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[2021-06-11T00:06:41Z] <nerditup> acheam delivers a browser in a few short hours lol
[2021-06-11T00:07:10Z] <nerditup> Just reading through the README now
[2021-06-11T00:07:56Z] <acheam> lol its just a modified version of someone elses webkit frontent
[2021-06-11T00:08:24Z] <acheam> if you include webkit source code, i've written like 0.001% of the browser
[2021-06-11T00:11:52Z] <midfavila-laptop> so is it chorizo after the things from metroid, or chorizo as in the sausage
[2021-06-11T00:14:32Z] <acheam> the sausage
[2021-06-11T00:14:38Z] <acheam> but you should ask riteo, it was his idea
[2021-06-11T00:21:06Z] <midfavila-laptop> chorizo is delicious
[2021-06-11T00:21:32Z] <midfavila-laptop> i used to work at this fast food joint that sold it. used to take home whatever we didn't sell and make lunch for myself with it
[2021-06-11T00:21:38Z] <midfavila-laptop> only perk of working at that place.
[2021-06-11T00:22:42Z] <acheam> yum
[2021-06-11T00:22:57Z] <midfavila-laptop> yeah.
[2021-06-11T01:29:13Z] <noocsharp> does anyone know of a c compiler written in assembly?
[2021-06-11T01:34:08Z] <acheam> x86 assembly?
[2021-06-11T01:34:14Z] <acheam> what are you trying to do?
[2021-06-11T01:36:25Z] <noocsharp> to truly bootstrap c, you need an assembler written in machine code, and a compiler and linker written in assembly
[2021-06-11T01:36:29Z] <noocsharp> i was just wondering if that existed
[2021-06-11T01:40:45Z] <noocsharp> also i wonder how many times c has actually been boostrapped like that...
[2021-06-11T01:41:01Z] <midfavila-laptop> considering trusting trust's impact,
[2021-06-11T01:41:03Z] <midfavila-laptop> probably not many
[2021-06-11T01:41:22Z] <midfavila-laptop> but i'm a complete dumbass so I don't actually know
[2021-06-11T01:42:30Z] <noocsharp> it's entirely possible that it's only ever been bootstrapped once
[2021-06-11T01:42:49Z] <midfavila-laptop> i mean, fwiw,
[2021-06-11T01:42:58Z] <midfavila-laptop> if *I* was writing a compiler for a brand new language in raw machine code,
[2021-06-11T01:43:07Z] <midfavila-laptop> i'd implement a subset first
[2021-06-11T01:43:13Z] <midfavila-laptop> and then work my way up from there
[2021-06-11T01:43:17Z] <noocsharp> i mean c wasn't written in assembly
[2021-06-11T01:43:20Z] <noocsharp> it was written in bcpl
[2021-06-11T01:43:24Z] <midfavila-laptop> i was gonna say
[2021-06-11T01:43:30Z] <midfavila-laptop> either B or BCPL
[2021-06-11T01:44:16Z] <noocsharp> i wonder what the tree of language bootstrapping looks like
[2021-06-11T02:01:07Z] <nerditup> Mostly POSIX shell scripts
[2021-06-11T02:30:41Z] <midfavila-laptop> plot twist, every language arose from the primordial soup of sh
[2021-06-11T02:30:44Z] <midfavila-laptop> even C
[2021-06-11T02:39:51Z] <zola> When packaging software which requires that a specific user be present, should i create it during installation, or show a message to the user about having to create it?
[2021-06-11T02:40:38Z] <midfavila-laptop> you could always add a prompt
[2021-06-11T02:40:58Z] <midfavila-laptop> be like "Hey we have to create $user for the package, is that okay? [Y/n]"
[2021-06-11T02:41:30Z] <dilyn> yeah you're going to be looking for a long historical chain of compilers on that one 
[2021-06-11T02:42:44Z] <zola> That looks like the best solution, thanks midfavila-laptop
[2021-06-11T02:42:49Z] <midfavila-laptop> np
[2021-06-11T02:42:57Z] <midfavila-laptop> i've thought about the best way to approach that myself
[2021-06-11T02:43:37Z] <dilyn> there isn't technically a 'best' way on KISS; most packages simply have a post-install saying 'hey create this user' 
[2021-06-11T02:43:43Z] <dilyn> my packages actually do it
[2021-06-11T02:43:53Z] <midfavila-laptop> it might be the case of a package requiring a user be present to build
[2021-06-11T02:43:54Z] <dilyn> I don't think there's a specification for it 
[2021-06-11T02:44:02Z] <midfavila-laptop> i've run into programs that refuse to build without a certain user being present
[2021-06-11T02:44:11Z] <midfavila-laptop> it's not common, but it does happen
[2021-06-11T02:44:13Z] <dilyn> ^ yes that requires a mess more involvement 
[2021-06-11T02:44:27Z] <midfavila-laptop> s'long as the user knows what's going on, I say it's fine
[2021-06-11T02:44:28Z] <dilyn> if your package is more like opennptd you can do it like that package does 
[2021-06-11T02:44:38Z] <midfavila-laptop> but fwiw my suggestion remains to ask the user
[2021-06-11T02:45:26Z] <dilyn> if you have good reason to suspect the user wants such users and groups to be implemented in a different way (i.e., a specific home directory, or maybe they want it to be able to login), you'd have to specify user intervention
[2021-06-11T02:46:16Z] <zola> It is a good point, requiring user input to build is really bad, especially if user started a build of multiple big packages and left the system unattended
[2021-06-11T02:46:50Z] * midfavila-laptop shrugs
[2021-06-11T02:47:11Z] <midfavila-laptop> obviously it's not ideal. ultimately as long as the user is informed...
[2021-06-11T02:47:17Z] <dilyn> yeah, making pkg building as interventionless as possible is good; it's part of why (i'd assume, at least) dylan made post-install's print at the end of `kiss b foo bar` in addition to after each `foo`, `bar`
[2021-06-11T02:47:27Z] <dilyn> indeed
[2021-06-11T02:48:29Z] <midfavila-laptop> https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=HVzC6WZImGY acheam sotd suggestion
[2021-06-11T02:48:39Z] <midfavila-laptop> if any of you haven't played cave story yet you should
[2021-06-11T03:29:04Z] <acheam> midfavila-laptop: I find it really funny when people say "thanks midfavila-laptop" because then it sounds like they're thanking your laptop
[2021-06-11T03:29:08Z] <acheam> you should /nick midfavilas_laptop for the extra effect
[2021-06-11T03:33:44Z] <illiliti> lmao
[2021-06-11T07:07:29Z] <GalaxyNova> Dylan seems to be active on github again!
[2021-06-11T07:10:38Z] <illiliti> OMG
[2021-06-11T07:12:35Z] <illiliti> i hope he'll back to us
[2021-06-11T07:13:01Z] <illiliti> we all miss him so much
[2021-06-11T08:18:58Z] <phoebos> he's already done like 40 contributions in a couple of hours. jeez
[2021-06-11T08:19:25Z] <phoebos> i'm happy to see him back, but the pull requests and all the stuff waiting for him would be... overwhelming
[2021-06-11T09:50:38Z] <konimex> oh dylan's back, I wonder if he knows of the movement of this channel from freenode to libera.chat
[2021-06-11T11:50:07Z] <necromansy> konimex: it wouldnt be hard to figure it out, the move is listed on k1sslinux.org/irc, so id hope dylan can read
[2021-06-11T11:50:39Z] <necromansy> but its dope to see him back
[2021-06-11T11:59:38Z] <kiedtl> konimex: if not he'd find out soon, both from r/kisslinux and from the /topic on #kisslinux on freenode
[2021-06-11T12:00:42Z] <necromansy> that too yeah
[2021-06-11T12:03:29Z] <konimex> isn't #kisslinux on freenode +i though?
[2021-06-11T12:08:31Z] <phoebos> you can still see the topic
[2021-06-11T12:31:39Z] <kiedtl> konimex: I removed the +i, so as to not further provoke the Lords of Leenode
[2021-06-11T12:40:28Z] <midfavila-laptop> morning, everyone
[2021-06-11T12:42:58Z] <midfavila-laptop> man, I need to tinker on sbase...
[2021-06-11T12:43:21Z] <midfavila-laptop> 'mv' doesn't check permissions *before* attempting to move a file, so if you don't have appropriate perms, the file you attempted to move is nuked
[2021-06-11T12:43:57Z] <midfavila-laptop> something tells me that POSIX doesn't specify that
[2021-06-11T13:29:44Z] <necromansy> midfavila-laptop: i wonder how sbase mv is implemented if its doing that, it *should* check if its got write permissions to the target directory *before* but uuuh
[2021-06-11T13:29:46Z] * necromansy shrugs
[2021-06-11T13:30:18Z] <ang> report it to mcf
[2021-06-11T13:33:43Z] <necromansy> https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/mv.html
[2021-06-11T13:34:18Z] <necromansy> yeah this seems like a thing to report
[2021-06-11T13:38:02Z] <acheam> https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/unix/BashBracketedPasteChange
[2021-06-11T13:40:24Z] <riteo> Hiiiii!
[2021-06-11T13:40:37Z] <riteo> Dylan's back!
[2021-06-11T13:43:25Z] <acheam> ye
[2021-06-11T13:43:32Z] <riteo> ahh, what a day!
[2021-06-11T13:43:41Z] <necromansy> i..what an odd feature
[2021-06-11T13:44:23Z] <riteo> so, will he keep working on kiss or is everything still on dilyn hands?
[2021-06-11T13:44:44Z] <necromansy> no idea yet, he hasnt made contact with us afaik
[2021-06-11T13:45:30Z] <riteo> oh, I'm curious on how it ends up.
[2021-06-11T13:46:21Z] <riteo> I really want to know what he thinks on how the distro kept going
[2021-06-11T13:48:58Z] <acheam> we didn't make any radical changes
[2021-06-11T13:49:10Z] <nerditup> morning
[2021-06-11T13:49:42Z] <acheam> hi nerditup
[2021-06-11T13:49:50Z] <nerditup> just reading now that Dylan is back, this is huge news!
[2021-06-11T13:52:27Z] <riteo> acheam: I didn't mean that
[2021-06-11T13:52:55Z] <riteo> you know, just that the packages were updated and that the distro didn't die with his disappearance
[2021-06-11T13:53:08Z] <necromansy> that was always a stated goal tbf
[2021-06-11T13:53:14Z] <riteo> oh yeah
[2021-06-11T13:53:22Z] <riteo> that's why I'm curious
[2021-06-11T13:53:44Z] <riteo> Getting to this point is still a lot
[2021-06-11T14:05:46Z] <kiedtl> rip k1ss.org
[2021-06-11T14:16:14Z] <acheam> OOF
[2021-06-11T14:16:34Z] <acheam> someone actually bought it for $700?
[2021-06-11T14:17:07Z] <rio6> wait soneone sniped it?
[2021-06-11T14:17:22Z] <acheam> looks like it
[2021-06-11T14:19:56Z] <testuser[m]1> wasnt it gone long ago
[2021-06-11T14:20:11Z] <testuser[m]1> still shows the same spam site
[2021-06-11T14:20:36Z] <acheam> it shows registered for me on dynadot.com
[2021-06-11T14:20:48Z] <acheam> wheras it was available for $688 earlier
[2021-06-11T14:21:58Z] <rio6> http://0x0.st/-LBX.png I can still add it to shopping cart on namecheap :shrug:
[2021-06-11T14:22:30Z] <kiedtl> o_O
[2021-06-11T14:22:56Z] <rio6> also is the price per month on namecheap or per year
[2021-06-11T14:23:01Z] <rio6> cuz that looks expensive
[2021-06-11T14:23:04Z] <acheam> year
[2021-06-11T14:23:24Z] <rio6> still expensive :P
[2021-06-11T14:23:33Z] <acheam> whois:  https://l.armaanb.net/tmp.IhPEid
[2021-06-11T14:23:51Z] <acheam> maybe its just being held my namecheap, and thats why you can buy it there?
[2021-06-11T14:24:01Z] <acheam> but it looks like its pointing to parklogic.com
[2021-06-11T14:24:07Z] <acheam> idk man, domains are weird
[2021-06-11T14:25:47Z] <acheam> did my patch not go through on the ML or is the archive just out of date?
[2021-06-11T14:26:44Z] <acheam> if it didnt, dilyn: https://l.armaanb.net/0001-chorizo-new-package-at-1.0.0.patch
[2021-06-11T14:27:18Z] <rio6> what we have an ml?
[2021-06-11T14:27:21Z] <acheam> lol
[2021-06-11T14:27:28Z] <rio6> how do I subscribe XD
[2021-06-11T14:27:41Z] <acheam> email dev+subscribe@k1sslinux.org
[2021-06-11T14:27:49Z] <acheam> and/or community+subscribe@k1sslinux.org
[2021-06-11T14:27:57Z] <aws> hello everyone o/
[2021-06-11T14:28:01Z] <acheam> hi aws 
[2021-06-11T14:28:18Z] <acheam> please don't hurt me with your monopolistic cloud service provider antics
[2021-06-11T14:28:22Z] <aws> i noticed dylan started committing today!
[2021-06-11T14:28:26Z] <acheam> yes!
[2021-06-11T14:28:31Z] <acheam> nothing kiss related yet
[2021-06-11T14:28:39Z] <acheam> but good to see that hes coming back
[2021-06-11T14:29:01Z] <testuser[m]1> hi aws
[2021-06-11T14:29:16Z] <acheam> i wonder what OS he is running
[2021-06-11T14:29:27Z] <ang> acheam, the chorizo package is on the ml
[2021-06-11T14:29:33Z] <acheam> ang: thanks!
[2021-06-11T14:29:46Z] <testuser[m]1> his old kiss install probably
[2021-06-11T14:29:49Z] <acheam> the archives are out of date then
[2021-06-11T14:30:36Z] <acheam> I would have installed Mint or smthng /shrug
[2021-06-11T14:33:57Z] <phoebos> acheam: dilyn's probably still doing the archives manually
[2021-06-11T14:34:17Z] <testuser[m]1> no he said there's a cronjob
[2021-06-11T14:49:19Z] <testuser[m]1> `#if __has_include(<something.h>)` is portable right ?
[2021-06-11T15:30:50Z] <dante> test
[2021-06-11T15:31:31Z] <testuser[m]1> Fail
[2021-06-11T15:31:46Z] <dante> failed, but successfully
[2021-06-11T15:32:12Z] <dante> apparently the nickname dante is already registered but its still letting me send messages
[2021-06-11T15:32:24Z] <midfavila-laptop> :thinking:
[2021-06-11T15:38:21Z] <noocsharp> acheam: your patch went through
[2021-06-11T15:38:58Z] <dante0012> i've been away for a few months what's the state of KISS atm?
[2021-06-11T15:39:26Z] <chaffity> Bois back
[2021-06-11T15:39:32Z] <noocsharp> alive and well
[2021-06-11T15:39:36Z] <dante0012> thank god
[2021-06-11T15:44:03Z] <micr0> o/
[2021-06-11T15:44:47Z] <dante0012> is anyone here using wayland?
[2021-06-11T15:47:42Z] <testuser[m]1> Yes
[2021-06-11T15:48:31Z] <dante0012> is stuff starting to work on it without the need for xwayland?
[2021-06-11T15:50:30Z] <micr0> i dont think i use xwayland
[2021-06-11T15:51:07Z] <testuser[m]1> What stuff
[2021-06-11T15:52:22Z] <micr0> I'm using firefox without xwayland afaik
[2021-06-11T15:52:34Z] <jedavies> dante0012: claudia did some work on a "no xorg" wayland repo a while ago:  https://github.com/sdsddsd1/mywayland
[2021-06-11T15:52:38Z] <testuser[m]1> But not without xlibs
[2021-06-11T15:53:03Z] <testuser[m]1> I have a patch for ff to drop x11 libs, chromium works fine on ayyland without extra patches
[2021-06-11T15:53:06Z] <micr0> so did himmalerin
[2021-06-11T15:53:20Z] <testuser[m]1> What other stuff do you need ?
[2021-06-11T15:53:29Z] <micr0> https://github.com/Himmalerin/kiss-wayland
[2021-06-11T15:55:53Z] <acheam> hey micr0!
[2021-06-11T15:55:57Z] <acheam> long time no see!
[2021-06-11T15:56:57Z] <micr0> hah yeah. my other laptop display got shorted, and now im on my linux one :)
[2021-06-11T15:57:10Z] <micr0> also doing some stuff thats just easier in linux
[2021-06-11T15:57:17Z] <micr0> hope you are doing well acheam
[2021-06-11T15:58:16Z] <dante0012> i'm on arch rn but i might switch back to kiss now that dylan is back
[2021-06-11T15:59:59Z] <micr0> already back on my old BS: day 1 and packaged nodejs-lts xD
[2021-06-11T16:00:13Z] <micr0> woah dylan is back?
[2021-06-11T16:00:23Z] <testuser[m]1> Made a few commits today
[2021-06-11T16:00:26Z] <testuser[m]1> But not here yet
[2021-06-11T16:00:55Z] <dante0012> his github says "back soon" so i assume he's making himself a nice cup of tea and shaking his head at the state of kiss
[2021-06-11T16:01:05Z] <micr0> happy that he is alive. also would be an interesting blog post, how kiss survived with its initial bdfl gone for a while.
[2021-06-11T16:01:49Z] <midfavila-laptop> well, we don't know if dylan's gonna return
[2021-06-11T16:02:02Z] <midfavila-laptop> unless there's been an update?
[2021-06-11T16:02:13Z] <dante0012> https://github.com/dylanaraps - his github status has been changed to "be back soon"
[2021-06-11T16:02:35Z] <testuser[m]1> He's active on gh midfavila's laptop
[2021-06-11T16:02:43Z] <midfavila-laptop> yeah, I knew that
[2021-06-11T16:05:29Z] <acheam> midfavila's laptop:
[2021-06-11T16:05:37Z] <midfavila-laptop> >:V
[2021-06-11T16:13:10Z] <micr0> anyone using a non-sway wayland compositor?
[2021-06-11T16:13:18Z] <micr0> river looked cool but last i checked was difficult to build
[2021-06-11T16:13:43Z] <testuser[m]1> Dilyn uses hikari i think
[2021-06-11T16:15:00Z] <dante0012> i wasn't a fan of hikari when i tried it
[2021-06-11T16:15:04Z] <dante0012> i think sway is cool
[2021-06-11T16:15:19Z] <dante0012> also checkout mcf's one velox i think its called
[2021-06-11T16:17:38Z] <omanom> i was able to get wayfire installed without XWayland
[2021-06-11T16:17:58Z] <omanom> but i don't have anything else beyond foot terminal so its not exactly usable
[2021-06-11T16:18:00Z] <cem> Did midfavila's laptop gain consciousness in order to cry about Athena?
[2021-06-11T16:18:46Z] <cem> omanom: you can use webkit on wayland
[2021-06-11T16:18:58Z] <micr0> omanom foot is so damn comfy
[2021-06-11T16:19:08Z] <omanom> hmm so does that mean lariza/chorizo would work?
[2021-06-11T16:19:26Z] <cem> Yes lariza is pure GTK, so it will work without issues
[2021-06-11T16:19:48Z] <dante0012> foot is lovely
[2021-06-11T16:19:53Z] <dante0012> chromium works natively on wayland
[2021-06-11T16:19:56Z] <dante0012> check arch wiki
[2021-06-11T16:20:05Z] <omanom> yes... but then i'd have to use chromium
[2021-06-11T16:20:13Z] <dante0012> chromiumm isn't thattt bad...
[2021-06-11T16:20:13Z] <micr0> oh, we are out of date on foot. i'll update it to 1.7.2
[2021-06-11T16:20:17Z] <testuser[m]1> omanom: you can build webkit with wayland support, i can send you the build files if you like
[2021-06-11T16:20:21Z] <omanom> i'd prefer lariza if i can get it working, that's all
[2021-06-11T16:20:27Z] <testuser[m]1> You need libwpe stuff too
[2021-06-11T16:20:27Z] <dante0012> ungoogled-chromium is nice
[2021-06-11T16:20:29Z] <cem> eh I don't like foot that much, especially with some TUI programs
[2021-06-11T16:20:39Z] <omanom> testuser[m]1 is it in your wayland repo? otherwise yeah a link would be great
[2021-06-11T16:20:50Z] <testuser[m]1> I haven't put it into my repo cuz webkit just don't wanna work on my machine
[2021-06-11T16:21:05Z] <testuser[m]1>  segfault  without WPE, blank page with WPE
[2021-06-11T16:21:53Z] <testuser[m]1> You'll have to wait till tomorrow :d 
[2021-06-11T16:22:23Z] <testuser[m]1> They're in claudia's wayland repo too but outdated
[2021-06-11T16:22:42Z] <omanom> haha that's fine, no rush.  i haven't even booted that laptop up in a couple weeks now
[2021-06-11T16:24:32Z] <cem> That's really strange
[2021-06-11T16:26:40Z] <cem> I blame glibc
[2021-06-11T16:30:03Z] <micr0> dante0012 I bumped foot from 1.6.2 to 1.7.2 and added a little summary of the breaking changes in the post-install
[2021-06-11T16:30:06Z] <micr0> lots of nice features though
[2021-06-11T16:30:20Z] <dante0012> i'm gonna probably install kiss today i've been on arch for a bit
[2021-06-11T16:30:31Z] <micr0> github.com/jedahan/kiss-wayland
[2021-06-11T16:30:32Z] <micr0> ahh k
[2021-06-11T16:30:42Z] <dante0012> github.com/jedahan/kiss-wayland - nice
[2021-06-11T16:30:50Z] <micr0> also I have no idea if the firefox in my wayland repository will build its been so long xD
[2021-06-11T16:30:57Z] <micr0> lmk if it works or not for you
[2021-06-11T16:31:08Z] <dante0012> will let you know but i'll probably end up using chromium
[2021-06-11T16:31:19Z] <dante0012> well, ungoogled-chromium
[2021-06-11T16:31:44Z] <dante0012> micr0: what's the state of like, games on wayland
[2021-06-11T16:32:08Z] <micr0> probably garbage? but I remember using a Steam AppImage from back in the day
[2021-06-11T16:32:11Z] <dante0012> back in the day i was playing the odd minecraft on kiss with flatpak but i assume wayland completely breaks that
[2021-06-11T16:32:17Z] <micr0> unless your idea of games are rogue-likes
[2021-06-11T16:32:45Z] <dante0012> lol
[2021-06-11T16:32:48Z] <micr0> https://github.com/sdsddsd1/kiss-games
[2021-06-11T16:33:15Z] <dante0012> i'm sure i can play some sort of tetris variant in the terminal
[2021-06-11T16:33:58Z] <chaffity> Somebody packaged Love2d!
[2021-06-11T16:34:48Z] <chaffity> Argh, and OpenTTD. Bliss.
[2021-06-11T16:34:58Z] <micr0> yeah i am testing the love2d build right now
[2021-06-11T16:35:11Z] <micr0> if you have any favorite love2d games, link/lmk and i can try it out
[2021-06-11T16:35:37Z] <micr0> or maybe i check my itch.io backlog....
[2021-06-11T16:35:57Z] <midfavila-laptop> man
[2021-06-11T16:36:06Z] <midfavila-laptop> i love it when I have a valid X config and it doesn't do what it should
[2021-06-11T16:36:11Z] <midfavila-laptop> thanks X.Org
[2021-06-11T16:44:10Z] <dilyn> acheam: your patch did indeed come through, I was just asleep :v 
[2021-06-11T16:44:25Z] <dilyn> I manually move the emails to a folder, and that folder is worked on by a cronjob. so it's half automated
[2021-06-11T16:44:43Z] <dilyn> though I just updated my sieve script so now the automations should all work perfectly... 
[2021-06-11T16:51:43Z] <acheam> coolio
[2021-06-11T17:04:00Z] <midfavila-laptop> smartin Icedove-UXP or..?
[2021-06-11T17:48:54Z] <cem> http://lists.suckless.org/dev/2106/34335.html
[2021-06-11T17:49:47Z] <cem> I love the occasional shitpost on the suckless mailing list
[2021-06-11T17:55:32Z] <midfavila-laptop> haha, that's a good one
[2021-06-11T17:55:49Z] <midfavila-laptop> ">Martin Tournoij - Industry Thought Leader"
[2021-06-11T17:56:01Z] <dante0012> > Suckless.org currently has a score of 100 on Google PageSpeed.
[2021-06-11T17:56:10Z] <dante0012> > This is
[2021-06-11T17:56:11Z] <dante0012>    far too high.
[2021-06-11T17:56:30Z] <midfavila-laptop> we need more 80mb video loops in the background
[2021-06-11T17:56:37Z] <omanom> my fav was "Official Certified Oracle™® Cunt™® (2020)"
[2021-06-11T17:56:49Z] <dante0012> they should just rewrite the site in flash ffs
[2021-06-11T17:56:58Z] <dante0012> considering they love old technology
[2021-06-11T17:57:05Z] <midfavila-laptop> Java applets*
[2021-06-11T17:57:41Z] <midfavila-laptop> >"Some of the content is in German, which was too controversial."
[2021-06-11T17:57:45Z] <midfavila-laptop> amazing
[2021-06-11T18:01:45Z] <dante0012> > There are many modern frameworks but you should really use React in my
[2021-06-11T18:01:45Z] <dante0012> opinion. It is amazing. I do everything with React; I became a millionaire
[2021-06-11T18:01:46Z] <dante0012> by mining Bitcoins with React, I cook my food with React (React curry with
[2021-06-11T18:01:46Z] <dante0012> chickpeas is about as amazing as [12]+3 resulting in the string "123"!),
[2021-06-11T18:01:47Z] <dante0012> and wow, the response from the women when I say I use React!! It's the
[2021-06-11T18:01:47Z] <dante0012> easiest Tinder opening line ever. My cat loves React too.
[2021-06-11T18:16:24Z] <acheam> testuser[m]1: I think you need to disable introspection in gst-plugins
[2021-06-11T18:16:43Z] <acheam> -Dintrospection=disabled
[2021-06-11T18:17:03Z] <acheam> fails to build without it for me, as the whole KISS gtk stack is built without it
[2021-06-11T18:17:22Z] * midfavila-laptop laughs in stable GTK2
[2021-06-11T18:17:27Z] <acheam> stfu
[2021-06-11T18:17:32Z] <midfavila-laptop> make me, geek
[2021-06-11T18:17:44Z] <midfavila-laptop> yer not even an op any more
[2021-06-11T18:17:49Z] <midfavila-laptop> your words hold no power over me
[2021-06-11T18:17:51Z] * acheam stuffs a sock in midfavila's laptop's serial port
[2021-06-11T18:18:01Z] <midfavila-laptop> joke's on you, my laptop has no serial port
[2021-06-11T18:18:22Z] <acheam> jokes on you, you got scammed then
[2021-06-11T18:18:30Z] <midfavila-laptop> not really
[2021-06-11T18:18:37Z] <midfavila-laptop> i can upgrade my laptop with a serial module whenever I want
[2021-06-11T18:18:39Z] <midfavila-laptop> :P 
[2021-06-11T18:20:05Z] <midfavila-laptop> although there's a modem module that occupies the same slot
[2021-06-11T18:20:16Z] <midfavila-laptop> depending on whether it's a hardmodem or not I might go with that instead
[2021-06-11T18:20:39Z] <midfavila-laptop> cruise along the information superhighway at 56kbaud, baby
[2021-06-11T18:21:12Z] <midfavila-laptop> ...well, the baudrate for a 56kbps modem is significantly higher than 56kbaud, but whatever
[2021-06-11T19:05:04Z] <cem> Can I confess to my sin of starting to write a React Native phone app
[2021-06-11T19:06:03Z] <cem> For someone's university senior project, too
[2021-06-11T19:06:08Z] <midfavila> if you want to be impaled and burned alive, yes
[2021-06-11T19:06:22Z] <cem> midfavila: maybe I do
[2021-06-11T19:06:27Z] <midfavila> hot
[2021-06-11T19:06:28Z] <midfavila> literally
[2021-06-11T19:06:53Z] <cem> True, should I groan?
[2021-06-11T19:07:11Z] <midfavila> i imagine you would be too busy cooking to do much, but whatever floats your boat
[2021-06-11T19:07:16Z] <midfavila> what's the project?
[2021-06-11T19:07:47Z] <cem> It's a todo app for the visually impaired
[2021-06-11T19:08:05Z] <cem> And I have never in my life did a phone app
[2021-06-11T19:08:20Z] <midfavila> neat. i would have thought that the blind would use a teletype or something
[2021-06-11T19:08:26Z] <midfavila> make sure to use tabs instead of spaces
[2021-06-11T19:08:30Z] <midfavila>  /s
[2021-06-11T19:08:33Z] <cem> And I had to choose between learning Java and JS
[2021-06-11T19:08:36Z] <cem> I chose JS
[2021-06-11T19:08:50Z] <midfavila> if it's android, couldn't you have used kotlin or clojure?
[2021-06-11T19:08:54Z] <midfavila> those run on the JVM, right?
[2021-06-11T19:09:19Z] <cem> I'm completely unfamiliar with either of those
[2021-06-11T19:09:26Z] <cem> Are they any good?
[2021-06-11T19:09:36Z] <midfavila> idk anything about kotlin, but clojure seems really cool from what I've seen of it
[2021-06-11T19:09:44Z] <midfavila> it's a Scheme dialect 
[2021-06-11T19:10:01Z] <cem> Ah yes lisp
[2021-06-11T19:10:06Z] <midfavila> lithp
[2021-06-11T19:10:10Z] <rio6> people say kotlin is better than java
[2021-06-11T19:10:13Z] <cem> I can at least have some fun
[2021-06-11T19:10:19Z] <cem> Anything is better than Java
[2021-06-11T19:10:22Z] <midfavila> it's not hard to-
[2021-06-11T19:10:24Z] <cem> Maybe except C++
[2021-06-11T19:10:25Z] <midfavila> yeah, was gonna say
[2021-06-11T19:10:31Z] <midfavila> the only thing that's worse than java is JS
[2021-06-11T19:10:48Z] <midfavila> ...but even that's debateable
[2021-06-11T19:10:52Z] <midfavila> debatable*
[2021-06-11T19:11:07Z] <cem> Yeah, I was about to say that
[2021-06-11T19:11:11Z] <omanom> speaking of confessing sins, python kiss package manager now has search functionality https://0x0.st/-Lui.png
[2021-06-11T19:11:21Z] <cem> Oh god
[2021-06-11T19:11:22Z] <midfavila> >piss
[2021-06-11T19:11:24Z] <midfavila> i love it
[2021-06-11T19:11:48Z] <cem> The terms package manager and Python only makes me think of Portage
[2021-06-11T19:12:01Z] <midfavila> more like abortage
[2021-06-11T19:12:01Z] <cem> Ten hours of dependency resolution
[2021-06-11T19:12:08Z] <midfavila> only fucking thing I want to do when using gentoo
[2021-06-11T19:12:19Z] <midfavila> but at least it's not sorcery
[2021-06-11T19:12:38Z] <midfavila> sorcery is really cool, but it's a special kind of pain
[2021-06-11T19:12:42Z] <cem> Yeah, like some packages compile faster than portage generates a dependency graph
[2021-06-11T19:13:01Z] <midfavila> n i c e
[2021-06-11T19:13:07Z] <midfavila> that's what you call good programming
[2021-06-11T19:13:17Z] <cem> That's a pro python move
[2021-06-11T19:13:28Z] <midfavila> does portage run on pypi instead of cython?
[2021-06-11T19:13:32Z] <omanom> lol it takes piss 0.14s to complete that query, whereas kiss takes such little time that `time` lists straight 0s
[2021-06-11T19:13:51Z] <midfavila> "it doesn't matter that python is slow, mid"
[2021-06-11T19:13:57Z] <omanom> probably all loading up of the interpreter
[2021-06-11T19:13:59Z] <cem> > piss
[2021-06-11T19:14:01Z] <cem> I love it
[2021-06-11T19:14:20Z] <omanom> well i mean, its still not anywhere near noticeable to a user
[2021-06-11T19:14:42Z] <GalaxyNova> you could probably get it to go faster if you byte compiled it
[2021-06-11T19:15:16Z] <cem> My computer when I boot up is soo fucking janky that I calculate how much I'll wait before running a command
[2021-06-11T19:15:33Z] <cem> For like the first ten minutes
[2021-06-11T19:15:34Z] <midfavila> ngl KISS can end up pretty janky after a while
[2021-06-11T19:15:35Z] <midfavila> :P 
[2021-06-11T19:15:41Z] <midfavila> but the crust is part of the charm
[2021-06-11T19:15:45Z] <omanom> GalaxyNova is that just using py_compile
[2021-06-11T19:16:34Z] <GalaxyNova> yes
[2021-06-11T19:17:26Z] <cem> I mean, my Carbs system is still real fucking fast compared to the times when I used Arch or Void
[2021-06-11T19:17:54Z] <cem> This dumb fucking computer is the actual reason I started this thing in the first place
[2021-06-11T19:17:55Z] <midfavila> the virgin arch minimalist versus the chad kiss essentialist
[2021-06-11T19:18:35Z] <cem> I hate HP with a burning passion and everyday I never hope to see this computer ever again
[2021-06-11T19:18:41Z] <dilyn> lol
[2021-06-11T19:18:50Z] <dilyn> burn the OEM down
[2021-06-11T19:18:50Z] <zr> Open the window
[2021-06-11T19:18:52Z] <cem> It's getting worse, and I'm not even repairing it because I want to get rid of it as soon as possible
[2021-06-11T19:18:55Z] <zr> and throw it out
[2021-06-11T19:18:59Z] <midfavila> cem dude
[2021-06-11T19:19:02Z] <midfavila> you're gettin' a dell
[2021-06-11T19:19:16Z] <dilyn> build your own PC!
[2021-06-11T19:19:20Z] <dilyn> laptops are overrated 
[2021-06-11T19:19:24Z] <midfavila> i mean, this, yes
[2021-06-11T19:19:33Z] <midfavila> but also stop buying consumer-grade garbage
[2021-06-11T19:19:44Z] <cem> I'm probably getting a Dell or Lenovo
[2021-06-11T19:19:45Z] <zr> cem's hell will be one giant HP mainframe running NewWave
[2021-06-11T19:19:51Z] <midfavila> lmao
[2021-06-11T19:19:56Z] <dilyn> generating more e-waste is the only way to flex on people 
[2021-06-11T19:19:57Z] <cem> zr: lmaoo
[2021-06-11T19:20:04Z] <midfavila> forced to run hpux for all eternity
[2021-06-11T19:20:17Z] <cem> My previous laptop was HP too :^)
[2021-06-11T19:20:22Z] <dilyn> :<
[2021-06-11T19:20:24Z] <dilyn> when will you learn!
[2021-06-11T19:20:31Z] <midfavila> dilyn but consider the following
[2021-06-11T19:20:34Z] <cem> That one was actually good though
[2021-06-11T19:20:36Z] <midfavila> you can actually upgrade old thiccpads
[2021-06-11T19:20:43Z] <midfavila> just get an IBM model smh
[2021-06-11T19:20:54Z] <cem> If my mom didn't start using that, I would actually switch back to it and run ElementaryOS
[2021-06-11T19:20:57Z] <dilyn> aesthetic >>>> upgradeability 
[2021-06-11T19:21:01Z] <dilyn> gimme a carbon x1 pls
[2021-06-11T19:21:07Z] <midfavila> go back to your macbook
[2021-06-11T19:21:09Z] <midfavila> >:C
[2021-06-11T19:21:25Z] <rio6> just connect a keyboard to a phone
[2021-06-11T19:21:35Z] <midfavila> maximum dystopia
[2021-06-11T19:21:38Z] <dilyn> hng
[2021-06-11T19:21:43Z] <cem> I know I say this quite a lot, but I would still be a Linux noobie if it weren't for this dumb computer
[2021-06-11T19:21:48Z] <cem> I would still be a literature student
[2021-06-11T19:21:58Z] <dilyn> and now look at you 
[2021-06-11T19:22:03Z] <cem> I hate my life
[2021-06-11T19:22:04Z] <midfavila> able to scream about CFLAGS with the rest of us
[2021-06-11T19:22:15Z] <cem> That's true
[2021-06-11T19:22:16Z] <dilyn> one of us, one of us...
[2021-06-11T19:22:18Z] <midfavila> you might want to kill yourself every day from buildtime related stress,
[2021-06-11T19:22:22Z] <midfavila> but at least you can flex on arch users
[2021-06-11T19:22:27Z] <cem> CFLAGS are a circlejerk
[2021-06-11T19:22:34Z] <midfavila> meh, yes and no
[2021-06-11T19:22:42Z] <cem> -march=native -mtune generic -pipe -Os
[2021-06-11T19:22:57Z] <cem> I'm not a 4head
[2021-06-11T19:23:17Z] <midfavila> i normally use -pipe -w -O2 -fstack-protector -march=haswell
[2021-06-11T19:23:28Z] <midfavila> with a few additional optimizations depending on machine
[2021-06-11T19:23:52Z] <cem> I have never changed CFLAGS since the day I first installed Gentoo
[2021-06-11T19:24:09Z] <midfavila> if there's a gentoo, was there a genone?
[2021-06-11T19:24:13Z] <dilyn> :c
[2021-06-11T19:24:31Z] <cem> genzee jokes
[2021-06-11T19:24:37Z] <dilyn> I wish agressive CFLAGS were... more worthwhile 
[2021-06-11T19:24:57Z] <dilyn> I feel like too much effort has gone into creating them, only for them to just be... basically worthless? 
[2021-06-11T19:25:06Z] <cem> Yeah, that's the thing. It's not worth the time micro managing cflags
[2021-06-11T19:25:23Z] <dilyn> managing thin LTO is annoying as it is. I couldn't imagine adding more than that 
[2021-06-11T19:25:26Z] <midfavila> aggressive cflags are usually set by upstream
[2021-06-11T19:25:36Z] <midfavila> at least afaik
[2021-06-11T19:25:41Z] <cem> midfavila: Yeah, exactly
[2021-06-11T19:25:58Z] <dilyn> but even that isn't uniform :\
[2021-06-11T19:26:07Z] <midfavila> well, the way I look at it is this
[2021-06-11T19:26:15Z] <midfavila> if they're not set, you're not losing anything
[2021-06-11T19:26:20Z] <dilyn> some maintainers like aggressive CFLAGS, some think you should always be conservative, some will always defer to the user, even when they shouldn't...
[2021-06-11T19:26:21Z] * midfavila shrugs
[2021-06-11T19:26:25Z] <midfavila> no like
[2021-06-11T19:26:28Z] <midfavila> when I say "upstream"
[2021-06-11T19:26:32Z] <midfavila> i mean the software devs
[2021-06-11T19:26:35Z] <dilyn> yes
[2021-06-11T19:26:48Z] <midfavila> i've seen programs that build with -funroll-loops for example, even though I'd never set that myself
[2021-06-11T19:26:54Z] <dilyn> yeah
[2021-06-11T19:28:19Z] <cem> Also lazy people who didn't fix their software after GCC10 and arbitrarily add -fno-common :P
[2021-06-11T19:28:39Z] <midfavila> >mfw I was using gcc8 not too long ago
[2021-06-11T19:29:15Z] <cem> <mfw not surprised mid was using old software
[2021-06-11T19:31:25Z] <midfavila> look,
[2021-06-11T19:31:29Z] <midfavila> no bully
[2021-06-11T19:31:41Z] <midfavila> pls
[2021-06-11T19:31:48Z] <midfavila> i bruise easily
[2021-06-11T19:32:02Z] <cem> midfavila: I'm sorry :(
[2021-06-11T19:32:12Z] <midfavila> as you should be uwu
[2021-06-11T19:59:59Z] <omanom> .17s to list installed packages vs .01s lol
[2021-06-11T20:28:02Z] <noocsharp> omanom: what changed?
[2021-06-11T20:28:28Z] <omanom> almost the entirety of the difference in time is due to python's slow importing
[2021-06-11T20:29:49Z] <noocsharp> oh are you working on a kiss in python?
[2021-06-11T20:31:01Z] <midfavila> piss does appear to be pythonized kiss
[2021-06-11T20:31:12Z] <omanom> yeah just playing around with it 
[2021-06-11T20:31:30Z] <midfavila> i actually want to write a stripped-down KISS in scheme later on...
[2021-06-11T20:31:40Z] <midfavila> it's good to see someone working on a similar project
[2021-06-11T20:32:03Z] <midfavila> "similar" in that it's a non-shell KISS, I mean
[2021-06-11T20:32:24Z] <acheam> king
[2021-06-11T20:32:28Z] <acheam> k
[2021-06-11T20:32:34Z] <acheam> noocsharp's thing
[2021-06-11T20:32:40Z] <acheam> there are a many of them :)
[2021-06-11T20:32:48Z] <midfavila> okay, well, *excuse me*, princess
[2021-06-11T20:32:55Z] <midfavila> it's not like I spend all day in here >:c
[2021-06-11T20:33:09Z] <acheam> you... don't?
[2021-06-11T20:33:15Z] <midfavila> correct
[2021-06-11T20:33:20Z] <acheam> what is this way of living?
[2021-06-11T20:33:33Z] <midfavila> i spend twenty-three hours and fifty-nine minutes per day in here
[2021-06-11T20:33:45Z] <midfavila> the one minute is to make tea
[2021-06-11T20:34:43Z] <acheam> hmm maybe augmented reality goggles that you can wear during the tea making that project this irc channel into your eyeballs?
[2021-06-11T20:34:48Z] <acheam> or a screen reader?
[2021-06-11T20:34:54Z] <acheam> we've gotta bump up your numbers
[2021-06-11T20:35:02Z] <midfavila> you joke, but if I could get a third eye-style gadget I'd already have one
[2021-06-11T20:35:06Z] <noocsharp> tbf i haven't worked on mine in several months
[2021-06-11T20:35:34Z] <dilyn> illiliti is, like with most things, going to be the first to market :v 
[2021-06-11T20:36:27Z] <acheam> illilili himself, or king?
[2021-06-11T20:36:34Z] <acheam> should I be worried about human trafficking?
[2021-06-11T20:36:38Z] <midfavila> nothing to see here
[2021-06-11T20:36:52Z] <midfavila> selling an ILTI body pillow for 12000 USD
[2021-06-11T20:36:53Z] <acheam> are you a... wayfair employee?
[2021-06-11T20:36:59Z] <midfavila> IKEA
[2021-06-11T20:38:32Z] <acheam> got a coupon code?
[2021-06-11T20:38:45Z] <midfavila> not for you
[2021-06-11T20:39:22Z] <acheam> well you've got a lawsuit coming your way in that case
[2021-06-11T20:39:40Z] <noocsharp> wtf why does gas only support at&t syntax
[2021-06-11T20:39:44Z] <acheam> gas?
[2021-06-11T20:39:49Z] <noocsharp> gnu assembler
[2021-06-11T20:39:51Z] <midfavila> because intel syntax needs to die in a fire
[2021-06-11T20:39:58Z] <noocsharp> intel syntax is better in every way
[2021-06-11T20:40:02Z] <acheam> why aren't you using nasm?
[2021-06-11T20:40:04Z] <noocsharp> i am
[2021-06-11T20:40:20Z] <noocsharp> but i was trying to get gcc to compile c to intel asm
[2021-06-11T20:40:28Z] <acheam> ah
[2021-06-11T20:40:44Z] <acheam> tbf supporting two syntices seems annoying
[2021-06-11T20:40:53Z] <acheam> and if you've seen the GNU C style
[2021-06-11T20:41:05Z] <acheam> then obvs they're gonna support the worse asm style
[2021-06-11T20:41:34Z] <acheam> midfavila: you'd like the GNU C style
[2021-06-11T20:41:38Z] <acheam> its very lispy
[2021-06-11T20:41:46Z] <rio6> I know gcc can output intel syntax but that's as far as I used
[2021-06-11T20:41:46Z] <noocsharp> i wonder why
[2021-06-11T20:41:48Z] <midfavila> lithpy
[2021-06-11T20:42:04Z] <midfavila> ith becauth Thtallman liketh LISPth
[2021-06-11T20:43:51Z] <noocsharp> sereral million lines of c++ and they barely support intel syntax
[2021-06-11T20:45:35Z] <noocsharp> actually i probably would prefer nasm support to intel
[2021-06-11T21:05:08Z] <zr> 20:56 <helpfixX> I am getting a font error whenever I try to launch xorg, what do I do? i have fontconfig, terminus-font, libreation-fonts, xorg-server, libinput, xf86-video-amdgpu, sowm, and xinit installed. will post xorg log shortly
[2021-06-11T21:05:23Z] <zr> 20:57 <helpfixX> https://pastebin.com/raw/j0AFvfus is xorg log
[2021-06-11T21:05:25Z] <zr> 20:59 <helpfixX> https://pastebin.com/raw/6rN7pu7U is dmesg output
[2021-06-11T21:05:33Z] <zr> (repeating question from the old channel)
[2021-06-11T21:05:45Z] <helpfixX> sorry for using wrong irc
[2021-06-11T21:06:01Z] <zr> eh no problem
[2021-06-11T21:06:14Z] <zr> it's confusing, all this irc drama :D
[2021-06-11T21:08:11Z] <helpfixX> i am going to post the output of startx
[2021-06-11T21:08:13Z] <helpfixX> will not be on the irc for 1 minute
[2021-06-11T21:13:11Z] <howdoIfixX> i am back
[2021-06-11T21:13:27Z] <howdoIfixX> i do not know how to pipe startx to a file
[2021-06-11T21:13:31Z] <howdoIfixX> so nvm
[2021-06-11T21:13:47Z] <howdoIfixX> but you have the xorg log and stuff
[2021-06-11T21:22:05Z] <howdoIfixX> does anyone know how to fix this?
[2021-06-11T21:23:08Z] <zr> howdoIfixX: patience, many users here probably haven't seen your question yet
[2021-06-11T21:23:14Z] <zr> I'm busy right now, so can't help :V
[2021-06-11T21:23:16Z] <jedavies> You have xf86-input-libinput?
[2021-06-11T21:23:34Z] <howdoIfixX> yes
[2021-06-11T21:23:40Z] <howdoIfixX> i have tried as root
[2021-06-11T21:25:12Z] <jedavies> Works as root?
[2021-06-11T21:25:50Z] <jedavies> If so, check your user is in the "input" group
[2021-06-11T21:26:31Z] <howdoIfixX> no
[2021-06-11T21:26:48Z] <howdoIfixX> user is input group, i have tried using root, it does not work
[2021-06-11T21:27:26Z] <noocsharp> the font errors are usually meaningless
[2021-06-11T21:28:01Z] <noocsharp> and your logs seem to indicate that xorg is starting properly
[2021-06-11T21:28:13Z] <jedavies> You have eudev or some alternative service running?
[2021-06-11T21:33:22Z] <howdoIfixX> i do not know
[2021-06-11T21:33:27Z] <howdoIfixX> i installed eudev
[2021-06-11T21:33:39Z] <howdoIfixX> i i did not start it
[2021-06-11T21:33:44Z] <midfavila> ps -e | grep udevd 
[2021-06-11T21:33:49Z] <midfavila> should tell you whether it's running
[2021-06-11T21:34:12Z] <howdoIfixX> also, do i need libudev-zero for libinput if I have eudev?
[2021-06-11T21:34:17Z] <midfavila> no
[2021-06-11T21:34:29Z] <midfavila> libudev isn't needed if you have udev
[2021-06-11T21:34:46Z] <howdoIfixX> is eudev udev?
[2021-06-11T21:34:58Z] <midfavila> yes. it's just udev without a reliance on systemd
[2021-06-11T21:35:03Z] <howdoIfixX> thx
[2021-06-11T21:35:04Z] <howdoIfixX> am going to reboot from this livecd to check
[2021-06-11T21:38:47Z] <kisslinux> i am helpfixX
[2021-06-11T21:39:38Z] <kisslinux> i mean howdoIfixX
[2021-06-11T21:40:20Z] <kisslinux> the output for the command i got is
[2021-06-11T21:40:29Z] <kisslinux>   254 kiss      0:00 grep udev
[2021-06-11T21:41:03Z] <midfavila> yeah, so, that means that udev isn't running
[2021-06-11T21:41:16Z] <kisslinux> how do i get it to run
[2021-06-11T21:41:28Z] <midfavila> ...tell your init to start it during boot?
[2021-06-11T21:41:52Z] <midfavila> the documentation for your init system should be able to tell you how
[2021-06-11T21:42:09Z] <midfavila> i think busybox init starts processes from inittab, like sysvinit, but I'm not sure
[2021-06-11T21:43:13Z] <kisslinux> i used my text editor to open /etc/iinittab, do I just put "eudev &"?
[2021-06-11T21:44:59Z] <midfavila> no idea. I don't use busybox
[2021-06-11T21:46:02Z] <kisslinux> ln -s /etc/eudev /var/service should work right ?
[2021-06-11T21:46:38Z] * midfavila shrugs?
[2021-06-11T21:46:45Z] <midfavila> doubtful?
[2021-06-11T21:47:11Z] <jedavies> kisslinux: ln -s /etc/sv/udevd /var/service
[2021-06-11T21:48:34Z] <kisslinux> i am going to reboot to check if that fixed  it, will keep posted
[2021-06-11T21:48:41Z] <kisslinux> bye for a sec
[2021-06-11T21:53:23Z] <helpmefixX> Startx still does not work after using ln -s /etc/sv/udevd /var/service
[2021-06-11T21:53:47Z] <jslick0> What is in .xinitrc?
[2021-06-11T21:54:17Z] <helpmefixX> exec sowm
[2021-06-11T21:56:02Z] <noocsharp> what's the output of pgrep udev?
[2021-06-11T21:56:48Z] <helpmefixX> 250
[2021-06-11T21:57:02Z] <noocsharp> ok, so it is running
[2021-06-11T21:57:35Z] <noocsharp> is  .xinitrc executable?
[2021-06-11T21:57:47Z] <noocsharp> and does it have a shebang?
[2021-06-11T21:58:04Z] <helpmefixX> i do not know what a shebang is
[2021-06-11T21:58:11Z] <midfavila> #!
[2021-06-11T21:58:20Z] <noocsharp> put "#!/bin/sh" as the first line
[2021-06-11T21:58:27Z] <noocsharp> and chmod +x .xinitrc
[2021-06-11T21:58:33Z] <midfavila> marks a text file as an executable using the program at the given path
[2021-06-11T22:00:50Z] <helpmefixX> Ok
[2021-06-11T22:00:57Z] <helpmefixX> Startx still fails
[2021-06-11T22:01:15Z] <helpmefixX> I put that line at the beggining
[2021-06-11T22:01:30Z] <helpmefixX> And i made it executable
[2021-06-11T22:02:56Z] <noocsharp> when you say fails, does a black screen show up and it goes back to the console?
[2021-06-11T22:03:36Z] <helpmefixX> Yes
[2021-06-11T22:05:05Z] <noocsharp> have you tried using xf86-video-vesa?
[2021-06-11T22:05:38Z] <helpmefixX> i will try
[2021-06-11T22:05:47Z] <helpmefixX> I already have installed amdgpu tho
[2021-06-11T22:06:51Z] <jedavies> Also does it work as root now what udev is running?
[2021-06-11T22:07:46Z] <helpmefixX> No.
[2021-06-11T22:07:56Z] <helpmefixX> Still fails after installing vesa
[2021-06-11T22:16:03Z] <helpmefixX> I gtg
[2021-06-11T22:18:08Z] <riteo> welp I enabled airplane mode and fell asleep
[2021-06-11T22:18:32Z] <riteo> oh, no more orangutangs?
[2021-06-11T22:46:00Z] <midfavila> no
[2021-06-11T22:46:03Z] <midfavila> we shot them all
[2021-06-11T22:46:06Z] <midfavila> and turned them into vests
[2021-06-11T22:46:09Z] <riteo> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[2021-06-11T22:46:12Z] <midfavila> yes
[2021-06-11T22:46:14Z] <midfavila> and you're next
[2021-06-11T22:46:20Z] <midfavila> you will make a fine hat, riteo
[2021-06-11T22:46:25Z] <riteo> I didn't know I was an orangutang
[2021-06-11T22:46:29Z] <riteo> cool
[2021-06-11T22:46:33Z] <midfavila> humans are apes 
[2021-06-11T22:46:34Z] <midfavila> so like
[2021-06-11T22:46:36Z] <midfavila> it's whatever
[2021-06-11T22:46:39Z] <midfavila> basically the same thing
[2021-06-11T22:46:42Z] <riteo> right, right
[2021-06-11T22:46:49Z] <riteo> what hat will I be?
[2021-06-11T22:46:56Z] <riteo> "A fine hat" is really vague
[2021-06-11T22:46:59Z] <midfavila> what's a stereotypically italian hat
[2021-06-11T22:47:05Z] <riteo> mhh
[2021-06-11T22:47:15Z] <riteo> do we have stereotipical hats?
[2021-06-11T22:47:30Z] <midfavila> i guess since a lot of the mobsters in old american movies were italian... maybe a fedora
[2021-06-11T22:47:31Z] <midfavila> idk
[2021-06-11T22:47:35Z] * midfavila shrugs
[2021-06-11T22:47:42Z] <riteo> eh
[2021-06-11T22:47:54Z] <midfavila> kind of a stretch, i know
[2021-06-11T22:48:01Z] <midfavila> you get off this time
[2021-06-11T22:48:05Z] <riteo> epic
[2021-06-11T22:48:06Z] <midfavila> but mark my words, monkey-man
[2021-06-11T22:48:09Z] <midfavila> one of these days
[2021-06-11T22:48:44Z] <riteo> one of these days what
[2021-06-11T22:48:56Z] <midfavila> i'll leave that... up to you
[2021-06-11T22:49:01Z] <riteo> oh
[2021-06-11T22:49:03Z] <midfavila> cue ominous music, fade to black
[2021-06-11T22:49:08Z] <riteo> truly evil
[2021-06-11T22:49:40Z] <midfavila> actually, I guess I could turn you into a red hat
[2021-06-11T22:49:46Z] <midfavila> :thinking:
[2021-06-11T22:50:10Z] <riteo> now *that's* evil