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2021-05-19T00:04:05 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> does anyone have a repo with syslinux/know how to compile it
2021-05-19T00:04:17 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> because make efi64 gives me some erros
2021-05-19T00:04:19 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> http://sprunge.us/l9yW9Q
2021-05-19T00:04:22 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> *errrors
2021-05-19T00:04:26 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> mid does
2021-05-19T00:04:43 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> link?
2021-05-19T00:05:22 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> https://git.sdf.org/midfavila
2021-05-19T00:05:34 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> */kiss-mfavila
2021-05-19T00:05:49 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> ah, the muldefs
2021-05-19T00:06:04 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> am i the only one who just -z muldefs when i see that
2021-05-19T00:06:10 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> is that bad i don't knwo
2021-05-19T00:20:03 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> getting: Could not prepare Boot variable: No such file or directory
2021-05-19T00:20:09 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> when using efibootmgr
2021-05-19T00:20:19 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> btw i use an nvme disk
2021-05-19T00:20:24 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> midfavila: is the one to ask
2021-05-19T00:20:27 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> if that has anything to do with that
2021-05-19T00:20:38 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> midfavila
2021-05-19T02:57:26 #kisslinux <acheam> I think i've officially dependency helled my kiss-arch hybrid too far to save it
2021-05-19T02:58:06 #kisslinux <acheam> lots of packages (especially rust ones) that neither package manager wants to claim, and pacman always complains about preexisting files
2021-05-19T03:38:46 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> Hi
2021-05-19T03:49:27 #kisslinux <acheam> hey there testuser[m]_
2021-05-19T03:49:35 #kisslinux <acheam> switched matrix providers again?
2021-05-19T03:52:22 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> Something broke on my homeserver and it can't talk to matrix.org and kde.org
2021-05-19T04:01:13 #kisslinux <acheam> :(
2021-05-19T04:01:55 #kisslinux <acheam> ya know, there is always the option just to use IRC instead of a javascript frontend to a node.js backend which is a translation layer to another, simple, understandable protocol
2021-05-19T04:04:03 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> no
2021-05-19T04:04:15 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> I don't use element web
2021-05-19T04:05:43 #kisslinux <acheam> what do you use then?
2021-05-19T04:06:05 #kisslinux <acheam> (that still only eliminates one of those layers)
2021-05-19T04:06:14 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> https://github.com/tulir/gomuks
2021-05-19T04:06:47 #kisslinux <acheam> oh that looks pretty nice
2021-05-19T04:07:02 #kisslinux <acheam> i guess I see the appeal if you're in a lot of matrix rooms, and only a few IRC channels
2021-05-19T04:07:19 #kisslinux <acheam> (but I don't know if thats your case)
2021-05-19T04:07:34 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> Yeah i need only this channel from IRC, and 2 channels from Discord
2021-05-19T04:12:21 #kisslinux <acheam> ah yeah makes sense
2021-05-19T04:12:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't use efi
2021-05-19T04:12:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> and don't touch it
2021-05-19T04:12:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> re: syslinux thingie
2021-05-19T04:13:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> acheam, tag, you're it
2021-05-19T04:24:36 #kisslinux <acheam> oi I don't use efi either
2021-05-19T04:24:44 #kisslinux <acheam> per your reccomendations
2021-05-19T04:24:59 #kisslinux <acheam> s/reccomendations/whining/g
2021-05-19T04:25:00 #kisslinux <movzbl> <acheam> per your whining
2021-05-19T05:06:45 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> i cant boot into kiss. I see it in the boot menu but as soon as i click it it just goes blank for like 1/2 second. I use extlinux and hummingbirg for init
2021-05-19T09:12:48 #kisslinux <aws> hello o/
2021-05-19T09:14:37 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> hi
2021-05-19T09:16:32 #kisslinux <icy> yo
2021-05-19T09:26:44 #kisslinux <aws> this morning i have tried to set up my mail client and i figured out i could send mails with any From: header and it would be send without issues and would not end up in spam to the recipient, and the sender displayed would be anything that i put in From:
2021-05-19T09:27:30 #kisslinux <aws> anyone knows if this is normal smtp behaviour or if i should mail the server owner to tell him that something is misconfigured?
2021-05-19T12:09:09 #kisslinux <acheam> it seems everyone is moving to liberal.chat
2021-05-19T12:09:18 #kisslinux <acheam> libera.chat*
2021-05-19T12:09:22 #kisslinux <acheam> damn auto correct
2021-05-19T12:12:25 #kisslinux <zenomat> are irc channels specific to a certain network?
2021-05-19T12:12:39 #kisslinux <icy> yes
2021-05-19T12:12:44 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> I don't think irc federates
2021-05-19T12:13:06 #kisslinux <icy> it does. you have 'federated' servers forming an irc network.
2021-05-19T12:13:11 #kisslinux <icy> like freenode's round robin.
2021-05-19T12:13:17 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> Oh
2021-05-19T12:13:18 #kisslinux <acheam> I vote we switch tbh
2021-05-19T12:13:33 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> What does "next generation" mean on. The libera site
2021-05-19T12:14:02 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> Any major projects that have switched ?
2021-05-19T12:14:08 #kisslinux <zenomat> i would support that vote
2021-05-19T12:14:15 #kisslinux <acheam> all of ddevaults
2021-05-19T12:14:18 #kisslinux <acheam> https://www.kline.sh/
2021-05-19T12:14:29 #kisslinux <acheam> is from the perspective of a staff member
2021-05-19T12:14:55 #kisslinux <acheam> I also trust jess
2021-05-19T12:16:50 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> > Control of freenode infrastructure will soon be transferred t
2021-05-19T12:16:52 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> How soon
2021-05-19T12:16:58 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> Weeks ?
2021-05-19T12:17:42 #kisslinux <acheam> doesn't matter tbh, because it will happen, even if its months
2021-05-19T12:18:15 #kisslinux <zenomat> i would switch to show support that such moves are ok
2021-05-19T12:18:18 #kisslinux <zenomat> not*
2021-05-19T12:18:40 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Same, I vote we switch
2021-05-19T12:18:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl> The final decision is up to dilyn, however
2021-05-19T12:18:58 #kisslinux <acheam> we could also move to oftc
2021-05-19T12:19:18 #kisslinux <acheam> a more independent option
2021-05-19T12:20:55 #kisslinux <aws> any plan on making a matrix room too ?
2021-05-19T12:21:14 #kisslinux <icy> perhaps we could move to rizon?
2021-05-19T12:21:25 #kisslinux <acheam> isn't rizon the 4chan network?
2021-05-19T12:21:28 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn!
2021-05-19T12:21:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> o/
2021-05-19T12:21:44 #kisslinux <acheam> were discussing libera.chat
2021-05-19T12:21:53 #kisslinux <acheam> check logs
2021-05-19T12:22:30 #kisslinux <icy> acheam: sorta. i quite like it there. probably not for everyone, though.
2021-05-19T12:23:02 #kisslinux <acheam> personally I think I'd rather a network more focused on FOSS and software
2021-05-19T12:23:07 #kisslinux <icy> fair
2021-05-19T12:23:18 #kisslinux <icy> rizon is more shitposty, yeah
2021-05-19T12:24:21 #kisslinux <kiedtl> so it's oftc vs libera
2021-05-19T12:24:33 #kisslinux <acheam> vs tilde.chat?
2021-05-19T12:24:39 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Uh
2021-05-19T12:24:53 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I don't know, I'd prefer we use a more "general-purpose" network
2021-05-19T12:25:02 #kisslinux <kiedtl> if you know what I mean
2021-05-19T12:25:04 #kisslinux <acheam> i mean, Gemini official channel is there
2021-05-19T12:25:12 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah it is pretty specific
2021-05-19T12:25:45 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Gemini was raised and will die on a pubnix though
2021-05-19T12:26:25 #kisslinux <acheam> lol ye
2021-05-19T12:26:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> golly gee willickers
2021-05-19T12:26:52 #kisslinux <kiedtl> wow #libera is busy
2021-05-19T12:27:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's all the hype and outrage :)
2021-05-19T12:27:09 #kisslinux <kiedtl> and the haskell community if falling apart at the seams, trying to decide whether to move to #libera or not
2021-05-19T12:27:20 #kisslinux <kiedtl> dilyn: for a very good reason imo
2021-05-19T12:28:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> perhaps
2021-05-19T12:28:56 #kisslinux <phoebos> ooh nice libera.chat has a node actually close to me
2021-05-19T12:29:01 #kisslinux <phoebos> i vote libera.chat :)
2021-05-19T12:29:47 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> aws: matrix is not KISS, but the channel is bridged
2021-05-19T12:32:32 #kisslinux <acheam> Phoebos: has that ever actually been an issue?
2021-05-19T12:33:29 #kisslinux <aws_> okay
2021-05-19T12:33:38 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> I hope libera is OK with bridging
2021-05-19T12:33:59 #kisslinux <phoebos> lol no but i can totally appreciate the millisecond quicker ping
2021-05-19T12:34:46 #kisslinux <aws_> isn't libera basically the previous staff of freenode
2021-05-19T12:35:06 #kisslinux <acheam> yes
2021-05-19T12:35:25 #kisslinux <acheam> they pretty much unilaterally quit over the last 12hrs or so
2021-05-19T12:36:32 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl: are you on libera.chat? if so can you just nab #kisslinux?
2021-05-19T12:36:34 #kisslinux <aws_> i'm not a kiss linux user but i don't see any problem in switching or bridging to a room in libera.chat
2021-05-19T12:36:53 #kisslinux <acheam> bridging two irc chanells seems inconvenient
2021-05-19T12:37:06 #kisslinux <acheam> and ruins some of the motives of switching
2021-05-19T12:37:17 #kisslinux <acheam> I'd rather be all on one network
2021-05-19T12:38:02 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: just did
2021-05-19T12:38:07 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks!
2021-05-19T12:38:18 #kisslinux <phoebos> we're in
2021-05-19T12:38:25 #kisslinux <acheam> I do think oftc might be better though
2021-05-19T12:38:34 #kisslinux <acheam> libera.chat seems to close to this
2021-05-19T12:38:45 #kisslinux <acheam> and oftc is already well established and proven
2021-05-19T12:38:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl> libera seems like the logical "successor" of freenode though, that's the only reason why I prefer it
2021-05-19T12:41:09 #kisslinux <acheam> https://sourcehut.org/blog/2021-05-19-liberachat/
2021-05-19T12:41:28 #kisslinux <aws_> oh lol
2021-05-19T12:43:41 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn has been fairly quiet
2021-05-19T12:44:06 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> soon
2021-05-19T12:45:51 #kisslinux <travankor> is kiss moving irc networks?
2021-05-19T12:46:37 #kisslinux <acheam> discussing it
2021-05-19T12:46:52 #kisslinux <travankor> thx
2021-05-19T12:49:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> dilyn is quiet because they were making covfefe
2021-05-19T12:56:20 #kisslinux <konimex> please never ever consider rizon
2021-05-19T12:56:47 #kisslinux <aws_> what's rizon
2021-05-19T12:57:07 #kisslinux <kiedtl> 4chan irc
2021-05-19T12:57:16 #kisslinux <kiedtl> in achëams words
2021-05-19T12:57:37 #kisslinux <konimex> time to register my nick
2021-05-19T12:57:49 #kisslinux <aws_> oh ok
2021-05-19T13:01:26 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl: I get an umlaut now?
2021-05-19T13:01:45 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Trying to avoid an unnecessary ping
2021-05-19T13:02:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> dïlÿn
2021-05-19T13:02:17 #kisslinux <travankor> rizon is ironically the network with complimentary bouncers lol
2021-05-19T13:02:29 #kisslinux <travankor> s/the/the only/
2021-05-19T13:02:29 #kisslinux <movzbl> <travankor> rizon is ironically the only network with complimentary bouncers lol
2021-05-19T13:11:13 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> obviously the real solution is dilyn sets up an irc server on the vps dedicated to this channel /s
2021-05-19T13:11:53 #kisslinux <travankor> and then bans matrix bridging
2021-05-19T13:11:59 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> s//s//
2021-05-19T13:11:59 #kisslinux <movzbl> <testuser[m]_> soon
2021-05-19T13:12:12 #kisslinux <buffet> why not just go back to sms....
2021-05-19T13:13:57 #kisslinux <konimex> now that you mentioned it, was there some kind of "mailing list" or "chat rooms" but using the sms protocol
2021-05-19T13:14:38 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> brb subscribing to kiss mail list using my phone
2021-05-19T13:15:35 #kisslinux <buffet> only 3.49 per month, send keyword STOP to 1928KISS to unsubscribe
2021-05-19T13:24:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> we can just do conference calls. everyone has skype
2021-05-19T13:24:35 #kisslinux <acheam> I do have a mumble servet
2021-05-19T13:25:28 #kisslinux <phoebos> a mumble would be cool
2021-05-19T13:27:11 #kisslinux <acheam> Its armaanb.net if you ever wanna join
2021-05-19T13:27:16 #kisslinux <acheam> default pory
2021-05-19T13:29:01 #kisslinux <phoebos> do you spend a lot of time hanging around on it :P
2021-05-19T13:39:35 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Seeing libera go down makes me think we should postpone a channel move until the dust settles
2021-05-19T13:39:49 #kisslinux <kiedtl> So maybe we can bring up the question again in a couple days?
2021-05-19T13:40:22 #kisslinux <konimex> go down as in, the servers are down?
2021-05-19T13:40:43 #kisslinux <aws> why does my client get kicked every 20 minutes
2021-05-19T13:40:49 #kisslinux <acheam> oh is that why I can't connect lol?
2021-05-19T13:41:00 #kisslinux <aws> and that doesn't happen on libera.chat
2021-05-19T13:41:10 #kisslinux <acheam> the thing is, libera *will* have more growing pains
2021-05-19T13:41:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> they probably weren't expecting ten thousand connections in less than 24 hours
2021-05-19T13:41:12 #kisslinux <kiedtl> konimex: unresponsive
2021-05-19T13:41:16 #kisslinux <phoebos> oftc is quite nice tbf
2021-05-19T13:41:17 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ye
2021-05-19T13:41:19 #kisslinux <acheam> ye
2021-05-19T13:41:25 #kisslinux <acheam> oftc is my strong vote
2021-05-19T13:41:43 #kisslinux <phoebos> but there's not really a rush to move
2021-05-19T13:41:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl> yeah
2021-05-19T13:41:55 #kisslinux <acheam> it needs to be done though
2021-05-19T13:42:01 #kisslinux <acheam> but yeah it can wait a bit
2021-05-19T13:46:15 #kisslinux <travankor> libera is apparently up again?
2021-05-19T13:46:27 #kisslinux <kiedtl> aaaand it's down lol
2021-05-19T13:46:27 #kisslinux <travankor> what's the difference bw libera and oftc?
2021-05-19T13:46:49 #kisslinux <kiedtl> libera is the official successor to freenode and is therefore the only reasonable choice
2021-05-19T13:47:35 #kisslinux <acheam> travankor: libera is new and the successor to freenode, OFTC has coexisted with freenode for 2 decades
2021-05-19T13:48:14 #kisslinux <buffet> irc alternative that sends shell stuff and evals that in the client, specifically for kiss when?
2021-05-19T13:48:42 #kisslinux <acheam> inetd service that runs whatever input its given in the shell?
2021-05-19T13:48:54 #kisslinux <travankor> acheam: are you on OFTC?
2021-05-19T13:49:00 #kisslinux <acheam> travankor: yes
2021-05-19T14:08:48 #kisslinux <claudia02> A feature of freenode we rely on atm, is the public logget channel.
2021-05-19T14:09:54 #kisslinux <konimex> even the public logs we have is a third-party service
2021-05-19T14:12:30 #kisslinux <travankor> yes
2021-05-19T14:12:44 #kisslinux <claudia02> Ah I always thougth that was a freenode service. Then libera.chat can have somewhat too prob.
2021-05-19T14:12:47 #kisslinux <travankor> someone in here could run a logger
2021-05-19T14:13:22 #kisslinux <acheam> i
2021-05-19T14:13:33 #kisslinux <acheam> 'm sure that globbot will quickly adapt
2021-05-19T14:13:43 #kisslinux <acheam> but I am already running pounce, I can just run the web component too
2021-05-19T14:13:46 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://git.causal.agency/litterbox/about/ for the catgirl fans
2021-05-19T14:13:53 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> ayy good timing haha
2021-05-19T14:13:57 #kisslinux <acheam> s/pounce/litterbox/g
2021-05-19T14:13:58 #kisslinux <movzbl> <acheam> but I am already running litterbox, I can just run the web component too
2021-05-19T14:14:02 #kisslinux <acheam> ye lol
2021-05-19T14:14:16 #kisslinux <konimex> globbot already logs 3 servers so should be easy to setup
2021-05-19T14:18:57 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> where are the logs hosted by globbot
2021-05-19T14:21:30 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> oh you mean more that globbot will just add support for libera chat / wherever's channels
2021-05-19T14:21:42 #kisslinux <konimex> yes
2021-05-19T14:23:21 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ominous_anonymou: see the topic
2021-05-19T14:25:15 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> yes i knew about that, i just didn't put together that globbot was logbot
2021-05-19T14:26:25 #kisslinux <kiedtl> oh
2021-05-19T14:37:08 #kisslinux <mmatongo> hi
2021-05-19T14:37:34 #kisslinux <acheam> hi mmatongo
2021-05-19T14:38:57 #kisslinux <mmatongo> hi acheam
2021-05-19T14:39:42 #kisslinux <acheam> I asume you're oblivious to whats happening on freenode rn?
2021-05-19T14:39:43 #kisslinux <mmatongo> How are you doing
2021-05-19T14:39:50 #kisslinux <acheam> doing alright
2021-05-19T14:39:52 #kisslinux <acheam> you?
2021-05-19T14:39:56 #kisslinux <mmatongo> yeah
2021-05-19T14:40:21 #kisslinux <mmatongo> what's happening, haven't been online in a few weeks
2021-05-19T14:40:27 #kisslinux <mmatongo> I'm fantastic
2021-05-19T14:40:31 #kisslinux <acheam> https://kline.sh
2021-05-19T14:43:39 #kisslinux <mmatongo> well
2021-05-19T14:43:47 #kisslinux <mmatongo> im caught up
2021-05-19T14:45:27 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> XD
2021-05-19T14:45:35 #kisslinux <aarng> I'd prefer a well established network instead of the next new shiny thing
2021-05-19T14:45:43 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> do you have a preference in regards to liberachat, OFTC, or something else
2021-05-19T14:46:05 #kisslinux <aarng> but I will also have to compare features loke ircv3 stuff
2021-05-19T14:46:27 #kisslinux <aarng> like*
2021-05-19T14:46:32 #kisslinux <acheam> aarng: same
2021-05-19T14:46:54 #kisslinux <acheam> isn't there a KISS guidestone like that?
2021-05-19T14:47:16 #kisslinux <kiedtl> pragmatism over simplicity
2021-05-19T14:47:28 #kisslinux <aarng> regarding "next new shiny thing"? I think it's mentioned somewhere
2021-05-19T14:48:51 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> Yeah, in the guidestones: "Avoid the next new shiny thing until or unless certain that it brings real improvements over what it is intended to replace."
2021-05-19T14:49:00 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ah
2021-05-19T14:49:26 #kisslinux <acheam> well, switching does bring improvements
2021-05-19T14:49:36 #kisslinux <acheam> but do we switch to the shiny thing, or the tried and tru ething
2021-05-19T14:49:48 #kisslinux <mmatongo> in this case our data is being sold
2021-05-19T14:49:58 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> Well depending on how they do things, liberachat might just be freenode by a different name
2021-05-19T14:50:00 #kisslinux <travankor> what makes libera shiny if it's run by IRC veterans?
2021-05-19T14:50:05 #kisslinux <E5ten> At this point matrix doesn't have a bridge to libera yet so I'd vote oftc lol
2021-05-19T14:50:14 #kisslinux <mmatongo> And isn't libera just irc
2021-05-19T14:50:30 #kisslinux <travankor> is there a OFTC-matrix bridge?
2021-05-19T14:50:39 #kisslinux <E5ten> travankor: yeah
2021-05-19T14:50:46 #kisslinux <travankor> nice, didn't know that
2021-05-19T14:50:49 #kisslinux <acheam> mmatongo: yes
2021-05-19T14:50:50 #kisslinux <buffet> personally id just hold out for a while more, wait for matrix to bridge, and then consider liberachat
2021-05-19T14:50:52 #kisslinux <konimex> mmatongo: different irc network though
2021-05-19T14:50:54 #kisslinux <kiedtl> mmatongo: the issue with freenode is that it's not owned by a hostile entity, and is no longer a democratic-esque volunteer run network
2021-05-19T14:50:59 #kisslinux <kiedtl> that's not the case with libera
2021-05-19T14:51:12 #kisslinux <kiedtl> it's not just "freenode with a different name"
2021-05-19T14:51:34 #kisslinux <buffet> libera is owned by a hostile entity?
2021-05-19T14:51:42 #kisslinux <buffet> im confused
2021-05-19T14:51:57 #kisslinux <E5ten> I think he meant "now owned" not "not owned"?
2021-05-19T14:52:23 #kisslinux <buffet> ah yea
2021-05-19T14:52:54 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> well i meant more that if libera is all freenode expats and all the bridging/logging/nickserv/whatever features are moved over... isn't it just freenode at that point?
2021-05-19T14:53:13 #kisslinux <konimex> well that's probably the point
2021-05-19T14:53:16 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> "freenode as we knew it" i guess
2021-05-19T14:53:19 #kisslinux <aws_> yes
2021-05-19T14:53:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> ^
2021-05-19T14:53:24 #kisslinux <kiedtl> E5ten: oops yeah
2021-05-19T14:53:40 #kisslinux <kiedtl> yeah, pretty much
2021-05-19T14:53:49 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> essentially a ship of theseus situation lol
2021-05-19T14:53:53 #kisslinux <E5ten> Then I guess I vote for that and assume matrix will bridge to it soon (cuz I assume the bridge code will be entirely reusable aside from changing a name in some places)
2021-05-19T14:54:18 #kisslinux <E5ten> Seems like hopefully a smoother transition if it's gonna be the same as freenode lol
2021-05-19T15:07:08 #kisslinux <aarng> tilde.chat was mentioned
2021-05-19T15:07:23 #kisslinux <aarng> it has great ircv3 support
2021-05-19T15:07:51 #kisslinux <acheam> I know some channels moved to tilde.chat
2021-05-19T15:08:01 #kisslinux <kiedtl> >I don't know, I'd prefer we use a more "general-purpose" network
2021-05-19T15:08:01 #kisslinux <acheam> but kisslinux isn't really tilde-related
2021-05-19T15:08:03 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ^^
2021-05-19T15:08:14 #kisslinux <acheam> lol quotung yourself?
2021-05-19T15:08:26 #kisslinux <kiedtl> yeah
2021-05-19T15:08:27 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol
2021-05-19T15:09:49 #kisslinux <aarng> at least according to ircv3.net, there are only a few networks covering most ircv3 features
2021-05-19T15:10:14 #kisslinux <aarng> tilde, snoonet (reddit) and something polish
2021-05-19T15:10:29 #kisslinux <acheam> why do you care about v3?
2021-05-19T15:11:34 #kisslinux <aarng> specifically because of server-time and echo-message
2021-05-19T15:12:27 #kisslinux <aarng> irc clients printing your own messages is one big hack
2021-05-19T15:12:49 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm most clients ive tried handle it well
2021-05-19T15:12:55 #kisslinux <acheam> especially emacs clients
2021-05-19T15:13:15 #kisslinux <aarng> they all do, it's not a hard problem to solve at all
2021-05-19T15:13:29 #kisslinux <aarng> it's just stupid, that's all
2021-05-19T15:14:50 #kisslinux <aws_> do you guys also get disconnected ?
2021-05-19T15:14:57 #kisslinux <aws_> from freenode
2021-05-19T15:15:02 #kisslinux <konimex> nope
2021-05-19T15:15:32 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> no, i don't either
2021-05-19T15:16:07 #kisslinux <aws_> I get Ping Timeout
2021-05-19T15:18:12 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> what irc client are you using?
2021-05-19T15:18:17 #kisslinux <aws_> ircrc
2021-05-19T15:27:38 #kisslinux <nerditup> so libera?
2021-05-19T15:29:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> row row, fight the powah
2021-05-19T15:30:02 #kisslinux <nerditup> I'll probably point my client to both networks and see where people land
2021-05-19T15:30:25 #kisslinux <phoebos> what the hell is going on in libera#kisslinux atm
2021-05-19T15:30:37 #kisslinux <travankor> spammers?
2021-05-19T15:30:46 #kisslinux <phoebos> geeez
2021-05-19T15:31:57 #kisslinux <phoebos> kiedtl: do you wanna set +r
2021-05-19T15:37:15 #kisslinux <phoebos> midfavila: http://ix.io/3njw
2021-05-19T15:38:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> nice
2021-05-19T15:38:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> i need to tinker with my histogram generator some more.
2021-05-19T15:38:45 #kisslinux <phoebos> took me a while to find out how shitty arrays are in c
2021-05-19T15:38:47 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> The matrix bridge should support libera soon
2021-05-19T15:38:47 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> TM
2021-05-19T15:38:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't know if I'd call arrays shitty
2021-05-19T15:39:01 #kisslinux <kiedtl> phoebos: yeah, probably will if it happens again
2021-05-19T15:39:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> but they're definitely a little funky
2021-05-19T15:39:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> can I see the source for your program?
2021-05-19T15:39:46 #kisslinux <phoebos> there being no way to dynamically find their length is... annoying
2021-05-19T15:39:49 #kisslinux <phoebos> sure
2021-05-19T15:40:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, I'm sure there's some function that can return the length of a given array
2021-05-19T15:41:24 #kisslinux <phoebos> http://ix.io/3njz
2021-05-19T15:41:59 #kisslinux <phoebos> it depends what you end your array with
2021-05-19T15:42:22 #kisslinux <phoebos> but i had the problem of passing the array to a function and then trying to find the length
2021-05-19T15:42:26 #kisslinux <phoebos> nono
2021-05-19T15:42:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> hmm. I didn't realize that you could just put X-Y as a definition
2021-05-19T15:43:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> i ended up dealing directly with the numeric value of characters, which was a tad clunky.
2021-05-19T15:43:19 #kisslinux <phoebos> the preprocessor literally replaces all your #defines before compiling
2021-05-19T15:43:35 #kisslinux <phoebos> can i see yours?
2021-05-19T15:43:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> i know how the C preprocessor works
2021-05-19T15:43:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> and sure
2021-05-19T15:44:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> http://0x0.st/-jUj.c
2021-05-19T15:44:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's kind of ugly, but it works
2021-05-19T15:45:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> i need to clean up the formatting so that it's consistent, too. maybe I should do that today
2021-05-19T15:45:23 #kisslinux <phoebos> ah it's nice
2021-05-19T15:45:30 #kisslinux <phoebos> simple code is best code
2021-05-19T15:45:38 #kisslinux * midfavila nods
2021-05-19T15:45:48 #kisslinux * phoebos nods
2021-05-19T15:45:54 #kisslinux * midfavila nod-nods.
2021-05-19T15:46:04 #kisslinux <phoebos> um
2021-05-19T15:46:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> :v
2021-05-19T15:46:40 #kisslinux <phoebos> >still don't know what that means
2021-05-19T15:46:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> what, ':v'
2021-05-19T15:46:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> ?
2021-05-19T15:46:56 #kisslinux <phoebos> ye
2021-05-19T15:47:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> generic expression of laughter
2021-05-19T15:47:13 #kisslinux <phoebos> ohhh
2021-05-19T15:47:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's a more elegant expression, from a more... civilized age
2021-05-19T15:47:23 #kisslinux <phoebos> um it doesn't look like that
2021-05-19T15:47:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay, well, we don't have emojis
2021-05-19T15:47:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I don't think #kisslinux would appreciate me posting webps
2021-05-19T15:47:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> so you have to tolerate emoticons
2021-05-19T15:48:05 #kisslinux <konimex> if by civilized age you meant 2010-2013's local facebook "rage comic" fanpage, sure
2021-05-19T15:48:08 #kisslinux <konimex> that emoticon was all the rage
2021-05-19T15:48:12 #kisslinux <phoebos> 🤣
2021-05-19T15:48:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's it's like you've never used facebook messenger before
2021-05-19T15:48:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> i literally haven't.
2021-05-19T15:48:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've never used facebook or any other social media platform.
2021-05-19T15:48:51 #kisslinux <phoebos> we have unicode, we have emojis.
2021-05-19T15:49:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> unicode is bloat unless purely necessary
2021-05-19T15:49:03 #kisslinux <travankor> 😎
2021-05-19T15:49:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> will stick with emoticons
2021-05-19T15:49:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can fight me over that
2021-05-19T15:49:24 #kisslinux <phoebos> people with funky letters disagree with you
2021-05-19T15:49:34 #kisslinux <phoebos> but i do vastly prefer emoticons
2021-05-19T15:49:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> note the "purely neccessary"
2021-05-19T15:49:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> also
2021-05-19T15:49:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> reminder that high ASCII exists
2021-05-19T15:49:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> that has... *some* funky letters.
2021-05-19T15:50:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> and boxes!
2021-05-19T15:50:43 #kisslinux <phoebos> wikipedia section two: proprietary extensions
2021-05-19T15:50:50 #kisslinux <phoebos> section 4: character set confusion
2021-05-19T15:50:57 #kisslinux <phoebos> sounds like a no
2021-05-19T15:51:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> recall my qualifying statement
2021-05-19T15:51:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> >unless absoutely necessary
2021-05-19T15:51:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> international usage requires unicode
2021-05-19T15:51:35 #kisslinux <phoebos> voila
2021-05-19T15:51:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> but for english and some other languages, ascii is "good enough"
2021-05-19T15:51:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> people keep posting things that are just empty boxes :v
2021-05-19T15:52:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> >he doesn't have unifont installed
2021-05-19T15:52:07 #kisslinux <phoebos> big oof
2021-05-19T15:52:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> this is why oldschool emoticons are bae, and basic english letters reign supreme
2021-05-19T15:52:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> why would i want more than one font smh
2021-05-19T15:52:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> in case someone decides to post weird shit
2021-05-19T15:52:34 #kisslinux <jslick> □ □ □
2021-05-19T15:52:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> posting literal boxes. bold move.
2021-05-19T15:54:12 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> 
2021-05-19T15:54:34 #kisslinux <travankor> (ノ°�°)ノ
2021-05-19T15:54:47 #kisslinux <phoebos> φοιβος
2021-05-19T15:54:48 #kisslinux <acheam> ¯_ (ツ) _/¯
2021-05-19T15:55:08 #kisslinux <mmatongo> so are we moving to libera
2021-05-19T15:55:15 #kisslinux <jslick> it's not bold; can't figure out how to bold it
2021-05-19T15:55:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> what the hell is libera
2021-05-19T15:55:18 #kisslinux <jslick> <b>□</b>
2021-05-19T15:55:23 #kisslinux <acheam> lolol
2021-05-19T15:55:23 #kisslinux <jslick> ■
2021-05-19T15:55:26 #kisslinux <jslick> oh there we go
2021-05-19T15:55:32 #kisslinux <acheam> http://Kline.sh
2021-05-19T15:55:37 #kisslinux <travankor> behold the box
2021-05-19T15:55:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, right
2021-05-19T15:55:41 #kisslinux <acheam> oftc is superior
2021-05-19T15:55:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> that was a thing
2021-05-19T15:55:53 #kisslinux <travankor> it's the latest meme
2021-05-19T15:55:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is the legit one then
2021-05-19T15:55:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> huh
2021-05-19T15:56:09 #kisslinux <travankor> yes
2021-05-19T15:56:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, if it's the case, I'd support moving away from freenode.
2021-05-19T15:57:41 #kisslinux <travankor> I guess we wait to hear the BDFL's words of wisdom
2021-05-19T15:58:32 #kisslinux * midfavila nods
2021-05-19T15:59:05 #kisslinux <mmatongo> how did you do that
2021-05-19T15:59:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> /me
2021-05-19T15:59:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> /me
2021-05-19T15:59:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> gotim
2021-05-19T15:59:23 #kisslinux <mmatongo> midfavila
2021-05-19T15:59:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> draw steel, brigand
2021-05-19T15:59:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> such affronts shant be tolerated in my presence
2021-05-19T15:59:48 #kisslinux <phoebos> ᾶ
2021-05-19T16:00:01 #kisslinux * travankor ¤=[]:::::>
2021-05-19T16:00:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> :V
2021-05-19T16:00:16 #kisslinux <mmatongo> :-O
2021-05-19T16:00:31 #kisslinux * midfavila ¤==[]:::::::::::::::::::::>
2021-05-19T16:00:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> mine is bigger
2021-05-19T16:00:35 #kisslinux <travankor> mmatongo: are you ready to fite?
2021-05-19T16:00:38 #kisslinux <phoebos> μηνιν αέῖδε θεᾶ
2021-05-19T16:00:38 #kisslinux <travankor> oh noes
2021-05-19T16:00:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> this chat looks like nightmare text rn
2021-05-19T16:00:56 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: we await your decision
2021-05-19T16:01:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-05-19T16:01:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> that sourcehut made the switch means it's promising
2021-05-19T16:01:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> we'll play wait-and-see :)
2021-05-19T16:01:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> I imagine freenode will have something to say about all this
2021-05-19T16:01:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> follow the devault
2021-05-19T16:01:40 #kisslinux <mmatongo> i will bleed you
2021-05-19T16:01:47 #kisslinux <phoebos> i feel like "freenode" (the devs) have all just gone
2021-05-19T16:01:59 #kisslinux <acheam> yes, any new messages you see will be from PIA
2021-05-19T16:02:10 #kisslinux <konimex> I'm surprised the sourcehut guys don't self host or made a sr.ht compliant IRC server
2021-05-19T16:02:12 #kisslinux <travankor> not just a feeling, that's literally what happened :V
2021-05-19T16:02:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> jesus no
2021-05-19T16:02:22 #kisslinux <E5ten> yeah I think it seems like just staying with freenode is definitely not an option?
2021-05-19T16:02:40 #kisslinux <acheam> konimex: they are planning to host a web client
2021-05-19T16:02:47 #kisslinux <acheam> based on emersion's gamja
2021-05-19T16:02:59 #kisslinux <konimex> just a client? not a server too?
2021-05-19T16:02:59 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> but you can only connect through drew's gemini server somehow
2021-05-19T16:03:01 #kisslinux <acheam> staying with freenode means going to libera
2021-05-19T16:03:03 #kisslinux <acheam> konimex: i think so
2021-05-19T16:03:07 #kisslinux <travankor> sourcehut is not very unixy
2021-05-19T16:03:15 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah
2021-05-19T16:03:21 #kisslinux <acheam> but its the most unixy
2021-05-19T16:03:27 #kisslinux <konimex> they already hosted git, I thought hosted IRC should be one of their goals
2021-05-19T16:03:40 #kisslinux <acheam> can't hurt to ask
2021-05-19T16:03:44 #kisslinux <acheam> it was brought up a while ago
2021-05-19T16:03:57 #kisslinux <phoebos> oftc is like that but they started with irc
2021-05-19T16:04:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> but if we switch ~now~ e5ten can't connect :'(
2021-05-19T16:04:23 #kisslinux <konimex> yeah, I'd rather not, let's just say not really a fan of sourcehut
2021-05-19T16:04:26 #kisslinux <phoebos> don't think they've got round to git hosting yet
2021-05-19T16:04:26 #kisslinux <acheam> so switch to OFTC
2021-05-19T16:04:37 #kisslinux <acheam> ?
2021-05-19T16:04:55 #kisslinux <E5ten> dilyn: I think libera is still having trouble with the mass flow of new users anyway, so if that's the one you want to switch to you should probably wait anyway lol
2021-05-19T16:05:03 #kisslinux <E5ten> and if you switch to oftc I'd be able to connect
2021-05-19T16:05:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> mmhmm
2021-05-19T16:05:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't know much about oftc... let's see
2021-05-19T16:05:39 #kisslinux <E5ten> but I expect matrix will add a bridge for libera soonish anyway
2021-05-19T16:05:53 #kisslinux <E5ten> so if you switch and I'm not able to connect for a bit whatever lol
2021-05-19T16:06:16 #kisslinux <konimex> can't register new channels for projects in libera as they're busy (8000 new users, after all)
2021-05-19T16:06:33 #kisslinux <konimex> whoops, wrong channel
2021-05-19T16:07:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'll have to read about what's up with libera some more...
2021-05-19T16:08:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> but I would miss you so much e5ten
2021-05-19T16:09:00 #kisslinux <phoebos> :'(
2021-05-19T16:09:01 #kisslinux <travankor> ruude
2021-05-19T16:09:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> kiwiirc doesn't have it as a network option either rn
2021-05-19T16:09:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm too lazy to manually add it (:
2021-05-19T16:09:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> oftc is cute
2021-05-19T16:09:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> have they actually done anything beyond irc? they even mention vcs
2021-05-19T16:09:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> they seem very do-it-all lmao
2021-05-19T16:11:00 #kisslinux <phoebos> "OFTC aims to provide many services to the community, including but not limited to mailing lists, project web pages, NNTP, and ultimately CVS. "
2021-05-19T16:11:19 #kisslinux <phoebos> https://oftc.net/FAQ/General_Questions/
2021-05-19T16:11:37 #kisslinux <kiedtl> >CVS
2021-05-19T16:11:49 #kisslinux <phoebos> >Currently, OFTC provides an IRC network for use.
2021-05-19T16:12:09 #kisslinux <konimex> well it is an old one after all, oftc probably predates git
2021-05-19T16:13:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-05-19T16:13:16 #kisslinux <Rio6> we're switching irc server?
2021-05-19T16:14:15 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Rio6: we're waiting to see how libera goes
2021-05-19T16:14:27 #kisslinux <kiedtl> If libera gets a matrix bridge there's a chance we may take libera
2021-05-19T16:14:29 #kisslinux <kiedtl> if not, oftc
2021-05-19T16:14:32 #kisslinux <Rio6> oh just saw the post about freenode
2021-05-19T16:14:49 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Though I'd hate to stay on oftc just for one channel :(
2021-05-19T16:15:43 #kisslinux <konimex> I'd say give a few days, they're setting up a bridge for libera iirc
2021-05-19T16:15:53 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> Yeah they're working on it
2021-05-19T16:15:57 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Nice
2021-05-19T16:16:25 #kisslinux <kiedtl> hm, four out of six channels that I"m in here have moved to libera
2021-05-19T16:16:47 #kisslinux <kiedtl> only #zig and this channel holds out, and #zig only stays here because andrewrk hasn't woken up yet
2021-05-19T16:17:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm jumping on libera asap
2021-05-19T16:17:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> they have a bunch of channels I'm into.
2021-05-19T16:17:18 #kisslinux <kiedtl> neat
2021-05-19T16:18:27 #kisslinux <acheam> konimex: OFTC has existed since 2001
2021-05-19T16:18:33 #kisslinux <acheam> so thats after Git I think?
2021-05-19T16:18:48 #kisslinux <phoebos> 2005
2021-05-19T16:18:51 #kisslinux <phoebos> was git
2021-05-19T16:18:53 #kisslinux <konimex> git was created in 2005
2021-05-19T16:18:59 #kisslinux <acheam> oh
2021-05-19T16:19:00 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah
2021-05-19T16:19:01 #kisslinux <konimex> so yeah, pretty much older than git
2021-05-19T16:19:05 #kisslinux <acheam> still... CVS?
2021-05-19T16:19:12 #kisslinux <konimex> that explains CVS
2021-05-19T16:19:24 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl: there are lots of nice channels on OFTC
2021-05-19T16:19:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> wtf
2021-05-19T16:19:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> i can't register my nick
2021-05-19T16:19:32 #kisslinux <phoebos> they don't actually have cvs hosting! (yet)
2021-05-19T16:19:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> >:ccc
2021-05-19T16:19:35 #kisslinux <konimex> well it was 2001 after all, CVS was probably the best they have
2021-05-19T16:19:36 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah nickserv is laggy a bit
2021-05-19T16:19:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> nah, it fails to send an email to my SDF address
2021-05-19T16:19:49 #kisslinux <konimex> s/have/had
2021-05-19T16:20:07 #kisslinux <phoebos> midfavila: that's happening, try more times
2021-05-19T16:20:11 #kisslinux <kiedtl> midfavila: nickserv is a bit overloaded due to the influx of users
2021-05-19T16:20:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> they're getting rate-limited or something
2021-05-19T16:20:27 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I had to try a couple of times
2021-05-19T16:20:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> That makes sense, I guess.
2021-05-19T16:20:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'll give it a shot in a few hours, when things have calmed down
2021-05-19T16:22:09 #kisslinux <aarng> ok, I vote libera
2021-05-19T16:22:13 #kisslinux <aarng> it supports echo-message
2021-05-19T16:22:58 #kisslinux <aarng> :tantalum.libera.chat CAP * LS :account-notify away-notify chghost extended-join multi-prefix sasl=PLAIN,ECDSA-NIST256P-CHALLENGE,EXTERNAL tls userhost-in-names account-tag cap-notify echo-message solanum.chat/identify-msg solanum.chat/realhost
2021-05-19T16:24:30 #kisslinux <miskatonic> alpine-linux is moving to oftc
2021-05-19T16:28:56 #kisslinux <phoebos> midfavila: what char is your histogram printing with value 178?
2021-05-19T16:29:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> ah
2021-05-19T16:29:10 #kisslinux <phoebos> is it a Ÿ ?
2021-05-19T16:29:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay, so normally in high ascii that should be a filled block
2021-05-19T16:29:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least afaik
2021-05-19T16:29:26 #kisslinux <phoebos> oo
2021-05-19T16:29:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it doesn't work
2021-05-19T16:29:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is sadness.
2021-05-19T16:29:36 #kisslinux <phoebos> f
2021-05-19T16:29:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> xterm only seems to support low ascii
2021-05-19T16:29:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is to be expected I guess
2021-05-19T16:30:04 #kisslinux <Rio6> nickserv on libera doesn't let me register - anyone else?
2021-05-19T16:30:13 #kisslinux <phoebos> Rio6: give it a moment
2021-05-19T16:30:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> wait a few hours Rio6
2021-05-19T16:30:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm running into the same problem
2021-05-19T16:30:24 #kisslinux <phoebos> look at the topic in #libera
2021-05-19T16:30:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> i imagine they're getting pretty hammered
2021-05-19T16:30:55 #kisslinux <travankor> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Andrew_Lee_(entrepreneur)&diff=1021364429&oldid=1018147463
2021-05-19T16:31:31 #kisslinux <konimex> well, people are requesting cloaks at #libera at their servers now
2021-05-19T16:32:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> and clocks
2021-05-19T16:32:16 #kisslinux <phoebos> it's madness
2021-05-19T16:32:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, it's crazy
2021-05-19T16:36:11 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> is there a reason user cloaks aren't default?
2021-05-19T16:36:21 #kisslinux <eternalrain> hi, is it possible to run discord on kiss?
2021-05-19T16:36:37 #kisslinux <konimex> holdover from the freenode days?
2021-05-19T16:36:42 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> No why would you run electron garbage on kiss
2021-05-19T16:36:43 #kisslinux <phoebos> i think discord is an electron app?
2021-05-19T16:36:48 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> Just use it in the browser
2021-05-19T16:37:08 #kisslinux <konimex> eternalrain: just run discord from the web client
2021-05-19T16:37:09 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> Or use an unofficial client https://github.com/bios-marcel/cordless
2021-05-19T16:37:18 #kisslinux <miskatonic> electron is anti-unixish par excellence
2021-05-19T16:38:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> dicksword is indeed electron
2021-05-19T16:39:18 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> Best to run it in browser so it can't spy on your processes either for "abcd is playing xyz"
2021-05-19T16:39:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> i just use the pidgin plugin
2021-05-19T16:39:34 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-05-19T16:39:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> adds maybe two or three megs to its memory usage, versus having to run an entire browser
2021-05-19T16:40:29 #kisslinux <aarng> not using discord adss 0 megs
2021-05-19T16:40:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm working on not using discord
2021-05-19T16:40:51 #kisslinux * buffet is playing Emacs
2021-05-19T16:40:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I've got a few friends who can't into IRC or email
2021-05-19T16:41:41 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> then are they really friends at all?
2021-05-19T16:42:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can't use my own logic against me
2021-05-19T16:42:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's not how this works
2021-05-19T16:42:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> >:c
2021-05-19T16:42:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> > don't use email
2021-05-19T16:42:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> wtf
2021-05-19T16:43:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> they're zoomers
2021-05-19T16:43:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> if it's not instagram or discord they don't use it
2021-05-19T16:43:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> :v
2021-05-19T16:43:47 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> Same
2021-05-19T16:43:47 #kisslinux <travankor> tfw zoomer :v
2021-05-19T16:44:09 #kisslinux <travankor> don't use prorietary botnet tho
2021-05-19T16:44:20 #kisslinux <travankor> s/proietary/proprietary/
2021-05-19T16:44:20 #kisslinux <movzbl> <travankor> don't use prorietary botnet tho
2021-05-19T16:44:22 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> I mean my friends
2021-05-19T16:44:43 #kisslinux <konimex> how do they register their accounts at various services? phone numbers?
2021-05-19T16:47:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> they either have some gmail they don't use to register their bullshit to
2021-05-19T16:48:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> or maybe zoomers got savvy and discovered tempmail
2021-05-19T16:48:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> mid, as our resident youth
2021-05-19T16:48:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> what are the zoomers doing?
2021-05-19T16:48:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> they're using gmail to sign up and that's all they use it for
2021-05-19T16:48:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> i, of course, use guerilla mail
2021-05-19T16:49:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> or fill in email fields with no⊙fo if that's accepted
2021-05-19T16:49:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> dominos doesn't need email or a phone number to deliver a pizza.
2021-05-19T16:50:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> they do if you want those sweet, sweet piece of the pie rewards points
2021-05-19T16:50:35 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> gmail still allows task-specific emails with + right? so they could do mystupidname+register⊙gc and just filter those right to spam or trash or whatever
2021-05-19T16:50:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> dominos has been fucking up in some kind of way lately tho. I ordered dominos a few weeks back, got an email randomly saying 'sorry that delivery sucked, here's a free pizza'
2021-05-19T16:50:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> except i never complained!
2021-05-19T16:50:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> so I ordered the free pizza
2021-05-19T16:50:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> got another email. "Sorry that delivery sucked, here's a free pizza"
2021-05-19T16:50:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> i need to complain about the pizza that I've been getting recently
2021-05-19T16:50:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm on my seventh free pizza now
2021-05-19T16:50:58 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> Dominos needs a number here
2021-05-19T16:51:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> they don't finish cooking my fucking pizza
2021-05-19T16:51:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> f
2021-05-19T16:51:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> i have to put it in my oven for like fifteen minutes before it's edible
2021-05-19T16:51:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> many email providers support +; the hard part is getting past websites
2021-05-19T16:51:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> they have started checking for that shit, and just cut it off
2021-05-19T16:51:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> :(
2021-05-19T16:52:07 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> man web devs suck ass
2021-05-19T16:52:10 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> like seriously
2021-05-19T16:52:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> if the disparaging-comments-fake-email tactic doesn't work, that's when I use a burner
2021-05-19T16:52:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yes
2021-05-19T16:52:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> webdevs are ass
2021-05-19T16:52:24 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> Wait you don't like my 50mb reactjs frontend
2021-05-19T16:52:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> t. hung out with my webdev buddy for six hours last night
2021-05-19T16:53:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> he keeps randomly showing up at my apartment
2021-05-19T16:53:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> and keeps me up past my bedtime
2021-05-19T16:53:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> >:c
2021-05-19T16:53:35 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> http://haacked.com/archive/2007/08/21/i-knew-how-to-validate-an-email-address-until-i.aspx/
2021-05-19T16:54:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> tl;dr @ isn't the only valid delimiting character, right?
2021-05-19T16:54:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> bang and dotpaths are still valid, iirc
2021-05-19T16:55:03 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> you can even have @'s in the local part too
2021-05-19T16:55:34 #kisslinux <phoebos> you can even have a space :o
2021-05-19T16:55:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> m1Df@v11@@13374@c3r$.net
2021-05-19T16:55:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> parse this, webdevs
2021-05-19T16:55:56 #kisslinux <phoebos> h @me.com
2021-05-19T16:56:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao
2021-05-19T16:57:25 #kisslinux <phoebos> ah, the one true regex: ^(?!.)("([^"r\]|\["r\])*"|([-a-z0-9!#$%&'*+/=?^_`{|}~] |(?@[a-z0-9][w.-]*[a-z0-9].[a-z][a-z.]*[a-z]$
2021-05-19T16:57:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> regex makes me want to cry
2021-05-19T16:57:42 #kisslinux <phoebos> damn right
2021-05-19T16:58:18 #kisslinux <phoebos> also printf can just "u2588"
2021-05-19T16:58:24 #kisslinux <phoebos> for your blockys
2021-05-19T16:58:30 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> yeah but like... once the "one true regex" is found... people don't have to keep trying to recreate it and fuck it up
2021-05-19T16:58:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd like to avoid using printf it putchar works, so I'll probably change it back
2021-05-19T16:58:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> originally I was using O
2021-05-19T16:59:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> Imagine telling people your email is dilyn @ Big Knockers@gmail.com
2021-05-19T16:59:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> dilyn@corner⊙gc
2021-05-19T17:00:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> so it's my name, yes right, backslash-space-backslash-fucknuts-backslash-at-nothesymbolat-suckit @gmail.com'
2021-05-19T17:00:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> dilyn.corner⊙dcc
2021-05-19T17:04:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> alright, we'll probably switch to libera. everybody's doin' it, and KISS is famously a distro that follows trends
2021-05-19T17:04:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck
2021-05-19T17:05:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> tobin is on libera
2021-05-19T17:05:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> abort abort abort
2021-05-19T17:06:44 #kisslinux <E5ten> midfavila: you can just use fputs(x, stdout); instead of printf(x); when x is string literal lol
2021-05-19T17:06:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't care right now
2021-05-19T17:07:04 #kisslinux <phoebos> ach migadu won't let me have spaces :(
2021-05-19T17:07:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm working on the problems in K&R with what's reviewed up until that problem
2021-05-19T17:07:11 #kisslinux <kiedtl> dilyn: woo
2021-05-19T17:07:29 #kisslinux <kiedtl> is that official?
2021-05-19T17:07:45 #kisslinux <phoebos> was the the Word Of God
2021-05-19T17:08:11 #kisslinux <acheam> :(
2021-05-19T17:09:17 #kisslinux <travankor> change topic?
2021-05-19T17:09:27 #kisslinux <travankor> lol nice timing
2021-05-19T17:10:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-05-19T17:10:03 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Yah, was typing when your message came :)
2021-05-19T17:10:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> news post soon, have to get haircut
2021-05-19T17:10:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> we're gonna need a logger lads
2021-05-19T17:10:55 #kisslinux <acheam> I can do it
2021-05-19T17:10:58 #kisslinux <phoebos> what about litterbox on your vps?
2021-05-19T17:11:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> harumph
2021-05-19T17:11:17 #kisslinux <phoebos> bcs you want more stuff to do, right
2021-05-19T17:11:30 #kisslinux <acheam> I already run it, you can just reverse proxy it or send the DNS to me
2021-05-19T17:13:13 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I think we should wait for globbot to show up
2021-05-19T17:13:50 #kisslinux <acheam> oof scooper needs kcgi and stuff... I'm not bothering it with that
2021-05-19T17:13:58 #kisslinux <acheam> that will probably be within 24hrs or so
2021-05-19T17:14:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm going to be in both channels for a while
2021-05-19T17:14:25 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl: can you set the chanserv message
2021-05-19T17:14:42 #kisslinux <kiedtl> yup
2021-05-19T17:15:21 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks!
2021-05-19T17:16:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> alright so now I have two news posts to make, a few READMEs to puruse, a microphone to setup, privacy.com to use a fake debit card for the domain and vps, and then to securely select random people from the internet with a horcrux...
2021-05-19T17:16:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> bang that out in an afternoon probably
2021-05-19T17:16:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> (: :V :)
2021-05-19T17:18:12 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol
2021-05-19T17:22:13 #kisslinux <Rio6> same channel there?
2021-05-19T17:22:42 #kisslinux <phoebos> aye
2021-05-19T17:28:08 #kisslinux <acheam> great!
2021-05-19T17:38:09 #kisslinux <eternalrain> well i've read through this just right now and it looks like zoomers are discouraged to use kiss :D
2021-05-19T17:42:58 #kisslinux <acheam> many of us are zoomers mcboomers :)
2021-05-19T17:43:56 #kisslinux <Rio6> I use discord on my phone :shrug:
2021-05-19T17:45:40 #kisslinux <eternalrain> what if i run it from chroot tho
2021-05-19T17:49:59 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> Yes, that is an option. You can also try packaging it yourself.
2021-05-19T17:54:30 #kisslinux <Rio6> yeah can't you just download it from their website and run it?
2021-05-19T18:05:48 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> Dude the browser app works just fine
2021-05-19T18:05:57 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> Why waste 2gb in chroot for an electron app
2021-05-19T18:07:43 #kisslinux <Rio6> oh I almost forgot I was using gkiss
2021-05-19T18:07:47 #kisslinux <Rio6> :P
2021-05-19T18:21:14 #kisslinux <kiedtl> !part #kisslinux
2021-05-19T18:42:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> right,
2021-05-19T18:42:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> fare thee well, freenode
2021-05-19T19:11:45 #kisslinux <kiedtl> jslick: squat ops on oftc ?
2021-05-19T19:24:31 #kisslinux <kiedtl> #kisslinux moved to libera, not oftc
2021-05-19T19:24:53 #kisslinux <kiedtl> oh, wait, I'm dumb. nevermind.
2021-05-19T19:25:02 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Ah, nice :)
2021-05-19T19:31:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl> jslick: that's me
2021-05-19T19:31:52 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I am zr
2021-05-19T20:34:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> friendly reminder to nuke your passwords and emails on freenode :v
2021-05-19T20:35:14 #kisslinux <kiedtl> How'd you do that? You can't change it to an invalid email :V
2021-05-19T20:35:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> or wait, I could use a temp
2021-05-19T20:48:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> temp mail to the rescue ;)
2021-05-19T21:10:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Rio6: Yeah, but the email/password overwriting is a precaution in case rasengan gets his claws on old user data as well as current data
2021-05-19T21:14:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> probably, but you never know the deal with their infra
2021-05-19T22:30:38 #kisslinux <globbot> channel logging requested by kiedtl: https://freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux