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2020-12-09T00:06:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> good news: qt6-{declarative,svg} build and install just fine...
2020-12-09T00:06:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> bad news: qt6-webengine when?? who knows!
2020-12-09T00:14:41 #kisslinux <acheam> nice! What do you use qt6-webengine for, falkon?
2020-12-09T00:15:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> yah
2020-12-09T00:16:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> considering that's the only thing qt exists in communty for (besides graphviz, i guess?), the update will come soon(tm)
2020-12-09T00:34:12 #kisslinux <onodera> just build blender :)
2020-12-09T00:51:41 #kisslinux <acheam> nice!
2020-12-09T02:47:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> pip... requires... dynamic loading?
2020-12-09T07:37:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> So, got the new rig up and running today
2020-12-09T07:38:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> and holy shit, running 30 make jobs at once with no slowdown is an unreal feeling
2020-12-09T07:50:50 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Specs?
2020-12-09T07:53:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> Dual Xeon 2670v3 CPUs, 32GB of 2133mhz ECC memory, WX 5100 GPU, Asus Xonar STX sound card, and an Intel S2600CW2R mainboard, all powered by a Corsair RM750x
2020-12-09T07:54:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> right now it's just got a small 256GB kingston drive in there, while I build the new KISS system
2020-12-09T07:54:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> once that's done and stable I'm going to be transferring over my 1TB WD Black drive. There are still some improvements I want to make though
2020-12-09T07:55:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> some case fans that don't sound like a jet taking off are pretty high up on that list
2020-12-09T07:56:29 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Nice
2020-12-09T07:56:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> Yeah dude. This has been my pet project all year
2020-12-09T07:56:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> finally fired it up tonight after fiddling around with the BIOS for a while
2020-12-09T07:57:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> the GPU has to be inserted in a specific slot or else it won't be recognized, which is cool and normal.
2020-12-09T08:25:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> Hmm. Is gettext one of those packages that's always expected to be installed?
2020-12-09T08:27:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> actually, scratch that-
2020-12-09T08:28:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> reason I bring it up is because gnugrep fails to build without automake present, but this is missing in its deps
2020-12-09T08:28:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> build time requires aclocal
2020-12-09T13:44:43 #kisslinux <nerditup> anybody use the XDG environment variables?
2020-12-09T13:45:17 #kisslinux <nerditup> wondering if I want to apply patches to use XDG for apps that don't support it because, why not
2020-12-09T14:32:42 #kisslinux <girl30> can u post song list?
2020-12-09T15:21:02 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> nerditup this might interest you https://soc.me/standards/xdg-migration-status.html
2020-12-09T15:21:48 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://lobste.rs/s/zpw6py/how_do_you_organize_your_home_directory
2020-12-09T15:24:29 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> I guess more specifically their post here: https://soc.me/standards/defending-home
2020-12-09T15:59:58 #kisslinux <nerditup> ominous_anonymou: thanks! Yeah that's good stuff. So it sounds like people in this community are in favour of the XDG standards? I like a clean home folder, personally
2020-12-09T16:01:40 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> I am in favor yeah, although more in theory than in practice because I always end up being lazy when it comes to my own machine(s)
2020-12-09T16:02:39 #kisslinux <acheam> what are your thoughts on systemd-homed?
2020-12-09T16:03:12 #kisslinux <acheam> personally, I like the idea of an encrypted homedir when the computer is just asleep/locked, but not sold on the rest of the stuff it brings
2020-12-09T16:04:00 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> not in favor. i'd prefer not to cede any more ground to systemd than is already given
2020-12-09T16:04:16 #kisslinux <nerditup> ^ same
2020-12-09T16:05:02 #kisslinux <acheam> I use systemd (Arch) part-time, KISS part-time so I get to see the benefits of both ways. For the average desktop user, I see the appeal, but for powerusers (like us, I suppose) its impact is lessened a bit
2020-12-09T16:05:14 #kisslinux <nerditup> but the freedesktop brought us XDG standards, so I was curious
2020-12-09T16:05:19 #kisslinux <acheam> might be interesting to see a systemd kiss, just for fun
2020-12-09T16:06:05 #kisslinux <nerditup> I'd be curious to see a comparison of boot times between a systemd kiss vs. busybox init kiss
2020-12-09T16:07:47 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> @acheam https://github.com/fanboimsft/kissD not sure if this user is in here or not
2020-12-09T16:08:56 #kisslinux <acheam> ominous_anonymou: thanks! assuming their github and their nick are the same, doesn't look like they are
2020-12-09T16:10:15 #kisslinux <nerditup> I like their use of the "bloat" folder :D
2020-12-09T16:10:47 #kisslinux <acheam> they're self aware!
2020-12-09T16:10:56 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> username too XD
2020-12-09T16:46:45 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> I'll probably build systemd on gkiss tomorrow and report here
2020-12-09T16:50:47 #kisslinux <nerditup> o/
2020-12-09T18:38:18 #kisslinux <micr0> nerditup ominous_anonymou : I packaged antidot, which is a program that scans and migrates non-xdg config to XDG. its interactive (asks for each migration and shows you what would happen), and spits out sourceable shell to make sure programs work how you want them to.
2020-12-09T18:39:41 #kisslinux <micr0> here is the example env.sh it generated for me : http://ix.io/2Hkx
2020-12-09T18:39:55 #kisslinux <micr0> and alias.sh http://ix.io/2Hkx
2020-12-09T18:40:10 #kisslinux <micr0> and here is the project page https://github.com/doron-cohen/antidot
2020-12-09T18:40:20 #kisslinux <micr0> you can install with `kiss install antidot` if you have repo-jedahan
2020-12-09T18:41:23 #kisslinux <nerditup> micr0: that's such a good idea
2020-12-09T18:43:08 #kisslinux <nerditup> putting the specific apps in a rules.yaml file -- awesome
2020-12-09T18:47:26 #kisslinux <acheam> oh yeah I saw that the other day and installed it but couldn't get it to work
2020-12-09T18:48:00 #kisslinux <acheam> I just copied the rules manually
2020-12-09T18:49:16 #kisslinux <micr0_> acheam what error did you get?
2020-12-09T18:49:21 #kisslinux <micr0_> it worked perfectly for me
2020-12-09T18:49:26 #kisslinux <micr0_> and did you install antidot from my repo?
2020-12-09T18:50:31 #kisslinux <acheam> no I installed it manually using the published binary on github, and it says "Failed to run rule elinks: rename /home/armaa/.elinks /elinks: invalid cross-device link"
2020-12-09T18:50:44 #kisslinux <acheam> for any rule
2020-12-09T18:50:54 #kisslinux <acheam> but its not important, I was able to clean up my homedir anyways
2020-12-09T18:51:13 #kisslinux <micr0_> oh, i wonder if you have symlinks across mount points?
2020-12-09T18:51:30 #kisslinux <micr0_> also, why it would want to rename to /elinks instead of .config/elinks
2020-12-09T18:51:37 #kisslinux <micr0_> but yeah good job cleaning up home
2020-12-09T18:56:47 #kisslinux <micr0_> also fanboimsft goku avatar and `bloat/` dir is fantastic
2020-12-09T18:57:19 #kisslinux <nerditup> micr0_: looks like you've duplicated your login somehow
2020-12-09T18:57:21 #kisslinux <acheam> micr0_: I dont, so i'm really not sure. Anyways it still gave me good advice
2020-12-09T18:57:47 #kisslinux <acheam> yep were switching between micr0_ and micr0
2020-12-09T19:00:42 #kisslinux <micr0_> nerditup I am testing wireguard by routing through my phones wifi hotspot right now lol
2020-12-09T19:01:06 #kisslinux <micr0_> so im gonna split and rejoin probable a few times and be between micr0 and micr0_ :shrug:
2020-12-09T19:03:11 #kisslinux <micr0_> I wonder what the best place to publish a lightweight 'this week in kiss' newsletter would be
2020-12-09T19:05:37 #kisslinux <micr0_> it would just be me a| reading this week's irc logs and distilling any interesting tidbits b| running kiss log and sharing the descriptions of new packages, and c| looking at this weeks kisslinux/ repo changes or wiki updates
2020-12-09T19:06:12 #kisslinux <micr0_> brb, rebooting to see if i enabled everything wg-quick needs
2020-12-09T19:17:17 #kisslinux <micr0> sweet, I can now roam from home but still use my home connection
2020-12-09T19:17:38 #kisslinux <micr0> wireguard is really nice. just hope that hardware support catches up now that its mainlined
2020-12-09T19:24:03 #kisslinux <nerditup> nice! I've been meaning to get that setup myself
2020-12-09T19:28:00 #kisslinux <micr0> also just did chmod -222 $HOME to see what breaks
2020-12-09T19:33:05 #kisslinux <acheam> ive been using openvpn... am I missing out?
2020-12-09T19:36:33 #kisslinux <micr0> acheam yes and no
2020-12-09T19:36:48 #kisslinux <micr0> yes as in wireguard is faster and simpler
2020-12-09T19:37:41 #kisslinux <micr0> no as in 'if your current setup works fine now, are you okay with breaking it because there is always a chance while setting up something new, especially re: networking'
2020-12-09T19:37:53 #kisslinux <micr0> that said, unless you have a strange setup, shit shouldn't break
2020-12-09T19:38:07 #kisslinux <acheam> well, yes my current setup works fine, and i'm always open to breaking things :)
2020-12-09T19:38:16 #kisslinux <micr0> then yeah, definitely migrate to wireguard
2020-12-09T19:38:50 #kisslinux <micr0> its faster, simpler, and has really good momentum and support
2020-12-09T19:39:24 #kisslinux <acheam> its a pretty simple setup, my phone, laptop and desktop on a vpn to my server's network running the VPN software in a docker container
2020-12-09T19:44:37 #kisslinux <micr0> so my 'home server' right now is just a raspberry pi 4. wireguard is in the kernel, so you just install userspace scripts that parse a simple config file and run the relevant `ip` and `route` commands to setup the connection for you
2020-12-09T19:45:25 #kisslinux <micr0> the only things you need to have is the public ip of your home network, pick a port to punch through the firewall, and choose the network ips you want your devices to have on that network.
2020-12-09T19:46:06 #kisslinux <micr0> each device generates a keypair, and you paste the public key in each other's config to authenticate/encrypt
2020-12-09T19:46:09 #kisslinux <micr0> thats about it
2020-12-09T19:50:09 #kisslinux <nerditup> how concerned are you guys with pushing all your traffic through your home network? and possibly the same DNS provider?
2020-12-09T19:50:30 #kisslinux <nerditup> like would it be better to setup a wireguard instance on a VPS provider's network?
2020-12-09T19:50:49 #kisslinux <micr0> I manually set my dns to 1.1.1.1 for now
2020-12-09T19:50:58 #kisslinux <micr0> i tried opendns stuff but was too slow
2020-12-09T19:51:18 #kisslinux <micr0> 250ms to resolve. 1.1.1.1 resolved in ~50ms. I might switch back.
2020-12-09T19:51:34 #kisslinux <micr0> you can also run your own local caching dns server easily
2020-12-09T19:51:50 #kisslinux <acheam> nerditup: I use a Digital Ocean VPS, but mostly to avoid my school's snooping, not Comcast
2020-12-09T19:52:08 #kisslinux <nerditup> it's all about trust, baby
2020-12-09T19:52:10 #kisslinux <acheam> And I use 9.9.9.9 for DNS, no complaints. 1.1.1.1 was always very splotchy for me
2020-12-09T19:53:19 #kisslinux <nerditup> TIL quad9
2020-12-09T19:54:33 #kisslinux <acheam> its aimed a bit more at enterprises than 1.1.1.1, but works well, and is fast, free, private
2020-12-09T19:58:18 #kisslinux <micr0> ????.1 -> Your ISP, 8.8.8.8 -> Google, 1.1.1.1 -> Cloudflare. All awful but each slightly less awful than the previous.
2020-12-09T19:58:57 #kisslinux <micr0> You can also download the DNS ROOT files yourself and host your own DNS
2020-12-09T19:59:06 #kisslinux <micr0> and use different ones as fallbacks :)
2020-12-09T19:59:25 #kisslinux <micr0> I have some ZONE files from i dunno maybe 6 years ago that are pretty cool to look at.
2020-12-09T19:59:35 #kisslinux <micr0> Just like, ALL the .com and .org registered domains as plain text
2020-12-09T20:48:09 #kisslinux <micr0> alright spent an hour or so cleaning up home. went from 255 files and directories to 93, thats a good first pass
2020-12-09T21:38:22 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> micr0 re: antidot, that's cool! I'll try to put some time aside to play around with it, thanks!
2020-12-09T21:40:44 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> @acheam I have a DigitalOcean droplet with WireGuard but Comcast keeps blocking all routing to DigitalOcean IP space so it's useless when I'm at my parents (they have Comcast)
2020-12-09T21:41:41 #kisslinux <acheam> ominous_anonymou: thats odd. Must be a huge pain, I don't have the issue. Which datacenter are you at?
2020-12-09T21:42:17 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> they're in Maryland just outside Baltimore, I don't recall what datacenter they get pushed through
2020-12-09T21:42:28 #kisslinux <acheam> I meant what DO datacenter
2020-12-09T21:42:34 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> OH, sorry. New York
2020-12-09T21:43:07 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm im there too. They must have been getting a ton of spam
2020-12-09T21:43:13 #kisslinux <acheam> in order to warrant blocking DO
2020-12-09T21:43:46 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> I've had the same droplet IP for... 4 years now? I understand blanket subnet blocking but I had gone back and gotten it reapproved last year so there's zero reason for it to have been blocked again
2020-12-09T21:44:09 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> Comcast outsources their blocklist management to a third party and wipe their hands of any responsibility
2020-12-09T21:44:35 #kisslinux <acheam> makes sense for them I guess to do that
2020-12-09T21:44:58 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> the third party you have to fill out a form and a justification for getting it unblocked. There's no response re: approved or not, and there's no timeline for approval so you have no clue whether they've denied your request or not
2020-12-09T21:45:09 #kisslinux <acheam> i've been thinking about switching to contabo though. $7/mo instead of $5, but much much more powerful servers
2020-12-09T21:45:45 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> and no i completely disagree -- the ISP should *never* be allowed to block my access to *any* IP.
2020-12-09T21:45:47 #kisslinux <acheam> i hate those "fill this out and well never get back to you" things
2020-12-09T21:46:24 #kisslinux <acheam> No no, I agree with you morally, all im saying is that I understand their business decision
2020-12-09T21:46:25 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> I'm literally paying them money to have that access, if they're going to block my access then they're breaking contract in my opinion
2020-12-09T21:46:42 #kisslinux <acheam> unfortunately nobody can stand up to them
2020-12-09T21:47:14 #kisslinux <acheam> hopefully the next FCC guy wont be as bad as the lat
2020-12-09T21:47:18 #kisslinux <acheam> s/lat/last
2020-12-09T21:47:30 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> one can hope