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2019-10-11T00:16:15 #kisslinux <tracer> So, Grub works, finally. I guess it were many stupid mistakes by me, not problem of VM or KISS.
2019-10-11T02:18:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> tracer: Nic
2019-10-11T02:18:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Nice*
2019-10-11T02:19:19 #kisslinux <tracer> Yes. Currently I'm on setting up openssh and network. Guess I'll borrow init script from LFS. But it is a lot of fun :)
2019-10-11T02:32:20 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> That's the idea :P
2019-10-11T02:34:41 #kisslinux <tracer> It will take a while, but I think I'll play with the pastebin stuff in the next days. More fun than the work that needs to be done … However, can wait a few days. Must build a init script for fiche. But not today anymore.
2019-10-11T02:37:10 #kisslinux <tracer> Oh. dylanaraps
2019-10-11T02:37:16 #kisslinux <tracer> -> xorgproto Checksum mismatch
2019-10-11T02:37:16 #kisslinux <tracer> !> Checksum mismatch with: xorgproto
2019-10-11T03:02:24 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> tracer: Fixed
2019-10-11T03:03:21 #kisslinux <tracer> thx
2019-10-11T03:15:37 #kisslinux <tracer> Shit. I tried VBox 6.1 Beta, that crashed right after starting, reinstalled 6.0,12, that crashes after 2-3 Minuten. Guess I'll try something else tomorrow. If anything fails, I try Parallels.
2019-10-11T04:07:53 #kisslinux <tracer^afk> I'll go to bed now. Have converted VBox VM to Parallels. However, last crash of VBox was during the build phase of vom. Now it's broken, after kiss u kiss tries to rebuild it, but it complains about checksum error. I could remove it, but checksum error stays. co later.
2019-10-11T05:54:45 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The website is now built solely using pandoc. https://getkiss.org/
2019-10-11T06:37:20 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > For me to install Neofetch right now on Fedora Silverblue would pull in almost 100 extra packages. No thanks.
2019-10-11T06:37:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Future of the Linux Desktop.
2019-10-11T10:53:18 #kisslinux <Woodi> Future of the Linux Desktop Hijacking.
2019-10-11T17:23:45 #kisslinux <kissuser> I built a package... In the manifests and in the archive i see the path i want: /usr/share/emacs/26.3/etc/charsets But kiss doesnt install it. In the source i read: rsync --chown=root:root -WhHKa --no-compress "$1" --exclude etc I think, that's the reason. So - did i found a bug?
2019-10-11T17:26:53 #kisslinux <tracer> I'm sorry, can't help, myself new to kiss, but I also have problems building packages, "install" and post-install are not honored. Guess we'll have to wait until dylanaraps is online again.
2019-10-11T17:29:07 #kisslinux <kissuser> What do you think. Should i open an issue on github?
2019-10-11T19:28:51 #kisslinux <tracer> I don't know, I guess they will read it here as well.
2019-10-11T19:36:52 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I wrote a window manager loosely based on catwm today: https://github.com/dylanaraps/sowm
2019-10-11T19:37:57 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> -> du -sh sowm
2019-10-11T19:37:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 28.0K sowm
2019-10-11T19:41:54 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> catwm reminds me of dwm
2019-10-11T19:43:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> monsterwm is closer me thinks
2019-10-11T19:43:12 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's also based on catwm
2019-10-11T19:43:18 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> Well, suckless software more generally.
2019-10-11T19:43:24 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> config.h and the coding style.
2019-10-11T19:43:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Well it's based on something that was based on catwm :P
2019-10-11T19:43:38 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> oh. dwm is based on catwm?
2019-10-11T19:44:00 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> no no
2019-10-11T19:44:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> monsterwm is
2019-10-11T19:44:09 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> ah.
2019-10-11T19:44:17 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> I figured dwm was first.
2019-10-11T19:44:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> dunno, catwm is quite old too.
2019-10-11T19:44:42 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > July 14, 2006
2019-10-11T19:44:46 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> (dwm)
2019-10-11T19:45:10 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > 24.02.10
2019-10-11T19:45:12 #kisslinux <tracer> hello
2019-10-11T19:45:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> (catwm)
2019-10-11T19:45:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ello
2019-10-11T19:45:30 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> yo
2019-10-11T19:45:39 #kisslinux <tracer> dylanaraps: Dis you read the chat? I tried to build my first package, but there are problems :-(
2019-10-11T19:46:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I haven't sorry. Been busy writing a wm.
2019-10-11T19:46:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Looking now.
2019-10-11T19:46:35 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I fixed the 'etc' bug.
2019-10-11T19:46:52 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > I'm sorry, can't help, myself new to kiss, but I also have problems building packages, "install" and post-install are not honored. Guess we'll have to wait until dylanaraps is online again.
2019-10-11T19:46:53 #kisslinux <tracer> Year, just read that you did that. Why? Just because it's small? Your OpenBox Theme looks great.
2019-10-11T19:47:35 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Fitting all of the functionality I need and understanding the underlying code is fun.
2019-10-11T19:47:47 #kisslinux <tracer> valid point :-)
2019-10-11T19:47:53 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> C is fun too. :P
2019-10-11T19:48:01 #kisslinux <retard> whoa
2019-10-11T19:48:05 #kisslinux <retard> this looks rad dylanaraps
2019-10-11T19:48:41 #kisslinux <tracer> What do you mean by "floating only"?
2019-10-11T19:48:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> No tiling
2019-10-11T19:48:49 #kisslinux <retard> damn
2019-10-11T19:48:52 #kisslinux <retard> yeah
2019-10-11T19:48:56 #kisslinux <retard> this is interesting as hell
2019-10-11T19:48:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I still need to implement cursor focus.
2019-10-11T19:49:16 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Right now it's Alt-tab based focus.
2019-10-11T19:49:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Workspaces, fullscreen and everything else is done.
2019-10-11T19:50:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It deals with Firefox and GTK dialogs fine too (thank god)
2019-10-11T19:50:54 #kisslinux <tracer> dylanaraps: do the repos have priority? Can I given it to them? Say, I want to build another version of a package in an official repo, can that be done without breaking everything?
2019-10-11T19:51:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yes
2019-10-11T19:51:12 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> Looks like sowm is MIT, but it's based on GPL catwm
2019-10-11T19:51:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Just add your own repository before the official ones in $KISS_PATH.
2019-10-11T19:51:32 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I forked it directly. HM
2019-10-11T19:51:35 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Will fix.
2019-10-11T19:51:43 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://github.com/pyknite/catwm
2019-10-11T19:51:45 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This source.
2019-10-11T19:51:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Says MIT.
2019-10-11T19:51:52 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> Unless catwm isn't gpl anymore.
2019-10-11T19:51:53 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> huh. ok.
2019-10-11T19:52:00 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The other catwm is newer.
2019-10-11T19:52:10 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This is the original which is MIT licensed.
2019-10-11T19:52:19 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> (And the one I forked)
2019-10-11T19:52:45 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> I saw an issue on monsterwm about it, so I'm guessing it used to be GPL, but is now MIT.
2019-10-11T19:52:55 #kisslinux <tracer> Ok, thx. I starte building my own base, but want to stay compatible to Kiss repos, and stuff from that KissD link you gave to me. I definitly want to get rid of busybox and musl, but stay miles away from gtk and systemd.
2019-10-11T19:53:16 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yeah
2019-10-11T19:53:31 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> I was hoping sowm would be in shell. :()
2019-10-11T19:53:35 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> :(
2019-10-11T19:53:57 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It'd be possible with ctypes.sh and bash but you'd then be megabytes in size.
2019-10-11T19:54:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This is only 24k
2019-10-11T19:54:38 #kisslinux <retard> dylanaraps: how do i move windows about the screen
2019-10-11T19:54:40 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> It's not the right tool, but it would have been entertaining.
2019-10-11T19:54:59 #kisslinux <retard> or is that implemented
2019-10-11T19:55:07 #kisslinux <retard> i know there are outside tools that can do it
2019-10-11T19:55:19 #kisslinux <retard> from messing with nowm
2019-10-11T19:55:28 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Windows key + mouse
2019-10-11T19:55:30 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ;)
2019-10-11T19:55:41 #kisslinux <retard> i could swear i tried that
2019-10-11T19:55:42 #kisslinux <retard> thanks
2019-10-11T19:55:49 #kisslinux <retard> i was reading the code and just derping out i guess
2019-10-11T19:55:53 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Alt + tab for focus right now.
2019-10-11T19:55:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Win + d for dmenu
2019-10-11T19:56:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Win + return for st
2019-10-11T19:56:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Win + {shift} + [0-9] for workspaces
2019-10-11T19:56:35 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Win + q to close a window
2019-10-11T19:56:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Win + f for fullscreen toggle
2019-10-11T19:56:51 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Win + c to center a window
2019-10-11T19:56:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> That's the gist of it.
2019-10-11T19:57:24 #kisslinux <retard> this is sick
2019-10-11T19:57:41 #kisslinux * tracer is happy to have no Win-Key :-)
2019-10-11T19:58:47 #kisslinux <retard> i respect this a lot for what it is
2019-10-11T19:58:52 #kisslinux <retard> very promising
2019-10-11T19:58:55 #kisslinux <retard> like
2019-10-11T19:59:15 #kisslinux <retard> you can argue about details of habit, but this is a very stripped down and cool project
2019-10-11T19:59:33 #kisslinux <retard> i've been a tiling guy, but i get this
2019-10-11T19:59:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> That's the idea. It's already smaller than catwm.
2019-10-11T19:59:49 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> :P
2019-10-11T20:01:01 #kisslinux <retard> what's your plan for resizing
2019-10-11T20:01:09 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Mouse
2019-10-11T20:01:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> and fullscreen toggle
2019-10-11T20:02:35 #kisslinux <retard> very very nice
2019-10-11T20:02:45 #kisslinux <retard> maybe left mousekey to resize
2019-10-11T20:02:54 #kisslinux <retard> just spitballing
2019-10-11T20:02:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's right key for resize right now.
2019-10-11T20:03:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> With Win key.
2019-10-11T20:03:14 #kisslinux <retard> i thought that was move
2019-10-11T20:03:15 #kisslinux <retard> god damn it
2019-10-11T20:03:16 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Left click to move with Win key too.
2019-10-11T20:03:25 #kisslinux <retard> black terminal on black background, let me xsetbg
2019-10-11T20:03:30 #kisslinux <retard> sry
2019-10-11T20:04:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Win + w can be customized to do wallpapers.
2019-10-11T20:08:20 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> brb testing focus
2019-10-11T20:10:23 #kisslinux <retard> whoa
2019-10-11T20:10:24 #kisslinux <retard> okay
2019-10-11T20:10:52 #kisslinux <retard> i did xsetroot -solid HotPink and now i finally get what's going on
2019-10-11T20:11:43 #kisslinux <retard> i'm a long-time dwm user
2019-10-11T20:11:56 #kisslinux <retard> my friend has patched the shit out of dwm to make it function almost exactly like this
2019-10-11T20:12:42 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> I use i3 to avoid having to learn something new. :)
2019-10-11T20:12:56 #kisslinux <retard> shit
2019-10-11T20:13:02 #kisslinux <retard> i feel like backseating this thing
2019-10-11T20:13:08 #kisslinux <retard> i should probably start hacking on it
2019-10-11T20:13:09 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> backseating?
2019-10-11T20:13:35 #kisslinux <retard> yeah i mess around with it and keep being like "why not use the same modifier for literally everything"
2019-10-11T20:13:49 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> ah. makes sense now.
2019-10-11T20:14:24 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> I've been running into modifier trouble lately as a person who occasionally uses emacs in a tiling WM in a VM in a tiling WM.
2019-10-11T20:15:02 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> my host WM uses win key. my VM WM uses alt. emacs is left struggling.
2019-10-11T20:16:11 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> It can be solved pretty easily by distinguishing right alt from left alt and using mod3, but that requires working with modmap.
2019-10-11T20:18:29 #kisslinux <retard> i get you
2019-10-11T20:18:51 #kisslinux <retard> i use a funky xmodmap where i disable caps lock and change it into a modifier
2019-10-11T20:19:32 #kisslinux <retard> in order to have a standard us layout but add back characters like öøßë
2019-10-11T20:19:34 #kisslinux <retard> etc
2019-10-11T20:21:46 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> I tried doing that, but my host is wayland, and I've had issues with capslock remapping. It seems to have the concept of a toggle built in. I'm using capslock to switch keyboards in the host anyway.
2019-10-11T20:23:14 #kisslinux <retard> i do stuff like
2019-10-11T20:23:25 #kisslinux <retard> clear lock
2019-10-11T20:23:25 #kisslinux <retard> keycode 66 = Mode_switch
2019-10-11T20:23:32 #kisslinux <retard> then for instance
2019-10-11T20:23:39 #kisslinux <retard> keycode 38 = a A adiaeresis Adiaeresis
2019-10-11T20:24:18 #kisslinux <E5ten> I use icewm, used to use openbox and I still would but it's so many GNOME lib deps and those are gross
2019-10-11T20:25:34 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> Yeah. I have my second keyboad as its own xkb layout and caps is a toggle. I wanted it to swap keyboards while holding down caps, but that didn't seem to work.
2019-10-11T20:28:26 #kisslinux <retard> i believe
2019-10-11T20:28:38 #kisslinux <retard> echo clear lock | xmodmap -
2019-10-11T20:28:40 #kisslinux <retard> would fix that
2019-10-11T20:29:04 #kisslinux <retard> not sure how you'd do it with just the xkb layout
2019-10-11T20:33:34 #kisslinux <E5ten> There should be a yearly award for "worst software" but instead of being chosen yearly it's pre-determined to be libtool for the rest of eternity
2019-10-11T20:34:01 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> Right. Since it's wayland, no xmodmap. yay.
2019-10-11T20:34:32 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> I did wayland thinking it would be more KISS than X, but it doesn't feel like it.
2019-10-11T20:35:36 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> Isn't X at risk of not having any maintainers though?
2019-10-11T20:45:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> retard: done
2019-10-11T20:45:10 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Cursor focus works :P
2019-10-11T20:45:38 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Rounded corners up next.
2019-10-11T20:50:41 #kisslinux <retard> awesome :D
2019-10-11T20:59:40 #kisslinux <tracer> Her sowm is unusable, cursor jumps around, randomly selecting text in konsole.
2019-10-11T21:01:38 #kisslinux <retard> are you running it inside a different wm?
2019-10-11T21:03:00 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Rounded corners work :D
2019-10-11T21:03:16 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://u.teknik.io/RZPAX.jpg
2019-10-11T21:03:17 #kisslinux <tracer> no, just a .xinit with konsole & and next line sowm
2019-10-11T21:03:42 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> One little bug to fix.
2019-10-11T21:04:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> tracer: I may need to handle another event.
2019-10-11T21:04:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Some applications fail to capture their focus properly.
2019-10-11T21:04:46 #kisslinux <tracer> Should I try an xterm instead?
2019-10-11T21:05:30 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Try it
2019-10-11T21:05:38 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> That'll at least prove me right/wrong.
2019-10-11T21:06:49 #kisslinux <tracer> Must emerge it, wait …
2019-10-11T21:09:08 #kisslinux <tracer> It'll take it time, one VM compiles LLVM, the next glibs, and now there xterm with dependencies. I need an iron with more power :-)
2019-10-11T21:12:44 #kisslinux <tracer> Right after the start it looked good, but then again: jumping unconditionally around.
2019-10-11T21:16:18 #kisslinux <tracer> OK, itÄs not your fault, now the same problem with openbox. Must be something else broken.
2019-10-11T21:21:31 #kisslinux <tracer> Is there no x terminal in the KISS repos?
2019-10-11T21:29:49 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Rounded corners need optimization badly.
2019-10-11T21:29:57 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> They're a no go for now.
2019-10-11T21:30:41 #kisslinux <tracer> dylanaraps: Have a minute for me?
2019-10-11T21:30:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Sure
2019-10-11T21:31:51 #kisslinux <tracer> 2 Things. 1) I housed my testinall. After installing glibc I get permission denied for every command, Did you experience that problem? 2) My second KISS now has X running, is there a terminal in the repos?
2019-10-11T21:32:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 2) 'st' and 'rxvt-unicode'.
2019-10-11T21:32:57 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 1) Did you install glibc directly on top of the kiss-chroot.tar.xz?
2019-10-11T21:33:37 #kisslinux <tracer> Yes. No good idea as it looks.
2019-10-11T21:35:35 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> That's why.
2019-10-11T21:36:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You need to build a new KISS chroot based on glibc/gnu coreutils or use a KISSD tarball.
2019-10-11T21:36:50 #kisslinux <tracer> OK, I'll try that later, now look to get X11 up on the other machine, that is more important.
2019-10-11T21:52:24 #kisslinux <tracer> Where can I find the kissD Tar?
2019-10-11T21:53:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://github.com/fanboimsft/kissD/releases
2019-10-11T21:53:24 #kisslinux <tracer> thx
2019-10-11T22:06:59 #kisslinux <HiddenOne> hello
2019-10-11T22:07:05 #kisslinux <HiddenOne> I noticed the new website
2019-10-11T22:07:15 #kisslinux <HiddenOne> I like it, less really is more.
2019-10-11T22:11:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Thanks!
2019-10-11T23:04:10 #kisslinux <HiddenOne> hey I've never done anything with the kernel before... I was following the guide here: https://getkiss.org/pages/install, and when it gets to the part about configuring and building the kernel should I follow the links on the website to the gentoo wiki, and kernel newbies(etc.), or should I follow the steps after on the website? or both? I feel like it is giving me options with the websites, but it is telling me afterwards
2019-10-11T23:04:10 #kisslinux <HiddenOne> how to configure and build the kernel. I'm currently doing kiss build, which should I do when that finishes?
2019-10-11T23:06:32 #kisslinux <tracer> Hi, You need at first build a kernel, then procede in the manual.
2019-10-11T23:08:28 #kisslinux <HiddenOne> thanks.
2019-10-11T23:26:16 #kisslinux <E5ten> Oh my god the testimonials page is fantastic lol
2019-10-11T23:27:52 #kisslinux <HiddenOne> "Oh this touches something deep in me."