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2021-03-02T00:49:18 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> acheam, afaik the only distro that cared and managed to build systemd against musl is yocto
2021-03-02T00:49:41 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> they have a bunch of patches in their repo
2021-03-02T00:50:04 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> because systemd is decidely glibc-only
2021-03-02T00:50:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> ah yes tracer uses glibc. critical detail
2021-03-02T00:50:30 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> attitude on bugtracker is basically "either you do everything like glibc does or fuck off"
2021-03-02T00:51:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's a very funny position to hold when the alternative describes itself as 'does things correctly'
2021-03-02T00:51:46 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> *nod*
2021-03-02T00:51:48 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm, I actually didn't think that that would be an issue, thanks sh4rm4^bnc.
2021-03-02T00:52:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> considering systemd devs tried to get kernel devs to make BREAKING changes for their project, I find it unsurprising (:
2021-03-02T00:53:49 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> wow, i wish i had a link to that one bug i reported myself to the systemd bugtracker
2021-03-02T00:54:15 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> poettering himself responded, and he was arrogant af
2021-03-02T00:54:20 #kisslinux <necromansy> i mean i guess its fine, coz it just means musl distros have less reason to bother with systemd
2021-03-02T00:55:28 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> yeah, i'm not particularly unhappy about it
2021-03-02T00:57:51 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> and tbh, since sabotage only starts 5 services on boot, even sysvinit scripts would be a helluva lot faster than systemd's super-duper-parallel service boot
2021-03-02T00:59:40 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> kinda funny when i recall my debian 6 vm that took like 40 seconds to bring up exim even though i installed netboot image and never configured it to start a fucking smtp server on boot
2021-03-02T01:00:54 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> and wasnt parallel booting speed the #1 selling point of systemd?
2021-03-02T01:01:32 #kisslinux <necromansy> not sure tbh, i know that the monolith structure is a selling point for "ease and stability"
2021-03-02T01:01:36 #kisslinux <necromansy> but idk 'bout speed
2021-03-02T01:01:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> maybe in 2010...
2021-03-02T01:04:03 #kisslinux <travankor> sh4rm4^bnc: ataraxia linux uses systemd
2021-03-02T01:04:27 #kisslinux <travankor> smh tho
2021-03-02T01:04:44 #kisslinux <travankor> dylan is no longer bdfl for a few days and...
2021-03-02T01:05:06 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> heh
2021-03-02T01:06:20 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-03-02T01:07:34 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> ah, ataraxia is protonesso's distro
2021-03-02T01:08:03 #kisslinux <acheam> i love this little sphere of minimalist distros
2021-03-02T01:08:25 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i recall his previous 2 distro attempts, where he used some scripts to generate a commit history of like 10K commits
2021-03-02T01:09:14 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> probably to make it look mature or something
2021-03-02T01:09:18 #kisslinux <acheam> jedahan used a script like that to spell out ABOLISH ICE in his green squares
2021-03-02T01:09:21 #kisslinux <travankor> lmao
2021-03-02T01:09:31 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao champ
2021-03-02T01:10:47 #kisslinux <acheam> for (i=0; i<1000000000000; i++); do; echo "." > file; git commit file -m "this distro's real!"; done; git push
2021-03-02T01:12:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> absolute unit
2021-03-02T01:13:08 #kisslinux <necromansy> would work with Dylan's commit style :P
2021-03-02T01:13:46 #kisslinux <acheam> s/this distro's real!/update/
2021-03-02T01:13:47 #kisslinux <kissbot> <acheam> for (i=0; i<1000000000000; i++); do; echo "." > file; git commit file -m "update"; done; git push
2021-03-02T01:17:47 #kisslinux <necromansy> perfect
2021-03-02T01:21:02 #kisslinux * dilyn chef's kiss
2021-03-02T01:21:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> check out this *bespoke distro*
2021-03-02T01:21:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> commits just say 're'
2021-03-02T01:21:52 #kisslinux <necromansy> commits are just an ever increasing amount of e's
2021-03-02T01:23:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> systemreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeEeEeEeEeEeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
2021-03-02T01:24:48 #kisslinux <acheam> today's been a good day for the fortune file lol
2021-03-02T01:25:04 #kisslinux <acheam> we're already at 40 quotes
2021-03-02T01:25:15 #kisslinux <acheam> I may need to buy a new hard drive to store these
2021-03-02T01:31:21 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> Jul 21 16:01:27 <feepbot> h by protonesso Pull Request #4 pikhq/sabotage GitHub
2021-03-02T01:31:21 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> Jul 21 16:01:35 <jill> 'protonesso wants to merge 5,035 commits into pikhq:master from sabotage-linux:master'
2021-03-02T01:31:23 #kisslinux <necromansy> might be a good idea lol
2021-03-02T01:31:34 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeesh
2021-03-02T01:32:11 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> Aug 12 21:15:56 <feepbot> static busybox is bad busybox! by protonesso Pull Request #3 ivandavidov/minimal-linux-script GitHub
2021-03-02T01:33:38 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> Feb 04 22:03:31 <protonesso> Some people says you're weird
2021-03-02T01:33:38 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> Feb 04 22:03:38 <protonesso> say*
2021-03-02T01:33:38 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> Feb 04 22:19:15 <protonesso> I know a guy who left sabotage team
2021-03-02T01:33:38 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> Feb 04 22:19:23 <protonesso> because you're weird
2021-03-02T01:34:20 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> he didn't seem particularly bright when he interacted with me....
2021-03-02T01:38:04 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> his first distro was basically a straight copy of sabotage with 5 things changed but 0 credits
2021-03-02T01:38:44 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> Oct 11 20:14:39 <protonesso> why you not renamed sabotage
2021-03-02T01:38:54 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> Oct 11 20:18:51 <protonesso> it is the first distro uses musl libc, but small
2021-03-02T01:38:54 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> group of people know it
2021-03-02T01:38:54 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> Oct 11 20:19:16 <protonesso> and that very sad
2021-03-02T01:39:11 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> Oct 11 20:21:33 <protonesso> and you are made cool sys libs such as netbsd-cu
2021-03-02T01:39:12 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> rses and libnl-tiny
2021-03-02T01:39:12 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> Oct 11 20:23:20 <protonesso> for me: sabotage is cool distro for embedded devices
2021-03-02T01:40:23 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> anyway, he seems to be quite productive
2021-03-02T01:42:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> why would you rename it wtf xD
2021-03-02T01:43:13 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> to make it "mine" i guess...
2021-03-02T01:43:22 #kisslinux <necromansy> odd
2021-03-02T02:11:01 #kisslinux <acheam> stupid ZNC
2021-03-02T02:34:10 #kisslinux <acheam> when you bump a package version does the relver reset?
2021-03-02T02:34:48 #kisslinux <konimex> yes
2021-03-02T02:35:00 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks!
2021-03-02T02:35:10 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm a noob at kiss lol
2021-03-02T02:47:14 #kisslinux <necromansy> what ist relver?
2021-03-02T02:48:34 #kisslinux <acheam> the second field in the version file
2021-03-02T02:48:44 #kisslinux <necromansy> oh relative versin
2021-03-02T02:48:47 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah aight
2021-03-02T02:49:19 #kisslinux <acheam> I know all the lingo from being in this channel, but don't know any of the technical stuff :p
2021-03-02T02:49:37 #kisslinux <necromansy> im learning a lot just from running kiss tbh
2021-03-02T02:49:38 #kisslinux <necromansy> its neat
2021-03-02T03:00:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> the relver is the repo version relative to the upstream version
2021-03-02T03:01:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> you bump relver in cases where you add a new patch, fix a bug, tweak the build file, add something, etc.etc.
2021-03-02T03:01:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> do not bump relvers for depends file changes
2021-03-02T03:01:31 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah makes sense
2021-03-02T03:01:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> :)
2021-03-02T03:01:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> :))))))))
2021-03-02T03:02:05 #kisslinux <acheam> :)))))))))))))))))
2021-03-02T03:02:13 #kisslinux <acheam> how was the pizza, mid?
2021-03-02T03:02:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> pizza was p good
2021-03-02T03:02:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> just kinda sitting around being a doomer now
2021-03-02T03:02:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> breathing
2021-03-02T03:02:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> etc
2021-03-02T03:02:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> as you do
2021-03-02T03:02:37 #kisslinux <acheam> as you do.
2021-03-02T03:02:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> yup.
2021-03-02T03:02:55 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeuup
2021-03-02T03:02:59 #kisslinux * midfavila sips
2021-03-02T03:03:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeeeeeeup
2021-03-02T03:03:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> wolfenstein was a good game
2021-03-02T03:04:41 #kisslinux <necromansy> i still need to play the OG wolfenstein games
2021-03-02T03:05:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> I played wolfenstein-in-doom
2021-03-02T03:05:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is like
2021-03-02T03:05:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> close eonugh ig
2021-03-02T03:05:27 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah close enuf
2021-03-02T03:05:35 #kisslinux <necromansy> ive only played the new ones
2021-03-02T03:05:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> aren't the new ones kind of shit
2021-03-02T03:05:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> and by kind of I mean a lot
2021-03-02T03:05:55 #kisslinux <necromansy> nah they're pre good imo
2021-03-02T03:06:11 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-03-02T03:06:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm more of an RPG guy
2021-03-02T03:06:21 #kisslinux <necromansy> same tbh
2021-03-02T03:06:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> been playing a lot of cataclysm lately
2021-03-02T03:06:36 #kisslinux <necromansy> i just find the history of old school rpgs cool
2021-03-02T03:07:04 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> there's only ever been a single good 3d game, UT99
2021-03-02T03:10:26 #kisslinux <drunken_southern> What web browser do most kiss users use? I like qutebrowser, but if I remember having tons of trouble building it for kiss last time I tried
2021-03-02T03:10:41 #kisslinux <necromansy> i use FF coz im too lazy to build something else
2021-03-02T03:10:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> i use a pale moon fork
2021-03-02T03:12:15 #kisslinux <drunken_southern> I haven't got a web browser installed on this machine yet. my gemini browser runs fine without having a dependancy hell 0.o
2021-03-02T03:12:29 #kisslinux <necromansy> what gemini browser you using?
2021-03-02T03:12:39 #kisslinux <drunken_southern> just amfora
2021-03-02T03:12:59 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah when i packed that it only needed go as a make dep
2021-03-02T03:13:28 #kisslinux <drunken_southern> thanks Xeno-Hypster :)
2021-03-02T03:13:34 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao
2021-03-02T03:13:37 #kisslinux <necromansy> np :P
2021-03-02T03:13:54 #kisslinux <acheam> drunken_southern: firefox, palemoon, and chromium are popular
2021-03-02T03:14:00 #kisslinux <acheam> pretty much the usual slate of browsers
2021-03-02T03:14:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> should package pale moon as the standard browser
2021-03-02T03:14:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> no rust
2021-03-02T03:14:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> :3
2021-03-02T03:15:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> chromium is bae
2021-03-02T03:15:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> botnet lite
2021-03-02T03:15:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> no rust tho
2021-03-02T03:15:24 #kisslinux <acheam> google tho
2021-03-02T03:15:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> ^
2021-03-02T03:15:29 #kisslinux <necromansy> i should try to package edbrowse
2021-03-02T03:15:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> edbrowse would be cool if it was just a browser
2021-03-02T03:15:50 #kisslinux <drunken_southern> i may have to figure out distcc before i try compiling a browser on this machine
2021-03-02T03:15:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> UNGOOGLED chromium
2021-03-02T03:15:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> >=|
2021-03-02T03:16:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> diet botnet lite
2021-03-02T03:16:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> you're just reducing it smh
2021-03-02T03:16:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> seamonkey or pale meme
2021-03-02T03:16:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> those are your browser choices now
2021-03-02T03:16:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> choose, boiboi
2021-03-02T03:16:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> botnet how
2021-03-02T03:16:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> s/boiboi/soiboi/
2021-03-02T03:16:32 #kisslinux <kissbot> <midfavila> choose, soiboi
2021-03-02T03:16:32 #kisslinux <acheam> its a non-botnet browser written by a company who also writes a botnet browser
2021-03-02T03:16:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> I Can't Believe It's Not Chrome!
2021-03-02T03:17:43 #kisslinux <acheam> mid, stop taking a monopoly in the fortune file
2021-03-02T03:18:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuckin make me
2021-03-02T03:18:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> can't tell me what to do
2021-03-02T03:18:44 #kisslinux <acheam> mid, stop taking a monopoly in the fortune file
2021-03-02T03:19:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> mid, stop taking a monopoly in the fortune file
2021-03-02T03:19:09 #kisslinux * midfavila smacks both with newspaper
2021-03-02T03:19:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> gtfo
2021-03-02T03:19:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm the captain now
2021-03-02T03:19:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I'll take as much of the monopoly board as I goddamn please
2021-03-02T03:19:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> now pay your fucking taxes
2021-03-02T03:19:34 #kisslinux <necromansy> sorry mid, you lost the election
2021-03-02T03:19:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> or i'm evicting you
2021-03-02T03:19:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> NO
2021-03-02T03:19:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> THIS IS A COUP
2021-03-02T03:19:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> respect my authority
2021-03-02T03:19:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
2021-03-02T03:22:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> nah
2021-03-02T03:24:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> +m
2021-03-02T03:24:26 #kisslinux * dilyn waves goodbye
2021-03-02T03:24:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> You cannot silence the silent majority
2021-03-02T03:24:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> for we are already quiet
2021-03-02T03:24:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> and that is our power
2021-03-02T03:24:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> :thinking:
2021-03-02T03:43:58 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi
2021-03-02T03:47:33 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: mind dropping a link to the fortune file?
2021-03-02T03:47:41 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol maybe that should be in the /topic
2021-03-02T03:49:04 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl: https://git.sr.ht/~armaan/kiss-repo/tree/main/item/fortune
2021-03-02T03:50:05 #kisslinux <kiedtl> thanks
2021-03-02T03:51:40 #kisslinux <acheam> you have to run "fortune -c kiss" to get just the kiss fortunes by the way
2021-03-02T03:51:57 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I'm not installing it rn, but thanks
2021-03-02T03:52:04 #kisslinux <necromansy> lel i installed it so that was useful
2021-03-02T03:52:11 #kisslinux <acheam> :)
2021-03-02T03:56:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> I feel like I have to install it
2021-03-02T03:56:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> now I can tell you about how awful your macbook is in comparison to my panasonic, even without an internet connection
2021-03-02T03:56:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> my plan progresses
2021-03-02T03:56:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> muahahaha
2021-03-02T03:57:08 #kisslinux <necromansy> oh lord now theres no reprieve from mid
2021-03-02T03:57:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao your build file is bad lad what is this
2021-03-02T03:57:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> fear my shitty memes and autistic rhetoric
2021-03-02T03:57:54 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah i had to doas kiss b
2021-03-02T03:59:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> just do
2021-03-02T04:00:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> install -Dm755 fortune "$1/usr/bin/fortune"
2021-03-02T04:00:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> install -Dm644 kiss "$1/usr/share/fortune/kiss"
2021-03-02T04:00:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> install -Dm644 cookie "$1/usr/share/fortune/cookie"
2021-03-02T04:00:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> ez
2021-03-02T04:01:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmfao >> "I say "no a lot""
2021-03-02T04:02:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> this is the best way to read that
2021-03-02T04:08:17 #kisslinux <kiedtl> >somewhere drew devault needs to change his pants and he
2021-03-02T04:08:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> doesn't know why
2021-03-02T04:08:27 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks, dilyn
2021-03-02T04:08:27 #kisslinux <kiedtl> am I the only one who doesn't understand that?
2021-03-02T04:09:20 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> that was when dylin joked about adding wayland to repo
2021-03-02T04:11:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> joked?
2021-03-02T04:11:49 #kisslinux <necromansy> he doesnt joke about wayland
2021-03-02T04:11:52 #kisslinux <kiedtl> still don't understand the joke, lol. I'm dense as hell.
2021-03-02T04:12:21 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah I don't really get it either, just thought it was funny...
2021-03-02T04:12:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> the joke is cooooooom
2021-03-02T04:12:35 #kisslinux <necromansy> drew is a wayland adovocate
2021-03-02T04:12:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> ddevault loves wayland and wanted KISS to switch from xorg because it jives better with the philosophy
2021-03-02T04:12:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh also yes
2021-03-02T04:12:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> jizz
2021-03-02T04:13:01 #kisslinux <kiedtl> i understood that part
2021-03-02T04:13:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> "oh god yes adopt sway as the default compositor"
2021-03-02T04:13:20 #kisslinux <kiedtl> not necessarily because it jived with the philosophy
2021-03-02T04:13:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> and yes
2021-03-02T04:13:30 #kisslinux <kiedtl> because complaining is his hobby horse
2021-03-02T04:13:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> that was exactly the reason
2021-03-02T04:13:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least in the git issue
2021-03-02T04:13:43 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ye
2021-03-02T04:13:47 #kisslinux * kiedtl off
2021-03-02T04:13:49 #kisslinux <kiedtl> cya
2021-03-02T04:13:55 #kisslinux <acheam> bye kiedtl
2021-03-02T04:14:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean I love cankin' it to wayland as much as the next guy
2021-03-02T04:14:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> s/cankin'/crankin'/
2021-03-02T04:14:09 #kisslinux <kissbot> <dilyn> I mean I love crankin' it to wayland as much as the next guy
2021-03-02T04:14:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> gngn
2021-03-02T04:14:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> i too enjoy participating in circlejerks in obscure eye are see gahnoo's not yoonix loonix chats
2021-03-02T04:15:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's why I'm here after all
2021-03-02T04:15:44 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol
2021-03-02T04:15:51 #kisslinux <kiedtl> wait I'm supposed to be off, bye
2021-03-02T04:50:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> man
2021-03-02T04:50:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> i wish it rained more in my city
2021-03-02T15:23:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> I woke up
2021-03-02T15:23:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> Went out to get my morning tea
2021-03-02T15:23:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> Opened the little drip-strainer I use to brew it
2021-03-02T15:23:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> And a fucking spider crawled out
2021-03-02T15:23:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> somehow I feel like today is going to be even worse than yesterday
2021-03-02T15:27:08 #kisslinux <ctb0> mid what is the name of the pale moon for you use again?
2021-03-02T15:27:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, technically it's unnamed
2021-03-02T15:27:26 #kisslinux <ctb0> s/for/fork/
2021-03-02T15:27:27 #kisslinux <kissbot> <ctb0> mid what is the name of the pale moon fork you use again?
2021-03-02T15:27:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> but a lot of people call it the nuegia browser
2021-03-02T15:27:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> on account of the source being hosted at https://git.nuegia.net/webbrowser.git
2021-03-02T15:28:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> *personally* I think it should be nuegia navigator
2021-03-02T15:30:26 #kisslinux <ctb0> do you have a build available anywhere?
2021-03-02T15:31:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> Yeah, I have a glibc build in my repo
2021-03-02T15:31:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://git.sdf.org/midfavila/kiss-mfavila/
2021-03-02T15:31:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> should be under testing
2021-03-02T15:31:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2021-03-02T15:32:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> it is
2021-03-02T15:32:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> my build uses gtk2 but you can build it with gtk3 too
2021-03-02T15:32:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'll have to put together a from-source package Soon:tm:
2021-03-02T15:33:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> mine is also 64-bit just in case you're running a 32-bit machine
2021-03-02T15:33:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> not that most people are at this point, but still
2021-03-02T15:35:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> rebuilt chromium, it's 100MB smaller. #minimalism
2021-03-02T15:36:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> mememalism
2021-03-02T15:36:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> no TRUE minimalist uses GUI mode applications
2021-03-02T15:36:35 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> How
2021-03-02T15:37:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe
2021-03-02T15:37:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> /shrug
2021-03-02T15:37:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> let me see if I can suss out what might've done it
2021-03-02T15:37:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> did you forget to strip the old binary?
2021-03-02T15:37:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> that'd probably do it
2021-03-02T15:37:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> i never forget
2021-03-02T15:37:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> i need to add stripping to my packages
2021-03-02T15:38:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> as it stands I just kind of
2021-03-02T15:38:07 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> is it 120mb now?
2021-03-02T15:38:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> sls strip /usr/bin/*
2021-03-02T15:38:10 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> cux regular is 200+
2021-03-02T15:38:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is... haphazardous
2021-03-02T15:39:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> 190
2021-03-02T15:39:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> was previously 390
2021-03-02T15:39:29 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice
2021-03-02T15:39:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> meanwhile my meme browser is 147k
2021-03-02T15:39:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao
2021-03-02T15:39:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> chromelets btfo
2021-03-02T15:40:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> http://ix.io/2Rqw that's the diff (some of the -/+ are wrong because things just MOVED so it's harder to parse), not sure entirely what did it
2021-03-02T15:40:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> i use chrome because it's the best
2021-03-02T15:40:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> chrome is the corvette of browsers
2021-03-02T15:40:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> Tha Bes:tm:
2021-03-02T15:40:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> and that's dilyn approved(tm)(r)(c)
2021-03-02T15:40:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you're going to use a proprietary browser at least use a based browser
2021-03-02T15:40:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> like vivaldi
2021-03-02T15:40:53 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> its not even proprietary
2021-03-02T15:40:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> opera or bust lads
2021-03-02T15:41:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> vivaldi is like old opera
2021-03-02T15:41:07 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> dilyn did you try using git apply instead of toybox patch
2021-03-02T15:41:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is why I like it
2021-03-02T15:41:11 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> so you won't have that mess in repo
2021-03-02T15:41:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd be using Fifth right now but it hasn't been updated since 2014
2021-03-02T15:41:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao I am slowly cleaning up the package :P
2021-03-02T15:41:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> I wanted to play videos on twitch again so I had to enable proprietary codecs :'(
2021-03-02T15:41:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> >twitch
2021-03-02T15:41:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> cringe
2021-03-02T15:41:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> having fun is cringe dilyn
2021-03-02T15:42:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> i just want to watch chess
2021-03-02T15:42:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> C r i n g e a n d n e r d p i l l e d
2021-03-02T15:42:40 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol
2021-03-02T15:42:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> hey dog my elo is almost my waist size soooooo
2021-03-02T15:42:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> 8D
2021-03-02T15:43:00 #kisslinux <kiedtl> so, when was chromium built? I didn't know that happened
2021-03-02T15:43:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> >elo
2021-03-02T15:43:09 #kisslinux <kiedtl> elo
2021-03-02T15:43:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> is this some amerifat slang I don't know yet
2021-03-02T15:43:12 #kisslinux <kiedtl> how do you pronounce that
2021-03-02T15:43:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> ey-low
2021-03-02T15:43:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> i would imagine
2021-03-02T15:43:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> e-low
2021-03-02T15:43:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> ee-low
2021-03-02T15:43:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's a chess rating system
2021-03-02T15:43:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> eee-low
2021-03-02T15:43:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> for how fucking leet you are
2021-03-02T15:43:32 #kisslinux <kiedtl> o_o
2021-03-02T15:43:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh so you're not very leet then
2021-03-02T15:43:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> gotcha
2021-03-02T15:43:40 #kisslinux <kiedtl> extra-low
2021-03-02T15:43:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> me af
2021-03-02T15:44:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah i'm fucking trash at chess
2021-03-02T15:44:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you can't even beat deep thought with anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti computer chess then get the fuck out
2021-03-02T15:44:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's why I make fun of you nerds on the internet
2021-03-02T15:44:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> luser
2021-03-02T15:44:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> thomas watson is laughing at you
2021-03-02T15:45:16 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> dilyn what do you do in the 3 days that your pc spends building that trash
2021-03-02T15:45:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> and then kiwiirc inexplicably broke wth
2021-03-02T15:45:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> I do my job like I'm supposed to :v
2021-03-02T15:45:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> imagine having a job
2021-03-02T15:45:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> yesterday was my most productive day at work since february, and it's all because chromium was building
2021-03-02T15:45:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao
2021-03-02T15:46:30 #kisslinux * kiedtl begins downloading chromium sources
2021-03-02T15:46:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> man I wish opera 12 had been open sourced
2021-03-02T15:47:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> having presto available would be p awesome
2021-03-02T15:47:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> dilyn: reminds me of when slock decided I shouldn't be using my laptop for a few days
2021-03-02T15:47:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> I should try modding slock
2021-03-02T15:47:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> aren't computers just the best
2021-03-02T15:47:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> I want to add an xdm-esque login prompt to it
2021-03-02T15:48:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe a clock
2021-03-02T15:49:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> displaying the number of failed logins would be nice too
2021-03-02T15:49:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I guess at that point it's not memealist enough
2021-03-02T15:49:51 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> kiedtl you should probably drop the `v8_enable_i18n` line if you're using the community build, it breaks devtools and _maybe_ some sites too
2021-03-02T15:50:10 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i will fix it in next major release which is tomorrow probably
2021-03-02T15:51:15 #kisslinux <kiedtl> testuser_[m]: ....what
2021-03-02T15:51:34 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> its a flag
2021-03-02T15:51:57 #kisslinux <kiedtl> oh, are you referring to my *downloads chromium sources*? That was a joke, and I (sadly) am unable to use KISS anyway
2021-03-02T15:52:01 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> ah
2021-03-02T15:52:55 #kisslinux <kiedtl> but congrats on getting chromium up and running, i know that's something dylan struggled with for a while
2021-03-02T15:53:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> cuckmium smh
2021-03-02T15:53:22 #kisslinux <kiedtl> firefucks smh
2021-03-02T15:53:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> firefucks is cringe
2021-03-02T15:53:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> use NCSA Mosaic or gtfo
2021-03-02T15:53:35 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> All browsers are trash
2021-03-02T15:53:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> you're trash
2021-03-02T15:53:48 #kisslinux <acheam> ^
2021-03-02T15:53:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> >:c
2021-03-02T15:53:51 #kisslinux <acheam> oh whoops
2021-03-02T15:53:51 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Except the one and only ...lynx!
2021-03-02T15:53:54 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol
2021-03-02T15:53:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> even acheam agrees
2021-03-02T15:53:59 #kisslinux <acheam> meant to up arrow test user's message, not mid's
2021-03-02T15:53:59 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> lol
2021-03-02T15:54:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> too late
2021-03-02T15:54:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> your words are forever sealed
2021-03-02T15:54:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I mean lynx is unironically super based
2021-03-02T15:54:26 #kisslinux <kiedtl> sealed up in the vaults of globbot
2021-03-02T15:54:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> other than the fact that it takes a billion and a half aeons to load fucking ANYTHING
2021-03-02T15:54:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I still optimize my site for text browser users
2021-03-02T15:55:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> because I'm just a cool guy like that
2021-03-02T15:56:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> then again it's basically just a plaintext site with some CSS to position shit
2021-03-02T15:56:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> this fucking mailing list
2021-03-02T15:56:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/005854.html
2021-03-02T15:56:16 #kisslinux * dilyn fans self
2021-03-02T15:56:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> how you gonna just slap someone through the internet like that
2021-03-02T15:56:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> should I get the fainting couch
2021-03-02T15:57:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> probably!
2021-03-02T15:58:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> the mastodon post the dude linked is pretty cringe
2021-03-02T15:58:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> but overall has a decent point
2021-03-02T15:58:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> i liked it
2021-03-02T15:58:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> the argument of "banning users for your own mental health" in particular is stupid. they're not doing anything to you smh
2021-03-02T15:59:12 #kisslinux <kiedtl> petite has been trolling the ML for more than a year now.
2021-03-02T15:59:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> now, second they start actively harming other people, btfo them immediately
2021-03-02T15:59:26 #kisslinux <kiedtl> there are bunch of users who have blocked him on their end
2021-03-02T16:00:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay so what's the problem
2021-03-02T16:00:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> the problem is there's people like me who think their contributions are garbage, they hate the entire enterprise, and should leave. but refuse to
2021-03-02T16:00:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> every time I read petite's emails I want to unsub
2021-03-02T16:00:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> block them
2021-03-02T16:00:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> problem solved
2021-03-02T16:00:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-02T16:00:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> next question plox
2021-03-02T16:01:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> sure, so instead of admins doing something the solution is that everyone else should do the thing the admin should do
2021-03-02T16:01:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> "I don't like them and their opinions" isn't a bannable offense
2021-03-02T16:01:17 #kisslinux <acheam> the gemini ML is cringe
2021-03-02T16:01:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ^^
2021-03-02T16:01:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> except for when the new users don't know that, and they got bombarded with a billion shitposts from heaven, think that's what it's like, and get out of dodge because they hate it?
2021-03-02T16:01:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmfao yes it IS
2021-03-02T16:01:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> dude
2021-03-02T16:01:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> if that was the case literally ban me rn m8
2021-03-02T16:01:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> all I do is shitpost
2021-03-02T16:01:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> anything is a bannable offense if you've properly defined the rules xD
2021-03-02T16:01:55 #kisslinux <acheam> also, email signatures are cringe
2021-03-02T16:01:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> jfc the fortunes file is literally like 80% me shitposting
2021-03-02T16:01:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> :v
2021-03-02T16:03:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> anyway yeah most of that mastodon post was meh at best awful at worst
2021-03-02T16:04:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's not like it matters anyway because internet forums are basically dead!
2021-03-02T16:04:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> i fucking LOVE 2021!
2021-03-02T16:04:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> I think that's only because you have this absurd notion that anybody should respect free speech because it's the pillar of freedom by which all things must be measured
2021-03-02T16:04:29 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ok
2021-03-02T16:04:31 #kisslinux <kiedtl> let this die
2021-03-02T16:04:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-02T16:04:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> freedom of expression is part of the IDHR
2021-03-02T16:04:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> just saying
2021-03-02T16:04:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's kinda important
2021-03-02T16:04:49 #kisslinux <kiedtl> enough.
2021-03-02T16:04:52 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-03-02T16:04:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> b&
2021-03-02T16:04:57 #kisslinux <kiedtl> We're not re-debating this here.
2021-03-02T16:05:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> is there a reason libjpeg is necessary?
2021-03-02T16:05:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> muh jaypeegees
2021-03-02T16:05:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> somebody wants it in community but like, turbo is just strictly better no?
2021-03-02T16:05:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> alpine has it for exactly one package...
2021-03-02T16:05:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> i imagine there's some old software that might need it
2021-03-02T16:05:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd shunt it into the graveyard myself
2021-03-02T16:06:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> I think this mang just likes legacy software. he wants to add ctags, but not the new and current ctags. ctags from eleven years ago
2021-03-02T16:06:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> legacy software without a reason to be kept around should be pushed to the graveyard, imho
2021-03-02T16:06:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> give people a chance to fork it, then delete
2021-03-02T16:06:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean I asked why he wants them, if he's got a good enough reason they can join the party
2021-03-02T16:06:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> but i ain't seein' it
2021-03-02T16:07:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, if turbo obseletes it for the past 20+ years then there's not a whole lotta reason
2021-03-02T16:24:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> us
2021-03-02T16:24:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> oop
2021-03-02T16:24:54 #kisslinux <acheam> we
2021-03-02T16:25:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> usoopwe
2021-03-02T16:25:57 #kisslinux <acheam> usoopweyou
2021-03-02T16:26:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> look what libinput has done smh
2021-03-02T16:26:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> just stop being a waylet
2021-03-02T16:26:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> even with trackpad disabled while typing i still get screwed
2021-03-02T16:26:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> come home, dilyn
2021-03-02T16:26:20 #kisslinux <acheam> "<@dilyn> Let's just drop support for input devices"
2021-03-02T16:26:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> pls
2021-03-02T16:26:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> there will always be a place for you in the embrace of xorg
2021-03-02T16:26:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> i interface with my computer via a bluetooth chip i implanted in my brain
2021-03-02T16:26:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> dog i've never liked xorg
2021-03-02T16:27:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't mis-species me
2021-03-02T16:27:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> smh
2021-03-02T16:27:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm a GOAT
2021-03-02T16:27:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> not a dog
2021-03-02T16:27:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuckin humans man
2021-03-02T16:27:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> lemme tell ya
2021-03-02T16:27:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-02T16:33:05 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> is there a preference between unbound, bind, or alternatives?
2021-03-02T16:33:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> "unbound"?
2021-03-02T16:34:02 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> dns resolver: https://www.nlnetlabs.nl/projects/unbound/about/
2021-03-02T16:34:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> Oh
2021-03-02T16:34:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> I just point my resolv file at my router
2021-03-02T16:34:37 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-03-02T16:36:26 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i'd like to point mine at a dns server that goes right to the root servers, rather than going through my ISP or like, google's 8.8.8.8
2021-03-02T16:36:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> last I checked my setup just pulls from SDF
2021-03-02T16:39:23 #kisslinux <acheam> quad9 is great
2021-03-02T16:42:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> i just filter stuff on my router
2021-03-02T16:42:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> ezpz
2021-03-02T16:42:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> for a while I used librenet since they're an altnet resolver too
2021-03-02T16:43:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> meaning no restrictions from ICANN's root server to deal with
2021-03-02T16:43:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least, I think it was called librenet
2021-03-02T16:46:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah nah it was opennic
2021-03-02T16:48:00 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i'm using InterNIC's root server list
2021-03-02T16:48:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> I thought InterNIC was defunct?
2021-03-02T16:49:15 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://www.internic.net/domain/named.cache i dunno, last update was Feb 17th so not too long ago
2021-03-02T16:50:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> huh...
2021-03-02T16:52:15 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> IANA still points to internic's as well https://www.iana.org/domains/root/servers
2021-03-02T16:53:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> one thing I do want to get squared away is a DNS cache on my PC
2021-03-02T16:54:58 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i believe bind can be configured to do so fairly easily
2021-03-02T16:55:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, but then you have the entire BIND setup...
2021-03-02T16:55:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is a little overkill
2021-03-02T16:55:55 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> fair enough lol
2021-03-02T16:57:39 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> are there even any dns caching servers that work without needing a forwarding config set up too?
2021-03-02T16:58:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean, doubt it
2021-03-02T16:58:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> i just want to reduce the need to constantly ping my router for DNS data
2021-03-02T16:58:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> it already handles resolving and shit for me
2021-03-02T16:59:18 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> dnsmasq sort of maybe?
2021-03-02T16:59:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> pretty sure there are daemons that are specifically for caching
2021-03-02T17:00:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't need a resolver too
2021-03-02T17:00:49 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> ncsd looks like one?
2021-03-02T17:01:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> ah yes the north carolina school for the deaf
2021-03-02T17:01:07 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> nscd i mean
2021-03-02T17:01:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> my favorite caching daemon
2021-03-02T17:01:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> and yeah that name rings a bell
2021-03-02T17:01:23 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> lol i'll blame it on libinput
2021-03-02T17:02:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> also
2021-03-02T17:02:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> anyone who uses dark blue text on a black background?
2021-03-02T17:02:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm coming to get you
2021-03-02T17:02:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> in minecraft
2021-03-02T17:04:58 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://github.com/pikhq/musl-nscd
2021-03-02T17:05:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> v cool
2021-03-02T17:10:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> that libc is so intimate with things like dns make me very uncomfortable
2021-03-02T17:10:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> it would be nice to have it all be external from the core system library
2021-03-02T17:11:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> but hasn't it always been that way in unix systems? i imagine it might be difficult to change that
2021-03-02T17:11:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean, yes
2021-03-02T17:11:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm not saying it should change I'm saying it makes me uncomfortable
2021-03-02T17:11:44 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Well, it's better than having 10 different mutually-incompatible C networking libraries
2021-03-02T17:11:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> my reptile brain says 'no pls'
2021-03-02T17:12:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> right instead we just have four libcs which parse dns lists differently
2021-03-02T17:12:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> #better
2021-03-02T17:12:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> ^
2021-03-02T17:12:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> both situations are inelegant
2021-03-02T17:12:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> but, meh
2021-03-02T17:12:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> i love that part of why glibc CAN'T be static is it breathlessly shatters nss
2021-03-02T17:12:39 #kisslinux <kiedtl> >parse dns lists differently
2021-03-02T17:12:45 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I had no idea that was the case
2021-03-02T17:12:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2021-03-02T17:12:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> musl parses in parallel
2021-03-02T17:13:01 #kisslinux <kiedtl> don't we just love how strict the POSIX specification is guise?
2021-03-02T17:13:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> glibc parses in serial
2021-03-02T17:13:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah it's funny watching people who fiddle with their dns stuff come to the musl mailing list like 'wtf is this shit'
2021-03-02T17:13:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> so musl will usually beat glibc in dns resolve
2021-03-02T17:13:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least afaik
2021-03-02T17:13:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> correct me if I'm wrong
2021-03-02T17:13:30 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I dunno
2021-03-02T17:13:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> iirc that's only true in... some cases?
2021-03-02T17:13:39 #kisslinux <kiedtl> parallel as in, with pthreads?
2021-03-02T17:13:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm not sure of the exact method it uses
2021-03-02T17:14:31 #kisslinux <kiedtl> hmm, I'm checking it rn
2021-03-02T17:15:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> I really need to get around to learning C proper
2021-03-02T17:15:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's such. a. pain. to read C source code
2021-03-02T17:15:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-02T17:15:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's just fun http://lists.busybox.net/pipermail/busybox/2014-November/081960.html
2021-03-02T17:15:52 #kisslinux <kiedtl> c isn't that hard to read, once you get over the trauma of realizing that you can do ++c instead of c++
2021-03-02T17:15:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> oodles and caboodles
2021-03-02T17:16:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's probably just because I'm used to bourne script
2021-03-02T17:16:16 #kisslinux <kiedtl> and c's insane operator precedence
2021-03-02T17:16:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> which has more in common with ALGOL than C
2021-03-02T17:16:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> in terms of syntax
2021-03-02T17:17:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> pretending to be able to read C has taken me very far
2021-03-02T17:17:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> like don't get me wrong
2021-03-02T17:17:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> I can kind of read C
2021-03-02T17:17:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> and maybe even understand it
2021-03-02T17:17:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> for the most part
2021-03-02T17:17:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's like
2021-03-02T17:17:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> how the fuck does a bunch of math turn into google chrome
2021-03-02T17:17:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> riddle me that batman
2021-03-02T17:17:50 #kisslinux <kiedtl> tbh I'm not familiar with libc's networking stuff, is gethostbyname the right place to look?
2021-03-02T17:18:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> how does a bunch of machine code turn into a GTK box on my screen
2021-03-02T17:18:07 #kisslinux <kiedtl> midfavila: the sqrt and tan stuff is fuuun to look at
2021-03-02T17:18:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> like afaik there are certain "virtual" memory addresses that are actually mapped to peripherals
2021-03-02T17:18:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> and by writing and reading to and from those you can manipulate the registers of said peripherals
2021-03-02T17:18:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> e.g GPUs and stuff
2021-03-02T17:18:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> but like
2021-03-02T17:18:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> h o w
2021-03-02T17:19:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> the register stores a bit; bit change, light go off
2021-03-02T17:19:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> bit change again, light go on
2021-03-02T17:19:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay but
2021-03-02T17:19:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> now you got a rave
2021-03-02T17:19:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> . -.
2021-03-02T17:19:28 #kisslinux <kiedtl> kernel sets interrupts so that the mem bus notifies the kernel when a program tries to write to those addresses
2021-03-02T17:19:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> how bit change make money disappear, midfavila ask
2021-03-02T17:20:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> he scream, he not know why
2021-03-02T17:20:00 #kisslinux <kiedtl> iirc those are "fake" addresses, actually writing to them would trigger a bus error
2021-03-02T17:20:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only stuff I know about low level programming is 1970s era stuff
2021-03-02T17:20:36 #kisslinux <kiedtl> so
2021-03-02T17:20:40 #kisslinux <kiedtl> apparently musl does use pthread
2021-03-02T17:20:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> where bugs in your code were literal bugs in your code
2021-03-02T17:20:53 #kisslinux <kiedtl> and not gcc, eh?
2021-03-02T17:21:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> gcc was just hands
2021-03-02T17:21:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> optimizations were just not causing arthritis and paper cuts
2021-03-02T17:21:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> the good old days
2021-03-02T17:21:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> back in my day we wrote our programs on paper and hand-assembled them into octal
2021-03-02T17:21:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Optimizations: make your code fail even faster
2021-03-02T17:22:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> you kids with your IBM PC Compatibles and fancy microprocessors
2021-03-02T17:22:18 #kisslinux <kiedtl> midfavila: octal? lucky bastard. We comrades had trinary
2021-03-02T17:22:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> all yer gigglebytes of wam
2021-03-02T17:22:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> why, my first machine had 256 bits
2021-03-02T17:22:33 #kisslinux <kiedtl> gigglebytes of wam
2021-03-02T17:22:35 #kisslinux <kiedtl> love that
2021-03-02T17:22:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> and you know what? I was happy to do my taxes with that
2021-03-02T17:24:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> actually there's a literal unironic boomer in my college course
2021-03-02T17:24:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> he used to work as a signalling engineer with the army here
2021-03-02T17:24:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> and one of his pieces of issued equipment was an S-100 box lmao
2021-03-02T17:26:06 #kisslinux <kiedtl> had to look that up lol
2021-03-02T17:33:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> fucking powersurges
2021-03-02T17:35:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> testuser_[m]: this x264 bug with ksh and x264 are annoying
2021-03-02T17:35:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> s/are/is/
2021-03-02T17:35:13 #kisslinux <kissbot> <dilyn> testuser_[m]: this x264 bug with ksh and x264 is annoying
2021-03-02T17:35:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> endian failure?
2021-03-02T17:35:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> no
2021-03-02T17:35:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> a syntax error
2021-03-02T17:35:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> hrm
2021-03-02T17:35:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> there's an errant ( showing up for some reason, but there's no good reason afaict
2021-03-02T17:36:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> weird
2021-03-02T17:38:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> the best part is it's erroring at some script which just dumps stdin to an array and makes a has
2021-03-02T17:38:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> hash*
2021-03-02T17:38:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> http://ix.io/2Rr6
2021-03-02T17:38:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> called by this:
2021-03-02T17:38:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> common/oclobj.h: common/opencl/x264-cl.h $(wildcard $(SRCPATH)/common/opencl/*.cl)
2021-03-02T17:38:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> cat $^ | $(SRCPATH)/tools/cltostr.sh $@
2021-03-02T17:39:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> in the makefile
2021-03-02T17:39:57 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> lol you're still chasing that issue
2021-03-02T17:40:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean if we're patching x264 to not use bash we might as well go all the way
2021-03-02T17:40:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> plus this script has the SPECIFIC /bin/sh shebang so YOU'D THINK it'd work >=| it'd be at least a patch they'd accept
2021-03-02T17:42:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://yyyyyyy.info/
2021-03-02T17:42:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> man this site is a trip
2021-03-02T17:43:13 #kisslinux * dilyn cringes in geocities
2021-03-02T17:43:27 #kisslinux <acheam> oh my
2021-03-02T17:44:59 #kisslinux <acheam> i've got to start converting all my old scripts to POSIX...
2021-03-02T17:45:32 #kisslinux <acheam> bash is comfy, but now i'm using kiss more and more its a no go
2021-03-02T17:48:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> http://0x0.st/-Khk.png
2021-03-02T17:48:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is the kind of quality content I strive to discover every day
2021-03-02T17:50:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> you're on that weird part of the internet that made me buy a macbook in 2014 dog
2021-03-02T17:50:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> actually this is pretty normal for me
2021-03-02T17:51:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> the part of the internet that made you buy a macbook in 2014 was starbucks' application form
2021-03-02T17:52:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> hey i got that job in 2018!
2021-03-02T17:52:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> silence
2021-03-02T18:14:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> odd thing about this script testuser is one of } isn't closing the dump function
2021-03-02T18:16:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> when I change what sh IS the brace vim thinks is closing dump() { exists, but is the wrong one
2021-03-02T18:16:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> what the fsck
2021-03-02T18:16:58 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> lol
2021-03-02T18:17:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> but i thought vim was supposed to be super based and unixpilled
2021-03-02T18:17:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> but shellcheck says it's all fine so who knows
2021-03-02T18:21:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't want to file a bug report for a project that uses vcs but doesn't even do tags or releases smh
2021-03-02T18:21:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> x264 building is a mess in general
2021-03-02T18:21:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> it never works out for me
2021-03-02T18:22:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-02T18:22:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> well okay like
2021-03-02T18:22:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's always something it complains about
2021-03-02T18:22:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it's stupid
2021-03-02T18:25:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> I really just want it to not exist xD
2021-03-02T18:26:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> that would be ideal
2021-03-02T18:29:25 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> hello everyone
2021-03-02T18:29:42 #kisslinux <ctb0> howdy
2021-03-02T18:30:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> Yo
2021-03-02T18:32:26 #kisslinux <acheam> heya nxghtmvrx
2021-03-02T18:37:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> hello hello
2021-03-02T18:38:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> man, I need like
2021-03-02T18:38:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> a harness
2021-03-02T18:38:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> to prevent myself from leaning sideways in my chair out of habit
2021-03-02T18:38:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> or something
2021-03-02T18:38:51 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> get one of those exercise balls
2021-03-02T18:38:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> ew gross
2021-03-02T18:38:59 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> lean sideways -> fall on butt
2021-03-02T18:39:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm not giving up my comfy 1960s armchair
2021-03-02T18:42:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://github.com/froggey/Mezzano
2021-03-02T18:42:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> friendship ended with linux, mezzano best friend now
2021-03-02T18:46:39 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I have a question to those of you more experienced in compiling kernel. My tty resolution is always low like 800x600 and i couldn't change it by manually setting framebuffer rows/cols or adding right drivers for both framebuffer gpu and graphics/gpu. After I added graphics gpu driver and recompiled kernel it froze on boot(I guess at graphics
2021-03-02T18:46:39 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> initiation). I am sure that this is right driver that I was using on other distros fine and my EDID is not broken because it works fine on void-musl. Any suggestions?
2021-03-02T18:46:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> check firmware
2021-03-02T18:47:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you have a driver loaded but it can't load the firmware blobs then it'll "freeze"
2021-03-02T18:47:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> but you should still have network and keyboard access to the machine
2021-03-02T18:47:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> so just log in like usual, output dmesg to a file, boot into a live distro, and grep the dmesg log for "firmware"
2021-03-02T18:52:51 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> thanks, I'll try
2021-03-02T18:54:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah I'd almost certainly place the blame on something firmware related with your gpu
2021-03-02T18:54:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> normally I just compile the firmware straight into the kernel along with all my drivers
2021-03-02T18:54:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> if you haven't, give this a gloss https://k1ss.net/wiki/kernel/firmware
2021-03-02T18:54:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> iirc it depends on the card
2021-03-02T18:55:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> some play nice, others don't
2021-03-02T18:55:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> idk
2021-03-02T18:55:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> as long as it's not a novideo card...
2021-03-02T18:57:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> 1) use nouveau
2021-03-02T18:57:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> 2) kill self
2021-03-02T18:57:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> ez
2021-03-02T18:57:41 #kisslinux <vulpine> is kiss-community going to maintain dylanaraps' other projects like his window manager?
2021-03-02T18:57:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> just kys tbh
2021-03-02T18:57:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> and i don't know about that
2021-03-02T18:58:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> afaik KISS is just focused on KISS
2021-03-02T18:58:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> ultimately it comes down to mister big shot himself
2021-03-02T18:59:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> anyway brb
2021-03-02T19:04:36 #kisslinux <kiedtl> vulpine: That would be difficult. While dylan has made his vision and roadmap for kiss clear on his blog/website, that's mostly not the case for his other projects.
2021-03-02T19:04:54 #kisslinux <kiedtl> And yes, KISS is just focused on KISS.
2021-03-02T19:05:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> I am neither clever enough, proficient with X, nor interested in maintaining sowm :v
2021-03-02T19:06:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> while keeping things like eiwd up to date would be wonderful, I'm also not that good
2021-03-02T19:06:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> maybe one day, but that's not on my docket
2021-03-02T19:07:35 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I wonder about his other project, such as the pure-*-bible and *fetch.
2021-03-02T19:07:49 #kisslinux <kiedtl> konimex: Just curious, are you maintaining neofetch rn?
2021-03-02T19:10:10 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i think he had SOWM pretty much where he wanted it. He had mentioned wanting to rewrite it using XCB ("SOWM2": https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/hzxe3i/sowm_oo/fzlrrb2/) but I don't think he ever got SOWM2 to a point where he released it?
2021-03-02T19:10:29 #kisslinux <kiedtl> No, it's still a PR
2021-03-02T19:10:50 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> anyways, I took that SOWM2 effort to be implying he was done with SOWM
2021-03-02T19:11:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> afaik sowm2 could launch and draw windows but that was basically it? it was a goal I would've liked to see tho
2021-03-02T19:11:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> I hate *fetch scripts :S
2021-03-02T19:11:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> konimex have fun with all the 'add xyz os pl0x'
2021-03-02T19:13:24 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Ah, the "Add ponyos" issue
2021-03-02T19:16:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> ponyo was a good movie
2021-03-02T19:16:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> anyway have you guys ever had issues with your timezone?
2021-03-02T19:16:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> mine is set to the correct TZ and tzdata is installed properly, but it's showing up five hours slow on my machine
2021-03-02T19:17:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> same setup works fine on my laptop, mind
2021-03-02T19:17:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> and RTC is set properly in the BIOS
2021-03-02T19:17:25 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i haven't, no. well, other than it choosing US/New_York even when EST is available
2021-03-02T19:18:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> computer y u do this
2021-03-02T19:18:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> please just do the needful
2021-03-02T19:18:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> >:V
2021-03-02T19:18:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> speaking of computers not doing things that they should be
2021-03-02T19:19:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> have you guys ever run into a problem on glibc machines with a missing /usr/include/bits/posix.h?
2021-03-02T19:19:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> my musl laptop has it and it's provided by the eponymous lib so...
2021-03-02T19:20:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> as a failsafe for timezone stuff you could always just export TZ=EST or w/e
2021-03-02T19:20:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's not recommended but... :v
2021-03-02T19:20:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> well I kinda need it to be accurate lmao
2021-03-02T19:20:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> my computer is my primary timekeeping device
2021-03-02T19:21:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> and being five hours late isn't my idea of ideal
2021-03-02T19:21:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah EST is even worse
2021-03-02T19:21:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> six hours late
2021-03-02T19:23:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> you could manually set the date
2021-03-02T19:23:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> that... eh
2021-03-02T19:23:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> these are all bad suggestions lmfao
2021-03-02T19:24:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> it'd be another line in my xsession file
2021-03-02T19:24:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> and as we all know
2021-03-02T19:24:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> bytes are bloat
2021-03-02T19:24:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> not to mention my shrc
2021-03-02T19:24:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> and yes
2021-03-02T19:24:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> when they're redundant >:V
2021-03-02T19:24:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> i wouldn't expect a KDE user to understand
2021-03-02T19:25:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> bruh kde will take it on itself to set my time
2021-03-02T19:25:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> hate that shit
2021-03-02T19:25:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> just use xclock
2021-03-02T19:25:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> come home
2021-03-02T19:25:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> reject modernity, embrace tradition
2021-03-02T19:25:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> etc
2021-03-02T19:25:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> tradition?
2021-03-02T19:25:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> wayland is almost old enough to drive a car dog
2021-03-02T19:25:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> xorg is old enough to be your dad
2021-03-02T19:25:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> probably
2021-03-02T19:26:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> pretty soon it'll be downright octogenarian
2021-03-02T19:26:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> whoa hey you're using words that aren't in my /etc/dictionary
2021-03-02T19:26:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> gotta dumb it down man
2021-03-02T19:27:01 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> reject modernity for me is framebuffer only mode, not these x/wayland things
2021-03-02T19:27:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> >graphics
2021-03-02T19:27:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> just use a typewriter as the patriarchs intended
2021-03-02T19:27:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...actually that would be pretty aesthetic
2021-03-02T19:27:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe I should build a teletypewriter
2021-03-02T19:28:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> no
2021-03-02T19:28:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> Yes
2021-03-02T19:28:33 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Just use paper and pen then. No need to maintain typewriter
2021-03-02T19:28:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> what does $(date) report your type as? are you using anything like ntpd that would fuck with it?
2021-03-02T19:28:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> >thinking I would use a daemon to set time
2021-03-02T19:29:06 #kisslinux * dilyn shrugs
2021-03-02T19:29:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's just an env var in my /etc/profile.d
2021-03-02T19:29:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> are you *gasp* le dual booting
2021-03-02T19:29:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is sourced by /etc/profile
2021-03-02T19:29:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> ew no
2021-03-02T19:29:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm a purist
2021-03-02T19:29:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> gtfo
2021-03-02T19:29:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> also why would you use a subshell to run date
2021-03-02T19:29:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> pretty sure those inherit env vars from the main shell
2021-03-02T19:30:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> either way it prints the same as my xclock
2021-03-02T19:30:20 #kisslinux <dilyn27> a little rude of chromium to do that but ok
2021-03-02T19:30:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> holy fuck there's 27 dylins now
2021-03-02T19:30:45 #kisslinux <dilyn27> I just meant to run date smh don't be absurd
2021-03-02T19:30:48 #kisslinux <acheam> that's what happens when you use a browser client lol
2021-03-02T19:30:55 #kisslinux <dilyn27> #fax
2021-03-02T19:31:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> >don't be absurd
2021-03-02T19:31:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't use subshell syntax >:V
2021-03-02T19:31:04 #kisslinux <dilyn27> also what happens when you use shared libs and update nss
2021-03-02T19:31:10 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> vulpine: fwiw, xwm is very similar to sowm but written using the XCB protocol. i decided to write my own since there hadn’t been any updates to sowm2 for a while.
2021-03-02T19:31:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> uhhh
2021-03-02T19:31:24 #kisslinux <dilyn27> you'd be surprised how many people can't parse a line and determine what part is code to be ran and what part isn't...
2021-03-02T19:31:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't even think I have anything that uses nss
2021-03-02T19:31:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah I don't
2021-03-02T19:31:55 #kisslinux <dilyn27> just chromium :v but they have been 'wanting to transition away from it' since at least 2017, so maybe in fifteen years
2021-03-02T19:32:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> use pale moon nerd
2021-03-02T19:32:24 #kisslinux <dilyn27> I meant what does date print lad i don't care about consistency I want to know what you expect versus what you get :v
2021-03-02T19:32:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> well I expect it to tell me it's half past three
2021-03-02T19:32:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> instead it's telling me that it's quarter to nine
2021-03-02T19:32:53 #kisslinux <dilyn27> the whole line you fool
2021-03-02T19:32:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> PM and AM respectively
2021-03-02T19:32:59 #kisslinux * midfavila eyerolls
2021-03-02T19:33:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> Tue Mar 2 08:47:54 AST 2021
2021-03-02T19:33:07 #kisslinux <dilyn27> well i don't know where you live!
2021-03-02T19:33:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> there you go professor
2021-03-02T19:33:27 #kisslinux <kiedtl> there there, children
2021-03-02T19:33:30 #kisslinux <dilyn27> lol
2021-03-02T19:33:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> can recursion solve this problem? :thinking:
2021-03-02T19:34:00 #kisslinux <dilyn27> we have to go deeper
2021-03-02T19:34:09 #kisslinux <dilyn27> why use profile.d and not /etc/timezone /etc/localtime?
2021-03-02T19:34:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> because I just don't do that
2021-03-02T19:34:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> no reason for me to
2021-03-02T19:34:34 #kisslinux <dilyn27> i mean
2021-03-02T19:34:38 #kisslinux <dilyn27> your time would be accurate
2021-03-02T19:34:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> this same setup works on my laptop
2021-03-02T19:34:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> so I don't know why it wouldn't work here
2021-03-02T19:37:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> so just for shits and giggles
2021-03-02T19:37:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> did a fresh install of tzdata
2021-03-02T19:37:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> linked my timezone to /etc/timezone
2021-03-02T19:38:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> logged out, logged in, made sure /etc/localtime was set properly, all that
2021-03-02T19:38:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> still the same problem
2021-03-02T19:38:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> hrm
2021-03-02T19:38:56 #kisslinux <dilyn27> did it ever work?
2021-03-02T19:39:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes
2021-03-02T19:39:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it currently works on my laptop
2021-03-02T19:39:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> so I'm not sure what's up with this system
2021-03-02T19:39:20 #kisslinux <dilyn27> whatdid you change when it stopped working!
2021-03-02T19:39:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> literally nothing
2021-03-02T19:39:28 #kisslinux <dilyn27> mess about with rtc in the kernel?
2021-03-02T19:39:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> i rebooted
2021-03-02T19:39:32 #kisslinux <dilyn27> delete your cmos?
2021-03-02T19:39:34 #kisslinux <dilyn27> eat a sock?
2021-03-02T19:39:34 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> ehm i recall something that timezone package changed format recently
2021-03-02T19:39:44 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> an older version might work
2021-03-02T19:39:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> like it was working last night, I had to reboot this morning, and then it started displaying the wrong time
2021-03-02T19:39:59 #kisslinux <dilyn27> https://developers.redhat.com/blog/2020/12/25/2020-time-zone-database-tzdata-changes/
2021-03-02T19:40:18 #kisslinux <dilyn27> ?
2021-03-02T19:40:22 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> yeah
2021-03-02T19:40:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah if that's it it wouldn't be the problem
2021-03-02T19:40:29 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i use tzcode/data from 2018
2021-03-02T19:40:34 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> that works well enuff
2021-03-02T19:41:39 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> or did some SJW's demand recently that timezone needs to be changed to accomodate for some minority demands
2021-03-02T19:41:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> well I guess I can just do some arithmetic in my tz file to adjust the date...
2021-03-02T19:41:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> but not ideal
2021-03-02T19:41:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> and i mean considering it's red hat I wouldn't be surprised
2021-03-02T19:42:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh wait a sec
2021-03-02T19:42:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> according to date's manpage UTC time is set differently than normal time
2021-03-02T19:42:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> so if the UTC is set differently than local that would explain the oddity
2021-03-02T19:43:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> you're lucky this time, poettering
2021-03-02T19:43:12 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> any opsec-aware hacker uses UTC everywhere anyway
2021-03-02T19:43:20 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> so his local TZ doesnt leak
2021-03-02T19:43:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh no you have my timezone
2021-03-02T19:43:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> good luck finding me in the second largest country on the planet
2021-03-02T19:43:54 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> too late for midfavila, now we know he lives somewhere in Greenlnand
2021-03-02T19:44:01 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> that would be china, or brasil ?
2021-03-02T19:44:07 #kisslinux * midfavila cackles
2021-03-02T19:44:15 #kisslinux <dilyn27> gotim
2021-03-02T19:44:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> fear my power
2021-03-02T19:44:20 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> goyim
2021-03-02T19:44:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> for my timezone data is FUCKED, even when it's correct
2021-03-02T19:44:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've never once had somebody correctly guess my location based on my tzdata
2021-03-02T19:44:50 #kisslinux <dilyn27> do people play this game?
2021-03-02T19:44:58 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> browsers do
2021-03-02T19:45:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> ^
2021-03-02T19:45:04 #kisslinux <dilyn27> f
2021-03-02T19:45:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> muh ess ess ell
2021-03-02T19:45:21 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> they can extract your local tz, effectively allowing them to figure out your location even when you use a proxy
2021-03-02T19:45:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> again my area's tz is super weird
2021-03-02T19:45:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> so you'd need more than just time and date to figure it out
2021-03-02T19:46:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> i call it "security through what the fuck am I looking at"
2021-03-02T19:47:13 #kisslinux <dilyn27> do you live in that part of arizona that doesn't have dst
2021-03-02T19:47:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes I do
2021-03-02T19:47:29 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> security through obscurity is under-rated
2021-03-02T19:47:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm an american
2021-03-02T19:47:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh this isn't obscurity
2021-03-02T19:47:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is literally just
2021-03-02T19:47:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> pure what-the-fuck-ism
2021-03-02T19:48:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> i legitimately doubt even most intermediate linux users would be able to work with my setup
2021-03-02T19:48:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> whether that's good or bad or both or neither I leave up to you
2021-03-02T19:49:42 #kisslinux <dilyn27> 2 leet 2 furious
2021-03-02T19:49:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> blech, not even
2021-03-02T19:50:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've dealt with "le ebic 1337 hackermen" before
2021-03-02T19:50:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> not even like kali script kiddies, actually competent people
2021-03-02T19:50:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> but my god their egos were so massive it wasn't even funny
2021-03-02T19:50:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> like congrats you have a specialized skill.
2021-03-02T19:50:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> shut the fuck up
2021-03-02T19:50:45 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> and i doubt even the nsa could hack my browser even if its full of vulns. my distro has 10 different gcc versions, 10 versions of libtiff, etc etc effectively they have no clue what my binary pointer addrs are
2021-03-02T19:51:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> see that's what I mean
2021-03-02T19:51:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> the source is available
2021-03-02T19:51:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> it might even be vulnerable and have exploits
2021-03-02T19:51:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> but through pure "random chance" introduced by the decisions of the end user, your ability to attack effectively drops dramatically
2021-03-02T19:52:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> (random chance isn't really "random" here, but functionally the user's choices serve as a "salt"? I dunno the right terms here)
2021-03-02T19:53:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yeah minimalism combined with proper software review and rigorous administration policy is the way to go I think
2021-03-02T19:53:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> because one thing I've seen a lot of security "experts" say is that "oh well open source projects are no more secure" and they act like that's a gotcha
2021-03-02T19:54:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> like no fucking shit a license doesn't make anything more secure
2021-03-02T19:54:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> but if you're using software for a critical application that's so large and complex you aren't capable of auditing it... maybe that's a good indicator you shouldn't use it
2021-03-02T19:54:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> idk what the fuck do I know I'm just an opinionated teenager
2021-03-02T19:54:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> on that note I have to go get ready to grab some groceries
2021-03-02T19:54:50 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://ranum.com/security/computer_security/papers/a1-firewall/index.html
2021-03-02T19:55:01 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> get one of these firewalls and you're good to go
2021-03-02T20:15:40 #kisslinux <dilyn27> man y'all would flip if you knew i worked for the NSA huh
2021-03-02T20:16:50 #kisslinux <kiedtl> you... you do?
2021-03-02T20:17:57 #kisslinux <dilyn27> I couldn't tell you if I did :v
2021-03-02T20:18:37 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i'd be more upset if you worked for red hat tbh
2021-03-02T20:19:02 #kisslinux <dilyn27> lmfao
2021-03-02T20:19:33 #kisslinux <kiedtl> or *hold nose* microshuft
2021-03-02T20:22:11 #kisslinux <dilyn27> I imagine if I worked for either I wouldn't be allowed to contribute to this project
2021-03-02T20:22:24 #kisslinux <dilyn27> Or at least not in a way that I would be okay with
2021-03-02T20:22:27 #kisslinux <dilyn27> but that PaY
2021-03-02T20:22:29 #kisslinux <dilyn27> and the PENSION
2021-03-02T20:22:32 #kisslinux <dilyn27> mmmmmfff
2021-03-02T20:22:55 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> nah, they'd just make you push systemd and flatpaks/snaps on us every day
2021-03-02T20:24:39 #kisslinux <dilyn27> lol
2021-03-02T20:24:53 #kisslinux <dilyn27> 'yes but have you tried wsl2 it's better than linux'
2021-03-02T20:25:13 #kisslinux <kiedtl> They'd make you show off your hardened fork of the kernel
2021-03-02T20:25:25 #kisslinux <kiedtl> for, you know, security conscious folks
2021-03-02T23:25:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> i have returned from my grocery shopping
2021-03-02T23:25:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> and i have acquired
2021-03-02T23:26:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> b i g k n i f e
2021-03-02T23:26:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> otherwise known as a 1917 remington bayonet
2021-03-02T23:40:46 #kisslinux <ctb0> what grocer sells bayonets?
2021-03-02T23:41:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> sadly none in my area
2021-03-02T23:41:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I stop by pawn and thrift stores when I go out
2021-03-02T23:41:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> and happened to find the bayonet while I was looking around
2021-03-02T23:42:12 #kisslinux <ctb0> sounds likea good use of your neetbux
2021-03-02T23:42:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> hey, never know when we're gonna have a mad max scenario
2021-03-02T23:43:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> alternatively it looks really cool hanging on my wall
2021-03-02T23:44:23 #kisslinux <ctb0> pawn shops in my area only seem to have old electronics, lawnmowers, and jewelry
2021-03-02T23:45:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> mine are mostly old vidya, clothes, and tools
2021-03-02T23:45:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> but now and again you find some *really* cool stuff
2021-03-02T23:45:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> like a century-old bayonet in almost perfect condition
2021-03-02T23:49:50 #kisslinux <ctb0> did canada participate in wwi? maybe that is why it is in perfect condition
2021-03-02T23:50:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah we participated in WWI
2021-03-02T23:50:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> like, a fuck ton
2021-03-02T23:50:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> it was one of the moments that made canada really stand out as its own nation
2021-03-02T23:50:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> at the time we were still relatively young as a country
2021-03-02T23:56:54 #kisslinux <ctb0> https://0x0.st/-PsK.jpg
2021-03-02T23:57:04 #kisslinux <ctb0> pretty neat canadian wwi propaganda poster
2021-03-02T23:57:49 #kisslinux <konimex> kiedtl: no, I no longer maintain neofetch
2021-03-02T23:58:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> wartime posters are cool
2021-03-02T23:58:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> my local community center has a few of them available for viewing
2021-03-02T23:58:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> one of them talks about contributing to local "victory gardens"
2021-03-02T23:59:00 #kisslinux <acheam> what kind of maintaining does neofetch even need?
2021-03-02T23:59:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9c/INF3-96_Food_Production_Dig_for_Victory_Artist_Peter_Fraser.jpg
2021-03-02T23:59:18 #kisslinux <ctb0> new ascii art i suppose
2021-03-02T23:59:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's one of these available