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2021-04-25T03:58:32 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hi
2021-04-25T04:01:34 #kisslinux <acheam> hi testuser_[m]
2021-04-25T04:31:25 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> god wtf is wrong with webkit
2021-04-25T04:31:36 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> it loads a captcha on glibc but not on musl
2021-04-25T06:09:10 #kisslinux <spryc> why does kiss not ask for root permission? https://0x0.st/-m2w.txt
2021-04-25T06:09:34 #kisslinux <spryc> kK  [D
2021-04-25T06:12:58 #kisslinux <spryc> KISS_SU equals doas but i have also tried with 'su'
2021-04-25T06:48:19 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> You messed up your /tmp perms
2021-04-25T06:48:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> I think chmod 1777 /tmp should fix it
2021-04-25T07:23:50 #kisslinux <thermatix> o/
2021-04-25T07:25:13 #kisslinux <thermatix> quesiton, what is platform regulatory.o?
2021-04-25T07:25:26 #kisslinux <thermatix> s/quesiton/question/
2021-04-25T07:25:26 #kisslinux <movzbl> <thermatix> question, what is platform regulatory.o?
2021-04-25T07:27:32 #kisslinux <thermatix> and do I needs it for wifi to work?
2021-04-25T09:56:31 #kisslinux <thermatix> I just got wifi working
2021-04-25T09:56:39 #kisslinux <thermatix> so all the basics are there now
2021-04-25T09:58:40 #kisslinux <thermatix> and now I'm on kirc :p
2021-04-25T09:58:47 #kisslinux <thermatix> on my laptop on kiss XD
2021-04-25T09:59:04 #kisslinux <thermatix> man did it take a lot of effort but I'm happy with it
2021-04-25T09:59:20 #kisslinux <thermatix> now I just need to get the gui stuff working
2021-04-25T10:52:07 #kisslinux <thermatix> hello
2021-04-25T10:52:23 #kisslinux <thermatix> how is all today?
2021-04-25T10:53:11 #kisslinux <thermatix> Xorg is being wierd, or maybe it's spectrwm?
2021-04-25T10:53:29 #kisslinux <thermatix> x (i think) refuses keyboard or mouse input
2021-04-25T10:53:40 #kisslinux <thermatix> but it's not frozen as I can see the clock change!
2021-04-25T10:56:26 #kisslinux <miskatonic> did x misbehave already before the last reboot?
2021-04-25T10:56:53 #kisslinux <spryc> have you enabled a device manag�er?
2021-04-25T10:58:37 #kisslinux <miskatonic> I've never heard of devicemanagers
2021-04-25T10:59:48 #kisslinux <thermatix> back
2021-04-25T10:59:51 #kisslinux <thermatix> had to re-connect
2021-04-25T11:03:48 #kisslinux <miskatonic> and x still broken?
2021-04-25T11:05:33 #kisslinux <thermatix> yeah...
2021-04-25T11:05:49 #kisslinux <thermatix> it's not frozen or anything just... not responiding to inputs
2021-04-25T11:06:05 #kisslinux <thermatix> and there's no log, or at least there doesn't apear to be a log
2021-04-25T11:07:43 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Did you enable the mdev service
2021-04-25T11:07:47 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Also add yourself to input group
2021-04-25T11:07:56 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> mdev/eudev
2021-04-25T11:08:40 #kisslinux <thermatix> hmmm
2021-04-25T11:11:23 #kisslinux <thermatix> how do I enable the mdev service?2021-04-25T11:11:38 #kisslinux <thermatix> wait
2021-04-25T11:11:40 #kisslinux <thermatix> nvm
2021-04-25T11:14:53 #kisslinux <thermatix> I enabled mdev and added myself to the input group
2021-04-25T11:14:56 #kisslinux <thermatix> no effect
2021-04-25T11:16:59 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> You're using eudev right..
2021-04-25T11:17:05 #kisslinux <thermatix> ah
2021-04-25T11:17:07 #kisslinux <thermatix> ok
2021-04-25T11:17:09 #kisslinux <thermatix> it worked this time
2021-04-25T11:17:23 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> No I'm asking you
2021-04-25T11:17:27 #kisslinux <thermatix> no I mean
2021-04-25T11:17:29 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> Cool
2021-04-25T11:17:32 #kisslinux <thermatix> it worked this time
2021-04-25T11:17:59 #kisslinux <thermatix> well, the keyboard is at any rate if not the touchpad...]
2021-04-25T11:18:03 #kisslinux <thermatix> s/]//
2021-04-25T11:18:03 #kisslinux <movzbl> <thermatix> well, the keyboard is at any rate if not the touchpad...
2021-04-25T11:23:44 #kisslinux <thermatix> and now I'm connecting via weechat :p
2021-04-25T12:09:57 #kisslinux <spryc> is the neovim build broken for you töäoo?
2021-04-25T12:10:30 #kisslinux <spryc> s/t��öåoo/too
2021-04-25T12:11:06 #kisslinux <spryc> http://0x0.st/m9U.txt
2021-04-25T12:12:22 #kisslinux <spryc> �oops
2021-04-25T12:12:41 #kisslinux <spryc> https://0x0.st/-m9U.txt this should be it
2021-04-25T12:26:38 #kisslinux <thermatix> I'll try it now
2021-04-25T12:26:59 #kisslinux <thermatix> seems to be working
2021-04-25T12:27:42 #kisslinux <thermatix> which version of neovim does the community edition build?
2021-04-25T12:27:50 #kisslinux <thermatix> like, nightly, stable/
2021-04-25T12:28:19 #kisslinux <thermatix> ah, since it's v 0.4 then prob stable
2021-04-25T12:28:44 #kisslinux <thermatix> but the sources file says nightly
2021-04-25T12:29:25 #kisslinux <thermatix> ...lol ok I'm a numpty
2021-04-25T12:29:46 #kisslinux <thermatix>  hadn't done a git-reset of the repo from whence I modiied it to pull from nightly
2021-04-25T12:30:12 #kisslinux <thermatix> well, whatever
2021-04-25T14:02:12 #kisslinux <phoebos> acheam: just looking at your exa package
2021-04-25T14:02:27 #kisslinux <acheam> uh oh what did I mess up?
2021-04-25T14:02:33 #kisslinux <phoebos> i think it's installing exa_colors.5 to the same place as exa.1
2021-04-25T14:02:36 #kisslinux <phoebos> overwriting
2021-04-25T14:02:43 #kisslinux <phoebos> you just forgot to change the path
2021-04-25T14:02:47 #kisslinux <phoebos> i think?
2021-04-25T14:03:56 #kisslinux <acheam> that sounds likely
2021-04-25T14:04:03 #kisslinux <acheam> will fix later thanks
2021-04-25T14:04:08 #kisslinux <phoebos> :)
2021-04-25T14:04:58 #kisslinux <acheam> wow I feel so special they joined just to tell me that
2021-04-25T14:05:51 #kisslinux <acheam> even though it was my screw up lol
2021-04-25T14:57:09 #kisslinux <thermatix>   lol
2021-04-25T15:53:01 #kisslinux <thermatix> aloha
2021-04-25T15:53:14 #kisslinux <thermatix> I'm back!
2021-04-25T15:56:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> ahola
2021-04-25T15:56:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> !kcab er'uoy
2021-04-25T15:57:04 #kisslinux <thermatix> I said that in the voice of kyle 2
2021-04-25T16:05:50 #kisslinux <thermatix> so is any one else having trouble with getting laptop touchpads to work?
2021-04-25T16:06:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> did you install libinput
2021-04-25T16:06:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> and the appropriate xorg driver?
2021-04-25T16:07:23 #kisslinux <thermatix> I thought I had
2021-04-25T16:08:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> double check to be sure
2021-04-25T16:08:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> and make sure you don't have the synaptics touchpad driver
2021-04-25T16:08:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> since I think they conflict
2021-04-25T16:08:29 #kisslinux <thermatix> do you mean synaptics client?
2021-04-25T16:08:32 #kisslinux <thermatix> synclient?
2021-04-25T16:08:52 #kisslinux <thermatix> and how do I find out wich is the correct xorg driver?
2021-04-25T16:10:13 #kisslinux <thermatix> do I need to install synaptics in the kernel?
2021-04-25T16:11:55 #kisslinux <phoebos> acheam: not to be that guy lmao but you're gonna want exa_colors.5 to be in man section 5
2021-04-25T16:12:07 #kisslinux <phoebos> file formats & filesystems :)
2021-04-25T16:12:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> I don't know what you mean by a "synaptics client"
2021-04-25T16:12:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's not part of the kernel
2021-04-25T16:12:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's part of X
2021-04-25T16:13:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> and the synaptics input driver is legacy. libinput is recommended now, as far as I know
2021-04-25T16:13:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> this should be discussed in the install guide.
2021-04-25T16:24:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> Any of you guys know of a decent dot-matrix printer for loonix?
2021-04-25T16:24:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm not willing to shell out the cash for constant ink cartridges
2021-04-25T16:27:06 #kisslinux <thermatix> I used to have a dot-matrix printer when I was a kid, I think it was a xerox?
2021-04-25T16:27:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> Xerox makes some good stuff. I've been looking at a Microline 320 Turbo for a long while...
2021-04-25T16:28:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> they're used in a lot of mechanic's shops and stuff. apparently they're flawless under unix systems
2021-04-25T16:28:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> just shunt ascii along parallel and it does the do. no questions asked
2021-04-25T16:29:38 #kisslinux <thermatix> `cat file.txt > /dev/parralel1` ?
2021-04-25T16:30:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> I can't recall the exact device node, but yeah, that's the short of it
2021-04-25T16:30:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> obviously you're supposed to use a spooler, like CUPS or lpr
2021-04-25T16:30:53 #kisslinux <thermatix> huh, neat
2021-04-25T16:30:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> but print queues are for fucking NERDS
2021-04-25T16:31:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> which I am obviously not
2021-04-25T16:31:04 #kisslinux <thermatix> LOL
2021-04-25T16:31:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> hh
2021-04-25T16:31:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's a new old stock 320 turbo on ebay
2021-04-25T16:31:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...but I've already spent money on a rucksack and other parts this month...
2021-04-25T16:31:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...but a printer would be really nice to have...
2021-04-25T17:30:05 #kisslinux <thermatix> I still haven't figured out what's up with the touchpad, before it wasn't showing anything now it's showing it as a generic ps/2 mouse
2021-04-25T17:37:54 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Send your dmesg thermatix
2021-04-25T17:45:53 #kisslinux <thermatix> I'm stuck
2021-04-25T17:45:58 #kisslinux <thermatix> don't know what to do now :(
2021-04-25T17:49:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean
2021-04-25T17:49:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> i can't see why installing libinput and xorg-libinput wouldn't get stuff to work
2021-04-25T17:49:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've never had a single issue with those
2021-04-25T17:53:00 #kisslinux <thermatix> trying solutions I've found on the net
2021-04-25T17:53:21 #kisslinux <thermatix> ls /
2021-04-25T17:53:23 #kisslinux <thermatix> whoops
2021-04-25T17:53:27 #kisslinux <thermatix> not the command line XD
2021-04-25T17:53:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> ls: command not found
2021-04-25T17:53:50 #kisslinux <thermatix> lol
2021-04-25T18:05:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> what's truly terrifying is when you get that from your terminal
2021-04-25T18:05:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've had that happen before. every time it happens, my chest feels like it's seizing up
2021-04-25T18:06:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> complete "...oh. oh fuck." moment
2021-04-25T18:13:18 #kisslinux <thermatix> I think I'm done faffing about with this for today
2021-04-25T18:15:32 #kisslinux <thermatix> btw why should we hail the power of Red Hat?
2021-04-25T18:21:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's ironic
2021-04-25T18:21:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> nobody should hail anything Red Hat
2021-04-25T18:21:52 #kisslinux <thermatix> elaborate
2021-04-25T18:22:02 #kisslinux <thermatix> eluciadate
2021-04-25T18:22:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> Red Hat is the antithesis of "simple" solutions
2021-04-25T18:22:06 #kisslinux <thermatix> illuminate
2021-04-25T18:22:13 #kisslinux <thermatix> yeah I can see that
2021-04-25T18:22:21 #kisslinux <thermatix> If I recall
2021-04-25T18:22:36 #kisslinux <thermatix> to get some config done I had to configure and compile a security module or something?
2021-04-25T18:22:39 #kisslinux <thermatix> I forget but...
2021-04-25T18:22:41 #kisslinux <thermatix> It was not fun
2021-04-25T18:22:43 #kisslinux <thermatix> like... at all
2021-04-25T18:22:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> their business model revolves around making everything as difficult as possible, and then selling certs and support to people
2021-04-25T18:23:13 #kisslinux <helby> like any other corp
2021-04-25T18:23:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> add another reason to not trust or use anything from corporations to the list
2021-04-25T18:23:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, software. hardware there's not much of an option right now
2021-04-25T18:24:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> ideally we'd all be printing our own POWER9 or RISC-V systems for use in PICMG backplanes but we're not there yet
2021-04-25T18:24:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> i can dream though
2021-04-25T18:24:31 #kisslinux <thermatix> uhh what?
2021-04-25T18:24:34 #kisslinux <thermatix> backplanes?
2021-04-25T18:24:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> uhh yeah
2021-04-25T18:24:40 #kisslinux <thermatix> you lsot me
2021-04-25T18:24:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> backplanes
2021-04-25T18:24:47 #kisslinux <thermatix> s/lsot/lost/
2021-04-25T18:24:47 #kisslinux <movzbl> <thermatix> you lost me
2021-04-25T18:24:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> they're like motherboards except not at all
2021-04-25T18:24:58 #kisslinux <thermatix> I c...
2021-04-25T18:25:00 #kisslinux <thermatix> or I don't
2021-04-25T18:25:09 #kisslinux <thermatix> but I get that it has to do with CPU architectures
2021-04-25T18:25:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> so you know how on a motherboard you have your expansion slots, memory slots, CPU socket, whatever?
2021-04-25T18:25:15 #kisslinux <thermatix> yeah
2021-04-25T18:25:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> it has nothing to do with CPU ISA
2021-04-25T18:25:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> PICMG is a system architecture
2021-04-25T18:25:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> like ATX
2021-04-25T18:25:41 #kisslinux <thermatix> RISC-V is a CPU architecture right?
2021-04-25T18:25:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> so, ATX is a motherboard. whereas PICMG is a backplane. backplanes are basically nothing *but* expansion slots, to which different cards are plugged in
2021-04-25T18:25:54 #kisslinux <thermatix> Reduced Instruction set.. or something
2021-04-25T18:26:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> RISC-V is an ISA, yes
2021-04-25T18:26:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> reduced instruction set computing five
2021-04-25T18:26:12 #kisslinux <thermatix> so what you mean is
2021-04-25T18:26:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> ISA is how the chip handles data processing
2021-04-25T18:26:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> system architecture is how the physical hardware is laid out
2021-04-25T18:26:35 #kisslinux <thermatix> you want a seperation between the motherboard (ATX) and the backpane (the design of plugins)
2021-04-25T18:26:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> no
2021-04-25T18:26:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> a backplane is an alternative to a motherboard
2021-04-25T18:27:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> where instead of everything having its own little socket,
2021-04-25T18:27:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> everything is a generic card that can be slotted into the backplane
2021-04-25T18:27:28 #kisslinux <helby>  okay, now when you both have it clear, u can design it :/
2021-04-25T18:27:34 #kisslinux <thermatix> LOL
2021-04-25T18:27:40 #kisslinux <thermatix> I think I get it
2021-04-25T18:27:51 #kisslinux <thermatix> motherboard = specific slots for everything
2021-04-25T18:28:02 #kisslinux <thermatix> backpane = generic slots for everything
2021-04-25T18:28:06 #kisslinux <thermatix> is that right?
2021-04-25T18:28:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's the general idea, yeah
2021-04-25T18:28:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> the problem is that PICMG is industrial technology
2021-04-25T18:28:42 #kisslinux <thermatix> kind of like what google ara was trying to achieve
2021-04-25T18:28:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> well
2021-04-25T18:28:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> no
2021-04-25T18:28:50 #kisslinux <thermatix> with project ara phone
2021-04-25T18:28:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> ara is its own thing
2021-04-25T18:28:59 #kisslinux <thermatix> well
2021-04-25T18:29:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> a better comparison would be pre-IBM microcomputers
2021-04-25T18:29:07 #kisslinux <thermatix> it had a generic backplane like thing
2021-04-25T18:29:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> like the altair and imsai machines
2021-04-25T18:29:12 #kisslinux <thermatix> that you slotted anythng into
2021-04-25T18:29:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/Cromemco_Blitz_Bus.jpg
2021-04-25T18:29:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is an example of an ancient backplane
2021-04-25T18:30:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> using the S-100 bus
2021-04-25T18:30:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> PICMG is something similar, but it uses PCI
2021-04-25T18:30:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> so you have a "system card", which holds the CPU, memory, provides basic IO, whatever
2021-04-25T18:31:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> like a teeny tiny barebones motherboard
2021-04-25T18:31:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> then there's usually a PCI switch on the backplane that splits the system card's PCI lanes among the remaining slots evenly
2021-04-25T18:31:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> into which you place your cards. so that would be disk controller, sound card, video card, and networking card, at the minimum
2021-04-25T18:31:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> (unless you don't want any of that...)
2021-04-25T18:32:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> point is, it offers a lot of flexibility and choice, and it's just kind of nifty.
2021-04-25T18:32:27 #kisslinux <thermatix> hmmm
2021-04-25T18:32:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> so like, let's say that I want to upgrade my networking down the line
2021-04-25T18:32:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm not wasting money or space on a redundant, lower-performance integrated NIC
2021-04-25T18:33:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> or maybe I want to build a high-performance router. well, I can just drop a few NICs into it and bam - homemade switch
2021-04-25T18:33:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> add a wireless card, you now have a very overkill wireless router and AP
2021-04-25T18:33:55 #kisslinux <thermatix> again, like the project ara
2021-04-25T18:34:01 #kisslinux <thermatix> :D
2021-04-25T18:34:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> if that helps you understand it, sure
2021-04-25T18:34:10 #kisslinux <thermatix> I kid
2021-04-25T18:34:13 #kisslinux <thermatix> but yeah it's an interesting idea
2021-04-25T18:34:26 #kisslinux <thermatix> do you think we'll ever go back to backplanes?
2021-04-25T18:34:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> doubtful
2021-04-25T18:34:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> the problem is the system cards
2021-04-25T18:35:04 #kisslinux <thermatix> how do you mean?
2021-04-25T18:35:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> they require extensive miniaturization and are much harder to scale production of, compared to motherboards
2021-04-25T18:35:09 #kisslinux <thermatix> ah
2021-04-25T18:35:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> for example
2021-04-25T18:35:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> how do I fit four Xeon processors, enough DIMM slots to accomodate a terabyte and a half of RAM, a serial and VGA controller, a small integrated GPU, and a beefy enough chipset to handle the entire PICMG system, onto the size of the average PCIe card
2021-04-25T18:36:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> the answer is "a lot of cheese"
2021-04-25T18:36:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> and also "a lot of money"
2021-04-25T18:37:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I wanted to get a PICMG system board with equivalent specs to my motherboard, it would be five and a half times the price
2021-04-25T18:37:16 #kisslinux <thermatix> well don't put the GPU on there then
2021-04-25T18:37:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> (500 vs 2750-ish)
2021-04-25T18:37:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> the GPU in this case is usually smaller than the chipset.
2021-04-25T18:37:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> but some boards do ignore the GPU
2021-04-25T18:37:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> usually it's just a matrox pilot g200
2021-04-25T18:38:15 #kisslinux <thermatix> couldn't you comporomise and have some parts not on the system board?
2021-04-25T18:38:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> aka "why does your mom let you have *two* megabytes of vRAM, billy?"
2021-04-25T18:38:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> no
2021-04-25T18:38:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> you couldn't
2021-04-25T18:38:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> because that defeats the entire point of PICMG
2021-04-25T18:38:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> you just end up with a shitty motherboard
2021-04-25T18:39:04 #kisslinux <thermatix> not if you put the chipset on it's own board
2021-04-25T18:39:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's a massive waste of space
2021-04-25T18:39:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> and introduces a lot of potential compatibility issues, I imagine
2021-04-25T18:39:46 #kisslinux <thermatix> common interface?
2021-04-25T18:39:48 #kisslinux <thermatix> or
2021-04-25T18:39:50 #kisslinux <thermatix> like
2021-04-25T18:40:01 #kisslinux <thermatix> this chipset supports (insert list of acronyms)
2021-04-25T18:40:16 #kisslinux <thermatix> and then you can only use systemboards and stuff that have those acronyms
2021-04-25T18:40:42 #kisslinux <thermatix> bleh
2021-04-25T18:41:04 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-04-25T18:41:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> now you know why it's not consumer technology
2021-04-25T18:41:21 #kisslinux <thermatix> yeah
2021-04-25T18:41:33 #kisslinux <thermatix> motherboards are simpler
2021-04-25T18:41:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> and therefore scale more easily
2021-04-25T18:41:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> which means larger profit margins
2021-04-25T18:42:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> of course, I still refuse to use anything that isn't SSI-EEB at this point
2021-04-25T18:42:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> ATX is t r a s h
2021-04-25T18:43:00 #kisslinux <thermatix> SSI?
2021-04-25T18:43:04 #kisslinux <thermatix> EEB?
2021-04-25T18:43:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> SSI is a standard for server-grade motherboards
2021-04-25T18:43:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> EEB is the larger of the two
2021-04-25T18:43:24 #kisslinux <thermatix> ah
2021-04-25T18:43:26 #kisslinux <thermatix> I c
2021-04-25T18:43:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> CEB, compact electronics bay, is the smaller variant
2021-04-25T18:43:39 #kisslinux <thermatix> so you built a computer using server boards?
2021-04-25T18:43:42 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: its double messaging
2021-04-25T18:43:51 #kisslinux <acheam> phoebos: omg im an idiot
2021-04-25T18:43:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes, my workstation uses a combination of standard and server-grade components
2021-04-25T18:44:00 #kisslinux <thermatix> neat
2021-04-25T18:44:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> eventually my hipsterism will allow me to even transcend x86
2021-04-25T18:44:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...actually, hrm
2021-04-25T18:44:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> there are some cheaper power9 chips on ebay...
2021-04-25T18:45:01 #kisslinux <thermatix> Power9 - PowerPC?
2021-04-25T18:45:07 #kisslinux <thermatix> s/-/=/
2021-04-25T18:45:07 #kisslinux <movzbl> <thermatix> Power9 = PowerPC?
2021-04-25T18:45:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's descended from it, yeah
2021-04-25T18:45:16 #kisslinux <thermatix> huh, interesting
2021-04-25T18:45:30 #kisslinux <thermatix> PowerPC is a way more efficent architecture compaired to x86
2021-04-25T18:45:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> a lot of governments and militaries use it because it's completely open and easily audited
2021-04-25T18:45:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> as opposed to x86, which is...
2021-04-25T18:45:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> not
2021-04-25T18:45:57 #kisslinux <thermatix> lol
2021-04-25T18:46:02 #kisslinux <thermatix> no kidding
2021-04-25T18:46:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> apparently PPC machines can run x86 stuff with fairly solid performance
2021-04-25T18:46:08 #kisslinux <thermatix> that is huge understatment
2021-04-25T18:46:17 #kisslinux <thermatix> I mean
2021-04-25T18:46:35 #kisslinux <thermatix> intel has an enire PC inside there CPU running Minix I think it is?
2021-04-25T18:46:41 #kisslinux <acheam> yep
2021-04-25T18:46:41 #kisslinux <thermatix> the manegment engine thing
2021-04-25T18:46:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes, it's minix
2021-04-25T18:46:50 #kisslinux <thermatix> lol
2021-04-25T18:46:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> literally the only thing minix is useful for
2021-04-25T18:46:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> is being a universal backdoor
2021-04-25T18:47:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> great fucking job, tannenbaum
2021-04-25T18:47:11 #kisslinux <thermatix> Yo dog, I heard you like computers so I put a computer in your CPU so you can computer whilst you compuyrt
2021-04-25T18:47:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> 2006 called
2021-04-25T18:47:22 #kisslinux <thermatix> s/compuyry/computer
2021-04-25T18:47:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> they want their moldy memes back
2021-04-25T18:47:25 #kisslinux <thermatix> s/compuyry/computer/
2021-04-25T18:47:25 #kisslinux <movzbl> <thermatix> Yo dog, I heard you like computers so I put a computer in your CPU so you can computer whilst you compuyrt
2021-04-25T18:47:33 #kisslinux <thermatix> screw you, it will NEVER ie
2021-04-25T18:47:39 #kisslinux <thermatix> s/ie/die
2021-04-25T18:47:41 #kisslinux <thermatix> s/ie/die/
2021-04-25T18:47:41 #kisslinux <movzbl> <thermatix> screw you, it will NEVER die
2021-04-25T18:47:43 #kisslinux <thermatix> damnit
2021-04-25T18:47:52 #kisslinux <thermatix> I needs to learn to type betters
2021-04-25T18:48:13 #kisslinux <thermatix> turtles all the way down
2021-04-25T18:48:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> it would've been nice if I could have modified my PS3 to run linux
2021-04-25T18:48:51 #kisslinux <thermatix> yeah Inever got a PS3 before they put the kibosh on that
2021-04-25T18:48:57 #kisslinux <thermatix> what an awesome idea
2021-04-25T18:49:01 #kisslinux <thermatix> running linux on a PS3
2021-04-25T18:49:08 #kisslinux <thermatix> but I could see that turning bad soooo quickly
2021-04-25T18:49:17 #kisslinux <thermatix> piracy much right?
2021-04-25T18:49:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao who gives a shit
2021-04-25T18:49:30 #kisslinux <thermatix> well yeah
2021-04-25T18:49:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh no people are playing games nobody's selling any more
2021-04-25T18:49:58 #kisslinux <thermatix> it's the main reason I'm not that interested in the most recent consoles (Bar the switch)
2021-04-25T18:50:03 #kisslinux <thermatix> there just glorified PC's
2021-04-25T18:50:05 #kisslinux <thermatix> at this point
2021-04-25T18:50:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't care about any consoles
2021-04-25T18:50:15 #kisslinux <thermatix> it was always interesting reading about the technology in them
2021-04-25T18:50:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only reason I was interested in a switch was like
2021-04-25T18:50:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> smash
2021-04-25T18:50:21 #kisslinux <thermatix> like the Cell processor
2021-04-25T18:50:25 #kisslinux <thermatix> now it's just...
2021-04-25T18:50:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> daemon x machina
2021-04-25T18:50:29 #kisslinux <thermatix> oooh
2021-04-25T18:50:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> and the new little tail bronx game
2021-04-25T18:50:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> but the first was useless because muh paid online
2021-04-25T18:50:47 #kisslinux <thermatix> I was able to play my switch on TV for the first time
2021-04-25T18:50:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> the second was released on PC
2021-04-25T18:50:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> (it was okay)
2021-04-25T18:50:52 #kisslinux <thermatix> TV i bought arrived today
2021-04-25T18:50:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> and the third is going to be released on PC
2021-04-25T18:50:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, nice
2021-04-25T18:51:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> i imagine that would have been a big step up
2021-04-25T18:51:09 #kisslinux <thermatix> haven't owned a TV in over a decade
2021-04-25T18:51:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> also
2021-04-25T18:51:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://ytprivate.com/watch?v=44HpssocH4c
2021-04-25T18:51:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> on the topic of the cell
2021-04-25T18:51:16 #kisslinux <thermatix> yeah I have the space for it
2021-04-25T18:51:25 #kisslinux <thermatix> ugh
2021-04-25T18:51:30 #kisslinux <thermatix> can't watch vidoes atm
2021-04-25T18:51:36 #kisslinux <thermatix> living off my phone's data
2021-04-25T18:51:40 #kisslinux <thermatix> have plenty but...
2021-04-25T18:51:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> rip
2021-04-25T18:51:46 #kisslinux <thermatix> not if I watch media
2021-04-25T18:52:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> i remember I used to have to rely on 9600bps dialup
2021-04-25T18:52:10 #kisslinux <thermatix> but would like to watch it
2021-04-25T18:52:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> like, not even a year ago
2021-04-25T18:52:12 #kisslinux <thermatix> lol
2021-04-25T18:52:14 #kisslinux <thermatix> 56k dialup for me
2021-04-25T18:52:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> i had this disgusting setup
2021-04-25T18:52:36 #kisslinux <thermatix> I remember it taking like, 2-3 hours to download 15mb
2021-04-25T18:52:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> where I would plug a handset into my cellphone
2021-04-25T18:52:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> dial SDF
2021-04-25T18:52:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> place the handset on a coupler
2021-04-25T18:52:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> and then go through that whole rigamaroll
2021-04-25T18:52:54 #kisslinux <thermatix> wow that is ANCIENT
2021-04-25T18:53:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes well that's what happens when I'm told I can't place landline calls to the US or access the internet directly
2021-04-25T18:53:43 #kisslinux <thermatix> heh
2021-04-25T18:53:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> i wasn't allowed to place landline calls at the place I was staying because whenever the place's internet access was shut off, I'd dial into my SDF shell and just... keep doing whatever
2021-04-25T18:54:07 #kisslinux <thermatix> I had great enjoyment in getting my own back on my dad when he was using the net and I Was angry with him by picking up the phone when he was on the modem :D
2021-04-25T18:54:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> suck on that, dad
2021-04-25T18:55:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> most of that stuff is way before my time...
2021-04-25T18:55:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> I only have a modem around for emergencies
2021-04-25T18:55:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> the, uh, specific kind of emergency where I need internet access via dialup
2021-04-25T18:56:36 #kisslinux <thermatix> :D
2021-04-25T18:56:53 #kisslinux <thermatix> basically yeah, but only when he reaaaaaly pissed me off
2021-04-25T18:56:59 #kisslinux <thermatix> wow I feel old
2021-04-25T18:57:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> i wanted to get a ham license too. ax.25 would be nice to have to fall back on
2021-04-25T18:57:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> of course, can't use encryption over ham radio...
2021-04-25T18:57:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's enough for like, IRC.
2021-04-25T18:58:38 #kisslinux <thermatix> heh
2021-04-25T19:09:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> Aaaaaaaaaaaa
2021-04-25T19:09:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> STLWRT can't release soon enough
2021-04-25T19:12:25 #kisslinux <thermatix>  still, I am happy that I'm getting closer with the laptop
2021-04-25T19:12:32 #kisslinux <thermatix> even if it's not quite there yet
2021-04-25T19:12:40 #kisslinux <thermatix> I can at least do terminal stuff
2021-04-25T19:12:50 #kisslinux <thermatix> though I need to fix the bloddy font
2021-04-25T19:13:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> bloddy
2021-04-25T19:13:23 #kisslinux <thermatix> s/bloddy/bloody/
2021-04-25T19:13:23 #kisslinux <movzbl> <thermatix> though I need to fix the bloody font
2021-04-25T19:13:41 #kisslinux <thermatix> really though, it's all over the place, kinda funny
2021-04-25T19:14:06 #kisslinux <thermatix> and I need to get polybar or something else working
2021-04-25T19:14:14 #kisslinux <thermatix> cos I needs them  stats
2021-04-25T19:16:41 #kisslinux <zenomat> I might be able to help with the polybar, tho I use the dwm fork of it
2021-04-25T19:17:02 #kisslinux <thermatix> I'm using spectrwm becuase I can't be arsed to deal with suckless style
2021-04-25T19:17:11 #kisslinux <thermatix> I like my config files
2021-04-25T19:17:41 #kisslinux <thermatix> screw having to patch your config into the program and then build it
2021-04-25T19:18:37 #kisslinux <zenomat> Meh, its not that bad
2021-04-25T19:18:43 #kisslinux <thermatix> bleh
2021-04-25T19:18:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> the problem with suckless is that patches aren't kept up to date
2021-04-25T19:19:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> meaning you have to choose between the latest build or having basic features
2021-04-25T19:19:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> like, you know. scrollback.
2021-04-25T19:19:50 #kisslinux <zenomat> I didnt encounter that problem. I was able to snatch the latest build and the patches were up to date or worked without problem
2021-04-25T19:20:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> lucky you
2021-04-25T19:20:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'll stick to xterm
2021-04-25T19:22:46 #kisslinux <thermatix> I use alacritty
2021-04-25T19:25:49 #kisslinux <thermatix> welp, see you tommrow
2021-04-25T19:25:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> See you.
2021-04-25T19:25:55 #kisslinux <thermatix> or not, see how it goes
2021-04-25T19:25:58 #kisslinux <thermatix> bb
2021-04-25T19:36:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> you know what I don't get?
2021-04-25T19:37:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> why Linux *still* doesn't have equivalents to a lot of the built-in software on Windows
2021-04-25T19:37:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> for example, Paint.
2021-04-25T19:37:52 #kisslinux <zenomat> you mean like preinstalled?
2021-04-25T19:37:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> Paint is actually based. But the only program that's a decent enough clone requires fucking Mono
2021-04-25T19:37:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> And no, not preinstalled
2021-04-25T19:37:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> Just... available
2021-04-25T19:38:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> See the MS Task Manager for another example
2021-04-25T19:38:12 #kisslinux <zenomat> ah, well
2021-04-25T19:38:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> The closest I've seen is LXTask
2021-04-25T19:38:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it lacks a lot of the useful features MS Task Manager has
2021-04-25T19:38:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> e.g GPU activity, graphing system load over time, what have you
2021-04-25T19:38:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> also,
2021-04-25T19:39:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> every Linux file manager is... less than nice, to be polite about it.
2021-04-25T19:39:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> unless there's been some great innovation in recent years
2021-04-25T19:40:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> semi-related, but another thing that irks me - display managers
2021-04-25T19:40:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> they also are almost universally trash
2021-04-25T19:41:11 #kisslinux <zenomat> i tried a display manager for maybe 2 weeks, found it sucked and used the tty again
2021-04-25T19:41:20 #kisslinux <zenomat> mostly i find the build in quite sufficient
2021-04-25T19:41:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> they either require environment-specific tools to build (Looking at you, lightDM), are locked to a specific environment in general (GDM!!!), or suck (LXDM, SDDM)
2021-04-25T19:41:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only *good* display manager is XDM
2021-04-25T19:41:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> because you know what it does?
2021-04-25T19:41:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> it authenticates you and runs xsession
2021-04-25T19:41:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's fucking it
2021-04-25T19:41:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> no clock,
2021-04-25T19:41:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> no stupid titlebars,
2021-04-25T19:42:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> no overly complex sessions,
2021-04-25T19:42:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> just a fucking box
2021-04-25T19:42:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> with fucking textboxes
2021-04-25T19:42:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> that you fucking type into
2021-04-25T19:42:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> and, even better, it's scriptable
2021-04-25T19:42:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> so if you *do* want a clock, you can just... run xclock.
2021-04-25T19:42:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> or anything else
2021-04-25T19:43:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...oh, and WDM is also exceptionally based
2021-04-25T19:43:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's even better than XDM. the problem is that it relies on Window Maker's WINGs library
2021-04-25T19:44:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd like to eventually write my own display manager using STLWRT, borrowing heavily from the concepts WDM uses
2021-04-25T19:45:53 #kisslinux <haversham> > https://git.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/ctools/tree/master/item/README.md
2021-04-25T19:45:57 #kisslinux <haversham> "Where the specification is ambiguous, implementation-defined, or unspecified, the programs choose their behavior at random, to discourage relying on these behaviors; or will abort, if practical.
2021-04-25T19:46:02 #kisslinux <haversham> > ddevault
2021-04-25T20:43:52 #kisslinux <jslick> re file manager: may not get a lot of agrees in a channel like this, but dolphin is the best [gui] file manager in any OS, hands down.  Nothing comes close.
2021-04-25T20:45:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> >kde
2021-04-25T20:46:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> opinion discarded
2021-04-25T20:47:08 #kisslinux <jslick> and yet it's still true
2021-04-25T20:47:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> if it uses Qt it's automatically garbage.
2021-04-25T20:52:06 #kisslinux <jslick> I mean, regardless of the technology underneath, from a user perspective, dolphin is not "less than nice"
2021-04-25T20:54:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> I would argue that having to deal with Trolltech's antics dangling over your head is very much so less than nice
2021-04-25T20:54:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> now
2021-04-25T20:54:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least they have image previews
2021-04-25T20:54:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's something GTK still doesn't have, after like twenty years
2021-04-25T20:58:00 #kisslinux <jslick> sure, there are problems with Qt.  But dolphin is still the best gui file manager in any OS
2021-04-25T20:58:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean, if the technology it's based on is fundamentally flawed, I disagree heavily
2021-04-25T21:01:32 #kisslinux <jslick> To put it another way:  If I could make a file manager using any toolkit/tech, it would behave exactly as dolphin does (substitute kconsolepart integration with some other terminal emulator tech if need be, etc.)
2021-04-25T21:02:08 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-04-25T21:06:24 #kisslinux <acheam> jslick: idc about qt (although  I do try an keep my system GTK only for consistency), itts that it also has tons of KDE dependencies
2021-04-25T21:06:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> DE-specific software is cancer
2021-04-25T21:06:41 #kisslinux <acheam> compared to something like pcmanfm-qt which is pure qt with no KDE crap
2021-04-25T21:06:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> pcman is based
2021-04-25T21:06:51 #kisslinux <acheam> speaking of which, pcmanfm is the best FM
2021-04-25T21:06:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> idk
2021-04-25T21:07:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> spacefm is like pcmanfm but better
2021-04-25T21:07:05 #kisslinux <acheam> I have an altar to the pcman in my basement
2021-04-25T21:07:11 #kisslinux <acheam> never tried spacefm
2021-04-25T21:07:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's just pcmanfm cleaned up and given minor extensions
2021-04-25T21:07:29 #kisslinux <acheam> the only reason I ever use a GUI FM is more mtp:// and smb:// shares
2021-04-25T21:07:37 #kisslinux <acheam> ah okay
2021-04-25T21:07:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> it can handle that
2021-04-25T21:07:54 #kisslinux <acheam> I figured, because its based on pcmanfm
2021-04-25T21:08:49 #kisslinux <acheam> oh its nice that spacefm supports gtk2 or 3
2021-04-25T21:08:59 #kisslinux <jslick> yes, the deps problem is unfortunate
2021-04-25T21:09:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> Yup
2021-04-25T21:09:05 #kisslinux <acheam> and udev, eudev, or HAL
2021-04-25T21:09:20 #kisslinux <acheam> my mind has been changed
2021-04-25T21:09:48 #kisslinux <acheam> spacefm is love
2021-04-25T21:09:54 #kisslinux <acheam> except that its hosted on GH
2021-04-25T21:10:02 #kisslinux <acheam> so maybe not *love*
2021-04-25T21:10:25 #kisslinux <acheam> oh and its GPL
2021-04-25T21:10:41 #kisslinux <acheam> so yeah, but still better than pcmanfm
2021-04-25T21:11:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only problem is that IgnorantGuru seems to have pulled a Dylan
2021-04-25T21:15:08 #kisslinux <acheam> hmmm
2021-04-25T21:15:13 #kisslinux <acheam> kissfm?
2021-04-25T21:15:39 #kisslinux <acheam> thats honestly a project I could get behind and have some semblence of hope being helpful with
2021-04-25T21:16:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> I mean, I feel like the KISS file manager would literally just be cp/mv/mkdir/rm/rmdir/etc
2021-04-25T21:17:10 #kisslinux <acheam> ye true
2021-04-25T21:17:12 #kisslinux <acheam> rmdir?
2021-04-25T21:17:15 #kisslinux <acheam> who uses rmdir?
2021-04-25T21:17:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> anyone who doesn't want to be a complete dumbass and rm -rf /
2021-04-25T21:18:20 #kisslinux <acheam> so whats your process for deleting a directory with multiple subdirectories?
2021-04-25T21:18:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> rm -rf ./whatever
2021-04-25T21:18:51 #kisslinux <acheam> then whats the point of rmdir?
2021-04-25T21:18:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> i never use rm -rf with absolute paths, if I can help it
2021-04-25T21:22:14 #kisslinux <jslick> If it's small enough I trash-put it because I'm unreasonably scared of rm.  Or mv it to /tmp
2021-04-25T22:00:15 #kisslinux <merakor> rmdir is for removing empty directories
2021-04-25T22:00:32 #kisslinux <merakor> It's not equivalent to `rm -r`
2021-04-25T22:01:33 #kisslinux <merakor> The package manager uses it when removing packages as a simple way to get rid of directories no longer required
2021-04-25T22:04:47 #kisslinux <E5ten> lol I just went to the spacefm github to see recent commits, and my god, it calls bash code from C
2021-04-25T22:04:51 #kisslinux <E5ten> I don't mean sh I mean bash
2021-04-25T22:05:16 #kisslinux <E5ten> in src/ptk/ptk-handler.c at least
2021-04-25T22:05:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes, it technically wants you to have bash
2021-04-25T22:05:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I just touch an empty file and it runs fine.
2021-04-25T22:05:41 #kisslinux <merakor> Not quite sure, but I think nnn did the same
2021-04-25T22:06:06 #kisslinux <merakor> Maybe just sh, though
2021-04-25T22:06:41 #kisslinux <E5ten> midfavila: I would assume that's because it on your system it doesn't end up having to handle stuff for which it calls bash code?
2021-04-25T22:07:35 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-04-25T22:07:52 #kisslinux <E5ten> idk about possible bash code written in other C files, but in the one I already mentioned, it seems like it's requiring bash unnecessarily, like the only bash feature I see used is [[ in cases where [ would be fine
2021-04-25T23:58:50 #kisslinux <acheam> merakor2: i'm aware, but I don't see a huge use for it when rm -r exists
2021-04-25T23:59:02 #kisslinux <acheam> i guess safety, so you don't accidentally recurse>