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2019-10-09T06:20:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> axpira: A kernel module?
2019-10-09T07:10:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Oh boy
2019-10-09T07:10:42 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> New Firefox beta
2019-10-09T08:52:40 #kisslinux <axira> @dylanaraps Yes, a kernel module
2019-10-09T09:03:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You can add a line to your /etc/inittab. 2 secs.
2019-10-09T09:05:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Edit your /etc/inittab and add '::sysinit:/path/to/script'.
2019-10-09T09:05:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The script should be a shell script with 'modprobe module'.
2019-10-09T09:05:43 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> '#!/bin/sh' + 'modprobe module'.
2019-10-09T09:05:51 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Make sure it is executable too.
2019-10-09T09:05:57 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Will add this to the FAQ on the website.
2019-10-09T09:16:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> axpira: My bad, it's: '::once:/path/to/script.sh' in your inittab.
2019-10-09T09:17:55 #kisslinux <axpira> Thanks
2019-10-09T09:18:48 #kisslinux <axpira> I booted yesterday kisslinux but the grub don't worked on my laptop, I'm using only efibootmgr
2019-10-09T09:25:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> That's always a better option if it works.
2019-10-09T10:05:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Firefox 70b13 works. :D
2019-10-09T10:05:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Be on later.
2019-10-09T14:47:15 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> New website page: https://getkiss.org/pages/testimonials/
2019-10-09T14:48:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> brb
2019-10-09T14:52:23 #kisslinux <raph_ael> fun :)
2019-10-09T14:54:02 #kisslinux <kyaaaaaa>  https://distrotest.net/?module=systems&action=list&letter=K no KISS here =/
2019-10-09T15:04:27 #kisslinux <konimex> instead of yet another script, just ::once:/bin/modprobe <module name> would also work
2019-10-09T15:04:44 #kisslinux <konimex> in /etc/inittab
2019-10-09T15:19:17 #kisslinux <qmc> Hello IRC!This is my first message in the IRC.
2019-10-09T15:22:56 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Hello!
2019-10-09T15:23:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> konimex: Good to know!
2019-10-09T15:24:23 #kisslinux <qmc> Thanks response.
2019-10-09T15:24:44 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> kyaaaaaa: KISS has no ISO image so it's difficult for DistroTest to provide a KISS instance.
2019-10-09T15:25:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> qmc: I'm happy to answer any questions you may have!
2019-10-09T15:46:46 #kisslinux <qmc_> quit
2019-10-09T15:49:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> konimex: https://gnu.support/richard-stallman/Ludovic-Court%C3%A8s-Guix-is-accusing-Stallman-of-Thoughtcrime-on-his-own-domain-GNU-org.html
2019-10-09T16:32:12 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> konimex: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/info-gnu/2019-10/msg00005.html
2019-10-09T16:32:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Message from Stallman.
2019-10-09T16:33:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Another: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/info-gnu/2019-10/msg00004.html
2019-10-09T16:56:31 #kisslinux <axpira> Thanks, konimex I'll try
2019-10-09T20:59:53 #kisslinux <tracer> Hi
2019-10-09T21:00:55 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Hello
2019-10-09T21:01:57 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'm happy to answer any questions you may have. :)
2019-10-09T21:02:26 #kisslinux <tracer> Hi dylanaraps, cool to see you at first. Found the screenshot page. What windowmanager do you use?
2019-10-09T21:03:34 #kisslinux <tracer> For now thats my only question, I like playing with linux in Vms, but I'm annoyed by gentoo as it is to unflexible, tried CRUX, but even that was not right for me, maybe KISS will fit, else I'll go back to LFS.
2019-10-09T21:04:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> That's bspwm.
2019-10-09T21:04:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It was also openbox.
2019-10-09T21:04:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I have them looking the exact same.
2019-10-09T21:04:52 #kisslinux <tracer> OK, thx. Now I'll spend some time building kiss, I'l chat in back lter, or when I might have questions.
2019-10-09T21:05:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Sounds good.
2019-10-09T21:11:54 #kisslinux <tracer> Question: "Each dependency should be listed one per line and an optional second field allows for the distinction between a compile time dependency and a run time one." I'm not sure I get it. Does that mean, in the example, perl is needed to build the package, and perl and make are required to run it, e.g. on anohter host?
2019-10-09T21:12:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 'perl make' means perl is a compile time dependency. 'perl' means it's a runtime dependency.
2019-10-09T21:13:18 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> A dependency needed at runtime may also implicitly be needed at compile time.
2019-10-09T21:13:24 #kisslinux <tracer> So, like if you build tha package on one host and install it on another one?
2019-10-09T21:14:55 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> KISS doesn't support cross-compilation (or compilation from host to guest).
2019-10-09T21:15:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> All dependencies are needed on the machine building the package prior to it being built. The package manager handles this for you.
2019-10-09T21:16:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 'kiss b firefox' for example will build and install all needed dependencies.
2019-10-09T21:16:30 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Built packages are then stored as tarballs which can be moved between hosts.
2019-10-09T21:17:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> (So long as '-march=native' was not used as a 'CFLAG'/'CXXFLAG').
2019-10-09T21:17:26 #kisslinux <tracer> Hmm. OK, I'll leave it as it is for the moment, will start diving deeper into it later.
2019-10-09T21:17:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 'kiss i /path/to/tarball' will check only for runtime dependencies.
2019-10-09T21:19:00 #kisslinux <tracer> Ah, ok, thqat was was I meant. But, in that example from the website, perl has to be installed anyway, as it is needed to build the tarball. But I could remove it later (for whatever reason)?
2019-10-09T21:20:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 'perl' marked as 'perl make' can be removed from the machine afterwards, yes.
2019-10-09T21:21:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> -> kiss l | wc -l
2019-10-09T21:21:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 130
2019-10-09T21:21:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> -> kiss l perl
2019-10-09T21:22:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> -> Package 'perl' is not installed
2019-10-09T21:22:10 #kisslinux <tracer> ok. I'll come back later with more question, I guess :) What is your local time?
2019-10-09T21:22:20 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Thu Oct 10 00:20:03 EEST 2019
2019-10-09T21:22:39 #kisslinux <tracer> OK, one hour off to me.
2019-10-09T21:24:35 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'll be on for another hour or so.
2019-10-09T21:25:30 #kisslinux <tracer> I will stay at the computer till dawn, nearly every night. Will have to fix some swift code later, but I'm currently keen on playing with KISS.
2019-10-09T21:28:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> When do you sleep? :P
2019-10-09T21:28:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'm on mornings and nights usually.
2019-10-09T21:29:29 #kisslinux <tracer> In the morningtime, usually got to bed when my wife leaves the house to go to work. Sleep about 5-8 hours, than go back to the computer. Doing things fpr fun, for money, just like it is needed.
2019-10-09T21:31:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Nice, I understand.
2019-10-09T21:33:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'm busy at random times so I squeeze in computer stuff when I'm free.
2019-10-09T21:34:38 #kisslinux <tracer> Sometime I'm out in the real world, too :) But at an certain age you don't want to be out every night. So, I glimpsed through the website, will start installation soon. Found the first three point I want to modify for me ^^
2019-10-09T21:37:45 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yeah, I understand.
2019-10-09T21:40:50 #kisslinux <tracer> Ah OK, bash is in the community repo, cool.
2019-10-09T21:41:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> -> grep bash */*/depends
2019-10-09T21:41:38 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> extra/go/depends:bash make
2019-10-09T21:42:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 'go' is the only package which requires 'bash' in the official repositories and I've been meaning to move 'go' to community.
2019-10-09T21:43:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'll look into removing this 'bash' dependency from 'go' too.
2019-10-09T21:43:38 #kisslinux <tracer> Why?
2019-10-09T21:44:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> If 'go' stays in the official repositories I'd like for it to not depend on anything outside of the official repositories.
2019-10-09T21:44:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The other alternative is to move 'go' to community as nothing depends on it.
2019-10-09T21:44:53 #kisslinux <tracer> Ah, OK. Never used go before. Do so many KISS users need go?
2019-10-09T21:45:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Not that I know of, no.
2019-10-09T21:46:19 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I want to keep the official repositories small and maintainable basically.
2019-10-09T21:46:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Anything non-essential should be in community.
2019-10-09T21:47:33 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> OK. It turns out that go's build script is already 99% POSIX sh.
2019-10-09T21:47:38 #kisslinux <tracer> OK. I'll want to try to have a look at a running system first, than begin modifying.  I'll clone an arch linux VM to start with to bootstrap KISS.
2019-10-09T22:53:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'm working on a simpler version of the website: https://getkiss.org/new/
2019-10-09T22:53:35 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Thoughts thus far?
2019-10-09T22:55:06 #kisslinux <konimex> looks too... Stallman-ish
2019-10-09T22:55:43 #kisslinux <konimex> I dig that unicode art though
2019-10-09T22:55:55 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Screenshot from your machine?
2019-10-09T22:56:29 #kisslinux <konimex> on mobile currently so cannot provide full-width
2019-10-09T22:56:41 #kisslinux <konimex> but I'll see it from a computer later
2019-10-09T22:56:49 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Mobile view would be nice too.
2019-10-09T22:57:56 #kisslinux <tracer> On no, the current is much better, besides the frames. Keep the current version, a big div on the left, with dark background, and second div on the right with current content. Use php and include the file.
2019-10-09T22:58:30 #kisslinux <konimex> > use php
2019-10-09T22:58:35 #kisslinux <konimex> yeah impossible dawg
2019-10-09T22:59:00 #kisslinux <konimex> jekyll doesn't support it, iirc?
2019-10-09T22:59:16 #kisslinux <tracer> What's jekyll?
2019-10-09T22:59:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This website is just HTML/CSS.
2019-10-09T22:59:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Which is "built" from markdown files.
2019-10-09T22:59:45 #kisslinux <konimex> https://i.imgur.com/OYBquLt.jpg
2019-10-09T22:59:51 #kisslinux <tracer> You can easily tranfser it to php, or even better php and smarty.
2019-10-09T22:59:51 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I have a single HTML template in which the "compiled" markdown is inserted.
2019-10-09T22:59:51 #kisslinux <konimex> from mobile perspective
2019-10-09T23:00:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I much prefer strict HTML/CSS.
2019-10-09T23:01:09 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> No Javascript ever.
2019-10-09T23:01:38 #kisslinux <tracer> php has nothing to do with javascript.
2019-10-09T23:01:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I know.
2019-10-09T23:01:52 #kisslinux <tracer> Even SSI would make easier …
2019-10-09T23:02:00 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Easier how?
2019-10-09T23:02:16 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'll also note that this is hosted for free and it's entirely static.
2019-10-09T23:02:30 #kisslinux <konimex> wew, that gnu.support site is... something
2019-10-09T23:02:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> There's no backend and nothing dynamic.
2019-10-09T23:02:39 #kisslinux <konimex> haven't heard any "buzz" around it though
2019-10-09T23:02:44 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> konimex: Oh yeah
2019-10-09T23:03:15 #kisslinux <tracer> If you need webaspace, that will be no problem at all.
2019-10-09T23:03:44 #kisslinux <konimex> the hell is a webaspace...
2019-10-09T23:03:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I don't see why the website needs to be anything other than static HTML pages.
2019-10-09T23:03:50 #kisslinux <tracer> https://imgur.com/a/bV7bpzg
2019-10-09T23:04:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Each page is self contained too. If you download the .html file you have the entirety of the page, no "dependencies" on anything remote or server-side.
2019-10-09T23:04:40 #kisslinux <tracer> The site can stil be static html, but with php you can build is easily like the current site, but without frames.
2019-10-09T23:05:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Frames?
2019-10-09T23:05:05 #kisslinux <tracer> That can be done with css.
2019-10-09T23:06:59 #kisslinux <konimex> honestly, php just overcomplicate things when the site is generated
2019-10-09T23:07:56 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Every page is a single HTTP request too (excluding the screenshots page of course).
2019-10-09T23:09:37 #kisslinux <tracer> I try to look at the code, but it's no fun, no linebreaks. So, take it or leave it, if you need webspace with all features incl. php and databases just say a word. Just wanted to say that the first version looked better, the new one looks so 80ies.
2019-10-09T23:10:29 #kisslinux <konimex> because the "user" doesn't interface with the html at all, I guess, so the linebreak isn't really needed
2019-10-09T23:10:49 #kisslinux <konimex> do you think dylan edits the html files one by one?
2019-10-09T23:10:56 #kisslinux <tracer> How ist that page generated? "<meta content="width=device-width"name=viewport>" <= thats nonsense
2019-10-09T23:11:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's to minimize the size of the resulting files. I appreciate the offer regardless. :)
2019-10-09T23:11:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I minify by hand.
2019-10-09T23:11:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Tools only get you so far.
2019-10-09T23:11:29 #kisslinux <tracer> You take care of roughly 400 Bytes? really?
2019-10-09T23:11:38 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yes
2019-10-09T23:11:52 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It adds up.
2019-10-09T23:12:06 #kisslinux <tracer> c'mon? 400 Linebreaks?
2019-10-09T23:12:47 #kisslinux <tracer> Nervermind, you just asked, i gave my though, I'll now continue bootstrapping KISS.
2019-10-09T23:13:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> :P
2019-10-09T23:15:32 #kisslinux <tracer> BTW, if you care about standards … https://validator.w3.org/nu/?doc=https%3A%2F%2Fgetkiss.org%2F.  God sake that browsers are so tolerant ^^
2019-10-09T23:16:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Fixed.
2019-10-09T23:16:52 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yeah, I've been keeping to standards. I guess a few slipped through.
2019-10-09T23:18:11 #kisslinux <tracer> Most of the time you left out the " around parameters. w3 validator should warn about that, too. When it comes to validation :)
2019-10-09T23:18:44 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Pretty much all of this minification (minus the three errors now) is a part of the HTML5 standard.
2019-10-09T23:18:54 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Insane huh?
2019-10-09T23:19:51 #kisslinux <tracer> I'## take a look later, when KISS starts compiling, I'll have more than enough time.
2019-10-09T23:31:10 #kisslinux <tracer> It's quite annoying this night. My arch won't come uo, as Virtual box crashes under Catalina. So I took a debian netinstall unter Parallels. Busybox as a rescue shell. No gdisk. tar doesn't handle xz files. noe the chroot script complains about "mountpoint not found" in line 35. I have no fucking clue what line 35 is. No vi, no less, only more. I hate this rescue disk.
2019-10-09T23:31:55 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Line 35: mountpoint -q "$1/dev"  || mount -o bind /dev "$1/dev"
2019-10-09T23:32:14 #kisslinux <tracer> what should that mountpoint be?
2019-10-09T23:32:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Looks like it doesn't even provide the 'mountpoint' command?
2019-10-09T23:32:33 #kisslinux <tracer> year. Never heard of before.
2019-10-09T23:32:49 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> -> mountpoint -q /dev
2019-10-09T23:32:52 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> -> echo $?
2019-10-09T23:32:54 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 0
2019-10-09T23:33:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Returns true if the path is mounted and false if it is not.
2019-10-09T23:33:19 #kisslinux <tracer> Yeah, just checked it on a regular debian.
2019-10-09T23:34:07 #kisslinux <tracer> ok, I'll so the step manual. Note: Debian netinst is not good for bootstrapping KISS :)
2019-10-09T23:34:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Do you have access to 'apt'?
2019-10-09T23:34:56 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> If so, you could install what is needed to the netinst.
2019-10-09T23:35:28 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> -> neofetch battery
2019-10-09T23:35:30 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> battery1: 9% [Discharging]
2019-10-09T23:35:34 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I may suddenly leave.
2019-10-09T23:37:04 #kisslinux <tracer> no. O, there is at least nano, I'll strip the mountpoint stuff out.
2019-10-09T23:44:12 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Be on tomorrow.
2019-10-09T23:44:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Ciao
2019-10-09T23:44:22 #kisslinux <tracer> cu
2019-10-09T23:48:36 #kisslinux <axpira> Has any command to take screenshot on kisslinux?
2019-10-09T23:49:26 #kisslinux <tracer> I guess it depend on you windowmanager
2019-10-09T23:51:36 #kisslinux <axpira> I used import in funtoo from imagemagick, but here don't have imagemagick
2019-10-09T23:54:21 #kisslinux <tracer> Guess I can't help you, I'm just installing KISS for the first time.
2019-10-09T23:55:24 #kisslinux <axpira> I installed yesterday from the first time rsrs
2019-10-09T23:55:46 #kisslinux <tracer> rsrs?
2019-10-09T23:56:07 #kisslinux <axpira> I'm new too on KISS
2019-10-09T23:56:21 #kisslinux <tracer> me too :-)
2019-10-09T23:59:16 #kisslinux <konimex> imagemagick or imlib2 should be enough if you have it installed