another
disk" /
After that I could no longer access the disk. I had to re-format it. This has
happened twice to me.
Any comments would be aprieciated.
Mike Fenno