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[2021-07-04T00:16:45Z] <acheam> midfavila: thanks for you repo btw
[2021-07-04T00:16:56Z] <acheam> like half my packages are from jt
[2021-07-04T00:17:13Z] <midfavila> Aww, you're welcome. I'm glad to know that it's useful for someone.
[2021-07-04T00:17:18Z] <midfavila> I need to go through and update them soon.
[2021-07-04T00:17:33Z] <midfavila> https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=8Gopg80VXwc
[2021-07-04T00:17:40Z] <midfavila> sotd suggestion, btw
[2021-07-04T00:20:57Z] <acheam> I'm not doing that anymore
[2021-07-04T00:21:03Z] <midfavila> Aw.
[2021-07-04T00:21:52Z] <midfavila> well, you guys'll just have to deal with me posting a bunch of semi-obscure music then.
[2021-07-04T00:22:20Z] <acheam> midfavila: how do I get fonts to work on motif/xaw?
[2021-07-04T00:22:33Z] <midfavila> you gotta use the X font descriptor
[2021-07-04T00:22:37Z] <acheam> I'm getting errors could not get font 8x13
[2021-07-04T00:22:38Z] <midfavila> i have xfontsel packaged
[2021-07-04T00:22:46Z] <midfavila> use that to find a compatible XFD string
[2021-07-04T00:22:51Z] <midfavila> also
[2021-07-04T00:22:57Z] <acheam> but 8x13 is in /usr/share/fonts/misc
[2021-07-04T00:23:01Z] <midfavila> you can pass 'fixed' to the font argument to use X11's built in font
[2021-07-04T00:23:01Z] <midfavila> oh
[2021-07-04T00:23:08Z] <midfavila> have you run fc-cache?
[2021-07-04T00:23:23Z] <acheam> yes
[2021-07-04T00:23:26Z] <midfavila> hmm
[2021-07-04T00:24:05Z] <midfavila> i wouldn't be entirely sure then
[2021-07-04T00:24:15Z] <acheam> hm thabns
[2021-07-04T00:24:25Z] <midfavila> you elcom
[2021-07-04T00:24:30Z] <midfavila> i'll look into it a bit though.
[2021-07-04T00:24:49Z] <midfavila> in the meantime, try using xfontsel.
[2021-07-04T00:24:49Z] <GalaxyNova> https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/od3h8b/audacity_may_collect_data_necessary_for_law/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
[2021-07-04T00:25:01Z] <GalaxyNova> someone needs to fork audacity
[2021-07-04T00:25:08Z] <midfavila> or just
[2021-07-04T00:25:12Z] <midfavila> not use bloatware
[2021-07-04T00:25:18Z] <midfavila> use ffmpeg directly to play media.
[2021-07-04T00:25:26Z] <acheam> wxwifgets lol
[2021-07-04T00:25:32Z] <GalaxyNova> audacity does more than just place audio
[2021-07-04T00:25:40Z] <midfavila> i don't actually care.
[2021-07-04T00:25:43Z] <GalaxyNova> it has a programming language built into it
[2021-07-04T00:25:48Z] <midfavila> disgusting.
[2021-07-04T00:25:54Z] <GalaxyNova> lol
[2021-07-04T00:26:00Z] <kayw> damn, kernel comp failed bc of something about BTF debug so, guess i'm starting anew
[2021-07-04T00:26:06Z] <midfavila> no like, for once I'm not joking
[2021-07-04T00:26:11Z] <midfavila> that's actually, unironically awful.
[2021-07-04T00:26:21Z] <GalaxyNova> it's for sound manipulation
[2021-07-04T00:26:27Z] <midfavila> use ffmpeg.
[2021-07-04T00:26:38Z] <GalaxyNova> it's called Nyquist
[2021-07-04T00:26:49Z] <GalaxyNova> it's a lisp
[2021-07-04T00:27:04Z] <midfavila> just because it's a based language doesn't mean it has any business in a media application.
[2021-07-04T00:27:11Z] <midfavila> provide common lisp *bindings*
[2021-07-04T00:27:18Z] <midfavila> not an entire environ within the program.
[2021-07-04T00:27:26Z] <acheam> midfavila: xfontsel is complaining about xpm missing
[2021-07-04T00:27:31Z] <GalaxyNova> says the guy that uses a lisp window manager xD
[2021-07-04T00:27:36Z] <midfavila> i don't use stumpwm 
[2021-07-04T00:27:43Z] <GalaxyNova> oh?
[2021-07-04T00:27:50Z] <midfavila> acheam strange, install libXpm in the meantime
[2021-07-04T00:27:53Z] <midfavila> i'll update the depends file
[2021-07-04T00:28:07Z] <acheam> ah capital x that's why I couldn't find it
[2021-07-04T00:28:08Z] <midfavila> i've been using shod, Nova
[2021-07-04T00:28:16Z] <midfavila> https://github.com/phillbush/shod
[2021-07-04T00:28:31Z] <GalaxyNova> oh i heard of it
[2021-07-04T00:28:36Z] <GalaxyNova> isn't it just someone's experiment
[2021-07-04T00:28:40Z] <midfavila> yes
[2021-07-04T00:28:51Z] <midfavila> ...hmm...
[2021-07-04T00:28:52Z] <midfavila> strange
[2021-07-04T00:29:03Z] <midfavila> my build of xfontsel has no dependencies on xpm
[2021-07-04T00:29:10Z] <acheam> weird
[2021-07-04T00:29:16Z] <acheam> hmmm xfontsel finds the font
[2021-07-04T00:29:28Z] <midfavila> try passing the string xfontsel provides to your program
[2021-07-04T00:29:46Z] <acheam> xfontsel finds it with *-*-*-*-*
[2021-07-04T00:29:56Z] <acheam> so not sure why it wouldnt be found
[2021-07-04T00:30:03Z] <midfavila> uh
[2021-07-04T00:30:09Z] <midfavila> in that case it would just be using fixed, I think
[2021-07-04T00:30:13Z] <midfavila> which is built-in to X11
[2021-07-04T00:30:29Z] <acheam> yes it is using misc-fixef
[2021-07-04T00:30:46Z] <acheam> which is what my program is trying to find AFAICT
[2021-07-04T00:30:51Z] <midfavila> 8x13 is seperate
[2021-07-04T00:30:57Z] <acheam> oh
[2021-07-04T00:30:59Z] <midfavila> explicitly pass fixed
[2021-07-04T00:31:05Z] <acheam> well I have that installed too... will do
[2021-07-04T00:33:03Z] <acheam> yay it worked thanks mid
[2021-07-04T00:33:13Z] <midfavila> You're welcome, acheam.
[2021-07-04T00:33:23Z] <acheam> not sure why these two buttons are gifuckingnormus but at least it launches
[2021-07-04T00:34:04Z] <acheam> I'm building vile, if youre interestef
[2021-07-04T00:34:15Z] <midfavila> "Vile"?
[2021-07-04T00:34:21Z] <midfavila> Vi-like Emacs?
[2021-07-04T00:34:30Z] <acheam> pretty cool editor with motif and xaw and ncurses guis
[2021-07-04T00:34:31Z] <acheam> yes
[2021-07-04T00:34:36Z] <midfavila> Huh.
[2021-07-04T00:34:40Z] <midfavila> Never heard of it before.
[2021-07-04T00:34:42Z] <midfavila> I'll check it out.
[2021-07-04T00:42:53Z] <midfavila> ...can't say I'm a fan.
[2021-07-04T00:59:39Z] <kayw> aaaaa why is compiling a kernel so damn difficult 
[2021-07-04T00:59:50Z] <kayw> i got this close and then it just, errored out
[2021-07-04T01:02:19Z] <kayw> now it's something about byteorder
[2021-07-04T01:07:41Z] <kayw> https://0x0.st/-f_c.log if anyone has any idea on what to do please let me know because i'm at a loss
[2021-07-04T01:08:15Z] <midfavila> have you applied the suggested sed -i to the kernel
[2021-07-04T01:24:04Z] <acheam> midfavila: why?
[2021-07-04T01:25:01Z] <midfavila> it's an emacs for vi users, not a vi for emacs users
[2021-07-04T01:25:04Z] <midfavila> if that makes sense
[2021-07-04T01:25:04Z] <acheam> kayw: yeah I think that is the same issue as everyone is having, check the news post about it
[2021-07-04T01:25:09Z] <acheam> yeah makes sense
[2021-07-04T01:25:21Z] <kayw> i did apply the sed patch 
[2021-07-04T01:28:32Z] <midfavila> question
[2021-07-04T01:28:48Z] <midfavila> would you guys be interested in seeing KISS run on an old military backplane machine?
[2021-07-04T01:31:38Z] <kayw> i think that'd be cool
[2021-07-04T01:31:51Z] <midfavila> i'm looking at building an older ISA system for tinkering with
[2021-07-04T01:31:53Z] <kayw> i remember seeing something about a distro made for older computers, can't remember the name or where i saw it
[2021-07-04T01:32:08Z] <midfavila> powerful enough to do useful work, but weak enough that I'd have to be somewhat clever
[2021-07-04T01:32:38Z] <midfavila> no ME, no overcomplicated ISA, just an 80486 or 80586
[2021-07-04T01:32:46Z] <midfavila> maybe 128mb of memory
[2021-07-04T01:33:14Z] <kayw> damn, yeah slap kiss on it
[2021-07-04T01:33:23Z] <kayw> it'd take a while to compile but it should work
[2021-07-04T01:33:29Z] <kayw> you could do distcc?
[2021-07-04T01:33:32Z] <midfavila> i wouldn't compile it on the machine, dear god
[2021-07-04T01:33:45Z] <midfavila> i'd cross-compile from my workstation and transfer it to the ISA machine over parallel
[2021-07-04T01:33:53Z] <midfavila> probably using zmodem
[2021-07-04T01:36:47Z] <kayw> yeah good idea
[2021-07-04T01:38:08Z] <midfavila> ...never mind... god, I fucking hate these "VINTAGE RARE L@@K!!!" people
[2021-07-04T01:38:25Z] <midfavila> "I know what I have, no low-ballers!" and it's some 486DX in a case that's falling apart
[2021-07-04T01:38:47Z] <midfavila> the chassis would be more expensive than the SBC and backplane combined
[2021-07-04T01:38:50Z] <kayw> yeah no thanks
[2021-07-04T01:39:00Z] <midfavila> i figured it would be like 200$ at most
[2021-07-04T03:15:02Z] <acheam> y'all broke me, I'm slowly switching from emacs
[2021-07-04T03:15:13Z] <acheam> first steps: switching to nano and mutt
[2021-07-04T03:15:30Z] <noocsharp> nano1?!?!?
[2021-07-04T03:15:32Z] <acheam> after that: org mode and feed reader
[2021-07-04T03:15:48Z] <acheam> after that: my config files
[2021-07-04T03:16:06Z] <acheam> noocsharp: yes, nano has impressed me the most of any editor I have tried so far
[2021-07-04T03:16:20Z] <acheam> its surprisingly capable
[2021-07-04T03:16:32Z] <acheam> but I'm open to other reccomendations
[2021-07-04T03:17:20Z] <acheam> my criteria are: curses based or xaw/motif GUI, good editing shortcuts, syntax highlighting, and that's about it
[2021-07-04T03:17:33Z] <noocsharp> the last time i used nano was on an arch iso
[2021-07-04T03:17:55Z] <acheam> oh and it should be written in a sane language with a sane config language
[2021-07-04T03:18:12Z] <acheam> noocsharp: then you havent given it a good shot
[2021-07-04T03:18:28Z] <noocsharp> i need my vi
[2021-07-04T03:18:38Z] <acheam> what implementation do you use?
[2021-07-04T03:18:44Z] <noocsharp> vis
[2021-07-04T03:19:01Z] <acheam> I wouldn't call vis vi :)
[2021-07-04T03:19:11Z] <noocsharp> visam
[2021-07-04T03:19:29Z] <acheam> ?
[2021-07-04T03:19:33Z] <noocsharp> vi + sam
[2021-07-04T03:19:39Z] <acheam> ah yeah lol
[2021-07-04T03:20:11Z] <noocsharp> for feed reader i would recommend sfeed/sfeed_curses
[2021-07-04T03:21:22Z] <GalaxyNova> vim
[2021-07-04T03:21:32Z] <acheam> oh nice its by codemadness
[2021-07-04T03:21:46Z] <acheam> looks good thanks!
[2021-07-04T04:15:36Z] <midfavila> anyone here use hummingbird?
[2021-07-04T04:21:52Z] <acheam> midfavila: I dont think so
[2021-07-04T04:22:03Z] <midfavila> darn.
[2021-07-04T04:22:13Z] <acheam> man if there is one thing I miss from bash/zsh, its process substitution 
[2021-07-04T04:22:17Z] <midfavila> even after getting a proper, working system on my laptop, hummingbird still loses its mind 
[2021-07-04T04:22:18Z] <midfavila> also, what?
[2021-07-04T04:22:22Z] <acheam> the <() syntax
[2021-07-04T04:22:29Z] <midfavila> Oh.
[2021-07-04T04:22:46Z] <midfavila> hmm
[2021-07-04T04:22:49Z] <midfavila> yash might have it.
[2021-07-04T04:23:10Z] <acheam> I'll look into it
[2021-07-04T04:23:20Z] <midfavila> i have it packaged, fyi
[2021-07-04T04:23:27Z] <acheam> thx
[2021-07-04T04:23:28Z] <midfavila> it's a very comfy shell once you get it set up
[2021-07-04T04:23:33Z] <midfavila> not too big either
[2021-07-04T04:23:35Z] <illiliti> yash is awesome
[2021-07-04T04:23:38Z] * midfavila nods
[2021-07-04T04:23:49Z] <midfavila> alas, it has trouble with kiss
[2021-07-04T04:23:50Z] <illiliti> you can actually replace your /bin/sh with it
[2021-07-04T04:23:57Z] <midfavila> not entirely.
[2021-07-04T04:24:06Z] <midfavila> kiss breaks during installs.
[2021-07-04T04:24:09Z] <acheam> ooh I think it does have it
[2021-07-04T04:24:21Z] <midfavila> yash is like bash if it wasn't completely shit
[2021-07-04T04:26:09Z] <illiliti> yash is more like zsh but with more focus on proper /bin/sh
[2021-07-04T04:26:28Z] <illiliti> using zsh as /bin/sh is impossible
[2021-07-04T04:33:13Z] <acheam> project idea: nano with lua bindings
[2021-07-04T04:33:33Z] <midfavila> i'd like to write my own editor at some point
[2021-07-04T04:33:39Z] <midfavila> i don't think it would be a PICO clone though
[2021-07-04T04:44:07Z] <midfavila> ...haha!
[2021-07-04T04:44:11Z] <midfavila> Laptop is fully-functional once more
[2021-07-04T04:44:18Z] <midfavila> albeit sans one bird,
[2021-07-04T04:44:19Z] <midfavila> but still
[2021-07-04T04:50:50Z] <acheam> bird?
[2021-07-04T04:51:02Z] <midfavila> hummingbird
[2021-07-04T04:51:05Z] <midfavila> i had to swap it for shinit
[2021-07-04T04:51:07Z] <midfavila> anyway
[2021-07-04T04:51:10Z] <acheam> ah
[2021-07-04T04:51:14Z] <midfavila> i've hit a new lot in terms of memory usage
[2021-07-04T04:51:34Z] <midfavila> 85mb with a window manager, display manager, compositor, task manager, system tray, and bar open
[2021-07-04T04:51:39Z] <midfavila> as well as a wireless daemon in the background
[2021-07-04T04:52:04Z] <midfavila> 15mb of that is the task manager, and another 22 is from the compositor
[2021-07-04T04:52:23Z] <midfavila> this is the power of spending a week tuning your distro
[2021-07-04T04:55:12Z] <midfavila-laptop> huzzah
[2021-07-04T05:00:59Z] <testuser[m]> Hi
[2021-07-04T05:01:04Z] <midfavila-laptop> ih
[2021-07-04T05:49:16Z] <testuser[m]> dilyn: is KISS_COMPRESS=zstd working for you ? Kiss seems to create archives that fail to extract with "short read"
[2021-07-04T05:59:19Z] <midfavila> https://github.com/Seteeri/particle acheam
[2021-07-04T05:59:28Z] <midfavila> attempt at creating a LISP machine-style working environment for linux
[2021-07-04T06:52:42Z] <GalaxyNova> Hey any of you play TPT?
[2021-07-04T06:58:41Z] <schillingklaus> I only play textual and unaccelerated 2d games
[2021-07-04T07:10:14Z] <GalaxyNova> lol
[2021-07-04T07:10:17Z] <GalaxyNova> it's a cool game
[2021-07-04T07:10:29Z] <GalaxyNova> OSS too
[2021-07-04T10:14:47Z] <dy1an> Hello :)
[2021-07-04T10:15:14Z] <riteo> hi!
[2021-07-04T10:15:17Z] <testuser[m]> hi
[2021-07-04T10:19:06Z] <schillingklaus> dilyn vs dylan 
[2021-07-04T10:20:30Z] <dy1an> Fun fact: dilyn is Irish whereas dylan is Welsh
[2021-07-04T10:20:35Z] <dy1an> The names I mean
[2021-07-04T10:25:14Z] <technoznc> dy1an: seems like the package manager wants to downgrade some packages, switch from kisslinux-community to kisslinux
[2021-07-04T10:25:20Z] <technoznc> switching*
[2021-07-04T10:25:37Z] <schillingklaus> why is that a downgrade?
[2021-07-04T10:26:22Z] <technoznc> I guess because some packages arent updated yet in kisslinux
[2021-07-04T10:26:31Z] <technoznc> not sure tho dy1an probably knows better
[2021-07-04T10:26:33Z] <dy1an> No
[2021-07-04T10:26:39Z] <dy1an> They should all be up-to-date
[2021-07-04T10:26:43Z] <dy1an> Which packages?
[2021-07-04T10:27:26Z] <dy1an> There are some false positives I /am/ aware of.
[2021-07-04T10:30:08Z] <technoznc> dy1an: http://paste.debian.net/plain/1203358
[2021-07-04T10:30:14Z] <konimex> baselayout? but that's only because of some url changes (maybe) on kiss-community's end
[2021-07-04T10:30:26Z] <dy1an> https://termbin.com/o9ywk
[2021-07-04T10:30:37Z] <dy1an> This is what kiss-outdated spits out
[2021-07-04T10:30:49Z] <testuser[m]> 5.10 is the new lts
[2021-07-04T10:31:20Z] <dy1an> Is there any reason to bump the headers to 5.10 though?
[2021-07-04T10:31:28Z] <dy1an> ie, any new features that the headers expose?
[2021-07-04T10:31:31Z] <konimex> technoznc: most of those are rel differences rather than actual different version
[2021-07-04T10:31:56Z] <testuser[m]> dont think so ,just remember it mentioned somewhere that headers are bumped on every lts
[2021-07-04T10:32:01Z] <testuser[m]> for kiss
[2021-07-04T10:32:03Z] <technoznc> ah ok, just wanted to be sure before I switch, thanks guys!
[2021-07-04T10:32:19Z] <dy1an> There are many LTS releases
[2021-07-04T10:32:33Z] <testuser[m]> major
[2021-07-04T10:36:15Z] <dy1an> Headers have been updated.
[2021-07-04T10:37:20Z] <konimex> also dylan just a heads up you may want to fix your time since it seems you either use wrong timezone or even wrong time altogether
[2021-07-04T10:38:21Z] <dy1an> Will do. It's showing like that on GitHub?
[2021-07-04T10:39:28Z] <konimex> aye, shows "committed in 3 hours" in one of your latest commits
[2021-07-04T10:40:36Z] <dy1an> Should be good now (from next commit)
[2021-07-04T10:45:44Z] <testuser[m]> dy1an: https://github.com/kiss-community/kiss/commit/42f659fb9a8f4eaa3f0051fe8ada52aa8f334e3f#diff-4e796001c105fa20404267143ca847d3b33672d441a9d129d5366bb4862e6a1b
[2021-07-04T10:45:53Z] <testuser[m]> looks like you missed this one
[2021-07-04T10:53:17Z] <dy1an> Fixed
[2021-07-04T12:53:47Z] <kayw> good morning everyone
[2021-07-04T12:59:58Z] <testuser[m]> hi kay
[2021-07-04T12:59:59Z] <testuser[m]> Kayw
[2021-07-04T13:04:41Z] <kayw> i'm still working on getting my kernel to compile but lets hope that it doesn't fail in the same way it did last night
[2021-07-04T13:06:22Z] <msk_1411[m]> did you get gmp or whatever it was to build?
[2021-07-04T13:07:42Z] <testuser[m]> Can you show the full log agian
[2021-07-04T13:16:48Z] <kayw> yea, sure
[2021-07-04T13:17:01Z] <kayw> msk_1411[m]: yeah i got all the deps for building it
[2021-07-04T13:17:19Z] <kayw> testuser[m]: https://0x0.st/-f_c.log
[2021-07-04T13:17:38Z] <kayw> i'm trying to fully rebuild it right now to see if it was a one-off error of some sort
[2021-07-04T13:19:09Z] <msk_1411[m]> Is the sed patch also applied? I was getting similar errors with the ``expected '=', ',', ';',`` and everything before I added the header
[2021-07-04T13:19:26Z] <kayw> yes
[2021-07-04T13:19:48Z] <kayw> the header is there, i triple checked 
[2021-07-04T13:20:20Z] <testuser[m]> What kernel version
[2021-07-04T13:20:36Z] <kayw> 5.12.13
[2021-07-04T13:21:23Z] <acheam> I find it kind of funny that Wikipedia clearly makes the distinction that
[2021-07-04T13:21:28Z] <acheam> 'The Joe of JOE is not the same Joe as the Joe of JWM. "
[2021-07-04T13:21:44Z] <testuser[m]> I guess you could try adding #include <linux/stddef.h> to those 3 files that are erroring out, the single sed should've worked
[2021-07-04T13:22:54Z] <kayw> it's compiling right now, but if the issue persists i'll try that
[2021-07-04T13:39:23Z] <kayw> okay, so it failed again
[2021-07-04T13:43:30Z] <kayw> wow, adding the headers seems to have worked
[2021-07-04T13:44:41Z] <kayw> seems to be running a posttest right now
[2021-07-04T13:45:45Z] <testuser[m]> you could probably add  `-D__always_inline=__inline__` to KCFLAGS too, since the header just does `#define __always_inline __inline__`
[2021-07-04T14:15:45Z] <kayw> it's been sitting at a posttest for quite a while now, is that normal?
[2021-07-04T14:16:42Z] <testuser[m]> posttest ?
[2021-07-04T14:16:46Z] <testuser[m]> show
[2021-07-04T14:17:18Z] <kayw> welp fuck nvm
[2021-07-04T14:17:32Z] <kayw> speak of the devil, i look over and it's missing zstd
[2021-07-04T14:53:25Z] <kayw> it fucking finished
[2021-07-04T14:54:43Z] <kayw> nvm more errors on trying to install modules
[2021-07-04T14:55:33Z] <kayw> i'm gonna stop working on this, maybe try it another day
[2021-07-04T15:12:53Z] <prendergast> test
[2021-07-04T15:14:14Z] <Guest35> test
[2021-07-04T15:16:01Z] <testuser[m]> Fail
[2021-07-04T15:16:19Z] <prendergast> nope it worked
[2021-07-04T15:16:43Z] <testuser[m]> Idk man i didn't see anything
[2021-07-04T15:16:50Z] <prendergast> dang
[2021-07-04T16:18:48Z] <dilyn> claudia: KISS_COMPRESS should be zst, not zstd
[2021-07-04T16:21:32Z] <testuser[m]> Oh
[2021-07-04T16:58:06Z] <prendergast> do KISS support XDG mime / opeen?
[2021-07-04T17:08:19Z] <claudia> dilyn: How could you know that I have tried out zstd. But I already set KISS_COMPRESS=zst :v
[2021-07-04T17:08:38Z] <schillingklaus> eeeeew zstd
[2021-07-04T17:09:37Z] <claudia> zstd makes me flex that my kernel size shrinked ~20%
[2021-07-04T17:10:52Z] <claudia> when this matters at all.
[2021-07-04T17:11:10Z] <claudia> But my boot time did not decrease, which was what I was aiming for.
[2021-07-04T17:11:35Z] <prendergast> whats your kernel size?
[2021-07-04T17:12:46Z] <prendergast> mine is 12.5 MB :3
[2021-07-04T17:13:10Z] <claudia> prendergast: you can use this as xdg_open https://github.com/dylanaraps/shfm/blob/master/README#L103
[2021-07-04T17:13:34Z] <prendergast> thank you my lad
[2021-07-04T17:13:52Z] <claudia> I was around 10mb with I think gzip. Now its 8.
[2021-07-04T17:14:20Z] <testuser[m]> claudia: dilyn was replying to my message i think, lol
[2021-07-04T17:16:32Z] * claudia just took the oportunity to flex.
[2021-07-04T17:17:09Z] <schillingklaus> I avoid zstd
[2021-07-04T17:17:41Z] <testuser[m]> Avoid it then
[2021-07-04T17:19:33Z] <dilyn> ^
[2021-07-04T17:20:41Z] <dilyn> and yes, I was indeed testuser :v memory slipped 
[2021-07-04T17:35:07Z] <testuser[m]> Is it too big of a hack to use `-isystem ./dirwithheaders` to silence warnings from third-party header files ?
[2021-07-04T19:15:23Z] <msk_1411[m]> I just wrote a shellscript using ``file -i`` with a case statement instead of xdg-open
[2021-07-04T19:17:00Z] <prendergast> Thank you msk i saw it implemented in shfm and fff too
[2021-07-04T19:24:09Z] <msk_1411[m]> oh, I see, they give an example script
[2021-07-04T19:32:20Z] <midfavila> hrm.
[2021-07-04T19:32:29Z] <midfavila> any of you guys have experience with 3D printers?
[2021-07-04T19:33:08Z] <prendergast> Yeah I 3D printed my 3D printer
[2021-07-04T19:33:21Z] <midfavila> Oh, a RepRap?
[2021-07-04T21:39:54Z] <acheam> prendergast: I have xdg-open packaged
[2021-07-04T22:05:56Z] <GalaxyNova> acheam: It's freedesktop software ewww
[2021-07-04T22:06:22Z] <acheam> so is.... half the stuff on your computer
[2021-07-04T22:09:09Z] <GalaxyNova> fair point
[2021-07-04T22:09:24Z] <GalaxyNova> had no idea X.org was freedesktop
[2021-07-04T22:09:38Z] <midfavila> it's maintained by them, yes
[2021-07-04T22:09:55Z] <midfavila> but if we're talking about who started it, it was the XFree86 project
[2021-07-04T22:30:05Z] <Guest488> Did Dylan come back?
[2021-07-04T22:30:47Z] <Guest488> I just saw a news update on kisslinux.xyz
[2021-07-04T22:30:58Z] <midfavila> yes
[2021-07-04T22:31:10Z] <midfavila> but nobody seems sure if he's taking the reigns back
[2021-07-04T22:31:23Z] <GalaxyNova> it's very confusing
[2021-07-04T22:31:31Z] <GalaxyNova> right now kiss basically has two upstreams
[2021-07-04T22:31:49Z] <Guest488> Yes, I saw he has some github activity
[2021-07-04T22:32:10Z] <Guest488> So is it something Dilyn and Dylan have to work out?
[2021-07-04T22:32:59Z] <GalaxyNova> indeed
[2021-07-04T22:33:00Z] <Guest488> I was thinking of installing, but not sure which to try
[2021-07-04T22:33:14Z] <GalaxyNova> the kiss-community upstream is what i'd go with atm
[2021-07-04T22:33:26Z] <GalaxyNova> because the community repository there is maintained
[2021-07-04T22:33:33Z] <Guest488> is that the one from k1sslinux.org?
[2021-07-04T22:33:36Z] <GalaxyNova> you can always switch the upstream
[2021-07-04T22:33:38Z] <GalaxyNova> yes
[2021-07-04T22:33:44Z] <Guest488> ok, thanks
[2021-07-04T22:33:56Z] <GalaxyNova> that might change in a few weeks when more things get figured out
[2021-07-04T22:34:17Z] <Guest488> i have been advised :-)
[2021-07-04T22:34:42Z] <Guest488> i appreciate knowing what at least someone recommends
[2021-07-04T22:34:53Z] <Guest488> a tie-breaker!
[2021-07-04T22:37:49Z] <GalaxyNova> midfavila: what upstream do you use
[2021-07-04T22:38:19Z] <midfavila> well, my desktop is currently based on kiss-community
[2021-07-04T22:38:24Z] <midfavila> but I'm probably going to fork the rootfs soon
[2021-07-04T22:38:35Z] <GalaxyNova> why
[2021-07-04T22:38:44Z] <GalaxyNova> i use vannila kiss-community
[2021-07-04T22:39:03Z] <midfavila> because spending five hours stripping out all the crap I don't like about the current image every time I set up a new machine is stupid and a waste of my time, quite frankly
[2021-07-04T22:39:58Z] <GalaxyNova> I don't much crap
[2021-07-04T22:40:06Z] <GalaxyNova> in the base image
[2021-07-04T22:40:32Z] <GalaxyNova> it's mostly just busybox + kiss + baselayout + curl + git
[2021-07-04T22:40:43Z] <midfavila> yes, and I dislike busybox and curl.
[2021-07-04T22:40:53Z] <midfavila> largely git, as well, but there's nothing I can do about that.
[2021-07-04T22:40:57Z] <GalaxyNova> kiss depends on curl
[2021-07-04T22:41:02Z] <midfavila> not with my patch.
[2021-07-04T22:41:07Z] <GalaxyNova> ooh
[2021-07-04T22:41:13Z] <midfavila> i haven't used curl with kiss in months.
[2021-07-04T22:41:20Z] <GalaxyNova> link?
[2021-07-04T22:41:45Z] <dilyn> you're going to see more work happening on `kiss` itself from Dylan; it's a lot of work for me to keep up with what he's doing 
[2021-07-04T22:41:48Z] <midfavila> http://0x0.st/-feq.patch
[2021-07-04T22:41:50Z] <GalaxyNova> midfavila: git could also possibly be replaced with rsync
[2021-07-04T22:41:55Z] <dilyn> I don't know what his plans are; I'm just as in the dark on this as everyone else :)  
[2021-07-04T22:42:01Z] <midfavila> if I was going to replace git, it would be with fossil
[2021-07-04T22:42:14Z] <midfavila> anyway, you might have to tinker with the patch a bit. it seems to not apply with the latest git version of kiss
[2021-07-04T22:42:48Z] <GalaxyNova> have you though of pull requesting the patch to upstream?
[2021-07-04T22:42:57Z] <midfavila> sent dylan an email the other day.
[2021-07-04T22:43:02Z] <GalaxyNova> s/though/thought
[2021-07-04T22:43:23Z] <GalaxyNova> why not github pull request
[2021-07-04T22:43:31Z] <midfavila> you should know by now.
[2021-07-04T22:43:41Z] <GalaxyNova> you don't have to visit the website to do a pr
[2021-07-04T22:43:48Z] <GalaxyNova> there's a cli utility
[2021-07-04T22:43:50Z] <GalaxyNova> if you're into that
[2021-07-04T22:43:58Z] * midfavila sighs
[2021-07-04T22:44:12Z] <midfavila> I'm not willing to use Github beyond cloning respositories. Even that's done begrudgingly 
[2021-07-04T22:45:18Z] <GalaxyNova> also what are you replacing busybox with
[2021-07-04T22:45:26Z] <GalaxyNova> toybox?
[2021-07-04T22:45:46Z] <midfavila> u/s/9base, with libarchive and some standalone utilities.
[2021-07-04T22:46:06Z] <midfavila> i don't do monolithing executables.
[2021-07-04T22:46:12Z] <midfavila> monolithic*
[2021-07-04T22:46:22Z] <midfavila> monolithing... what the fuck...
[2021-07-04T22:47:47Z] <soliwilos> Dylan's kiss has KISS_DL to set the downloader, an experiment or some such the comment said.
[2021-07-04T22:47:57Z] <midfavila> yes, that's from my patch
[2021-07-04T22:48:01Z] <midfavila> has it been upstreamed?
[2021-07-04T22:48:08Z] <soliwilos> Yes.
[2021-07-04T22:49:05Z] <GalaxyNova> oh amazing!
[2021-07-04T22:49:08Z] <midfavila> hmm
[2021-07-04T22:49:09Z] <midfavila> no
[2021-07-04T22:49:12Z] <midfavila> it doesn't look like my patch
[2021-07-04T22:49:14Z] <midfavila> not at all
[2021-07-04T22:49:22Z] <midfavila> my patch provided support for curl, wget, axel and aria2
[2021-07-04T22:49:27Z] <GalaxyNova> it still does the same thing though?
[2021-07-04T22:49:30Z] <midfavila> it does not
[2021-07-04T22:49:59Z] <midfavila> perhaps he's simply adjusting my patch
[2021-07-04T22:50:08Z] <midfavila> either way, it's unimportant
[2021-07-04T22:50:34Z] <GalaxyNova> 958 lines oof
[2021-07-04T22:50:39Z] <GalaxyNova> getting close to 1000 line limit
[2021-07-04T22:51:29Z] <midfavila> only problem is that I haven't gotten any email back from Dylan, so no clue if he saw my patch...
[2021-07-04T22:52:36Z] <GalaxyNova> either way it's nice to see KISS_DL being a thing
[2021-07-04T22:55:01Z] <midfavila> ...hm...
[2021-07-04T22:55:06Z] <midfavila> not sure how to feel about this.
[2021-07-04T22:55:17Z] <GalaxyNova> lol
[2021-07-04T22:55:37Z] <GalaxyNova> midafavila: Why
[2021-07-04T22:55:57Z] <dilyn> it's exactly the simplest version of your patch 
[2021-07-04T22:56:04Z] <dilyn> just set KISS_DL to be whatever arguments axel needs
[2021-07-04T23:05:14Z] <Guest488> dilyn, would you suggest a new user wanting to evaluate kiss should start with the tarball from dylan?
[2021-07-04T23:09:21Z] <acheam> nano Is dead to me now, JOE is much nicer
[2021-07-04T23:09:25Z] <acheam> although more bloated
[2021-07-04T23:10:40Z] <GalaxyNova> busybox vi
[2021-07-04T23:10:47Z] <dilyn> they're basically equivalent tarballs guest488 
[2021-07-04T23:11:11Z] <dilyn> our upstreams are basically equivalent. the only real difference is in `kiss` itself
[2021-07-04T23:11:17Z] <GalaxyNova> dilyn: Doesn't Dylan's tarball have his kiss version
[2021-07-04T23:11:22Z] <dilyn> yes
[2021-07-04T23:11:29Z] <dilyn> but that isn't hard to change :)
[2021-07-04T23:38:27Z] <acheam> it'd be nice if Dylan let us know his plans lol. he was here when most of the regulars around here were sleeping so we couldn't ask
[2021-07-04T23:40:38Z] <GalaxyNova> acheam: Yep i wasn't on... rip
[2021-07-04T23:40:51Z] <GalaxyNova> I think he might live in a very different timezone
[2021-07-04T23:41:04Z] <acheam> he lives in Greece
[2021-07-04T23:41:21Z] <Guest488> on the plus side, maybe he has a good sleep schedule
[2021-07-04T23:41:22Z] <acheam> idk where that is relative to you
[2021-07-04T23:42:02Z] <acheam> ooh busybox config allows you to disable cat -v
[2021-07-04T23:42:25Z] <acheam> my system is officially 100% bloat free without that terrible un-unixy flag