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2021-04-17T01:12:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=fc9lcCw91YE
2021-04-17T01:12:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> song of the day suggestion acheam
2021-04-17T03:38:04 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hi
2021-04-17T04:17:22 #kisslinux <kiedtl> iH
2021-04-17T05:12:17 #kisslinux <jslick> ih
2021-04-17T07:50:21 #kisslinux <spryc> o/
2021-04-17T07:50:32 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi
2021-04-17T07:51:11 #kisslinux <spryc> will compiling be unbearable on a 2c4t 2.16 ghz?
2021-04-17T07:51:57 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> most stuff builds pretty fast even on my single core vps
2021-04-17T07:52:02 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> you def wont be building firefox though
2021-04-17T07:52:19 #kisslinux <spryc> hehe
2021-04-17T07:52:26 #kisslinux <spryc> i have another laptop running nothing rn
2021-04-17T07:52:32 #kisslinux <spryc> thats 2c4t 3.5ghz
2021-04-17T12:53:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> anyone named Den join the channel within the past two-ish hours?
2021-04-17T12:53:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> i just woke up and someone from Freenode with that handle poked me around quarter-after eight my time...
2021-04-17T12:54:03 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> yep, he was here for a little over an hour looks like
2021-04-17T12:54:10 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> Den (~upper⊙1219)
2021-04-17T12:54:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> Ah, cool. Probably not a bot then.
2021-04-17T12:54:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> Now I feel bad for not responding.
2021-04-17T12:54:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> Oh well.
2021-04-17T12:54:41 #kisslinux <firstbootfreezes> I am installing kiss, but the boot freezes and says ---[end end kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount rootfs on unknown-block(0,-)   ]---
2021-04-17T12:54:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> three things
2021-04-17T12:55:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> are you specifying the root=/dev/whatever in your kernel parameters
2021-04-17T12:55:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> do you have the correct listing in your /etc/fstab
2021-04-17T12:55:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> does your kernel support the filesystem it's formatted in
2021-04-17T12:55:34 #kisslinux <firstbootfreezes> 1. I dont know.
2021-04-17T12:55:42 #kisslinux <firstbootfreezes> 2.  Yes
2021-04-17T12:55:51 #kisslinux <firstbootfreezes> 3. Yes
2021-04-17T12:56:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> 1. you should probably check. assuming you're using busybox, but I don't use that so I dunno if I can help
2021-04-17T12:56:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> 2. good
2021-04-17T12:56:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> 3. make sure it's compiled in and not a module.
2021-04-17T12:56:53 #kisslinux <firstbootfreezes> Btw heres a pastebin link with everything I could think to add ie. fstab grub.cfg https://pastebin.com/qDxe2cxq
2021-04-17T12:57:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, grub
2021-04-17T12:57:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> ew
2021-04-17T12:57:07 #kisslinux <firstbootfreezes> How do I check
2021-04-17T12:57:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> should be under... I think /boot/grub/grub.cfg
2021-04-17T12:57:49 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> <firstbootfreezes "1. I dont know."> You can hardcode root= in your kernel config, so do it there if you're not sure
2021-04-17T12:58:34 #kisslinux <firstbootfreezes> How would I do that?
2021-04-17T12:59:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, god damnit. harfbuzz is getting linker errors... these are always a pain to troubleshoot
2021-04-17T13:00:38 #kisslinux <firstbootfreezes> Should I just find an alternative to grub?
2021-04-17T13:00:48 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> What are they midfavila
2021-04-17T13:00:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean, I always suggest that people use literally anything else, firstbootfreezes
2021-04-17T13:01:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> extlinux is nice and simple
2021-04-17T13:01:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> testuser_[m] undefined reference to `__gxx_personality_v0'
2021-04-17T13:01:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> then errors out with exit status 1, then ninja dies
2021-04-17T13:02:43 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I'm using syslinux (extlinux), instead of grub.
2021-04-17T13:02:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> syslinux gang
2021-04-17T13:03:09 #kisslinux <soliwilos> It's much nicer.
2021-04-17T13:03:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> i still think it would be a better choice for KISS' standard bootloader
2021-04-17T13:03:44 #kisslinux * midfavila engages in exceptionally nuanced and subtle influencing of the BDFL
2021-04-17T13:04:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, wait
2021-04-17T13:05:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> looking at it, it means there's a missing entry for that gxx_personality_v0 thing in libstdc++
2021-04-17T13:05:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's...
2021-04-17T13:05:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> concerning?
2021-04-17T13:05:23 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Try adding -lstdc++ manually to ldflags
2021-04-17T13:05:29 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Inb4 CXX=gcc
2021-04-17T13:05:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> I normally don't tinker with ldflags lmao
2021-04-17T13:06:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> will give it a shot
2021-04-17T13:06:28 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I'm not sure why it isn't already? syslinux used to be in the repo's as well, a long time ago.
2021-04-17T13:06:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> GRUB seems very antithetical to KISS
2021-04-17T13:06:48 #kisslinux <spryc> im using efibootmgr
2021-04-17T13:06:55 #kisslinux <spryc> id use syslinux if i used BIOS and not uefi
2021-04-17T13:07:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> >he uses efi
2021-04-17T13:07:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> HEATHEN
2021-04-17T13:07:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, yeah, that worked. thanks testuser_[m]
2021-04-17T13:07:31 #kisslinux <spryc> why would i not use it?
2021-04-17T13:07:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...weird, because I've never run into that error before...
2021-04-17T13:07:41 #kisslinux <spryc> my laptops don't support it tho :/
2021-04-17T13:07:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I mean, for me, it's less of a "why not" and more of a "why"
2021-04-17T13:08:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> EFI overcomplicates the boot process, offers basically zero practical benefits, and is just generally a massive mess
2021-04-17T13:08:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> being able to play DOOM without an OS is cool and all but like
2021-04-17T13:08:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...eh?
2021-04-17T13:08:43 #kisslinux <spryc> hmm
2021-04-17T13:09:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> tldr bios Just Werks
2021-04-17T13:09:21 #kisslinux <spryc> glad uefi just werks for me
2021-04-17T13:09:30 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-04-17T13:09:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've read that in theory uefi can enable things like OS-transparent device drivers
2021-04-17T13:10:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> so you can have one GPU driver that runs on all OSes
2021-04-17T13:10:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> or whatever
2021-04-17T13:10:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> but...
2021-04-17T13:10:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> clearly that's not a thing
2021-04-17T13:11:23 #kisslinux <spryc> what about u-boot?
2021-04-17T13:11:44 #kisslinux <firstbootfreezes> Ok so should I just reinstall kiss with extlinux or what
2021-04-17T13:11:55 #kisslinux <spryc> no need to reinstall
2021-04-17T13:11:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you want to use extlinux, you don't need to reinstall
2021-04-17T13:12:00 #kisslinux <spryc> you can just remove grub
2021-04-17T13:12:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> just overwrite your existing bootloader
2021-04-17T13:12:16 #kisslinux <firstbootfreezes> Alright I will give it a try
2021-04-17T13:12:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> as for u-boot, isn't it supposed to be for embedded systems?
2021-04-17T13:12:41 #kisslinux <spryc> not sure, it is listed in a document about simple software i sometimes look at
2021-04-17T13:12:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> what, the one on github?
2021-04-17T13:12:57 #kisslinux <spryc> yeah
2021-04-17T13:13:05 #kisslinux <spryc> mayfrosts thing
2021-04-17T13:13:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> i disagree with a lot of what's on that
2021-04-17T13:13:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...if it's the list I'm thinking of
2021-04-17T13:13:21 #kisslinux <spryc> well it's just sorted by size
2021-04-17T13:13:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's a poor qualifier for minimalism
2021-04-17T13:13:44 #kisslinux <spryc> yes sometimes
2021-04-17T13:14:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> imho minimalism is about doing the most with the least waste. for example
2021-04-17T13:14:11 #kisslinux <firstbootfreezes> Uriels list on cat-v is the best list.
2021-04-17T13:14:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> imagine if we had hundreds of text processing tools that did individual things, instead of awk
2021-04-17T13:14:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> i would argue that that's very not-minimal
2021-04-17T13:14:44 #kisslinux <spryc> grub is not listed as harmful!
2021-04-17T13:14:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> grub is a GNU project and therefore automatically B L O A T
2021-04-17T13:15:07 #kisslinux <spryc> i know....
2021-04-17T13:15:08 #kisslinux <zenomat> why is GNU bloat?
2021-04-17T13:15:15 #kisslinux <spryc> gnu likes to extend things
2021-04-17T13:15:16 #kisslinux <spryc> a lot
2021-04-17T13:15:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> so the GNU=bloat is kind of a meme
2021-04-17T13:15:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> but also
2021-04-17T13:15:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> see above
2021-04-17T13:15:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> but also
2021-04-17T13:15:33 #kisslinux <spryc> a good example is groff
2021-04-17T13:15:44 #kisslinux <spryc> one of the worst troff implementations
2021-04-17T13:15:54 #kisslinux <firstbootfreezes>  Sam reason bash is bloated it does more than what any regular user needs
2021-04-17T13:15:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> GNU's software is old and crufty, and they have to both keep compatibility *and* push forward the state of the art
2021-04-17T13:15:59 #kisslinux <spryc> that tries to do everything and go against the old way with pipelines
2021-04-17T13:16:16 #kisslinux <spryc> s/go/goes
2021-04-17T13:16:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> they're in a position where it's kind of impossible to *not* be bloated
2021-04-17T13:16:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> i only use their tools when there's no alternative e.g inetutils
2021-04-17T13:16:50 #kisslinux <zenomat> uff, thats a lot. alright, thanks
2021-04-17T13:17:15 #kisslinux <firstbootfreezes> Do u use gcc
2021-04-17T13:17:17 #kisslinux <spryc> groff for example builds in output to PDF instead of using a post processor
2021-04-17T13:17:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> i use gcc begrudgingly
2021-04-17T13:17:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> between bloat and corporate shilling i'd choose bloat
2021-04-17T13:17:44 #kisslinux <spryc> when it doesn't even get basic things like proper unicode support right
2021-04-17T13:17:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> ideally we'd all be using 8cc or tcc or something
2021-04-17T13:18:25 #kisslinux <spryc> you used to be able to compile the linux kernel with tcc
2021-04-17T13:18:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, I know
2021-04-17T13:18:29 #kisslinux <spryc> dont think you can
2021-04-17T13:18:31 #kisslinux <spryc> anymore
2021-04-17T13:18:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> for a while there was a bootloader that compiled a kernel as part of the boot process
2021-04-17T13:18:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao
2021-04-17T13:19:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> "i'm such a hacker, I compile my system from source on every boot. get on my level kiddo"
2021-04-17T13:19:12 #kisslinux <spryc> i dont get how they fucked up groff so bad
2021-04-17T13:19:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I use roff, I use 9base's roff
2021-04-17T13:19:57 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Has anyone tried booting with kexec?
2021-04-17T13:19:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> but most of the time I'm content with formatting things in mandoc
2021-04-17T13:20:01 #kisslinux <spryc> plan 9 troff is quite good yes
2021-04-17T13:20:13 #kisslinux <spryc> i use neatroff because it has some very neat features�
2021-04-17T13:20:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't write papers or anything like that, just notes, and mandoc is nice for that
2021-04-17T13:20:27 #kisslinux <spryc> like clickable urls and clickable table of contents
2021-04-17T13:20:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> that is pretty neat
2021-04-17T13:20:36 #kisslinux <spryc> which i need for school work
2021-04-17T13:20:49 #kisslinux <spryc> yeah its nice that it can use some of the PDF features
2021-04-17T13:21:04 #kisslinux <spryc> plan 9�'s troff at least has proper unicode support
2021-04-17T13:21:21 #kisslinux <spryc> unlike groff. and that was written ���~15 years later
2021-04-17T13:21:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...meanwhile, I don't even know if I have proper unicode support
2021-04-17T13:21:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> are you using a weird encoding or something?
2021-04-17T13:21:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm getting a lot of random question marks in your messages
2021-04-17T13:21:44 #kisslinux <spryc> i am too
2021-04-17T13:21:52 #kisslinux <spryc> i was finding the key for ~
2021-04-17T13:21:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> Ah, fair.
2021-04-17T13:22:09 #kisslinux <spryc> then i deleted what i typed and it had those question marks instead�
2021-04-17T13:22:12 #kisslinux <spryc> like there
2021-04-17T13:22:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> weird
2021-04-17T13:23:06 #kisslinux <spryc> i accidentally typed �¨ then removed it
2021-04-17T13:23:10 #kisslinux <spryc> and it left that question mark
2021-04-17T13:23:14 #kisslinux <spryc> really don't know why
2021-04-17T13:24:15 #kisslinux <thermatix> hai
2021-04-17T13:25:04 #kisslinux <thermatix> I made an impulse buy and got a Lenovo idea pad 5 with a 4700u, 16GB ram and a 512GB M.2 for £719.99, did I make a mistake?
2021-04-17T13:25:04 #kisslinux <thermatix> I mean it's too late to regret but still
2021-04-17T13:25:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> you bought a lenovo
2021-04-17T13:25:25 #kisslinux <thermatix> meaning?
2021-04-17T13:25:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> so not great
2021-04-17T13:25:33 #kisslinux <firstbootfreezes> What are you using it for
2021-04-17T13:25:35 #kisslinux <konimex> the spec's solid enough
2021-04-17T13:25:38 #kisslinux <thermatix> coding
2021-04-17T13:25:42 #kisslinux <konimex> I can't speak for the price though
2021-04-17T13:25:42 #kisslinux <thermatix> web-browsing
2021-04-17T13:25:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...a 4700u for 700-ish pounds?
2021-04-17T13:25:57 #kisslinux <spryc> specs look nice, dont know about pricing on laptops
2021-04-17T13:25:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's what, 1400cad?
2021-04-17T13:26:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> i would pay maybe 300
2021-04-17T13:26:16 #kisslinux <thermatix> from what I've seen on the internet it seems about right
2021-04-17T13:26:20 #kisslinux <konimex> how many cores in a 4700U? and speed?
2021-04-17T13:26:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> if it's an older u,
2021-04-17T13:26:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> it should be two cores, four threads
2021-04-17T13:26:33 #kisslinux <firstbootfreezes> U could get an ibm5155 and code on it man
2021-04-17T13:26:36 #kisslinux <thermatix> I did find a Clevo laptop for around 600 with the same CPU (but no HDD)
2021-04-17T13:26:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> probably high 1ghz lows and high twos or low threes boost
2021-04-17T13:26:46 #kisslinux <thermatix> 8 cores, 16 threads
2021-04-17T13:26:49 #kisslinux <spryc> 700 pound is 1200 CAD
2021-04-17T13:26:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh wait what
2021-04-17T13:26:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...4700u...
2021-04-17T13:27:02 #kisslinux <spryc> its an amd
2021-04-17T13:27:04 #kisslinux <konimex> it's an AMD, not an Intel
2021-04-17T13:27:04 #kisslinux <thermatix> ryzen 7 4700u
2021-04-17T13:27:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> isn't that a haswell chip-
2021-04-17T13:27:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh
2021-04-17T13:27:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay, never mind then
2021-04-17T13:27:18 #kisslinux <spryc> thats more powerful than my desktop lol...
2021-04-17T13:27:27 #kisslinux <thermatix> lol, sorry I thought it would be obvious my bad
2021-04-17T13:27:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> nah it's w/e
2021-04-17T13:27:36 #kisslinux <thermatix> but yeah
2021-04-17T13:27:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't use AMD CPUs
2021-04-17T13:27:41 #kisslinux <spryc> mines an r5 2600
2021-04-17T13:27:46 #kisslinux <firstbootfreezes> Same
2021-04-17T13:27:49 #kisslinux <konimex> 8 cores looks solid though if you install KISS there, that's quite beefy
2021-04-17T13:27:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> imagine not having 24 cores
2021-04-17T13:28:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> ryzenlets
2021-04-17T13:28:16 #kisslinux <thermatix> psh
2021-04-17T13:28:18 #kisslinux <spryc> stuff compiles fast enough on my 6c12t @ 4ghz
2021-04-17T13:28:18 #kisslinux <thermatix> don't need any more
2021-04-17T13:28:24 #kisslinux <thermatix> but.. NOW I CAN MOVE LINUX TO THE LAPTOP!
2021-04-17T13:28:37 #kisslinux <thermatix> soo happy I can move from a VM
2021-04-17T13:28:46 #kisslinux <thermatix> oh and I'm moving as well
2021-04-17T13:28:47 #kisslinux <konimex> looking at the pic of ideapad 5 though, it won't last long on my hands
2021-04-17T13:28:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> if Xeon 26xxv4 processors didn't still cost a pretty penny I'd have a pair of 2690v4 Xeons
2021-04-17T13:28:50 #kisslinux <thermatix> to an apartment
2021-04-17T13:28:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> but as it stands, they're like 2-300CAD a pop
2021-04-17T13:29:22 #kisslinux <spryc> i have an ideapad 330 as second laptop it is very low spec tho
2021-04-17T13:29:36 #kisslinux <spryc> and yeah the build quality isn't very solid
2021-04-17T13:29:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, it's a 15"
2021-04-17T13:29:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> seems a bit large for a laptop
2021-04-17T13:29:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm more of a notebook guy
2021-04-17T13:29:57 #kisslinux <spryc> i have a 15" T60
2021-04-17T13:30:03 #kisslinux <spryc> the widescreen 16:10 one
2021-04-17T13:30:15 #kisslinux <thermatix> iugh
2021-04-17T13:30:21 #kisslinux <thermatix> I don't like 16:10
2021-04-17T13:30:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> widescreen is shit in general
2021-04-17T13:30:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> change my goddamn mind
2021-04-17T13:30:32 #kisslinux <spryc> t60 were available in 16:10 or 4:3
2021-04-17T13:30:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> high-res 4:3 is the best option
2021-04-17T13:30:50 #kisslinux <spryc> i just got the widescreen one since that was what i got a good deal on
2021-04-17T13:30:58 #kisslinux <spryc> it was only 30€
2021-04-17T13:31:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> where's my 2048x1536 monitor at, huh?
2021-04-17T13:31:06 #kisslinux <spryc> almost nothing
2021-04-17T13:31:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> why can't I *have* it?
2021-04-17T13:31:10 #kisslinux <spryc> for a fully working lapotp
2021-04-17T13:31:41 #kisslinux <thermatix> I still to get a screen and laptop stand
2021-04-17T13:31:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you're getting a screen for a laptop
2021-04-17T13:31:55 #kisslinux <spryc> the screen is quite good too, it does use a CCFL backlight so eventually it will get very dim
2021-04-17T13:31:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> literally just get one from a junkyard or something
2021-04-17T13:32:02 #kisslinux <thermatix> it's so I can have two screens
2021-04-17T13:32:36 #kisslinux <spryc> my t60 has the 1680x1050 display
2021-04-17T13:32:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> so close to 1600x1200...
2021-04-17T13:33:13 #kisslinux <spryc> looks good for being 15 years old
2021-04-17T13:33:30 #kisslinux <thermatix> yeah
2021-04-17T13:33:36 #kisslinux <spryc> i which i could have found a 4:3 one tho
2021-04-17T13:33:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> there are some really impressive displays from yesterdecade
2021-04-17T13:33:50 #kisslinux <thermatix> wasn't 1680 kinda common 15yrs ago?>
2021-04-17T13:34:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> my current setup is a triple-head with LaCie 321 displays
2021-04-17T13:34:16 #kisslinux <spryc> my desktop has 2 screens
2021-04-17T13:34:23 #kisslinux <spryc> both 1080�p tho
2021-04-17T13:34:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> 63" total, all 1600x1200
2021-04-17T13:34:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> although two are vertically-oriented
2021-04-17T13:34:45 #kisslinux <spryc> i have a 144hz 1080p and a 60hz 1080p
2021-04-17T13:34:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> I got a bulk deal on these, aside from a slight bruise on one of them, great deal
2021-04-17T13:35:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> fantastic color accuracy, too
2021-04-17T13:35:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> i guess they were used for video production systems, or something
2021-04-17T13:35:39 #kisslinux <spryc> mine is an IPS
2021-04-17T13:35:50 #kisslinux <spryc> it's quite good
2021-04-17T13:35:58 #kisslinux <spryc> i wish i would have gotten a higher res and lower refresh rate tho
2021-04-17T13:35:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> Idek what these are. probably not ips
2021-04-17T13:36:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> isn't ips supposed to have wild viewing angles?
2021-04-17T13:36:09 #kisslinux <spryc> yeah
2021-04-17T13:36:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, these aren't IPS then
2021-04-17T13:36:17 #kisslinux <spryc> i can pretty much stand at whatever angle
2021-04-17T13:36:23 #kisslinux <spryc> and the colours look same
2021-04-17T13:36:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> they don't have bad angles, but if you're at like... i'd say around a 75 degree angle or greater it starts to get funky
2021-04-17T13:37:06 #kisslinux <spryc> there was a t60 with a 1600x1200 display
2021-04-17T13:37:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> tl;dr sit in front of them as god intended and everything is find
2021-04-17T13:37:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> god that sounds hot
2021-04-17T13:37:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> 1600x1200 on laptops is mmfh~
2021-04-17T13:37:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's no better resolution
2021-04-17T13:37:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> like, for general use
2021-04-17T13:37:43 #kisslinux <thermatix> hmm although the screen on this laptop is FHD it's actually really nice (to me at least)
2021-04-17T13:37:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> i hate the term fhd
2021-04-17T13:38:01 #kisslinux <spryc> ori gotta change the ccf�l backlight soon most likely
2021-04-17T13:38:05 #kisslinux <spryc> i
2021-04-17T13:38:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> because most people tend to only apply it to widescreens
2021-04-17T13:38:10 #kisslinux <spryc> s/ori/i/
2021-04-17T13:38:10 #kisslinux <movzbl> <spryc> i
2021-04-17T13:38:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it's like
2021-04-17T13:38:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> s'long as it has the same number of pixels or greater...
2021-04-17T13:38:30 #kisslinux <thermatix> well FHD is faster then 1920x1080 and it's seperate from 720p HD
2021-04-17T13:38:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> >faster
2021-04-17T13:38:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> excuse me wat
2021-04-17T13:38:53 #kisslinux <thermatix> FHD is faster to type then 1920x1080
2021-04-17T13:39:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay I was gonna say
2021-04-17T13:39:07 #kisslinux <thermatix> no I get it
2021-04-17T13:39:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> i thought you meant refresh rates lmao
2021-04-17T13:39:19 #kisslinux <thermatix> I could have articulated my self better
2021-04-17T13:40:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> man what I'd give to have a set of SGI monitors though...
2021-04-17T13:40:48 #kisslinux <spryc> midfavila: did you know there are WUXGA T61's
2021-04-17T13:40:49 #kisslinux <thermatix> opinion time! should I leave windows on the laptop and dual boot? since it's like a 512GB hdd and I probably won't use that much
2021-04-17T13:41:01 #kisslinux <thermatix> though I think it has bitlocker enabled?
2021-04-17T13:41:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> >asking a gahnoo loonix chat if you should leave windows on
2021-04-17T13:41:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> come on.
2021-04-17T13:41:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> you know the answer.
2021-04-17T13:41:36 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> s/gahnoo//
2021-04-17T13:41:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> GAH
2021-04-17T13:41:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> NOO
2021-04-17T13:41:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> SYSTEM
2021-04-17T13:41:53 #kisslinux <thermatix> well, I was thinking of just wiping it
2021-04-17T13:42:26 #kisslinux <spryc> get windows outta here!
2021-04-17T13:44:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> goddamnit it's snowing again
2021-04-17T13:44:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> isn't it supposed to be spring
2021-04-17T13:44:23 #kisslinux <spryc> imagine!
2021-04-17T13:44:29 #kisslinux <spryc> it's 20C here
2021-04-17T13:44:40 #kisslinux <thermatix> snowing?
2021-04-17T13:44:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> i know, imagine living in canada and it not snowing 2/3rds of the year
2021-04-17T13:44:42 #kisslinux <thermatix> sure it's not ash?
2021-04-17T13:44:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> no, it's snow
2021-04-17T13:44:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's like -4C rn I think
2021-04-17T13:45:18 #kisslinux <thermatix> any one else have a gmail account?
2021-04-17T13:45:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> first you use windows
2021-04-17T13:45:25 #kisslinux <thermatix> just want to know if they access it?
2021-04-17T13:45:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> now you use google
2021-04-17T13:45:27 #kisslinux <spryc> im moving back to sweden next year so i would also have snow at this time most likely
2021-04-17T13:45:42 #kisslinux <thermatix> oi
2021-04-17T13:45:48 #kisslinux <thermatix> the laptop came with windows on it
2021-04-17T13:45:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't you oi me
2021-04-17T13:45:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's no excuse for this heresy
2021-04-17T13:45:57 #kisslinux <spryc> burn the hard drive
2021-04-17T13:45:59 #kisslinux <spryc> once infected
2021-04-17T13:46:02 #kisslinux <spryc> always infected
2021-04-17T13:46:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> exorcise it
2021-04-17T13:46:20 #kisslinux <thermatix> :D
2021-04-17T13:46:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> :DDDDD
2021-04-17T13:46:43 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> D:
2021-04-17T14:20:52 #kisslinux <phoebos> nice blogs, dilyn
2021-04-17T14:20:57 #kisslinux <phoebos> i enjoyed them
2021-04-17T14:21:09 #kisslinux <phoebos> oh they're not here ah well
2021-04-17T14:21:09 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: oops yeah I think I forgot to change it yesterdat
2021-04-17T14:22:11 #kisslinux <phoebos> has any tried building hikari recently
2021-04-17T14:22:23 #kisslinux <phoebos> what the hell is fc9lcCw91YE
2021-04-17T14:22:44 #kisslinux <phoebos> ohh i thought it was the WOTD
2021-04-17T14:23:07 #kisslinux <acheam> hehe yeah its hard to tell on catgirl sometimes the way it does diff topics
2021-04-17T14:23:17 #kisslinux <acheam> this wotd is special for you :)
2021-04-17T14:23:18 #kisslinux <phoebos> it's weird
2021-04-17T14:23:28 #kisslinux <acheam> you can always just run /topic
2021-04-17T14:23:38 #kisslinux <phoebos> aye
2021-04-17T14:26:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Where's the word of the day
2021-04-17T14:27:20 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> KISS Linux | https://k1sslinux.org | "the meme has gone too far" | logs: https://freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux/ | song of the day: https://vid.puffyan.us/fc9lcCw91YE
2021-04-17T14:28:49 #kisslinux <acheam> uhhh I thought I set it
2021-04-17T14:29:01 #kisslinux <phoebos> mais non
2021-04-17T14:29:51 #kisslinux <acheam> there
2021-04-17T14:31:03 #kisslinux <phoebos> nice
2021-04-17T14:31:14 #kisslinux <phoebos> what are you meaning with the case?
2021-04-17T14:31:33 #kisslinux <acheam> that's up to you to interpret
2021-04-17T14:31:34 #kisslinux <phoebos> o, bacchic ecstaties?
2021-04-17T14:31:40 #kisslinux <acheam> indeed
2021-04-17T14:32:07 #kisslinux <phoebos> s/ecstaties/ecstasies/
2021-04-17T14:32:07 #kisslinux <movzbl> <phoebos> o, bacchic ecstasies?
2021-04-17T14:32:16 #kisslinux <phoebos> i canny spell english
2021-04-17T14:32:34 #kisslinux <phoebos> does irc use unicode
2021-04-17T14:32:40 #kisslinux <phoebos> χαιρε
2021-04-17T14:32:46 #kisslinux <acheam> I think thats up to the client
2021-04-17T14:32:50 #kisslinux <acheam> yes that works for me
2021-04-17T14:32:55 #kisslinux <phoebos> ah
2021-04-17T14:33:06 #kisslinux <phoebos> catgirl?
2021-04-17T14:33:11 #kisslinux <acheam> ye
2021-04-17T14:33:17 #kisslinux <phoebos> nice
2021-04-17T14:33:35 #kisslinux <phoebos> logbot likes it too
2021-04-17T14:33:50 #kisslinux <acheam> cool
2021-04-17T14:34:08 #kisslinux <acheam> i'd be a bit surprised if whatever it was running wasn't using unicode in 2021 tbh
2021-04-17T14:34:25 #kisslinux <phoebos> so you could do βακχειᾳ
2021-04-17T14:34:34 #kisslinux <phoebos> depending on what case you want
2021-04-17T14:34:48 #kisslinux * acheam is embarrased he doesn't know greek
2021-04-17T14:35:08 #kisslinux <phoebos> s/ι/ί/
2021-04-17T14:35:08 #kisslinux <movzbl> <phoebos> depending on what case you want
2021-04-17T14:35:17 #kisslinux <phoebos> oh dammit
2021-04-17T14:35:43 #kisslinux * phoebos tells acheam to learn greek
2021-04-17T14:42:16 #kisslinux <phoebos> the first line of [this](http://ix.io/2Wot) makefile for hikari gives a *** missing separator error
2021-04-17T14:42:43 #kisslinux <phoebos> does anyone know what it could be
2021-04-17T14:45:10 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://github.com/dilyn-corner/KISS-me/blob/master/wayland/hikari/build
2021-04-17T14:45:58 #kisslinux <phoebos> that gives the same error
2021-04-17T14:46:06 #kisslinux <phoebos> surely it works for dilyn
2021-04-17T14:54:03 #kisslinux <soliwilos> phoebos: You probably need to install bmake and use that to build hikari (It's what I do).
2021-04-17T14:57:20 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Weird that something would build with bmake but not gmake
2021-04-17T14:59:07 #kisslinux <phoebos> aye weird, i'll give it a go
2021-04-17T15:00:36 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I think it has to do with how they have made their makefile, not sure.
2021-04-17T15:02:01 #kisslinux <soliwilos> The dev/devs are FreeBSD users.
2021-04-17T15:02:38 #kisslinux <phoebos> ah that's true
2021-04-17T15:05:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> nya~
2021-04-17T15:06:08 #kisslinux <kiedtl> what is nyaa~? A cat screaming?
2021-04-17T15:06:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> ......
2021-04-17T15:06:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm disappointed in you.
2021-04-17T15:06:37 #kisslinux <spryc> what is nyaa
2021-04-17T15:07:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> i will say one word as explanation
2021-04-17T15:07:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> catgirls
2021-04-17T15:07:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't say I've never contributed to this distribution.
2021-04-17T15:07:42 #kisslinux <kiedtl> what
2021-04-17T15:07:53 #kisslinux <kiedtl> a catgirl ... nvm
2021-04-17T15:07:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> have you *never* seen anime?
2021-04-17T15:07:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> smh
2021-04-17T15:08:23 #kisslinux <spryc> like once
2021-04-17T15:08:26 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Not even once, and I have no desire to get into it >=|
2021-04-17T15:08:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> and here I thought you people were more online
2021-04-17T15:08:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> EXTREMELY disappointed. in all of you.
2021-04-17T15:09:00 #kisslinux <spryc> the outside is cool!
2021-04-17T15:09:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> literally, yes
2021-04-17T15:09:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> metaphorically, no
2021-04-17T15:09:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> not particularly
2021-04-17T15:09:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's like,
2021-04-17T15:09:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> humans
2021-04-17T15:09:26 #kisslinux <kiedtl> > In Japanese, nya にゃ, nyan にゃん, or nyaa にゃー (also spelled にゃあ and にゃぁ), or "nyah," are onomatopoeia that mean "meow," the sound that cats make.
2021-04-17T15:09:49 #kisslinux <spryc> i get what he means now
2021-04-17T15:09:51 #kisslinux <kiedtl> What does that have to do with weird catgirl stuff
2021-04-17T15:10:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> think about it = w=
2021-04-17T15:10:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's pretty easy to put it together
2021-04-17T15:10:19 #kisslinux <spryc> what does a catgirl do?
2021-04-17T15:10:24 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Guess I'm just extra dense
2021-04-17T15:10:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean
2021-04-17T15:10:28 #kisslinux <spryc> nya
2021-04-17T15:10:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> i imagine catgirls generally do whatever regular girls do
2021-04-17T15:10:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> they just have cat ears and tails. meaning they're clearly superior.
2021-04-17T15:11:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://github.com/melissaboiko/pspsps
2021-04-17T15:11:58 #kisslinux <spryc> cancel midfavila. He likes women with cat ears and tails!
2021-04-17T15:12:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> bruh I'm a furry. what do you want from me.
2021-04-17T15:12:47 #kisslinux <kiedtl> it's not in rust, why
2021-04-17T15:12:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> because rust is fucking awful
2021-04-17T15:12:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> and cringe
2021-04-17T15:12:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> and bad
2021-04-17T15:13:05 #kisslinux <spryc> no!!
2021-04-17T15:13:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it's those things because I don't like it
2021-04-17T15:13:12 #kisslinux <spryc> stop being anti-rust!!
2021-04-17T15:13:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> reeeeeeeeeeeee
2021-04-17T15:13:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> I will never tolerate rust on my system.
2021-04-17T15:13:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> Or python, for that matter.
2021-04-17T15:13:44 #kisslinux <kiedtl> im tired of this anti-rust horseshit
2021-04-17T15:13:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> but at least python doesn't force me to build with four cores
2021-04-17T15:13:57 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Do you hate go too
2021-04-17T15:14:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> i hate go for a different reason
2021-04-17T15:14:12 #kisslinux <spryc> tired of this pro-rust horseshit!
2021-04-17T15:14:16 #kisslinux <kiedtl> https://0x0.st/-NuF.png
2021-04-17T15:15:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> so like
2021-04-17T15:15:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> ignoring whether rust "fixes" the problem of memory unsafe code
2021-04-17T15:15:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> aka
2021-04-17T15:15:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> not doing your fucking job properly
2021-04-17T15:15:42 #kisslinux <kiedtl> it does
2021-04-17T15:15:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> fight me
2021-04-17T15:15:50 #kisslinux <kiedtl> come here
2021-04-17T15:15:58 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Lol
2021-04-17T15:16:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> it also has a record of being hilariously difficult to port to other architectures
2021-04-17T15:16:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> see: gentoo powerpc
2021-04-17T15:16:12 #kisslinux <kiedtl> sure, that's one issue
2021-04-17T15:16:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's kind of a major issue
2021-04-17T15:16:17 #kisslinux <kiedtl> not evey language is perfect!
2021-04-17T15:16:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> like
2021-04-17T15:16:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> absolutely fucking huge
2021-04-17T15:16:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> massive
2021-04-17T15:16:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> ENIAC-sized
2021-04-17T15:16:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> issue
2021-04-17T15:16:28 #kisslinux <kiedtl> and there's mrustc and gccrs in the works
2021-04-17T15:16:34 #kisslinux <kiedtl> what do you expect
2021-04-17T15:16:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> if your "systems programming language" isn't portable across systems,
2021-04-17T15:16:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> then like
2021-04-17T15:16:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck off
2021-04-17T15:16:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao
2021-04-17T15:16:50 #kisslinux <kiedtl> to provide that level of safety, by running your code in an almost-vm like thing
2021-04-17T15:16:55 #kisslinux <kiedtl> it's a tradeoff
2021-04-17T15:16:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> or
2021-04-17T15:16:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> we could like
2021-04-17T15:17:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> stop producing massive libraries that nobody can fully comprehend
2021-04-17T15:17:10 #kisslinux <kiedtl> just use c amirite
2021-04-17T15:17:15 #kisslinux <kiedtl> yeah sure lol
2021-04-17T15:17:20 #kisslinux <kiedtl> let's rewrite ncurses first
2021-04-17T15:17:27 #kisslinux <kiedtl> make it s i m p l e
2021-04-17T15:17:31 #kisslinux <kiedtl> and unusable
2021-04-17T15:17:38 #kisslinux <kiedtl> oh wait it's already been done
2021-04-17T15:17:45 #kisslinux <kiedtl> see: termbox
2021-04-17T15:17:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> ah yes, ncurses
2021-04-17T15:18:09 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl: isn't termbox just an ncurses frontend?
2021-04-17T15:18:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is used for... like... alsamixer, and nmtui... and some terminal multiplexers
2021-04-17T15:18:18 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: nope, it's an ncurses alternative
2021-04-17T15:18:24 #kisslinux <acheam>  hmm interesting
2021-04-17T15:18:40 #kisslinux <kiedtl> it's also garbage if you want to use unicode
2021-04-17T15:18:50 #kisslinux <kiedtl> and it's garbage if you want italics or truecolor
2021-04-17T15:18:54 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-17T15:19:00 #kisslinux <kiedtl> i.e. useless except for the most basic of purposes
2021-04-17T15:19:01 #kisslinux <acheam> those are like half the reason I use ncurses
2021-04-17T15:19:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> >uses truecolor in the terminal
2021-04-17T15:19:32 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> <midfavila "not doing your fucking job prope"> Looks like nobody knows how to do their job then
2021-04-17T15:19:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> when most people write Scalable:tm: Enterprise:r: Solutions:c:
2021-04-17T15:19:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes, I would agree
2021-04-17T15:20:01 #kisslinux <kiedtl> midfavila either doesn't understand what rust is, or is just trolling =|
2021-04-17T15:20:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> or
2021-04-17T15:20:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> you know
2021-04-17T15:20:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> i just disagree
2021-04-17T15:20:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's also possible, you know
2021-04-17T15:20:40 #kisslinux <kiedtl> >ignoring whether rust "fixes" the problem of memory unsafe
2021-04-17T15:20:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> shockingly, sentences can have multiple meanings
2021-04-17T15:21:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> the implication was that rust is a bandaid fix
2021-04-17T15:21:12 #kisslinux <kiedtl> You provide no statements to backup these claims; at best you just say "who the fuck needs mem safety lawl we can do it ourselves"
2021-04-17T15:21:34 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol yeah, who needs seatbelts! we can just hang on to the carseat when a crash happens
2021-04-17T15:21:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've actually provided a few statements.
2021-04-17T15:22:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> see: exceptionally difficult to port to new architectures, clunky build system
2021-04-17T15:22:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> and as for the "bandaid fix" claim,
2021-04-17T15:22:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> like I said
2021-04-17T15:22:29 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I'm talking about the >whether rust "fixes" the problem of memory safety< statement.
2021-04-17T15:22:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> exceptionally large and complex programs are inherently more likely to have bugs. by reducing the complexity of the code, it's easier to eliminate bugs, including those related to memory handling
2021-04-17T15:22:51 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I do understand your aversion to rust because of it's massive size and portability problems.
2021-04-17T15:23:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is ultimately a discussion about minimalism and scope control
2021-04-17T15:23:06 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I dislike those aspects of Rust as well.
2021-04-17T15:23:20 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I mean look, even the simplest code can have a buffer overflow.
2021-04-17T15:23:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean
2021-04-17T15:23:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> sel4 is formally proven
2021-04-17T15:23:36 #kisslinux <kiedtl> You don't magically eliminate bugs because you're a rockstar coder
2021-04-17T15:23:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it's like... 20k lines of C last I checked
2021-04-17T15:23:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> >rockstar
2021-04-17T15:23:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't make me vomit
2021-04-17T15:23:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> i just finished breakfast
2021-04-17T15:24:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuckn... coder. eugh
2021-04-17T15:24:16 #kisslinux <kiedtl> So we should all write formally provable code?
2021-04-17T15:24:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean hey, that would be an awesome state of affairs
2021-04-17T15:24:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> in theory yes
2021-04-17T15:24:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> practically, obviously not
2021-04-17T15:24:39 #kisslinux <kiedtl> And yea, I hate the "rockstab coderg" as well
2021-04-17T15:25:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> it ***reeks*** of silicon valley corporatism
2021-04-17T15:25:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Rust, you mean?
2021-04-17T15:25:48 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I'm confused by what you mean
2021-04-17T15:25:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> "yeah so uh we're looking for a full-stack developer to help synergize our cloud deployment process. you need to be a python rockstar and understand the following technologies: kubernetes, docker, API, digimon, pacman"
2021-04-17T15:25:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> and no
2021-04-17T15:26:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> the "rockstar" and "coder" terminology
2021-04-17T15:26:09 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ah yeah
2021-04-17T15:26:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's very "how do you do fellow kids"
2021-04-17T15:26:21 #kisslinux <kiedtl> exactly
2021-04-17T15:26:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean
2021-04-17T15:26:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't get me wrong
2021-04-17T15:26:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> rust sucks for similar reasons
2021-04-17T15:26:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> but at least it's not go in that regard
2021-04-17T15:26:38 #kisslinux <kiedtl> so does linux
2021-04-17T15:26:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes
2021-04-17T15:26:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> it does
2021-04-17T15:26:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> and if I could,
2021-04-17T15:26:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> i would switch to openbsd or minix
2021-04-17T15:26:52 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ah
2021-04-17T15:27:03 #kisslinux <kiedtl> those are also valid reasons i guess
2021-04-17T15:27:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> see,
2021-04-17T15:27:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> here's the thing
2021-04-17T15:27:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only groups that care about shitty Enterprise-grade Scalable Solutions
2021-04-17T15:27:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> are corporations
2021-04-17T15:27:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> meaning
2021-04-17T15:27:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> corporations produce bloated and overcomplex, and ultimately, low-quality software
2021-04-17T15:27:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> meaning
2021-04-17T15:27:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> they aren't trustworthy, and neither is anything they touch or endorse
2021-04-17T15:27:55 #kisslinux * kiedtl looks at macOS
2021-04-17T15:27:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> macOS is shit
2021-04-17T15:28:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> and you know it
2021-04-17T15:28:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's literally *garbage*
2021-04-17T15:28:07 #kisslinux <kiedtl> in one sense it is
2021-04-17T15:28:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> no
2021-04-17T15:28:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> in every sense
2021-04-17T15:28:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> the UI is awful
2021-04-17T15:28:18 #kisslinux <kiedtl> welllll
2021-04-17T15:28:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> NO
2021-04-17T15:28:24 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Ok I guess...
2021-04-17T15:28:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is not up for debate
2021-04-17T15:28:29 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol
2021-04-17T15:28:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> ignoring that quartz isn't even a compatible X implementation
2021-04-17T15:28:44 #kisslinux <kiedtl> it's not suposed to be
2021-04-17T15:28:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> aqua is hideous, design-wise
2021-04-17T15:28:52 #kisslinux <kiedtl> "hideous"
2021-04-17T15:28:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes, hideous
2021-04-17T15:29:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> transparency doesn't make things look good
2021-04-17T15:29:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> nor does whatever their widget set is
2021-04-17T15:29:21 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Since when was muh transparency the main selling point of aqua
2021-04-17T15:29:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> afaik
2021-04-17T15:29:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> the main point is that it's "easy to use"
2021-04-17T15:29:37 #kisslinux <kiedtl> And it is!
2021-04-17T15:29:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's not
2021-04-17T15:29:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> i used a macbook for school for about a year and a half
2021-04-17T15:29:48 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Just tell my grandma to debug a kernel panic!
2021-04-17T15:29:59 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I mean look
2021-04-17T15:30:02 #kisslinux <acheam> sonny, why's my caps lock light blinking
2021-04-17T15:30:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> why does dragging and dropping a file to a removable piece of media symlink it
2021-04-17T15:30:07 #kisslinux <kiedtl> We both value different things, midfavila
2021-04-17T15:30:15 #kisslinux <kiedtl> We don't care so much about ease of use
2021-04-17T15:30:19 #kisslinux <acheam> wait what it symlinks it
2021-04-17T15:30:20 #kisslinux <acheam> wtf
2021-04-17T15:30:23 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Not everyone's in our shoes
2021-04-17T15:30:34 #kisslinux <kiedtl> who's symlinking acheam's caps lock key
2021-04-17T15:30:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, here's my nuclear-level take
2021-04-17T15:30:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you aren't capable of reading an instruction manual
2021-04-17T15:30:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> you don't deserve to use a computer
2021-04-17T15:31:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can do your work by hand
2021-04-17T15:31:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> because that's perhaps the easiest thing to use
2021-04-17T15:31:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> is a pencil and paper
2021-04-17T15:31:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...generally, anyway
2021-04-17T15:31:22 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> <midfavila "you don't deserve to use a compu"> Pretty much no regular person is qualified then
2021-04-17T15:31:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes, that's correct!
2021-04-17T15:31:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> absolutely!
2021-04-17T15:31:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> please, by all means, kick 95%+ of humanity off the internet forever
2021-04-17T15:32:17 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ...Wow.
2021-04-17T15:32:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> most internet traffic is netflix and social media, anyway
2021-04-17T15:32:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> so my suggestion is
2021-04-17T15:32:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> watch tv
2021-04-17T15:32:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> and go talk to your friends, in person
2021-04-17T15:32:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> or like
2021-04-17T15:32:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> call them
2021-04-17T15:33:05 #kisslinux <kiedtl> In other words, only those with the level of intelligence that mister midfavila has deserves to be using a computer.
2021-04-17T15:33:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> i never said that
2021-04-17T15:33:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> i said that if you're not capable of at least reading a user manual, you shouldn't have access to a computer
2021-04-17T15:33:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> i would have thought that the ability to read and the ability to reason would be pretty moderate standards.
2021-04-17T15:34:18 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Next we'll be saying that anyone not capable of using /bin/ash shouldn't be touching anthing more powerful than a landline telephone
2021-04-17T15:34:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> that would be silly, because those things aren't related at all. being able to parse and process information is directly related to using computers. or tools of any sort, really.
2021-04-17T15:35:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> also,
2021-04-17T15:35:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> ash is a garbage shell
2021-04-17T15:35:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> use oksh
2021-04-17T15:35:14 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> use dash
2021-04-17T15:35:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> dash requires you have a second shell installed, introducing unneeded redundancy
2021-04-17T15:35:28 #kisslinux <kiedtl> use BASIC
2021-04-17T15:35:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> actually,
2021-04-17T15:35:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes
2021-04-17T15:35:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> BASIC is a fantastic teaching tool
2021-04-17T15:35:43 #kisslinux <kiedtl> o_o
2021-04-17T15:35:53 #kisslinux <kiedtl> you are not qualified to have opinions anymore midfavila!
2021-04-17T15:36:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> and imho should be integrated into mathematics classes as a way of showing students the applications and definitions of equations and complex functions
2021-04-17T15:36:02 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> dash is enough for REAL kiss users
2021-04-17T15:36:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> well,
2021-04-17T15:36:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> for a while I used dash with readline support
2021-04-17T15:36:16 #kisslinux <kiedtl> *Everyone* knows that BASIC requires you to turn your brain into Cambert cheese
2021-04-17T15:36:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> it was tolerable
2021-04-17T15:36:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> the problem with BASIC is that it's not standardized
2021-04-17T15:37:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> create a small subset, clean up its syntax, sprinkle a tad bit of 21st century dust in there
2021-04-17T15:37:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> and bam
2021-04-17T15:37:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> perfect educational tool
2021-04-17T15:37:08 #kisslinux <kiedtl> GOTO /dev/null!
2021-04-17T15:37:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> everyone memes about GOTO, but it's not inherently bad =w=
2021-04-17T15:37:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's how it's (ab)used that's bad, in most cases
2021-04-17T15:38:00 #kisslinux <kiedtl> BASIC-lovers are not qualified to have opinions, I told you!
2021-04-17T15:38:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I do agree that BASIC should not be used for commercial or professional software
2021-04-17T15:38:05 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Go sit in a corner!
2021-04-17T15:38:12 #kisslinux <kiedtl> It should not be used at all!!
2021-04-17T15:38:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> kek
2021-04-17T15:38:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean, i would have suggested scheme, but it's kind of obtuse
2021-04-17T15:38:54 #kisslinux <kiedtl> scheme is obtuse, but basic is ...
2021-04-17T15:39:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> basic
2021-04-17T15:39:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes
2021-04-17T15:39:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> i agree
2021-04-17T15:39:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> basic is, in fact, so basic, that it is largely useless on its own, and in the form most people think of, it's also known to teach bad programming style
2021-04-17T15:39:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is why, like I said, it needs to be reviewed, standardized, modernized, and then *used to teach mathematics*
2021-04-17T15:40:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> to like, middle and high schoolers.
2021-04-17T15:40:16 #kisslinux <kiedtl> the poor kids
2021-04-17T15:40:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> why would you do that to them
2021-04-17T15:40:28 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Traumatising kids isn't funny. Stop.
2021-04-17T15:40:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> because I want them to understand how to define functions and equations, and how to apply them
2021-04-17T15:40:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> - w-
2021-04-17T15:40:53 #kisslinux <kiedtl> They can learn that with *gasp* oCaml
2021-04-17T15:40:56 #kisslinux <kiedtl> or miranda even
2021-04-17T15:40:59 #kisslinux <thermatix> or ruby
2021-04-17T15:41:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> >ruby
2021-04-17T15:41:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> get the fuck out
2021-04-17T15:41:05 #kisslinux <kiedtl> well
2021-04-17T15:41:08 #kisslinux <thermatix> :D
2021-04-17T15:41:11 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ruby isn't *that* bad as a teaching tool
2021-04-17T15:41:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> see
2021-04-17T15:41:23 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I mean if you like BASIC no tool is that bad
2021-04-17T15:41:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you wanted to teach programming
2021-04-17T15:41:35 #kisslinux <spryc> my school teaches scala
2021-04-17T15:41:37 #kisslinux <spryc> i think
2021-04-17T15:41:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> ruby might be... blech, accessible
2021-04-17T15:41:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I'm not saying to actually sit down and *teach* BASIC as a class
2021-04-17T15:41:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> god no
2021-04-17T15:41:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> absolutely not
2021-04-17T15:41:55 #kisslinux <kiedtl> oh?
2021-04-17T15:41:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes
2021-04-17T15:42:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm saying to use it to demonstrate mathematical concepts in a way that's less...
2021-04-17T15:42:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> math-y
2021-04-17T15:42:18 #kisslinux <kiedtl> uh I see
2021-04-17T15:42:29 #kisslinux <kiedtl> but like, just use Python or Miranda or even Pascal for that
2021-04-17T15:42:29 #kisslinux <thermatix> I think ruby's great for teaching the basic concepts of programming
2021-04-17T15:42:51 #kisslinux <kiedtl> we're talking math here though
2021-04-17T15:42:52 #kisslinux <thermatix> then once you have the basics, you move on to learn lower level stuff
2021-04-17T15:42:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> python, miranda, and pascal are too complex. and besides, they're not really designed for pure maths... at least as far as I know
2021-04-17T15:42:59 #kisslinux <thermatix> oh
2021-04-17T15:43:09 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Miranda isn't very complex at all last time I checked
2021-04-17T15:43:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> BASIC on the other hand is a direct descendant of FORTRAN
2021-04-17T15:43:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> or Fortran, whatever
2021-04-17T15:43:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I should try compiling it again
2021-04-17T15:43:21 #kisslinux <kiedtl> miranda, that is
2021-04-17T15:43:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> all-caps is cooler
2021-04-17T15:43:27 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I mean, you want *simple*
2021-04-17T15:43:31 #kisslinux <kiedtl> use FORTH!
2021-04-17T15:43:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> simple in this case refers to easy to understand and use
2021-04-17T15:43:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> not simple in terms of abstraction
2021-04-17T15:43:45 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ohhh, easy to use
2021-04-17T15:43:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes
2021-04-17T15:43:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> hence, BASIC
2021-04-17T15:43:53 #kisslinux <kiedtl> AppleScript
2021-04-17T15:43:57 #kisslinux <spryc> keep it simple (and) stupid
2021-04-17T15:43:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...No.
2021-04-17T15:44:00 #kisslinux <kiedtl> :D
2021-04-17T15:44:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> see,
2021-04-17T15:44:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> thing is,
2021-04-17T15:44:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> even if BASIC is a bad programming language, it's good at illustrating *concepts*
2021-04-17T15:44:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> and besides, it's commonly embedded into office software
2021-04-17T15:44:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> so you'll still be teaching them something useful
2021-04-17T15:44:44 #kisslinux <kiedtl> midfavila: I do understand what you're saying, I'm just trolling you. I've read maybe two lines of BASIC code in my life and my aversion to it is a completely religious one :D
2021-04-17T15:44:46 #kisslinux <thermatix> sooo I'm trying to migrate kiss and so I'm taring the rootFS buuuut I'm not sure I'm doing it right, any suggestions?
2021-04-17T15:44:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> my suggestion
2021-04-17T15:44:55 #kisslinux <kiedtl> migrate kiss?
2021-04-17T15:44:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> stop tarring the root filesystem
2021-04-17T15:45:10 #kisslinux <thermatix> I'm just doing `tar -czfv tarfile.ar.gz * `
2021-04-17T15:45:11 #kisslinux <spryc> dont just take the rootfs and put it on another hard drive
2021-04-17T15:45:11 #kisslinux <kiedtl> You aren't tarring /sys or /proc, are you?
2021-04-17T15:45:21 #kisslinux <thermatix> uhhh
2021-04-17T15:45:21 #kisslinux <kiedtl> yeah, that's a terrible idea
2021-04-17T15:45:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can do that actually spryc
2021-04-17T15:45:46 #kisslinux <spryc> yes but why
2021-04-17T15:45:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> the problem is that in a running system you'll generate an infinitely large tarball
2021-04-17T15:45:53 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> `mkdir /mnt/tmproot; cd /mnt; mount --bind / tmproot; tar c tmproot -f -J root.tar.xz`
2021-04-17T15:45:55 #kisslinux <thermatix> ah
2021-04-17T15:46:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> because when you tar a running rootfs,
2021-04-17T15:46:03 #kisslinux <thermatix> that might be why tar doesn't apear to be doing naything
2021-04-17T15:46:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> you read data from proc, dev, sys, etc
2021-04-17T15:46:42 #kisslinux <kiedtl> And you'll be tar'ing up memory too
2021-04-17T15:46:52 #kisslinux <kiedtl> /proc/xxx/mem I believe...
2021-04-17T15:46:58 #kisslinux <thermatix> ok, so how do I get the files I need then?
2021-04-17T15:47:07 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> use the command i sent
2021-04-17T15:47:07 #kisslinux <thermatix> I reeaaaaly don't want to just start from scratch again
2021-04-17T15:47:14 #kisslinux <thermatix> i see
2021-04-17T15:47:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> personally
2021-04-17T15:47:18 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> bind mounting / doesnt mount dev and prof
2021-04-17T15:47:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> then you're screwed
2021-04-17T15:47:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> i would liveboot into another distro
2021-04-17T15:47:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> and copy the rootfs of KISS to a bit of removeable media
2021-04-17T15:47:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> then dump it onto whatever system I'm installing to
2021-04-17T15:48:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...actually, now that I think about it, I could totally automate that...
2021-04-17T15:48:20 #kisslinux <thermatix> noice, thanks testuser_[m]
2021-04-17T15:48:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> brb building a bad USB that auto-installs kiss
2021-04-17T15:48:29 #kisslinux <acheam> why not use rsync?
2021-04-17T15:49:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> real chads use ftp
2021-04-17T15:49:14 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> fuck
2021-04-17T15:49:19 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> FUCK
2021-04-17T15:49:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> language
2021-04-17T15:49:24 #kisslinux <thermatix> what?
2021-04-17T15:49:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is a christian channel
2021-04-17T15:49:26 #kisslinux <acheam> uh you good testuser_[m]
2021-04-17T15:49:37 #kisslinux <acheam> take a breath
2021-04-17T15:49:55 #kisslinux <acheam> I don't think my rysnc suggestion was *that* bad
2021-04-17T15:50:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> it was
2021-04-17T15:50:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> you triggered him
2021-04-17T15:50:08 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i bind mounted my / to /tmp/test to check if what i said was correct, and i have a habit to do rm -rf /tmp/* pretty often
2021-04-17T15:50:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> uh oh
2021-04-17T15:50:46 #kisslinux <acheam> uh oh
2021-04-17T15:50:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> (for the record this is an example of why rm -rf --no-preserve-root is a stupid extension)
2021-04-17T15:51:05 #kisslinux <jslick> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem/TAR
2021-04-17T15:51:16 #kisslinux <thermatix> does taring like this keep symlinks as well?
2021-04-17T15:51:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> probably
2021-04-17T15:51:24 #kisslinux <thermatix> oh dear
2021-04-17T15:51:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> fun fact
2021-04-17T15:51:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> did you know that ubuntu is a south african word meaning
2021-04-17T15:51:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> "I can't configure Debian"?
2021-04-17T15:51:57 #kisslinux <thermatix> LOL
2021-04-17T15:52:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol
2021-04-17T15:52:20 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Lol my /etc is gone
2021-04-17T15:52:20 #kisslinux <thermatix> except i don't think it does
2021-04-17T15:52:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> tbf deb distros are lame
2021-04-17T15:52:29 #kisslinux <thermatix> yeah that sounds bad
2021-04-17T15:52:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> use slackware if you want a stable OS
2021-04-17T15:52:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh dear
2021-04-17T15:52:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> well
2021-04-17T15:52:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> enjoy rewriting all your config files, testuser
2021-04-17T15:52:51 #kisslinux <thermatix> did you backuo?
2021-04-17T15:53:07 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i still have my kiss chroot open building chromium so i can go root from that and fix everything
2021-04-17T15:53:15 #kisslinux <kiedtl> heh
2021-04-17T15:53:21 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> unless that's fucked too
2021-04-17T15:53:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> "heh" -kiedtl
2021-04-17T15:53:26 #kisslinux <kiedtl> welp
2021-04-17T15:53:32 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nah its fine
2021-04-17T15:54:04 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Just yesterday I found a directory named '~' in src/foo and did rm -rf ~
2021-04-17T15:54:06 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> just hope i dont get a power cut now..
2021-04-17T15:54:09 #kisslinux <thermatix> oh dear
2021-04-17T15:54:14 #kisslinux <thermatix> see this is why I have a UPS
2021-04-17T15:54:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> for reference
2021-04-17T15:54:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> any time a filename contains odd characters
2021-04-17T15:54:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> prefix it with ./
2021-04-17T15:54:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> for the love of god
2021-04-17T15:54:42 #kisslinux <thermatix> btw should I keep the .cache folder?
2021-04-17T15:54:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> .cache is whatever
2021-04-17T15:54:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> i put mine in tmpfs
2021-04-17T15:54:58 #kisslinux <acheam> I like to keep it around
2021-04-17T15:55:06 #kisslinux <thermatix> no i mean, when copying to the laptop?
2021-04-17T15:55:08 #kisslinux <kiedtl> midfavila: exactly, but that time I had a stroke and didn't check the command I typed
2021-04-17T15:55:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's a mood
2021-04-17T15:55:18 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I only lost Maildir and src so it was fine
2021-04-17T15:55:20 #kisslinux <acheam> then you can drop it
2021-04-17T15:55:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> were you here for yesterday when I piped kiss a into a shell
2021-04-17T15:55:24 #kisslinux <kiedtl> and tilde.team had backups :>
2021-04-17T15:55:28 #kisslinux <acheam> yes mid
2021-04-17T15:55:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> wasn't TALKING to you, acheam
2021-04-17T15:55:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> >:C
2021-04-17T15:56:11 #kisslinux <acheam> wait what i'm not the center of the universe?
2021-04-17T15:56:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's right
2021-04-17T15:56:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> i am
2021-04-17T15:56:44 #kisslinux * midfavila nods sagely
2021-04-17T15:57:48 #kisslinux <thermatix> I'm going to get a poptart
2021-04-17T15:57:53 #kisslinux <thermatix> well, two of them actually
2021-04-17T15:58:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> i used to like poptarts
2021-04-17T15:58:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> then I looked at the nutritional information
2021-04-17T15:58:11 #kisslinux <thermatix> but then you took an arrow to the knee?
2021-04-17T15:58:15 #kisslinux <thermatix> XD
2021-04-17T15:58:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's like 220 calories per poptart
2021-04-17T15:58:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm not a calorie counter but that's ridiculous
2021-04-17T15:59:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's, like
2021-04-17T15:59:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> three eggs
2021-04-17T15:59:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> i know i'd rather three eggs than a poptart
2021-04-17T15:59:41 #kisslinux <kiedtl> indeed!
2021-04-17T16:00:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> "eggs are good for your heart, but poptarts are good for your *soul*, mid"
2021-04-17T16:00:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> daily reminder that processed sugar is a poison and should be avoided whenever possible
2021-04-17T16:00:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> also, corn syrup. mostly corn syrup, to be honest.
2021-04-17T16:00:58 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> actually i think it would've been wiser to have shut down the pc immediately, cuz it takes a bit of time for the changes to be flushed to disk
2021-04-17T16:01:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> see
2021-04-17T16:01:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you were using NILFS
2021-04-17T16:01:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> you could just roll back the log
2021-04-17T16:01:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> reading about obscure filesystems is cool
2021-04-17T16:02:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NILFS
2021-04-17T16:03:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm not sure if I should use NILFS or F2FS on my laptop
2021-04-17T16:03:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> leaning towards NILFS because of Samsung's involvement in F2FS...
2021-04-17T16:03:31 #kisslinux <thermatix> I don't know what they're putting in your poptarts but the poptarts here in the uk are 186, not much better but still better
2021-04-17T16:04:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> ngl probably corn syrup.
2021-04-17T16:04:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> fucking *everything* has corn syrup in it, in NA
2021-04-17T16:04:49 #kisslinux <thermatix> uhhh what do I need running to allow for USB devices to work?
2021-04-17T16:05:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> udev
2021-04-17T16:05:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> or some other device manager
2021-04-17T16:05:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...or you can fuck with mknod
2021-04-17T16:05:15 #kisslinux <thermatix> i thought I installed udev
2021-04-17T16:05:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> did your init system start udevd
2021-04-17T16:06:20 #kisslinux <thermatix> uhhhhh
2021-04-17T16:06:31 #kisslinux <thermatix> that might be i
2021-04-17T16:06:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> edit init files, restart, should be fine
2021-04-17T16:07:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> alternatively you could write a service, if you use a service manager
2021-04-17T16:08:49 #kisslinux <thermatix> so I can't just start udevd and have it start working?
2021-04-17T16:08:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean
2021-04-17T16:08:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> you might
2021-04-17T16:09:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it would probably be a little wonky
2021-04-17T16:09:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> on a scale from w to wonk probably a wo
2021-04-17T16:09:13 #kisslinux <thermatix> yeah ok fair enough
2021-04-17T16:09:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> afaik udevd sets up permissions and initial device nodes during boot
2021-04-17T16:09:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> so...
2021-04-17T16:11:28 #kisslinux <thermatix> right
2021-04-17T16:11:33 #kisslinux <thermatix> well I just added to busybox
2021-04-17T16:11:53 #kisslinux <thermatix> and restart
2021-04-17T16:12:44 #kisslinux <thermatix> i'm still getting failed to attach usb device from Virtualbox
2021-04-17T16:12:55 #kisslinux <thermatix> and udev is running
2021-04-17T16:13:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> are you passing through usb2 or 3
2021-04-17T16:13:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> if so you need their proprietary extension
2021-04-17T16:13:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> afaik
2021-04-17T16:13:18 #kisslinux <thermatix> 3
2021-04-17T16:13:20 #kisslinux <thermatix> I think?
2021-04-17T16:13:22 #kisslinux <thermatix> how to get?
2021-04-17T16:13:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> the program tells you
2021-04-17T16:13:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm not going to enable proprietary developers. sorry.
2021-04-17T16:13:40 #kisslinux <thermatix> i see
2021-04-17T16:16:32 #kisslinux <thermatix> ah, ok it was a Virtualbox thingh
2021-04-17T16:17:48 #kisslinux <acheam> its on their website
2021-04-17T16:17:56 #kisslinux <thermatix> didn't know it was a thing
2021-04-17T16:17:57 #kisslinux <acheam> but yeah proprietary extensions are cringe af
2021-04-17T16:18:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> Use QEMU if you can
2021-04-17T16:18:07 #kisslinux <acheam> ^
2021-04-17T16:18:11 #kisslinux <acheam> qemu is easier in the long run
2021-04-17T16:18:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's much higher-performance, if a little odd to configure
2021-04-17T16:19:57 #kisslinux <acheam> this is a working windows VM command, for reference: https://envs.sh/Z6.txt
2021-04-17T16:20:18 #kisslinux <acheam> much simpler than faffing about in virtualbox menus IMO
2021-04-17T16:20:25 #kisslinux <thermatix> hmmm I only knew about virtualbox and VMware
2021-04-17T16:20:49 #kisslinux <thermatix> though...
2021-04-17T16:21:00 #kisslinux <thermatix> now that I think about it I think I've heard of QEMU in passing maybe?
2021-04-17T16:21:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> probably
2021-04-17T16:21:04 #kisslinux <thermatix> it sounds kinda familure
2021-04-17T16:21:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> in combination with KVM and libvirt
2021-04-17T16:21:15 #kisslinux <thermatix> meh
2021-04-17T16:21:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> before proton it was common as a "advanced gaming technique" on linux
2021-04-17T16:21:45 #kisslinux <thermatix> well, I'm now copying kiss linux to my usb and then I can boot into archlabs on my laptop and get it all sorted
2021-04-17T16:21:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> "yeah bro just install a second GPU and pass it through to QEMU after modifying your kernel and using modified drivers and-"
2021-04-17T16:21:59 #kisslinux <thermatix> lo
2021-04-17T16:22:00 #kisslinux <thermatix> l
2021-04-17T16:22:10 #kisslinux <acheam> imagine running proprietary games... couldn't be me
2021-04-17T16:22:25 #kisslinux <thermatix> lol
2021-04-17T16:22:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> i have a dedicated network-isolated machine for content consoomption
2021-04-17T16:22:30 #kisslinux <thermatix> I'm a steam user :D
2021-04-17T16:22:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm ashamed to say that I also have a steam account
2021-04-17T16:22:55 #kisslinux <acheam> I too have a steam account
2021-04-17T16:23:05 #kisslinux <acheam> but mostly because I don't want to lose the games I already have
2021-04-17T16:23:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only reason I haven't closed it is because in the past ten or so years I've spent over two grand US on games...
2021-04-17T16:23:11 #kisslinux <acheam> I should probably give them away...
2021-04-17T16:23:41 #kisslinux <thermatix> lol
2021-04-17T16:23:43 #kisslinux <thermatix> same
2021-04-17T16:23:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> once I get PlayOnLinux working with Proton and cracked copies of my games, I'm closing my steam account
2021-04-17T16:23:45 #kisslinux <thermatix> probs
2021-04-17T16:23:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> and don't tell me it's not moral to pirate games I've already paid for
2021-04-17T16:24:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> i have a right to one backup copy
2021-04-17T16:24:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> >:c
2021-04-17T16:24:07 #kisslinux <thermatix> wasn't gonnah
2021-04-17T16:34:55 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Isn't POL dead
2021-04-17T16:35:00 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Everyone uses lutris now
2021-04-17T16:35:03 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> But its in python
2021-04-17T16:35:12 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> And needs a shit ton of deps
2021-04-17T16:35:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't do python
2021-04-17T16:35:46 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Don't you have to install it for building quite a few packages anyways
2021-04-17T16:35:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> i install it, build with it, and immediately remote it
2021-04-17T16:36:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> remove*
2021-04-17T16:37:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> same with cmake, autotools, intltool, perl...
2021-04-17T16:37:41 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> btw looks like not much is lost, just /etc which i keep at defaults anyways, and my binary cache
2021-04-17T16:39:17 #kisslinux <thermatix> where's the best place to put the kiss cache?
2021-04-17T16:40:17 #kisslinux <acheam> I don't move it
2021-04-17T16:40:32 #kisslinux <thermatix> what about moving it and then symlinking?
2021-04-17T16:40:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> it doesn't really matter
2021-04-17T16:40:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd say the three options that make sense are
2021-04-17T16:41:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> 1) /usr/src/kiss where admin and root have write access
2021-04-17T16:41:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> 2) per-user ~/.cache/kiss
2021-04-17T16:41:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> 3) system-wide /tmp/kiss
2021-04-17T16:42:02 #kisslinux <thermatix> how can i configure kiss to put the cache in /usr/src/kiss? or do i just symlink it?
2021-04-17T16:42:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> first prevents unneeded effort and allows for persistence, second allows segregation of packages on a user level, third reduces disk access and etc
2021-04-17T16:42:16 #kisslinux <acheam> nah I don't like it in /usr/src
2021-04-17T16:42:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> and no, you export the variable $KISS_DIR or something
2021-04-17T16:42:22 #kisslinux <acheam> /var/cache is better IMO
2021-04-17T16:42:30 #kisslinux <thermatix> ah
2021-04-17T16:42:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you're putting it under var
2021-04-17T16:42:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> put it under /var/db/
2021-04-17T16:42:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> that way it gets merged with the existing kiss directory
2021-04-17T16:43:49 #kisslinux <thermatix> hmnmm
2021-04-17T16:44:28 #kisslinux <acheam> decisions, decisions
2021-04-17T16:44:36 #kisslinux <thermatix> indeed, indeed
2021-04-17T16:46:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> unrelated
2021-04-17T16:46:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I fucking hate it when schools mandate the format you need to hand essays in
2021-04-17T16:46:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> (file format)
2021-04-17T16:46:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> (not document layout)
2021-04-17T16:46:30 #kisslinux <acheam> I just use pdf
2021-04-17T16:46:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> (but that's stupid too)
2021-04-17T16:46:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> my school mandates doc
2021-04-17T16:46:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> :|
2021-04-17T16:46:52 #kisslinux <acheam> not even docx/
2021-04-17T16:46:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> not even docx
2021-04-17T16:47:02 #kisslinux <acheam> :(
2021-04-17T16:47:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> thankfully I can use Ted to write doc files
2021-04-17T16:47:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...I think
2021-04-17T16:47:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's been a few months since I've had to write anything
2021-04-17T16:47:42 #kisslinux <acheam> markdown -> doc via pandoc is what i'd do
2021-04-17T16:47:58 #kisslinux <acheam> you get to impress your profs with that slick latex look lol
2021-04-17T16:48:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, and then there was the time I wasn't able to present a slideshow because they blocked ftp outbound traffic on my school network
2021-04-17T16:48:12 #kisslinux <acheam> why tf would you present using ftp my guy
2021-04-17T16:48:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> i wasn't
2021-04-17T16:48:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it was stored on my fileserver
2021-04-17T16:48:35 #kisslinux <acheam> why tf would you use ftp my guy
2021-04-17T16:48:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> because ssh access was *also* blocked
2021-04-17T16:48:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> but telnet
2021-04-17T16:48:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> perplexingly
2021-04-17T16:48:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> was not
2021-04-17T16:48:54 #kisslinux <acheam> use a diff port then?
2021-04-17T16:48:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> ah yes
2021-04-17T16:49:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> let me remotely reconfigure my server using telnet
2021-04-17T16:49:19 #kisslinux <acheam> I have port 23 and 22 for ssh on my server in case 22 is blocked
2021-04-17T16:49:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> at the time my iodine system was down
2021-04-17T16:49:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> so I couldn't even do traffic over dns
2021-04-17T16:49:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> it was exceptionally cringe
2021-04-17T16:49:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I felt like a 5hed for the rest of the day
2021-04-17T16:50:00 #kisslinux <acheam> iodine?
2021-04-17T16:50:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's a DNS proxy for traffic
2021-04-17T16:50:24 #kisslinux <acheam> ah
2021-04-17T16:50:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> most places don't filter or watch 53/UDP
2021-04-17T16:50:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> which means it's perfect for getting around restrictions
2021-04-17T16:50:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> er,
2021-04-17T16:50:58 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-17T16:50:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> assuming you're fine with udp's limitations
2021-04-17T16:52:22 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm I wonder if I can virtualize linux via qemu on obsd
2021-04-17T16:52:38 #kisslinux <acheam> and if using obsd on my server is worth the performance hit in VMs of losing KVM
2021-04-17T17:12:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> have you considered, acheam
2021-04-17T17:12:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> that you could run qemu in qemu
2021-04-17T17:12:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> and still have kvm
2021-04-17T17:12:35 #kisslinux <acheam> at that point, why not just run linux on the bare metal?
2021-04-17T17:12:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> because that's not big-brained or enterprise enough
2021-04-17T17:12:48 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-17T17:12:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> we need to nest VMs
2021-04-17T17:12:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> for security
2021-04-17T17:12:58 #kisslinux <acheam> ofc ofc
2021-04-17T17:13:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> here at Datamining Incorporated, we value your personal information and want it to stay safe
2021-04-17T17:14:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's why we use our patented triple-layer technology to seperate all running containers
2021-04-17T17:14:26 #kisslinux * midfavila nods
2021-04-17T17:14:48 #kisslinux <thermatix> remind me, to install Linux I need to disable secure boot right?
2021-04-17T17:14:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's generally a good idea, yes
2021-04-17T17:15:32 #kisslinux <acheam> maybe you could do some fancy kernel signing stuff and not disable it
2021-04-17T17:15:38 #kisslinux <acheam> but for kiss, yeah disable it
2021-04-17T17:16:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> we don't use RESTRICTED boot here
2021-04-17T17:16:17 #kisslinux <acheam> hi mmatongo
2021-04-17T17:17:06 #kisslinux <mmatongo> hi acheam
2021-04-17T17:19:36 #kisslinux <mmatongo> The unthinkable has happened to me
2021-04-17T17:20:13 #kisslinux <mmatongo> I'm using Windows right now :,-(
2021-04-17T17:20:41 #kisslinux <thermatix> lol
2021-04-17T17:21:01 #kisslinux <kiedtl> oh dear what happened?
2021-04-17T17:22:09 #kisslinux <mmatongo> My laptop stopped charging
2021-04-17T17:22:36 #kisslinux <mmatongo> I currently have no money to fix it so it's just sitting
2021-04-17T17:22:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> do you guys know of something like sxiv, but for PDFs
2021-04-17T17:23:24 #kisslinux <kiedtl> "something like sxiv"?
2021-04-17T17:23:41 #kisslinux <kiedtl> as in rather barebones? I'd recommend mupdf for that, it's OK for most things
2021-04-17T17:23:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> hmm. that's what I'm thinking... I already use it on my laptop
2021-04-17T17:24:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> normally I use epdfview but it's...
2021-04-17T17:24:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> well
2021-04-17T17:24:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> http://0x0.st/-A1w.png
2021-04-17T17:24:50 #kisslinux <mmatongo> kiedtl so in the meantime I am using an Asus Transformer book
2021-04-17T17:24:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> just look for yourself
2021-04-17T17:25:23 #kisslinux <kiedtl> wew
2021-04-17T17:25:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah. any time it's text embedded in a document, the kerning is absolutely obliterated
2021-04-17T17:25:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> I just want to read about my trackball gfdi
2021-04-17T17:28:06 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Use chromium as your pdf viewer
2021-04-17T17:28:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> cursed
2021-04-17T17:28:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...wait, fuck, mupdf relies on gumbo
2021-04-17T17:28:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...hm
2021-04-17T17:28:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> my autism prevents me from using this
2021-04-17T17:35:12 #kisslinux <thermatix> I think I've bought a dud laptop
2021-04-17T17:35:20 #kisslinux <thermatix> It won't allow me to boot from usb
2021-04-17T17:36:41 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Bruh
2021-04-17T17:36:44 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> No ports work?
2021-04-17T17:37:14 #kisslinux <thermatix> not exactly
2021-04-17T17:37:26 #kisslinux <thermatix> first I couldn't even get into the boot menu but I think I've solved that
2021-04-17T17:37:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> check if boot from usb is disabled
2021-04-17T17:37:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> in bios
2021-04-17T17:37:41 #kisslinux <thermatix> but when I try to force it I get the message
2021-04-17T17:38:02 #kisslinux <thermatix> "System doesn't have any USB boot option, please select other boot option in boot manager menu
2021-04-17T17:38:10 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> acheam did the mailing list die ? archive.k1sslinux.org seems down, didnt get any emails either from 1-2 days
2021-04-17T17:38:11 #kisslinux <thermatix> and I've enabled usb boot in the bios
2021-04-17T17:38:37 #kisslinux <thermatix> ...
2021-04-17T17:38:38 #kisslinux <thermatix> wait
2021-04-17T17:38:52 #kisslinux <thermatix> wtf?
2021-04-17T17:38:56 #kisslinux <thermatix> now it's working?
2021-04-17T17:39:18 #kisslinux <thermatix> ugh
2021-04-17T17:43:12 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Does anyone know how you can change the fonts used by SDL applications ?
2021-04-17T17:52:15 #kisslinux <thermatix> ... I may have buggered it uo
2021-04-17T17:52:19 #kisslinux <thermatix> uo*
2021-04-17T17:52:22 #kisslinux <thermatix> up* damn it
2021-04-17T17:55:25 #kisslinux <thermatix> I tried booting into arch labs not knowing that arch labs doesn't like ntfs (under windows) and it couldn't find the shutdown comand and now... it's kind of stuck as I acidently types `/sbin/shuf` and now it's just kind of...
2021-04-17T17:55:28 #kisslinux <thermatix> not letting me do anything
2021-04-17T17:57:08 #kisslinux <jslick> lol
2021-04-17T17:57:12 #kisslinux <jslick> Ctrl+D
2021-04-17T17:58:27 #kisslinux <jslick> it's waiting on stdin I think
2021-04-17T17:58:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> if it's waiting on stdin
2021-04-17T17:58:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> you should use ctrl-c
2021-04-17T17:58:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> otherwise, ctrl-z
2021-04-17T17:58:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's usually interpreted directly by the shell
2021-04-17T17:58:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> not the application
2021-04-17T18:00:14 #kisslinux <thermatix> holding the powerbutton for a super long time and eventually the laptop turned off
2021-04-17T18:00:29 #kisslinux <thermatix> and this time I'm going to try with lubuntu
2021-04-17T18:01:49 #kisslinux <jslick> eof probably would have been fine
2021-04-17T18:02:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> ctrl-c==eof
2021-04-17T18:02:38 #kisslinux <aarng> that's 2 key strokes
2021-04-17T18:02:43 #kisslinux <aarng> holding power button is just one
2021-04-17T18:02:45 #kisslinux <aarng> check mate
2021-04-17T18:03:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> joke's on you
2021-04-17T18:03:12 #kisslinux <jslick> ctrl+c is sigint.  either would have been fine in this case
2021-04-17T18:03:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> i have a dedicated BREAK key
2021-04-17T18:03:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, is it sigint?
2021-04-17T18:03:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> til
2021-04-17T18:03:40 #kisslinux <aarng> yeah, ctrl-d is EOF
2021-04-17T18:03:48 #kisslinux <aarng> it's configureable with stty
2021-04-17T18:04:05 #kisslinux <aarng> try cat >>somefile
2021-04-17T18:04:24 #kisslinux <aarng> to end you press ctrl-d. Pressing ctrl-c will leave you with an empty file
2021-04-17T18:06:16 #kisslinux <aarng> I finally fully understand sam, thanks for reminding me, midfavila
2021-04-17T18:09:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> yw ig
2021-04-17T18:11:08 #kisslinux <aarng> it really is a beefed up ed
2021-04-17T18:11:27 #kisslinux <aarng> I always had the impression you are forced to use the mouse but that's not the case at all
2021-04-17T18:11:46 #kisslinux <thermatix> what is sam?
2021-04-17T18:12:02 #kisslinux <aarng> a text editor
2021-04-17T18:12:07 #kisslinux <thermatix> ah
2021-04-17T18:18:30 #kisslinux <thermatix> what's the best live cd distro?
2021-04-17T18:18:43 #kisslinux <thermatix> one that will easily have all the tools I need with the least faff??
2021-04-17T18:18:58 #kisslinux <thermatix> that doesn't require me to download gigabytes of a iso
2021-04-17T18:22:36 #kisslinux <thermatix> gonna try puppy linux
2021-04-17T18:24:29 #kisslinux <jslick> I see SystemRescue mentioned sometimes, although I haven't tried it
2021-04-17T18:26:15 #kisslinux <thermatix> what's the best live cd maker tool? unetbootin, rufus or universal usb installer?
2021-04-17T18:26:32 #kisslinux <acheam> dd
2021-04-17T18:26:38 #kisslinux <acheam> but on windows, rufus
2021-04-17T18:26:58 #kisslinux <acheam> damn this RAID controller is the worst
2021-04-17T18:27:13 #kisslinux <acheam> obsd doesn't recognize it either
2021-04-17T18:27:23 #kisslinux <acheam> back to debian I s'pose
2021-04-17T18:37:16 #kisslinux <merakor> testuser_[m]: I sent a patch to the mailing-list, but I can send it here as well
2021-04-17T18:53:23 #kisslinux <thermatix> how do I get cfdisk to let me modify the NVME partitions? it only shows the live bootable drive partitions
2021-04-17T18:54:11 #kisslinux <thermatix> nvm
2021-04-17T18:54:16 #kisslinux <thermatix> figured it out
2021-04-17T18:57:06 #kisslinux <thermatix> Ok, better question, IF I overwrite the windows EFI, will GRUB recognize it?
2021-04-17T18:57:13 #kisslinux <thermatix> I mean windows?
2021-04-17T19:09:23 #kisslinux <spryc>  wtf? http://0x0.st/-Aj6.jpg
2021-04-17T19:10:06 #kisslinux <spryc> it just keeps on going like that
2021-04-17T19:18:25 #kisslinux <aarng> how do you start the gettys, inittab?
2021-04-17T19:18:47 #kisslinux <spryc> uuuh
2021-04-17T19:18:51 #kisslinux <spryc> i dont know
2021-04-17T19:18:56 #kisslinux <spryc> this is just what happens when i boot
2021-04-17T19:18:58 #kisslinux <aarng> also, why does your bootstage take 97 seconds? :D
2021-04-17T19:19:21 #kisslinux <spryc> it gave me a rescue shell
2021-04-17T19:19:26 #kisslinux <aarng> ah
2021-04-17T19:20:12 #kisslinux <aarng> if you use baseinit, gettys are started via inittab
2021-04-17T19:20:44 #kisslinux <aarng> but if you never touched that file...
2021-04-17T19:21:19 #kisslinux <aarng> must have something to do with rescue shell
2021-04-17T19:21:57 #kisslinux <spryc>  http://0x0.st/-Aj6.jpg
2021-04-17T19:22:12 #kisslinux <spryc> file systems are apparently fucked
2021-04-17T19:22:25 #kisslinux <spryc> when i type blkid they literally show up with those UUID�s.....
2021-04-17T19:22:40 #kisslinux <acheam> are you sure you sent the right pic?
2021-04-17T19:22:51 #kisslinux <aarng> was about to say, it's the same link
2021-04-17T19:23:46 #kisslinux <spryc> 0x0.st/-AjR.jpg
2021-04-17T19:23:48 #kisslinux <spryc> this
2021-04-17T19:23:51 #kisslinux <spryc> should be it
2021-04-17T19:29:59 #kisslinux <aarng> paste your fstab
2021-04-17T19:30:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> my new keyboard came. it is incredible.
2021-04-17T19:30:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> I missed mechanicals. Never buy a mushy garbage rubber dome for $10 to 'tide you over' while you wait for shipping
2021-04-17T19:30:50 #kisslinux <aarng> which one is that?
2021-04-17T19:31:21 #kisslinux <thermatix> will I need to download firmware blobs for my laptop?
2021-04-17T19:31:42 #kisslinux <acheam> it depends on the laptop
2021-04-17T19:31:46 #kisslinux <acheam> but it is likely
2021-04-17T19:32:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> the drop ctrl
2021-04-17T19:32:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> knowing what firmware you might need is tricky and nonobvious. The usual suspects are wireless cards and graphics cards
2021-04-17T19:33:04 #kisslinux <spryc> aarng: i can�'t paste it since the pc doesn't have network connection but i can take a picture
2021-04-17T19:33:57 #kisslinux <aarng> take a picture of `cat -vet /etc/fstab` then
2021-04-17T19:34:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> phoebos: glad you like the posts :)  there'll be one last one on serving git repos, much shorter and simpler
2021-04-17T19:38:06 #kisslinux <spryc> my cat doesn't have the v, e or t options
2021-04-17T19:38:13 #kisslinux <spryc> just th
2021-04-17T19:38:17 #kisslinux <spryc> just the -u option
2021-04-17T19:39:15 #kisslinux <thermatix> if it's the default cat then it will be from busybox
2021-04-17T19:39:44 #kisslinux <spryc> i know
2021-04-17T19:40:36 #kisslinux <aarng> `sed -n l` could work too
2021-04-17T19:41:26 #kisslinux <aarng> or `echo ,l | ed -s /etc/fstab`
2021-04-17T19:41:42 #kisslinux <thermatix> my point was the busybox equivalents aren't 100% compatible
2021-04-17T19:42:12 #kisslinux <aarng> but I guess all of this is rather pointless, you would know if you messed up your fstab, no?!
2021-04-17T19:42:39 #kisslinux <spryc> i have used the system before
2021-04-17T19:42:43 #kisslinux <spryc> it was all working
2021-04-17T19:42:46 #kisslinux <spryc> and just now when i booted
2021-04-17T19:42:48 #kisslinux <spryc> this happened
2021-04-17T19:42:53 #kisslinux <spryc> my fstab hasn't changed
2021-04-17T19:43:38 #kisslinux <aarng> what did you change though?
2021-04-17T19:43:46 #kisslinux <spryc> nothing
2021-04-17T19:44:04 #kisslinux <aarng> lol, weird
2021-04-17T19:44:21 #kisslinux <spryc> the last thing i did when i used the computer when it worked was changing some busybox utils to sbase and ubase
2021-04-17T19:44:29 #kisslinux <spryc> but it booted after
2021-04-17T19:44:40 #kisslinux <spryc> then suddenly now a few hours later it doesn't
2021-04-17T19:44:52 #kisslinux <spryc> wait
2021-04-17T19:44:55 #kisslinux <spryc> i may know why
2021-04-17T19:45:03 #kisslinux <spryc> we had a power outage for like 2 minutes
2021-04-17T19:45:06 #kisslinux <spryc> that is probably it
2021-04-17T19:46:40 #kisslinux <spryc> on openbsd this has happened like 2-3 times before and i just ran a fsck -y in the emergency shell and eveyerhting was good
2021-04-17T19:48:51 #kisslinux <thermatix> do I need official drivers from AMD for the igupu?
2021-04-17T19:48:54 #kisslinux <thermatix> igpu*
2021-04-17T19:49:21 #kisslinux <spryc> you will most likely need that yes
2021-04-17T19:49:25 #kisslinux <spryc> for the cpu too
2021-04-17T19:49:26 #kisslinux <thermatix> cos I all I could find are only for ubuntu, RHEL and Centos
2021-04-17T19:49:35 #kisslinux <thermatix> well it's a combined driver
2021-04-17T19:49:37 #kisslinux <aarng> spryc: kinda out of ideas here but one thing I would still try: use /dev/sdXX instead of UUID
2021-04-17T19:49:38 #kisslinux <thermatix> I think?
2021-04-17T19:49:46 #kisslinux <spryc> no
2021-04-17T19:49:57 #kisslinux <spryc> they are different binaries
2021-04-17T19:50:03 #kisslinux <spryc> several different binaries
2021-04-17T19:50:26 #kisslinux <spryc> read the wiki
2021-04-17T19:50:31 #kisslinux <spryc> aarng: i will tr
2021-04-17T19:51:55 #kisslinux <spryc> thermatix: you will most likely need the two microcode binaries for Ryzen Zen
2021-04-17T19:52:00 #kisslinux <spryc> from linux-firmware
2021-04-17T19:53:01 #kisslinux <thermatix> are you talking about the linux-firmware blobs?
2021-04-17T19:53:12 #kisslinux <thermatix> I've already git cloned it to the usb
2021-04-17T19:53:40 #kisslinux <thermatix> do I need all of it or just what I need for the laptop becuase I kinda don't know what I need
2021-04-17T19:58:20 #kisslinux <spryc> read the wiki
2021-04-17T19:58:28 #kisslinux <spryc> it tells you what you need for what gen
2021-04-17T19:59:04 #kisslinux <spryc> aarng: it failed with the partition paths too. http://0x0.st/-Ae8.jpg
2021-04-17T19:59:34 #kisslinux <spryc> wrong one...
2021-04-17T20:00:42 #kisslinux <spryc> s/8/t
2021-04-17T20:00:56 #kisslinux <spryc> https://0x0.st/-AeT.jpg
2021-04-17T20:01:31 #kisslinux <thermatix> I had that
2021-04-17T20:01:52 #kisslinux <thermatix> i think it's something to do with the filesystem?
2021-04-17T20:02:12 #kisslinux <thermatix> like
2021-04-17T20:02:37 #kisslinux <thermatix> if you try to do a live boot cd of arch under windows you'll get that message as it don't much like fat32
2021-04-17T20:03:12 #kisslinux <spryc> i am quite sure it happened after i had a power outage
2021-04-17T20:03:23 #kisslinux <spryc> so the file system is corrupt or something along those lines
2021-04-17T20:03:28 #kisslinux <spryc> maybe not recoverable
2021-04-17T20:04:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> you get dropped to an emergency shell so you you can actually try some stuff
2021-04-17T20:04:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> like lsblk, fsck the drives yourself
2021-04-17T20:05:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> konimex: can you build rust with llvm 12? I cannot. http://ix.io/2WqK
2021-04-17T20:06:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> feels like one of those 'wait and see' types of errors
2021-04-17T20:08:04 #kisslinux <spryc> i tried to run fsck
2021-04-17T20:08:13 #kisslinux <spryc> not sure what else to tr
2021-04-17T21:10:31 #kisslinux <konimex> dilyn: nope, 1.51.0 doesn't support llvm12
2021-04-17T21:34:45 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: aparently its the 50th anniversary of FTP yesterady
2021-04-17T21:34:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> very cool
2021-04-17T21:35:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> based file transfer protocol is based
2021-04-17T21:35:36 #kisslinux <kiedtl> There was a message sent to all of freenode by the freenode opers for the occasion
2021-04-17T21:36:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> i barely pay attention to freenode tbh.
2021-04-17T21:36:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> like, I'm literally in one channel, maybe two
2021-04-17T21:37:51 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl: wait what
2021-04-17T21:38:05 #kisslinux <acheam> i didn't get it :(
2021-04-17T21:38:16 #kisslinux <kiedtl> > 22:40 -- Wallops from jess (jess@freenode/staff/jess): Happy 50th birthday to FTP; a protocol born before TCP that has, much like Email and IRC, proved to be a foundational influence on the modern internet. https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc114 16 April 1971
2021-04-17T21:38:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> ftr neither did I
2021-04-17T21:38:28 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Ehm, you need +w since it was a WALLOPS
2021-04-17T21:38:44 #kisslinux <acheam> oops
2021-04-17T21:39:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> >:c
2021-04-17T21:39:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> stop oppressing me, acheam
2021-04-17T21:39:22 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks kiedtl
2021-04-17T21:39:31 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: do it in your server buffer.
2021-04-17T21:40:12 #kisslinux <acheam> ye thanks catgirl is different than weechat that way
2021-04-17T21:43:06 #kisslinux <aarng> I figured out the cause of kiss issue #5 o/
2021-04-17T21:43:10 #kisslinux <aarng> no onto fixing it
2021-04-17T21:43:19 #kisslinux <aarng> s/no/now/
2021-04-17T21:43:20 #kisslinux <movzbl> <aarng> now onto fixing it
2021-04-17T21:43:22 #kisslinux <acheam> MAGIC MAN
2021-04-17T21:43:29 #kisslinux <acheam> what is it?
2021-04-17T21:43:48 #kisslinux <aarng> uhm, lemme see how to explain it
2021-04-17T21:44:54 #kisslinux <aarng> there is a loop which checks all packages to be build if they have a cached binary
2021-04-17T21:45:18 #kisslinux <aarng> the packages are the positional parameters
2021-04-17T21:45:54 #kisslinux <aarng> if a pkg has a chached file, it will be installed from that and shift will be used to remove that positional parameter
2021-04-17T21:46:33 #kisslinux <aarng> but say the packages to be build are foo bar and baz
2021-04-17T21:47:12 #kisslinux <aarng> every package except foo have cached binaries
2021-04-17T21:47:39 #kisslinux <aarng> first iteration wont shift foo away
2021-04-17T21:48:00 #kisslinux <aarng> second iterarion bar has a cached binary and foo(!) is shifted away
2021-04-17T21:48:03 #kisslinux <aarng> etc etc
2021-04-17T21:48:53 #kisslinux <acheam> fucking genius
2021-04-17T21:49:04 #kisslinux <acheam> aaron g puts albert e to shame
2021-04-17T21:49:11 #kisslinux <aarng> lol
2021-04-17T21:49:25 #kisslinux <aarng> you say that, but it took me longer than I'd like to admit
2021-04-17T21:49:36 #kisslinux <acheam> but faster than anybody else!
2021-04-17T21:49:45 #kisslinux <aarng> set -x didn't really help all that much
2021-04-17T21:49:54 #kisslinux <aarng> 2 printf's did the trick
2021-04-17T21:50:08 #kisslinux <acheam> printf's, finding mistakes since 1976
2021-04-17T21:50:12 #kisslinux <aarng> yep
2021-04-17T21:54:42 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: check the logs
2021-04-17T21:54:47 #kisslinux <acheam> there is miraculous news!
2021-04-17T21:55:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> hot diggity damn
2021-04-17T21:56:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> aarng wins
2021-04-17T21:56:16 #kisslinux <aarng> what's my reward?
2021-04-17T21:56:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> a big ol' hug
2021-04-17T21:56:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> c'mere
2021-04-17T21:57:27 #kisslinux <aarng> aaw, that's nice
2021-04-17T21:57:35 #kisslinux <kiedtl> :D
2021-04-17T22:09:34 #kisslinux <acheam> aarng: you may want to paste your explanation into the GH issue
2021-04-17T22:09:39 #kisslinux <acheam> or post to the ML
2021-04-17T22:11:42 #kisslinux <aarng> yeah, I'm working on a patch which I will send to the ML
2021-04-17T22:11:53 #kisslinux <aarng> I will include a description of the bug
2021-04-17T22:14:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> I cannot wait
2021-04-17T22:15:26 #kisslinux <acheam> awesome!
2021-04-17T22:22:35 #kisslinux <aarng> my fix works, ez
2021-04-17T22:29:23 #kisslinux <ethan> #carbslinux
2021-04-17T22:29:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> :o
2021-04-17T22:35:03 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Weird..
2021-04-17T22:38:32 #kisslinux <acheam> merakor2 is this some kind of viral marketing
2021-04-17T22:40:49 #kisslinux <acheam> @github, waiting on this feature
2021-04-17T22:40:50 #kisslinux <acheam> https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/pull/12543
2021-04-17T22:42:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> man I must be super dumb or something?
2021-04-17T22:42:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> somehow smtpd keeps looping itself over these ML emails to me
2021-04-17T22:42:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> smh
2021-04-17T22:46:12 #kisslinux <kiedtl> whoelps
2021-04-17T22:46:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...
2021-04-17T22:46:24 #kisslinux <kiedtl> what is +u, anyway?
2021-04-17T22:47:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> "unfiltered"
2021-04-17T22:47:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://freenode.net/kb/answer/channelmodes
2021-04-17T22:47:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's raining perms
2021-04-17T22:48:04 #kisslinux <kiedtl> hm I see
2021-04-17T22:58:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> merakor2: you say in your patch you did some things to make sure it wasn't too slow; did you happen to time the change at all?
2021-04-17T23:06:03 #kisslinux <merakor2> I did not benchmark it, but I can do it tomorrow
2021-04-17T23:07:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> sounds good!
2021-04-17T23:09:51 #kisslinux <aarng> email send
2021-04-17T23:11:08 #kisslinux <aarng> btw. can you guys always send a reply if you applied a patch, or is that overkill?
2021-04-17T23:18:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> wym?
2021-04-17T23:19:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> like that I reply when I apply it?
2021-04-17T23:19:12 #kisslinux <aarng> yea
2021-04-17T23:19:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> I do plan on doing this :)
2021-04-17T23:19:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> when it gets merged tho
2021-04-17T23:20:37 #kisslinux <aarng> ok nice
2021-04-17T23:24:15 #kisslinux <aarng> god damn it
2021-04-17T23:24:36 #kisslinux <aarng> my 2nd patch, to fix my first mistake, uses tab for indentation
2021-04-17T23:25:28 #kisslinux <aarng> I will send a v2 which addresses all of that in one patch I guess
2021-04-17T23:28:53 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> dilyn: does your hikari build work? my makefile have an error
2021-04-17T23:28:56 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> do you use bmake
2021-04-17T23:33:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> you have to use bmake
2021-04-17T23:33:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> take your time figuring it out aarng xD
2021-04-17T23:33:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> I should configure vim to show tab characters so I can watch for that type of stuff...
2021-04-17T23:35:38 #kisslinux <aarng> definitely a good idea
2021-04-17T23:36:40 #kisslinux <aarng> or write a little linter script which checks for leading tabs, trailing spaces, overly long lines etc.
2021-04-17T23:37:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> I trust my elf eyes
2021-04-17T23:37:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> though I imagine some github action exists for it...
2021-04-17T23:39:07 #kisslinux <aarng> could be