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2021-03-08T00:09:05 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> oh, a kisslinux cloak
2021-03-08T00:10:28 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> there's some sort of official confirmation to get one, right?
2021-03-08T00:17:47 #kisslinux <acheam> I think you need to be a freenode group admin or smthng to get it, but kiedtl is the expert
2021-03-08T00:18:35 #kisslinux <acheam> although idk becuase mid has it, and he's not an op
2021-03-08T00:18:59 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> if anyone can get it for fun I would love to
2021-03-08T00:19:14 #kisslinux <midfavila1> somebody who's associated with the project has to ask for it to be granted to someone else
2021-03-08T00:19:29 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but I think it would be best to leave kiss cloak policy up to dilyn
2021-03-08T00:19:49 #kisslinux <midfavila1> also you should totes give me op kthx
2021-03-08T00:20:02 #kisslinux <acheam> 4 ops in a 75 person channel lol
2021-03-08T00:20:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> lowkey don't know irc ops
2021-03-08T00:20:35 #kisslinux <acheam> also, why do some people op chanserv?
2021-03-08T00:21:03 #kisslinux <midfavila1> idk freenode sysops either but you don't really have to
2021-03-08T00:21:04 #kisslinux <midfavila1> just be like
2021-03-08T00:21:12 #kisslinux <midfavila1> "hey yeah uh this guy can have one."
2021-03-08T00:21:22 #kisslinux <midfavila1> at least afaik
2021-03-08T00:21:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-08T00:21:37 #kisslinux <midfavila1> that's basically how I got one
2021-03-08T00:21:43 #kisslinux * midfavila1 shrugs
2021-03-08T00:21:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> freenode takes 'decentralized platform' to the most literal of extremes eh
2021-03-08T00:21:53 #kisslinux <midfavila1> freenode is the definition of a centralized platform
2021-03-08T00:21:55 #kisslinux <midfavila1> lmao
2021-03-08T00:22:07 #kisslinux <acheam> hey hey hey, there's OFTC too!
2021-03-08T00:22:15 #kisslinux <midfavila1> "OFTC"?
2021-03-08T00:22:19 #kisslinux <acheam> aint no monopoly here
2021-03-08T00:22:36 #kisslinux <midfavila1> centralized doesn't imply monopoly
2021-03-08T00:22:51 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it's just that IRC operates on the assumption of a central server(s) that clients connect to
2021-03-08T00:23:00 #kisslinux <acheam> I mean, in terms of linuxy/open-sourcy IRC communities, freenode is the king
2021-03-08T00:23:04 #kisslinux <midfavila1> well yeah
2021-03-08T00:23:08 #kisslinux <midfavila1> they're pretty de facto
2021-03-08T00:23:16 #kisslinux <acheam> some groups are on OFTC, but thats about it
2021-03-08T00:23:18 #kisslinux <midfavila1> all the places I used to frequent are either dead or cringe
2021-03-08T00:23:33 #kisslinux <midfavila1> see: 2600net (cringe) furnet (both)
2021-03-08T00:23:57 #kisslinux <acheam> why might I ask were you engaging in furnet
2021-03-08T00:24:04 #kisslinux <midfavila1> because I'm a massive furfag
2021-03-08T00:24:08 #kisslinux <midfavila1> what, it wasn't obvious?
2021-03-08T00:24:17 #kisslinux <midfavila1> or is my camoflauge just that good
2021-03-08T00:24:35 #kisslinux <acheam> oi we don't say that word here
2021-03-08T00:24:44 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i can say that word if I'm referring to myself -w-
2021-03-08T00:24:57 #kisslinux <midfavila1> something something self deprecation
2021-03-08T00:25:16 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> yo dawg
2021-03-08T00:25:28 #kisslinux <midfavila1> ?
2021-03-08T00:25:58 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila1: the problem is that its "self deprecation" because of the contents of another word
2021-03-08T00:26:07 #kisslinux <acheam> it shouldn't be, just don't say it
2021-03-08T00:26:10 #kisslinux * midfavila1 eyerolls
2021-03-08T00:26:13 #kisslinux <midfavila1> yeah okay dad
2021-03-08T00:26:29 #kisslinux <acheam> are ye winning, son?
2021-03-08T00:26:41 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i lost before I was born
2021-03-08T00:26:46 #kisslinux <midfavila1> born to FEEL
2021-03-08T00:33:33 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> isn't in the statutes of kiss something like "there shall never be rules regarding speech"
2021-03-08T00:34:29 #kisslinux <necromansy> yes, i dont see anyone actively putting up with someone being explicitly belligerant and disruptive
2021-03-08T00:34:32 #kisslinux <necromansy> not that mid is
2021-03-08T00:34:36 #kisslinux <necromansy> mind you
2021-03-08T00:34:52 #kisslinux <midfavila1> was gonna say, i'm not really a mean-spirited person
2021-03-08T00:35:16 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i don't think maliciousness should be tolerated. the problem is that determining intent and context in a text medium isn't the easiest thing to do
2021-03-08T00:35:18 #kisslinux <necromansy> no, i just find that "no rules regarding speech" always has a limit, and that tends to be the status quo/peace of the server
2021-03-08T00:35:53 #kisslinux <midfavila1> that just makes it "no rules regarding speech... unless we don't like your speech"
2021-03-08T00:36:03 #kisslinux <midfavila1> which is otherwise known as "pandering"
2021-03-08T00:36:14 #kisslinux <acheam> right, but using a slur is different
2021-03-08T00:36:24 #kisslinux <midfavila1> if I want to call myself everything under the sun, like
2021-03-08T00:36:27 #kisslinux <midfavila1> what're you gonna do
2021-03-08T00:36:31 #kisslinux <midfavila1> ban me for making fun of myself?
2021-03-08T00:36:34 #kisslinux <E5ten> tell you not to do it here
2021-03-08T00:36:46 #kisslinux <E5ten> it's really easy not to use slurs
2021-03-08T00:36:56 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it's really easy to not get your panties in a twist
2021-03-08T00:36:57 #kisslinux * midfavila1 shrugs
2021-03-08T00:37:08 #kisslinux <acheam> if the way you make fun of yourself is by using words that have been used in the context of centuries of opression and murder, then yes
2021-03-08T00:37:29 #kisslinux <midfavila1> kind of uptight but whatever dude
2021-03-08T00:38:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> something something know your audience
2021-03-08T00:38:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> something something don't just say shit cus you can
2021-03-08T00:38:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> something something... know your audiene
2021-03-08T00:38:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> s/audiene/audience
2021-03-08T00:38:48 #kisslinux <kissbot> <dilyn> something something... know your audience
2021-03-08T00:38:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> /shrugh
2021-03-08T00:39:11 #kisslinux <midfavila1> sure.
2021-03-08T00:39:32 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Feel free to check. There was tho more shells but I'm unsure about their features/completeness fully https://github.com/nxghtmvrx/guides/blob/master/alternatives.md
2021-03-08T00:40:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> is this a more niche version of the suckless.org 'sucks less' list?
2021-03-08T00:40:29 #kisslinux <necromansy> nah its an addition to mayfrost's alternatives
2021-03-08T00:40:31 #kisslinux <midfavila1> wow, niche software! my favorite kind of software
2021-03-08T00:40:35 #kisslinux <acheam> I like how the fetch tool is pfetch -> ufetch and not neofetch -> ufetch
2021-03-08T00:40:48 #kisslinux <midfavila1> tell them to add s
2021-03-08T00:40:55 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> because they are already in mayfrost/guides
2021-03-08T00:41:10 #kisslinux <necromansy> i was actually gonna suggest maybe including the mayfrost ones for completeness
2021-03-08T00:41:13 #kisslinux <midfavila1> oh, mrsh is on this
2021-03-08T00:41:14 #kisslinux <midfavila1> ew
2021-03-08T00:41:15 #kisslinux <necromansy> and highlighting the additions
2021-03-08T00:41:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> needs startx -> write your own
2021-03-08T00:41:33 #kisslinux <midfavila1> just manually start an X server
2021-03-08T00:41:34 #kisslinux <necromansy> makes it easier to see whats *missing* and not just featured in mayfrost's one
2021-03-08T00:41:36 #kisslinux <midfavila1> kids these days
2021-03-08T00:43:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://chiselapp.com/ pretty
2021-03-08T00:43:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> git -> fossil
2021-03-08T00:43:14 #kisslinux <midfavila1> they don't even have sls as an alternative to su
2021-03-08T00:43:20 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Well I would just pr this stuff to mayfrost but since he's gone for a while there's this for now
2021-03-08T00:43:43 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah, you might have an easier time forking his version and adding these to the fork
2021-03-08T00:43:44 #kisslinux <necromansy> imo
2021-03-08T00:43:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> sls == ssu
2021-03-08T00:43:52 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: I like how you've turned towards fossil :)
2021-03-08T00:44:01 #kisslinux <midfavila1> oh, is sls called ssu too?
2021-03-08T00:44:01 #kisslinux <acheam> although I don't even use it
2021-03-08T00:44:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's interesting! i want to play more with it
2021-03-08T00:44:05 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i've never heard it called that
2021-03-08T00:44:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> I need a comparable workflow to git to decide if i like it tho
2021-03-08T00:44:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> it was recently renamed
2021-03-08T00:44:25 #kisslinux <acheam> they renamed
2021-03-08T00:44:40 #kisslinux <acheam> do you not use the community repos? there was a notice in the update file for like a week
2021-03-08T00:44:46 #kisslinux <necromansy> kek
2021-03-08T00:44:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> #maintainyourownrepos
2021-03-08T00:45:00 #kisslinux <midfavila1> I don't really use the community repos because nothing I use is in them.
2021-03-08T00:45:25 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> nxghtmvrx, you know musl libc wiki's alternatives page ?
2021-03-08T00:45:25 #kisslinux <midfavila1> mostly it's a "man I really don't want to spend five hours packaging software" thing when I check the community repo
2021-03-08T00:45:31 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i don't even think I've switched to the new one
2021-03-08T00:45:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> honestly my biggest interest in fossil is to continue paring down GPL software :v
2021-03-08T00:45:50 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> You mean old one or new one? Since they migrated
2021-03-08T00:46:06 #kisslinux <midfavila1> old
2021-03-08T00:46:16 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> old and new is same
2021-03-08T00:46:20 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> except css
2021-03-08T00:46:30 #kisslinux <midfavila1> well, I wasn't intending much to switch
2021-03-08T00:46:43 #kisslinux <midfavila1> community is mostly irrelevant to my systems
2021-03-08T00:46:55 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i think nxghtmvrx was talking about musl wiki, but i could be wrong
2021-03-08T00:47:00 #kisslinux <midfavila1> oh
2021-03-08T00:47:02 #kisslinux * midfavila1 facepalms
2021-03-08T00:47:22 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Then I'll look into it. Thanks for info. I got that you meant they have alternatives list too
2021-03-08T00:47:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> KISS on the projects using musl list when
2021-03-08T00:47:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> Rich come on bud
2021-03-08T00:47:37 #kisslinux <midfavila1> when you get around to hitting them
2021-03-08T00:47:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> Rich is busy
2021-03-08T00:47:50 #kisslinux <midfavila1> hit them harder
2021-03-08T00:47:51 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> https://wiki.musl-libc.org/alternatives.html
2021-03-08T00:47:54 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i recommend a two by four
2021-03-08T00:48:04 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> it's probably 60+% written by yours truly
2021-03-08T00:48:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> Love how glaucus is listed but it's just lfs smh
2021-03-08T00:48:35 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah that's a treausre. Glaucus lol
2021-03-08T00:48:36 #kisslinux <acheam> is it?
2021-03-08T00:48:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> :P
2021-03-08T00:48:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> doesn't the author idle in this channel...
2021-03-08T00:48:56 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i mean, i imagine most modern "standalone" distros are actually just LFS
2021-03-08T00:48:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> the wiki/howto is very similar to LFS
2021-03-08T00:49:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> indeed
2021-03-08T00:49:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean KISS is just lfs without the steps
2021-03-08T00:49:14 #kisslinux <acheam> different libc, init, etc
2021-03-08T00:49:20 #kisslinux <acheam> and package manager
2021-03-08T00:49:21 #kisslinux <midfavila1> actually
2021-03-08T00:49:32 #kisslinux <midfavila1> the main reason I switched to KISS was because I got sick of redoing LFS for every new machine
2021-03-08T00:49:33 #kisslinux <midfavila1> lmao
2021-03-08T00:49:44 #kisslinux <midfavila1> originally I was going to tweak LFS and slap pkgsrc on top
2021-03-08T00:49:58 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but then my hard drive died in the middle of backing it up to a tarball
2021-03-08T00:50:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> honestly, same
2021-03-08T00:50:02 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and I ragequit
2021-03-08T00:50:24 #kisslinux <midfavila1> after that I used sorcery for a couple weeks
2021-03-08T00:50:26 #kisslinux <midfavila1> then ragequit
2021-03-08T00:50:37 #kisslinux <midfavila1> because it's way too easy to destroy your machine with sorcery'
2021-03-08T00:50:39 #kisslinux <midfavila1> sorcery*
2021-03-08T00:50:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> I got stuck on the 'package management' page for so long coming up with how exactly I wanted to do it, and then I say Dylan's post about kiss and was like 'fuck this dude read my mind'
2021-03-08T00:50:45 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> wtf is sorcery
2021-03-08T00:50:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> a package manager!
2021-03-08T00:50:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> for... crux?
2021-03-08T00:50:58 #kisslinux <midfavila1> source mage's package manager
2021-03-08T00:50:59 #kisslinux <acheam> sourcemage
2021-03-08T00:51:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> f
2021-03-08T00:51:06 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Has anyone gotten themes working with grub no matter what I do I can't seem to get this to work: https://github.com/vinceliuice/grub2-themes
2021-03-08T00:51:07 #kisslinux <midfavila1> crux uses pkgtools
2021-03-08T00:51:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> I know what i'm talking about shush
2021-03-08T00:51:17 #kisslinux <acheam> imagine using bloated grub
2021-03-08T00:51:21 #kisslinux <midfavila1> ^
2021-03-08T00:51:24 #kisslinux <necromansy> ive never bothered with grub themes
2021-03-08T00:51:24 #kisslinux <midfavila1> use extlinux or lilo
2021-03-08T00:51:29 #kisslinux <acheam> ew liilo
2021-03-08T00:51:29 #kisslinux <MueVoid> I used to use efi stub but meh
2021-03-08T00:51:33 #kisslinux <midfavila1> grub is a hot mess
2021-03-08T00:51:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> muevoid: i always just used a userspace grub themer because I could never get it to work otherwise
2021-03-08T00:51:51 #kisslinux <midfavila1> grub just doesn't work for me
2021-03-08T00:51:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> also that
2021-03-08T00:51:57 #kisslinux <midfavila1> at all
2021-03-08T00:52:33 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i wanted to try kboot
2021-03-08T00:52:33 #kisslinux <MueVoid> I don't like grub but I was having issues with efi stub so I figure if I'm using it should at least make it look nice
2021-03-08T00:52:42 #kisslinux <midfavila1> since it's pretty minimal and flexible
2021-03-08T00:52:57 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but it requires you use the boot sector code from extlinux
2021-03-08T00:52:59 #kisslinux <midfavila1> or write your own
2021-03-08T00:53:10 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and I'm too much of a brainlet to write my own and too lazy to switch my machines over
2021-03-08T00:53:44 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I'm probably doing something wrong because lilo never worked for me. I would use it if I could
2021-03-08T00:53:44 #kisslinux <MueVoid> #dilyn what do you mean a userspace grub themer? like grub-customizer?
2021-03-08T00:53:50 #kisslinux <midfavila1> also MueVoid the best-looking bootloader is the one you look at the least
2021-03-08T00:54:09 #kisslinux <midfavila1> nxghtmvrx LILO sometimes just doesn't work. it's a distro thing
2021-03-08T00:54:18 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Fair but grub just works *shrug*
2021-03-08T00:54:28 #kisslinux <midfavila1> like if your toolchain is fucked
2021-03-08T00:54:31 #kisslinux <midfavila1> lilo will still build
2021-03-08T00:54:35 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it just... won't run
2021-03-08T00:54:43 #kisslinux <MueVoid> I really want to use efistub but again was having issues with it
2021-03-08T00:55:44 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Why isn't there just simply dumb thing that works. Grub is bad
2021-03-08T00:55:52 #kisslinux <necromansy> ^
2021-03-08T00:55:54 #kisslinux <midfavila1> there is
2021-03-08T00:55:57 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it's called extlinux
2021-03-08T00:56:26 #kisslinux <midfavila1> dd the boot code onto your boot sector, write a five line config file, run extlinux on your boot partition, and it just werks
2021-03-08T00:56:35 #kisslinux <midfavila1> don't do anything stupid and it'll continue to just werk
2021-03-08T00:57:21 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> sounds nice. I'll try
2021-03-08T00:57:35 #kisslinux <midfavila1> actually come to think of it why isn't extlinux the standard kiss bootloader
2021-03-08T00:57:41 #kisslinux <midfavila1> as opposed to, of all things, GRUB
2021-03-08T00:58:20 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Most common thing on the "rebel" distro? Lol
2021-03-08T00:58:43 #kisslinux <midfavila1> well, no. it's just that grub is massively bloated
2021-03-08T00:59:11 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Ofc. Same as soystemd, glibc and etc
2021-03-08T00:59:15 #kisslinux <midfavila1> the bootloader should do one thing. load your kernel and execute it
2021-03-08T00:59:27 #kisslinux <midfavila1> no menus, no fancy themes, no built-in command shell
2021-03-08T00:59:43 #kisslinux <midfavila1> extlinux has none of that by default
2021-03-08T00:59:54 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> it has a tiny menu
2021-03-08T01:00:00 #kisslinux <midfavila1> no, it doesn't
2021-03-08T01:00:04 #kisslinux <midfavila1> that's seperate
2021-03-08T01:00:18 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Does extlinux support kernel parameters for things such as initramfs?
2021-03-08T01:00:21 #kisslinux <midfavila1> yes
2021-03-08T01:00:34 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i'll post my config file
2021-03-08T01:00:43 #kisslinux <midfavila1> ui menu.c32
2021-03-08T01:00:44 #kisslinux <midfavila1> prompt 0
2021-03-08T01:00:44 #kisslinux <midfavila1> menu title Boot Menu
2021-03-08T01:00:44 #kisslinux <midfavila1> timeout 50
2021-03-08T01:00:44 #kisslinux <midfavila1> default default
2021-03-08T01:00:44 #kisslinux <midfavila1> label default
2021-03-08T01:00:44 #kisslinux <midfavila1> linux ../vmlinuz
2021-03-08T01:00:45 #kisslinux <midfavila1> append ro root=/dev/sda2 quiet resume=/dev/sda3
2021-03-08T01:00:48 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Who the hell cares what the bootloader is as long as it works. Just give me simple thing that even a caveman could understand
2021-03-08T01:00:52 #kisslinux <midfavila1> not even long enough to justify uploading to 0x0
2021-03-08T01:01:08 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> "menu title"
2021-03-08T01:01:09 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and the "who the hell cares" are the people who want a stable, fast, reliable bootloader
2021-03-08T01:01:32 #kisslinux <midfavila1> sh4rm4^bnc yeah I have the menu enabled
2021-03-08T01:01:41 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and relevant files in my boot partition
2021-03-08T01:01:42 #kisslinux <necromansy> how difficult is it to replace grub with extlinux?
2021-03-08T01:01:46 #kisslinux <midfavila1> not at all
2021-03-08T01:01:47 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Well because simplest thing is what works and everyone can understand obv
2021-03-08T01:02:06 #kisslinux <midfavila1> one sec laptop is about to die
2021-03-08T01:02:07 #kisslinux <midfavila1> docking time
2021-03-08T01:02:30 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> for some reason the menu doesnt work anymore on my other pc
2021-03-08T01:02:49 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> as in: i can select another entry, but it always loads default
2021-03-08T01:03:03 #kisslinux <midfavila1> check to make sure your labels are consistent
2021-03-08T01:03:16 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> in which regard
2021-03-08T01:03:32 #kisslinux <midfavila1> in regard to your kernel
2021-03-08T01:03:43 #kisslinux <midfavila1> so like if I made a second entry for "default" in the config above
2021-03-08T01:03:54 #kisslinux <midfavila1> no matter which I chose it would still load my "default" config
2021-03-08T01:04:16 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> well obviously i gave it another name
2021-03-08T01:04:20 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> something like safeboot
2021-03-08T01:04:20 #kisslinux <midfavila1> just checking
2021-03-08T01:04:26 #kisslinux <MueVoid> I forget how do you make it so you are automatically logged in to tty?
2021-03-08T01:04:36 #kisslinux <midfavila1> depends on your tty
2021-03-08T01:04:44 #kisslinux <MueVoid> The default one with KISS
2021-03-08T01:04:50 #kisslinux <midfavila1> busybox? no idea
2021-03-08T01:05:10 #kisslinux <midfavila1> probably edit /etc/inittab
2021-03-08T01:05:17 #kisslinux <midfavila1> execute a shell prompt as your "login"
2021-03-08T01:05:20 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Thank you
2021-03-08T01:06:26 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Isn't ignite deprecated? Whi it is on musl alternatives list?
2021-03-08T01:06:39 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> r/Whi/Why
2021-03-08T01:06:52 #kisslinux <MueVoid> How would I make it so when I log into tty it auto runs a command such as sway? I'm assuming something in .profile?
2021-03-08T01:07:04 #kisslinux <acheam> that list isn't maintained perfectly
2021-03-08T01:07:17 #kisslinux <acheam> MueVoid: yeah that works
2021-03-08T01:07:19 #kisslinux <midfavila1> idk man just write a shell script to execute stuff and then set that as your login under inittab
2021-03-08T01:07:24 #kisslinux <midfavila1> that's how I'd do it
2021-03-08T01:08:02 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> the list needs an overhaul
2021-03-08T01:08:34 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> for example kripto was deleted by its author
2021-03-08T01:09:28 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Autoexec stuff with .profile was on kiss's wiki install guide in xorg I think
2021-03-08T01:10:26 #kisslinux <midfavila1> thing is
2021-03-08T01:10:30 #kisslinux <midfavila1> if the program hangs
2021-03-08T01:10:33 #kisslinux <midfavila1> you don't get a prompt
2021-03-08T01:10:38 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it just... stays like that
2021-03-08T01:11:01 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> mmh, that toolkit looks nice http://enchantia.com/software/graphapp/images/monty.png
2021-03-08T01:11:05 #kisslinux <midfavila1> unless you background it or whatever
2021-03-08T01:11:26 #kisslinux <midfavila1> that does look nice. MOTIF or?
2021-03-08T01:11:34 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> "graphapp"
2021-03-08T01:11:37 #kisslinux <midfavila1> the buttons don't look very MOTIF-y
2021-03-08T01:11:37 #kisslinux <midfavila1> oh
2021-03-08T01:12:05 #kisslinux <midfavila1> honestly I wish modern programs looked more like that
2021-03-08T01:12:18 #kisslinux <midfavila1> sure you can just theme them but it doesn't replicate the look all that well
2021-03-08T01:12:20 #kisslinux <midfavila1> nor the feel
2021-03-08T01:12:27 #kisslinux <necromansy> thats why i like curses programs
2021-03-08T01:12:29 #kisslinux <necromansy> imo
2021-03-08T01:12:45 #kisslinux <midfavila1> oh hey that screenshot is of a program under FVWM too
2021-03-08T01:12:47 #kisslinux <midfavila1> very cool
2021-03-08T01:13:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> that toolkit looks cancerous
2021-03-08T01:13:46 #kisslinux <midfavila1> go back to KDE >:c
2021-03-08T01:13:57 #kisslinux <midfavila1> this is an aesthetic zone
2021-03-08T01:14:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-08T01:14:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> http://chiselapp.com/user/aplsimple/repository/HOWTO_chisel/doc/trunk/doc/www/chisel_en.html this is the most aggravating how-to i've ever read in my life
2021-03-08T01:14:46 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> http://enchantia.com/software/graphapp/doc/examples/images/alldemo.png
2021-03-08T01:15:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> :sick:
2021-03-08T01:15:12 #kisslinux <midfavila1> very windows 95
2021-03-08T01:15:22 #kisslinux <midfavila1> although that shade of purple-blue is... less than stellar
2021-03-08T01:15:45 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Muh colors
2021-03-08T01:16:05 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Just set it to something dark with bright font
2021-03-08T01:17:21 #kisslinux <midfavila1> bright with dark font is more my speed
2021-03-08T01:17:43 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i'm very much a traditionalist when it comes to my UI colors
2021-03-08T01:18:08 #kisslinux <midfavila1> white for text input areas, black font, varying shades of gray for most else
2021-03-08T01:18:20 #kisslinux <midfavila1> maybe a splash of vibrancy to indicate focus or activity
2021-03-08T01:18:43 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Sometimes I do it too but only on things that is crucial for reading like e-books and stuff. Otherwise revert
2021-03-08T01:20:19 #kisslinux <midfavila1> http://0x0.st/-PDB.png
2021-03-08T01:20:25 #kisslinux <midfavila1> for reference this is my current setup
2021-03-08T01:20:46 #kisslinux <midfavila1> still working on the shelf's fonts
2021-03-08T01:20:50 #kisslinux <midfavila1> not sure what's up with them
2021-03-08T01:20:51 #kisslinux <necromansy> god i hate how chunky that is
2021-03-08T01:21:03 #kisslinux <midfavila1> see I love bevels and general chunkiness
2021-03-08T01:21:14 #kisslinux <necromansy> so much wasted spaaaaaaaaaaaace
2021-03-08T01:21:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> a;sdlhfpasdf
2021-03-08T01:21:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's so gross wtf
2021-03-08T01:21:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> cancel it
2021-03-08T01:21:43 #kisslinux <acheam> ew light theme too
2021-03-08T01:21:45 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> What wm is that? Looks familiar
2021-03-08T01:21:48 #kisslinux <midfavila1> FVFWM
2021-03-08T01:21:50 #kisslinux <midfavila1> FVWM*
2021-03-08T01:22:14 #kisslinux <midfavila1> most of the widgets in that image are modules for FWVM
2021-03-08T01:22:30 #kisslinux <midfavila1> although the little bars embedded in the shelf on the right are from a program called xosview
2021-03-08T01:22:36 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and the clock is xclock
2021-03-08T01:23:17 #kisslinux <midfavila1> all in all it's like maybe around 20mb of memory usage
2021-03-08T01:23:49 #kisslinux <midfavila1> normally I have a compositor running too but you'd never know because I don't use muh drop shadows
2021-03-08T01:24:01 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> yeah FVWM is efficient as hell at least stock
2021-03-08T01:24:21 #kisslinux <midfavila1> unless you spawn dozens of buttons instances it tends to stay efficient
2021-03-08T01:24:44 #kisslinux <midfavila1> also re: wasted space
2021-03-08T01:24:58 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it's like maybe 1/12 of the screen
2021-03-08T01:25:09 #kisslinux <midfavila1> this is a low res laptop anyway hence multiple desktops
2021-03-08T01:25:21 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and if I want to get something done I use my workstation
2021-03-08T01:25:23 #kisslinux <midfavila1> so
2021-03-08T01:25:58 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah me who uses dwm lol. So this is just toy for you for fun then
2021-03-08T01:26:07 #kisslinux <midfavila1> not really
2021-03-08T01:26:10 #kisslinux <midfavila1> this is my daily driver
2021-03-08T01:26:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> why are the only guides for setting up fossil mirrors the same dude's 2018 blog post mirrored to his three different sites...
2021-03-08T01:26:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> this is frustrating as fuck
2021-03-08T01:26:38 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it's designed for usability on both tablets and regular usage without too much bloat
2021-03-08T01:26:38 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> because fossill sucks?
2021-03-08T01:26:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> lel
2021-03-08T01:26:56 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> (just a guess, don't know it actually)
2021-03-08T01:27:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean it's certainly not... used?
2021-03-08T01:27:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> there's like basically no content for it
2021-03-08T01:27:24 #kisslinux <midfavila1> that automatically means it's bad
2021-03-08T01:27:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> f
2021-03-08T01:27:37 #kisslinux <midfavila1> don't you know that the market only uses objectively good technology
2021-03-08T01:27:45 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> though the concept of stuffing everything into an sql file seems ill-advised
2021-03-08T01:27:48 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it's a fact that anyone who disagrees with said market is just wrong and misguided
2021-03-08T01:27:48 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Good is bad
2021-03-08T01:27:52 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Bad is good
2021-03-08T01:27:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> like it's super interesting but I can't even get the allegedly trivial fossil server repo.fossil to work properly
2021-03-08T01:28:07 #kisslinux <midfavila1> "wow guys this is like literally 1984 omg!!!"
2021-03-08T01:28:33 #kisslinux <midfavila1> what's your take on 1984 dilyn
2021-03-08T01:28:35 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> covid 1984
2021-03-08T01:28:35 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: ??
2021-03-08T01:29:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> `fossil server repo.fossil` won't actually connect to a port so i can view the repository in a webbrowser
2021-03-08T01:29:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> is what i mean
2021-03-08T01:29:18 #kisslinux <acheam> strange
2021-03-08T01:29:43 #kisslinux <midfavila1> anti bloat features built into it I see
2021-03-08T01:29:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> besides; i made what I thought was a successful push to my repo i just made on chiselapp, but the push output is so fucking esoteric that it's unparseable, and even though it LOOKED like something went up, nothing is actually there...
2021-03-08T01:30:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> as a static executable fossil is just 7.1mb
2021-03-08T01:30:15 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> "just"
2021-03-08T01:30:28 #kisslinux <midfavila1> the best version control system is a PHP file directory with tarballs of source and binaries sorted by version
2021-03-08T01:30:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean, it can (allegedly) self host a webser
2021-03-08T01:30:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> webserver
2021-03-08T01:30:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> so if that 3mb is that, it's basically just git
2021-03-08T01:30:56 #kisslinux <midfavila1> why would I want my VCS to host a website
2021-03-08T01:31:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> ...
2021-03-08T01:31:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> is that not self evident?
2021-03-08T01:31:15 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i get the reason behind it
2021-03-08T01:31:23 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> my httpserver is 4.3 KB https://github.com/rofl0r/twatscrape/blob/master/httpsrv.py
2021-03-08T01:31:23 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but like... i'd rather use a proper web server.
2021-03-08T01:31:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean
2021-03-08T01:31:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> okay
2021-03-08T01:31:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> you could probably do that, i imagine
2021-03-08T01:31:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> 'twatscrape'
2021-03-08T01:31:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> literally END MY IFE
2021-03-08T01:31:58 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Roflor stuff? Nice
2021-03-08T01:31:58 #kisslinux <midfavila1> triggering
2021-03-08T01:32:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> s/IFE/LIFE/
2021-03-08T01:32:02 #kisslinux <kissbot> <dilyn> literally END MY LIFE
2021-03-08T01:32:13 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Another author of good stuff
2021-03-08T01:32:17 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> it's me
2021-03-08T01:32:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> it u
2021-03-08T01:32:31 #kisslinux <midfavila1> what a twist
2021-03-08T01:32:32 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> uuuuuu
2021-03-08T01:32:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> uwu
2021-03-08T01:32:42 #kisslinux <midfavila1> that's OUR word
2021-03-08T01:32:43 #kisslinux <midfavila1> normie
2021-03-08T01:32:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm the least normie cuck this side of the potomac little man
2021-03-08T01:33:15 #kisslinux <midfavila1> you've stepped foot inside of starbucks
2021-03-08T01:33:21 #kisslinux <midfavila1> that automatically makes you at least somewhat normie
2021-03-08T01:33:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> i've lived inside a starbucks
2021-03-08T01:33:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> that makes me NOT a normie
2021-03-08T01:33:41 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i bet you use reddit too
2021-03-08T01:33:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-08T01:33:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> only to collect meaningless internet epeen
2021-03-08T01:34:15 #kisslinux <midfavila1> *sips soy latte while posting on r/s4s from my macbook pro*
2021-03-08T01:34:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> aside from r/s4s that's very me
2021-03-08T01:34:40 #kisslinux <midfavila1> yep definitely normie
2021-03-08T01:34:42 #kisslinux <midfavila1> :P
2021-03-08T01:34:57 #kisslinux <necromansy> >glances at oat milk iced latte on my desk
2021-03-08T01:35:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> congrats you use a normie distro
2021-03-08T01:35:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> necromansy: enjoying their new shaken espressos?
2021-03-08T01:35:27 #kisslinux <midfavila1> time to switch back to SMGL
2021-03-08T01:35:27 #kisslinux <necromansy> nah i dont have starbucks near me
2021-03-08T01:35:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> f
2021-03-08T01:35:37 #kisslinux <midfavila1> you aren't missing out on much
2021-03-08T01:35:44 #kisslinux <midfavila1> you'd have to pay me to drink or eat anything from starbucks
2021-03-08T01:36:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> I drank their doubleshots for, I shit you not, six continuous years daily. and tuesday they fucked it all up
2021-03-08T01:36:01 #kisslinux <necromansy> this is an iced latte from a company called Minor Figures, a recent import from britland
2021-03-08T01:36:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> now my drink costs exactly the same and they took away a shot of espresso :'(
2021-03-08T01:36:29 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but starbucks is super based you guys
2021-03-08T01:36:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> nah
2021-03-08T01:36:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> just convenient af
2021-03-08T01:36:43 #kisslinux <midfavila1> literally just make your own coffee
2021-03-08T01:36:52 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it's way cheaper and hardly inconvenient if you have the proper tools
2021-03-08T01:37:01 #kisslinux <necromansy> theres a local cafe just near me i get proper soy lattes from
2021-03-08T01:37:09 #kisslinux <necromansy> otherwise i just make black coffee
2021-03-08T01:37:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> minor figures, what an interesting business...
2021-03-08T01:37:20 #kisslinux <midfavila1> if I can make a decent cup of joe with nothing but paper towels and elastic bands then mister barista can totally do the sme
2021-03-08T01:37:24 #kisslinux <midfavila1> s/sme/same
2021-03-08T01:37:25 #kisslinux <kissbot> <midfavila1> if I can make a decent cup of joe with nothing but paper towels and elastic bands then mister barista can totally do the same
2021-03-08T01:37:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> I make my own coffe now that I have a home bruv
2021-03-08T01:37:43 #kisslinux <midfavila1> covfefe
2021-03-08T01:37:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> black coffee all day
2021-03-08T01:37:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> covfefe is bae
2021-03-08T01:37:58 #kisslinux * midfavila1 cringes
2021-03-08T01:38:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> :P
2021-03-08T01:38:17 #kisslinux <midfavila1> tea is better anyway
2021-03-08T01:38:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> welcome to hell, buttercup
2021-03-08T01:38:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> NO. N O
2021-03-08T01:38:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> it ain't
2021-03-08T01:38:29 #kisslinux <midfavila1> don't mis-spiecies me
2021-03-08T01:38:33 #kisslinux <midfavila1> species*
2021-03-08T01:38:35 #kisslinux <midfavila1> that's very offensive
2021-03-08T01:38:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> spicies
2021-03-08T01:38:38 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> cringe is the least word you could use
2021-03-08T01:38:56 #kisslinux <midfavila1> also yes tea is objectively superior
2021-03-08T01:39:01 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah tea is good but water is better
2021-03-08T01:39:07 #kisslinux <midfavila1> water is for normies
2021-03-08T01:39:11 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and poor people
2021-03-08T01:39:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> > objective
2021-03-08T01:39:13 #kisslinux <midfavila1> of which I am only one
2021-03-08T01:39:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> kekw
2021-03-08T01:39:20 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Water is for chads like Luke Smith
2021-03-08T01:39:27 #kisslinux <midfavila1> luke smith is hardly chad
2021-03-08T01:39:38 #kisslinux <midfavila1> he has some based takes that I agree with but overall idk
2021-03-08T01:39:41 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Nah he truly is Vim Diesel
2021-03-08T01:39:46 #kisslinux <midfavila1> one cannot simply attain the status of chad
2021-03-08T01:39:53 #kisslinux <midfavila1> rather, it is an ideal for us all to strive towards
2021-03-08T01:40:04 #kisslinux <midfavila1> embody the spirit of chad in our actions
2021-03-08T01:40:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> luke smith is the most normie chad a boomer could imagine
2021-03-08T01:40:39 #kisslinux <midfavila1> most normies would just call him a conspiracy theorist and go back to watching teevee funnees
2021-03-08T01:40:52 #kisslinux <midfavila1> "what's a 'sed', anon?"
2021-03-08T01:41:08 #kisslinux <midfavila1> "Vim? I use that to clean my sink... why is this man writing with it?"
2021-03-08T01:41:27 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Cuz he's based and non-based person would mostly skip him
2021-03-08T01:41:58 #kisslinux <midfavila1> idk man
2021-03-08T01:42:11 #kisslinux <midfavila1> the SECOND I sit down at my desk
2021-03-08T01:42:15 #kisslinux <midfavila1> some jerk calls me
2021-03-08T01:42:21 #kisslinux <midfavila1> now I have to actually GET BACK UP
2021-03-08T01:42:25 #kisslinux <midfavila1> the absolute nerve
2021-03-08T01:42:39 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Cut the cord and be free
2021-03-08T01:43:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> just delete your phone
2021-03-08T01:43:59 #kisslinux <midfavila1> if the government can't stalk me that's a problem for them
2021-03-08T01:44:05 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and as a result eventually it will be a problem for me
2021-03-08T01:44:39 #kisslinux * nxghtmvrx cuts the cord and frees from matrix
2021-03-08T01:45:15 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> doby is free
2021-03-08T01:46:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> harry potter? in MY obscure IRC channel?
2021-03-08T01:46:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's more likely than you think
2021-03-08T01:49:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> believe it or not, jail
2021-03-08T01:49:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> ?
2021-03-08T01:50:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> goodbye, cruel world
2021-03-08T01:50:53 #kisslinux <necromansy> rip in pieces
2021-03-08T01:50:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> rip me
2021-03-08T01:54:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> man I need to finish adding automatic UI scaling to the shelf in my FVWM config...
2021-03-08T01:54:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> everything *except* the spacing between the buttons and the monitoring bars scales
2021-03-08T02:11:21 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi
2021-03-08T02:11:25 #kisslinux <kiedtl> hai
2021-03-08T02:18:31 #kisslinux <acheam> I think I am going to be forking kiss into what I am tentatively calling "Bliss Linux" AKA Bloated KISS Linux. the idea is that it takes the edge off of managing the OS internals, but still gives you packaging freedom. glibc, systemd-init, journald, and boot. Not sure whether i'd be messing with the packaging system at all, although if I were to, it would just be combining all the metadata into
2021-03-08T02:18:33 #kisslinux <acheam> a single file
2021-03-08T02:18:36 #kisslinux <acheam> heya testuser_[m]
2021-03-08T02:19:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> so you're just repacking the tarball and making a new base repo, or..?
2021-03-08T02:19:38 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah pretty much
2021-03-08T02:19:44 #kisslinux <acheam> also probably an install script
2021-03-08T02:19:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> fair
2021-03-08T02:19:59 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> kissD already exists
2021-03-08T02:20:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah but this sounds like a normie friendly KISS
2021-03-08T02:20:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> as opposed to something we don't talk about
2021-03-08T02:20:47 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://github.com/fanboimsft/kissD
2021-03-08T02:21:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've been considering writing a superset of KISS
2021-03-08T02:21:15 #kisslinux <acheam> testuser_[m]: i'd probably poach some build scripts from kissd
2021-03-08T02:21:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> as in compatible with existing packages but with extended features for QoL
2021-03-08T02:21:34 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: normie friendly, except i'm the normie
2021-03-08T02:21:41 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> yeah you should probably fix them up though, like some install in /sbin instead of /usr which causes problems with kiss
2021-03-08T02:21:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> normie detected
2021-03-08T02:21:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> termination initiated
2021-03-08T02:21:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh god
2021-03-08T02:22:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> programs that go in /sbin make me want to commit die
2021-03-08T02:22:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> "the package thing has conflict errors, please contact the maintainer of this project"
2021-03-08T02:22:38 #kisslinux <necromansy> lawd /sbin is a bane
2021-03-08T02:23:04 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> talking about /sbin
2021-03-08T02:23:09 #kisslinux <necromansy> just what linux needed, another install loc with more symlinks
2021-03-08T02:23:31 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> glibc needs you to specify the same configure options again in a "configparams" file else it'll install it's garbage into /sbin
2021-03-08T02:23:34 #kisslinux * testuser_[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/rcSkEaUfyRlvSehnipspsqxc/message.txt >
2021-03-08T02:23:36 #kisslinux <acheam> mfw when zoom symlinks itself to /sbin
2021-03-08T02:23:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> once you actually understand the unix filesystem hierarchy it makes *sense*
2021-03-08T02:23:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's mostly a series of revisions and patches
2021-03-08T02:24:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> for example /usr once served the purpose of home
2021-03-08T02:24:02 #kisslinux <necromansy> i mean it makes sense
2021-03-08T02:24:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> and back in ye olden times, people actually used opt
2021-03-08T02:24:18 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: its not my fault the usrs were programmers okay
2021-03-08T02:24:20 #kisslinux <necromansy> but considering there's like 3 different binary install locations
2021-03-08T02:24:25 #kisslinux <necromansy> and no enforced standard
2021-03-08T02:24:31 #kisslinux <necromansy> and symlinks abound
2021-03-08T02:24:31 #kisslinux <acheam> Hey, I still use /opt on non-kiss systems
2021-03-08T02:24:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's actually seven
2021-03-08T02:24:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> afaik /opt, /bin, /sbin, /usr/bin, /usr/sbin, /usr/local/bin, /usr/local/sbin
2021-03-08T02:25:09 #kisslinux <necromansy> i didnt think opt was for binaries?
2021-03-08T02:25:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> it is
2021-03-08T02:25:16 #kisslinux <necromansy> ffs
2021-03-08T02:25:19 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> no
2021-03-08T02:25:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> opt is for extremely large and optional software packages
2021-03-08T02:25:24 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> it's for optional stuff
2021-03-08T02:25:26 #kisslinux <necromansy> its not supposed to be
2021-03-08T02:25:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> opt is indeed for binaries
2021-03-08T02:25:32 #kisslinux <necromansy> ree
2021-03-08T02:25:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> see blfs' kde instructions
2021-03-08T02:25:40 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> go is by default installed into /opt/go
2021-03-08T02:25:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> libreoffice, virtualbox, etc install themselves to opt
2021-03-08T02:25:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> f
2021-03-08T02:25:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> acheam: let me know how it goes :v
2021-03-08T02:26:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> of course, I don't use those
2021-03-08T02:26:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> because any program that demands special treatment needs to be burned
2021-03-08T02:26:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> my system is a dictatorship goddamnit
2021-03-08T02:26:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> and your configure scripts *will* conform
2021-03-08T02:26:31 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> but in sabotage, /opt is where packages go. /bin/busybox -> /opt/busybox/bin/busybox
2021-03-08T02:26:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> the king of your castle
2021-03-08T02:26:35 #kisslinux <necromansy> honestly if i start again with KISS ill try to make sure everything sticks to the proper hiearchy
2021-03-08T02:26:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> ew what
2021-03-08T02:26:39 #kisslinux <necromansy> but i cannot be arsed
2021-03-08T02:26:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> the thing is
2021-03-08T02:26:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> there isn't actually a proper hierarchy
2021-03-08T02:26:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's the FHS but like
2021-03-08T02:27:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's about as relevant as LSB
2021-03-08T02:27:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> or SUS
2021-03-08T02:27:06 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah
2021-03-08T02:27:08 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: i'll still be around here :)
2021-03-08T02:27:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> i think POSIX has a standard filesystem..?
2021-03-08T02:27:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe?
2021-03-08T02:27:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> probably
2021-03-08T02:27:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> ofc
2021-03-08T02:27:35 #kisslinux <necromansy> this is where we should be taking lessons from stuff like plan9
2021-03-08T02:27:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> i think collapsing /usr/{lib,bin} into / is the right idea
2021-03-08T02:27:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> there was a fork of linux called glendix
2021-03-08T02:27:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> /usr need not exist imo
2021-03-08T02:27:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> intended to basically fuse linux and plan9
2021-03-08T02:28:02 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> the proper hierarchy is ln -sfn . usr ; ln -sfn bin sbin
2021-03-08T02:28:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> and /usr doesn't *really* need to be there, you're right
2021-03-08T02:28:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's vestigial
2021-03-08T02:28:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> muevoid: was making a fork of KISS with a different / iirc
2021-03-08T02:28:21 #kisslinux <necromansy> now that /home exists
2021-03-08T02:29:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly if I had my way I'd strip the hierarchy to the bare minimum and confine each branch from the root to its own partition
2021-03-08T02:29:23 #kisslinux <acheam> why its own partition?
2021-03-08T02:29:27 #kisslinux <acheam> thats so limiting
2021-03-08T02:29:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean, I can resize partitions
2021-03-08T02:29:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> but ignoring that
2021-03-08T02:29:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's because I can optimize at the filesystem level
2021-03-08T02:29:58 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> dilyn: it's abandoned now
2021-03-08T02:30:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> so if it's a section that has lots of small R/W it can use a filesystem that specializes in that
2021-03-08T02:30:18 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> zomg speed
2021-03-08T02:30:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> if it has a few continuous R/W then it can have something for that
2021-03-08T02:30:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> etc
2021-03-08T02:30:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean 'abandoned' doesn't mean too much in this case
2021-03-08T02:30:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> you could pick it up at any point probably
2021-03-08T02:30:35 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> well yeah
2021-03-08T02:30:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> >zomg
2021-03-08T02:30:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> what is this, 2005
2021-03-08T02:30:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> if you can get all of core/* in the right directories it's workable
2021-03-08T02:30:45 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> kek
2021-03-08T02:30:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> ZOMG woot!1!! XD
2021-03-08T02:31:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> s/woot/w00t/
2021-03-08T02:31:03 #kisslinux <kissbot> <midfavila> ZOMG w00t!1!! XD
2021-03-08T02:31:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> 1337
2021-03-08T02:31:19 #kisslinux <necromansy> h4x0r5
2021-03-08T02:31:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> v37y e11t3
2021-03-08T02:31:35 #kisslinux <necromansy> r4wr x3
2021-03-08T02:31:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> eugh
2021-03-08T02:31:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> c: uwu kawaii
2021-03-08T02:32:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck I'm having gaia online flashbacks
2021-03-08T02:32:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...so glad I never used that site outside of raids...
2021-03-08T02:32:18 #kisslinux * midfavila shudders
2021-03-08T02:32:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> as cringe as it was I miss the old 'net
2021-03-08T02:33:16 #kisslinux <necromansy> arent you a post 911 kid?
2021-03-08T02:33:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, but I meant like early to mid '00s
2021-03-08T02:33:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> obviously I wasn't around for the 90s
2021-03-08T02:34:11 #kisslinux <acheam> wow look at this kid boasting about the good old days about the internet from before they were even alive. Only us old-ones truly understand
2021-03-08T02:34:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> stfu that's not what I meant and you know it >.>
2021-03-08T02:34:54 #kisslinux <necromansy> mid's having his "dae 90's kids" but as a zoomer moment
2021-03-08T02:35:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> my entire life is a "only XX kids will understand" moment
2021-03-08T02:35:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> legitimately can't stand modern anything
2021-03-08T02:35:54 #kisslinux <necromansy> s/midfavila/kidfavila
2021-03-08T02:36:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> >:V
2021-03-08T02:36:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm old enough to drink. Barely, but still
2021-03-08T02:39:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://ytprivate.com/watch?v=EVDDboh8iMc
2021-03-08T02:39:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> the vocals in this first track are amazing
2021-03-08T02:41:35 #kisslinux <necromansy> >432hz bs
2021-03-08T02:41:36 #kisslinux <necromansy> ugh
2021-03-08T02:41:41 #kisslinux <necromansy> good stuff tho
2021-03-08T02:42:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> tbf it has noticably higher quality than what I'm used to listening to
2021-03-08T02:42:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> but that's because I'm used to listening to twenty year old 96khz rips that probably originate from either newgrounds or limewire
2021-03-08T02:42:24 #kisslinux <necromansy> oh nah the 432hz is tuning not audio quality
2021-03-08T02:42:33 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-03-08T02:42:34 #kisslinux <necromansy> afaik?
2021-03-08T02:42:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> I know basically nothing about audio
2021-03-08T02:43:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> aside from like, the physics of it. but in terms of how the human body perceives it and stuff
2021-03-08T02:43:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> i just like the pretty-noise
2021-03-08T02:43:48 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah afaik this is some "tuned to this frequency ~~resonantes~~ with the energy of the body" stuff
2021-03-08T02:43:50 #kisslinux <necromansy> its uhhh
2021-03-08T02:43:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> cringe
2021-03-08T02:43:57 #kisslinux <necromansy> pseudo-science hippy dippy shit
2021-03-08T02:44:01 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah
2021-03-08T02:44:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> i just like synthwave
2021-03-08T02:45:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> Sometimes I'll just close my eyes and visualize scenes from old cyberpunk novels while I listen
2021-03-08T02:47:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> That reminds me, I gotta get around to reading the rest of the Sprawl series...
2021-03-08T03:06:53 #kisslinux <E5ten> I read that a couple years ago, but like each book I read months apart
2021-03-08T03:07:10 #kisslinux <E5ten> took me forever to get around to mona lisa overdrive
2021-03-08T03:07:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> I don't think they're strictly linear
2021-03-08T03:07:21 #kisslinux <E5ten> they're not
2021-03-08T03:07:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> one thing they definitely are is confusing
2021-03-08T03:07:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> or... maybe overwhelming is the right word
2021-03-08T03:07:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> the first book throws a lot in your face very very fast
2021-03-08T03:08:04 #kisslinux <E5ten> yeah for sure
2021-03-08T03:08:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> are the rest like that?
2021-03-08T03:09:06 #kisslinux <E5ten> uhhh I'm sure, like you've definitely got a bit more of an understanding of the world in the others, so it's a bit less much
2021-03-08T03:09:13 #kisslinux <E5ten> I'm not sure*
2021-03-08T03:09:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> cool
2021-03-08T03:09:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> actually, now that I'm thinking about it, SICP has the same writing style lmao
2021-03-08T03:09:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> in that both just hit the ground running and don't stop
2021-03-08T03:09:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> ever
2021-03-08T03:09:58 #kisslinux <E5ten> neuromancer's been my favourite book since I read it lol
2021-03-08T03:10:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> i wish more books were written like that
2021-03-08T03:10:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> neuromancer is so fucking good
2021-03-08T03:10:06 #kisslinux <E5ten> I read it in one night
2021-03-08T03:10:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> although I think it confused my english teacher
2021-03-08T03:10:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> i wrote a book report on it for my english final
2021-03-08T03:10:28 #kisslinux <E5ten> lol
2021-03-08T03:10:34 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-03-08T03:11:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yeah it's well-written and, imho, the perfect length for a novel
2021-03-08T03:11:23 #kisslinux <E5ten> yeah you're right it is a great length
2021-03-08T03:11:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> around 250-300 pages iirc
2021-03-08T03:11:49 #kisslinux <E5ten> yeah sounds about right
2021-03-08T03:11:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least, my totally legit PDF copy was
2021-03-08T03:12:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> back when a blackberry playbook was my primary computing device
2021-03-08T03:12:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> used to read everything on that
2021-03-08T03:12:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> amazing tool
2021-03-08T03:12:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's a shame that BBOS 10 is proprietary
2021-03-08T03:13:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> having a little seven-inch tablet/netbook running an open-source QNX-based OS would be amaaaaaaaaaaaaaazing
2021-03-08T03:13:56 #kisslinux <E5ten> my friend bought my neuromancer copy for me because they knew I was planning on getting it, but I was getting my wisdom teeth taken out so they stopped by my house while I was getting that done and left it
2021-03-08T03:14:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> I remember getting my wisdom teeth removed
2021-03-08T03:14:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> All four at once
2021-03-08T03:14:32 #kisslinux <E5ten> same
2021-03-08T03:14:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> was stuck on narcotics for like a week
2021-03-08T03:14:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> it was... weird
2021-03-08T03:14:55 #kisslinux <E5ten> one of mine was pushing another tooth to the point that it was literally sideways
2021-03-08T03:15:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> Oof.
2021-03-08T03:15:25 #kisslinux <necromansy> i think mine are causing chronic sinusitus
2021-03-08T03:15:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> Mine were removed before they finished growing in
2021-03-08T03:15:36 #kisslinux <necromansy> but ive had dental surgeons look at it and suggest they dont need to come out
2021-03-08T03:15:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> Just In Case:tm:
2021-03-08T03:15:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> i wonder if dentists have necklaces made of wisdom teeth
2021-03-08T03:15:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> as like, a badge of honor
2021-03-08T03:16:11 #kisslinux <E5ten> do dentists take them out?
2021-03-08T03:16:19 #kisslinux <E5ten> isn't it like a surgery?
2021-03-08T03:16:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean
2021-03-08T03:16:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> i can't feel mine any more
2021-03-08T03:16:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> so I'm assuming they get removed
2021-03-08T03:16:47 #kisslinux <E5ten> no I meant like, is it dentists who remove them
2021-03-08T03:16:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh
2021-03-08T03:16:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2021-03-08T03:16:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least, mine did
2021-03-08T03:16:58 #kisslinux <necromansy> depends on the severity here
2021-03-08T03:17:11 #kisslinux <necromansy> if mine are to come out, i think itd be done by surgeons
2021-03-08T03:17:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> conked me out with gas and did the thing
2021-03-08T03:17:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> then I did my best impression of stephen hawking for the next week
2021-03-08T03:17:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> never before have I been so glad for TTS
2021-03-08T03:18:21 #kisslinux <E5ten> mine were done by surgeons
2021-03-08T03:18:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> huh
2021-03-08T03:20:38 #kisslinux <necromansy> oop i am hearing some gnarly thunder
2021-03-08T03:20:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> aesthetic my dude
2021-03-08T03:20:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> unplug your PC
2021-03-08T03:21:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> turn off the game, Raiden
2021-03-08T03:21:34 #kisslinux <necromansy> ive got surge protection luckily
2021-03-08T03:21:41 #kisslinux <necromansy> but yeah imma get ready to unplug :P
2021-03-08T03:21:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> I don't usually need to worry 'cuz I've got all my equipment on UPSes
2021-03-08T03:22:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> got a great deal on them a year or so ago
2021-03-08T03:30:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> an orthodontic surgeon would usually do the removing, I imagine...
2021-03-08T03:31:00 #kisslinux <necromansy> yes
2021-03-08T03:31:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> I had two my back-left two molars taken out of my mouth, and my wisdom teeth haven't really errupted yet. but the back left one is pushing the last molar i got left back there SIDEWAYS
2021-03-08T03:32:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> the other ones are fine, but the back left of my mouth is so fucked smh
2021-03-08T03:32:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> back/bottom
2021-03-08T03:32:30 #kisslinux <travankor> my bottom wisdom teeth were completely sideways 0.o
2021-03-08T03:32:36 #kisslinux <acheam> ouch
2021-03-08T03:32:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> damn you evolution
2021-03-08T03:32:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> this is a common problem frfr
2021-03-08T03:32:50 #kisslinux <necromansy> im pre sure the top ones of mine are pushing against my molars
2021-03-08T03:33:01 #kisslinux <necromansy> and are still plugging the sinus cavity
2021-03-08T03:33:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> gah
2021-03-08T03:33:35 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah, like i said above, im pre sure ive got chronic sinusits because of it
2021-03-08T03:33:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's a shame these surgeries are so expensive, and basically all dental insurance only covers 50% of major surgeries >=|
2021-03-08T03:34:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> >mfw had mine removed and the military paid for it through my parents
2021-03-08T03:34:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> americans no lucky
2021-03-08T03:34:00 #kisslinux <necromansy> its the same here, i need top tier private health insurance to cover it
2021-03-08T03:34:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> that freedom sure does suck doesn't it
2021-03-08T03:34:24 #kisslinux <travankor> midfavila in the military?
2021-03-08T03:34:25 #kisslinux <necromansy> our public healthcare doesnt cover dental surgery
2021-03-08T03:34:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> military wont' take me because of tattoos :v
2021-03-08T03:34:27 #kisslinux <necromansy> :<
2021-03-08T03:34:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> mfw that was the plan
2021-03-08T03:34:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> military won't take me either lmao
2021-03-08T03:34:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> but my parents got a deal on family insurance through the army
2021-03-08T03:34:46 #kisslinux <acheam> testuser_[m]: why do you submodule the main repo in gkiss?
2021-03-08T03:34:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> and at the time I was still legally their child
2021-03-08T03:34:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> ergo I get free healthcare
2021-03-08T03:35:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> "free"
2021-03-08T03:35:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> military op
2021-03-08T03:35:17 #kisslinux <travankor> damn lucky
2021-03-08T03:35:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean, joining the military is unironically not the worst thing you could do
2021-03-08T03:35:27 #kisslinux <acheam> versus just requiring people to place the gkiss repo in front of the main one in KISS_PATH
2021-03-08T03:35:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> you get money, food, housing, education
2021-03-08T03:35:33 #kisslinux <E5ten> it's a pretty terrible thing to do
2021-03-08T03:35:34 #kisslinux <necromansy> why do you think people do in the US kek
2021-03-08T03:35:42 #kisslinux <travankor> ^
2021-03-08T03:35:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't get me wrong if you can do something better with yourself do that
2021-03-08T03:36:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> getting shot at all day isn't my idea of fun
2021-03-08T03:36:04 #kisslinux <E5ten> I mean I understand doing it if you need the money etc. but if it can be avoided, it absolutely should be
2021-03-08T03:36:13 #kisslinux <necromansy> i agree
2021-03-08T03:36:16 #kisslinux <necromansy> fuck imperialism
2021-03-08T03:36:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> but if you're in a tight spot then the military is a good way to get yourself out of that
2021-03-08T03:36:23 #kisslinux <E5ten> I don't mean cuz it's dangerous to you, I mean because of what necromansy just said
2021-03-08T03:36:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least if you have four years to burn
2021-03-08T03:36:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> never
2021-03-08T03:36:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> homeless for three years never considered joining the military
2021-03-08T03:36:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> fuck that noise
2021-03-08T03:36:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> muh 'perialism isn't gonna stop even if all the militaries of the world disappear
2021-03-08T03:37:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> you'd be surprised
2021-03-08T03:37:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd sooner blame corps and corrupt governments. the military is only one tool to an end
2021-03-08T03:37:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't blame the tools, blame the wielder
2021-03-08T03:37:55 #kisslinux <E5ten> lol what? if the military is a tool they use for imperialism, obviously joining the military aids imperialism
2021-03-08T03:38:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> even if it does, not by much.
2021-03-08T03:38:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> i think corporations cause more shit than the military honestly.
2021-03-08T03:39:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> but maybe I'm biased because I grew up on base.
2021-03-08T03:39:08 #kisslinux <travankor> does her Her Majesty's Royal Canuckistani Armed Forces count as muh imperialism?
2021-03-08T03:39:17 #kisslinux <E5ten> it's all linked lol, corporations often make their money from the military
2021-03-08T03:39:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe. don't know, don't care. i think militaries should only be deployed overseas in response to direct foreign military action
2021-03-08T03:39:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> basically, only for self-defense.
2021-03-08T03:40:03 #kisslinux <E5ten> if you're going overseas, it's not self defense
2021-03-08T03:40:08 #kisslinux <travankor> ^^
2021-03-08T03:40:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't care what country looked at america's freedoms the wrong way, it's none of canada's business
2021-03-08T03:40:13 #kisslinux <travankor> THIS
2021-03-08T03:40:32 #kisslinux <E5ten> it's none of america's business either
2021-03-08T03:40:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> if the middle east wants to bomb itself into oblivion, don't care. still not our business
2021-03-08T03:40:42 #kisslinux <E5ten> bruh are you joking?
2021-03-08T03:40:44 #kisslinux <E5ten> bomb itself?
2021-03-08T03:40:48 #kisslinux <E5ten> what the fuck
2021-03-08T03:41:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> any country+any adjective works
2021-03-08T03:41:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> verb
2021-03-08T03:41:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck
2021-03-08T03:41:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> I can't english
2021-03-08T03:41:23 #kisslinux <E5ten> the US and the western world as a whole has been bombing and fucking with the middle east forever
2021-03-08T03:41:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> definitely which is why we should stop
2021-03-08T03:41:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> because it's not our business what they're doing
2021-03-08T03:41:44 #kisslinux <travankor> but m-muh chemical weapons?!?
2021-03-08T03:42:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> their government should be the ones enforcing laws protecting human rights.
2021-03-08T03:42:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> not america, not canada, not any other country.
2021-03-08T03:42:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...not like we do a good job of that anyway
2021-03-08T03:42:30 #kisslinux <kiedtl> what about cases e.g. serbia?
2021-03-08T03:42:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> see if the UN didn't fucking suck
2021-03-08T03:42:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> and could coordinate itself out of a paper bag
2021-03-08T03:42:52 #kisslinux <kiedtl> where the government was literally setting up rape camps for captured cibilians
2021-03-08T03:42:56 #kisslinux <kiedtl> s/b/v/
2021-03-08T03:42:57 #kisslinux <kissbot> <kiedtl> where the government was literally setting up rape camps for captured civilians
2021-03-08T03:43:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> then having the militaries of the world go in and collectively say "hey stop that" and smack them around a bit would be great
2021-03-08T03:43:16 #kisslinux <E5ten> yeah but it's not just the fault of the UN here, the problem is that the entire world is basically at the will of the US
2021-03-08T03:43:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> unfortunately, the UN is about as threatening as a declawed kitten
2021-03-08T03:43:29 #kisslinux <E5ten> the US can literally just blow everything in existence up
2021-03-08T03:43:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> the US is also a problem because they cause most of this shit
2021-03-08T03:43:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean so could russia
2021-03-08T03:43:42 #kisslinux <kiedtl> and china, really
2021-03-08T03:43:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> but military might isn't the problem here
2021-03-08T03:43:42 #kisslinux <E5ten> only in response
2021-03-08T03:43:49 #kisslinux <E5ten> it totally is
2021-03-08T03:43:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> it totally isn't
2021-03-08T03:44:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> and i'm not willing to talk about that with you.
2021-03-08T03:44:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> sorry.
2021-03-08T03:44:01 #kisslinux <E5ten> it is "a" problem here
2021-03-08T03:44:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> the problem is how people are acting.
2021-03-08T03:44:30 #kisslinux <E5ten> I don't know in what way you mean, but flat out, no
2021-03-08T03:44:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> then we disagree and clearly we're not going to get anywhere with this conversation.
2021-03-08T03:45:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> regardless, abolishing all militaries isn't practical. the whole thing is a mexican standoff
2021-03-08T03:46:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> humans suck
2021-03-08T03:46:14 #kisslinux <kiedtl> this
2021-03-08T03:46:22 #kisslinux <kiedtl> fuck humans
2021-03-08T03:46:30 #kisslinux * travankor nukes self
2021-03-08T03:46:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> the best we can do at this point is try to contain each individual nation's suckiness
2021-03-08T03:46:52 #kisslinux <travankor> isn't that how WWI started?
2021-03-08T03:46:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> no
2021-03-08T03:47:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> WWI started because of stupid alliances
2021-03-08T03:47:07 #kisslinux <travankor> with balance of powers autism
2021-03-08T03:47:21 #kisslinux <kiedtl> entangling alliances, as washington called it
2021-03-08T03:47:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> one sec there's a relevant video clip I need to find
2021-03-08T03:48:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://ytprivate.com/watch?v=xuCn8ux2gbs
2021-03-08T03:48:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> 16:25
2021-03-08T03:48:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh wait fuck maybe that wasn't the right clip
2021-03-08T03:48:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> i could have sworn it was in this
2021-03-08T03:50:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay found it for real
2021-03-08T03:50:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://ytprivate.com/watch?v=Mh5LY4Mz15o
2021-03-08T03:50:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> 6:20
2021-03-08T03:51:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> explains the clusterfuck that lead to WWI pretty succinctly
2021-03-08T03:52:19 #kisslinux <travankor> i'm kind of skeptical of these "history of the world in 10 minutes" type vidoes
2021-03-08T03:52:33 #kisslinux <travankor> s/vidoes/videos/
2021-03-08T03:52:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean you can go check out a textbook if you want
2021-03-08T03:52:34 #kisslinux <kissbot> <travankor> i'm kind of skeptical of these "history of the world in 10 minutes" type videos
2021-03-08T03:53:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> there was a group called the black hand that assasinated a duke named franz ferdinand and as a result a small war started that quickly spiralled into a very, very, very big war
2021-03-08T03:53:44 #kisslinux <kiedtl> "as a result" Germany was doing its best to push Austria into a war
2021-03-08T03:53:54 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Thing is, these nations *wanted* to fight
2021-03-08T03:53:59 #kisslinux <travankor> The Congress of Vienna which set up the "stupid alliances" was directly meant to contain France from pulling another Napoleon
2021-03-08T03:54:18 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Alliances weren't so much of an issue imho
2021-03-08T03:54:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> cool don't really care
2021-03-08T03:54:42 #kisslinux <kiedtl> the problem is that germany wanted to flex its muscles
2021-03-08T03:54:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm sure
2021-03-08T03:55:00 #kisslinux <travankor> kiedtl: Prussianism
2021-03-08T03:55:04 #kisslinux <kiedtl> and the alliances that were created previously helped to create the war
2021-03-08T03:55:05 #kisslinux <kiedtl> yeah
2021-03-08T03:55:18 #kisslinux <kiedtl> but the alliances weren't bad in itself
2021-03-08T03:55:27 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I mean, look at italy
2021-03-08T03:55:42 #kisslinux <kiedtl> they had an alliance with germany, but they refused to fight an offensive war
2021-03-08T04:02:35 #kisslinux <travankor> interesting, italy actually had a secret agreement with france
2021-03-08T04:03:33 #kisslinux <travankor> to remain neutral if germany went to war with france
2021-03-08T04:03:47 #kisslinux <kiedtl> huh, I wasn't aware of that
2021-03-08T06:24:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> god, it's 2:30 in the morning
2021-03-08T06:24:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> i need to sleep
2021-03-08T06:24:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> see you guys tomorrow
2021-03-08T08:20:19 #kisslinux <dgre> lol
2021-03-08T08:51:12 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> hi dilyn . Congratulations for the poll!!
2021-03-08T08:52:56 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi eudaldgr
2021-03-08T08:53:05 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> hi!!
2021-03-08T08:53:24 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> are you still working on pantheon on KISS ?
2021-03-08T08:54:05 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> It's been a long time, since the last time I used KISS, since there is no maintainer
2021-03-08T08:54:36 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> well dilyn is the maintainer now :p
2021-03-08T08:54:42 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> Maybe I plan to move to kiss-community again
2021-03-08T08:54:58 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> have you pushed your build files anywhere for pantheon deps ?
2021-03-08T08:55:08 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> yes
2021-03-08T08:55:16 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> it's in a private repo on github
2021-03-08T08:55:19 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> all time long
2021-03-08T08:55:33 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> oh
2021-03-08T08:55:54 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> If you want I can make it public
2021-03-08T08:56:08 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> that would be great!
2021-03-08T08:56:09 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> but it's so rudimentary
2021-03-08T08:56:16 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Please do it public
2021-03-08T08:56:28 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I'd love to see progress
2021-03-08T08:57:24 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> no problem in it being incomplete
2021-03-08T08:59:31 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> https://github.com/eudaldgr/elementaKISS
2021-03-08T09:00:06 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> thanks!
2021-03-08T09:01:51 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> If you want to fork it or make a PR it would be welcome, I would want to continue the work on this front
2021-03-08T09:04:35 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> yeah I'll play around with it
2021-03-08T09:09:44 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> Everyone, where is the poll made?
2021-03-08T09:10:21 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> it was on a nextcloud instance
2021-03-08T09:10:29 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> check git log for `update` file in community
2021-03-08T09:10:39 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> should be a link few revisions back
2021-03-08T09:11:47 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> thanks!
2021-03-08T09:13:31 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> WOW, someone vote for me
2021-03-08T09:13:52 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> and i'm out for so long XD
2021-03-08T09:18:23 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> No one knows what happened to Dylan?
2021-03-08T09:18:27 #kisslinux <necromansy> nope
2021-03-08T09:19:14 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> wow
2021-03-08T09:19:33 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> he might've dropped tech altogether
2021-03-08T09:19:36 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> or kidnapped by gnome devs
2021-03-08T09:20:13 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> the second one seems reasonable
2021-03-08T10:22:37 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Anyone tried web torrent stuff like webclient/webtor? https://weboas.is/torrent/
2021-03-08T11:21:59 #kisslinux <claudia_> dilyn: the homepage link on reddit still points to k1ss.net.
2021-03-08T13:39:32 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> how big of a boot partition does extlinux need/want?
2021-03-08T14:04:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> eudaldgr: thank you!
2021-03-08T14:04:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> claudia: I knew I was forgetting one...
2021-03-08T14:18:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> ominous_anonymou I normally go with 30mb, but I also make fully-loaded kernels for my systems
2021-03-08T14:18:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> 30mb should be plenty for a kernel or two, a config, and if you need any extra modules
2021-03-08T14:19:14 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> thanks! finally gonna install kiss to actual hardware instead of a VM, so i was trying to get my ducks in a line
2021-03-08T14:19:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> column or row?
2021-03-08T14:20:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> although tbh installing KISS is pretty easy
2021-03-08T14:20:34 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> row gang
2021-03-08T14:20:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> good man
2021-03-08T14:20:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, looks like my school is being targetted by a phishing attack
2021-03-08T14:21:24 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> well i'm not that great with disk partition, boot setups, and such. i saw the mentions of extlinux earlier and wanted to try it
2021-03-08T14:21:36 #kisslinux * midfavila nods
2021-03-08T14:21:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> I've only ever used MBR myself
2021-03-08T14:21:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> I want to try GPT since it has basically unlimited partitions
2021-03-08T14:22:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> whereas MBR can only support four main partitions
2021-03-08T14:22:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> gotta love those logical partitions...
2021-03-08T14:22:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> you could always use a hybrid setup if you don't like efi :v
2021-03-08T14:23:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> and can't use efi
2021-03-08T14:23:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's what I'm considering
2021-03-08T14:23:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't get me wrong all my stuff supports efi
2021-03-08T14:23:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's just bullshit
2021-03-08T14:23:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> so I don't use it
2021-03-08T14:23:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-08T14:23:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> seriously!
2021-03-08T14:23:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> I hate that the standard for the partition is FAT
2021-03-08T14:23:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> like, why
2021-03-08T14:23:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> just invent $newfilesystem like everyone else
2021-03-08T14:23:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> established and simple standard?
2021-03-08T14:23:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> idk
2021-03-08T14:24:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yeah isn't the main advantage of EFI that it supports larger disks or something?
2021-03-08T14:24:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> in theory it could allow for OS-independent drivers, too, at least on itanium... not sure about x86
2021-03-08T14:24:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> and ofc muh secure boot
2021-03-08T14:28:48 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> so all of that you just said.. i just can't keep it straight for some reason. i chose gpt and marked the partition as boot and legacy_boot... is that enough? should i have just stuck with ms-dos partition table type?
2021-03-08T14:29:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> you gotta chuck the boot sector code into your boot partition
2021-03-08T14:29:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> at the bare minimum that's ldlinux.c32
2021-03-08T14:29:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I believe there's a file you have to dd
2021-03-08T14:29:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I can't quite recall which at the moment
2021-03-08T14:30:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> tl;dr it's not enough
2021-03-08T14:30:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> manpages and the net should be able to help finding the stuff you need
2021-03-08T14:30:45 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> ok i'll try and come crawling back if i fail :)
2021-03-08T14:30:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> glhf
2021-03-08T14:33:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> UEFI is interesting because it lets you treat basically anything you want as an executable that you can exec directly from the firmware itself
2021-03-08T14:33:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> which, say, lets the kernel boot itself
2021-03-08T14:33:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> also gpt supports huge disks which is always +++
2021-03-08T14:37:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> I dunno. I'll be honest, short of BIOS just... not seeing large disks, I don't see that offering much benefit
2021-03-08T14:38:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> But I've never used a disk larger than one terabyte so... maybe the grass is greener than I think. Meh
2021-03-08T14:38:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-08T14:39:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> I think it just fundamentally allows greater flexibility for users, and is... maybe easier to grok than MBR/BIOS
2021-03-08T14:39:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe
2021-03-08T14:40:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's similar to wayland tho. it's been 'going to be the new standard' for almost fifteen years, and yet here we are
2021-03-08T14:40:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> I imagine half the people here still use MBR/BIOS
2021-03-08T14:40:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> i think the reason that that happens is because it just doesn't offer enough of a tangible benefit to displace what's already here
2021-03-08T14:40:59 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> hey i'm trying to change!
2021-03-08T14:41:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> see plan 9 and unix for example
2021-03-08T14:42:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> like sure being able to launch straight into DOOM from UEFI is cool and all, but... who cares?
2021-03-08T14:42:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe that functionality could be used for more accurate benchmarks?
2021-03-08T14:42:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> this is interesting https://uefi.org/sites/default/files/resources/A_Tale_of_Two_Standards_0.pdf
2021-03-08T14:42:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> idk.
2021-03-08T14:42:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> Eugh, PDF...
2021-03-08T14:42:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-08T14:42:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> suck it, links
2021-03-08T14:43:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> Netsurf, actually
2021-03-08T14:43:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> chromium master race
2021-03-08T14:43:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> but none of my browsers have jsPDF
2021-03-08T14:43:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> because it's bloatware garbage
2021-03-08T14:43:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> PDF in general isn't great
2021-03-08T14:43:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> and to top it all off, poppler doesn't even render fonts correctly
2021-03-08T14:44:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> the kerning comes out totally fucked
2021-03-08T14:44:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> f
2021-03-08T14:44:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> my job requires me to use PDFs almost exclusively, along with Windows
2021-03-08T14:44:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd quit
2021-03-08T14:44:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> ngl
2021-03-08T14:44:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> most of my work is browser based too which makes it even more funny
2021-03-08T14:44:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> some of my work requires me to use IE 7...
2021-03-08T14:44:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> but others, chrome
2021-03-08T14:45:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm seriously dreading when I have to get a job placement for school
2021-03-08T14:45:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> i've had IT people get mad at me for using Edge instead of Chrome and I'm like... they're the same fam
2021-03-08T14:45:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I'M IT AND YOU'RE NOT!"
2021-03-08T14:45:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> I will fight a Level 1 Tech
2021-03-08T14:45:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can't just use edgium
2021-03-08T14:45:55 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> at my work the only "supported" browser is chrome
2021-03-08T14:45:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's against Corporate Policy
2021-03-08T14:46:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> nobody is allowed to deviate from it
2021-03-08T14:46:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> for any reason
2021-03-08T14:46:27 #kisslinux <acheam> My school's policy is that if you're not using Chrome or MacOS you're on your own
2021-03-08T14:46:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> :sick:
2021-03-08T14:46:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> mankind is unkind, man
2021-03-08T14:47:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> my school gave me a chromebook for school and then promptly used a bunch of shit that chromeos doesn't support
2021-03-08T14:47:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> like there's this proprietary program that the school leases PDFs of our textbooks from
2021-03-08T14:47:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> I connected my alma mater's email to my phone and didn't get any emails to that address for over a year. turns out, when you do that it generates a small file on their server that blocks emails
2021-03-08T14:47:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> and we have to use that to access them
2021-03-08T14:47:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> IT was mad that I did not know this.
2021-03-08T14:47:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...
2021-03-08T14:48:00 #kisslinux * midfavila takes a deep breath
2021-03-08T14:48:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...Why.
2021-03-08T14:48:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> in their defense, it was mentioned *checks notes* once, in a technical type support document not linked to on their seven 'how to do what you're doing' pages
2021-03-08T14:48:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> That's not valid.
2021-03-08T14:48:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> They just shouldn't do it.
2021-03-08T14:48:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> It's bullshit.
2021-03-08T14:48:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> one would think!
2021-03-08T14:49:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> Why would you prevent your users from accessing their email in the way they prefer?
2021-03-08T14:49:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> You get literally nothing out of it
2021-03-08T14:49:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> aside from the ability to like, idk
2021-03-08T14:49:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> except an angry email from me :v
2021-03-08T14:49:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> enforce a theme on your web client
2021-03-08T14:49:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's all upside, basically
2021-03-08T14:50:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> I will *never* enforce a policy that has no real-world benefit
2021-03-08T14:50:14 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> a lot of these decisions are made for the "lowest common denominator" i.e. they have to plan for what the stupidest user would do
2021-03-08T14:50:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> I fucking *refuse* to make the life of my users harder, and my own life
2021-03-08T14:50:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> You know what we do with the lowest common denominator? We fire them.
2021-03-08T14:50:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> XD fucking no we don't
2021-03-08T14:51:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> Don't punish everyone else just because Jimmy from HR can't set up email properly
2021-03-08T14:51:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> if ONLY WE DID THO
2021-03-08T14:51:12 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> lol i mean i'm not arguing that it sucks to have to comply with, believe me! but you can't expect like... a random HR person to know the ins and outs of everything
2021-03-08T14:51:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is world of forms stuff
2021-03-08T14:51:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> use that big philosophy brain
2021-03-08T14:51:31 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> ayyy lmao Jimmy's on both our minds
2021-03-08T14:51:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol speaking of HR
2021-03-08T14:51:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> I asked my HR department what the legal agreements I have with my employer were, because I don't recall receiving a copy
2021-03-08T14:51:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> ominous_anonymou I'm not saying HR should be as... *sigh* """""qualified""""" with tech as IT
2021-03-08T14:52:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> what I'm saying is, don't screw over your proficient users because of imcompetent users
2021-03-08T14:52:20 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> well, right. exactly. that's not their job and they don't need it to do their job
2021-03-08T14:52:34 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> that's fair to say, sure
2021-03-08T14:52:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> they told me to ask my questions of a different department. So I investigated our internal documents, and saw this lovely line: legal will work with HR to ensure all employees sign an agreement attesting to the statements on this form" so I asked them for the docuemnt they obviously have
2021-03-08T14:52:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> haven't heard back...
2021-03-08T14:53:09 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> if left to their own devices though, the incompetent users are more "dangerous" than the competent ones
2021-03-08T14:53:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> reminds me of school. how we would get stuck on a single slide in a presentation for an hour because one student didn't understand, and as a result one lesson had to be stretched into two... then three... four... five...
2021-03-08T14:53:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> the point is, people don't know anything. nobody knows anything, we're all dumb idiots flying through a rock in space
2021-03-08T14:53:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> ominous_anonymou and at that point those users are either told to stop being idiots, or they get fired
2021-03-08T14:54:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> also wow that's a mood dilyn
2021-03-08T14:54:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> we're all dumb, we invent most of our problems because... idk we're bored? and it's all terrible because of it :v
2021-03-08T14:54:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> tl;dr blame reddit
2021-03-08T14:54:17 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> in an ideal world, sure. in one where there's 50k employees that would get fired...
2021-03-08T14:54:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> fire 50k employees then
2021-03-08T14:54:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> idc
2021-03-08T14:54:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> literally learn to use a computer
2021-03-08T14:54:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> you spend all day in front of one anyway, the least you should do is actually understand the basics of it
2021-03-08T14:54:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> 2big2ask
2021-03-08T14:55:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> facebook machine go brrrrr
2021-03-08T14:55:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's like people driving automatic cars
2021-03-08T14:55:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> automatic is *literally* a crutch for people who can't handle manual
2021-03-08T14:55:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> and if you can't handle manual then you shouldn't be driving
2021-03-08T14:55:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> "but think of all the people who wouldn't be able to drive" - good
2021-03-08T14:56:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> spicy take
2021-03-08T14:56:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> design cities to not require cars. upgrade public transit so it's not dogshit. stop charging people four dollars a ride.
2021-03-08T14:56:28 #kisslinux <acheam> thats a tough combo
2021-03-08T14:56:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> the amount of money you would likely save in not having to deal with tens of thousands or even millions of incompetent drivers would outweight the cost
2021-03-08T14:56:39 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i used to think that about manual transmissions, but i don't agree any more. my wife has some nerve damage in her left foot that causes a lot of pain to work the clutch, i can't fault her for driving an automatic
2021-03-08T14:56:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> fucking fight me
2021-03-08T14:56:43 #kisslinux <acheam> better public transit == higher fare, lower fare == worse public transit
2021-03-08T14:56:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> acheam taxes smh
2021-03-08T14:57:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> subsidies my dude
2021-03-08T14:57:08 #kisslinux <acheam> spoken like a true canadian
2021-03-08T14:57:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> the government literally invented money it doesn't have to pay attention to it :v
2021-03-08T14:57:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> and if you have actual physical damage to your body that prevents you from using a manual, that's fine
2021-03-08T14:57:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> god this channel is so weird
2021-03-08T14:57:48 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm lucky i'm in a more socialized area of the country, but other public transit systems get close to no subsidies
2021-03-08T14:57:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't fault someone with a proverbial broken leg from using a crutch
2021-03-08T14:57:51 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol dilyn
2021-03-08T14:57:53 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> lmao dilyn
2021-03-08T14:57:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> 'uefi sucks. also, more busses'
2021-03-08T14:58:00 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lolol
2021-03-08T14:58:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> all the busses
2021-03-08T14:58:04 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> except D-Bus
2021-03-08T14:58:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> PCI, PCIe, ISA, S-100
2021-03-08T14:58:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yeah no dbus
2021-03-08T14:58:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> omf
2021-03-08T14:58:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is an i2c channel now
2021-03-08T14:58:29 #kisslinux <kiedtl> i2c?
2021-03-08T14:58:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> i drive the IPC bus
2021-03-08T14:58:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> embedded serial communications protocol
2021-03-08T14:58:40 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> is that the short bus?
2021-03-08T14:58:42 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ah
2021-03-08T14:58:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> i2c is the short bus
2021-03-08T14:58:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao
2021-03-08T14:58:53 #kisslinux * kiedtl off
2021-03-08T14:59:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> my motherboard is weird and has a few i2c onboard
2021-03-08T14:59:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> not sure what to do with them yet
2021-03-08T14:59:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe wire up a little LCD and use it for notifications
2021-03-08T14:59:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> just disable i2c
2021-03-08T14:59:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> who needs it
2021-03-08T15:00:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> mfw you can't disable i2c
2021-03-08T15:00:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> #memeinalism
2021-03-08T15:00:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yeah it's used in smartphones a lot
2021-03-08T15:00:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> for display and camera usually
2021-03-08T15:00:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> you can disable i2c
2021-03-08T15:01:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's literally config_i2c=y/n in the kernel
2021-03-08T15:01:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> delete your i2c bro
2021-03-08T15:01:08 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice, finally figured out this chromium build error after days will send PR soon TM
2021-03-08T15:01:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh well in that case yeah it's disabled
2021-03-08T15:01:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> for now
2021-03-08T15:01:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh what was it!
2021-03-08T15:01:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> I've been following the ungoogled pr
2021-03-08T15:01:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> "oh boy I can't wait to consoom content after this pr!"
2021-03-08T15:01:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> omnomnom
2021-03-08T15:01:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> 88 -> 89 look at all the features lads
2021-03-08T15:02:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> i can finally watch my anime with hardware decode in the browser
2021-03-08T15:02:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> wao
2021-03-08T15:02:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> kawaii
2021-03-08T15:02:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> Chrome-kun
2021-03-08T15:02:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh mid-san
2021-03-08T15:02:41 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> somehow an `#if` got messed up due to me basically doing `for patch in patch; do patch -p1 < "$patch"` and redirect new updated patch to old file
2021-03-08T15:02:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> i will never notice you, dilyn
2021-03-08T15:02:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> qq
2021-03-08T15:03:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's funny
2021-03-08T15:04:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm thinking of just reading through SICP without doing the exercises at first...
2021-03-08T15:04:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> a lot of it assumes prior knowledge
2021-03-08T15:04:37 #kisslinux * testuser_[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/rgZsAlsJRPjZPEHxJurEtfAg/message.txt >
2021-03-08T15:04:59 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> which messed up the header includes
2021-03-08T15:05:04 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> actually i think i messed this up by hand
2021-03-08T15:05:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> what a busted up broken #if
2021-03-08T15:05:10 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> when patch failed
2021-03-08T15:05:15 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> bruh
2021-03-08T15:05:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> the worst thing about patches is fuzzing them on updates s2g
2021-03-08T15:06:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> the source in qt5-webengine will bounce back and forth between certain #if's every other release, so I have to switch one word every update :|
2021-03-08T15:06:22 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/j6d4zv/what_are_you_doing_to_improve_security_on_your/g7zi69m so which fbvnc do you guys think he uses? because every one i've tried has been terrible
2021-03-08T15:06:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> I think they do this shit on purpose
2021-03-08T15:07:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> mfw not running qubes smh
2021-03-08T15:08:42 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/jjh1rt/weekly_questions_and_hardware_thread_october_28/gajaxbz/ ooo he passes audio too
2021-03-08T15:09:41 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> oh never mind its local sigh
2021-03-08T15:09:43 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> wait it wasnt ME messing up the patch
2021-03-08T15:09:47 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> it was GNU patch this whole time
2021-03-08T15:09:53 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> didnt even complain
2021-03-08T15:10:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> gnu patch strikes again
2021-03-08T15:11:22 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> no wait it was actually me , my dumbass applied the patch rn from new branch
2021-03-08T15:11:26 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> lol
2021-03-08T15:12:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm getting whiplash
2021-03-08T15:13:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> gotta jerk you around a bit
2021-03-08T15:13:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> helps keep you on your toes
2021-03-08T15:43:06 #kisslinux <betimsl> hi, just installed kiss on a laptop with tiger lake. With the modesetting driver i'm getting a lot of screen tearing, very unpleasant. I tried to compile
2021-03-08T15:44:05 #kisslinux <betimsl> ...xf86-video-intel, but it wont let me use it, failing with an error: sna_option_accel_blt:18146 assertion sna->kgem.gen < 0120 failed
2021-03-08T15:44:53 #kisslinux <acheam> welcome to kiss! I have no idea how to help you, but its good to have you here!
2021-03-08T15:45:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> shouldn't you just be using mesa though?
2021-03-08T15:45:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> also, new release when? now https://github.com/kiss-community/repo-main/releases/tag/2021.3-1
2021-03-08T15:45:52 #kisslinux <acheam> yay!
2021-03-08T15:46:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> just need to slightly update the install guide doc :v
2021-03-08T15:46:24 #kisslinux <betimsl> whee! cheers for the new update :)
2021-03-08T15:46:27 #kisslinux <acheam> maybe the make script could automatically get the latest version from GH?
2021-03-08T15:46:32 #kisslinux <betimsl> dilyn, mesa is modesetting driver right?
2021-03-08T15:46:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> mesa is everything
2021-03-08T15:46:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> xf86-video-intel is `deprecated`
2021-03-08T15:47:29 #kisslinux <betimsl> i read that, but as far as I see here: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-intel -- development is going strong :)
2021-03-08T15:47:58 #kisslinux <betimsl> with intel driver, UXA works but it is terrible, and this SNA thing just crashes with the error above
2021-03-08T15:48:14 #kisslinux <betimsl> I don't mind which driver I use as long as there is no screen tearing :)
2021-03-08T15:50:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> according to this, xf86-video-intel doesn't suport tiger lake https://linuxreviews.org/Intel_graphics
2021-03-08T15:51:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> mesa should be sufficient for all your glamour/uxa/sna/gls/egl/glx needs
2021-03-08T15:51:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> plus vulkan :o
2021-03-08T15:53:06 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: linux headers 5.11 when?
2021-03-08T15:53:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> nevar
2021-03-08T15:53:27 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> next LTS
2021-03-08T15:53:29 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> soon
2021-03-08T15:53:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> i should probably upgrade my kernels
2021-03-08T15:53:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> workstation is using 5.9pf
2021-03-08T15:53:54 #kisslinux <acheam> thats fine honestly
2021-03-08T15:53:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> always LTS headers :v
2021-03-08T15:54:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> unless there's some very good reason to update them. then, maybe
2021-03-08T15:54:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> seeing these updates on this mirror fill me with so much glee wtf
2021-03-08T15:54:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm like a kid
2021-03-08T15:54:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> such is the magic of consooming
2021-03-08T16:02:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> and my public key finally arrived on a keyserver! woohoo
2021-03-08T16:09:39 #kisslinux <acheam> make sure to keep a revocation key
2021-03-08T16:10:16 #kisslinux <acheam> I still have an old one floating around in the keyservers unfortunately and theres nothing I can do about it without a revocation key
2021-03-08T16:24:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> i've got these keys everywhere xD three different partitions, six different chroots, two different hard drives, and my phone
2021-03-08T16:24:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> this key will never survive if it gets commandeered
2021-03-08T16:27:36 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-03-08T16:34:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> the new tarball is substantially bigger than the last one. /usr/lib/git-core grew by 16MB...
2021-03-08T16:34:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> why...
2021-03-08T16:35:52 #kisslinux <acheam> 2021.3-2 time?
2021-03-08T16:37:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-08T16:37:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah If I can figure out why these files in git-core exploded in size
2021-03-08T16:42:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> did dylan do a lot of extra stripping for these i wonder...
2021-03-08T16:42:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> 2020.9-2 tarball git was 3MB, but rebuilding and installing it results in 6MB
2021-03-08T16:43:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> OH, we dropped the git tiny patch. why...
2021-03-08T16:44:05 #kisslinux <acheam> what did that do?
2021-03-08T16:44:38 #kisslinux <acheam> besides making git tiny
2021-03-08T16:45:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> made it teeny, in addition to tiny
2021-03-08T16:45:10 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> midfavila or anyone do you have a package for extlinux?
2021-03-08T16:45:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> it switched from a vcssvn_lib to libgit
2021-03-08T16:45:18 #kisslinux <acheam> ah okay
2021-03-08T16:45:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> i have extlinux packaged yeah
2021-03-08T16:45:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://git.sdf.org/midfavila/kiss-mfavila
2021-03-08T16:45:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> should be under ports
2021-03-08T16:45:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah. syslinux installs extlinux and all that good stuff
2021-03-08T16:46:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> think I grabbed it from community or something? can't remember
2021-03-08T16:47:13 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> merci!
2021-03-08T16:47:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> mhm
2021-03-08T16:47:22 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Hello
2021-03-08T16:47:27 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Hallo
2021-03-08T16:47:28 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Ola
2021-03-08T16:47:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> bonjour
2021-03-08T16:47:41 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Can someone help with xorg?
2021-03-08T16:47:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> depends
2021-03-08T16:47:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> what's your problem
2021-03-08T16:47:58 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I think i have a big mess with my kiss install
2021-03-08T16:48:04 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Xorg no found screens
2021-03-08T16:48:12 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I already put the firmwares
2021-03-08T16:48:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, yeah. that can happen sometimes.
2021-03-08T16:48:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> ah, the patch was dropped because we started statically linking git. harumph
2021-03-08T16:48:19 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I used to do this in gentoo too
2021-03-08T16:48:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> you have to write a configuration file or use an autogenerated one
2021-03-08T16:48:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> X -configure should spit out a usable config
2021-03-08T16:49:17 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> So if my kiss in init have some errorors this is a problem?
2021-03-08T16:49:25 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Because i think is this
2021-03-08T16:50:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> errors from init shouldn't affect X's ability to locate physical screens
2021-03-08T16:50:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> depends on the error
2021-03-08T16:50:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> must be one hell of an error then
2021-03-08T16:50:26 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> One of the errors metion VGA
2021-03-08T16:50:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, that might be it then
2021-03-08T16:50:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-08T16:50:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> what does dmesg say?
2021-03-08T16:50:50 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Can one of you see? I post on reddit
2021-03-08T16:50:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> >reddit
2021-03-08T16:51:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-08T16:51:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> acpi errors are a problem with your motherboard, usually
2021-03-08T16:51:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> kernel devs mark them as wontfix and will tell you to yell at your manufacturer lmfao
2021-03-08T16:52:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> should be nonfatal though; you can disable acpi if you don't want the errors but that would... disable acpi
2021-03-08T16:52:58 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> How can i disable?
2021-03-08T16:53:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> you probably don't want to, but it would be CONFIG_ACPI, set to 'no'
2021-03-08T16:53:49 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Is this resolve my xorg or only the errors?
2021-03-08T16:53:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> try it and find out
2021-03-08T16:54:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> probably wont' fix xorg
2021-03-08T16:54:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> have you read this? https://k1sslinux.org/wiki/kernel/firmware#3.2
2021-03-08T16:54:12 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Yes my man
2021-03-08T16:54:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> hrm
2021-03-08T16:54:19 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I do this on gentoo
2021-03-08T16:54:43 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I read the amdgpu article in gentoo and a used to only use firmwares
2021-03-08T16:55:04 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Is a normal situation to me
2021-03-08T16:55:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> amdgpu is hell for some godforsaken reason (see midfavila's problems here https://freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux/20201021#c5534201)
2021-03-08T16:56:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> if the issue is that xorg isn't finding any screens, it could be a couple things. first thought is that it just can't spin up the driver for your card
2021-03-08T16:56:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> have a xorg.log handy anywhere?
2021-03-08T16:56:27 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> One second
2021-03-08T16:56:40 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Kiss have wgetpaste?
2021-03-08T16:57:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> no, we just use pastebins
2021-03-08T16:57:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> 0x0 is also acceptable
2021-03-08T16:57:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> i use ix; cat $log | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2021-03-08T16:57:47 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I take a look and send the log link
2021-03-08T16:57:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> i should really write a wrapper script for uploading stuff to 0x0 actually
2021-03-08T16:58:10 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> But i see about udev in the post you send
2021-03-08T16:58:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> i just use an alias :v
2021-03-08T16:58:14 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I dont use it
2021-03-08T16:58:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> if you don't use udev you have to do something special iirc
2021-03-08T16:58:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> hmmm
2021-03-08T16:58:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> aliases work too. I need to use them more...
2021-03-08T16:59:05 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Udev is not required to run xorg right?
2021-03-08T16:59:19 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I only see depedencies for it in libinput
2021-03-08T16:59:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> it is not, afaik
2021-03-08T16:59:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's not a requirement
2021-03-08T16:59:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> i remember somewhere dylan said something about how to deal with amdgpu without udev
2021-03-08T16:59:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it makes life much easier
2021-03-08T16:59:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> pretty sure you just have to load amdgpu manually and manually change permissions...
2021-03-08T16:59:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> we must pore through the ancient papyrus scrolls kept within the depths of freenode
2021-03-08T16:59:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh
2021-03-08T16:59:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's for a different issue
2021-03-08T17:00:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's why I suggested you check permissions for the framebuffer and tty files the other day, dilyn
2021-03-08T17:00:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> modprobing it after boot results in malformed perms on said files
2021-03-08T17:01:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao
2021-03-08T17:01:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah i mean just peak at the logs https://freenode.logbot.info/?q=amdgpu&ch=kisslinux&w=a
2021-03-08T17:01:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's hell on earth
2021-03-08T17:01:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's not bad once you figure it out
2021-03-08T17:01:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> but until you *do*...
2021-03-08T17:01:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> blech
2021-03-08T17:01:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's one of those trial-and-error things
2021-03-08T17:02:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah. you can either bake it in, or use modprobe. if you use modprobe, you have to change the permissions because it'll load after eudev does its thing during init
2021-03-08T17:02:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> unsure what happens if you bake it in re: eudev
2021-03-08T17:02:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> baking it in is fine
2021-03-08T17:03:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> but you also have to bake in the firmware
2021-03-08T17:04:12 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Is ix package in kiss?
2021-03-08T17:04:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> mmhmm. can't do both
2021-03-08T17:04:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> no it's just a website
2021-03-08T17:04:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> ugh. five minutes into my college class and I already want to leave
2021-03-08T17:05:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> I will be much more help with these problems once I build this machine with an rx 5600xt smh
2021-03-08T17:05:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> >not using a WX card
2021-03-08T17:05:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> i went a whole year skipping my classes. best grades i ever got
2021-03-08T17:05:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't get me wrong I skip class all the time
2021-03-08T17:05:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> tests are ezpz
2021-03-08T17:05:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> problem is that the college has mandatory attendance
2021-03-08T17:05:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> :|
2021-03-08T17:06:04 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Hello again
2021-03-08T17:06:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> so I have to sit here and listen to the teacher talk about his totally sick simulation setup dawg
2021-03-08T17:06:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it's so cringe
2021-03-08T17:06:36 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Online classes?
2021-03-08T17:06:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> "yeah guys I played so much league and drank a bunch"
2021-03-08T17:06:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> as much as you can call this a class, yeah
2021-03-08T17:06:53 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> KKKKKK
2021-03-08T17:06:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it unironically makes me want to kms
2021-03-08T17:08:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> LMAO
2021-03-08T17:08:15 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> XSERVTransmkdir: ERROR: euid != 0,directory /tmp/.X11-unix will not be created
2021-03-08T17:08:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> I skipped the entire A+ segment and got 100% on professional performance marks
2021-03-08T17:08:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> amazing
2021-03-08T17:08:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> it wants to be root?
2021-03-08T17:09:04 #kisslinux <acheam> ^
2021-03-08T17:09:27 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Yeah but when i run root is the same no screen
2021-03-08T17:09:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> run X -configure
2021-03-08T17:09:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> :X
2021-03-08T17:10:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> is the sticky bit set on /usr/bin/Xorg? is your group in the video & input groups?
2021-03-08T17:10:12 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> <hellboy2d "XSERVTransmkdir: ERROR: euid != "> this is harmless
2021-03-08T17:10:13 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> oh
2021-03-08T17:10:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> if he's getting no screens found when running as root it's not a perm error
2021-03-08T17:11:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> would you not get a no screens error if you weren't in the video group?
2021-03-08T17:11:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> let me check real quick. I don't think so
2021-03-08T17:11:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> but every time I've gotten that error it's been because of a config error
2021-03-08T17:11:39 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Okay in input the error above resolves but no screens found
2021-03-08T17:11:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean a lot of things cause it, like literally not having a screen configured. but xorg normally finds screens just fine
2021-03-08T17:11:45 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> So my x config says
2021-03-08T17:12:24 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> xf86EnableIOPorts: failed to set IOPL
2021-03-08T17:12:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> I got a generic fatal server error
2021-03-08T17:12:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> Running as a clean test user, that is
2021-03-08T17:13:18 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Says function not implemented
2021-03-08T17:13:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> can I see 1) the whole Xorg log, 2) your .xinitrc, and 3) how you're launching X (assuming it's different than just `startx`)
2021-03-08T17:14:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...does startx even touch xinitrc?
2021-03-08T17:14:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> yes
2021-03-08T17:14:24 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> yeah
2021-03-08T17:14:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> learn something new every day I guess
2021-03-08T17:14:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's one of like four files it looks at >.<
2021-03-08T17:14:48 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> My xinitrc only use exec dwm
2021-03-08T17:14:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> startx is just a seleton script anyways. it shouldn't be used lmfao
2021-03-08T17:15:06 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> it just werks
2021-03-08T17:15:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> i just use xdm
2021-03-08T17:15:17 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-03-08T17:15:18 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I use startx only and added my user to video audio wheel and input
2021-03-08T17:15:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> hmm
2021-03-08T17:15:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah seeing the whole log might be helpful. everything else you've said is 'good enough'
2021-03-08T17:16:13 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> How can i send you my all xorg log file?
2021-03-08T17:16:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> well, seeing all of dmesg and the Xorg log, and if you're setting any kernel parameters at boot (like disabling KMS or something)
2021-03-08T17:16:54 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I pretty lost in this in gentoo i used only wgetpaste but in kiss i dont know what i use
2021-03-08T17:17:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> cat ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2021-03-08T17:17:08 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Okay thanks
2021-03-08T17:17:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> yah
2021-03-08T17:17:15 #kisslinux <acheam> ew unencrypted ix.io
2021-03-08T17:17:27 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> gotta secure those logs
2021-03-08T17:17:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh no someone might be able to intercept my Xorg log
2021-03-08T17:17:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> does it even use https
2021-03-08T17:17:40 #kisslinux <acheam> ixio doesnt
2021-03-08T17:17:55 #kisslinux <acheam> but 0x0, envs.sh, ttm.sh, all do
2021-03-08T17:17:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol they can insert 'dilyn eats rocks' into your logs ooohhh neeeoooooooooo
2021-03-08T17:18:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> okay WELL
2021-03-08T17:18:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> "ereps is next"
2021-03-08T17:18:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> if you're https fan boy, don't CONSULT ME
2021-03-08T17:18:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> >=|
2021-03-08T17:18:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> you heard the man
2021-03-08T17:18:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> if i found that in a log i would deadass delete my existence
2021-03-08T17:18:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> do not invoke his name if thou art a follower of the scourge known as hypertest transfer protocol secure
2021-03-08T17:19:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> s/hypertest/hypertext/
2021-03-08T17:19:06 #kisslinux <kissbot> <midfavila> do not invoke his name if thou art a follower of the scourge known as hypertext transfer protocol secure
2021-03-08T17:19:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> i tried
2021-03-08T17:19:07 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> http://ix.io/2Sad
2021-03-08T17:19:17 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> 2SaD*
2021-03-08T17:19:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> 2Sad > 2accurate
2021-03-08T17:19:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao
2021-03-08T17:20:04 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> ix.io/2s is an xorg log too
2021-03-08T17:20:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> hrng
2021-03-08T17:20:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> so xorg is fucking dumb and calls things the wrong name constantly
2021-03-08T17:20:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> what is the 'ati' graphics driver ACTUAlly
2021-03-08T17:20:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> xf86-video-ati
2021-03-08T17:20:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> probably
2021-03-08T17:20:55 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> So i need xf86-video-ati?
2021-03-08T17:20:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's what I would think, but i need to know lol
2021-03-08T17:20:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> GOD FUCKING DAMNIT
2021-03-08T17:21:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> mid what does your log say :P
2021-03-08T17:21:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT UEFI SECURE BOOT IS NOW
2021-03-08T17:21:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> I SWEAR TO GOD
2021-03-08T17:21:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
2021-03-08T17:21:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> i've jinxed u lad
2021-03-08T17:21:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh logs?
2021-03-08T17:21:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> xf86-video-amdgpu is the x vid driver I use
2021-03-08T17:21:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> but ati is a seperate module
2021-03-08T17:21:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> hrngg
2021-03-08T17:21:37 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Yep i use amdgpu
2021-03-08T17:22:00 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> But in gentoo i dont what but gentoo forced me to use ati videos because mesa radeonsi
2021-03-08T17:22:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh my god this teacher is so wrong
2021-03-08T17:22:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> about literally everything
2021-03-08T17:22:20 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice
2021-03-08T17:24:01 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> dilyn will you be writing This month in KISS ?
2021-03-08T17:24:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> probably :v
2021-03-08T17:24:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> thou must carry the flame of tradition, ereps
2021-03-08T17:24:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> ever onward, into the night
2021-03-08T17:24:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> 'this year in KISS'
2021-03-08T17:24:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> one line:
2021-03-08T17:24:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> don't talk to me
2021-03-08T17:24:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> EOF
2021-03-08T17:24:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> "this millenium"
2021-03-08T17:24:47 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Okay ati video makes works BUT
2021-03-08T17:25:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> nicenicenice, that's something
2021-03-08T17:25:03 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> It miss libinput and i dont want to use eudev
2021-03-08T17:25:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> using the correct video driver does usually work, yes
2021-03-08T17:25:15 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> install ludev-zero
2021-03-08T17:25:18 #kisslinux <acheam> libinput strikes again
2021-03-08T17:25:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-08T17:25:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> so you need libudev-zero or eudev for libinput; you either need mdev or eudev for video devices to work 'out of the box' with xorg, and if you go without either of those you have to manually write configs for all your input devices
2021-03-08T17:26:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> ngl I want to eventually get to a point where I don't use a device manager
2021-03-08T17:26:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> embrace the chad mknod lifestyle
2021-03-08T17:26:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> it is the way
2021-03-08T17:26:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> remember to manually set the IRQs on your ports
2021-03-08T17:26:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> we're going vintage
2021-03-08T17:26:46 #kisslinux <acheam> and then your friend asks you to pull some files off of a usb stick
2021-03-08T17:27:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> "one sec bro gotta write a config for your USB"
2021-03-08T17:27:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> just do what i do, and refuse
2021-03-08T17:27:25 #kisslinux <acheam> "so... why is linux better again?"
2021-03-08T17:27:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> 'sorry my computer doesn't have any usb ports'
2021-03-08T17:27:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> 'well what're those?' "hmm those? firewire"
2021-03-08T17:27:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> i hate it when normies act all smug when they btfo my obscure hipster distro
2021-03-08T17:28:14 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm always reminding people that the way I use linux is not the way that you'd be using linux if you switched
2021-03-08T17:28:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> linux is better because it LETS me be autistic about my computers
2021-03-08T17:28:17 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> So a little question about the desktop defaults
2021-03-08T17:28:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> answer
2021-03-08T17:28:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> there are none
2021-03-08T17:28:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> sowm or busttttt
2021-03-08T17:28:51 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Anyone recommends libudev-zero over eudev?
2021-03-08T17:29:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> fvwm is better, dilyn
2021-03-08T17:29:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> i think libudev-zero is overwhelmingly chosen over eudev
2021-03-08T17:29:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> one day you will repent
2021-03-08T17:30:13 #kisslinux <acheam> araps-os: KISS Linux with sowm preinstalled and both neofetch and pfetch in the shellrc
2021-03-08T17:30:16 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> And what for god sakes i need to use ati drivers if my gpu is amdgpu? Is this confusing me in gentoo and now too
2021-03-08T17:30:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> clearly if amdgpu doesn't work and ati does, your card is ati
2021-03-08T17:31:04 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Picasso is an ati driver?
2021-03-08T17:31:17 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Because i had two
2021-03-08T17:31:20 #kisslinux <acheam> picasso is an artist
2021-03-08T17:31:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> picasso is a pain-
2021-03-08T17:31:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> FUCK
2021-03-08T17:31:26 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> KKKKKKKK
2021-03-08T17:31:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> godDAMN you, acheam
2021-03-08T17:31:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> a hundred thousand blights upon you
2021-03-08T17:31:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao
2021-03-08T17:31:51 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> My laptop have rx 540 and vegas mobile
2021-03-08T17:31:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> afaik everyone with harder that isn't 7 years old should just be using mesa
2021-03-08T17:32:00 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> The vga is the vegas mobile
2021-03-08T17:32:08 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I think is this te problem
2021-03-08T17:32:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> you need mesa on top of the graphics driver
2021-03-08T17:32:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> well
2021-03-08T17:32:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> you don't *need* mesa
2021-03-08T17:32:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> but you need mesa
2021-03-08T17:32:48 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> :shock:
2021-03-08T17:33:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> mesa provides the graphics tho
2021-03-08T17:33:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> like, that's what it do
2021-03-08T17:33:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> it provides 3D graphics
2021-03-08T17:33:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> not 2d
2021-03-08T17:34:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> >> hardware that isn't 7 years old
2021-03-08T17:34:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> >> 2d graphics
2021-03-08T17:34:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> :2021-03-08T17:35:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> 2d graphics are mostly what you interact with...
2021-03-08T17:35:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> but whatever
2021-03-08T17:36:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> besides I'll have you know my matrox pilot is a very respectable GPU
2021-03-08T17:36:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> its 1mb of vRAM is all I need
2021-03-08T17:37:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> idgi
2021-03-08T17:37:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> i've been using mesa exclusively for like, two years
2021-03-08T17:39:20 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Here we go again
2021-03-08T17:39:45 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Dylin my little tech can you see my new xorg log?
2021-03-08T17:39:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> >my little tech
2021-03-08T17:39:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> :thinking:
2021-03-08T17:40:25 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> So is dylin the real name or some joke?
2021-03-08T17:40:29 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Much coincidencd
2021-03-08T17:40:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> dylin ereps is real bdfl sar
2021-03-08T17:40:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> no joke
2021-03-08T17:40:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> dilyn is my god given name
2021-03-08T17:40:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> srs
2021-03-08T17:41:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> 45 minutes into my class and we still haven't started today's work
2021-03-08T17:41:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> why do I bother
2021-03-08T17:42:21 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> http://ix.io/2SaH
2021-03-08T17:42:29 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Yeah man the online class sucks
2021-03-08T17:42:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> no, this is just the school
2021-03-08T17:42:49 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> O damn sucks much
2021-03-08T17:42:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least online class I don't have to actually do stuff
2021-03-08T17:42:59 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Yeah
2021-03-08T17:43:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> everyone's like "oh but muh social interaction"
2021-03-08T17:43:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> bitch
2021-03-08T17:43:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's called school because you go there to be schooled
2021-03-08T17:43:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> if it was for socializing it would be called a social
2021-03-08T17:43:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> "[ 2217.397] (II) Server terminated successfully (0). Closing log file." genius
2021-03-08T17:44:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> well so now we know it launches successfully and all the errors are either graphics drivers you don't care about (fbdev/vesa/etc) or input devices (mouse/keyboard)
2021-03-08T17:44:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> X wouldn't die without valid input
2021-03-08T17:44:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> so i'm assuming you aren't using eudev, you probably don't have the mdev service enabled? try real quick with it: `ln -sv /etc/sv/mdevd /var/service; sv up mdevd`
2021-03-08T17:44:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean sure
2021-03-08T17:45:05 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Oh suck i dont used mdev
2021-03-08T17:45:15 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Dont enbable
2021-03-08T17:45:20 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> What a genius
2021-03-08T17:45:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> enbable
2021-03-08T17:45:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> hm. mdev* not mdevd myb
2021-03-08T17:45:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> mdevd is a whole different pkg lol
2021-03-08T17:46:14 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Sorry
2021-03-08T17:46:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm assuming when you do `startx` the screen flashes black and then immediately returns to the TTY with no real errors or anything printed?
2021-03-08T17:47:15 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Yes
2021-03-08T17:47:20 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Only flashes
2021-03-08T17:48:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> does dwm require a valid config file exists in order to launch? I'm assuming you'd have one in the right location
2021-03-08T17:48:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> I've had problems with e.g. i3 and sway when I don't have an actual config and they just exit smh
2021-03-08T17:49:08 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> dwm doesn't have configs
2021-03-08T17:49:16 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> And the config.h?
2021-03-08T17:49:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh right
2021-03-08T17:49:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> muh suckless
2021-03-08T17:49:30 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> config.h won't be needed at runtime
2021-03-08T17:49:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> does it need a font installed to launch then? lmfao do you have a font installed hellboy2d
2021-03-08T17:49:44 #kisslinux <midfavila1> le suckless feelosophy
2021-03-08T17:49:51 #kisslinux <midfavila1> there are fonts built in to X
2021-03-08T17:50:00 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> no you need to install atleast one
2021-03-08T17:50:04 #kisslinux <midfavila1> no, you don't
2021-03-08T17:50:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> alright so uninstall your fonts, restart x and launch a terminal bud
2021-03-08T17:50:10 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> :shock:
2021-03-08T17:50:14 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I installed liberations like the wiki says
2021-03-08T17:50:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> gotcha
2021-03-08T17:50:21 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Okay
2021-03-08T17:50:25 #kisslinux <midfavila1> if you have no fonts installed X will use the internal misc-fixed bitmap
2021-03-08T17:51:04 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> it just fails to launch without extra fonts, Any special config needed?
2021-03-08T17:51:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> nothing remotely font-like in the xorg-server manifest
2021-03-08T17:51:12 #kisslinux <midfavila1> "windows credential protection prevents hackers from extracting windows passwords" -teacher dude
2021-03-08T17:51:18 #kisslinux <midfavila1> l0pht has something to say
2021-03-08T17:51:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> silly
2021-03-08T17:51:23 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and it's not in the manifest jfc
2021-03-08T17:51:27 #kisslinux <midfavila1> read the X manpages
2021-03-08T17:51:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> ew man
2021-03-08T17:51:39 #kisslinux <midfavila1> or use xfontsel
2021-03-08T17:51:42 #kisslinux <midfavila1> misc-fixed is intrinsic
2021-03-08T17:51:50 #kisslinux <midfavila1> they're called "virtual fonts"
2021-03-08T17:51:57 #kisslinux <midfavila1> because they don't actually exist as seperate files
2021-03-08T17:52:21 #kisslinux <midfavila1> who's silly NOW, mister BDFL? >.>
2021-03-08T17:52:22 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Works finally
2021-03-08T17:52:27 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Thanks a lot
2021-03-08T17:52:37 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> And sorry for busy you with this
2021-03-08T17:52:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> nice!
2021-03-08T17:52:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> you're not the first and certainly won't be the last
2021-03-08T17:53:00 #kisslinux <midfavila1> part of the reason this channel exists is to help people
2021-03-08T17:53:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> dawg xfontsel isn't a thing
2021-03-08T17:53:07 #kisslinux <midfavila1> ...yes it is?
2021-03-08T17:53:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> not seeing it in any manifest i've got
2021-03-08T17:53:23 #kisslinux <midfavila1> that's because it's a seperate package
2021-03-08T17:53:24 #kisslinux <midfavila1> 5hed
2021-03-08T17:53:36 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Okay a last error and i might be the udev
2021-03-08T17:53:41 #kisslinux <midfavila1> https://git.sdf.org/midfavila/ports/xfontsel
2021-03-08T17:53:51 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> The keyboard wont work is the udev prob
2021-03-08T17:53:53 #kisslinux <midfavila1> wait that doesn't display it
2021-03-08T17:53:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> well it ain't friggen packaged son
2021-03-08T17:53:54 #kisslinux <midfavila1> lame
2021-03-08T17:53:58 #kisslinux <midfavila1> yes it is
2021-03-08T17:53:59 #kisslinux <midfavila1> >:V
2021-03-08T17:54:06 #kisslinux <midfavila1> I package a ton of X utilities and tools
2021-03-08T17:54:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> i only care about repo and community
2021-03-08T17:54:18 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but nobody uses MY repos because I'm not COOL enough, I guess
2021-03-08T17:54:24 #kisslinux <midfavila1> fuckin waylets
2021-03-08T17:54:32 #kisslinux <midfavila1> smh
2021-03-08T17:54:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> that page requires a username and password why would i ever use your xaw
2021-03-08T17:54:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> keyboard doesn't work... hmm
2021-03-08T17:54:51 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> its the wrong link
2021-03-08T17:54:52 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i typed it out by hand, didn't realize gitea required passwords for that
2021-03-08T17:55:34 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://git.sdf.org/midfavila/kiss-mfavila/src/branch/master/ports/xfontsel
2021-03-08T17:55:38 #kisslinux <midfavila1> yeah, there.
2021-03-08T17:55:42 #kisslinux <midfavila1> gitea is weird sometimes
2021-03-08T17:56:03 #kisslinux <midfavila1> anyway point is, it's a thing that lets you view bitmap fonts
2021-03-08T17:56:14 #kisslinux <midfavila1> even if you haven't got any fonts installed you'll still be able to see misc-fixed
2021-03-08T18:26:35 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> well i got extlinux installed i think, but i'm seeing a MISSING OS when rebooting. probably fucked something up with my partitions :/
2021-03-08T18:28:31 #kisslinux <midfavila1> that sounds more like something BIOS would spit out
2021-03-08T18:28:40 #kisslinux <midfavila1> did you make sure your boot partition was marked bootable?
2021-03-08T18:29:44 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> its showing as GPT but i can't get it marked bootable
2021-03-08T18:29:53 #kisslinux <midfavila1> oh, eesh, GPT
2021-03-08T18:30:00 #kisslinux <midfavila1> I've never used GPT so...
2021-03-08T18:31:06 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> yeah i'm kicking myself for doing that
2021-03-08T18:32:00 #kisslinux <midfavila1> GPT is a lot more flexible, but imho unless you need it MBR is easier to use
2021-03-08T18:32:07 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> ayyy ok i got it. i had to mark legacy_boot, which is hidden under the advanced options in fdisk
2021-03-08T18:32:14 #kisslinux <midfavila1> v cool
2021-03-08T18:32:30 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and you made sure to inject the bootloader code?
2021-03-08T18:33:52 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> yep, i had to get the right one of those too (gptmbr.bin)
2021-03-08T18:33:59 #kisslinux * midfavila1 nods
2021-03-08T18:34:02 #kisslinux <midfavila1> gj
2021-03-08T18:34:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> the best reason to use gpt is if you want to use disks too large for mbr or want more than 4 'primary' partitions. otherwise, just use mbr
2021-03-08T18:34:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> unless you have efi, in which case you gotta use gpt
2021-03-08T18:34:27 #kisslinux <midfavila1> which is why UEFI is for cringe millenials
2021-03-08T18:34:41 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and MBR is for based {z,b}oomers
2021-03-08T18:34:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> why did it skip a generation :(
2021-03-08T18:35:07 #kisslinux <midfavila1> because everyone knows that gen X can't use computers
2021-03-08T18:35:19 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I wonder would my system still boot from grub and see my extlinux since I have multiple drives with installed systems on them
2021-03-08T18:35:39 #kisslinux <midfavila1> unironically, every boomer I've met has been better with computers than most Xers, millenials and zoomers
2021-03-08T18:36:01 #kisslinux <midfavila1> not in the sense of "how do I find the google, timmy" but in the sense of "yeah I can program in FORTRAN proficiently, why?"
2021-03-08T18:36:22 #kisslinux <midfavila1> replace fortran with pascal/cobol/lisp and it still works
2021-03-08T18:37:02 #kisslinux <midfavila1> there was one dude at the radio club I used to be a part of that ran an S-100 machine using nothing but its front panel and hand-assembled code
2021-03-08T18:37:06 #kisslinux <midfavila1> which is just crazy
2021-03-08T18:37:11 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i still stumble on how to even tell whether i need efi or not
2021-03-08T18:37:19 #kisslinux <midfavila1> short answer: you don't
2021-03-08T18:37:22 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I would replace my heart with K&R book. So sad I can't
2021-03-08T18:37:27 #kisslinux <midfavila1> if you have to ask the question, the answer is no
2021-03-08T18:37:43 #kisslinux <midfavila1> uefi is like wayland
2021-03-08T18:37:46 #kisslinux <midfavila1> great in theory
2021-03-08T18:37:48 #kisslinux <midfavila1> shit in practice
2021-03-08T18:37:53 #kisslinux <midfavila1> nobody uses it
2021-03-08T18:38:01 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and after decades of development, it's still not ready
2021-03-08T18:38:02 #kisslinux <midfavila1> :^)
2021-03-08T18:38:15 #kisslinux * nxghtmvrx cries in wayland
2021-03-08T18:38:24 #kisslinux <midfavila1> deal with it, geek
2021-03-08T18:38:52 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> ok next step is wpa_supplicant woo
2021-03-08T18:38:58 #kisslinux <midfavila1> literally don't
2021-03-08T18:39:00 #kisslinux <midfavila1> use eiwd
2021-03-08T18:39:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> i've used efi exclusively since like 2011 :(
2021-03-08T18:39:20 #kisslinux <midfavila1> like I said
2021-03-08T18:39:22 #kisslinux <midfavila1> cringe millenial
2021-03-08T18:39:37 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> what is "not efi"? bios?
2021-03-08T18:39:41 #kisslinux <midfavila1> yes
2021-03-08T18:39:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> short answer of whether or not you need efi: if you are using a monstrosity of a board that is 'hybrid' with both efi and bios you're fucked. otherwise, if you can do `mount -t efivarfs efivarfs /sys/firmware/efi/efivars` and the folder has actual objects in it, you're using efi. otherwise, bios
2021-03-08T18:40:28 #kisslinux <midfavila1> >not just checking the system configuration after POST
2021-03-08T18:40:30 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> and then bios can have either MBR or GPT partition table on it?
2021-03-08T18:40:34 #kisslinux <midfavila1> yeah
2021-03-08T18:40:39 #kisslinux <midfavila1> BIOS doesn't really care
2021-03-08T18:40:43 #kisslinux <midfavila1> EFI is much pickier
2021-03-08T18:40:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> uefi requires gpt, while bios uses mbr. you can use gpt with bios, for benefits like larger disks and more partitions. but it's strongly recommended not to do this lmao
2021-03-08T18:41:04 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it's also strongly recommended to not write real programs in shellscript
2021-03-08T18:41:05 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> so i'm in that strongly-not-recommended party now lol
2021-03-08T18:41:07 #kisslinux <midfavila1> or compile from source
2021-03-08T18:41:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean if you don't know your system what i suggested is the best way to check xD
2021-03-08T18:41:21 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i feel like checking the system setup utility would be easier
2021-03-08T18:41:22 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but k
2021-03-08T18:41:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> if it works, ominous XD
2021-03-08T18:41:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean sure but I don't know every user's system
2021-03-08T18:41:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> my suggestion is universal, assuming the user booted with efi
2021-03-08T18:41:50 #kisslinux <midfavila1> my suggestion is universal, with no assumptions
2021-03-08T18:41:52 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Simpler way: just spam F2 or whatever the key for you and by the looks of it detect whether its efi or not
2021-03-08T18:42:03 #kisslinux <midfavila1> yeah that's what I'm suggesting
2021-03-08T18:42:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean, yes. enter your bios or efi implementation
2021-03-08T18:42:06 #kisslinux <midfavila1> system setup
2021-03-08T18:42:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> /shrug
2021-03-08T18:42:28 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I've never run into issues with bios and gpt.
2021-03-08T18:42:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> but like, if you don't know how, or physically can't access it (how do I do it on my macbook pro, for instance?) then it is useless
2021-03-08T18:42:44 #kisslinux <midfavila1> if you're using a macbook you're automatically irrelevant
2021-03-08T18:42:47 #kisslinux <midfavila1> facts.
2021-03-08T18:42:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-08T18:43:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean, that's ostensibly not the case :P
2021-03-08T18:43:10 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but it's the case in reality
2021-03-08T18:43:49 #kisslinux <midfavila1> Be should have replaced Apple
2021-03-08T18:43:53 #kisslinux <midfavila1> change my mind
2021-03-08T18:44:21 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i was running FreeBSD on my macbook pro until the battery died on me
2021-03-08T18:44:30 #kisslinux <midfavila1> >fBSD >mbp
2021-03-08T18:44:32 #kisslinux <midfavila1> checks out
2021-03-08T18:44:47 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> :)
2021-03-08T18:44:52 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i only associate with oBSD thinkpad users
2021-03-08T18:44:56 #kisslinux <midfavila1> the true chads
2021-03-08T18:45:04 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Talkind about shellscripts: use tcc to run kilo or something else without compiling. C script lol
2021-03-08T18:45:12 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i had void linux on my thinkpad t43 until _its_ battery also died
2021-03-08T18:45:19 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> 32-bit too
2021-03-08T18:45:31 #kisslinux <midfavila1> noooooooooooo you can't just use a 32-bit system!
2021-03-08T18:46:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> although I will admit that I do miss my A31p
2021-03-08T18:46:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> rocking tty-only slackware on a desktop replacement from the 2000s was pretty aesthetic ngl
2021-03-08T18:47:45 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> that thinkpad is my favorite of the machines i've had
2021-03-08T18:47:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> old thinkpads are pretty good
2021-03-08T18:48:01 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> yeah it was prior to lenovo
2021-03-08T18:48:07 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> 2005 lol
2021-03-08T18:48:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only lenovo thinkpad I would want would be the W701DS
2021-03-08T18:48:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> because it's a massive meme machine
2021-03-08T18:48:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> just... absolutely hilarious in its overkill
2021-03-08T18:49:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> like, it has a screen
2021-03-08T18:49:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> inside its screen
2021-03-08T18:49:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> and a built-in drawing tablet
2021-03-08T18:49:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> not a digitizer, but a full drawing tablet
2021-03-08T18:49:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> screens in touchpads are the future uwu
2021-03-08T18:49:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm sentencing you to death by firing squad
2021-03-08T18:50:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> i refuse to live in a world where every laptop looks like that stupid razer phone gimmick
2021-03-08T18:50:49 #kisslinux <betimsl> I have a T400s with a gentoo on it. Best keyboard ever :)
2021-03-08T18:51:13 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Nah touchscreen garbage is as bad as using mouse. Wouldn't put my hands away from keyboard
2021-03-08T18:51:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> ^
2021-03-08T18:51:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> Tablets and touchscreens are for media consumption, not work
2021-03-08T18:52:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/lenovo-thinkpad-w701ds
2021-03-08T18:52:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> look at this unit
2021-03-08T18:52:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> pure sex
2021-03-08T18:52:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> an absolute lad of a machine
2021-03-08T18:52:46 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Gets me all hot and bothered for sure
2021-03-08T18:53:30 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Cons: no DirectX 11. How's that a con?
2021-03-08T18:53:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> muh gaymes
2021-03-08T18:55:13 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> hm my wireless card isn't being seen
2021-03-08T18:55:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> check drivers, check firmware, ensure rfkill isn't on if your machine has killswitches
2021-03-08T18:56:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can tell that article above is dated because 30fps at 1366x768 is called "respectable"
2021-03-08T18:57:12 #kisslinux <betimsl> look at that power brick :D
2021-03-08T18:57:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh yeah the w701ds is crazy power-hungry for a laptop
2021-03-08T18:57:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> but for a quadro, i7, and two hi-res screens what do you expect
2021-03-08T18:58:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly, if I could attach a second screen to my laptop, I would
2021-03-08T18:58:36 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Secondary slide-out display. I wonder if there would be real use for it
2021-03-08T18:58:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> terminal
2021-03-08T18:58:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> email/IM
2021-03-08T18:58:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> webpages with reference material for something on the main screen
2021-03-08T18:59:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> as someone who uses three - soon to be four - monitors, you can never have "too much"
2021-03-08T19:00:12 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I don't think that having a secondary screen for me would do anything to boost productivity or something like that because you mostly look at one display and others just eat energy
2021-03-08T19:00:27 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Had two displays and that's why I don't do it that way
2021-03-08T19:00:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's fair
2021-03-08T19:00:46 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Hello again
2021-03-08T19:00:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> I tend to multitask a lot so being able to keep lots of stuff visible is amazing
2021-03-08T19:00:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> hello, 2d
2021-03-08T19:01:20 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Okay now xorg wont work the keyboard and mouse
2021-03-08T19:01:28 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I tried to install eudev
2021-03-08T19:01:33 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> But not works
2021-03-08T19:01:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> libinput
2021-03-08T19:01:44 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Installed too
2021-03-08T19:01:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> no idea then
2021-03-08T19:02:53 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> checked errors and stuff?
2021-03-08T19:03:32 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Thats the problem
2021-03-08T19:03:43 #kisslinux <betimsl> hellboy2d, sudo addgroup hellboy2d input
2021-03-08T19:04:58 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Xorg initiates but the xorg log in .local had nothing
2021-03-08T19:05:08 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> And my user already in input group
2021-03-08T19:06:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> can you add st & before exec dwm in your xinitrc
2021-03-08T19:06:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> or w/e terminal emulator you're using
2021-03-08T19:06:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> just to see if you can actually *type* things?
2021-03-08T19:06:45 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Okay
2021-03-08T19:07:31 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Yeah
2021-03-08T19:07:33 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Nothing
2021-03-08T19:07:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> wonderful
2021-03-08T19:07:56 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> St launch
2021-03-08T19:07:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> just to confirm, you are or you aren't using a device manager?
2021-03-08T19:08:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> a la a running eudev or mdev service
2021-03-08T19:08:13 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I install eudev
2021-03-08T19:08:20 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Put in the service
2021-03-08T19:09:35 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> So i not used mdev because i wont able to know the entries in the inputs
2021-03-08T19:09:58 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Setxkbmap wont work and xinput not work to because xorg is not loaded
2021-03-08T19:10:35 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> BUT
2021-03-08T19:10:50 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I get a idea an test now
2021-03-08T19:11:39 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Yeah wont work
2021-03-08T19:11:45 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I do reinstall all again
2021-03-08T19:12:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> `kiss-depends xorg-server` ?
2021-03-08T19:13:29 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> It suposed to appears libinput?
2021-03-08T19:14:05 #kisslinux <aarng> wasn't there something with having at least one font installed?
2021-03-08T19:14:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> you should see eudev and libinput in that list
2021-03-08T19:14:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> you don't *need* to install a font
2021-03-08T19:14:42 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Is nothing in that list
2021-03-08T19:14:47 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Wierd
2021-03-08T19:14:52 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I installed it
2021-03-08T19:14:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> rebuild it
2021-03-08T19:15:07 #kisslinux <aarng> there was something some time ago where people couldn't start X because they had 0 fonts
2021-03-08T19:15:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm calling BS
2021-03-08T19:15:21 #kisslinux <aarng> check logs
2021-03-08T19:15:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> iirc they could always start X just couldn't launch anything
2021-03-08T19:15:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> that sounds more accurate
2021-03-08T19:15:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah
2021-03-08T19:16:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> this is just an input problem
2021-03-08T19:16:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> if st launches he's gucci with fonts
2021-03-08T19:16:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> X doesn't crash, and older programs that use bitmaps will be fine
2021-03-08T19:16:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> but i believe gtk will render nothing but mojibake without ttfs
2021-03-08T19:16:54 #kisslinux <aarng> 20:07 hellboy2d St launch
2021-03-08T19:16:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> anyway, today in "bullshit that I have to put up with because my government is incompetent"
2021-03-08T19:17:00 #kisslinux <aarng> I guess that confirms it
2021-03-08T19:17:07 #kisslinux <aarng> but for me the problem wasn't clear
2021-03-08T19:17:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah
2021-03-08T19:17:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> he did say a while back he liberation or w/e as well haha
2021-03-08T19:17:18 #kisslinux <aarng> "X does not start"
2021-03-08T19:17:19 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Yeah is the input only
2021-03-08T19:17:25 #kisslinux <aarng> *shrugs*
2021-03-08T19:17:26 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> The font was a problem before
2021-03-08T19:17:31 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> But i installed one
2021-03-08T19:17:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> i lub xorg :v
2021-03-08T19:17:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> can't wait to rm -rf repo/xorg
2021-03-08T19:17:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> laptop battery was supposed to be delievered today, but was too large to fit in my storage locker, so they left a delivery notice. thing is, I need g'vt ID with my address on it. but I can't change my address because of bureaucratic fuckery. so I need to sign the delivery notice, give it to a friend, and have *them* pick it up instead
2021-03-08T19:18:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> :|
2021-03-08T19:18:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> giddy at the thought
2021-03-08T19:18:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> also
2021-03-08T19:18:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> X isn't bad
2021-03-08T19:18:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> just because you don't know how to use it
2021-03-08T19:18:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> X make me feel bad tho
2021-03-08T19:18:18 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> O love x
2021-03-08T19:18:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> oi i used xorg for fifteen years :P
2021-03-08T19:18:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> wow you're ancient
2021-03-08T19:18:37 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Is hard and broken sometimes but i love
2021-03-08T19:18:47 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Wayland is too bloated
2021-03-08T19:18:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> KISS was the easiest xorg setup I ever had tbh
2021-03-08T19:19:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> shockingly, when upstream isn't shoving shit on you, life is good
2021-03-08T19:19:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> > wayland bloated
2021-03-08T19:19:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> > mfw all my wayland stuff is < 10mb
2021-03-08T19:19:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> wayland
2021-03-08T19:19:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> more like
2021-03-08T19:19:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> gayland
2021-03-08T19:19:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> f
2021-03-08T19:19:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> cue airhorns
2021-03-08T19:19:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> but anon, i AM gay
2021-03-08T19:19:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, actually, they didn't just leave one notice
2021-03-08T19:20:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> they left three
2021-03-08T19:20:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> seems fucking legit
2021-03-08T19:21:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> god I'm so mad rn
2021-03-08T19:22:06 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> https://tube.connect.cafe/watch?v=P-_GWUw8LwM
2021-03-08T19:22:20 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Wayland is more lightweight to xorg?
2021-03-08T19:22:39 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I read about performance and X is about a little better
2021-03-08T19:22:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> look at this ancient meme content
2021-03-08T19:22:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> comparing X to Wayland is kind of like apples to oranegs
2021-03-08T19:22:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean xorg is probably more lightweight
2021-03-08T19:22:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> oranges*
2021-03-08T19:22:59 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I love FilthyFrank & co still
2021-03-08T19:23:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> i idled at 90MB usage on a xorg desktop
2021-03-08T19:23:10 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Best of the best and there won't be another one
2021-03-08T19:23:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> xorg on its own is 100% more lightweight than a wayland compostiro
2021-03-08T19:23:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> FUCK
2021-03-08T19:23:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> rn I idle with probably 200MB used...
2021-03-08T19:23:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> I can't spell today
2021-03-08T19:23:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> rendering a wallpaper takes 50MB, it's kinda gross
2021-03-08T19:23:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> gonna go smack my head against the wall
2021-03-08T19:23:44 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Yeah i hears about the joke 50mb wallpaper
2021-03-08T19:24:36 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Wayland is the new systemd
2021-03-08T19:24:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't compliment systemd
2021-03-08T19:25:06 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Lmao systemd
2021-03-08T19:25:13 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> That's cancerous to compare
2021-03-08T19:25:35 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> So return to my xorg server
2021-03-08T19:25:45 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I rebuild libinput and eudev
2021-03-08T19:25:57 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> And magically not happens
2021-03-08T19:26:19 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I think the reinstall is ther better
2021-03-08T19:26:20 #kisslinux * nxghtmvrx happy reinstall gentoo noises
2021-03-08T19:28:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> i don't think reinstalling is necessary
2021-03-08T19:28:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> reboot and see what happens first :v
2021-03-08T19:28:27 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I already do it kkkkkkkkk
2021-03-08T19:28:38 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I gonna crazy with this x install
2021-03-08T19:29:17 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Meh I was troubleshooting kernel for more than 3 days. Built 70+ kernels at that time. Not a big deal after all
2021-03-08T19:31:25 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I gonna rebuild xorg
2021-03-08T19:32:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> configuring displays on wayland is ez pz tho
2021-03-08T19:32:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> setting different wallpapers on two different screens? just one line in a config file ez
2021-03-08T19:33:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> new display? plug&play no configuring geometry settings ez clap
2021-03-08T19:33:52 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I do wayland one day
2021-03-08T19:33:58 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> After hearing that having wallpaper takes 50m I'm reconsidering to install xorg instead of wayland myself :p
2021-03-08T19:34:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> do it
2021-03-08T19:34:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> xorg is based
2021-03-08T19:34:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-08T19:34:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> install fvwm while you're at it
2021-03-08T19:34:23 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Nah dwm probably
2021-03-08T19:34:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> L a m e
2021-03-08T19:34:50 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I like but my mind says ALL SYSTEMS ONLY HAD TO TAKE 50MB RAM AND NOTHING MORE
2021-03-08T19:35:09 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> On the other hand I have plenty of memory. Why the hell I care about using 50m less so much? Unused ram is wasted ram
2021-03-08T19:35:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you go one bit above 50mb you vanish in a puff of logic
2021-03-08T19:35:12 #kisslinux <aarng> the solution is to not use a wallpaper
2021-03-08T19:35:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> ^
2021-03-08T19:35:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> real chads use xsetroot
2021-03-08T19:35:40 #kisslinux <aarng> black background ftw
2021-03-08T19:35:45 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I always use blackscreen instead of any wallpaper
2021-03-08T19:35:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> hrng
2021-03-08T19:35:54 #kisslinux <aarng> I never see the background anyway, everything's fullscreen
2021-03-08T19:35:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm more of a windows 95 blue kinda guy
2021-03-08T19:36:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> how can i flex my epeen and good taste without a wallpaper
2021-03-08T19:36:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> wallpapers are bloat
2021-03-08T19:36:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> but they're pretty bloat
2021-03-08T19:36:40 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Rebuild xorg works
2021-03-08T19:36:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> so it's okay
2021-03-08T19:36:50 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Gosh finally
2021-03-08T19:37:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> i can never not read gosh in CDI Link's voice
2021-03-08T19:37:32 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I think I'll be framebuffer caveman after all. So much less installed garbage
2021-03-08T19:37:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> hooray
2021-03-08T19:37:37 #kisslinux <aarng> I'm pretty anti rice
2021-03-08T19:37:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> welcome to the club hellboy2d
2021-03-08T19:37:45 #kisslinux <aarng> feels nice when you can use programs with minimal setup
2021-03-08T19:37:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> whoa hey no need to be so intolerant aarng
2021-03-08T19:37:56 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Anyone knows whats the differences about the firefoxes pakages?
2021-03-08T19:37:57 #kisslinux <aarng> :D
2021-03-08T19:38:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> they're all shit
2021-03-08T19:38:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> use nuegia browser
2021-03-08T19:38:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> or lynx
2021-03-08T19:38:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> or links
2021-03-08T19:38:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> ESR is extended support release, I think?
2021-03-08T19:38:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2021-03-08T19:38:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's basically just pegged to an older version, updates less frequently
2021-03-08T19:38:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> ESR is extended, quantum is nightly, bin is binary
2021-03-08T19:38:37 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Use text-only browser. You don't need much more
2021-03-08T19:38:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> firefox-bin is just a prebuilt binary if you don't want to waste time building rust and firefox
2021-03-08T19:38:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> and the "standard" package is cringe
2021-03-08T19:38:49 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I do surf one time
2021-03-08T19:38:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> but firefox is cringe in general
2021-03-08T19:38:56 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> But for college is shit
2021-03-08T19:38:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> did you guys see the logo for quantum?
2021-03-08T19:39:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's s fucking doge meme
2021-03-08T19:39:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh that reminds me, I need to add the firefox binary to the releases page. because I just happen to have one :S
2021-03-08T19:39:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah it's been that for a while hasn't it?
2021-03-08T19:39:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> i love it
2021-03-08T19:39:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> i *hate* it
2021-03-08T19:39:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's so stupid
2021-03-08T19:39:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm s e e t h i n g
2021-03-08T19:39:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm here for it
2021-03-08T19:39:42 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Just add please
2021-03-08T19:39:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> keep killing features and laying people off, as long as the meme train continues
2021-03-08T19:39:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://blog.mozilla.org/firefox/files/2021/02/nightly-doge-logo.png
2021-03-08T19:39:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> look at this stupid bullshit
2021-03-08T19:39:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> fucking >NORMIES
2021-03-08T19:40:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> LITERALLY GET OFF OF MY PLANET
2021-03-08T19:40:03 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Well if you go webkit route there's plenty of customizability tho. Like userscripts and stuff if you care
2021-03-08T19:40:08 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I hate compile firefox i dont like it i only use for college
2021-03-08T19:40:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> any browser that isn't chrom* has userscripts
2021-03-08T19:40:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't think chrom* browsers have userscripts by default
2021-03-08T19:40:50 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Anyone knows a browser good?
2021-03-08T19:40:56 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I need a good one
2021-03-08T19:40:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> nuegia browser
2021-03-08T19:41:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-08T19:41:04 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah but having it in more minimalistic way and wash your js and stuff by hand is something
2021-03-08T19:41:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> i need to shill harder dilyn
2021-03-08T19:41:17 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Bigbluebottom fucks my life with surf it wont work in surf
2021-03-08T19:41:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> you're primary choices are chromium-based (ungoogled chromium, falkon, viperbrowser), firefox (esr, bin), or webkit (surf?? idk but it's in community i think)
2021-03-08T19:41:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> you are primary choices
2021-03-08T19:41:58 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Webkitgtk is in community
2021-03-08T19:42:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> beautiful
2021-03-08T19:42:05 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Is community safe?
2021-03-08T19:42:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> chromium is iffy on sites sometimes, firefox is pretty solid in general, webkit will shit itself on a fair few sites last i heard
2021-03-08T19:42:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> community is unofficially official
2021-03-08T19:42:22 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> In my head community is the AUR
2021-03-08T19:42:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> the packages won't detonate your install
2021-03-08T19:42:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's all the shit you might want but don't need
2021-03-08T19:42:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> I vet the build scripts but that's about it
2021-03-08T19:42:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> most people use it, it has a lot of good stuff
2021-03-08T19:42:57 #kisslinux <aarng> $ grep -c '<midfav.*cringe' irc/irc.freenode.org/channels/#kisslinux.log
2021-03-08T19:42:59 #kisslinux <aarng> 50
2021-03-08T19:43:03 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I need to read about kiss create packages
2021-03-08T19:43:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> cringe
2021-03-08T19:43:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> cringe
2021-03-08T19:43:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> cringe
2021-03-08T19:43:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> cringe
2021-03-08T19:43:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> cringe
2021-03-08T19:43:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> 44
2021-03-08T19:43:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> 55
2021-03-08T19:43:10 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I need ones for me
2021-03-08T19:43:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck
2021-03-08T19:43:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> jesus
2021-03-08T19:43:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> everything is cringe
2021-03-08T19:43:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> even cringe is cringe
2021-03-08T19:43:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is my philosophy
2021-03-08T19:43:43 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> If is cringe compile it
2021-03-08T19:43:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes exactly
2021-03-08T19:43:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> cringepile it
2021-03-08T19:43:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> read this for some information on packaging http://k1sslinux.org/package-system
2021-03-08T19:43:58 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Being cringe isn't cringe
2021-03-08T19:44:00 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Its normal
2021-03-08T19:44:06 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Any info about chroot?
2021-03-08T19:44:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> being cringe isn't cringe, but being cringe and acting as if it's not cringe is cringe
2021-03-08T19:44:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> look at some build scripts for an example
2021-03-08T19:44:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> like see, I'm super cringe
2021-03-08T19:44:19 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> so my wifi driver is listed in the kernel but when i set to to be built-in and rebuilt the kernel... iwlwifi spits out no suitable firmware found >:(
2021-03-08T19:44:19 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I need for glibc apps like zoom and all modern bloat
2021-03-08T19:44:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I'm self aware that I'm cringe
2021-03-08T19:44:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> so it's not cringe
2021-03-08T19:44:52 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> manually put the driver under /usr/lib/firmware, rebooted, still no dice
2021-03-08T19:45:00 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> It happens to me
2021-03-08T19:45:06 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I do the reinstall
2021-03-08T19:45:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> you can use https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Install_Arch_Linux_from_existing_Linux#Creating_a_chroot an arch chroot, i did it for work for a few months
2021-03-08T19:45:27 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I just plan to use use kiss rootfs inside kiss to build kernels and have less deps. If you want junk use Arch obv
2021-03-08T19:45:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> ominous: the firmware has to be there at compile time & listed
2021-03-08T19:46:03 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Can i use gentoo for chroot?
2021-03-08T19:46:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> sure, but that sounds like hell
2021-03-08T19:46:13 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> All compiled i like
2021-03-08T19:46:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmfao
2021-03-08T19:46:17 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i put it under /usr/lib/firmware prior to compiling my kernel, it should've been found i thought
2021-03-08T19:46:27 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Can you install your junk in gentoo? That's the question you should ask yourself
2021-03-08T19:46:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> as long as they're listed in your kernel config
2021-03-08T19:46:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> CONFIG_EXTRA_FIRMWARE="names of firmwares space separated"
2021-03-08T19:46:59 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Yeah gentoo drive me crazy with zoom all the shit packages
2021-03-08T19:47:09 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I do with arch
2021-03-08T19:47:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> i assume gentoo has like, a tarball with a base gentoo system?
2021-03-08T19:47:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> if so, you can just literally do mkdir gentoo-chroot && tar xf gentoo-tarball.tar.gz -C gentoo-chroot
2021-03-08T19:47:49 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> CONFIG_EXTRA_FIRMWARE is listed as an empty string damn
2021-03-08T19:47:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> and then kiss-chroot gentoo-chroot and carry on as a gentoo user would
2021-03-08T19:48:13 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I need only for launch steam or something
2021-03-08T19:48:22 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> That would be cringe tho. Just go arch
2021-03-08T19:48:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> look
2021-03-08T19:48:44 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> The zoom conferences i gona do with usb live fedora or something, is more easy
2021-03-08T19:48:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is the one time I'll say this
2021-03-08T19:48:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you're using musl
2021-03-08T19:48:49 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Muh manual intervention is my favorite thing
2021-03-08T19:48:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> and you want to have a bloat free way to run steam
2021-03-08T19:48:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...
2021-03-08T19:48:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> use flatpak.
2021-03-08T19:49:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> hng
2021-03-08T19:49:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's unironically the easiest and simplest solution.
2021-03-08T19:49:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> I have to pick up dylan's torch on that huh
2021-03-08T19:49:24 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Flatpak cringe
2021-03-08T19:49:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean flatpack et al were literally designed to solve this problem
2021-03-08T19:49:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> flatpak is very cringe
2021-03-08T19:49:32 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Steam flatpak works well on kiss?
2021-03-08T19:49:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> but you know what's more cringe?
2021-03-08T19:49:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> installing an entire distro within your distro
2021-03-08T19:49:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't think flatpak has really been tested :S
2021-03-08T19:49:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> and a fuckton of duplicate packages
2021-03-08T19:49:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> and having to start a new X server just to run steam
2021-03-08T19:49:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's like
2021-03-08T19:50:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> pentacringe
2021-03-08T19:50:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> you don't have to start a new server just do localhost passthrough
2021-03-08T19:50:10 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I do not like flatpak but for my if i can run steam on a arch chroot i go in arch
2021-03-08T19:50:36 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Dude why you don't simply use something like bedrock if you want features from different distros tho
2021-03-08T19:50:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> because bedrock a)
2021-03-08T19:50:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> doesn't work well with kiss
2021-03-08T19:50:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> and b)
2021-03-08T19:50:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> is hilariously unstable and insecure
2021-03-08T19:50:54 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Its crinfe
2021-03-08T19:50:58 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Cringe*
2021-03-08T19:51:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> but it's named bedrock how could it be insecure
2021-03-08T19:51:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> bedrock so stable
2021-03-08T19:51:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> bedrock is just abuse of chroots
2021-03-08T19:51:20 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Its like onyx in pokemon
2021-03-08T19:51:23 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> bedrock is bedrock(funni)
2021-03-08T19:51:26 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Only the name works well
2021-03-08T19:51:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> "whoa dude this must be a minecraft distro!"
2021-03-08T19:51:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> insert soyface
2021-03-08T19:52:05 #kisslinux <paradigm> midfavila: do you have any concrete examples of instability or security issues?
2021-03-08T19:52:14 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Can i have some hope in musl steam someday?
2021-03-08T19:52:18 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Or only a dream?
2021-03-08T19:52:19 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Luke Smith is Minecraft's Steve that's why he out there in the wild
2021-03-08T19:52:33 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Bedrock his favorite distro he never heard of
2021-03-08T19:52:34 #kisslinux <paradigm> Bedrock's fix for the compatibility issue with KISS is on the roadmap for 0.8
2021-03-08T19:52:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> personally? no, because I don't use it. but last I checked there was a post talking about how some package managers effectively were "jumping" chroots
2021-03-08T19:52:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> in particular, kiss
2021-03-08T19:53:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I think void's xbps was wonky, too?
2021-03-08T19:53:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't really follow it. it's more of a novelty to me
2021-03-08T19:53:21 #kisslinux <paradigm> I'm deeply familiar with the issue with KISS and do not follow how it relates to security or stability concerns
2021-03-08T19:53:28 #kisslinux <paradigm> I don't know of any open issues with xbps
2021-03-08T19:53:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...if I can run arbitrary scripts as root and it jumps chroots, you don't see how that's an issue?
2021-03-08T19:54:03 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Nah don't you dare do void in bedrock. Its holy grail
2021-03-08T19:54:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> always forget paradigm idles in here
2021-03-08T19:54:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> like, again, I don't use bedrock so you can tell me to fuck off if you want and that's fair
2021-03-08T19:54:49 #kisslinux <paradigm> I think you're incorrectly conflating Bedrock's use of the chroot() system call with security.
2021-03-08T19:55:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe.
2021-03-08T19:55:23 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I looked in nuegia browser
2021-03-08T19:55:28 #kisslinux <paradigm> Honestly my concern is more that I'm missing something, in which case I would want to know to fix it. Only secondarily that you're spreading unfounded FUD.
2021-03-08T19:55:33 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Is pale moon rebuild?
2021-03-08T19:55:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, pale moon stripped of proprietary assets. has better default settings as well
2021-03-08T19:56:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> and "FUD" generally implies a malicious intent
2021-03-08T19:56:18 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> You heard about librewolf?
2021-03-08T19:56:19 #kisslinux <paradigm> Conceded. Is there a better word I should use in this context?
2021-03-08T19:56:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> not really. it's just overkill
2021-03-08T19:56:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> if i'm wrong then I'm wrong and it's whatever
2021-03-08T19:56:36 #kisslinux <paradigm> Gotcha
2021-03-08T19:56:38 #kisslinux <paradigm> C'est la vie
2021-03-08T19:56:45 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-03-08T19:57:18 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I wonder why kiss ships firefox instead of waterfox tho
2021-03-08T19:57:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> i think there've been a few times dylan explained
2021-03-08T19:57:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux/20210222#c6996715
2021-03-08T19:58:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> that reminds me, I need to try rebuilding nuegia without dbus junk
2021-03-08T19:58:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I'm not sure if that would work since even moonchild states you need dbus-glib
2021-03-08T19:59:02 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Man i got no point in kiss now
2021-03-08T19:59:16 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Its just consum equals gentoo my ram
2021-03-08T19:59:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, uh, yeah
2021-03-08T19:59:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you're running the same programs with the same optimizations you're gonna get about the same results
2021-03-08T19:59:43 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah I told you. You make things harder too much for no reason or real benefit
2021-03-08T19:59:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> something something musl > glibc
2021-03-08T19:59:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> me or 2d, nxghtmvrx?
2021-03-08T20:00:09 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I think musl > glibc
2021-03-08T20:00:11 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> 2d ofc
2021-03-08T20:00:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> just checking :p
2021-03-08T20:00:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> and yeah musl is the ideal for a C lib rn
2021-03-08T20:00:24 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> But damn i thinking i be much ismaller
2021-03-08T20:00:34 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> And are exactly the same ram
2021-03-08T20:00:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> musl doesn't magically make programs more efficient
2021-03-08T20:01:03 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Is more faster but damn
2021-03-08T20:01:06 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> The ram
2021-03-08T20:01:10 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I gonna cry
2021-03-08T20:01:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> = w=
2021-03-08T20:01:32 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Okay
2021-03-08T20:01:47 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Maybe is the wpa and dhcpcd and the all drivers shit
2021-03-08T20:01:48 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Where is it small and what's the benefit of it if you still want to bring all the junk inside again? It won't be much better than any other thing
2021-03-08T20:02:13 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Imo sacrifices must be made
2021-03-08T20:02:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> ^
2021-03-08T20:02:35 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Yeah a think i go in kiss
2021-03-08T20:02:55 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I just need setup a arch gaming chroot
2021-03-08T20:03:14 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Eiwd needs dhcpd to works or not?
2021-03-08T20:03:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> no
2021-03-08T20:03:29 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Well its good
2021-03-08T20:03:41 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> The wiki in kiss is good?
2021-03-08T20:03:47 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I about to test it
2021-03-08T20:03:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> kinda small but the articles are well-written
2021-03-08T20:04:01 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Good
2021-03-08T20:04:17 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Man i illuded
2021-03-08T20:04:22 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I see a post in reddit
2021-03-08T20:04:25 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> @midfavila extlinux boots for me in 3 seconds compared to 1.5 minutes for my Lubuntu LiveUSB and like 5 minutes for the old Windows install
2021-03-08T20:04:30 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> 76mb ram a system
2021-03-08T20:04:42 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I thinking "whoa i have do to this"
2021-03-08T20:04:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah extlinux is pretty quick
2021-03-08T20:04:52 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> And now all reality happens
2021-03-08T20:05:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> but kiss in general starts up extremely fast
2021-03-08T20:05:13 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Yes
2021-03-08T20:05:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> my KISS install is only 2G :o
2021-03-08T20:05:40 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> If a have much ram i gonna do all the shit bloat
2021-03-08T20:05:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> mine is about 8G but that's counting all of my media and stuff
2021-03-08T20:05:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's *just* the pkgs
2021-03-08T20:06:00 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> But 9gb is good but not whoa
2021-03-08T20:06:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> most of my disk usage is in stored source actually
2021-03-08T20:06:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> about half
2021-03-08T20:06:48 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Any tips on booting kernel faster tho? My current time is 3s. Would be nice if I shaved a second
2021-03-08T20:06:51 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> dilyn lmao i downloaded the git tree view of the driver instead of the actual file... grabbing the actual file and rebuilding worked
2021-03-08T20:06:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> switch to hummingbird init
2021-03-08T20:07:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't start services as part of init
2021-03-08T20:07:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao nice
2021-03-08T20:07:05 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Use lz4 for the kernel compression
2021-03-08T20:07:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> start them afterward
2021-03-08T20:07:11 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Is more faster
2021-03-08T20:07:18 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> lz4 already
2021-03-08T20:07:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> hummingbird go zoom
2021-03-08T20:07:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> indeed
2021-03-08T20:07:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> lz4 will unarchive slightly faster but will be a slightly larger kernel image
2021-03-08T20:07:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> my laptop boots to X in about two seconds, from extlinux
2021-03-08T20:07:46 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Whats the smaller wm?
2021-03-08T20:07:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> honestly probably wouldn't notice the difference
2021-03-08T20:07:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> xwm probably
2021-03-08T20:08:05 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Smaller tha dwm?
2021-03-08T20:08:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> once you get to shaving miliseconds off you don't notice, yeah
2021-03-08T20:08:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> the smallest wm is wmutils
2021-03-08T20:08:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean maybe i have no idea
2021-03-08T20:08:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> :^)
2021-03-08T20:08:20 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> xwm, owm. dwm is bloat comparing to them
2021-03-08T20:08:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> i used i3 -> sowm -> wayland lol
2021-03-08T20:08:36 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> s/owm/sowm
2021-03-08T20:08:38 #kisslinux <kissbot> <nxghtmvrx> xwm, sowm. dwm is bloat comparing to them
2021-03-08T20:09:27 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> There was also monsterwm which is less bloaty than dwm but it didn't aged well
2021-03-08T20:11:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> use twm
2021-03-08T20:11:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> just print everything to the framebuffer
2021-03-08T20:12:05 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> What your choices in wm?
2021-03-08T20:12:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> in-kernel windowing system
2021-03-08T20:12:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> make it happen linyos torvoltos
2021-03-08T20:13:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://external-preview.redd.it/WMqOXj43phx-2zNJeR0um1s2zCaFSJh3i4a2_Oh94Jo.jpg?auto=webp&s=9cd191a7fbe2cf07ccb2453e8df0b4c89b7ca75f
2021-03-08T20:13:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> totally unrelated
2021-03-08T20:13:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I think I found dylan if he were from the 80s
2021-03-08T20:13:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh jeez
2021-03-08T20:13:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> he's been trapped in a magazine this entire time wtf
2021-03-08T20:13:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao
2021-03-08T20:14:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> i unironically love that image
2021-03-08T20:14:23 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> If you want dwm-like experience- then go only with dwm. There's nothing better' I'd say. Just trim everything you don't need and won't use like programs bound to workspaces, bar, unneeded layouts.
2021-03-08T20:14:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> makes me giggle
2021-03-08T20:17:16 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> So much bloat tho
2021-03-08T20:17:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's only bloat if it's not serving a good purpose
2021-03-08T20:18:23 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Spartan mindset= everything is bloat. BaSeD
2021-03-08T20:21:15 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Xwm is good
2021-03-08T20:21:44 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I not see owm in search
2021-03-08T20:21:47 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Any links?
2021-03-08T20:22:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> sowm, not owm
2021-03-08T20:22:18 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> https://github.com/dylanaraps/sowm
2021-03-08T20:22:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=752
2021-03-08T20:22:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> amusing short story I found in the course of looking around for a private eye
2021-03-08T20:22:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> the uh, gadget in the image, not a P.I
2021-03-08T20:25:09 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Sowm looks good
2021-03-08T20:25:16 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I think i go with
2021-03-08T20:25:33 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I love this simplistic design no borders
2021-03-08T20:26:13 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Can i add a compositor in it?
2021-03-08T20:26:16 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I can't exist without tiling so no go for me
2021-03-08T20:26:41 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Had no patch for tiling?
2021-03-08T20:26:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> use pytile
2021-03-08T20:27:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> or some other tiling manager
2021-03-08T20:27:05 #kisslinux <acheam> you should be able to run a compositor with anything
2021-03-08T20:27:39 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://github.com/wmutils/contrib you could code one yourself, too
2021-03-08T20:27:43 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Picom or xcomp?
2021-03-08T20:27:48 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I would love to be cancerous enough to try compositor with framebuffer stuff
2021-03-08T20:27:53 #kisslinux <acheam> assuming its not doing some really wacky stuff with xorg, which sowm doesnt
2021-03-08T20:27:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> i suggest xcompmgr
2021-03-08T20:28:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> picom is blech
2021-03-08T20:28:21 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Okay
2021-03-08T20:28:29 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> So where you did from?
2021-03-08T20:28:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> ?
2021-03-08T20:28:43 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Sorry
2021-03-08T20:28:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's fine, I just don't understand what you mean
2021-03-08T20:29:08 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Yeah
2021-03-08T20:29:11 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> English bad
2021-03-08T20:29:24 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I had a bug in mind
2021-03-08T20:29:30 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> One second
2021-03-08T20:29:33 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Framebuffer is still a real thing tho https://github.com/caramelli/higfxback
2021-03-08T20:29:53 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Where are you from?
2021-03-08T20:29:58 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> This looks much better
2021-03-08T20:30:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> Oh. I'm Canadian.
2021-03-08T20:31:04 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> The pinnacle of the world country resident with us :o
2021-03-08T20:31:44 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Why EUA makes too much jokes with Canada?
2021-03-08T20:31:59 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Dunno cuz im not from eua
2021-03-08T20:32:08 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Canada is really the best
2021-03-08T20:32:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> Canada is... okay
2021-03-08T20:32:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> sowm with picom is purty
2021-03-08T20:32:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/dilyn-corner/KISS-kde/master/10-26%2522%3A22%3A22.png
2021-03-08T20:32:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> there are a lot of good things, but a lot of bad things, too
2021-03-08T20:32:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> for example, there's a shockingly large homeless population in canada
2021-03-08T20:33:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> our education system is also lackluster
2021-03-08T20:33:20 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Well its not just some utopia ofc
2021-03-08T20:33:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> our taxes also get misspent quite a lot
2021-03-08T20:33:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> and in the larger cities, there are major housing crises ongoing
2021-03-08T20:34:48 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Damn dilyn i like
2021-03-08T20:35:18 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> If you think canada have bad things
2021-03-08T20:35:24 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Try Brazil
2021-03-08T20:35:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Canada is a bad place to live
2021-03-08T20:35:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> It's certainly not.
2021-03-08T20:35:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> But everything can be improved.
2021-03-08T20:36:04 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah I feel ya. Im in shithole country with situation worse than Brazil
2021-03-08T20:36:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> website and wiki are now mirrored to the server, and it redirects http requests to https
2021-03-08T20:36:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> because muh boycott
2021-03-08T20:36:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> >not redirecting https to http
2021-03-08T20:36:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> cringe
2021-03-08T20:36:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> i can only please so many people
2021-03-08T20:37:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> CRINGE
2021-03-08T20:37:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> kiedtl takes precedent. they have seniority
2021-03-08T20:37:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> rude
2021-03-08T20:37:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm a valued contributor to this community
2021-03-08T20:37:39 #kisslinux * dilyn shrug
2021-03-08T20:37:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> take it up with the senate
2021-03-08T20:38:45 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> inb4 i am the senate
2021-03-08T20:39:09 #kisslinux <aarng> dilyn, so do we keep the wiki formatting style?
2021-03-08T20:39:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> for now
2021-03-08T20:39:32 #kisslinux <aarng> ok
2021-03-08T20:39:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't know how important copy-pasteability is, and that would be my biggest motivator to change
2021-03-08T20:39:43 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> nxghtmvrx what your country?
2021-03-08T20:40:11 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Oh dylin please you can add the wpa_supplicant article?
2021-03-08T20:40:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> I think keeping the website slim should take priority, personally
2021-03-08T20:40:23 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Is missing in wiki
2021-03-08T20:40:34 #kisslinux <aarng> the boxes being a bit annoying to create is my main gripe
2021-03-08T20:40:38 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I wonder if there should be page for old radeon gpus because gentoo wiki explains everything so nice and simple
2021-03-08T20:40:56 #kisslinux <aarng> not that I've ever contributed to the wiki
2021-03-08T20:41:04 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Russia. Big cringe
2021-03-08T20:41:08 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Man we need to make the wikis more simplistic
2021-03-08T20:41:13 #kisslinux <aarng> but probably will soon, working on an nvi article
2021-03-08T20:41:14 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Man i love hate Russia
2021-03-08T20:41:24 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I like мы
2021-03-08T20:41:32 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Its a good duet for me
2021-03-08T20:41:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> I just copy the skeleton box in the add-a-page page and use that :S
2021-03-08T20:41:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> from what I've seen of russia it seems... okay in some ways, not great in others
2021-03-08T20:41:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> overall, very cold
2021-03-08T20:42:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> i once met a russian who ended every sentence with "blin"
2021-03-08T20:42:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> now why is the wpa_supplicant article not in the wiki wtf
2021-03-08T20:42:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> which I'm told means something akin to "pancakes"
2021-03-08T20:42:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> omfg
2021-03-08T20:42:49 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Blin is something like minor swear or very similar. Like "heck"
2021-03-08T20:42:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's an underscore not a hyphen
2021-03-08T20:42:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> smh
2021-03-08T20:43:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> ic
2021-03-08T20:43:17 #kisslinux <acheam> I_HATE_C
2021-03-08T20:43:19 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Man
2021-03-08T20:43:21 #kisslinux <acheam> especially libgit2
2021-03-08T20:43:27 #kisslinux <acheam> like, document yourself
2021-03-08T20:43:37 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> The ex corrupt president got free
2021-03-08T20:43:41 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I love brazil
2021-03-08T20:43:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> tHe SoUrCe Is ThE dOcUmEnTaTiOn
2021-03-08T20:44:39 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> ^
2021-03-08T20:45:01 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Man can i write in the k1sslinux.org?
2021-03-08T20:45:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> my question is, why is libgit2 separate from git smh
2021-03-08T20:45:10 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I do love help in some articles
2021-03-08T20:45:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> feel free to make a PR at https://github.com/kiss-community/wiki :)
2021-03-08T20:45:26 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> eiwd is segfaulting on me wee
2021-03-08T20:45:29 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> (the documentation itself isn't even a documentation. cringe)
2021-03-08T20:48:09 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Honestly i don't see a lot of point in existence of kiss wiki and stuff. I think just link to gentoo in most cases and in some to arch would be enough. Exceptions maybe sx and such
2021-03-08T20:48:36 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I think gentoo is a good wiki
2021-03-08T20:48:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> gentoo and arch have good and tolerable wikis respectively
2021-03-08T20:48:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> and are respectable in their own right
2021-03-08T20:49:00 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> But for me the gentoo wiki needs some changes
2021-03-08T20:49:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> but they layer abstraction onto their systems
2021-03-08T20:49:16 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> In some aspects is hard to a lil newbie understand
2021-03-08T20:49:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> I think most wikis are way too complicated for KISS' needs
2021-03-08T20:49:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> kiss doesn't, and as a result of the differing approaches, the wiki can provide insight the others can't
2021-03-08T20:49:23 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> We have to make it simple
2021-03-08T20:49:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> compare our efibootmgr article to arch's
2021-03-08T20:49:29 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> KEEP IT SIMPLE
2021-03-08T20:50:55 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Because when I think how could I write page on old radeon gpus without pointing to other resource to figure out exact name of gpu it would be actually more complicated to try and describe myself
2021-03-08T20:51:20 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> So in this case its probably not even simpler than use gentoo
2021-03-08T20:51:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> you can always link to other resources, that's encouraged
2021-03-08T20:51:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> no need to duplicate *everything*
2021-03-08T20:52:08 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Yep
2021-03-08T20:52:19 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> For exemple the firmware wiki is good
2021-03-08T20:52:29 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I think is quit bit better than gentoo
2021-03-08T20:53:08 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Offers a non menuconfig option
2021-03-08T20:53:35 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> And on keeping it simple... isn't kiss more on advanced side? Then there's no big point avoiding gentoo at all
2021-03-08T20:53:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> simple=/=easy to use
2021-03-08T20:54:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> refers to overall sophistication and complexity of the system
2021-03-08T20:54:50 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I mean by simple to any people can understand the wiki without questions in mind
2021-03-08T20:54:54 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> yeah simple isn't simple in regards to ease of use for sure. its harder lol
2021-03-08T20:55:18 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Gentoo is a hard system but if you read all the handbook install you understand how to install
2021-03-08T20:55:36 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> In some parts the wiki of kiss is confused
2021-03-08T20:55:59 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> You need a other knowledge to do the work
2021-03-08T20:55:59 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> If I would read everything then I'd probably yeet to lfs myself lol
2021-03-08T20:56:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> the point of most of the wiki should be as a quick reference guide by using kiss-help wiki/path/to/article
2021-03-08T20:56:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> that is the ideal use-case imo
2021-03-08T20:56:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> like 'how does bkeymaps work? oh right *pull up article real quick from cli* ah yes perfect'
2021-03-08T20:56:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> manpages++
2021-03-08T20:57:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> ew
2021-03-08T20:57:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> you know it to be true
2021-03-08T20:57:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> the ONLY docs I keep are the ones distributed with kiss
2021-03-08T20:57:40 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah but... installing grub maybe should switched to something else and stuff. So at this point if I consider alternatives there's not much of a difference to describe every other thing
2021-03-08T20:57:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> i tend to keep my docs available for any progs I use
2021-03-08T20:57:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> but outside of userspace, idc
2021-03-08T20:57:57 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> s/switched/be switched/
2021-03-08T20:57:58 #kisslinux <kissbot> <nxghtmvrx> Yeah but... installing grub maybe should be switched to something else and stuff. So at this point if I consider alternatives there's not much of a difference to describe every other thing
2021-03-08T20:58:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> replace grub with syslinux
2021-03-08T20:58:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> do eet
2021-03-08T20:58:17 #kisslinux * midfavila pounds on table repeatedly
2021-03-08T20:58:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> if you wanna write a wiki/boot/syslinux article feel free
2021-03-08T20:59:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> ugh fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINE
2021-03-08T20:59:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'll get around to it later today
2021-03-08T20:59:12 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Lol alright. Let's yolo on more articles then
2021-03-08T20:59:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> gotta update my site real quick and do some other stuff though
2021-03-08T21:00:16 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Can i edit all the articles or just create?
2021-03-08T21:01:44 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Anyone know how i can launch a quick sh script in the init?
2021-03-08T21:02:11 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I tired of exec KISS_PATH commands everytime
2021-03-08T21:02:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> just invoke it
2021-03-08T21:02:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> like any other program
2021-03-08T21:02:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> make sure the exec bit is set
2021-03-08T21:02:54 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Okay
2021-03-08T21:03:16 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Theres launch after login and before login. For after login one its /etc/rc.conf if I remember right
2021-03-08T21:04:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> I need to add a cronjob to clear /tmp...
2021-03-08T21:04:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> keep dumping a bunch of crap in it
2021-03-08T21:05:35 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> hellboy2d http://k1sslinux.org/wiki/init/busybox
2021-03-08T21:05:40 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Editing kiss articles on Void instead of KISS because I still don't want to deal with x/wayland
2021-03-08T21:05:48 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> cringe eh
2021-03-08T21:05:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> cringe cringe crine
2021-03-08T21:06:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> s/cringe/cringe
2021-03-08T21:06:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> gfdi
2021-03-08T21:06:14 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> lol
2021-03-08T21:06:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is what I get for only having three hours of sleep
2021-03-08T21:06:37 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> You try different pattern or something?
2021-03-08T21:06:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> no
2021-03-08T21:06:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> i just suck at sleeping
2021-03-08T21:07:00 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I hate sleeping tbh
2021-03-08T21:07:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean if you could just like
2021-03-08T21:07:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> not
2021-03-08T21:07:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> then that would be great
2021-03-08T21:07:54 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> So even if I physically feel worse I sleep less
2021-03-08T21:09:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> http://www.loper-os.org/
2021-03-08T21:09:53 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> But I hope to finally get that everyman cycle right. Dunno why I can't even if did it before
2021-03-08T21:09:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is such a cool block
2021-03-08T21:09:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> blog
2021-03-08T21:10:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> god
2021-03-08T21:10:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> fucking
2021-03-08T21:10:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> damnit
2021-03-08T21:10:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> i quyit
2021-03-08T21:10:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...
2021-03-08T21:10:22 #kisslinux * midfavila screeches
2021-03-08T21:11:42 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> The thuth is no one besides you cares much about your mistakes even if you hate when it happens
2021-03-08T21:11:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay but I don't care if other people care about my mistakes
2021-03-08T21:12:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> because *I* care about my mistakes
2021-03-08T21:14:22 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Any reccomendations for simple irc client that works with sasl?
2021-03-08T21:14:36 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> s/reccomendations/recommendations/
2021-03-08T21:14:38 #kisslinux <kissbot> <nxghtmvrx> Any recommendations for simple irc client that works with sasl?
2021-03-08T21:16:32 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> mcpcpc has one: https://github.com/mcpcpc/kirc
2021-03-08T21:17:57 #kisslinux <soliwilos> kirc works with sasl if you use socat.
2021-03-08T21:20:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...oooooh, I wonder if I could build a chip that generates entropy for use on one of my i2c connections!
2021-03-08T21:20:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> that would be cool
2021-03-08T21:21:35 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> thanks. guess I'll try it
2021-03-08T21:22:27 #kisslinux <mcpcpc> kirc supports sasl plain without socat
2021-03-08T21:22:29 #kisslinux <mcpcpc> https://mcpcpc.github.io/kirc/documentation.html#sasl-plain-authentication
2021-03-08T21:38:48 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> midfavila, you already have that chip, it's your soundcard https://github.com/niklata/snd-egd
2021-03-08T21:39:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'll have to look into tRNG more
2021-03-08T21:39:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm not familiar with the actual implementation of it and I've heard some people who... aren't fond of the practice of whitening
2021-03-08T21:40:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> definitely gonna keep that in mind though
2021-03-08T21:40:09 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> there's also chaoskey
2021-03-08T21:40:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> >usb >requires driver >out of production
2021-03-08T21:41:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> nah
2021-03-08T21:54:14 #kisslinux <jslick> looks like the flowerboxes on the kiss website got messed up again
2021-03-08T22:03:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> hey look, i got the fossil page to load https://fossil.k1sslinux.org/index
2021-03-08T22:04:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> the flowerboxes get distorted when viewing with the wrong text size/window dimensions for me :S
2021-03-08T22:04:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> 300% font size resolves the problem :X
2021-03-08T22:05:11 #kisslinux <necromansy> im guessing flowerboxes means the boxing around the text body??
2021-03-08T22:05:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> and it clones! woohoo!
2021-03-08T22:05:33 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> how big is the sqlite db with the commit in them?
2021-03-08T22:05:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> sqlite db :thinking:
2021-03-08T22:05:57 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> isnt fossil the sqlite db backend thing
2021-03-08T22:06:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> the whole repo (when opened) is 5MB
2021-03-08T22:06:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> the .fslckout is 116K
2021-03-08T22:07:24 #kisslinux <jslick> ah my bad, I was looking with a different computer
2021-03-08T22:08:59 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> > Content is stored using a SQLite database so that transactions are atomic even if interrupted by a power loss or system crash.[3]
2021-03-08T22:09:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah it looks perfect on my phone
2021-03-08T22:09:06 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> yeah, recalled correct.
2021-03-08T22:09:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah you were right i got confused :P
2021-03-08T22:09:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> no idea how bad a 116k database is tho
2021-03-08T22:09:55 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> isnt that just a lockfile
2021-03-08T22:10:11 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i'd think there's a .sqlite3 file somewhere
2021-03-08T22:10:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean 'file' tells me it's a sqlite3 file
2021-03-08T22:10:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> there's nothing else tho
2021-03-08T22:10:27 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> o.0
2021-03-08T22:10:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> file once told me a plaintext file was matlab source code
2021-03-08T22:10:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> yah lol
2021-03-08T22:10:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can't always trust file's output
2021-03-08T22:10:37 #kisslinux <necromansy> loool
2021-03-08T22:10:38 #kisslinux <necromansy> wtf
2021-03-08T22:10:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean if i read the file it says sqlite3 in the first few characters lol
2021-03-08T22:10:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> idk man i don't get fossil
2021-03-08T22:10:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> i am not a smart man
2021-03-08T22:11:39 #kisslinux <E5ten> personally, given that git works well and by a large margin the most used thing I'll just keep using it, but have fun with fossil :>)
2021-03-08T22:11:44 #kisslinux <E5ten> and is*
2021-03-08T22:11:50 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> well, linus is a smart man
2021-03-08T22:12:18 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> and he probably was "why use a db when the FS is already a db"
2021-03-08T22:12:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-08T22:12:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> this is mostly just for fine
2021-03-08T22:13:19 #kisslinux <E5ten> fair enough
2021-03-08T22:13:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> like for instance now I can set it up so that every time I push to the git repo on the server, it will automatically commit those changes to the fossil version
2021-03-08T22:13:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> so now I can just uninstall git and retire
2021-03-08T22:14:06 #kisslinux <E5ten> do you mean uninstall fossil? (I don't see how you'd push to the git repo if you uninstall git)
2021-03-08T22:14:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> I would obviously just chroot into my KDE system and push from there
2021-03-08T22:14:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's all cockamamey
2021-03-08T22:14:45 #kisslinux <E5ten> ah of course
2021-03-08T22:14:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> GPL must be purged from wyverkiss >=)
2021-03-08T22:15:11 #kisslinux <E5ten> oh wait git is GPL lol?
2021-03-08T22:15:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> mmhmm
2021-03-08T22:15:22 #kisslinux <E5ten> I guess I probably knew that already
2021-03-08T22:15:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> muh geepeen
2021-03-08T22:15:35 #kisslinux <E5ten> what else could I have expected it to be given that it's written by linus and he made kernel GPL
2021-03-08T22:15:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> gpl2 lgpl-2.1
2021-03-08T22:15:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> good ol' linus
2021-03-08T22:15:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> i should make a version of KISS where everything is aGPL
2021-03-08T22:15:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> :|
2021-03-08T22:16:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao
2021-03-08T22:16:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> maximum Freedom:tm:
2021-03-08T22:16:12 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> nah more like wtfpl
2021-03-08T22:16:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> you were supposed to bring balance to the force
2021-03-08T22:16:19 #kisslinux <E5ten> lol how're you gonna purge GPL from wyverkiss if it's a linux distro :>)
2021-03-08T22:16:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> wtfpl is more like social commentary
2021-03-08T22:16:27 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> and there will be three packages that exists in the universe
2021-03-08T22:16:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> e5ten, of course we will eventually find a way to run BSD on top of the kernel and make the kernel exit
2021-03-08T22:16:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> duh
2021-03-08T22:16:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> dilyn will eventually write his own open source kernel
2021-03-08T22:16:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> and then never reboot!
2021-03-08T22:16:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> or use bsd
2021-03-08T22:16:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> never
2021-03-08T22:17:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...dragonflyBSD with KISS
2021-03-08T22:17:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> maximum hipster
2021-03-08T22:17:38 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> muh minix with kiss
2021-03-08T22:17:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> imagine wanting to use backdoorOS
2021-03-08T22:17:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> tannebaum is a fucking shill
2021-03-08T22:18:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> if only
2021-03-08T22:19:31 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Two minix oses on one pc: challenge accepted. Just use Intel ME and run minix
2021-03-08T22:21:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> disgusting
2021-03-08T22:21:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm so glad my hardware lets me cripple the ME
2021-03-08T22:21:51 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> hows that
2021-03-08T22:22:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> laptop exposes the ME through an interface
2021-03-08T22:22:16 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> blessed thinkpads eh
2021-03-08T22:22:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's a toughbook
2021-03-08T22:22:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> thinkpads post-06 are dogshit
2021-03-08T22:22:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> and don't let anyone tell you otherwise
2021-03-08T22:25:22 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> there's a shitload of VCS systems out there https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_version-control_software
2021-03-08T22:25:38 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> best one is IBM, charging $4600 per license
2021-03-08T22:27:25 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> though tbh, fossil is probably the next best after git
2021-03-08T22:28:01 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> the author is well-known for e.g. the lemon parser, which is what almost all parser hacker gurus recommend
2021-03-08T22:29:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> jesus wtf ibm
2021-03-08T22:29:50 #kisslinux <necromansy> money money moneey
2021-03-08T22:31:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> $$$$$$$$
2021-03-08T22:31:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> grubbing intensifies
2021-03-08T22:39:50 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Hello guys
2021-03-08T22:40:08 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I have a question
2021-03-08T22:40:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> good for you
2021-03-08T22:40:29 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> How can a automatize my KISS_PATH and Cflags?
2021-03-08T22:40:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> CFLAGS, that would be a pain
2021-03-08T22:40:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> KISS_PATH, I have a hacky pipeline that works
2021-03-08T22:41:10 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Its be a pain use it
2021-03-08T22:41:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> export KISS_PATH=$(du /var/db/kiss/repos -d2 | cut -f 2 | grep -v \. | sort | tr 'n' ':')
2021-03-08T22:41:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's ugly and inelegant but it works
2021-03-08T22:41:36 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Can a make a .sh of it?
2021-03-08T22:41:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> just stick it in whatever file stores variables relevant to KISS...
2021-03-08T22:41:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> so yeah
2021-03-08T22:42:09 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> And cflag?
2021-03-08T22:42:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> Figure it out
2021-03-08T22:44:14 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Theres a way i can teste the -j8.
2021-03-08T22:44:16 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> ?
2021-03-08T22:44:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, compile a program
2021-03-08T22:48:04 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> http://k1sslinux.org/install#5.1
2021-03-08T22:49:37 #kisslinux <aarng> nproc ?
2021-03-08T22:50:06 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> yep that should work too
2021-03-08T22:50:26 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> or looking at lscpu output
2021-03-08T22:51:30 #kisslinux <necromansy> if you want to automate it, id use nproc
2021-03-08T22:51:33 #kisslinux <necromansy> imo
2021-03-08T22:51:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> setting makeflags?
2021-03-08T22:51:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't bother with nproc
2021-03-08T22:52:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> just grep the output of /proc/cpuinfo for "cores" and pass it through wc -l
2021-03-08T22:52:36 #kisslinux <necromansy> is that lighter?
2021-03-08T22:52:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> more portable.
2021-03-08T22:52:46 #kisslinux <necromansy> ah
2021-03-08T22:52:48 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah aight
2021-03-08T22:52:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> my systems don't normally have nproc available
2021-03-08T22:53:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> export MAKEFLAGS="-j$((`grep 'cores' /proc/cpuinfo|wc -l`-2))"
2021-03-08T22:53:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> something like this works
2021-03-08T22:53:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> the -2 is to run 46 makejobs instead of 48
2021-03-08T22:53:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can remove that if you want
2021-03-08T22:53:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> but meh
2021-03-08T22:53:58 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> you have 48 cores ?
2021-03-08T22:54:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> 24c48t
2021-03-08T22:54:20 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> dafuq
2021-03-08T22:54:36 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> lmao my poor ass with my 2 cores XD
2021-03-08T22:54:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't get me wrong I spent all last year putting my machine together
2021-03-08T22:54:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> the trick is picking stuff up as it's offloaded from data centers onto ebay
2021-03-08T22:55:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can get xeons for literally dirt cheap
2021-03-08T22:55:41 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> including mainboard?
2021-03-08T22:55:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> mainboards for multi-cpu systems can be a bit expensive
2021-03-08T22:56:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> mine was 500CAD for example
2021-03-08T22:56:05 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i know
2021-03-08T22:56:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's also like, the most expensive part of the system
2021-03-08T22:56:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> so...
2021-03-08T22:56:39 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> tbh in 2021 64cores should be the norm, not the exception
2021-03-08T22:56:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> i disagree
2021-03-08T22:56:52 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> when did quadcores come out? 2007ish iirc
2021-03-08T22:57:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> the software most people use isn't even all that heavily multi-threaded
2021-03-08T22:57:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> what would your average gamer use 64c for?
2021-03-08T22:57:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> shit even CAD work doesn't need that
2021-03-08T22:57:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> chemistry stuff normally uses GPU acceleration
2021-03-08T22:58:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> only time I can see it being useful is in like, maybe video editing and programming work
2021-03-08T22:58:32 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> anything where you can use `make` for
2021-03-08T22:58:52 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> or jobflow/gnu parallel
2021-03-08T22:58:56 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: "Not found"
2021-03-08T22:59:04 #kisslinux <acheam> oh nvm
2021-03-08T22:59:07 #kisslinux <acheam> had to remove /index
2021-03-08T22:59:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've never had luck with parallel
2021-03-08T22:59:22 #kisslinux <acheam> very cool!
2021-03-08T22:59:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> heard that you can use xargs to accomplish something similar
2021-03-08T22:59:35 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> though with all the spyware tasks running on win10, one could certainly make good use of at least 16 cores
2021-03-08T22:59:38 #kisslinux <acheam> I really need to learn how to use xargs well
2021-03-08T22:59:47 #kisslinux <acheam> seems like such a powerful tool
2021-03-08T22:59:50 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> so at least the system stays *somewhat* responsive
2021-03-08T23:00:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> xargs, awk are top-tier yoonix equips
2021-03-08T23:00:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah acheam I'm learning how fossil webservers work the hard way. by doing.
2021-03-08T23:00:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> they can only be wielded by the most powerful sysadmins
2021-03-08T23:00:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> their documentation is... verbose but unhelpful
2021-03-08T23:00:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> and honestly I think memory is better for windows
2021-03-08T23:00:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> considering all the goddamn leaking
2021-03-08T23:00:36 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: that's the best way!
2021-03-08T23:00:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> but now fossil.k1sslinux.org displays all the repos that are setup :o
2021-03-08T23:01:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> and during my investigations into how to most effectively mirror these, I remembered git hooks are very powerful
2021-03-08T23:01:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> i wish more manpages were written in the suckless style
2021-03-08T23:01:19 #kisslinux <acheam> bruv why doesnt http redirect to https
2021-03-08T23:01:26 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> you should make that f0ss1l.k1ssl1nux.0rg
2021-03-08T23:01:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> so now I don't have to git push && git push remote master, I can just git push and it'll do both! huzzah
2021-03-08T23:01:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> https for k1sslinux is a meme
2021-03-08T23:01:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> you're not sending any date smh
2021-03-08T23:01:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> because I didn't redirect https for that domain yet smh relAX
2021-03-08T23:01:53 #kisslinux <acheam> never
2021-03-08T23:01:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> just means the fossil mirror isn't for you lad
2021-03-08T23:01:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> qq rip u
2021-03-08T23:02:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> k1ss is now 1337 hax0r distr0
2021-03-08T23:02:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> s/i/1/
2021-03-08T23:02:25 #kisslinux <kissbot> <dilyn> k1ss 1s now 1337 hax0r distr0
2021-03-08T23:02:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> s/o/0/
2021-03-08T23:02:33 #kisslinux <kissbot> <dilyn> k1ss is n0w 1337 hax0r distr0
2021-03-08T23:02:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> 1337 af
2021-03-08T23:02:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> you are like baby
2021-03-08T23:02:57 #kisslinux <necromansy> you *are* baby
2021-03-08T23:02:58 #kisslinux <necromansy> :>
2021-03-08T23:03:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> just don't touch my gun
2021-03-08T23:03:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> it costs $300,000 to run these servers, for six seconds
2021-03-08T23:03:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> 31$ 1$ n0w 1337 4@xx0rz #1$140
2021-03-08T23:03:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> too 1337, crashed my irc client
2021-03-08T23:03:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> good
2021-03-08T23:03:51 #kisslinux <necromansy> WHO TOUCHED MY SAHSA?
2021-03-08T23:03:56 #kisslinux <necromansy> WHO TOUCHED MY SERVER?
2021-03-08T23:04:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> miss me with those 2007 memes
2021-03-08T23:04:09 #kisslinux <dgre> > AES128 on k1sslinux.org
2021-03-08T23:04:10 #kisslinux <dgre> :(
2021-03-08T23:04:20 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> better than rc4
2021-03-08T23:04:37 #kisslinux <dgre> thats not saying much
2021-03-08T23:06:21 #kisslinux <acheam> whoops I just pushed to kiss-community instead of my fork
2021-03-08T23:06:26 #kisslinux <acheam> not master branch though
2021-03-08T23:06:34 #kisslinux <acheam> so its fine
2021-03-08T23:08:23 #kisslinux <acheam> anybody played around with cproc?
2021-03-08T23:08:27 #kisslinux <acheam> https://git.sr.ht/~mcf/cproc
2021-03-08T23:08:46 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i did
2021-03-08T23:08:50 #kisslinux <acheam> looks like its capable of building a lot of decently complex programs
2021-03-08T23:08:51 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> it's superb
2021-03-08T23:09:06 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> the compiler itself compiles in like 2 seconds
2021-03-08T23:09:18 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> it's also quite fast
2021-03-08T23:09:23 #kisslinux <acheam> oh nice
2021-03-08T23:09:30 #kisslinux <acheam> side note: should I be using c99 or c11 for my programs?
2021-03-08T23:09:34 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> not tcc-fast, but still
2021-03-08T23:09:41 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> c99
2021-03-08T23:10:04 #kisslinux <acheam> why? it seems that c11 is well adopter
2021-03-08T23:10:14 #kisslinux <acheam> s/r/d
2021-03-08T23:10:16 #kisslinux <kissbot> <acheam> why? it seems that c11 is well adopted
2021-03-08T23:10:21 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> not really
2021-03-08T23:10:27 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> only gcc clang and cproc
2021-03-08T23:11:22 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> http://git.simple-cc.org/scc/file/README.html
2021-03-08T23:11:34 #kisslinux <acheam> lol the madness of this lad: https://github.com/andrewchambers/c, naming their C compiler C.
2021-03-08T23:11:43 #kisslinux <dgre> c.c
2021-03-08T23:11:44 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> this one is quite promising too, in that it adds as, ld, etc
2021-03-08T23:11:45 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks, i'l read that sh4rm4^bnc
2021-03-08T23:11:57 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i.e. full binutils style toolchain
2021-03-08T23:13:04 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> it's written by k0ga of st-fame
2021-03-08T23:13:42 #kisslinux <acheam> is c89 worth anything?
2021-03-08T23:13:59 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> it's kinda annoying
2021-03-08T23:14:00 #kisslinux <acheam> the wikipedia page makes c99 seem a lot better
2021-03-08T23:14:05 #kisslinux <acheam> how so?
2021-03-08T23:14:12 #kisslinux <kiedtl> The syntax is just nicer
2021-03-08T23:14:14 #kisslinux <kiedtl> for functions
2021-03-08T23:14:22 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> doesn't have compound initializers, requires all var declarations at function start
2021-03-08T23:14:23 #kisslinux <kiedtl> also, there have been several new features
2021-03-08T23:14:39 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ^^ that too
2021-03-08T23:15:00 #kisslinux <kiedtl> err, c99 *does not* require var decls at func start
2021-03-08T23:15:15 #kisslinux <kiedtl> it has _Bool, i believe, which c89 doesn't
2021-03-08T23:15:15 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> the only features of C11 that are somewhat interesting are atomics and generics
2021-03-08T23:15:28 #kisslinux <kiedtl> _Generic is not what you'd think it is, though
2021-03-08T23:15:33 #kisslinux <kiedtl> it's more of a switch statement for types
2021-03-08T23:15:39 #kisslinux <kiedtl> rather than generics proper
2021-03-08T23:15:43 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> yeah, but useful nonetheless
2021-03-08T23:15:44 #kisslinux <acheam> hmmm thanks
2021-03-08T23:16:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> speaking of C, that reminds me
2021-03-08T23:16:26 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl: what does _Bool have over everyone's favorite "0" and "1"
2021-03-08T23:16:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> do you guys think a book that likely only contains ANSI, K&R and C89 would still be useful as an introduction?
2021-03-08T23:16:38 #kisslinux <necromansy> yes
2021-03-08T23:16:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> i imagine c99 would be a lot easier to learn after the basics
2021-03-08T23:16:47 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ehh
2021-03-08T23:16:55 #kisslinux <necromansy> i mean style is quite diff
2021-03-08T23:17:03 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Reading it is a good idea, but I'm not sure it should be a first
2021-03-08T23:17:03 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i never use bool, it's only advantage is to make the intent explicit
2021-03-08T23:17:05 #kisslinux <necromansy> but the fundamentals are good?
2021-03-08T23:17:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, fundamentals are all I care about
2021-03-08T23:17:18 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: readability, and opens the window for optimizations.
2021-03-08T23:17:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> formatting can be changed later on
2021-03-08T23:17:33 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl: how much can you optimize something like that?
2021-03-08T23:17:41 #kisslinux <kiedtl> necromansy: I honestly don't know, I'm just parroting advice from others. I've never read K&R myself
2021-03-08T23:17:54 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: /shrug :)
2021-03-08T23:17:59 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-03-08T23:18:14 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> there are probably better introductions than K&R
2021-03-08T23:18:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> A Bulgarian friend of mine is reading K&R for his college course and he's said it's pretty decent
2021-03-08T23:18:34 #kisslinux <kiedtl> also, use stdbool in conjunction with _Bool, acheam. (for true/false constants instead of 0 and 1)
2021-03-08T23:18:45 #kisslinux <kiedtl> s|true/false|false/true|
2021-03-08T23:19:09 #kisslinux <acheam> hmmm hthanks kiedtl
2021-03-08T23:19:15 #kisslinux <E5ten> eh, I like a lot of c99 stuff, but don't really care for stdbool that much, just feels unnecessary
2021-03-08T23:19:25 #kisslinux <acheam> also, do I need to put "void" if my function doesn't take any arguments
2021-03-08T23:19:30 #kisslinux <E5ten> yeah
2021-03-08T23:19:33 #kisslinux <kiedtl> what would you use, though? E5ten
2021-03-08T23:19:42 #kisslinux <E5ten> just like an int or char or whatever and 0 and 1
2021-03-08T23:19:42 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: as the return type or in between the parens?
2021-03-08T23:19:44 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah you need to explicitly type things
2021-03-08T23:19:49 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl: between parens
2021-03-08T23:19:49 #kisslinux <E5ten> parens
2021-03-08T23:19:54 #kisslinux <kiedtl> it's not necessary
2021-03-08T23:19:59 #kisslinux <kiedtl> but you can if you want to
2021-03-08T23:20:01 #kisslinux <acheam> GCC isn't complaining about it
2021-03-08T23:20:02 #kisslinux <necromansy> oh
2021-03-08T23:20:11 #kisslinux <E5ten> it is necessary for c99
2021-03-08T23:20:22 #kisslinux <kiedtl> It is? I wasn't aware of that.
2021-03-08T23:20:23 #kisslinux <E5ten> which like, if you can, should be what you aim to be compatible with
2021-03-08T23:20:30 #kisslinux <kiedtl> huh
2021-03-08T23:20:37 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> this book is probably quite decent https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12475383
2021-03-08T23:20:43 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> "learn C the hard way"
2021-03-08T23:20:56 #kisslinux <E5ten> if you don't put void for no params, in c99 or below, it is unspecified what parameters the func takes
2021-03-08T23:21:02 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> the author is famous for his rant on ruby
2021-03-08T23:21:08 #kisslinux <E5ten> so like func(x, y) would be valid even though it shouldn't take parameters
2021-03-08T23:21:16 #kisslinux <acheam> interesting
2021-03-08T23:21:20 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks E5ten
2021-03-08T23:21:48 #kisslinux <acheam> C is fun, but man is is not fun at all
2021-03-08T23:21:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> are you sure you need to explicitly type functions as void?
2021-03-08T23:22:27 #kisslinux <E5ten> do you mean return type or in between parens to indicate no parameters?
2021-03-08T23:22:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> Both.
2021-03-08T23:22:50 #kisslinux <E5ten> well obviously you need to explicitly type the function void if it doesn't return anything
2021-03-08T23:22:55 #kisslinux <E5ten> and for parens I just explained
2021-03-08T23:23:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> because out of curiosity I just wrote a hello world program whose function doesn't return anything and isn't typed, and it compiles and executes without problems. but, meh
2021-03-08T23:23:47 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> correct. musl actually uses the empty parens trick for some ugly funcs in its headers
2021-03-08T23:23:52 #kisslinux <E5ten> no this is like a conformance thing, not a "this will break" thing
2021-03-08T23:24:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> Oh, weird. GCC doesn't even spit out warnings about it
2021-03-08T23:24:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> re AES128, what would I do instead :thinking:
2021-03-08T23:24:16 #kisslinux <E5ten> what flags did you compile with?
2021-03-08T23:24:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> None
2021-03-08T23:24:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> why anything more involved lol
2021-03-08T23:24:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> I literally just passed gcc hw.c and ran the resulting binary
2021-03-08T23:24:36 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-03-08T23:25:12 #kisslinux <E5ten> it matters for declarations, because something can use that declaration and call the function with parameters
2021-03-08T23:25:55 #kisslinux <E5ten> so like e.g., function is declared (but defined elsewhere) as "int func()", now something in this other source file can call "func(x, y)" and that's not invalid
2021-03-08T23:26:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> Fair enough
2021-03-08T23:27:24 #kisslinux <dgre> chacha20 dilyn
2021-03-08T23:27:25 #kisslinux <dgre> ^_^
2021-03-08T23:27:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> I just interpreted what you said originally as an immutable rule
2021-03-08T23:27:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> my bad
2021-03-08T23:28:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/netslum/
2021-03-08T23:28:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> i love how even almost two decades ago people were like "man the internet fucking sucks now"
2021-03-08T23:29:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> chacha real smooth
2021-03-08T23:32:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> you know what
2021-03-08T23:32:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm gonna go set up a local ftp server
2021-03-08T23:33:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> i haven't done anything productive today and I think that would be enough to assuage my conscience
2021-03-08T23:34:40 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> midfavila, https://1lib.nl/book/5274724/17eb71
2021-03-08T23:35:09 #kisslinux <dgre> hmmm
2021-03-08T23:35:35 #kisslinux <dgre> lol i already have that book
2021-03-08T23:35:39 #kisslinux <dgre> midfavila: https://newarcitea.neocities.org/
2021-03-08T23:37:03 #kisslinux <dgre> i commit readage
2021-03-08T23:37:08 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> "Transform Yourself: A Guide to Self-Improvement. Remove your genitals."
2021-03-08T23:38:01 #kisslinux <dgre> LOL
2021-03-08T23:38:09 #kisslinux <dgre> Fitting for today's google doodle
2021-03-08T23:42:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> hmmm dgre did that do it for you
2021-03-08T23:42:32 #kisslinux <dgre> how so
2021-03-08T23:42:43 #kisslinux <dgre> well
2021-03-08T23:44:55 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> dgre, are you the man behind the nuegia browser ?
2021-03-08T23:45:16 #kisslinux <dgre> I wish :P
2021-03-08T23:45:30 #kisslinux <dgre> sh4rm4^bnc: but I know the guy behind it, have you conversed with him yet?
2021-03-08T23:45:39 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> nope
2021-03-08T23:45:46 #kisslinux <dgre> humm
2021-03-08T23:45:52 #kisslinux <dgre> i would love to see that browser in sabotage ^_^
2021-03-08T23:45:54 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> but i managed to get palemoon to compile from source
2021-03-08T23:46:01 #kisslinux <dgre> in sabo?
2021-03-08T23:46:05 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> and use it daily
2021-03-08T23:46:08 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> yeah
2021-03-08T23:46:13 #kisslinux <dgre> awesome
2021-03-08T23:46:19 #kisslinux <dgre> i did see the patches
2021-03-08T23:46:29 #kisslinux <dgre> i should give sabo another spin soon
2021-03-08T23:47:41 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> does the "webbrowser" author hang out on IRC ?
2021-03-08T23:48:09 #kisslinux <dgre> i don't know if he is on freenode
2021-03-08T23:48:20 #kisslinux <dgre> he has XMPP and email for sure
2021-03-08T23:48:30 #kisslinux <dgre> tom at nuegia
2021-03-08T23:51:09 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> ok, btw your arcitea link is actually quite interesting
2021-03-08T23:51:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> thanks for the reading material guys
2021-03-08T23:51:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> for now though I have to get my modem and router to talk to each other properly
2021-03-08T23:51:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> will check it out later
2021-03-08T23:54:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> are you kidding me https://1lib.us/book/3297964/720943 i spent like $200 on this textbook :|
2021-03-08T23:55:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> dgre: i meant the cert lol
2021-03-08T23:55:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> the capitalist pigs win again
2021-03-08T23:55:18 #kisslinux <dgre> oh let me take a look
2021-03-08T23:55:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> caddyfile documentation is... lacking...
2021-03-08T23:55:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe next time, komrad dilyn
2021-03-08T23:55:43 #kisslinux <dgre> still a sameburger
2021-03-08T23:55:48 #kisslinux <dgre> i use nginx
2021-03-08T23:56:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> ya ne govorou pa ruskii
2021-03-08T23:56:13 #kisslinux <dgre> i did this
2021-03-08T23:56:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> hrm. everyone loves nginx
2021-03-08T23:56:16 #kisslinux <dgre> courtesy of tom
2021-03-08T23:56:19 #kisslinux <dgre> cat snippets/perfecttls.conf
2021-03-08T23:56:19 #kisslinux <dgre> ssl_protocols TLSv1.2;
2021-03-08T23:56:19 #kisslinux <dgre> # ssl_ciphers 'AES256+EECDH:AES256+EDH:!aNULL';
2021-03-08T23:56:19 #kisslinux <dgre> ssl_ciphers 'ECDHE+CHACHA20:ECDHE+AESGCM+AES256:EDH+AESGCM+AES256:!aNULL';
2021-03-08T23:56:19 #kisslinux <dgre> ssl_prefer_server_ciphers on;
2021-03-08T23:56:19 #kisslinux <dgre> ssl_ecdh_curve 'X25519:secp521r1:secp384r1';
2021-03-08T23:56:19 #kisslinux <dgre> ssl_stapling on;
2021-03-08T23:56:20 #kisslinux <dgre> ssl_stapling_verify on;
2021-03-08T23:56:20 #kisslinux <dgre> ssl_session_tickets off;
2021-03-08T23:56:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> man I'm really struggling to channel the two weeks of CCNA and Net+ my college taught me
2021-03-08T23:56:21 #kisslinux <dgre> ssl_session_cache off;
2021-03-08T23:56:21 #kisslinux <dgre> # ssl_buffer_size 1400; #is this even need if MSS clamping is used?
2021-03-08T23:56:22 #kisslinux <dgre> add_header Strict-Transport-Security "max-age=63072000; includeSubDomains; preload";
2021-03-08T23:56:22 #kisslinux <dgre> ssl_dhparam '/etc/ssl/private/dhparam.pem';
2021-03-08T23:56:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> dude wtf
2021-03-08T23:56:27 #kisslinux <dgre> oops
2021-03-08T23:56:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> 0x0.st next time
2021-03-08T23:56:29 #kisslinux <dgre> multiline
2021-03-08T23:56:32 #kisslinux <dgre> sorry :D
2021-03-08T23:56:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmfaoooooo
2021-03-08T23:56:37 #kisslinux <dgre> xmpp does have multiline :)))
2021-03-08T23:56:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> tryna COMPLAIN over here
2021-03-08T23:56:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> come ON my man
2021-03-08T23:56:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> >:CCCCCCCCC
2021-03-08T23:56:51 #kisslinux <dgre> Sorry bro
2021-03-08T23:56:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> no apologies, only gulag
2021-03-08T23:57:01 #kisslinux <dgre> That is a handy config btw
2021-03-08T23:57:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> see caddy says you just need tls { ciphers $CIPHER }
2021-03-08T23:57:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> no perogi for you
2021-03-08T23:57:12 #kisslinux <dgre> Ok
2021-03-08T23:57:19 #kisslinux <dgre> Then give it 'ECDHE+CHACHA20:ECDHE+AESGCM+AES256:EDH+AESGCM+AES256:!aNULL'
2021-03-08T23:57:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> but that ain't it, so I nested it inside $domain { $stuff tls { ciphers $cipher }}
2021-03-08T23:57:41 #kisslinux <dgre> If caddy is following the openssl format of course
2021-03-08T23:58:05 #kisslinux <dgre> midfavila: I was told to copy an essay's worth of Visual Basic technobabble by hand on my notebook
2021-03-08T23:58:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> disgusting
2021-03-08T23:58:23 #kisslinux <dgre> gotta turn it in tomorrow
2021-03-08T23:58:51 #kisslinux <dgre> I think a Visual Basic piece of paper is more useless than paperweight
2021-03-08T23:58:56 #kisslinux <dgre> it may as well just be counted as air
2021-03-08T23:59:09 #kisslinux <dgre> No, air you can at least breath
2021-03-08T23:59:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> wait are you learning VBasic in post-secondary?
2021-03-08T23:59:17 #kisslinux <dgre> No
2021-03-08T23:59:22 #kisslinux <dgre> They're not even telling us to learn it
2021-03-08T23:59:25 #kisslinux <dgre> Just to write this down for no reason at all
2021-03-08T23:59:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> . -.
2021-03-08T23:59:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> sounds like a boomer moment
2021-03-08T23:59:48 #kisslinux <dgre> And when they made us '''learn''' SQL it was just use the graphic M$ interface
2021-03-08T23:59:56 #kisslinux <dgre> This is a circa 40 year old woman teaching us midfavila