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[2022-08-18T00:48:31Z] <phinxy> There are dozens of us!! [2022-08-18T01:12:55Z] <virutalmachineus> systemd kiss is next [2022-08-18T01:18:20Z] <wael[m]> No [2022-08-18T01:18:29Z] <wael[m]> that is somewhat possible but holy shit is it not worth it [2022-08-18T02:19:06Z] <virutalmachineus> can't wait for the electron craze [2022-08-18T03:13:52Z] <midfavila> pretty sure sysd kiss is already a thing [2022-08-18T03:14:34Z] <virutalmachineus> yeah i think i saw it some where [2022-08-18T04:33:30Z] <testuser[m]12> Hi [2022-08-18T04:35:17Z] <wael[m]> o/ [2022-08-18T05:04:32Z] <rohan> yo [2022-08-18T05:04:49Z] <rohan> latest kernel still need patch? [2022-08-18T05:05:35Z] <wael[m]> 6.0-rc1? [2022-08-18T05:06:23Z] <rohan> 5.19.2 [2022-08-18T05:09:50Z] <wael[m]> still bash [2022-08-18T05:19:50Z] <rohan> guys [2022-08-18T05:19:53Z] <virutalmachineus> sheesh bash this bash that, when will the bloat end!! [2022-08-18T05:20:09Z] <rohan> what happened to libglvnd? [2022-08-18T05:20:11Z] <virutalmachineus> if systemd wasn't bad enough [2022-08-18T05:20:27Z] <wael[m]> @rohan : wdym [2022-08-18T05:20:46Z] <wael[m]> it can be made with and by mesa [2022-08-18T05:21:05Z] <wael[m]> @virutalmachineuser : you cannot escape bloat, only lower it [2022-08-18T05:22:48Z] <rohan> i mean the package in community [2022-08-18T05:22:54Z] <rohan> dropped? [2022-08-18T05:23:00Z] <rohan> i used to need it for glew [2022-08-18T05:23:16Z] <rohan> i tried to build and now rebuild to package to community [2022-08-18T05:23:24Z] <wael[m]> do you have an amd/Intel gpu [2022-08-18T05:24:26Z] <wael[m]> also yes libglvnd was dropped since may [2022-08-18T05:24:38Z] <wael[m]> but I still believe mesa provides libglvnd already [2022-08-18T05:24:49Z] <wael[m]> not as a dependency but it builds it [2022-08-18T05:28:40Z] <rohan> its because glew says it needs opengl [2022-08-18T05:28:48Z] <rohan> and not have it build [2022-08-18T05:28:55Z] <wael[m]> try to build without it [2022-08-18T05:29:01Z] <wael[m]> remove it as a dependency [2022-08-18T05:29:02Z] <rohan> use amd system [2022-08-18T05:30:21Z] <rohan> but how? [2022-08-18T05:30:23Z] <virutalmachineus> <wael[m]> "@virutalmachineuser : you cannot..." <- well there's always the vm route, small and contained. [2022-08-18T05:30:27Z] <wael[m]> where is glew? [2022-08-18T05:30:35Z] <wael[m]> its not in community [2022-08-18T05:30:44Z] <wael[m]> @virutalmachineuser what's your setup virtual machine user [2022-08-18T05:31:23Z] <virutalmachineus> vm is where all the bloat goes including bloated firefox [2022-08-18T05:32:09Z] <wael[m]> wouldn't it take more resources to run nearly everything in a vm [2022-08-18T05:32:29Z] <wael[m]> if it's for security its acceptable but for avoiding bloat, really? [2022-08-18T05:32:39Z] <virutalmachineus> yeah but it's secure and free from the bloat [2022-08-18T05:32:57Z] <virutalmachineus> it's ijust nice not having bloat in your main system [2022-08-18T05:33:18Z] <wael[m]> what do you have then, what do you run on your host [2022-08-18T05:33:53Z] <virutalmachineus> i compile in the vm then install in main [2022-08-18T05:34:05Z] <virutalmachineus> it's really small [2022-08-18T05:34:42Z] <virutalmachineus> so no build tools in main system [2022-08-18T05:34:51Z] <wael[m]> what... [2022-08-18T05:34:59Z] <wael[m]> from 1 to 10 how schizo are you [2022-08-18T05:35:43Z] <virutalmachineus> what's wrong? [2022-08-18T05:36:38Z] <virutalmachineus> i'm just a hardcore vm user [2022-08-18T05:37:20Z] <wael[m]> nah man you aint hardcore you are bigger than that [2022-08-18T05:37:27Z] <wael[m]> hardcore is 12 you are 48 [2022-08-18T05:45:02Z] <virutalmachineus> nah you are just mistaken, i'm not pure tty only autistic(well not yet(joking)). [2022-08-18T05:48:33Z] <wael[m]> noted [2022-08-18T08:46:59Z] <raph_ael> if you mind about security, you can run chroot or firejail [2022-08-18T08:47:03Z] <raph_ael> simplier than a vm [2022-08-18T08:56:42Z] <virutalmachineus> <raph_ael> "if you mind about security..." <- chroot is not security and firejail makes things worse [2022-08-18T08:58:13Z] <virutalmachineus> and compiling source code in root is a with chroot is not a no for me [2022-08-18T08:58:25Z] <virutalmachineus> qemu can run in user mode [2022-08-18T08:59:12Z] <virutalmachineus> you should have to have scripts setup to connect the tap device [2022-08-18T08:59:31Z] <virutalmachineus> s/should/just/ [2022-08-18T09:00:33Z] <virutalmachineus> s/should/just/, s/setup//, s/connect/setup/ [2022-08-18T09:01:05Z] <virutalmachineus> s/is a//, s/not// [2022-08-18T09:11:46Z] <raph_ael> seems a bit painful for me [2022-08-18T09:15:47Z] <virutalmachineus> if you have scripts it's quite simple [2022-08-18T09:16:09Z] <virutalmachineus> to each there own [2022-08-18T09:17:24Z] <virutalmachineus> qemu also has mircovms, boots really fast [2022-08-18T11:57:24Z] <wael[m]> is there a xxd alternative available? [2022-08-18T17:04:46Z] <testuser[m]12> <wael[m]> "is there a xxd alternative..." <- https://github.com/vim/vim/blob/master/src/xxd/xxd.c [2022-08-18T17:05:11Z] <testuser[m]12> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/vim/vim/83e11800cc3775de3135ac7d823137c8c1e87fa1/src/xxd/xxd.c [2022-08-18T17:21:35Z] <testuser[m]12> Does anyone have some idea about how many people outside this irc use KISS lol [2022-08-18T17:32:17Z] <sad_plan> hi [2022-08-18T17:35:24Z] <sad_plan> testuser[m]12: wouldnt that just be guessswork? I mean, you could fetch the stats from github though, which could give a somewhat pinpoint [2022-08-18T17:37:15Z] <testuser[m]12> It show's 100+ clones but it's probably bots [2022-08-18T17:40:10Z] <testuser[m]12> Latest tarball released on 22 june has 175 downloads [2022-08-18T17:56:03Z] <sad_plan> thats something to go on atleast. how many people voted on the poll earlier? if you recall I mean :p [2022-08-18T17:59:00Z] <sad_plan> in any case, that would probably give us a more defintive number on how many users there were at that time anyway. [2022-08-18T18:03:18Z] <phoebos> tarball downloads are mainly only new users though [2022-08-18T18:03:32Z] <phoebos> 175 seems a lot [2022-08-18T18:04:08Z] <phoebos> i feel like it was only about 20 people who answered the poll [2022-08-18T18:04:29Z] <phoebos> which was pretty much just people active in irc [2022-08-18T18:45:59Z] <sad_plan> yeah, Id also say that seems like alot. I mean, KISS is really niche. we do occationally see new people here, aswell as on reddit, but 175 seems alot, like you said. [2022-08-18T18:46:44Z] <sad_plan> yeah, something like that I suppose. [2022-08-18T20:02:08Z] <rohan> someone have gimp packaged? [2022-08-18T20:13:42Z] <virutalmachineus> https://github.com/eudaldgr/kiss-garbage/tree/master/gfx/gimp [2022-08-18T20:13:58Z] <virutalmachineus> it's quite old you might need to update it [2022-08-18T21:17:42Z] <phinxy> rohan: I have GIMP 2.99.10 but it's not neat. There are cumbersome dependencies, too [2022-08-18T21:36:40Z] <rohan> can you send me a link to repo? [2022-08-18T21:36:52Z] <phinxy> just a sec [2022-08-18T21:38:41Z] <phinxy> https://gitlab.com/tropical/kisslinux_2007_macbook/-/tree/main/gimp [2022-08-18T21:39:10Z] <phinxy> But I haven't pushed the required libraries gimp depends on [2022-08-18T21:42:00Z] <phinxy> atk amongst others..