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2021-03-01T00:05:01 #kisslinux <howdyyall> thanks necromansy. for whatever reason i thought my wireless card was intel 2021-03-01T00:05:11 #kisslinux <necromansy> no worries 2021-03-01T00:51:19 #kisslinux <necromansy> hello there 2021-03-01T00:53:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> hihihello 2021-03-01T00:53:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm like, really annoyed by this libinput update ngl 2021-03-01T00:53:39 #kisslinux <necromansy> whats it done? 2021-03-01T00:54:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> i've never had issues typing with a trackpad before, but now my fucking hands keep APPARENTLY gliding across it so it randomly clicks and moves my cursor 2021-03-01T00:54:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> and I can't hold down both shift keys at the same time >=| 2021-03-01T00:54:34 #kisslinux <necromansy> thefuck 2021-03-01T00:54:44 #kisslinux <necromansy> ive not been able to get my trackpad working 2021-03-01T01:03:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> f 2021-03-01T01:03:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> sometimes I forget I say this shit lmfao "Google gNoogle gUgle" thanks acheam 2021-03-01T01:07:12 #kisslinux <acheam> lol 2021-03-01T01:07:30 #kisslinux <acheam> you say the most funny stuff of anybody in this channel, so I have a feeling it will mostly be you... 2021-03-01T01:10:29 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol lol 2021-03-01T01:10:52 #kisslinux <kiedtl> If more off-topic discussion happened here I'd consider setting up a quote bot 2021-03-01T01:22:19 #kisslinux <sad_plan> dylin: when trying to update, using signature verification, it breaks due to some unsigned commit. I tried to look for it, but Ive cant seem to find it. im sure theres a search function for you to use so you could look for it 2021-03-01T01:22:27 #kisslinux <sad_plan> commit is 30a78c48 2021-03-01T01:22:38 #kisslinux <sad_plan> fatal: Commit 30a78c48 does not have a GPG signature. 2021-03-01T01:23:50 #kisslinux <sad_plan> it does however seems to temporarly work, if I remove the repo from its directory, then git clone it again, it does work. 2021-03-01T01:27:25 #kisslinux <sad_plan> im refering to repo-main btw 2021-03-01T01:27:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> for community? 2021-03-01T01:27:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> ah 2021-03-01T01:27:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> hmm 2021-03-01T01:28:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> especially strange because that particular commit *is* signed 2021-03-01T01:28:28 #kisslinux <sad_plan> that is indeed strange 2021-03-01T01:28:35 #kisslinux <sad_plan> you do however have an unsigned one 2021-03-01T01:28:42 #kisslinux <sad_plan> https://github.com/kiss-community/repo-main/commit/a003725a6d16659579240451511266aac6f52f0c 2021-03-01T01:28:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> dylan explored this issue a lot because it came up FREQUENTLY and he ultimately said it was a git issue, not a kiss issue 2021-03-01T01:28:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah some are unsigned, which is sad :'( 2021-03-01T01:29:11 #kisslinux <sad_plan> is it possible to sign them afterwards though? 2021-03-01T01:29:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> what strange is I don't know how that one WASN'T signed because I configured git to sign every commit 2021-03-01T01:29:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't think so 2021-03-01T01:30:09 #kisslinux <sad_plan> yeah that might be right. I just updated kiss, and started kiss update again, expecting it to fail again, but for some reason now it works again. dunno why.. 2021-03-01T01:30:24 #kisslinux <sad_plan> that is also very strange 2021-03-01T01:30:57 #kisslinux <sad_plan> oh well. perhaps it just is a git issue as dylin said earlier 2021-03-01T01:31:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah. I got so bothered by how finicky it is I just disabled it entirely 2021-03-01T01:32:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> hm extra fun development: my kiss u does NOT exit without a prompt IF the repository itself has an update 2021-03-01T01:32:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> HM. NOPE. it's just totally fixed now. what the fucking hell. 2021-03-01T01:33:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'll just pat myself on the back for a job well done. gooooo me! also probably cem 2021-03-01T01:33:04 #kisslinux <sad_plan> lol 2021-03-01T01:34:13 #kisslinux <sad_plan> also, sometimes kiss doesnt seem to recognize missing deps. I tried to build firefox earlier, but it failed due to me missing nodejs. for some reason it didnt install it the first time i tried for whatever reason. this has happened to me before aswell iirc 2021-03-01T01:34:26 #kisslinux <sad_plan> brb 2021-03-01T01:34:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> known issue, unknown cause :'( 2021-03-01T01:34:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's been a problem for many many months 2021-03-01T01:43:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> I hate shared libraries. don't update libxkbcommon when hikari is running smh 2021-03-01T01:54:29 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ah ok 2021-03-01T01:54:45 #kisslinux <sad_plan> I couldnt even get hikari to build. not even with their tar.xz file 2021-03-01T01:54:47 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ 2021-03-01T01:55:07 #kisslinux <sad_plan> cant recall the error at the top of my head though 2021-03-01T01:58:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> maybe it's because you didn't have pam installed 2021-03-01T01:59:22 #kisslinux <sad_plan> perhaps. there was no error on missing pam though. ill check again once im done updating 2021-03-01T01:59:54 #kisslinux <sad_plan> I dont belive I have pam either. as I never installed it myself anyway. so yeah, that might be the case 2021-03-01T02:02:34 #kisslinux <noocsharp> anyone know if librewolf has been packaged by anyone? 2021-03-01T02:05:29 #kisslinux <sad_plan> not to my knowledge. not seen it being mentioned here anyway. but its basiclly firefox. so id assume its rather straight forward with the already existing buildscript for firefox 2021-03-01T02:19:04 #kisslinux <acheam> lol my awk implementation of fortune is faster than fortune itself 2021-03-01T02:19:24 #kisslinux <acheam> and it isn't even optimized at all 2021-03-01T02:19:49 #kisslinux <noocsharp> acheam: you motivated me to finally add an rss feed to my site 2021-03-01T02:19:54 #kisslinux <acheam> yay! 2021-03-01T02:19:58 #kisslinux <acheam> whats the URL? 2021-03-01T02:21:08 #kisslinux <noocsharp> https://nihaljere.xyz/words/atom.xml 2021-03-01T02:21:39 #kisslinux <acheam> consider including the content of the post in it 2021-03-01T02:21:48 #kisslinux <acheam> like this 2021-03-01T02:21:50 #kisslinux <acheam> https://armaanb.net/feed 2021-03-01T02:22:25 #kisslinux <noocsharp> one day 2021-03-01T02:22:37 #kisslinux <acheam> how are you generating it? It shouldn't be much work at all to add 2021-03-01T02:23:39 #kisslinux <noocsharp> shell script, not a question of effort, a question of motivation 2021-03-01T02:25:05 #kisslinux <acheam> the motivation is that its inconvinient to your readers :) Although any RSS feed is infinitely better than none 2021-03-01T02:25:09 #kisslinux <acheam> i've added it to me reader 2021-03-01T02:25:13 #kisslinux <acheam> s/me/my 2021-03-01T02:25:45 #kisslinux <noocsharp> my motivation, not general motivation 2021-03-01T02:26:03 #kisslinux <acheam> why are we motivated to do anything if not to appease others? 2021-03-01T02:26:49 #kisslinux <acheam> I know that's BS, I just felt like being philosophical 2021-03-01T02:26:53 #kisslinux <noocsharp> dont be gettin philosophical on me 2021-03-01T02:27:03 #kisslinux <acheam> its too late 2021-03-01T02:27:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> alright who set the song of the day 2021-03-01T02:27:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> b& 2021-03-01T02:29:05 #kisslinux <acheam> ehr 2021-03-01T02:29:09 #kisslinux <acheam> idk how to use irc 2021-03-01T02:29:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> :c 2021-03-01T02:30:22 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm not authorized to change the topic? 2021-03-01T02:30:25 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm a channel op... 2021-03-01T02:30:45 #kisslinux <acheam> anyways, see the new song I put there 2021-03-01T02:53:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> gemini got a new bdfl 2021-03-01T02:56:40 #kisslinux <ctb0> who Sundar Pichai? 2021-03-01T02:56:54 #kisslinux <ctb0> 0.o 2021-03-01T02:57:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> sean conner 2021-03-01T02:57:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> apparently a long-time advocate. should be fun 2021-03-01T02:58:13 #kisslinux <ctb0> what is the favicon stuff going on on gemini? 2021-03-01T02:58:26 #kisslinux <ctb0> i was just reading a bit about it, but i feel like i'm coming in in the middle 2021-03-01T03:17:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/005468.html 2021-03-01T03:17:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> drew devault strikes again lmfaoooo 2021-03-01T03:18:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> the gemini mailing list is fun to read if only because you get to see how absolutely putrid and vitriolic some people our types of communities can be 2021-03-01T03:25:55 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi 2021-03-01T03:37:02 #kisslinux <acheam> I stay off of the gemini ML 2021-03-01T03:37:19 #kisslinux <acheam> the IRC channel is dramatic enough for me 2021-03-01T03:37:59 #kisslinux <acheam> ddevaults behavior was certainly not pleasant throughout this, even though I am on his side on this issue 2021-03-01T03:38:11 #kisslinux <acheam> good morning, testuser_[m] 2021-03-01T03:46:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> hola testuser 2021-03-01T03:46:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean ddevault isn't technically wrong, he just seems dramatic most of the time 2021-03-01T03:47:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> I guess you've gotta respect people that cling so closely to their convictions 2021-03-01T03:47:36 #kisslinux <acheam> i mean, he threatned to block clients that request a favicon from all of his server software 2021-03-01T03:47:47 #kisslinux <acheam> and he provides lots of Gemini hosting now, with pages.sr.ht 2021-03-01T03:48:04 #kisslinux <acheam> so its a bit more than dramatic 2021-03-01T03:48:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> the power of a monopoly 2021-03-01T03:48:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> isn't this literally the thing we try to escape lmao 2021-03-01T03:48:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> de facto bdfl in a way 2021-03-01T03:48:56 #kisslinux <acheam> idk... I don't even spend that much time on Gemini 2021-03-01T03:49:12 #kisslinux <acheam> I mirror my content there, but don't ever browse myself 2021-03-01T04:32:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> Just accidentally discovered that btm can display a process tree, not just a list of processes 2021-03-01T04:32:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> awesome 2021-03-01T05:26:26 #kisslinux <konimex> ah... so I missed the void post about switching back to openssl, that's why there's a talk about openssl on kiss yesterday 2021-03-01T05:28:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> my favorite part was when they said qt5 was heavily patched for libressl support and their patch is like, forty lines 2021-03-01T05:28:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> they work harder for zip ffs lmao 2021-03-01T05:28:52 #kisslinux <konimex> as for me, I'll just wait for openssl 3.0.0 and libressl's reaction to that, the whole debacle seems like ffmpeg-libav situation anyway 2021-03-01T05:55:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> hng 2021-03-01T05:55:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://github.com/kiss-community/wiki/pull/5 2021-03-01T05:55:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> kernel page when 2021-03-01T06:01:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://github.com/kiss-community/wiki/pull/6 2021-03-01T06:02:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> u gon' lurn 2021-03-01T06:02:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> gngn 2021-03-01T06:11:50 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice 2021-03-01T07:27:00 #kisslinux <merakor> dilyn: Replace 'set -ef' with 'set -efx' on kiss's main() function and send me the logs, I'll take a look at it for the fix. 2021-03-01T07:27:35 #kisslinux <merakor> If the problem persists, that is 2021-03-01T07:47:28 #kisslinux <travankor> no new sotd? 2021-03-01T07:51:15 #kisslinux <travankor> tfw channel ops have one job to do and still screw it up :p 2021-03-01T10:27:16 #kisslinux <necromansy> that amfora issue thread was spicy, heck 2021-03-01T10:38:58 #kisslinux <travankor> konimex: openssl 3.0 has an incompatible license with libressl 2021-03-01T10:39:27 #kisslinux <travankor> although obsd is in the same situation wrt clang/llvm 2021-03-01T10:39:39 #kisslinux <danteissias> i've been working on my bearssl rootfs and it seems that gnupg1 doesn't depend on libre/openssl it can work fine without it 2021-03-01T10:40:25 #kisslinux <travankor> gnupg has it's own library 2021-03-01T10:40:32 #kisslinux <travankor> iirc 2021-03-01T10:41:15 #kisslinux <konimex> <travankor "konimex: openssl 3.0 has an inco"> I'm not too concerned with license tbf 2021-03-01T10:41:31 #kisslinux <konimex> as long as it's FOSS anything goes 2021-03-01T10:42:12 #kisslinux <travankor> i mean to say openssl 3.0 is designed to be incompatible with openbsd, the developers of libressl 2021-03-01T10:42:26 #kisslinux <danteissias> https://termbin.com/yi90 - its working just fine in a chroot without any trace of libressl, should we update the depends file in the repos to reflect this? 2021-03-01T10:42:56 #kisslinux <konimex> <travankor " i mean to say openssl 3.0 is de"> well good thing we're not on openbsd 2021-03-01T10:43:53 #kisslinux <travankor> well, if libressl isn't compatible with the openssl API then it's use-case is sort of moot, no? 2021-03-01T10:47:12 #kisslinux <konimex> yeah, and I fear new programs will only use OpenSSL 3.0.0+ APIs, effectively leaving Libre behind 2021-03-01T10:48:29 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> what will obsd do ? when programs start using different apis 2021-03-01T10:48:30 #kisslinux <konimex> and then there's the TLS 1.3 thing too 2021-03-01T10:50:32 #kisslinux <travankor> testuser_[m]: obsd will most likely drop that software (or stick to an outdated version) :p 2021-03-01T12:05:05 #kisslinux <aws> test 2021-03-01T12:49:21 #kisslinux <kiedtl> test failed 2021-03-01T12:49:36 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice 2021-03-01T12:52:29 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: sorry, apparently you need the +t flag set on chanserv's access list before you can change the topic 2021-03-01T13:12:23 #kisslinux <merakor> danteissias: Yeah, neither does gnupg2. Carbs had been using bearssl for quite a while. 2021-03-01T13:25:54 #kisslinux <raph_ael> kiss repos are dead (ie idling for months) ? 2021-03-01T13:26:07 #kisslinux <konimex> oh boy you missed quite a lot 2021-03-01T13:26:08 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> github.com/kiss-community 2021-03-01T13:26:12 #kisslinux <necromansy> ^^^ 2021-03-01T13:27:19 #kisslinux <raph_ael> konimex: quite yes :) 2021-03-01T13:27:21 #kisslinux <raph_ael> thanks 2021-03-01T13:27:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> Morning, guys 2021-03-01T13:27:45 #kisslinux <necromansy> heyo 2021-03-01T13:28:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> can someone let dilyn know that you can prevent cursor movement while typing with xinput set-prop btw 2021-03-01T13:28:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...wait he uses wayland 2021-03-01T13:28:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> never mind 2021-03-01T13:28:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao 2021-03-01T13:28:50 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao 2021-03-01T13:29:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> totally ready for prod guise 2021-03-01T13:30:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> that reminds me I need to read more about configuring the X.Org server... 2021-03-01T13:30:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> would be nice to not have to include piles of xinput statements in my .xsession 2021-03-01T13:41:22 #kisslinux <travankor> ayyland is the futureā¢ 2021-03-01T13:41:34 #kisslinux <travankor> IBM Redhat certified 2021-03-01T13:41:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only thing that wayland has in common with the future is that we never reach it, but it's always just in front of us 2021-03-01T13:42:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> just like nvidia drivers not being shit on loonix 2021-03-01T13:43:10 #kisslinux <travankor> so basically vaporware 2021-03-01T13:43:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least vaporware doesn't pretend it exists 2021-03-01T13:45:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> shit even my friends that use le GNU's Not UNIX Network Object Model Environment and Krashing Desktop Environment prefer using it with X.Org 2021-03-01T13:48:25 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> travankor lmao i now petition Arcan to be renamed Ayyyland, and for it to become the default display server for KISS 2021-03-01T13:48:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> >not Xenocara 2021-03-01T13:49:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> absolutely cringe 2021-03-01T13:49:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh god 2021-03-01T13:49:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> one of the envs for arcan is safespaces 2021-03-01T13:49:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> :V 2021-03-01T13:50:22 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks, kiedtl 2021-03-01T13:52:00 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i played with durden briefly but i'm not big brained enough to really know how to utilize it 2021-03-01T13:52:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> Hmm. I'm thinking I might spend today packaging GNUMeric and AbiWord... 2021-03-01T13:52:19 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> he made a plan9 style WM as well: https://github.com/letoram/prio 2021-03-01T13:52:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, saw that listed on the void wiki 2021-03-01T13:52:36 #kisslinux <necromansy> is GNUmeric a fucking numerical computation library? 2021-03-01T13:52:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> no it's s spreadsheet lmoa 2021-03-01T13:52:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> s/lmoa/lmao 2021-03-01T13:53:01 #kisslinux <necromansy> omg 2021-03-01T13:53:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> What? 2021-03-01T13:53:32 #kisslinux <necromansy> would haev been a perfect numerical comp library name 2021-03-01T13:53:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> probably 2021-03-01T13:53:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I'm being honest the GNU project has way too much cruft... 2021-03-01T13:53:56 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah it does 2021-03-01T13:53:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> like 2021-03-01T13:54:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> GNU literally has three different spreadsheets 2021-03-01T13:54:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you ignore the fact that EMACS probably has a spreadsheet 2021-03-01T13:54:23 #kisslinux <necromansy> i was literally about to say 2021-03-01T13:54:30 #kisslinux <necromansy> "I imagine emacs has one too" 2021-03-01T13:54:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> one's ncurses, another is xaw/motif, and then gnumeric is gtk+ 2021-03-01T13:54:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> like 2021-03-01T13:55:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> just add GTK support to the existing graphical spreadsheet 2021-03-01T13:55:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> and then have that just use the command line program as a backend 2021-03-01T13:55:24 #kisslinux <necromansy> its literally what they do with gnuplot ffs 2021-03-01T13:55:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> basically turn the ncurses program into a library, then provide interfaces 2021-03-01T13:55:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm not much of a programmer but that seems like a pretty basic thing to do to me 2021-03-01T13:56:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> tbh I don't even think many people outside of GNOME users use a lot of GNU software 2021-03-01T13:57:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> sure you've got the userland and the c library and the toolchain and whatnot, all very important 2021-03-01T13:57:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> but there are a lot of alternative distros that don't rely on any of that, save the toolchain 2021-03-01T13:57:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> and let's be real, if you're not the kind of person to actually care about your userland, you probably just use GUI programs 2021-03-01T13:57:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> or you're a """""""""professional""""""""" 2021-03-01T13:58:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> and you probably use like, ubuntu or fedora or some shit 2021-03-01T14:03:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> exciting news for you laptop junkies https://frame.work/ 2021-03-01T14:03:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh my god 2021-03-01T14:03:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> is that what I think it is 2021-03-01T14:03:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> based on the URL? 2021-03-01T14:04:23 #kisslinux <necromansy> i swear a "modular replaceable" laptop comes up every couple of years or so 2021-03-01T14:04:24 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao 2021-03-01T14:04:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> it should have stayed the standard >:c 2021-03-01T14:04:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> bring back mid-late 90s laptop design 2021-03-01T14:05:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> also if they don't have a better keyboard than - eugh - chiclet, I'm not interested 2021-03-01T14:05:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> gross. 2021-03-01T14:05:48 #kisslinux <necromansy> i *want* to say that id use it as an actual laptop 2021-03-01T14:05:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay yeah never mind 2021-03-01T14:05:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is stupid 2021-03-01T14:05:56 #kisslinux <necromansy> but im pre glued to my desk 2021-03-01T14:06:04 #kisslinux <necromansy> so itd be a workstation and id just use my ortho keeb 2021-03-01T14:06:05 #kisslinux <necromansy> lel 2021-03-01T14:06:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> it uses USB-C as the "expansion" bus 2021-03-01T14:06:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I'm shelling out money for a modular laptop I'm just going to get the MNT Reform 2021-03-01T14:07:05 #kisslinux <necromansy> at least its functionally USB-C 2021-03-01T14:07:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least that isn't stuck on shintel and doesn't rely on first-party modules 2021-03-01T14:07:16 #kisslinux <necromansy> and not "usb-c with usb-a 3.1 functionality" 2021-03-01T14:07:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe I'm a boomer but I don't get why USB-C exists 2021-03-01T14:08:02 #kisslinux <necromansy> an attempt to universalise connections i think 2021-03-01T14:08:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> "OH WOW I CAN PUT IT IN BOTH WAYS THIS TOTALLY JUSTIFIES LOSING BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY WITH EVERYTHING FROM THE PAST TWENTY-FIVE YEARS11!11!1!1!1!11" 2021-03-01T14:08:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> like fuck off 2021-03-01T14:08:28 #kisslinux <necromansy> but until its adopted as the major thing the lack of backwards compat is a heavy loss 2021-03-01T14:08:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> mmh. 2021-03-01T14:09:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> if the only thing I can use with it is the latest paperweight applel or samsung have shit out, i don't really care 2021-03-01T14:09:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> also wow 2021-03-01T14:09:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> >privacy focused laptop 2021-03-01T14:09:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> >includes non-removeable mic and webcam 2021-03-01T14:09:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> big pass 2021-03-01T14:11:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> real chads just use RS-232 for everything 2021-03-01T14:13:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> anyways, eggs-n-bacon time 2021-03-01T14:13:31 #kisslinux <kiedtl> what does privacy focused even mean for that laptop 2021-03-01T14:13:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> Buzzword:tm: 2021-03-01T14:13:56 #kisslinux <kiedtl> also have those idiots ever heard of the thinkad 2021-03-01T14:13:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's corp-speak for "give us your money, idiot" 2021-03-01T14:13:59 #kisslinux <kiedtl> *thinkpad 2021-03-01T14:14:02 #kisslinux <necromansy> really that you can hardware shutter the mic and webcam 2021-03-01T14:14:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't care 2021-03-01T14:14:08 #kisslinux <kiedtl> mhm 2021-03-01T14:14:12 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah i know 2021-03-01T14:14:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> if it's included then it's a problem 2021-03-01T14:14:17 #kisslinux <necromansy> im just stating it plainly 2021-03-01T14:14:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> like I can just tape over the camera 2021-03-01T14:14:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> but 2021-03-01T14:14:36 #kisslinux <kiedtl> the mic... 2021-03-01T14:14:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> it'd be a lot more peace-of-mind to just tear it out 2021-03-01T14:14:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh the mic you can't do shit about short of cutting its connection 2021-03-01T14:14:53 #kisslinux <necromansy> you can shutter *both* on this kiedtl 2021-03-01T14:15:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can get rid of both on any decent laptop with a screwdriver and a maintenance manual 2021-03-01T14:15:08 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I dont' understand what shuttering the mic means though 2021-03-01T14:15:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> probably cutting power 2021-03-01T14:15:18 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah 2021-03-01T14:15:22 #kisslinux <necromansy> id imagine so 2021-03-01T14:15:22 #kisslinux <kiedtl> huh 2021-03-01T14:15:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> but again 2021-03-01T14:15:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> just get a laptop doesn't include (shitty) internal multimedia tools 2021-03-01T14:15:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> and use external tools via 3.5mm 2021-03-01T14:15:45 #kisslinux <kiedtl> 'shuttering' is an awkward way to describe it 2021-03-01T14:15:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> as terry intended 2021-03-01T14:15:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> otherwise your opinion is dumb 2021-03-01T14:16:00 #kisslinux <necromansy> just install a distro that doesnt support the drivers :P 2021-03-01T14:16:07 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah shuttering was a poor choice of words on my end 2021-03-01T14:16:11 #kisslinux <kiedtl> the first thing it made me think of is putting a thin bit of plastic over the mic or something lol 2021-03-01T14:16:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> my tinfoil-hatting is immune to your suggestions, necromansy 2021-03-01T14:16:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> short of physically removing it, idc 2021-03-01T14:16:34 #kisslinux <necromansy> well ofc, conspiracy nuts are never reasonable :P 2021-03-01T14:16:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay wow I wouldn't go that far lmao 2021-03-01T14:16:53 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao 2021-03-01T14:17:01 #kisslinux <necromansy> i just be jabbing 2021-03-01T14:17:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> fr though if you want a laptop that *actually* aims for privacy and modularity 2021-03-01T14:17:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> MNT Reform is much better 2021-03-01T14:17:22 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> wait did someone buy k1ss.org 2021-03-01T14:17:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> no 2021-03-01T14:17:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> it expired 2021-03-01T14:17:30 #kisslinux <necromansy> ill have a geeze at it 2021-03-01T14:17:37 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> It looks like someone did 2021-03-01T14:17:41 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> cuz it expires in 2022 now 2021-03-01T14:17:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> gonna run a whois 2021-03-01T14:18:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...and it's broken. wtf 2021-03-01T14:18:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> add that to the list for today 2021-03-01T14:18:20 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> Just another manic monday! 2021-03-01T14:18:33 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> weird, some site says it expires on feb 14 2021, other one says 2022 2021-03-01T14:18:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> and now the domain doesn't show that parkingcrew thing 2021-03-01T14:19:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> There have been conflicting answers to the question of when it expires :S 2021-03-01T14:19:05 #kisslinux <necromansy> depends if you use http or https 2021-03-01T14:19:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> I certainly hope no one bought it 2021-03-01T14:19:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> whois doesn't provide an expiry date 2021-03-01T14:19:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh wait 2021-03-01T14:19:22 #kisslinux <necromansy> http bounces to NameCrew parking space 2021-03-01T14:19:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> ran it again, 2022 2021-03-01T14:19:32 #kisslinux <necromansy> bruh wat 2021-03-01T14:19:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> http gives me a 403, https can't connect 2021-03-01T14:19:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> weird 2021-03-01T14:19:59 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> the site which now says 2022 earlier said 2021 so... 2021-03-01T14:20:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, fuck 2021-03-01T14:20:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's something else we'll have to figure out I guess 2021-03-01T14:20:41 #kisslinux <midfavila1> anyway switching to laptop 2021-03-01T14:20:50 #kisslinux <midfavila1> should probably adjust my IRC nicks to reflect that 2021-03-01T14:21:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://www.whois.com/whois/k1ss.org "status: auto renew period" 2021-03-01T14:21:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> who knows what that even means tho tbh 2021-03-01T14:22:12 #kisslinux <midfavila1> in the process of auto-renewal would be my guess 2021-03-01T14:22:15 #kisslinux <necromansy> iunno, sounds like an auto-renew subscription 2021-03-01T14:22:15 #kisslinux * midfavila1 shrugs 2021-03-01T14:22:49 #kisslinux <jedavies> MNT Reform looks interesting, but seems expensive for what it is. Pinebook Pro has faster cpus and is $200 compared to the MNT's $1500 2021-03-01T14:23:32 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> i almost bid on k1ss.org last night. hmā¦ 2021-03-01T14:24:15 #kisslinux <midfavila1> don't get me wrong the reform is a total ripoff if you're looking for a laptop that can do everything 2021-03-01T14:24:31 #kisslinux <midfavila1> you're paying a lot more for the platform and the ideas than the hardware at this point 2021-03-01T14:25:02 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but there's potentially a RISC-V board down the line, and it'd be really easy to, say, wire up a big ol' eInk panel to it 2021-03-01T14:25:07 #kisslinux <midfavila1> which would be fhsdhfasbjgklsdfhugiasdlfiasdogfhasdi 2021-03-01T14:25:10 #kisslinux <jedavies> Also their comparison table is wrong, the pbp doesn't need blobs to use the display. 2021-03-01T14:27:01 #kisslinux <midfavila1> that I didn't know. I don't follow pine64 too closely 2021-03-01T14:29:21 #kisslinux <jedavies> Onboard wifi needs a blob, and if you're using DP out over usb-c you need another one. 2021-03-01T14:30:22 #kisslinux <midfavila1> for pbp? 2021-03-01T14:30:47 #kisslinux <jedavies> yeah 2021-03-01T14:31:14 #kisslinux <midfavila1> can the wifi at least be replaced? 2021-03-01T14:34:58 #kisslinux <jedavies> Don't think so. Right now you'd have to use a usb wifi adaptor. They are apparently working on open firmware for that chip though. Not sure how far along that is. 2021-03-01T14:35:06 #kisslinux <midfavila1> hm 2021-03-01T14:35:12 #kisslinux <midfavila1> well. hopefully their firmware works out 2021-03-01T14:36:01 #kisslinux <midfavila1> one sec gotta cut up an onion 2021-03-01T14:36:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> is that a euphemism 2021-03-01T14:46:16 #kisslinux <midfavila1> no 2021-03-01T14:46:23 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i'm making breakfast and literally had to cut an onion 2021-03-01T14:46:35 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i also broke some eggs and minced ham 2021-03-01T14:47:51 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: namecheap holds the domain for 30 days after it expires 2021-03-01T14:48:00 #kisslinux <acheam> thats what its in right now I think 2021-03-01T14:48:14 #kisslinux <acheam> mcpcpc[m]: where was it on auction? 2021-03-01T14:48:46 #kisslinux <midfavila1> shadybroker.xyz 2021-03-01T14:49:01 #kisslinux <acheam> frame.work sounds cool, but you are still reliant on their limited parts, unlike an old thinkpad, which you can throw tons of readily available parts into 2021-03-01T14:49:19 #kisslinux <midfavila1> (or reform which is literally just off-the-shelf) 2021-03-01T14:52:14 #kisslinux <midfavila1> honestly though there's no good reason for modular laptops to not have been a thing for at least a decade and a half at this point 2021-03-01T14:52:25 #kisslinux <acheam> right, it doesn't have to be something special 2021-03-01T14:52:34 #kisslinux <acheam> just a laptop without soldered on parts is fine for me 2021-03-01T14:52:44 #kisslinux * midfavila1 nods 2021-03-01T14:53:00 #kisslinux <midfavila1> just provide maintenance manuals for your shit, don't use specialized components, and don't solder shit 2021-03-01T14:53:08 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and stop fetishizing "muh thin and light" 2021-03-01T14:53:25 #kisslinux * acheam is typing this on a computer advertised as being "thin and light" 2021-03-01T14:53:38 #kisslinux <acheam> but yeah, my priorities have changed since I bought my current electronics 2021-03-01T14:53:40 #kisslinux <midfavila1> you aren't going to collapse under the weight of a thousand suns if your laptop is more than an inch or two thick 2021-03-01T14:54:25 #kisslinux <midfavila1> now don't get me wrong 2021-03-01T14:54:30 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i'm not against compact designs 2021-03-01T14:54:36 #kisslinux <midfavila1> in fact I refuse to buy laptops larger than 12.1" 2021-03-01T14:54:50 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but you can still include fucktons of modularity in compact designs 2021-03-01T14:54:55 #kisslinux <midfavila1> my laptop is a prime example 2021-03-01T14:54:57 #kisslinux <acheam> but it is harder 2021-03-01T14:55:02 #kisslinux <midfavila1> not really 2021-03-01T14:55:04 #kisslinux <acheam> okay we get it, you have a toughbook :) 2021-03-01T14:55:05 #kisslinux <midfavila1> build vertically 2021-03-01T14:55:13 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and no I need to drive the point home a little more I think 2021-03-01T14:55:23 #kisslinux * midfavila1 flexes on acheam 2021-03-01T14:56:18 #kisslinux <midfavila1> ...i just realized something 2021-03-01T14:56:31 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i turned on the wrong burner and that's why my eggs haven't been cooking for five minutes 2021-03-01T14:56:42 #kisslinux <acheam> how do you not realize that... 2021-03-01T14:57:10 #kisslinux <midfavila1> because my oven is shit and doesn't have the burner knobs sorted proprerly 2021-03-01T14:57:16 #kisslinux <midfavila1> properly* 2021-03-01T14:57:29 #kisslinux <acheam> I meant from not noticing that the eggs aren't cooking sooner 2021-03-01T14:57:40 #kisslinux <midfavila1> no ofc I knew they weren't cooking 2021-03-01T14:57:55 #kisslinux <midfavila1> I was just like "hmmm sure is taking an awful long time for these eggs to cook considering the pan is already hot" 2021-03-01T14:58:00 #kisslinux <midfavila1> lo and behold, pan was not, in fact, hot 2021-03-01T14:58:05 #kisslinux <acheam> ah lol 2021-03-01T14:58:08 #kisslinux <midfavila1> only the handle 2021-03-01T14:58:14 #kisslinux <midfavila1> which nearly burned my hand 2021-03-01T14:58:15 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> acheam: never bid on a domain before, but the message on namecheap was different last night than now. basically implied that the domain could be available i could put in an offer.. idk. wanted to look into it more this morning. 2021-03-01T14:58:36 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> * acheam: never bid on a domain before, but the message on namecheap was different last night than now. basically implied that the domain could be available and* i could put in an offer.. idk. wanted to look into it more this morning. 2021-03-01T14:59:02 #kisslinux <konimex> someone already put a bid on k1ss.org perhaps? 2021-03-01T14:59:05 #kisslinux <midfavila1> Hopefully domain squatters didn't steal it 2021-03-01T14:59:34 #kisslinux <acheam> oh, I see that. I don't think thats an actual for sale thing, but rather, you pay them money, and then they try and contact the domain owner for you 2021-03-01T14:59:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> I will rage 2021-03-01T14:59:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> and we will go back to the good old days of being the goatpiss organization 2021-03-01T14:59:50 #kisslinux <acheam> https://i.imgur.com/GCPeUbX.png 2021-03-01T14:59:56 #kisslinux <acheam> is what you're talking about? 2021-03-01T15:00:01 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i mean hey goats are pretty good 2021-03-01T15:00:24 #kisslinux <konimex> also, USB-C is also pretty goddamn neat, I can charge my laptop with my phone charger now 2021-03-01T15:00:29 #kisslinux <acheam> ^ 2021-03-01T15:00:41 #kisslinux <acheam> also, charging while outputting video is p cool 2021-03-01T15:00:46 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i'd rather not sacrifice IO when I have to charge my machine thanks 2021-03-01T15:01:04 #kisslinux <acheam> I charge via a dongle. I actually get more IO when I charge :) 2021-03-01T15:01:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol 2021-03-01T15:01:21 #kisslinux <midfavila1> okay fair enough 2021-03-01T15:01:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> if you didn't want to sacrifice things you wouldn't get a laptop 2021-03-01T15:01:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> the whole idea behind laptops is compromise 2021-03-01T15:01:36 #kisslinux <konimex> hear hear 2021-03-01T15:01:38 #kisslinux <midfavila1> absolutely 2021-03-01T15:01:44 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and that's why I have a balls-to-the-wall workstation 2021-03-01T15:01:55 #kisslinux <midfavila1> which is what handles anything remotely difficult 2021-03-01T15:01:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> I want my balls on the wall :( 2021-03-01T15:02:03 #kisslinux <midfavila1> laptop is just for gathering data and mobile communication 2021-03-01T15:02:08 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it's a "mobile thin client" 2021-03-01T15:02:50 #kisslinux <acheam> tell that to the person who develops a linux distrobution on just a laptop 2021-03-01T15:03:19 #kisslinux <midfavila1> no offense to dylan but shell isn't the most intensive language to develop 2021-03-01T15:03:24 #kisslinux <midfavila1> develop in* 2021-03-01T15:03:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> i dunno man reading those LOCs on a <14" screen is a small kind of hell 2021-03-01T15:03:53 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i use a 12" and it's fine 2021-03-01T15:03:58 #kisslinux <midfavila1> dunno what you're talking about 2021-03-01T15:04:01 #kisslinux <acheam> having a good WM helps 2021-03-01T15:04:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> You must have binocular eyes 2021-03-01T15:04:09 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> didn't dylan get an i9 pc gifted ? 2021-03-01T15:04:21 #kisslinux <midfavila1> actually I have extremely poor vision lmao 2021-03-01T15:04:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah he did 2021-03-01T15:04:35 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i just haven't fallen for muh high dpi 2021-03-01T15:04:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> what happened to it 2021-03-01T15:05:12 #kisslinux <midfavila1> who knows 2021-03-01T15:05:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'd assume it's with dylan 2021-03-01T15:05:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> in a coffin or on a boat, who knows 2021-03-01T15:05:37 #kisslinux <midfavila1> :thinking: 2021-03-01T15:08:55 #kisslinux <midfavila1> aaand just took a frying pan to the head 2021-03-01T15:09:00 #kisslinux <midfavila1> today is not a good day 2021-03-01T15:09:01 #kisslinux <midfavila1> fuck 2021-03-01T15:09:29 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it's the glow in the dark red hatters come to take me out I guess 2021-03-01T15:13:38 #kisslinux <acheam> how does updating git packages work? 2021-03-01T15:13:44 #kisslinux <acheam> do I just bump the relver? 2021-03-01T15:13:57 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> yeah 2021-03-01T15:14:13 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks 2021-03-01T15:14:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's one thing I need to remember to do 2021-03-01T15:15:30 #kisslinux <acheam> my fortune implementation for kiss is here if anyone is interested 2021-03-01T15:15:32 #kisslinux <acheam> https://git.sr.ht/~armaan/kiss-repo/tree/main/item/fortune 2021-03-01T15:15:51 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> did i mention that sabotage's package manager butch started as a C program, then ended up being converted to a POSIX shell script due to ease of maintenance/hacking? 2021-03-01T15:16:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> no, you didn't, but that's cool 2021-03-01T15:16:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> shell is so underestimated it's not even funny 2021-03-01T15:16:34 #kisslinux <acheam> huh I never heard of it before 2021-03-01T15:16:40 #kisslinux <acheam> ehr, how is it different than KISS? 2021-03-01T15:16:41 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> my feeling is that if k is one day gonna be completed, the same will happen :) 2021-03-01T15:17:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> kiss becomes k becomes kiss 2021-03-01T15:17:09 #kisslinux <acheam> nvm I just read the website, it is a bit different 2021-03-01T15:17:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> the araps cycle 2021-03-01T15:17:14 #kisslinux <acheam> lol 2021-03-01T15:18:12 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> a package manager really is an ever moving target, and when you can try out ideas quickly it's a huge plus 2021-03-01T15:18:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> k will never be the default as long as I'm alive :v 2021-03-01T15:18:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> gotta remember to close my IRC client next time I put the laptop in hibernation 2021-03-01T15:18:18 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> are fortunes supposed to be so ranrom 2021-03-01T15:18:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> and yes 2021-03-01T15:18:22 #kisslinux <acheam> yes 2021-03-01T15:18:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> fortunes are extremely random 2021-03-01T15:18:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> i wonder if you could use fortune files to salt an encryption cipher 2021-03-01T15:18:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> nobody would ever guess 2021-03-01T15:19:04 #kisslinux <acheam> hmmmmmm 2021-03-01T15:19:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> you could use any block of text for that purpose really 2021-03-01T15:19:43 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> wait does the fortune program select a random line from that file 2021-03-01T15:19:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes 2021-03-01T15:20:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> or at least it does afaik 2021-03-01T15:20:05 #kisslinux <kiedtl> cool, kiss has its own fortune file 2021-03-01T15:20:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> entires are delimited and it randomly chooses one 2021-03-01T15:20:11 #kisslinux <kiedtl> inspired by void linux I assume? 2021-03-01T15:20:12 #kisslinux <acheam> yep 2021-03-01T15:20:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> neat 2021-03-01T15:20:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've actually never used void 2021-03-01T15:20:20 #kisslinux <acheam> to everything above 2021-03-01T15:20:31 #kisslinux <acheam> lots of distros have one actually 2021-03-01T15:20:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> slackware does 2021-03-01T15:20:38 #kisslinux * testuser_[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/EsNDHlCUjfyLZhUzIVxcuJby/message.txt > 2021-03-01T15:20:43 #kisslinux <acheam> void, debian, arch, slackware, etc 2021-03-01T15:20:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> it also bullies you for sudo'ing wrong 2021-03-01T15:20:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is great 2021-03-01T15:21:38 #kisslinux <acheam> just add "Defaults instults" to your sudoers file to do that 2021-03-01T15:21:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't need sudo to yell at me too :( 2021-03-01T15:21:57 #kisslinux <acheam> not that many people use sudo on kiss 2021-03-01T15:22:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's okay dilyn I can yell at you instead 2021-03-01T15:22:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> thanks dad 2021-03-01T15:22:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> ya winning, son? 2021-03-01T15:22:30 #kisslinux <acheam> lol testuser_[m] 2021-03-01T15:22:31 #kisslinux <kiedtl> new fortune entry, acheam 2021-03-01T15:23:19 #kisslinux <acheam> added :) 2021-03-01T15:23:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> if my biggest contribution to this project is a bunch of fucking meme quotes i swear to god 2021-03-01T15:23:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> hey it's okay 2021-03-01T15:23:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's my biggest contribution 2021-03-01T15:23:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> probably 2021-03-01T15:23:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> for now 2021-03-01T15:23:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> :tm: 2021-03-01T15:23:49 #kisslinux <acheam> and... added 2021-03-01T15:24:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> inb4 relver is 99 before end of day 2021-03-01T15:24:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> Nah I've got too many meetings today for that to happen :v 2021-03-01T15:25:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'll have to shift into maximum overdrive then 2021-03-01T15:25:33 #kisslinux <acheam> woah sabotage linux has 1249 packages 2021-03-01T15:25:52 #kisslinux <acheam> most of them haven't been updated in years though 2021-03-01T15:26:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> that is like baby 2021-03-01T15:26:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> behold, SMGL 2021-03-01T15:26:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> probably like over 3000, most of which likely haven't been touched in over a decade 2021-03-01T15:26:52 #kisslinux <acheam> we're better than that 2021-03-01T15:26:56 #kisslinux <acheam> we have a graveyard 2021-03-01T15:27:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> we lay our dead to REST 2021-03-01T15:27:05 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> How does this single ataraxia dude keep 1200 packages up to date 2021-03-01T15:27:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> probably lots of automation 2021-03-01T15:27:13 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://repology.org/repository/ataraxia 2021-03-01T15:27:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> or he's a neet 2021-03-01T15:27:26 #kisslinux <acheam> holy 2021-03-01T15:27:39 #kisslinux <acheam> they probably automatically get updates from arch or void or something 2021-03-01T15:27:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> I should probably get my packages in line with repology 2021-03-01T15:30:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> >tfw I have to open a second browser to check some shitty KYM article 2021-03-01T15:30:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> the absolute state of the modern web 2021-03-01T15:31:44 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Y'all should take a look at Scoop's automatic package updating system 2021-03-01T15:32:02 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Last time I checked, there was something like 1k packages and all of them were up to date 2021-03-01T15:32:14 #kisslinux <kiedtl> https://github.com/lukesampson/scoop-extras 2021-03-01T15:32:25 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Also there was maybe 2 maintainers 2021-03-01T15:33:12 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I mean, yes, the whole auto-update script is one giant hack but, well, it's remarkably efficient 2021-03-01T15:33:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> where is it 2021-03-01T15:33:43 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> the script 2021-03-01T15:33:52 #kisslinux <kiedtl> uhh 2021-03-01T15:34:14 #kisslinux <kiedtl> "Last time I checked" == 2 years ago, and the project was undergoing a huge refactoring frenzy then 2021-03-01T15:34:20 #kisslinux * kiedtl digs 2021-03-01T15:35:15 #kisslinux <kiedtl> found it 2021-03-01T15:35:32 #kisslinux <kiedtl> https://github.com/lukesampson/scoop, file bin/checkver.ps1 and bin/checkurl.ps1 2021-03-01T15:35:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> ps1? 2021-03-01T15:35:53 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Yes, Scoop is written in PowerShell 2021-03-01T15:36:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> ohgodno 2021-03-01T15:36:05 #kisslinux <kiedtl> it's a Windows package manager, written by a Unix nerd 2021-03-01T15:36:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> gonna go wash my eyes with bleach 2021-03-01T15:36:35 #kisslinux <kiedtl> or, was written, a bunch of Windows fanatics are now maintaining it :< 2021-03-01T15:36:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> did you know there are like 2021-03-01T15:36:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> people who use powershell 2021-03-01T15:36:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> but on linux 2021-03-01T15:36:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> i love windows package manager names lmao 2021-03-01T15:37:03 #kisslinux <kiedtl> scoop buckets 2021-03-01T15:37:15 #kisslinux <kiedtl> it's a travesty that chocoletey's packages are called bars instead 2021-03-01T15:37:36 #kisslinux <kiedtl> midfavila: what? where? and where's my coil of rope? 2021-03-01T15:37:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...what else would you call them? 2021-03-01T15:37:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> and there's a telegram gruop for it 2021-03-01T15:37:50 #kisslinux <kiedtl> *not called bars 2021-03-01T15:38:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> powershell users on linux is what it's called, I think 2021-03-01T15:38:11 #kisslinux <kiedtl> the bastards 2021-03-01T15:38:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> they're all cringe MCSA types anyway 2021-03-01T15:38:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> where's that koan about MCSAs... 2021-03-01T15:39:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/unix-koans/mcse.html 2021-03-01T15:39:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> mcse but whatever 2021-03-01T15:41:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol 2021-03-01T15:42:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> my college course has a section on MCSE crap that I'm supposed to be taking rn 2021-03-01T15:42:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> but like 2021-03-01T15:42:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> no 2021-03-01T15:42:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> go away, redmond 2021-03-01T15:42:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> i just want a comfy unix admin job 2021-03-01T16:00:28 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> <acheam> woah sabotage linux has 1249 packages 2021-03-01T16:00:28 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> <acheam> most of them haven't been updated in years though 2021-03-01T16:00:39 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> yeah, i value stability more than being on bleeding edge 2021-03-01T16:01:06 #kisslinux <acheam> I mean, not being updated in years is more than not being on the leeding edge, its neglect 2021-03-01T16:01:20 #kisslinux <acheam> you can have old package versions, but they need to stay patched and secure 2021-03-01T16:01:25 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> since about 1 out of 3 package update brings some sort of regression... there's only so much a single dude can do to keep stuff working 2021-03-01T16:01:26 #kisslinux <acheam> see Debian 2021-03-01T16:01:56 #kisslinux <acheam> the solution? Have less packages. 2021-03-01T16:02:05 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> well, security... if you can actually exploit any CVE issue on my pc i give you a medal 2021-03-01T16:02:35 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> why? because it's impossible to know which combination of package version and CFLAGS i used 2021-03-01T16:03:06 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> and to exploit a vuln you need to know some fixed addresses 2021-03-01T16:03:28 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> it's easy for debian and ubuntu where everybody and his dog use the same binaries 2021-03-01T16:04:25 #kisslinux <acheam> their version of firefox is 2 years old, no matter how you build it, thats a pretty major issue 2021-03-01T16:04:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> well yeah but no bigger an issue than the web in general 2021-03-01T16:04:54 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> yeah, because we (or i) use palemoon now 2021-03-01T16:05:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> holy fucking based 2021-03-01T16:05:06 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> firefox is just left in there in case somebody needs it 2021-03-01T16:05:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> brb switching to sabaton 2021-03-01T16:05:10 #kisslinux <acheam> so drop firefox then 2021-03-01T16:05:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> sabayon 2021-03-01T16:05:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> w/e 2021-03-01T16:05:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> sabotage 2021-03-01T16:05:24 #kisslinux * midfavila facedesks 2021-03-01T16:05:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> can users manage their own packages? 2021-03-01T16:05:30 #kisslinux <acheam> imo if you can't keep it updated, then it shouldn't be in the repo 2021-03-01T16:05:34 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> sure 2021-03-01T16:05:34 #kisslinux <acheam> like how KISS does it 2021-03-01T16:05:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> then there's no real issue 2021-03-01T16:05:56 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> it's an issue if you want to use the program 2021-03-01T16:06:08 #kisslinux <acheam> so should kiss merge repo-graveyard back into repo-commmuntiy by that logic? 2021-03-01T16:06:35 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> dunno, it's not my distro 2021-03-01T16:07:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you use pale moon, have you checked out the nuegia browser, btw? 2021-03-01T16:07:19 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> no, it doesn't ring a bell 2021-03-01T16:07:27 #kisslinux <acheam> at it again, with the nuegia stuff lol 2021-03-01T16:07:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's a fork of pale meme without any of the proprietary squigglies that MC and Tobin obsess over 2021-03-01T16:07:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> also runs a lot faster on my machine 2021-03-01T16:08:05 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> thanks, will give it a glance 2021-03-01T16:08:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> lemme grab you the git repo 2021-03-01T16:08:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://git.nuegia.net/webbrowser.git/ 2021-03-01T16:08:55 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> ah, the nameless "webbrowser" 2021-03-01T16:08:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> it doesn't actually have a name, formally, so everyone just calls it the nuegia browser 2021-03-01T16:09:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> personally I think "Nuegia Navigator" would be cool 2021-03-01T16:09:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's not my project 2021-03-01T16:09:34 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> yeah, i've been looking at it but didnt get around to try it out yet 2021-03-01T16:09:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> If you can get it to build against musl, lemme know 2021-03-01T16:10:31 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> acheam, basically my PoV on security is that "if it's a network-interfacing app, then try to stay up-to-date" 2021-03-01T16:10:47 #kisslinux <acheam> right I agree with that 2021-03-01T16:10:54 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> like curl 2021-03-01T16:11:30 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> but it's not like am reading CVE news every day for the 5 users of my distro 2021-03-01T16:11:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> ^ 2021-03-01T16:11:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> also most CVEs are trivial at worst, from what I've seen 2021-03-01T16:12:03 #kisslinux <acheam> curl is out of date on sabotage by a few versions 2021-03-01T16:12:06 #kisslinux <acheam> but yeah I get that 2021-03-01T16:12:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...that and it seems like a lot of "security people" are less competent than they appear, at least in my experience 2021-03-01T16:13:07 #kisslinux <acheam> wget is too 2021-03-01T16:13:09 #kisslinux <acheam> by 2 years 2021-03-01T16:13:22 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> well, wget is standalone, curl a library 2021-03-01T16:13:27 #kisslinux <acheam> and youtube-dl as well 2021-03-01T16:13:32 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> so curl is much more important to stay on top 2021-03-01T16:13:38 #kisslinux <acheam> and it hasn't been 2021-03-01T16:14:02 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> well, as i said, it's mostly only myself using the distro 2021-03-01T16:14:31 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i've had like 2 years where i made almost daily updates, notified by a script 2021-03-01T16:14:42 #kisslinux <acheam> why do you need so may packages then? 2021-03-01T16:14:42 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> didn't bring me any more users, but a lot of work 2021-03-01T16:14:47 #kisslinux <acheam> Drop the ones you're not using 2021-03-01T16:14:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> he might just use them but only from time to time 2021-03-01T16:15:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> i have packages like that 2021-03-01T16:15:05 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> yup 2021-03-01T16:15:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> see: intltool, perl, gettext, etc 2021-03-01T16:15:14 #kisslinux <acheam> lighttpd? 2021-03-01T16:15:26 #kisslinux <acheam> its 3 years out of date which is pretty unnaceptable for a web server 2021-03-01T16:15:34 #kisslinux <acheam> sorry, i've been a bit inflamatory in this discussion 2021-03-01T16:15:34 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> well, some user came, made a PR for it, i merged it, and the user disappeared 2021-03-01T16:15:47 #kisslinux <acheam> it's your distro, manage it how it pleases you 2021-03-01T16:15:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> >not using uhttpd 2021-03-01T16:16:09 #kisslinux <acheam> isn't that the openwrt one? 2021-03-01T16:16:09 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> at least the existing recipe helps easily updating it in most cases 2021-03-01T16:16:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> openwrt uses it yeah 2021-03-01T16:16:17 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> drop a new url and sha512, and it builds 2021-03-01T16:16:28 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> (unless they switched to fscking meson meanwhile :) 2021-03-01T16:16:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> but build system of the week is great 2021-03-01T16:17:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> >link shortener 2021-03-01T16:17:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> man it's so difficult to guess what this song wil lbe 2021-03-01T16:17:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> will be* 2021-03-01T16:17:58 #kisslinux <acheam> how would you ever know? 2021-03-01T16:18:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> this song MUST CHANGE 2021-03-01T16:18:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao 2021-03-01T16:18:25 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> also you should put url to community repo in topic imo 2021-03-01T16:18:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> did you seriously fall for that dilyn 2021-03-01T16:18:39 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I did lol 2021-03-01T16:18:45 #kisslinux <acheam> hehe 2021-03-01T16:18:52 #kisslinux <kiedtl> It looked like the fortune file link from yesterday 2021-03-01T16:18:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's time we go back- b a c k- b a c k- 2021-03-01T16:19:15 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I thought envs.net only had a pastebin, not a link shortener lmao 2021-03-01T16:19:23 #kisslinux <kiedtl> s/I/I had/ 2021-03-01T16:19:30 #kisslinux <kiedtl> rip kissbot 2021-03-01T16:19:37 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> ye i thought he uploaded the song as a file 2021-03-01T16:19:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> kissbot has been kill for a while 2021-03-01T16:19:49 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> revive it 2021-03-01T16:19:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> my MP is too low 2021-03-01T16:20:01 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I think the netsplit killed it, it's still logged in apparently 2021-03-01T16:20:13 #kisslinux <kiedtl> yup, still online, just not in the channel 2021-03-01T16:20:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> besides you can't cast Raise on characters killed by story events 2021-03-01T16:20:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> everyone who's played final fantasy knows this 2021-03-01T16:21:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> I just want to know what tunes we're reppin' :( 2021-03-01T16:22:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> be glad he didn't link meatspin or something 2021-03-01T16:22:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> jesus 2021-03-01T16:22:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> b& 2021-03-01T16:22:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> :v 2021-03-01T16:22:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> ban me harder 2021-03-01T16:23:15 #kisslinux <kiedtl> +bbb 2021-03-01T16:23:21 #kisslinux <kiedtl> s/bbb/vvv/ 2021-03-01T16:23:23 #kisslinux <kissbot> <kiedtl> +vvv 2021-03-01T16:25:34 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl: like most 0x0 instances, it has a pastebin, url shortner, and file storage 2021-03-01T16:25:42 #kisslinux <acheam> 10/10 service 2021-03-01T16:25:46 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: oh jeez 2021-03-01T16:25:58 #kisslinux <kiedtl> oh, it *is* a 0x0 instance 2021-03-01T16:26:04 #kisslinux * midfavila cackles 2021-03-01T16:26:05 #kisslinux <kiedtl> makes sense 2021-03-01T16:26:23 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah, I use it because of the sweet 2 letter urls 2021-03-01T16:26:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> also midfavila: that is an excellent example of why wayland is tricky ricky 2021-03-01T16:26:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> re trackpad disabling while typing 2021-03-01T16:26:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's handled by the compositor. Hikari has a man page thicker than an encyclopedia... 2021-03-01T16:27:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> gee who could have guessed that handing everything off to the compositor wasn't a great idea 2021-03-01T16:27:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> :thonk: 2021-03-01T16:27:10 #kisslinux <acheam> something something unix philosiphy 2021-03-01T16:27:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> something something changing your keymap with xorg 2021-03-01T16:27:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> something something do I need a xorg.conf 2021-03-01T16:27:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> something something how do i keyboard 2021-03-01T16:27:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> well idk about you but I change my keyboard layout by flashing firmware files 2021-03-01T16:28:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> man turns out i was a cuck the whole time huh 2021-03-01T16:28:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> why didn't I think of that! 2021-03-01T16:28:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> the starbucks and philosophy thing gave it away 2021-03-01T16:28:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> :P 2021-03-01T16:28:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> i bet you use a filthy macbook too 2021-03-01T16:28:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> 2014 baybeeee 2021-03-01T16:28:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> h m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m 2021-03-01T16:30:58 #kisslinux <acheam> should I include the @ prefix in the fortune file? 2021-03-01T16:31:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's harmless 2021-03-01T16:31:44 #kisslinux <acheam> it just makes it a touch confusing to see "<acheam>" in one and then "<@acheam>" in another 2021-03-01T16:31:49 #kisslinux <kiedtl> It doesn't matter really 2021-03-01T16:31:55 #kisslinux <kiedtl> weel 2021-03-01T16:32:09 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I think most users should be fairly familiar with IRC anyway 2021-03-01T16:32:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> just settle on whichever is easier for you 2021-03-01T16:32:17 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah thanks 2021-03-01T16:32:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> as long as it's consistent 2021-03-01T16:32:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> except the matrix heathens ofc 2021-03-01T16:32:31 #kisslinux <acheam> *cough cough* dilyn 2021-03-01T16:32:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah well they don't matter anyway 2021-03-01T16:33:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> Hey I was just trying it out(tm) 2021-03-01T16:33:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> nope 2021-03-01T16:33:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> opinion discarded 2021-03-01T16:33:18 #kisslinux <acheam> if it wasn't that a few key contributors already use matrix i'd support banning matrix connections 2021-03-01T16:33:28 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> :shock: 2021-03-01T16:34:05 #kisslinux <acheam> matrix bridges break irc conventions 2021-03-01T16:34:16 #kisslinux * kiedtl sent a long message 2021-03-01T16:34:33 #kisslinux * acheam sent an image matrix.org/bfweaf9uhr3uhfadihfeui 2021-03-01T16:34:36 #kisslinux <acheam> hey check out this image! 2021-03-01T16:34:38 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hmm 2021-03-01T16:35:04 #kisslinux <acheam> also edited messages like that 2021-03-01T16:35:08 #kisslinux <acheam> * also edited messages like this 2021-03-01T16:35:25 #kisslinux <acheam> and double-sent messages 2021-03-01T16:35:28 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> that sent a long message thing must be annoying 2021-03-01T16:35:28 #kisslinux <acheam> and double-sent messages 2021-03-01T16:35:33 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> cuz you gotta open a link 2021-03-01T16:35:37 #kisslinux <acheam> it doens't happen to often 2021-03-01T16:35:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol 2021-03-01T16:35:42 #kisslinux <acheam> s/to/too 2021-03-01T16:35:44 #kisslinux <kissbot> <acheam> it doens't happen too often 2021-03-01T16:35:48 #kisslinux <acheam> but it is annoying when it does happen 2021-03-01T16:35:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> I just don't think too much about it. Just sort of... mentally discard the artifacts 2021-03-01T16:36:07 #kisslinux <konimex> man I think I'll start intentionally double message to annoy people 2021-03-01T16:36:11 #kisslinux <acheam> that requires a brain 2021-03-01T16:36:24 #kisslinux <acheam> konimex: your bridge already double-messages enough :) 2021-03-01T16:36:51 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> weird, I've never seen double msgs in the log 2021-03-01T16:36:56 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> logbot 2021-03-01T16:37:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> same 2021-03-01T16:37:40 #kisslinux <acheam> oh, and replying to people 2021-03-01T16:37:49 #kisslinux <konimex> no idea, maybe just weird client, old logs indicate nothing from double messages 2021-03-01T16:37:54 #kisslinux <acheam> like this https://freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux/20210301#c7081758 2021-03-01T16:38:10 #kisslinux <acheam> they come like once a day, its not a huge deal 2021-03-01T16:40:30 #kisslinux <konimex> current kiss irc looks more like kiss discord back in the day in terms of "discussion" anyway 2021-03-01T16:40:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> >KISS 2021-03-01T16:40:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> >Dicksword 2021-03-01T16:40:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> what level of heathenism is this 2021-03-01T16:41:02 #kisslinux <konimex> yeah, kiss used to be on discord before dylan moved it into irc 2021-03-01T16:41:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> ew 2021-03-01T16:41:15 #kisslinux <acheam> ^ 2021-03-01T16:41:32 #kisslinux <konimex> too many memers for my liking 2021-03-01T16:41:53 #kisslinux <acheam> if there were more people in this channel, a seperate watercooler channel would make sense, but we're only 65-80 people, so it doesn't really matter whether it gets OT 2021-03-01T16:41:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> s/memers/redditors/ 2021-03-01T16:42:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can have memes and a good time and not be cringe 2021-03-01T16:42:21 #kisslinux <konimex> nah, they use words like "based" and such so pretty much doubt they're redditord 2021-03-01T16:42:28 #kisslinux <konimex> s/redditord/redditors/ 2021-03-01T16:42:30 #kisslinux <kissbot> <konimex> nah, they use words like "based" and such so pretty much doubt they're redditors 2021-03-01T16:42:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck 2021-03-01T16:42:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah I'm not hyper worried about OT chat because the number of participants is so small 2021-03-01T16:42:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> i either agree with you or end up calling myself a redditor 2021-03-01T16:42:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> and it usually flows back and forth consistently pretty well 2021-03-01T16:42:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is worse 2021-03-01T16:43:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> also, irc based af 2021-03-01T16:43:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> also yeah dilyn is right 2021-03-01T16:43:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> on both statements 2021-03-01T16:43:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's only a handful of active users in this room 2021-03-01T16:43:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> so 2021-03-01T16:43:51 #kisslinux <acheam> I don't think i've talked to most people in the nicklist 2021-03-01T16:43:55 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Yeah, I haven't seen the majority of users in here contribute any meaningful discussion 2021-03-01T16:43:58 #kisslinux <acheam> lots of people are IRC squatters 2021-03-01T16:44:14 #kisslinux * kiedtl waves 2021-03-01T16:44:34 #kisslinux <kiedtl> (Not here, but in a bunch of other channels) 2021-03-01T16:44:52 #kisslinux <konimex> kiedtl: tbf "meaningful" means different things depending on the person you're asking to 2021-03-01T16:45:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> meaningful is a stupid qualifier 2021-03-01T16:45:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> development work happens as is needed 2021-03-01T16:45:17 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I mean anything other than "hai repos dead ???" or "my fonts arent working!!" 2021-03-01T16:45:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> as long as off-topic shit doesn't prevent that, who cares 2021-03-01T16:45:40 #kisslinux <acheam> why are all the letters a blank square!??!?!? 2021-03-01T16:45:45 #kisslinux <jslick> I'm just a lurker 2021-03-01T16:45:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> lurkers btfo >:c 2021-03-01T16:46:19 #kisslinux <acheam> heya, jslick 2021-03-01T16:46:27 #kisslinux <acheam> oi midfavila we love our lurkers 2021-03-01T16:46:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> silence jannie 2021-03-01T16:46:38 #kisslinux * jslick waves 2021-03-01T16:47:06 #kisslinux <kiedtl> btw, has there been any effort at gaining ownership of the github kisslinux org? 2021-03-01T16:47:13 #kisslinux <acheam> not to my knowlege 2021-03-01T16:47:20 #kisslinux <acheam> not something I personally want to take on 2021-03-01T16:47:31 #kisslinux <acheam> sounds like a lot of red tape and customer service BS to probably not get anywhere 2021-03-01T16:47:40 #kisslinux <konimex> don't think that will be possible 2021-03-01T16:47:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's also the fact that it's github 2021-03-01T16:47:40 #kisslinux <konimex> looking from the void precedent 2021-03-01T16:47:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> so 2021-03-01T16:47:50 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ? 2021-03-01T16:47:52 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> crack dylan's pw 2021-03-01T16:47:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> personally I still think we should move onto a self-hosted system 2021-03-01T16:47:57 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> dylan123 2021-03-01T16:48:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh shit 2021-03-01T16:48:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> u rite 2021-03-01T16:48:09 #kisslinux <acheam> hunter2 2021-03-01T16:48:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> pa$word 2021-03-01T16:48:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> i got that one from CNN's tech reporters 2021-03-01T16:48:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> those hackers will never figure it out 2021-03-01T16:48:52 #kisslinux <acheam> actually... if we get the k1ss.org domain, we could send a passowrd reset email and use it 2021-03-01T16:48:55 #kisslinux <acheam> but that might be fraud... 2021-03-01T16:49:03 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> hehe 2021-03-01T16:49:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> definitely fraud 2021-03-01T16:49:13 #kisslinux <acheam> hey, its for a good cause 2021-03-01T16:49:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> is it illegal if nobody knows 2021-03-01T16:49:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes but fuck off 2021-03-01T16:49:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> is the correct answer 2021-03-01T16:49:25 #kisslinux <konimex> yeah impersonating dylan, good idea 2021-03-01T16:49:30 #kisslinux <konimex> seriously? 2021-03-01T16:49:32 #kisslinux <acheam> shh keep your voices down, they don't know this is a publically logged channel 2021-03-01T16:49:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> the real question is if github will let us use the domain for the kiss-community org because it's already linked to kisslinux lmfao 2021-03-01T16:49:48 #kisslinux <acheam> should be easy to check 2021-03-01T16:49:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> maybe I can convince them i'm dylan and I just misspelled my name and lied about living in greece 2021-03-01T16:50:01 #kisslinux <acheam> just find some other org and copy their domain 2021-03-01T16:50:06 #kisslinux <acheam> believable 2021-03-01T16:50:10 #kisslinux <konimex> dilyn: the domain just won't be verified iirc 2021-03-01T16:50:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> you're our only hope dilyn 2021-03-01T16:50:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> dilyn ereps, maximum stealth 2021-03-01T16:50:30 #kisslinux <acheam> how do they verify it? DNS? 2021-03-01T16:50:56 #kisslinux <konimex> probably either DNS or a file 2021-03-01T16:51:21 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> so if we own the domain why can't we do that and inform them of what has happened 2021-03-01T16:51:24 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> but its github so... 2021-03-01T16:51:53 #kisslinux <konimex> do you really need that shiny verified status? 2021-03-01T16:52:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> gotta have it 2021-03-01T16:52:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> blue checks are my crack 2021-03-01T16:52:19 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> TM 2021-03-01T16:52:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> the corporate consoomer 2021-03-01T16:53:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> >lives for checks 2021-03-01T16:53:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> >no actual opinions, just copies SNL skits 2021-03-01T16:53:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> >uses MBP 2011 2021-03-01T16:53:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> >drinks vanilla decaff soy lattes 2021-03-01T16:53:22 #kisslinux <kiedtl> so, what's the plan? Are we contacting GitHub support or hacking dylan's account? 2021-03-01T16:53:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> yesn't 2021-03-01T16:53:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> ? 2021-03-01T16:53:32 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Neither 2021-03-01T16:54:00 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Honestly I don't think convincing them to give us kisslinux org is going to be that hard 2021-03-01T16:54:12 #kisslinux <konimex> just keep the status quo, I guess? taking kisslinux back isn't exactly urgent and dylan is practically BDFL of kisslinux (the repo) 2021-03-01T16:54:21 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> it's worth a try 2021-03-01T16:54:24 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ^^ 2021-03-01T16:54:26 #kisslinux <konimex> s/repo/org/ 2021-03-01T16:54:27 #kisslinux <kissbot> <konimex> just keep the status quo, I guess? taking kisslinux back isn't exactly urgent and dylan is practically BDFL of kisslinux (the org) 2021-03-01T16:54:28 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> but github is m$ now, so 2021-03-01T16:54:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't think it matters 2021-03-01T16:54:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> because gh is lame 2021-03-01T16:54:47 #kisslinux <kiedtl> We're using gh rn anyways 2021-03-01T16:54:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it was meant as a backup anyway 2021-03-01T16:54:53 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i've heard customer service really went down hill 2021-03-01T16:54:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> i wonder why 2021-03-01T16:55:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> hmmmmmmm 2021-03-01T16:55:06 #kisslinux <kiedtl> If we use GH we may as well grab the actual org 2021-03-01T16:55:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> solution is to not use gh 2021-03-01T16:55:18 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> your best bet is probably contacting the CEO via a tweet from an account with many followers 2021-03-01T16:55:25 #kisslinux <acheam> lol 2021-03-01T16:55:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> get linus media group to do it 2021-03-01T16:55:29 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> hey @nate we need access to that repo 2021-03-01T16:55:36 #kisslinux <acheam> anthony reviews KISS Linux? 2021-03-01T16:55:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> luke. smith. 2021-03-01T16:55:44 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> :shock: 2021-03-01T16:55:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's gonna happen 2021-03-01T16:55:51 #kisslinux <acheam> distrotube? 2021-03-01T16:55:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> diet luke smith 2021-03-01T16:56:12 #kisslinux <acheam> mental outlaw? 2021-03-01T16:56:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> he's okay 2021-03-01T16:56:21 #kisslinux <konimex> the Void precedent exists though and if dilyn (or anyone else) take over there's that possibility that dilyn disappears 2021-03-01T16:56:32 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> chris titus 2021-03-01T16:56:33 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> lol 2021-03-01T16:56:38 #kisslinux <acheam> I don't think void is a precedent, the context was completely different 2021-03-01T16:56:40 #kisslinux <konimex> don't think it's even worth a try to waste resource on to be honest 2021-03-01T16:56:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> if dilyn is kill then we just elect another bdfl 2021-03-01T16:56:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> they just grow on trees after all 2021-03-01T16:56:52 #kisslinux <acheam> I agree with konimex 2021-03-01T16:56:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> ^ 2021-03-01T16:57:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> can confirm; grew on a willow tree for fifteen years 2021-03-01T16:57:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> >willow 2021-03-01T16:57:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> explains everything 2021-03-01T16:57:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah it's why i cry so much 2021-03-01T16:57:41 #kisslinux <konimex> what different context? xtraeme disappeared one time, voidlinux isn't maintained, duncaen and bunch of other people decided to create void-linux 2021-03-01T16:57:46 #kisslinux <konimex> same thing 2021-03-01T16:58:00 #kisslinux <acheam> xtraeme was hostile 2021-03-01T16:58:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> why couldn't we have an oak bdfl 2021-03-01T16:58:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> smh 2021-03-01T16:58:39 #kisslinux <konimex> that's *after* his kicking out from void-linux 2021-03-01T16:58:46 #kisslinux <konimex> that's the "different context" 2021-03-01T16:59:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't know if it's very apt to compare KISS to most other distros 2021-03-01T16:59:19 #kisslinux <acheam> ^ 2021-03-01T16:59:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean, at its core, KISS is literally just a package manager 2021-03-01T16:59:24 #kisslinux <acheam> void also depends on their leaders 2021-03-01T16:59:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> and a set of ideals 2021-03-01T16:59:26 #kisslinux <acheam> kiss doens't 2021-03-01T16:59:37 #kisslinux <konimex> KISS doesn't use apt so I don't know why you mention it 2021-03-01T16:59:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> apt is a word 2021-03-01T16:59:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> smh 2021-03-01T16:59:46 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> so why don't you just try it, it costs nuthing but an email 2021-03-01T17:00:14 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> if it doesn't work, well, another github account it is 2021-03-01T17:00:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> we already have another git ord 2021-03-01T17:00:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> org* 2021-03-01T17:00:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmfao apt 2021-03-01T17:00:32 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> yeah 2021-03-01T17:00:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> konimex should be our next-in-line bdfl 2021-03-01T17:00:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> switch kiss to apt 2021-03-01T17:00:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't know that getting the github org is actually important tho 2021-03-01T17:01:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's not 2021-03-01T17:01:12 #kisslinux <konimex> like I said, I don't see the point of even trying it 2021-03-01T17:01:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I don't know why we're still focused on it 2021-03-01T17:01:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only real benefit of github is muh hosting 2021-03-01T17:01:32 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> no, it's visibility 2021-03-01T17:01:34 #kisslinux <konimex> who brought up taking over github org anyway 2021-03-01T17:01:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you're interested in kiss you're just going to join the IRC 2021-03-01T17:01:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> or look it up 2021-03-01T17:01:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you're such a brainlet that you look for new distros on github, go away 2021-03-01T17:02:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> like fr 2021-03-01T17:02:15 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> recall the nineties where everyone had his own cool homepage with a couple tarballs of his leet sw projects 2021-03-01T17:02:23 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> pretty hard to get anyone there 2021-03-01T17:02:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> recall literally today where most distros still have their own cool homepages 2021-03-01T17:02:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> "cool" 2021-03-01T17:02:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> and still provide tarballs or packages or whatever through them 2021-03-01T17:03:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm not saying we just wing it or something, but caring about kiss' adoption rates is kinda dumb 2021-03-01T17:03:20 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> today when i look for something i just go to github search 2021-03-01T17:03:40 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> for example "quickjs" to find projects using it 2021-03-01T17:03:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> that sounds like a you thing no offense 2021-03-01T17:04:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol 2021-03-01T17:04:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> everyone so fiesty today 2021-03-01T17:04:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm always fiesty 2021-03-01T17:04:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> but getting smacked in the face by a frying pan and not having cream for my tea made me extra fiesty 2021-03-01T17:04:47 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> sounds like an ubuntu release 2021-03-01T17:04:51 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> fiesty fucker 2021-03-01T17:04:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao 2021-03-01T17:05:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> that should be my project role 2021-03-01T17:05:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> kiss linux/fiesty fucker/midfavila 2021-03-01T17:05:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> perfect 2021-03-01T17:05:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yeah there's that site that indexes UNIX distros 2021-03-01T17:05:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's pretty commonly used for getting info 2021-03-01T17:05:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> and then there's also the fact that a lot of people just go on reddoot 2021-03-01T17:06:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> or some other social media site 2021-03-01T17:06:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> point is 2021-03-01T17:06:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> we don't benefit much from github in terms of muh visibility 2021-03-01T17:06:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least that's what I think. feel free to btfo me 2021-03-01T17:07:12 #kisslinux <soliwilos> "sounds like an ubuntu release" 2021-03-01T17:07:14 #kisslinux <soliwilos> "fiesty fucker" 2021-03-01T17:07:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> actually 2021-03-01T17:07:24 #kisslinux <soliwilos> This made me really laugh out loud.. lol 2021-03-01T17:07:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> if we're adding anything to the fortune file 2021-03-01T17:07:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> acheam get on it 2021-03-01T17:07:37 #kisslinux <acheam> already done :) 2021-03-01T17:07:41 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> after i checked out 2 kiss repos github's startpage was recommending me kiss stuff over and over 2021-03-01T17:07:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> v based 2021-03-01T17:07:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> wow I love microsoft now 2021-03-01T17:08:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> shows that they care about the little guy 2021-03-01T17:08:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> fiesty WAS an ubuntu release. Fiesty Fawn. One of my first 2021-03-01T17:08:26 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> wasnt it feisty 2021-03-01T17:08:43 #kisslinux <acheam> fistey 2021-03-01T17:08:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> you say feisty, I say focker 2021-03-01T17:08:53 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> lmao 2021-03-01T17:08:55 #kisslinux <acheam> feisty 2021-03-01T17:12:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> >fistey 2021-03-01T17:12:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> we're not gonna go there 2021-03-01T17:12:59 #kisslinux <acheam> we're already on relver 5 2021-03-01T17:13:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck 2021-03-01T17:13:05 #kisslinux <acheam> and its been like 3 hours 2021-03-01T17:14:24 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> out of curiosity.. for those people against the use of matrix clients, is there an alternative solution that works well on mobile? i have only stuck with it for convenience (and laziness). 2021-03-01T17:14:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> an IRC client 2021-03-01T17:14:41 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> which 2021-03-01T17:14:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes 2021-03-01T17:14:46 #kisslinux <dgre> yaaic 2021-03-01T17:14:49 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> lol 2021-03-01T17:14:49 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> sigh 2021-03-01T17:14:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> got im 2021-03-01T17:14:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> i use revolution 2021-03-01T17:14:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> but like 2021-03-01T17:15:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you're a KISS user I either expect you don't have a phone 2021-03-01T17:15:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> or you're using a rooted android 2021-03-01T17:15:15 #kisslinux <dgre> YAAIC 2021-03-01T17:15:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> no yelling 2021-03-01T17:15:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is a quiet place 2021-03-01T17:15:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> for solemn contemplation 2021-03-01T17:15:59 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> lol. 2021-03-01T17:16:02 #kisslinux <acheam> mcpcpc[m]: ZNC 2021-03-01T17:16:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> this is a meme chat for yelling into the void 2021-03-01T17:16:15 #kisslinux <acheam> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAH 2021-03-01T17:16:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you stare into #kisslinux for long enough, #kisslinux will stare back 2021-03-01T17:16:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> and you won't like that 2021-03-01T17:16:41 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> iām on iphone at the moment. which sucks. 2021-03-01T17:16:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> >iPhone 2021-03-01T17:16:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> no 2021-03-01T17:16:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> bad 2021-03-01T17:16:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't make me get the newspaper 2021-03-01T17:17:00 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> acheam: i have been meaning to set it up. 2021-03-01T17:17:14 #kisslinux <acheam> I just use it hosted at znc.envs.net 2021-03-01T17:17:36 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: mine's not rooted, but it is lineageos 2021-03-01T17:17:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> i just use an old blackberry 2021-03-01T17:17:49 #kisslinux <acheam> ...and relver 6 2021-03-01T17:18:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> although for a while I did have a GNU userland on it 2021-03-01T17:18:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> using nano on a blackberry is p good 2021-03-01T17:18:07 #kisslinux <acheam> whatnow 2021-03-01T17:18:17 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> <acheam "I just use it hosted at znc.envs"> will have to check that one out. 2021-03-01T17:18:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, yeah, I just cross-compiled it using the blackberry SDK and sent it over the wire 2021-03-01T17:18:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> is this sacrilege, or cancer? i can't tell 2021-03-01T17:18:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes 2021-03-01T17:19:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> completely unironically I used a QNX tty on my phone as my primary computing environment for about a month and a half 2021-03-01T17:19:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> literally fight me, iToddlers 2021-03-01T17:19:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> I would rather have both of my thumbs sewn up my own ass and be forced to use TTS for a year than use a TTY on my phone 2021-03-01T17:20:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> actually it's nice 2021-03-01T17:20:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> my bb passport has an... i think it's called ortholinear? keyboard 2021-03-01T17:20:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> It can't be and I refuse to accept the remote possibility that it's the case 2021-03-01T17:20:25 #kisslinux <acheam> yep, ortholinear 2021-03-01T17:20:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> anyway yeah it has a really nice keyboard 2021-03-01T17:20:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> and the screen is 1:1 2021-03-01T17:20:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> so you can fit an assload of text on it 2021-03-01T17:21:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly I would love to load kisslinux onto my phone and wipe OS10 2021-03-01T17:21:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> but there's hardware checks in place and the bootloader is locked anyway 2021-03-01T17:21:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> so 2021-03-01T17:22:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> anyway brb checking usenet 2021-03-01T17:23:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> still nothing good... 2021-03-01T17:23:29 #kisslinux * midfavila sighs 2021-03-01T17:23:31 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> mcpcpc[m] is the Element (Riot.IM new name) client considered a matrix client? 2021-03-01T17:23:58 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> yeah 2021-03-01T17:24:06 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> thatās what i use :) 2021-03-01T17:24:20 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> ominous_anonymou: so yes 2021-03-01T17:24:51 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> are you just looking for a persistent bridge or anything specific feature-wise? 2021-03-01T17:25:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> a persistent bridge is what I need to look into. I want to be able to use my phone but I get throttled constantly and always end up disconnecting 2021-03-01T17:25:56 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> what does a persistent bridge mean 2021-03-01T17:26:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> well 2021-03-01T17:26:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> a bridge is something that stays connected for you 2021-03-01T17:26:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> so you don't miss stuff 2021-03-01T17:26:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> and then you just connect to the bridge instead of directly to the server 2021-03-01T17:26:25 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> honestly, i just want something that is ābare metalā and no bridge. i have been considering buying a pinephone for some time now. canāt escape ios entirely due to work. 2021-03-01T17:26:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> if my employer required me to use ishit i'd quit 2021-03-01T17:27:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> he probably works @ apl 2021-03-01T17:27:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao 2021-03-01T17:27:23 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> god no 2021-03-01T17:27:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> somehow I feel like anyone involved in an obscure hobbyist distro wouldn't be working at FAANG 2021-03-01T17:27:38 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> I used AndroIRC for a while, it was... ok 2021-03-01T17:29:00 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> where i work, linux is a foreign concept. itās pretty sad 2021-03-01T17:29:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> same with my school 2021-03-01T17:29:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's plenty of logs of me bitching about it 2021-03-01T17:30:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> my girlfriend got an internship at apl that's about as close as I think we can get 2021-03-01T17:30:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> apple shill detected 2021-03-01T17:30:31 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> @dilyn I use https://thelounge.chat/ but I don't get on IRC on my phone, so something like ZNC like acheam uses probably fits your use case better 2021-03-01T17:30:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is a commodore chat now 2021-03-01T17:30:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> best phone in the world was the iphone 4 and you can't convince me otherwise 2021-03-01T17:30:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> hey wow fuck you 2021-03-01T17:30:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> blackberry is leagues better than applel 2021-03-01T17:31:16 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> my favorite that i've had or used was the droid turbo 2 2021-03-01T17:37:47 #kisslinux <acheam> I really liked my $12 amazon.com feature phone 2021-03-01T17:37:51 #kisslinux <acheam> it was an awesome deal 2021-03-01T17:37:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> feature phones are cool 2021-03-01T17:38:01 #kisslinux <acheam> but ATT stopped supporting 2G so I had to switch 2021-03-01T17:38:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> except that they're more "feature" than "phone" now 2021-03-01T17:38:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> i just want my StarTAC to work again ;w; 2021-03-01T17:42:36 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> acheam, btw one thing i forgot to mention is that sabotage supports 5 different cpu archs and crosscompiling onto those. often updates break that, and its a lot of work to check 2021-03-01T17:43:15 #kisslinux <acheam> I understand that sabotage is a pretty different situation than KISS 2021-03-01T17:43:17 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> once i got a package working i rather leave it in there just to delete it a year later because i didnt get around to update it to latest 2021-03-01T17:44:16 #kisslinux <acheam> konimex: dilyn: BTW I don't think anyone was suggesting Gemini as the only site, just a mirror 2021-03-01T17:49:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh my, a gemini-only distro 2021-03-01T17:49:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> how avant-garde 2021-03-01T17:53:17 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm considering forking kiss to support gemini sources 2021-03-01T17:53:28 #kisslinux <acheam> actually, i'm just going to do that right now 2021-03-01T17:53:34 #kisslinux <acheam> itt'l be like 2 lines of code extra 2021-03-01T17:53:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> please do 2021-03-01T17:53:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> actually, while we're at it 2021-03-01T17:53:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> could we like 2021-03-01T17:53:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe make a kiss-patches repo 2021-03-01T17:54:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> for exactly what it says on the tin? 2021-03-01T17:54:04 #kisslinux <kiedtl> suckless-style? 2021-03-01T17:54:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah 2021-03-01T17:54:15 #kisslinux <kiedtl> what kind of patches would it have 2021-03-01T17:54:17 #kisslinux <acheam> oooh 2021-03-01T17:54:23 #kisslinux <acheam> i like that 2021-03-01T17:54:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> more like a wiki because of shell and not C 2021-03-01T17:54:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> but basically, tips and tricks, ways to make it more compliant or capable 2021-03-01T17:54:43 #kisslinux <acheam> it could just go into the contrib folder of kiss 2021-03-01T17:54:47 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ^^ 2021-03-01T17:54:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> but things that might not be suitable in a "reference" implementation 2021-03-01T17:54:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> and yeah, sure 2021-03-01T17:55:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> but then there's the problem of someone going "hmm I'd really like to see what patches there are for kiss" and not being able to differentiate between regular software and kiss mods 2021-03-01T17:55:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> plus, these wouldn't necessarily be things that would be "extensions" 2021-03-01T17:55:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> for example, having the option to use alternative file downloading utilities has real benefits, but it's non-standard behavior 2021-03-01T17:56:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> same with gemini support 2021-03-01T17:56:21 #kisslinux <kiedtl> >alternative file downloading utilities 2021-03-01T17:56:26 #kisslinux <kiedtl> such as... aria2? 2021-03-01T17:56:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> aria2, or in my case axel 2021-03-01T17:56:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I imagine some people might prefer wget 2021-03-01T17:56:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> point is to provide the choice 2021-03-01T17:56:59 #kisslinux * kiedtl looks aria2/axel up, still has no solid idea of what they really are 2021-03-01T17:57:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay so 2021-03-01T17:57:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> tl;dr 2021-03-01T17:57:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> aria2 is the perl of download accelerators 2021-03-01T17:57:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> it can handle HTTP/S, torrents, youtube, whatever 2021-03-01T17:57:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> very fast, has error recovery and resuming, etc 2021-03-01T17:57:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> axel is basically aria2 but stripped down to just HTTP/S and FTP 2021-03-01T17:58:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's a little faster, a lot lighter, and based on my test runs with KISS, works just fine as a replacement for curl 2021-03-01T17:58:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...although most of my personal packages are git pulls, which I need to get around to changing 2021-03-01T17:59:20 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Yeah, reading about them rn 2021-03-01T17:59:40 #kisslinux * midfavila nods 2021-03-01T18:02:30 #kisslinux <dgre> Thankfully i did use tarballs when i could ^_^ 2021-03-01T18:09:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> man, I dunno about you guys, but when was the last time you actually sat down and read a real book just... for fun? 2021-03-01T18:10:09 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> too many devault rants to read, i don't have time for petty things like reading for fun 2021-03-01T18:10:12 #kisslinux <acheam> a few years... 2021-03-01T18:10:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> that goddamn devault 2021-03-01T18:10:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> i feel like in my case it's been at least half a decade 2021-03-01T18:11:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> the last time I sat down and read a book for fun, no other reason, was when I read Neuromancer 2021-03-01T18:11:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> such a good book 2021-03-01T18:11:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> but confusing 2021-03-01T18:12:41 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i think my last one was a Jack Reacher novel a year ago or so. Tends to go in spurts, depending on what books I have available to me and whether I have any time 2021-03-01T18:13:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> i've been trying to read the same three books for the last few years 2021-03-01T18:13:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> too dense 2021-03-01T18:13:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't find I have issues with density 2021-03-01T18:13:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's just like 2021-03-01T18:13:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's so much other stuff that I feel I should be doing 2021-03-01T18:13:44 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> ^ yep me too 2021-03-01T18:14:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> no time for fun when I need to calculate my budget for the next six months, set up a media server (ironic), optimize my laptop's power usage and workstation's performance, read the shitty textbook from school, refine my kernel config, etc 2021-03-01T18:14:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> most of that is self-imposed but still 2021-03-01T18:27:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> kinda wanna order takeout food 2021-03-01T18:27:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's also only monday and I don't want to hit my "once per week" limit 2021-03-01T18:28:13 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> easy: just order like ten meals' worth of food 2021-03-01T18:28:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> now *that* is a bigged-brained move 2021-03-01T18:29:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly the thing that bugs me the most is that the only stores that do delivery in my city that don't require I engage with the gig economy is the local Dominos, and (of all places) KFC 2021-03-01T18:29:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> KFC is pricey and I eat pizza all the time so 2021-03-01T18:29:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> :| 2021-03-01T18:29:36 #kisslinux <kiedtl> oof 2021-03-01T18:29:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah 2021-03-01T18:29:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> real first-worlder hours 2021-03-01T18:30:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd go out to eat but all the busses have been shut down 2021-03-01T18:30:37 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> what do you mean by gig economy? how is dominoes and kfc different 2021-03-01T18:30:54 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> do you mean that doesn't use like UberEats/DoorDash type delivery services? 2021-03-01T18:30:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> gig economy as in like, uber or something 2021-03-01T18:30:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah 2021-03-01T18:31:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> where you get paid a flat rate and aren't given any rights or anything 2021-03-01T18:31:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> dominos and KFC just send one of their regular employees out 2021-03-01T18:31:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> hence why I said it was weird that KFC did it 2021-03-01T18:31:47 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> oh interesting 2021-03-01T18:31:54 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> dominos by me has dedicated drivers 2021-03-01T18:32:56 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> where are the delivery robots when you need them! 2021-03-01T18:33:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe I should make one 2021-03-01T18:33:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> make a drone, write a control program using LISP 2021-03-01T18:33:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> perfect 2021-03-01T18:39:05 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> make a remote control gui using Xaw 2021-03-01T18:39:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> y e s 2021-03-01T18:39:39 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> make sure to host it on sourcehut and explicitly label it as will-never-support-wayland-ever 2021-03-01T18:40:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> name it ddevault's default remote 2021-03-01T18:40:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> s/remote/drewmote/ 2021-03-01T18:40:16 #kisslinux <kissbot> <dilyn> name it ddevault's default drewmote 2021-03-01T18:40:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> these are all very good ideas 2021-03-01T18:47:06 #kisslinux <acheam> ddevault comes up and uncomfortable amount in this channel 2021-03-01T18:47:17 #kisslinux <acheam> like, more than even #cmpwn, which is his own god damn channel 2021-03-01T18:47:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> he pissed in our issue tracker 2021-03-01T18:48:10 #kisslinux <acheam> 1 year ago 2021-03-01T18:48:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> nevar forgetti 2021-03-01T18:48:23 #kisslinux <acheam> and it's not like many people even saw it 2021-03-01T18:48:33 #kisslinux <acheam> pretty much just him, koonimex, and dylan 2021-03-01T18:48:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> nevar 2021-03-01T18:48:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> forgetti 2021-03-01T18:49:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm just so obsessed with this opinionated man 2021-03-01T18:49:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> nobody except me is allowed to have opinions 2021-03-01T18:50:16 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Holy moly ddevault came in here? I wish I was around then 2021-03-01T18:50:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> >.> 2021-03-01T18:50:33 #kisslinux <kiedtl> midfavila: May I have a link 2021-03-01T18:50:35 #kisslinux <acheam> just in the issue tracker 2021-03-01T18:50:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah 2021-03-01T18:50:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> one sec 2021-03-01T18:50:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> he's come UP in here, conversation-wise 2021-03-01T18:51:00 #kisslinux <acheam> https://github.com/kisslinux/repo/issues/99 2021-03-01T18:51:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> ^ 2021-03-01T18:51:06 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: oh I misunderstood then 2021-03-01T18:51:19 #kisslinux <acheam> https://github.com/kisslinux/repo/issues/100 2021-03-01T18:51:41 #kisslinux <acheam> issues 99 and 100, easy to remember 2021-03-01T18:51:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Ah, of course. anti-xorg horseshit 2021-03-01T18:51:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> devault is just a maximum level waylet 2021-03-01T18:51:59 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm so tired of this anti-xorg horsehit 2021-03-01T18:52:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> opinions are immediately disregarded 2021-03-01T18:52:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> people are like "oh but mid gahnome and kaydeee use it" 2021-03-01T18:52:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> but who fucking cares 2021-03-01T18:53:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> outside of being provided *as an option* in those two cases, nobody uses it 2021-03-01T18:53:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> ahem 2021-03-01T18:54:08 #kisslinux <kiedtl> >nobody 2021-03-01T18:54:15 #kisslinux <kiedtl> well, that's a bit unfair 2021-03-01T18:54:17 #kisslinux * dilyn cries 2021-03-01T18:54:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> gee guys my notification just went off but I can't see anything 2021-03-01T18:54:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> weird 2021-03-01T18:54:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's an ugly cry too 2021-03-01T18:54:31 #kisslinux <kiedtl> huh 2021-03-01T18:54:39 #kisslinux <kiedtl> >ugly cry 2021-03-01T18:54:42 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> maximum blubbering! 2021-03-01T18:54:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's that willow dna 2021-03-01T18:55:00 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ahh, makes sense 2021-03-01T18:55:15 #kisslinux <kiedtl> An ugly cry would go best with dilyn's mug, too, I suppose 2021-03-01T18:58:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> man I wish that like 2021-03-01T18:58:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> subway 2021-03-01T18:58:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> would deliver 2021-03-01T18:59:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't have sandwich stuff right now 2021-03-01T18:59:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> :/ 2021-03-01T18:59:33 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> so huh gnu nano has seen like two dozen releases since i last updated it, but guess what - i don't give a shit because the version i use works perfectly for me 2021-03-01T19:00:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST USE OUT OF DATE SOFTWARE! 2021-03-01T19:00:47 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> :) 2021-03-01T19:00:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> think of muh securideee :D 2021-03-01T19:01:39 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> muh security nazis :> 2021-03-01T19:01:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> heil CVE 2021-03-01T19:01:59 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> o/ 2021-03-01T19:02:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao 2021-03-01T19:02:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay you know what 2021-03-01T19:02:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm just gonna order pizza 2021-03-01T19:02:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I need you guys to help me out 2021-03-01T19:02:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> what should I put on it 2021-03-01T19:02:59 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> garlic 2021-03-01T19:03:05 #kisslinux <acheam> mushroom and meatball 2021-03-01T19:03:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay well meatballs aren't an option but beef and sausage are 2021-03-01T19:03:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> anchovies 2021-03-01T19:03:24 #kisslinux <acheam> mushroom and beef 2021-03-01T19:03:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> anchovies are also not an option 2021-03-01T19:03:35 #kisslinux <acheam> make it an option 2021-03-01T19:03:42 #kisslinux <kiedtl> yum, mushroon and beef 2021-03-01T19:03:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> write a letter to dominos then 2021-03-01T19:03:47 #kisslinux <kiedtl> send some over 2021-03-01T19:04:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> normally I get the pizza sauce replaced with garlic ranch, double cheese, some mushrooms, black olives, sausage and steak 2021-03-01T19:04:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> ugh why is nmatrix such a pain 2021-03-01T19:05:25 #kisslinux <zola> Sorry to bother, but i am trying to install KISS and every time i set KISS_PATH it just gets ignored 2021-03-01T19:05:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> have you echo'd it 2021-03-01T19:05:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> just to make sure 2021-03-01T19:05:51 #kisslinux <zola> "kiss search *" just outputs thing from /var/db/kiss/installed/ 2021-03-01T19:06:02 #kisslinux <zola> yes, i have echoed it 2021-03-01T19:06:22 #kisslinux <acheam> the number of times I accidentally close a tab when I'm trying to C-w a word will typing! 2021-03-01T19:06:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> searching for that string on my box just lists everything 2021-03-01T19:06:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> also 2021-03-01T19:06:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> >using emacs 2021-03-01T19:06:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> you deserve this 2021-03-01T19:06:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> are you sure the paths are correct? :v 2021-03-01T19:06:51 #kisslinux <zola> yes 2021-03-01T19:06:51 #kisslinux <jslick> make sure it's `export` ed 2021-03-01T19:07:04 #kisslinux <zola> let me check the export thing 2021-03-01T19:07:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is why I took the time to write a small script to autogenerate a path listing 2021-03-01T19:07:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> that way nothing can be missed 2021-03-01T19:07:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> wym 2021-03-01T19:08:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> export KISS_PATH=$(du /var/db/kiss/repos -d2 | cut -f 2 | grep -v \. | sort | tr 'n' ':') 2021-03-01T19:08:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> i wrote this abomination a few days ago 2021-03-01T19:08:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> why tf 2021-03-01T19:08:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> automatically adds any directory up to two levels of recursion under /var/db/kiss/repos to the path 2021-03-01T19:08:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is convenient 2021-03-01T19:08:53 #kisslinux <dgre> Thanks mid 2021-03-01T19:09:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> it should work 2021-03-01T19:09:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's uh 2021-03-01T19:09:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> clunky 2021-03-01T19:09:31 #kisslinux <acheam> awk would do that much easier 2021-03-01T19:09:32 #kisslinux <zola> not exporting KISS_PATH was the problem 2021-03-01T19:09:35 #kisslinux <zola> thanks 2021-03-01T19:09:38 #kisslinux <acheam> yay! 2021-03-01T19:09:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah awk would be way better 2021-03-01T19:09:45 #kisslinux <acheam> make sure you're on kiss-community 2021-03-01T19:09:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I'm an awk brainlet as it stands 2021-03-01T19:10:14 #kisslinux <acheam> I too am an awk brainlet, but learning 2021-03-01T19:10:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> much more used to manipulating the filesystem than stdio 2021-03-01T19:10:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> you guys must use a lot of repos if this is a problem you have solve with five pipes ngl 2021-03-01T19:10:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> nah you could probably solve it with two 2021-03-01T19:10:41 #kisslinux <acheam> unix 2.0 = every byte is a file 2021-03-01T19:10:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> any number of pipes 2021-03-01T19:10:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean 2021-03-01T19:10:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> i use my repos, the core, and the community 2021-03-01T19:11:31 #kisslinux <acheam> wow, you don't use my repo? how rude 2021-03-01T19:11:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> I just don't like constantly typing export KISS_PATH=/var/db/kiss/repo/core:/var/db/kiss/extra:/var/db/kiss/xorg:etc 2021-03-01T19:11:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's why you put it in /etc/profile.d/ 2021-03-01T19:11:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes I know 2021-03-01T19:12:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> and that's what I do 2021-03-01T19:12:04 #kisslinux <acheam> https://i.imgur.com/mrr4liB.png 2021-03-01T19:12:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I install KISS a lot 2021-03-01T19:12:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> I actively encourage people to not use my repos xD 2021-03-01T19:12:06 #kisslinux <acheam> this is how I do mine 2021-03-01T19:12:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> "of course, the solution to this problem is recursion" 2021-03-01T19:12:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol 2021-03-01T19:12:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm never going to forget that quote dilyn 2021-03-01T19:13:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> actually you know what 2021-03-01T19:13:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> that should be part of the quotesfile too 2021-03-01T19:13:21 #kisslinux <acheam> on it 2021-03-01T19:13:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol 2021-03-01T19:13:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> Math professors nut over recursion 2021-03-01T19:13:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> "you sound like a level 200 CS prof. 2021-03-01T19:13:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> 'Of course, the solution to this is recursion.'" 2021-03-01T19:13:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> my whole post secondary education was uncomfortable 2021-03-01T19:14:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> my entire education is uncomfortable 2021-03-01T19:14:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> i hate that I have to keep attending 2021-03-01T19:14:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> but if I stop the gubbermint stops delivering neetbux 2021-03-01T19:14:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> and then I can't buy pizza 2021-03-01T19:14:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> or parts 2021-03-01T19:14:54 #kisslinux <kiedtl> You could stop and get a job 2021-03-01T19:14:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> god forbid 2021-03-01T19:15:06 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Infiltrate the corporate world with KISS, why not? 2021-03-01T19:15:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> somehow I don't think most people care about "yeah btw I use KISS linux" 2021-03-01T19:15:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmfao 2021-03-01T19:15:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> two weeks ago I asked HR for a copy of the employment agreement I signed with BNY becuase I can't find it anywhere 2021-03-01T19:15:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> it got escalated to a level 3 rep and she said 'i'm sorry can you be more specific' 2021-03-01T19:15:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> see if people hired based on merit instead of certs I could probably get a job as a junior sysadmin rn 2021-03-01T19:16:01 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: what do you do? 2021-03-01T19:16:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> unsure what part of "why can I be fired" was unspecific, but yeah 2021-03-01T19:16:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> I work for a bank 2021-03-01T19:16:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> :thinking: 2021-03-01T19:16:25 #kisslinux <acheam> ah so you're in a perfect position to eat the rich 2021-03-01T19:16:32 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I'm very tempted to just drop out of college myself and try to get a job as a sysadmin tbh 2021-03-01T19:16:32 #kisslinux <acheam> prime access 2021-03-01T19:16:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly 2021-03-01T19:16:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't think i would want to sysadmin for a large company 2021-03-01T19:16:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> if only :'( I spend most of my time sucking their money manager's dick 2021-03-01T19:17:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> and the ebic leet hackerone route doesn't appeal to me either 2021-03-01T19:17:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> i just want to work for like a small-medium local business 2021-03-01T19:17:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> and just kinda like 2021-03-01T19:17:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> vibe 2021-03-01T19:17:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> and shit 2021-03-01T19:17:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> idk 2021-03-01T19:18:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> all I know is that I'm not going back to warehouse work or fast food 2021-03-01T19:18:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> did that when I dropped out of HS for a few years, god 2021-03-01T19:18:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> worst idea ever 2021-03-01T19:20:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> vibin' is what i do best on the clock 2021-03-01T19:21:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> basically I just don't want to get shoehorned into working to live. that doesn't seem a very healthy thing to do 2021-03-01T19:21:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd much rather just sorta... show up, do my job, collect my pay, go home 2021-03-01T19:21:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> no stupid "company parties", no scrum rituals, no managers constantly breathing down my neck waiting to capitalize on the tiniest of mistakes 2021-03-01T19:22:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> just... do my job. 2021-03-01T19:22:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe I'm just immature. who knows 2021-03-01T19:22:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> anyway 2021-03-01T19:23:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> on that note 2021-03-01T19:23:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> pizza 2021-03-01T19:32:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> bizza has been acquired 2021-03-01T19:42:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> hey looky there; rnp supports the same options gpg does 2021-03-01T19:42:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> they're just every so slightly different :| 2021-03-01T19:42:24 #kisslinux <acheam> huh, i've never heard of rnp 2021-03-01T19:42:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> same 2021-03-01T19:42:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> guessing it's an alt implementation of pgp? 2021-03-01T19:42:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://github.com/rnpgp/rnp 2021-03-01T19:42:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> yah 2021-03-01T19:42:47 #kisslinux <acheam> yes, derived from NetPGP 2021-03-01T19:43:00 #kisslinux <acheam> unfortunately gnupg is a dep for tons of packages I have 2021-03-01T19:43:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> >uses cmake 2021-03-01T19:43:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> discarded 2021-03-01T19:43:14 #kisslinux <acheam> what do you have against CMAKE? 2021-03-01T19:43:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> it takes many times longer to compile on my system than even gcc 2021-03-01T19:43:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's quite bulky 2021-03-01T19:43:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> or, fuck 2021-03-01T19:43:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> Mesa 2021-03-01T19:43:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> MESA compiles faster than cmake 2021-03-01T19:43:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> of all things 2021-03-01T19:43:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> if you have cmake installed already it's a fair bit faster 2021-03-01T19:43:56 #kisslinux <acheam> ccache baby 2021-03-01T19:44:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm not going to keep a bloated piece of garbage on my system 2021-03-01T19:44:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> I just keep all my big make-time deps in a separate folder to keep around so i don't have to rebuild them :v 2021-03-01T19:44:14 #kisslinux <acheam> ? You'd rather re-compile it every time 2021-03-01T19:44:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> i prune obsessively 2021-03-01T19:44:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> like if my package count is over 200 and it's not damn justifiable I start getting nervous 2021-03-01T19:44:47 #kisslinux * acheam notices he has 895 pacman packages, 5 kiss packages, and 15 flatpaks 2021-03-01T19:44:50 #kisslinux <kiedtl> o.o 2021-03-01T19:45:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> right now I have 215, but there are a lot of build-time deps installed atm 2021-03-01T19:45:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> since I'm polishing my repo 2021-03-01T19:45:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> 87 gang 2021-03-01T19:45:19 #kisslinux <acheam> damn 2021-03-01T19:45:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> mind 2021-03-01T19:45:25 #kisslinux <acheam> mostly browser deps I presume? 2021-03-01T19:45:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> most of my packages comprise my core userspace 2021-03-01T19:45:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> e.g i have a seperate less, net-tools, etc packages 2021-03-01T19:46:00 #kisslinux <acheam> what's wrong with mainline less? 2021-03-01T19:46:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> if I went with all the bundled deps for chromium I wonder what the count wold be... u 2021-03-01T19:46:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> the problem with core less is that it's busybox 2021-03-01T19:46:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> and busybox is a problem 2021-03-01T19:46:31 #kisslinux <acheam> does your userland not come with less? 2021-03-01T19:46:45 #kisslinux <acheam> or any pager 2021-03-01T19:46:48 #kisslinux <riteo> hi! 2021-03-01T19:46:53 #kisslinux <acheam> hello, riteo 2021-03-01T19:46:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> I use more. Get on my level scrubs 2021-03-01T19:46:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> howdy riteo: 2021-03-01T19:47:29 #kisslinux <acheam> I usually just use nvim as my pager 2021-03-01T19:47:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's not true. my pager is vim 2021-03-01T19:47:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> at least for git 2021-03-01T19:48:03 #kisslinux <acheam> export PAGER=nvim +R 2021-03-01T19:48:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> PAGER=vim -c PAGER - 2021-03-01T19:48:29 #kisslinux <acheam> and export MANPAGER=nvim +Man! 2021-03-01T19:48:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> who reads manpages 2021-03-01T19:48:52 #kisslinux <acheam> don't be going after manpages like that 2021-03-01T19:48:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> does your userland not come with less?: no it doesn't 2021-03-01T19:49:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> i use the suckless userland with supplements from BSD 2021-03-01T19:49:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> ideally I'd be able to use supplements from plan9 or system five but 2021-03-01T19:49:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, it just doesn't work for me 2021-03-01T19:50:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> you no lucky 2021-03-01T19:50:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> i might take another stab at 9base 2021-03-01T19:52:26 #kisslinux <riteo> btw guys how do you do that *dude does something" thing? I've never used IRC in ways other than writing simple messages 2021-03-01T19:52:37 #kisslinux <acheam> /me does something 2021-03-01T19:52:48 #kisslinux * riteo thanks acheam 2021-03-01T19:52:55 #kisslinux <riteo> :D 2021-03-01T19:53:07 #kisslinux <acheam> you're welcome! 2021-03-01T19:53:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> he's a cool kid now 2021-03-01T19:53:48 #kisslinux <riteo> yes 2021-03-01T19:59:00 #kisslinux <riteo> midfavilla what's wrong with busybox btw? I've never heard nothing bad about it. 2021-03-01T19:59:45 #kisslinux <riteo> hi tms_ 2021-03-01T19:59:48 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Nothing really, it just doesn't have some features that some folks (*waves*) like 2021-03-01T20:00:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'll tell you what's wrong with it 2021-03-01T20:00:07 #kisslinux <kiedtl> dunno what midfav was referring too, that's just my opinion 2021-03-01T20:00:09 #kisslinux <acheam> *sigh* 2021-03-01T20:00:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> not written in rust, that's what's wrong with it 2021-03-01T20:00:20 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lolol 2021-03-01T20:00:20 #kisslinux <acheam> oh I thought you were going to complain about the license 2021-03-01T20:00:28 #kisslinux <riteo> lol 2021-03-01T20:00:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> 0bsd or bust lads 2021-03-01T20:00:42 #kisslinux <riteo> I thought busybox had a pretty simple license 2021-03-01T20:00:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's gpl 2021-03-01T20:00:56 #kisslinux <riteo> oh 2021-03-01T20:00:56 #kisslinux <acheam> ^ 2021-03-01T20:01:06 #kisslinux <riteo> that changes everything 2021-03-01T20:01:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> see my only problem with the low-clause BSD licenses is that they don't side with the "consumer" for lack of a better term 2021-03-01T20:01:44 #kisslinux <acheam> example? 2021-03-01T20:01:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> "oh no I can't use the free labor of hundreds or thousands of people in a project to explicitly fuck them over" 2021-03-01T20:02:10 #kisslinux <tms_> Hi! 2021-03-01T20:02:14 #kisslinux <aarng> I have 3 gripes with busybox 2021-03-01T20:02:15 #kisslinux <riteo> hi! 2021-03-01T20:02:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I mean, an example of the GPL doing something good would be the WRT54GL/s 2021-03-01T20:02:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> it explicitly refuses to fuck over consumers lol 2021-03-01T20:02:40 #kisslinux <aarng> its ed is a joke, tail -f doesn't use inotify and its less does not support raw mode 2021-03-01T20:02:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> your complaint isn't about license terms, it's about the actions of individuals and corporations that use software under those terms 2021-03-01T20:03:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't consider corporations "consumers" 2021-03-01T20:03:01 #kisslinux <aarng> its vi sucks too but thats ok 2021-03-01T20:03:10 #kisslinux <riteo> I see 2021-03-01T20:03:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> yeah, it's vi is really buggy in my experience 2021-03-01T20:03:24 #kisslinux <kiedtl> *its 2021-03-01T20:03:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> vi is cringe 2021-03-01T20:03:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean, if they consume goods and services, I don't see how they couldn't be 2021-03-01T20:03:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> just use ed 2021-03-01T20:03:32 #kisslinux <riteo> well, it makes sense if its ed is shit 2021-03-01T20:03:35 #kisslinux <aarng> yep, bugs out on undo, doesn't it? 2021-03-01T20:03:40 #kisslinux <kiedtl> exactly 2021-03-01T20:03:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> and when I say "consumer" I tend to think of the little guy 2021-03-01T20:03:47 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ^@^@^@ 2021-03-01T20:03:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm more concerned with the hobbyist, the experimenter, the individual 2021-03-01T20:04:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe small business 2021-03-01T20:04:02 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i actually do like sircmpwn's blog: https://drewdevault.com/2021/01/04/A-culture-of-stability-and-reliability.html 2021-03-01T20:04:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> not fucking 2021-03-01T20:04:03 #kisslinux <acheam> vi isn't complete feature-wise either 2021-03-01T20:04:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> IBM 2021-03-01T20:04:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> or microshit 2021-03-01T20:04:15 #kisslinux <acheam> you sometimes get a "this feature isn't implemented yet" message 2021-03-01T20:04:28 #kisslinux <aarng> I just use nvi 2021-03-01T20:04:31 #kisslinux <riteo> no ok that's terrible 2021-03-01T20:04:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> no matter how much they open source their calculators or thirty year old OSes, no matter how much PR they put out, they're still The Enemy:tm: 2021-03-01T20:04:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> and anything that enables them is bad 2021-03-01T20:05:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> Well your preference for how to characterize large companies doesn't seem well-grounded xD 2021-03-01T20:05:11 #kisslinux <riteo> I mean, isn't the GPL just some words? 2021-03-01T20:05:26 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> midfavila, you don't like bill gatestein ? :o 2021-03-01T20:05:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> every law is just "some words" 2021-03-01T20:05:27 #kisslinux <kiedtl> aarng: I don't see what's wrong with tail -f not using inotify, though. Care to elaborate? :) 2021-03-01T20:05:32 #kisslinux <riteo> nothing stops them from not following them if they're skilled enough 2021-03-01T20:05:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean 2021-03-01T20:05:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> ultimately the military stops them 2021-03-01T20:05:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> or the police 2021-03-01T20:05:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> aka "gun people" 2021-03-01T20:05:55 #kisslinux <riteo> don't tell me the big corpos follow all laws properly 2021-03-01T20:05:56 #kisslinux <aarng> kiedtl, polling is slow 2021-03-01T20:05:57 #kisslinux <acheam> google, microsoft, apple are constatnly violating GPL 2021-03-01T20:05:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> aka "big stick carriers" 2021-03-01T20:05:59 #kisslinux <acheam> see android 2021-03-01T20:06:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> most things are just words 2021-03-01T20:06:03 #kisslinux <aarng> my irc client relies on tail -f 2021-03-01T20:06:03 #kisslinux <kiedtl> The Greecian police must have failed, though, mid 2021-03-01T20:06:11 #kisslinux <kiedtl> aarng: Ah. I see. 2021-03-01T20:06:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't get me wrong authorities fail a lot 2021-03-01T20:06:14 #kisslinux <riteo> GPL restricts freedom IMO 2021-03-01T20:06:16 #kisslinux <aarng> feels laggy when lines I type don't appear instantly for instance 2021-03-01T20:06:24 #kisslinux <acheam> riteo: you're with dilyn on that 2021-03-01T20:06:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> riteo: gets it 2021-03-01T20:06:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> the GPL restricts freedom in the same way the whole "don't kill your neighbor" thing does 2021-03-01T20:06:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> FACTS 2021-03-01T20:06:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> or the "free speech doesn't cover shouting fire in a burning building" thing 2021-03-01T20:06:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> er, crowded 2021-03-01T20:06:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck 2021-03-01T20:06:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's analytically true my dude 2021-03-01T20:07:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> there goes my impeccable and not at all biased factual analysis of the situation 2021-03-01T20:07:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> rip ur fax 2021-03-01T20:07:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> GNUtard BTFO'd once again by based BSD chads 2021-03-01T20:07:36 #kisslinux <riteo> as I said, if corpos want to "kill", they'll do it without that many hassles 2021-03-01T20:07:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> sure 2021-03-01T20:07:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> and people can still kill too 2021-03-01T20:08:00 #kisslinux <riteo> what GNUtard wait 2021-03-01T20:08:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> and a lot of the time they get away with it 2021-03-01T20:08:13 #kisslinux <riteo> I said that I don't like the GPL 2021-03-01T20:08:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> i was being sarcastic and referring to myself 2021-03-01T20:08:37 #kisslinux <riteo> oh ok, sorry for misunderstanding 2021-03-01T20:08:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> np 2021-03-01T20:08:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yeah the important thing is not that we catch every guy every time 2021-03-01T20:09:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's that we have a system in place for dealing with them 2021-03-01T20:09:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> free software is ultimately good for end users 2021-03-01T20:09:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> going "waaaaah I don't wanna share! fuck you!" is lame and cringe 2021-03-01T20:10:05 #kisslinux <riteo> the issue IMO is that when GPL violations cause damage the most is when they are made by very big corpos, which have enough resources to get away with it, even when they get caught 2021-03-01T20:10:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> you think the FSF is gonna stop hounding a corp when they find a violation? 2021-03-01T20:10:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> hell no 2021-03-01T20:10:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> it took them like half a decade to pummel cisco into complying but they did 2021-03-01T20:10:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> and as a result a 20yo router is still relevant 2021-03-01T20:10:56 #kisslinux <riteo> I love free software, but I find the GPL a troublemaker to small guys, which are the most vulnerable to legal issues 2021-03-01T20:11:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> see if it's an honest mistake then yeah 2021-03-01T20:11:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> little guy+small mistake+no malicious intent, that's fair 2021-03-01T20:11:34 #kisslinux <riteo> not even that 2021-03-01T20:11:44 #kisslinux <riteo> you might put yourself into very complex issues 2021-03-01T20:11:48 #kisslinux <riteo> look at bukkit 2021-03-01T20:11:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean 2021-03-01T20:11:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> look at linksys 2021-03-01T20:11:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's how they got caught 2021-03-01T20:12:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> a third party distributor of a subsidiary of a subsidiary of a subsidiary used a portion of linux on a component 2021-03-01T20:12:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> and as a result the WRT54G got hit by the FSF 2021-03-01T20:13:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> super tiny thing that they couldn't have anticipated 2021-03-01T20:13:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> but, they're still making money off of their ancient hardware because people are still buying these things for use with oWRT 2021-03-01T20:13:48 #kisslinux <riteo> so that only benefitted them, right? 2021-03-01T20:13:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> and they've even spun it as an advantage over their competitors in the past few years 2021-03-01T20:13:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> no 2021-03-01T20:13:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> it benefitted everyone 2021-03-01T20:14:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> linksys gets to make literally millions off a product they haven't touched in two decades 2021-03-01T20:14:20 #kisslinux <riteo> I mean, wouldn't the same issue on a wayyy smaller corporation have killed it for legal costs? 2021-03-01T20:14:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> freetards such as myself get a cheap, reliable router for basic use 2021-03-01T20:14:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> etc 2021-03-01T20:14:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> and no, I don't think so 2021-03-01T20:14:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> not if you just comply with the license 2021-03-01T20:14:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> and settle out of court with the FSF 2021-03-01T20:15:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> they've never been concerned with making money 2021-03-01T20:15:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> or getting damages or whatever 2021-03-01T20:15:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> just the source 2021-03-01T20:15:23 #kisslinux <riteo> lawyers do though 2021-03-01T20:15:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> settling out of court doesn't require lawyers does it? 2021-03-01T20:15:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm not a legal expert 2021-03-01T20:15:53 #kisslinux <riteo> me neither, I'm not even american 2021-03-01T20:16:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> i figured it was just a "okay fine we'll comply, drop the suit please" 2021-03-01T20:16:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> and neither am I 2021-03-01T20:16:07 #kisslinux <riteo> just point out if I'm wronf 2021-03-01T20:16:10 #kisslinux <riteo> wrong* 2021-03-01T20:17:21 #kisslinux <riteo> btw this is a really complex talk in which myself get continously tangled. A few months ago I was for the GPL, then for stuff like MIT, and so on 2021-03-01T20:17:32 #kisslinux <gtms> MOTD 2021-03-01T20:17:54 #kisslinux <gtms> ehm.. sorry. Learning irc client :/ 2021-03-01T20:18:16 #kisslinux <riteo> np 2021-03-01T20:18:22 #kisslinux <kiedtl> you may be thinking of /topic, gtms 2021-03-01T20:19:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> MIT is... fine. again, for me the problem isn't "nooooo you can't use free software in corporate products!". it's "nooooooo you can't enhance the software and benefit from it financially while the people who worked on it don't even get your fixes!" 2021-03-01T20:20:26 #kisslinux <gtms> Never used irc before... never had a reason to. Kiss made the decision for me ;) 2021-03-01T20:20:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> good 2021-03-01T20:20:39 #kisslinux <riteo> midfavilla yeah that's a fair point 2021-03-01T20:21:35 #kisslinux <riteo> but still, since the GPL wants to protect people from big corpos using the law, the same law which due to their enormous resources they can bend, I find it kind of useless against them, and more potentially harmful to the tinkerers. 2021-03-01T20:22:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> sure 2021-03-01T20:22:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> but that's a problem with the system, not the GPL 2021-03-01T20:22:33 #kisslinux <riteo> oh yeah absolutely, that's what I mean 2021-03-01T20:23:07 #kisslinux <riteo> relying on the system to protect something from the system itself doesn't look very effective to me 2021-03-01T20:23:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, it's either that or just give up 2021-03-01T20:23:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> because unless one of us wants to steal the source code for winten 2021-03-01T20:23:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> in minecraft of course 2021-03-01T20:23:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> pls don't ban me 2021-03-01T20:24:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's not much we can physicially do to deal with corps 2021-03-01T20:24:32 #kisslinux <riteo> that's why I think it may cause more harm to people than corpos 2021-03-01T20:27:05 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs 2021-03-01T20:27:58 #kisslinux <riteo> but still, I respect GPL lovers. Also the MIT should be still for freetards IIRC :P 2021-03-01T20:28:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> MIT is like true neutral 2021-03-01T20:28:40 #kisslinux <riteo> Kind of 2021-03-01T20:28:53 #kisslinux <riteo> I mean, you have to mention the creator in the license 2021-03-01T20:29:08 #kisslinux <riteo> true neutral would be the Unlicense, or CC0 2021-03-01T20:29:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> fair enough 2021-03-01T20:29:30 #kisslinux <riteo> well, dinner's ready, gtg 2021-03-01T20:29:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> bye 2021-03-01T20:29:57 #kisslinux <riteo> It's been a pleasure to talk with you, I hope to not have bored you too much 2021-03-01T20:30:00 #kisslinux <riteo> Bye! 2021-03-01T20:30:06 #kisslinux * midfavila waves 2021-03-01T21:04:42 #kisslinux <acheam> riteo: you're with dilyn on that 2021-03-01T21:04:50 #kisslinux <acheam> oops didn't mean to send that old messag 2021-03-01T23:15:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> sh4rm4^bnc: finally got to read that blog post you linked. couldn't agree more with his assessment 2021-03-01T23:15:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> blog post? 2021-03-01T23:15:24 #kisslinux <acheam> the education one? 2021-03-01T23:15:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> He's frequently on the nose. He's just abrasive, and frequently comes of as controlling 2021-03-01T23:15:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://drewdevault.com/2021/01/04/A-culture-of-stability-and-reliability.html 2021-03-01T23:15:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> this one 2021-03-01T23:15:41 #kisslinux <acheam> oh right 2021-03-01T23:15:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> Oh, that 2021-03-01T23:15:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah 2021-03-01T23:15:49 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah that's an apt analysis, dilyn 2021-03-01T23:16:16 #kisslinux <acheam> but i'd go further, not just coming off as controlling, but actually being controlling 2021-03-01T23:16:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> just call him an asshole and move on 2021-03-01T23:16:29 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs 2021-03-01T23:16:33 #kisslinux <acheam> see: gemini favicons, half the responses on the srht mailing list 2021-03-01T23:27:18 #kisslinux <acheam> unironic question: has anybody put sytemd onto kiss? 2021-03-01T23:27:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> pretty sure 2021-03-01T23:27:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> but if you use systemd on kiss you're a heathen 2021-03-01T23:27:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> just saying 2021-03-01T23:28:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> tracer: has 2021-03-01T23:28:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> somebody else made a repo for it a while back 2021-03-01T23:28:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> there's been a small bit of interest in it :) 2021-03-01T23:29:24 #kisslinux <acheam> can't find it on GH 2021-03-01T23:29:53 #kisslinux <acheam> and tracer is offline, argh 2021-03-01T23:30:20 #kisslinux <acheam> I kind of want to write a systemd interface to kiss 2021-03-01T23:30:57 #kisslinux <acheam> so it would just be systemd on kiss, but rather systemd in kiss 2021-03-01T23:35:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm irrationally offended by this 2021-03-01T23:36:08 #kisslinux <acheam> systemd is actually really nice if you sit down and get do know it 2021-03-01T23:37:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's great if you like monolithic software that randomly has undiagnosable errors and requires everything comply to its set of arbitrary standards 2021-03-01T23:38:08 #kisslinux <acheam> its not monolithic though 2021-03-01T23:38:11 #kisslinux <acheam> its a suite of software 2021-03-01T23:38:14 #kisslinux <acheam> you don't have to use all of it 2021-03-01T23:38:41 #kisslinux <acheam> just want to use the service manager? go ahead! Want to leave out systemd-boot in favor of just efistub? sure! 2021-03-01T23:38:49 #kisslinux <acheam> and its many different binaries 2021-03-01T23:38:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> "it's not monolithic" in the sense that not all of a given userland is monolithic 2021-03-01T23:38:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> sure 2021-03-01T23:38:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> i could swap out hundreds of individual tools 2021-03-01T23:39:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's not practical 2021-03-01T23:39:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> and besides, the bigger issue is that systemd as a project absorbs other projects 2021-03-01T23:39:35 #kisslinux <acheam> but others form in its shadow 2021-03-01T23:39:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's not needed 2021-03-01T23:39:59 #kisslinux <acheam> a package manager isn't needed either 2021-03-01T23:40:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> slippery slope arguments are stupid 2021-03-01T23:40:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> a package manager is much different than what should have stayed an init system 2021-03-01T23:40:35 #kisslinux <acheam> systemd isn't an init system though 2021-03-01T23:40:38 #kisslinux <acheam> software evoleves 2021-03-01T23:40:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> "it's a suite of software that accomplishes multiple tasks" 2021-03-01T23:40:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> I don't care 2021-03-01T23:40:55 #kisslinux <acheam> are you against libreoffice too? 2021-03-01T23:40:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> actually yes 2021-03-01T23:41:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's hilariously bloated 2021-03-01T23:41:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> but 2021-03-01T23:41:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> the key difference is that my security subsystem, or networking subsystem, don't depend on libreoffice 2021-03-01T23:42:16 #kisslinux <acheam> whatever happened to <midfavila> think of muh securideee :D 2021-03-01T23:42:35 #kisslinux <acheam> this discussion is losing its importance 2021-03-01T23:42:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't think I can fundamentally *choose* to not at least *have* all of systemd on any arbitrary Linux system 2021-03-01T23:42:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> it never had any importance because you have no arguments 2021-03-01T23:42:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> other than grasping at straws 2021-03-01T23:43:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> my "securideee" quote is in reference to the obsession with updates people have 2021-03-01T23:43:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> soystemd suffers from that, too, but it's minor in comparison to all the other crap 2021-03-01T23:44:06 #kisslinux <acheam> my bad for bringing this up 2021-03-01T23:49:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> he's just mad he isn't poettering 2021-03-01T23:49:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> rip sad lad 2021-03-01T23:49:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> nah I'm fine with not being a red hat glowie 2021-03-01T23:52:48 #kisslinux * acheam weeps