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2020-11-17T05:32:34 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> o/
2020-11-17T05:42:25 #kisslinux <micr0> o/ about to sleep zzZ
2020-11-17T05:43:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I just woke up
2020-11-17T05:43:42 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Winter seems to finally be here
2020-11-17T05:44:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Firefox 83 will be in the repositories in a couple of hours
2020-11-17T05:46:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> (and I'm moving back to Xorg after 2 months (?) of trying wayland)
2020-11-17T05:47:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> why!
2020-11-17T05:48:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Bugs
2020-11-17T05:48:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> :'(
2020-11-17T05:48:46 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Rather annoying ones at that
2020-11-17T05:49:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> my wayland experience has been strictly smoother than my xorg experience
2020-11-17T05:49:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> which I found shocking
2020-11-17T05:49:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Don't get me wrong, sway ran fine and I had no tearing, etc
2020-11-17T05:49:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Just some oddities, weird behavior and bugs
2020-11-17T05:49:57 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Which I'm sure will be fixed in time
2020-11-17T05:50:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> with any luck
2020-11-17T05:50:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> considering wayland has been in development for so long I wouldn't hold my breath :X
2020-11-17T05:51:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> but kde is devoting more time to it, so maybe more bugs will get swept up as a result!
2020-11-17T05:51:38 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Problem is that everyone is doing their own thing
2020-11-17T05:51:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ie, protocol extensions
2020-11-17T05:52:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah
2020-11-17T05:52:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> I think that might just be a common obstacle to protocol-based designs though...
2020-11-17T05:52:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> at the very least, they seemed to make that fact a selling-point more than a downside
2020-11-17T05:53:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I think it's an issue of the core protocol being more generic (and far simpler)
2020-11-17T05:53:46 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The desktop stuff must be built on top
2020-11-17T05:54:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I wonder how different things would be had they created some kind of desktop protocol group a decade ago
2020-11-17T05:54:49 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ie, nothing wrong with extensions if everyone agrees on and implements them
2020-11-17T05:55:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> all speculation from me but I think there might have been fearmongering at the time about removing user-choice that they were trying to play around
2020-11-17T05:55:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> this was after-all near systemd ubiquity
2020-11-17T05:55:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> or rather, soon-to-be ubuiquity
2020-11-17T05:56:33 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> There's some truth to that (if only a little)
2020-11-17T05:57:09 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ie, I can't write a wallpaper switcher and use it all over wayland
2020-11-17T05:57:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Or a global hotkey daemon
2020-11-17T05:57:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Things like xdotool are out of the question
2020-11-17T05:57:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> (ydotool is not a full replacement and last I checked required permissions for /dev/input(?))
2020-11-17T05:58:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> my simple needs mean i have so few problems xD
2020-11-17T05:58:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> I prefer the compositor-specific implmenetations to what xorg has, where I have potentially a dozen ways to do a single thing
2020-11-17T05:59:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yeah, there's pros and cons
2020-11-17T05:59:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> as a new user, doing something as simple as swapping caps and escape was a daunting and confusing task, even though it's just a single line in a xorg.conf/10-keyboard.conf file
2020-11-17T05:59:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> but then, if your compositor has poor documentation, you're SOL anyway
2020-11-17T06:02:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yup
2020-11-17T06:04:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Firefox 83 has work towards removing gtk+2
2020-11-17T06:04:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> My patch is a little smaller
2020-11-17T06:04:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2020-11-17T06:04:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> and the xorgless builds are seemingly slated for 84
2020-11-17T06:05:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yeah
2020-11-17T06:05:24 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I wonder if X11 vaapi still requires Wayland
2020-11-17T06:05:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> glad to see some people still doing the lord's work on bugzilla
2020-11-17T06:05:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> I doubt they'd fix that problem or that they would accept patches that fix it...
2020-11-17T06:06:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I attempted it multiple times
2020-11-17T06:06:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> didn't the *aggressively* 'wontfix' your bug report?
2020-11-17T06:06:15 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> More or less
2020-11-17T06:06:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> smh
2020-11-17T06:06:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> They did say they'd accept patches though iirc
2020-11-17T06:06:30 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> But this was in an added comment
2020-11-17T06:06:53 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> X11 to Mozilla is legacy now
2020-11-17T06:07:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> (and to well... most people)
2020-11-17T06:07:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> depending on who you ask it's been legacy for ten years lmao
2020-11-17T06:07:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> :P
2020-11-17T06:08:33 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'm going to miss foot though
2020-11-17T06:08:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Great terminal
2020-11-17T06:08:44 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Back to st I reckon
2020-11-17T06:08:57 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Though I may look at others
2020-11-17T06:09:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> i've been using st on KDE and I just hate it so much more knowing foot exists
2020-11-17T06:09:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> the redraw times are obscene
2020-11-17T06:10:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> There's also wayst which works under wayland and x11
2020-11-17T06:10:18 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> But performance was horrible last time I tried it
2020-11-17T06:10:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah I've become ambivalent towards switching terminals
2020-11-17T06:11:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's just too tedious
2020-11-17T06:11:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> dunno why it's so complicated, we're emulating very old tech ;)
2020-11-17T06:11:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> on very fast machines
2020-11-17T06:12:42 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Terminal emulators today do a lot though
2020-11-17T06:13:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> you would think it'd be easy!
2020-11-17T06:13:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> True color, clipboard security features, images (sixel, own protocol, etc), layout (tiling/whatever), xft fonts (font fallbacks, emojis, etc)...
2020-11-17T06:13:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> just cut the whole problem at the head and disable terminal emulation in the kernel i guess
2020-11-17T06:13:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> What're we talkin' about tonight?
2020-11-17T06:14:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Terminals
2020-11-17T06:14:16 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> And how they all kinda suck
2020-11-17T06:14:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> seeing foot's development i think it might just be due to the open-endedness of the standard
2020-11-17T06:14:53 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> All I really care about is Ctrl+shift+[cv] and good performance
2020-11-17T06:15:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I don't use fancy features (or scrollback)
2020-11-17T06:15:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, I'd have to agree that there aren't any really *great* terminals out there
2020-11-17T06:15:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> i live for scrollback
2020-11-17T06:15:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I just pipe to less if it doesn't fit on the screen
2020-11-17T06:15:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> but scrollback is the only feature I need :X
2020-11-17T06:15:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> urxvt is okay I guess, since it has a decent featureset and is highly configurable while remaining relatively lightweight
2020-11-17T06:15:56 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> urxvt needs perl for ctrl+shift+[cv] no?
2020-11-17T06:15:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> :(
2020-11-17T06:16:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's the one thing it doesn't have afaik
2020-11-17T06:16:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> never understood why urxvt was so popular
2020-11-17T06:16:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> which irks me
2020-11-17T06:16:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's never played nice for me
2020-11-17T06:16:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I used it for a time
2020-11-17T06:16:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> even if you disable the stupid keyboard symbol input mode and all that crap, you still can't paste with the standard ctrl-shift-v
2020-11-17T06:16:45 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> nope
2020-11-17T06:16:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> need a perl thing for it
2020-11-17T06:16:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> I just use a clipboard manager and shift+insert
2020-11-17T06:16:57 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> distros typically pcackage it with urxvt-perls
2020-11-17T06:17:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, but then you have to deal with the trashfire that is perl
2020-11-17T06:17:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> :)
2020-11-17T06:17:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Firefox is the only thing we have which requires perl (official repos)
2020-11-17T06:17:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> And it's just a compile time dependency!
2020-11-17T06:17:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Boy that was painful
2020-11-17T06:17:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'd imagine
2020-11-17T06:18:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> I need it for my kernel since it's incompatible with the perl-removal patch but outside of that I don't think anything needs it
2020-11-17T06:18:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> never mind, apparently pidgin uses perl
2020-11-17T06:18:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> time to see if that can be disabled
2020-11-17T06:18:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'm almost at a no-libressl setup
2020-11-17T06:18:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Which is very cool
2020-11-17T06:19:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> sometimes devs use perl for weird cases
2020-11-17T06:19:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> I mean, sometimes devs use Lisp for weird cases too
2020-11-17T06:19:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's still weird
2020-11-17T06:19:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> (at least Lisp is cool though)
2020-11-17T06:19:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> blis uses perl for exactly two test-cases at configure time for OSX, but configure fails even if you're using linux lmao
2020-11-17T06:19:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> webkitgtk have ruby scripts as part of their build system
2020-11-17T06:19:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> how are you evading libressl??
2020-11-17T06:19:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay, on that topic
2020-11-17T06:19:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> how do you safeuly interact with the internet!
2020-11-17T06:20:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> is it just me or does webkit use an obscene amount of memory?
2020-11-17T06:20:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's grossly inefficient
2020-11-17T06:20:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> when I was using Lariza a single instance just sitting there blank was like 200mb
2020-11-17T06:20:20 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> bearssl with curl, etc
2020-11-17T06:20:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> oic
2020-11-17T06:20:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> and that increased exponentially as new tabs and stuff opened
2020-11-17T06:20:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> god browsers are shit
2020-11-17T06:20:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I still have a lot of libressl use
2020-11-17T06:20:42 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Will see how doable this is
2020-11-17T06:20:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> bearssl is really nice
2020-11-17T06:20:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> qt will ruin the dream :')
2020-11-17T06:21:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly I'd rather use Xaw or FLTK than Qt... I've never had good experiences with it
2020-11-17T06:22:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> then again, I suppose you can't compare those quite apples to apples
2020-11-17T06:22:51 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Getting qt5-webengine to build that first time was torture
2020-11-17T06:23:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> are there even qt web browsers other than Falkon?
2020-11-17T06:23:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> dilyn: You're truly doing God's work with the KDE/qt stuff
2020-11-17T06:23:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> I am literally god
2020-11-17T06:23:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> midfavila: qutebrowser, otter-browser
2020-11-17T06:23:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> there are a lot of qt browsers but they're mostly all the same
2020-11-17T06:23:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ^
2020-11-17T06:23:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> viper-browser is another choice in community
2020-11-17T06:23:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> most browsers seem pretty same-y to be fair
2020-11-17T06:24:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah but qt ones are literally all chromium
2020-11-17T06:24:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> webkit is at least a little unique
2020-11-17T06:24:16 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> None of the "alternative" browsers have anything close to ublock or umatrix though :(
2020-11-17T06:24:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> in how utterly shite it is
2020-11-17T06:25:19 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> We have a working chromium-bin package fyi
2020-11-17T06:25:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://youtube.com/watch?v=97wa7oSfBdY
2020-11-17T06:25:34 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's the alpine binary
2020-11-17T06:25:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> And that's pretty neat
2020-11-17T06:25:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> So you'll need libdbus (or libdbus-stub)), cups, etc
2020-11-17T06:25:52 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Whatever alpine compile with basically
2020-11-17T06:26:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> But I'm a glibc fence-sitter and pale moon apologist so meh
2020-11-17T06:26:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd like to convert to musl some time in the future
2020-11-17T06:26:54 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> musl is nice, hasn't caused issues
2020-11-17T06:27:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> I've noticed it works great with terminal programs, but some of the GTK stuff I use doesn't like it
2020-11-17T06:27:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> and some older dockapps are iffy too
2020-11-17T06:27:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is only to be expected
2020-11-17T06:27:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yeah
2020-11-17T06:27:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> 20+ year old code not compiling against a modern library? who could have seen that coming
2020-11-17T06:27:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Our bigger issue is libressl vs openssl I'd say
2020-11-17T06:27:56 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Can the former keep up with the latter?
2020-11-17T06:28:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm not terribly well versed in that area of things
2020-11-17T06:29:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> is it even a matter of keeping up?
2020-11-17T06:29:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> I feel like libressl people don't want to introduce things openssl people are using
2020-11-17T06:30:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> are either of them moving so fast developmentally that one wouldn't be able to keep up?
2020-11-17T06:40:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> alright, that's enough editing for one night
2020-11-17T06:40:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> dylanaraps: i've pushed a draft of zswap/zram articles to my wiki PR
2020-11-17T06:41:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> and now, bed time. gngn o/
2020-11-17T06:59:30 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Apologies. Power went out
2020-11-17T06:59:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> Rip
2020-11-17T07:00:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> That's happened a few times to me since I moved into my new apartment
2020-11-17T07:00:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> a pair of UPSes are awesome in those situations
2020-11-17T07:01:15 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yeah
2020-11-17T07:01:38 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I do nearly everything from my laptop though
2020-11-17T07:01:49 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> So the battery covers for the lack of power
2020-11-17T07:01:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> Fair.
2020-11-17T07:02:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> I never have any luck with regular laptops so I'm using a desktop PC for the most part
2020-11-17T07:02:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'm just thankful that I have great battery life
2020-11-17T07:02:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> I can't *stand* modern laptops
2020-11-17T07:02:19 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Can easily go the whole day
2020-11-17T07:02:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> Nice
2020-11-17T07:02:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> I've got an old military model that can in theory go for like a week on a single charge... but the parts for it are so expensive that it's basically an overpowered serial terminal
2020-11-17T07:03:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Darn
2020-11-17T07:03:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> Get this: the drive caddy, sans disk, goes for 200USD on the regular before shipping and duty and shit
2020-11-17T07:03:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> oof
2020-11-17T07:03:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> Yeah. And then each battery (it can take two) is another hundred
2020-11-17T07:04:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> the laptop itself, though? got it for a twenty
2020-11-17T07:04:57 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Nice
2020-11-17T07:05:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I love finds like that
2020-11-17T07:05:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> Yeah, they're always great
2020-11-17T07:05:19 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I used to collect old typewriters and film cameras
2020-11-17T07:05:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Cheap to purchase them
2020-11-17T07:05:30 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Expensive to get them running
2020-11-17T07:05:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> I had an X201t with docking station before that. Got the whole kit and kaboodle refurb'd for fifty bucks
2020-11-17T07:05:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Film cameras less so (film / development is what's costly here)
2020-11-17T07:06:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'd imagine. It's not exactly a common thing any more, so that'd be working against you, too
2020-11-17T07:09:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I have a camera from 1953 which still works fine
2020-11-17T07:09:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> $2
2020-11-17T07:09:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> Neat.
2020-11-17T07:10:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> Oh, side note, before I go hunting through github repos-
2020-11-17T07:11:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> Do you know if anyone's packaged an older version of GCC?
2020-11-17T07:14:00 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I don't think so
2020-11-17T07:14:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Which version were you after?
2020-11-17T07:14:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> 8.x ideally
2020-11-17T07:14:16 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> We of course have 9.X.X in the git history
2020-11-17T07:14:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> We might have 8 early on
2020-11-17T07:14:24 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Worth a look
2020-11-17T07:14:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> Hmm. Yeah, I'll check that out.
2020-11-17T07:14:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> Worst comes to pass I'll just mess around with CRUX's GCC package and get that working
2020-11-17T07:17:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> looks like one of the first commits to repo was GCC 8.3
2020-11-17T07:17:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'll try and use that.
2020-11-17T07:18:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Nice
2020-11-17T07:18:19 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Maybe diff the build file with the current one to see if any flags were changed, etc.
2020-11-17T07:18:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> packaging UXP stuff is such a pain
2020-11-17T07:18:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> oof
2020-11-17T07:18:32 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I can imagine
2020-11-17T07:18:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly GCC is the biggest hurdle
2020-11-17T07:18:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> since it's not as simple as a) changing the version number in the package or b) dumping LFS' instructions into a build file
2020-11-17T07:19:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> so I have to actually think for five minutes :v
2020-11-17T07:19:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly I'm not even a huge fan of UXP browsers... I find their JS engines are crap
2020-11-17T07:20:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> and of course because everything is 99.9% JS now, that's a recipe for "uggggggh"
2020-11-17T07:32:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yup
2020-11-17T07:34:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> I think I would have preferred something like Lua be used for web development instead. But I also don't know if there's anything particularly special about JS compared to other languages.
2020-11-17T07:34:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm admittedly a total brainlet when it comes to my knowledge of programming right now
2020-11-17T07:59:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> Aah, man... this can wait for tomorrow
2020-11-17T07:59:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's like 4AM
2020-11-17T08:10:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> :P
2020-11-17T08:10:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Been there
2020-11-17T08:11:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> worst part is that I have classes and stuff to do out and about tomorrow
2020-11-17T08:11:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I already cut class today to fuck around with KISS, pfff
2020-11-17T08:11:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> I blame you :p
2020-11-17T08:16:55 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> hehe
2020-11-17T08:16:57 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> brb
2020-11-17T08:17:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> no worries
2020-11-17T08:17:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yeah, tbh screwing around with KISS has probably taught me more actually-useful stuff than college has, so far
2020-11-17T08:18:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> (then again it's also mostly microshit at the college...)
2020-11-17T08:24:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> wb
2020-11-17T08:24:56 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> o/
2020-11-17T08:24:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Back on Xorg
2020-11-17T08:25:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> real GUI hours
2020-11-17T08:26:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Also... firefox 83 is done
2020-11-17T08:26:42 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> And the ESR
2020-11-17T08:26:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Minimal pain this month
2020-11-17T08:26:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> That's always good.
2020-11-17T08:28:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Firefox 83 has a https only mode
2020-11-17T08:29:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Also options to use system locale for currency, dates, etc
2020-11-17T08:29:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> took them long enough for https-only support
2020-11-17T08:29:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> then again everyone enforces https nowadays anyways
2020-11-17T08:29:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Also global default zoom (though may have been in earlier versions)
2020-11-17T08:30:18 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Also "proper" keyboard controls for media playback
2020-11-17T08:30:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> Blech.
2020-11-17T08:31:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> I wish browsers would just open content in a proper local program instead of doing everything themselves
2020-11-17T08:32:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yup
2020-11-17T08:34:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've been trying to cut down on my usage of the Web as much as possible. it's so ineffecient
2020-11-17T08:34:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> I mean, look at gmail. that's like a gig right there to a single tab
2020-11-17T08:34:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> all to basically just dump plaintext and the occasional image in front of you
2020-11-17T08:40:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yeah
2020-11-17T08:40:09 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Things will change though
2020-11-17T08:40:16 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Also... I now need a terminal emulator
2020-11-17T08:40:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> man, I friggin' hope things change. sooner rather than later
2020-11-17T08:41:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> and on the topic of terminals... since you seem to know a fair bit about programming, how complicated would you say it would be to write one?
2020-11-17T08:41:16 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Depends on your goals
2020-11-17T08:41:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> What features you'd like to implement
2020-11-17T08:41:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> etc
2020-11-17T08:41:42 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> What GUI toolkit you use (if you use one)
2020-11-17T08:41:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> Well, my primary goal right now is to learn how to do things beyond basic maths and stuff in programs
2020-11-17T08:42:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> What I do is look for problems I have and write software to fix them
2020-11-17T08:42:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> Actually useful stuff, I suppose.
2020-11-17T08:42:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> And yeah, that's what I try to do
2020-11-17T08:42:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Reward at the end is that your problem is solved
2020-11-17T08:42:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Your motivation comes from solving your problem
2020-11-17T08:42:46 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Works for me at least
2020-11-17T08:42:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> *nod*
2020-11-17T08:42:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> And the entire thing is a learning experience
2020-11-17T08:43:09 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ie, even if you don't succeed you aren't back at 0
2020-11-17T08:43:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> Yeah, for sure.
2020-11-17T08:43:44 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Also keep in mind that this is all an iterative process
2020-11-17T08:45:07 #kisslinux * midfavila_ nods
2020-11-17T08:45:19 #kisslinux <midfavila_> also excuse the sudden duplicate
2020-11-17T08:45:31 #kisslinux <midfavila_> this is from my phone, pff
2020-11-17T08:45:46 #kisslinux <midfavila_> making eggs and bacon at 5AM because I've lost control of my life
2020-11-17T08:46:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> lol
2020-11-17T08:47:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'm into the habit of going to sleep at 6pm and waking up around 4-5am
2020-11-17T08:47:13 #kisslinux <midfavila_> I'm the opposite
2020-11-17T08:47:23 #kisslinux <midfavila_> I went to bed at 9AM yesterday and woke up at 5PM
2020-11-17T08:48:28 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Been a while since I've done that
2020-11-17T08:48:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> brb 2 secs
2020-11-17T08:50:05 #kisslinux <midfavila_> wb again
2020-11-17T08:50:25 #kisslinux <midfavila_> I want to get around to looking at the Lua stuff the Damn Small Linux team wrote
2020-11-17T08:50:34 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> lua is cool
2020-11-17T08:50:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> luajit is neat too
2020-11-17T08:50:39 #kisslinux <midfavila_> and maybe start writing my own small applications like a calculator and stuff
2020-11-17T08:50:44 #kisslinux <midfavila_> and yeah,luajit is super nifty
2020-11-17T08:51:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I have better performance in Firefox under x11 but worse performance in the terminal (foot vs st)
2020-11-17T08:51:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Grr
2020-11-17T08:51:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Funny enough, I care more about the latter
2020-11-17T08:51:38 #kisslinux <midfavila_> I'm thinking of settling on Lua as a first language because of how you can write in-line C (if I remember correctly... or maybe it was C++).
2020-11-17T08:51:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Specifically scrolling performance in st
2020-11-17T08:51:41 #kisslinux <midfavila_> and what's foot, again?
2020-11-17T08:51:45 #kisslinux <midfavila_> I don't think I've heard of it
2020-11-17T08:51:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> A wayland terminal emulator
2020-11-17T08:51:54 #kisslinux <midfavila_> Aaah.
2020-11-17T08:51:56 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://codeberg.org/dnkl/foot
2020-11-17T08:52:00 #kisslinux <midfavila_> that would explain why I don't know it
2020-11-17T08:52:06 #kisslinux <midfavila_> I don't use Wayland
2020-11-17T08:52:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I tried it for 2 months
2020-11-17T08:52:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Just moved back to Xorg 10 minutes ago
2020-11-17T08:52:34 #kisslinux <midfavila_> I feel like if you're a GNOME or KDE user, or you like tilers, it'd be fine
2020-11-17T08:52:48 #kisslinux <midfavila_> but all the interesting GUIs are for X
2020-11-17T08:53:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Especially the classic stuff
2020-11-17T08:53:06 #kisslinux <midfavila_> Yeah
2020-11-17T08:53:19 #kisslinux <midfavila_> WindowMaker and FVWM are my two favorite WMs atm
2020-11-17T08:53:24 #kisslinux <midfavila_> particularly the latter
2020-11-17T08:53:47 #kisslinux <midfavila_> I used to use AfterStep, since it's sort of between those two, but...
2020-11-17T08:53:52 #kisslinux <midfavila_> it's just *bad*
2020-11-17T08:54:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> yeah
2020-11-17T08:54:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I might swap to fvwm
2020-11-17T08:54:20 #kisslinux <midfavila_> you totally should
2020-11-17T08:54:23 #kisslinux <midfavila_> no bias here
2020-11-17T08:54:27 #kisslinux <midfavila_> :^)
2020-11-17T08:55:44 #kisslinux <midfavila_> although if you're on a multihead system I suggest sticking to fvwm2.6.9 for the time being
2020-11-17T08:55:56 #kisslinux <midfavila_> fvwm3 switched from xinerama to xrandr for handling that stuff and it's kind of buggy rn
2020-11-17T08:56:49 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Only have single display right now
2020-11-17T08:56:53 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> No issue
2020-11-17T08:57:28 #kisslinux <midfavila_> *nod*
2020-11-17T08:57:47 #kisslinux <midfavila_> I have a bunch of old LaCie monitors that I got for cheap, so I have three of them hooked up to my machine right now
2020-11-17T08:57:59 #kisslinux <midfavila_> dual portrait and a landscape
2020-11-17T08:59:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> nice
2020-11-17T08:59:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'll be on again in an hour or so o/
2020-11-17T09:48:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> looks like the source for the youtube-dl package was taken down
2020-11-17T12:18:40 #kisslinux <tink_> Hey, I'm not sure how to add the kernel config options I marked as M to /etc/inittab. Is there anyone who can help me out?
2020-11-17T12:32:43 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Do you mean loading kernel modules ? You just add `::once:/bin/modprobe <module_name>` to that file
2020-11-17T12:47:26 #kisslinux <tink_> I mean the options that you mark as M in 'make menuconfig'
2020-11-17T12:49:22 #kisslinux <tink_> I asked someone in #gentoo about it and they said (e)udev should handle the modules automatically and I don't need to put anything into /etc/inittab
2020-11-17T12:50:55 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> tink_: read section 8 of the kiss install https://k1ss.org/install#8.0
2020-11-17T12:52:20 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> mark as =y. or do what testuser. indicated.
2020-11-17T12:52:42 #kisslinux <tink_> I read it many times over the course of the last three days. I just read it again. It doesn't say anything about eudev handling the modules
2020-11-17T12:54:00 #kisslinux <tink_> I think I all required file-system, disk-controller, and USB drivers are built with =y. I am concerned about other modules that might not be as important/urgent as these.
2020-11-17T12:55:29 #kisslinux <tink_> I can do what testuser said but I don't know what options are marked as 'M'. Is there any way I can generate a list of them so that I can add them all to /etc/inittab?
2020-11-17T12:58:10 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Do you have a lot of modules that need to be loaded ?
2020-11-17T12:58:34 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I have never needed to put kernel modules in /etc/inittab, didn't really know that was something people did either.
2020-11-17T12:59:49 #kisslinux <tink_> @soliwilos: Did they just work?
2020-11-17T13:00:03 #kisslinux <tink_> I mean do they?
2020-11-17T13:00:18 #kisslinux <soliwilos> tink_: Yes.
2020-11-17T13:00:21 #kisslinux <tink_> @testuser[m]: I am not sure. I'll find out how many I need as well.
2020-11-17T13:01:17 #kisslinux <tink_> I don't really want to load any of them as modules but I am guessing for certain options you have to mark them as modules as in Gentoo guides some of them are built-in and some are modules.
2020-11-17T13:01:36 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Depends of course on your setup, such as which device manager and it's configuration.
2020-11-17T13:05:33 #kisslinux <tink_> I just ran 'cat .config | grep =m
2020-11-17T13:07:55 #kisslinux <tink_> This is the output: https://dpaste.com/4GUZLWDKW
2020-11-17T13:08:12 #kisslinux <tink_> If you think I can make any of them built-in, please let me know, I'd love to do that.
2020-11-17T14:19:49 #kisslinux <tink> In .config I set CONFIG_EXTRA_FIRMWARE_DIR="/lib/firmware" but it says 'Copy the required drivers to '/usr/lib/firmware'.' on file:///home/tink/Desktop/websites/KISS%20-%20install.html#8.3
2020-11-17T14:20:25 #kisslinux <tink> I meant k1ss.org/install#8.3.
2020-11-17T14:20:46 #kisslinux <tink> Would it be a problem if I used /lib/firmware instead of /usr/lib/firmware?
2020-11-17T14:24:06 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> No since /lib is a symlink to /usr/lib anyways
2020-11-17T14:26:30 #kisslinux <tink> Oh, is it? Thank you.
2020-11-17T14:41:12 #kisslinux <tink> Strange, I had previously done a kisslinux installation. Now did everything just the same, following the guide (k1ss.org/Install) to a T, but this was much cleaner.
2020-11-17T14:41:28 #kisslinux <tink> Then I ran 'make INSTALL_MOD_STRIP=1 modules_install'
2020-11-17T14:42:13 #kisslinux <raph_ael> philosophical question, are source based distro ecofriendly ?
2020-11-17T14:42:14 #kisslinux <tink> Boom. "sed: modules.order: No such file or directory
2020-11-17T14:42:14 #kisslinux <tink> make: *** [Makefile:1416: _modinst_] Error 1"
2020-11-17T14:47:10 #kisslinux <tink> I just tried running "make modules" but still got the same error when I ran the other command.
2020-11-17T14:53:37 #kisslinux <tink> No, it's a different error, hahah. Now it can't locate modules.builtin
2020-11-17T14:54:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> did you run make first?
2020-11-17T14:55:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> I doubt that source based distros are eco-friendly simply because they would require greater power draw on average...
2020-11-17T14:56:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't think any of those things you posted in that paste actually need to be modules
2020-11-17T14:57:07 #kisslinux <tink> I can make all of them built-in, then? That's great news
2020-11-17T14:57:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> i would assume
2020-11-17T14:57:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean, gentoo wiki should have some good reason for suggesting it, but i don't know what it would be
2020-11-17T14:57:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> care to share the link for where you read that?
2020-11-17T14:57:51 #kisslinux <tink> I might have an idea why it occurs. Now that I checked the output of make -j "$(nproc)" I can say that there are certain errors, rather this one: diff: unrecognized option: I
2020-11-17T14:57:52 #kisslinux <tink> BusyBox v1.32.0 (2020-11-17 10:31:52 UTC) multi-call binary.
2020-11-17T14:57:52 #kisslinux <tink>
2020-11-17T14:58:05 #kisslinux <tink> I think I do have a link. Let me check my browser history.
2020-11-17T14:58:12 #kisslinux <raph_ael> dilyn: never thought of making a binary distro ?
2020-11-17T14:58:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> the diff error is a red herring and can be ignored
2020-11-17T14:59:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> binary distros just generate single binaries though and distribute them to users. source distros have to generate a binary for each user
2020-11-17T14:59:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm almost certain the eco impact is negligble though, and binary distros might use more power solely due to the ubiquity
2020-11-17T15:00:10 #kisslinux <tink> Because I didn't use makeconfig this time (I had already built my .config beforehand), I didn't install ncurses and perl (applied the patch).
2020-11-17T15:00:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> binary distros also have to maintain servers
2020-11-17T15:00:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> and lots of them
2020-11-17T15:00:19 #kisslinux <tink> Could it be because of these?
2020-11-17T15:00:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> those are using power no matter what
2020-11-17T15:00:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> then again I suppose some source-based distros would have a similar impact
2020-11-17T15:00:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> you only need ncurses for menuconfig and perl if you don't apply the patch
2020-11-17T15:00:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> the fact that modules.builtin doesn't exist indicates that make was never finished
2020-11-17T15:02:48 #kisslinux <tink> Warning: Kernel ABI header at 'tools/arch/x86/include/asm/inat.h' differs from latest version at 'arch/x86/include/asm/inat.h'
2020-11-17T15:02:54 #kisslinux <tink> I see warnings like this one
2020-11-17T15:02:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> can safely be ignored
2020-11-17T15:03:22 #kisslinux <raph_ael> dilyn: I see your point
2020-11-17T15:03:42 #kisslinux <tink> CC arch/x86/kernel/cpu/topology.o
2020-11-17T15:03:43 #kisslinux <tink> PERLASM arch/x86/crypto/poly1305-x86_64-cryptogams.S
2020-11-17T15:03:43 #kisslinux <tink> make[2]: *** [arch/x86/crypto/Makefile:98: arch/x86/crypto/poly1305-x86_64-cryptogams.S] Error 127
2020-11-17T15:03:43 #kisslinux <tink> make[2]: *** Deleting file 'arch/x86/crypto/poly1305-x86_64-cryptogams.S'
2020-11-17T15:03:44 #kisslinux <raph_ael> as anyone used kiss with distcc ?
2020-11-17T15:03:44 #kisslinux <tink> make[2]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs....
2020-11-17T15:03:46 #kisslinux <tink> CC arch/x86/kernel/cpu/common.o
2020-11-17T15:03:48 #kisslinux <tink> CC fs/proc/loadavg.o
2020-11-17T15:03:50 #kisslinux <tink> CC mm/percpu.o
2020-11-17T15:03:52 #kisslinux <tink> CC arch/x86/mm/setup_nx.o
2020-11-17T15:03:54 #kisslinux <tink> make[1]: *** [scripts/Makefile.build:500: arch/x86/crypto] Error 2
2020-11-17T15:03:56 #kisslinux <tink> make[1]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs....
2020-11-17T15:04:13 #kisslinux <tink> The perl patch didn't work, then. I guess I failed to apply it properly.
2020-11-17T15:04:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> are you using a non-vanilla kernel?
2020-11-17T15:04:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> that might interfere with it
2020-11-17T15:04:48 #kisslinux <tink> I downloaded the vanilla kernel from kernel.org
2020-11-17T15:04:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's not it then
2020-11-17T15:04:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> hrm
2020-11-17T15:05:19 #kisslinux <tink> WARNING: Symbol version dump "vmlinux.symvers" is missing.
2020-11-17T15:05:20 #kisslinux <tink> Modules may not have dependencies or modversions.
2020-11-17T15:05:20 #kisslinux <tink> MODPOST Module.symvers
2020-11-17T15:05:20 #kisslinux <tink> WARNING: modpost: Symbol info of vmlinux is missing. Unresolved symbol check will be entirely skipped.
2020-11-17T15:05:44 #kisslinux <tink> This is for make modules, nevermind.
2020-11-17T15:05:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> applying the no-perl patch should be as simple as tar xf $kernel_source.tar.gz; cd linux-$ver; wget $perl.patch; patch -p1 < no-perl.patch
2020-11-17T15:06:36 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Has anyone built firefox 83 without X?
2020-11-17T15:06:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> I was planning on trying later today
2020-11-17T15:06:55 #kisslinux <tink> I untarred the kernel, cd'ed into linux-5.9.8, ran 'patch -p1 < /thekernelfile.patch
2020-11-17T15:06:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> those patches weren't merged in 83 yet tho right?
2020-11-17T15:07:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> so you put the patch in /?
2020-11-17T15:07:35 #kisslinux <tink> So I also came across this line: /bin/sh: perl: not found
2020-11-17T15:07:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> if patch doesn't report errors it applied fine
2020-11-17T15:07:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> that would mean that it didn't apply
2020-11-17T15:08:20 #kisslinux <tink> patching file lib/Makefile
2020-11-17T15:08:20 #kisslinux <tink> patching file lib/build_OID_registry
2020-11-17T15:08:46 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I haven't checked if they were, I just remember reading 83 was supposed to be able to build without X. With that said, firefox 83 does complain here about missing X headers.
2020-11-17T15:08:54 #kisslinux <tink> This is || patch -p1 < /sourceedit/kernel-no-perl.patch ||'s output.
2020-11-17T15:09:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> looks like it applied just fine
2020-11-17T15:09:37 #kisslinux <tink> If it says /bin/sh perl: not found but the patch doesn't report any errors, then does it mean that the patch is not working for 5.9.8?
2020-11-17T15:10:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> you could always do make mrproper to clean the source tree and make sure there aren't any hangers on from when make was ran without a patch applied
2020-11-17T15:10:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> the let's find out!
2020-11-17T15:14:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> soliwilos: I think the bug got reopened and it's now slated for 84
2020-11-17T15:14:33 #kisslinux <soliwilos> dilyn: Aww, ok.
2020-11-17T15:14:50 #kisslinux <tink> @dilyn: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Power_management/Guide You can see some options marked as M here.
2020-11-17T15:15:09 #kisslinux <tink> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Qualcomm_Atheros_QCA6174 Here as well, specific to my hardware.
2020-11-17T15:17:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> as far as the power management page goes, that is really up to you
2020-11-17T15:17:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> if you won't use powerclamp for instance, there's no good reason to have it builtin
2020-11-17T15:18:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> as far as the atheros page, it recommends you build cfg as a module because of issues with regulatory.db. but this problem is non-fatal for the system so you shouldn't worry about it unless you'd like to
2020-11-17T15:18:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> in short, you can probably get away with just building them in
2020-11-17T15:20:45 #kisslinux <tink> I wonder if I can assume all 24 modules can be built-in
2020-11-17T15:21:17 #kisslinux <tink> I don't plan on turning them on/off by myself really.
2020-11-17T15:21:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> the only cases I've seen or heard of where things *had* to be built as a module was some amd gpu and some touchpad driver
2020-11-17T15:22:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> can confirm with amdgpu being picky about being a module
2020-11-17T15:22:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> building it in any way other than compiled into the kernel with firmware results in a total lockup on boot
2020-11-17T15:22:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least with an RX570
2020-11-17T15:23:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> it seems that 5.9.8 builds just fine with the patch (it's still going but it's basically done)
2020-11-17T15:23:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> my recommendation is if you are able to build perl just do so and forget about the patch for now and you can tackle it when you have a running system :)
2020-11-17T15:24:50 #kisslinux <tink> I just ran make mrproper without knowing what it did. What am I supposed to do now? Just build perl and the kernel afterwards?
2020-11-17T15:25:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> mmhmm
2020-11-17T15:25:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you don't know, you should ask
2020-11-17T15:25:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> make mrproper essentially just cleans the whole tree
2020-11-17T15:25:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> for future reference mrproper completely- yeah
2020-11-17T15:25:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> what dilyn sai
2020-11-17T15:25:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> d
2020-11-17T15:25:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck I can't type
2020-11-17T15:25:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> deletes a bunch of generated files etc etc
2020-11-17T15:25:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao
2020-11-17T15:25:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't judge me, I haven't slept in... uh... a wihle
2020-11-17T15:26:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> the fact that I can't remember is probably enough indication
2020-11-17T15:27:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> sleep is for the weak!
2020-11-17T15:27:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> exactly
2020-11-17T15:28:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> right now I'm banging my head against the wall trying to get ted to package nicely
2020-11-17T15:28:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> but of course it has its own bespoke way of doing things
2020-11-17T15:30:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> wouldn't be unix if each neurotic dev didn't devise their own unique quirky method
2020-11-17T15:30:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> fair
2020-11-17T15:31:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is an amusingly ancient editor actually
2020-11-17T15:31:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> still supports MOTIF and SysV
2020-11-17T15:31:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> or, you know, LessTif
2020-11-17T15:31:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you swing that way I guess
2020-11-17T15:31:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao
2020-11-17T15:32:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> :wq
2020-11-17T15:32:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> oops
2020-11-17T15:32:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> rip
2020-11-17T15:32:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> one thing I hate about KISS is that I'm now in the habit of typing vi /foo/bar when I want to edit a file
2020-11-17T15:32:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> because vi is just there
2020-11-17T15:32:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> avoid the problem by symlinking vi to something else xD
2020-11-17T15:33:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly that's what I did when I switched from nano to JED
2020-11-17T15:33:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> normally I use TextAdept, but of course that's a pain in the ass to package because it too uses its one way of doing things
2020-11-17T15:33:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> but nano is 'the best editor'
2020-11-17T15:33:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> nano is the best editor for quick edits
2020-11-17T15:33:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> like a few characters and that's it
2020-11-17T15:34:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> no the linux unplugged hosts TOLD ME that it's the BEST
2020-11-17T15:34:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> obviously it is so
2020-11-17T15:34:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay but have you considered our lord and savior ed
2020-11-17T15:34:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'd rather rewrite the entire file with cat
2020-11-17T15:34:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> shit, that should be a challenge actually
2020-11-17T15:34:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> ed only for a week
2020-11-17T15:34:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> imagine writing a thesis or some shit in ed with LaTeX
2020-11-17T15:35:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> pure. suffering.
2020-11-17T15:35:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> I need mind bleach now
2020-11-17T15:35:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> kek
2020-11-17T15:38:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm imagining just editing formatting errors in my thesis with ed and i'm about to have a coniption
2020-11-17T15:38:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> noty
2020-11-17T15:39:06 #kisslinux <tink> It worked.
2020-11-17T15:39:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> make a single formatting error, redo the entire line
2020-11-17T15:39:14 #kisslinux <tink> With the perl patch.
2020-11-17T15:39:29 #kisslinux <tink> I mean after I built perl, without the patch.
2020-11-17T15:39:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's one thing I'm glad about not having to do in college
2020-11-17T15:39:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> no thesis
2020-11-17T15:39:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> thank fuck
2020-11-17T15:40:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> tink: huzzah! now the hard part is over!
2020-11-17T15:40:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> now you just have to finaggle grub, unless you took the universe-brain route of efistub
2020-11-17T15:41:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> my thesis was a dumpster fire :S
2020-11-17T15:41:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> EXTLINUX>efistub
2020-11-17T15:41:18 #kisslinux <tink> Oh well,
2020-11-17T15:41:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> fucking fight me
2020-11-17T15:41:20 #kisslinux <tink> not really
2020-11-17T15:41:23 #kisslinux <tink> Another error
2020-11-17T15:42:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> utoh
2020-11-17T15:42:14 #kisslinux <tink> I ran make install
2020-11-17T15:42:15 #kisslinux <tink> sh ./arch/x86/boot/install.sh 5.9.8 arch/x86/boot/bzImage 2020-11-17T15:42:15 #kisslinux <tink> System.map "/boot"
2020-11-17T15:42:15 #kisslinux <tink> *** Missing file: arch/x86/boot/bzImage
2020-11-17T15:42:15 #kisslinux <tink> *** You need to run "make" before "make install".
2020-11-17T15:42:15 #kisslinux <tink> make[1]: *** [arch/x86/boot/Makefile:160: install] Error 1
2020-11-17T15:42:17 #kisslinux <tink> make: *** [arch/x86/Makefile:274: install] Error 2
2020-11-17T15:42:23 #kisslinux <tink> So I ran 'make'
2020-11-17T15:42:45 #kisslinux <tink> make[2]: *** [arch/x86/boot/compressed/Makefile:152: arch/x86/boot/compressed/vmlinux.bin.zst] Error 127
2020-11-17T15:42:45 #kisslinux <tink> make[2]: *** Deleting file 'arch/x86/boot/compressed/vmlinux.bin.zst'
2020-11-17T15:42:45 #kisslinux <tink> make[1]: *** [arch/x86/boot/Makefile:115: arch/x86/boot/compressed/vmlinux] Error 2
2020-11-17T15:42:45 #kisslinux <tink> make: *** [arch/x86/Makefile:265: bzImage] Error 2
2020-11-17T15:43:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> o.O
2020-11-17T15:43:35 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Wasn't that long ago I replaced grub with syslinux, well extlinux. I like it. The configuration is much simpler.
2020-11-17T15:43:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> it is
2020-11-17T15:43:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> grub is such a trashfire imho
2020-11-17T15:43:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> way too many ways for it to break
2020-11-17T15:44:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it's super overkill for booting into a single OS
2020-11-17T15:44:47 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Don't need it's own tool to generate a config for you..
2020-11-17T15:44:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> right...
2020-11-17T15:46:03 #kisslinux <tink> Well, my clean install apparently became an even dirtier one.
2020-11-17T15:46:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't know how make could report zero errors and then make install fails to find bzImage
2020-11-17T15:47:09 #kisslinux <soliwilos> tink: I see some references to .zst files.. Do you have zstd installed?
2020-11-17T15:47:32 #kisslinux <tink> Yes
2020-11-17T15:47:59 #kisslinux <tink> I picked zstd in kernel config compression
2020-11-17T15:49:18 #kisslinux <tink> Did I do something wrong?
2020-11-17T15:50:01 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Using zstd is fine, just as long as it's tool is installed, otherwise the kernel build will fail.
2020-11-17T15:50:38 #kisslinux <tink> Can I find its tool in Kiss repos?
2020-11-17T15:51:13 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Yes, it's in the extra repo.
2020-11-17T15:54:18 #kisslinux <tink> Thank you, it's building. I am now wondering if I should try building the kernel without perl, using the patch.
2020-11-17T15:54:48 #kisslinux <tink> I'll give it a try.
2020-11-17T15:56:40 #kisslinux <tink> Well, the patch failed this time.
2020-11-17T15:57:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> like a hunk failure?
2020-11-17T15:58:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> presumably the patch would've already been applied in that case, i don't think those files get modified during `make`
2020-11-17T16:16:45 #kisslinux <tink> Okay, it worked.
2020-11-17T16:18:30 #kisslinux <tink> Yes, it was a hunk failure.
2020-11-17T16:18:32 #kisslinux <tink> Thanks.
2020-11-17T16:18:49 #kisslinux <tink> Now let's see if the modules will load.
2020-11-17T16:55:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> borking my bootloader for a week was nice because I could take time away from all this nonsense
2020-11-17T16:56:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> but now I'm behind on my projects :v
2020-11-17T17:58:47 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i tried to get away from grub but i run kiss in a virtualbox vm and it kind of limited my attempts
2020-11-17T18:10:48 #kisslinux <kqz> anyone here using a webkit2gtk browser and able to get videos to play without just straight up crashing?
2020-11-17T18:12:09 #kisslinux <acheam> ominous_anonymou: yeah the virtualbox bootloader can be a pain
2020-11-17T18:12:36 #kisslinux <acheam> kqz: is this happening with any webkit2gtk browser?
2020-11-17T18:16:39 #kisslinux <kqz> yeah, i've tried in wyeb vimb and surfer
2020-11-17T18:16:57 #kisslinux <kqz> just freezes the buffer whenever i try to play a video and have to kill them
2020-11-17T18:17:03 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm weird
2020-11-17T18:20:19 #kisslinux <kqz> yeah no idea whats goin on with it, guessing it might be a gstreamer issue
2020-11-17T18:35:22 #kisslinux <claudia02> kqz: I use webkit with gstreamer. Works well on my end. Do you have all 3 gstreamer packages installed?
2020-11-17T18:59:36 #kisslinux <kqz> yeah, gstreamer, gst-plugins, and gst-plugins-base,
2020-11-17T19:12:38 #kisslinux <claudia02> Have you tried rebuilding all three packages? Has it worked before?
2020-11-17T19:29:03 #kisslinux <tink_> Well I couldn't boot into the system yet
2020-11-17T19:30:48 #kisslinux <tink_> I have two partitions, /dev/sda2 (/) and /dev/sda1 (/boot, which is my Efi system partition). I configured /etc/fstab with the correct PARTUUID etc. and ran the command below.
2020-11-17T19:31:29 #kisslinux <tink_> efibootmgr --create --disk /dev/sda --part 1 --label "KissLinux " --loader "bootx64.efi" --unicode "root=PARTUUID=2b81a915-9750-4355-bef7-eb19ba76ba14" rw
2020-11-17T19:32:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> rw should go inside the --unicode "xxx" block
2020-11-17T19:32:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> ls /boot says what?
2020-11-17T19:32:38 #kisslinux <tink_> I thought it would work as I cp'ed /boot/vmlinuz to /boot/bootx64.efi
2020-11-17T19:33:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> then the loader part is fine
2020-11-17T19:33:23 #kisslinux <tink_> System.map bootx64.efi vmlinuz
2020-11-17T19:34:09 #kisslinux <micr0> tink_ some laptops have a messed up efi bootloader and you have to hardcode the kernel params since they dont get passed to the kernel
2020-11-17T19:34:24 #kisslinux <micr0> so like i had to add root=blah in my kernel config when compiling
2020-11-17T19:34:37 #kisslinux <micr0> even though the efivarfs shows the params are saved correctly, they just never get read out lol
2020-11-17T19:34:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> well first tink_ should make sure the unicode passes rw before hardcoding things lol
2020-11-17T19:35:04 #kisslinux <tink_> Could it be because I am installing Kiss onto a 32GB usb drive and booting from it by selecting my boot device after pressing F12 when I see the manufacturer logo?
2020-11-17T19:35:26 #kisslinux <tink_> @micr0: It is already included in .config
2020-11-17T19:36:54 #kisslinux <tink_> I just checked .config. It says CONFIG_CMDLINE="root=/dev/sda2"
2020-11-17T19:38:15 #kisslinux <tink_> The usb drive was the only one plugged in to the pc, so it was probably /dev/sda2 already
2020-11-17T19:38:25 #kisslinux <tink_> I'll look into --unicode and rew
2020-11-17T19:38:27 #kisslinux <tink_> rw*
2020-11-17T19:43:13 #kisslinux <tink_> efibootmgr --create --disk /dev/sda --part 1 --label "KissLinux " --loader "bootx64.efi" --unicode root=PARTUUID=2b81a915-9750-4355-bef7-eb19ba76ba14" rw
2020-11-17T19:43:25 #kisslinux <tink_> Didn't mean to send this one.
2020-11-17T19:47:19 #kisslinux <tink_> Okay the thing is, my Kiss installation is currently in /dev/sdb, but when I will boot into it, it'll be /dev/sda
2020-11-17T19:47:37 #kisslinux <tink_> So what should I enter for --disk? /dev/sda or /dev/sdb
2020-11-17T19:49:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> well you'd want to say --disk /dev/sda but efibootmgr will complain that that device doesn't exist
2020-11-17T19:50:37 #kisslinux <tink_> There is currently /dev/sda, which is an OS I am booting from another USB drive
2020-11-17T19:51:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh well then assuming you unplug that one when you reboot the usb drive you want should be /dev/sda so use that device
2020-11-17T19:51:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> these entries all get written to the efivars on the actual board and don't interact with any device attached to the system you control
2020-11-17T19:51:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> that is to say, no usb device will know what you tell efibootmgr
2020-11-17T19:52:23 #kisslinux <tink_> Okay, I'm rebooting
2020-11-17T20:00:06 #kisslinux <tink__> Just to make sure I treid both, so there are an entry for each (/dev/sda and /dev/sdb)
2020-11-17T20:00:14 #kisslinux <tink__> Only /dev/sdb's entry showed up
2020-11-17T20:00:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> what do you mean?
2020-11-17T20:00:58 #kisslinux <tink__> I ran efibootmgr command two times
2020-11-17T20:01:15 #kisslinux <tink__> One time I had /dev/sda for --disk and the other time I entered /dev/sdb for --disk
2020-11-17T20:01:34 #kisslinux <tink__> Interestingly /dev/sdb worked
2020-11-17T20:01:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> so it booted?
2020-11-17T20:01:55 #kisslinux <tink__> Yeah, but I got an error
2020-11-17T20:02:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> that just means that your kernel is loading the device as sdb for some reason, there's no deterministic way to fix that
2020-11-17T20:02:23 #kisslinux <tink__> I couldn't copy it because I had no tools for it, so I took a picture.
2020-11-17T20:02:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> lay it on us!
2020-11-17T20:02:38 #kisslinux <tink__> Where do you want me to upload it?
2020-11-17T20:02:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> this is a fun puzzle
2020-11-17T20:03:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> imgur works fine
2020-11-17T20:03:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> or 0x0.st
2020-11-17T20:05:41 #kisslinux <tink__> https://preview.redd.it/px5uqfb1xuz51.jpg?width=1328&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e97c56c21f1f759c4be698530a90931988ea573c
2020-11-17T20:05:58 #kisslinux <tink__> Had some problems with imgur, decided to use reddit.
2020-11-17T20:06:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> it can't find your root partition...
2020-11-17T20:07:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> what's the output of efibootmgr --verbose; lsblk -f
2020-11-17T20:08:50 #kisslinux <tink__> https://dpaste.com/48B99KRD6
2020-11-17T20:09:04 #kisslinux <tink__> KissLinux2 worked
2020-11-17T20:13:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> you've listed a part-uuid as root in efibootmgr; I've never gotten it to work using that. Try the UUID lsblk -f outputs for that partition
2020-11-17T20:14:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> alternatively, you could say --unicode 'root=/dev/sdb2 rw' with the entry for --disk /dev/sdb
2020-11-17T20:14:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> likewise root=/dev/sda2 for the --disk /dev/sda entry to be safe
2020-11-17T20:14:27 #kisslinux <tink__> Okay, I will use UUID instead
2020-11-17T20:15:06 #kisslinux <tink__> btw looking at that list, i think i need a cleanup there, I don't even have ubuntu. At least it doesn't have my past void and funtoo installations
2020-11-17T20:15:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> efibootmgr -b 8 -B will delete the entry 0008
2020-11-17T20:17:32 #kisslinux <tink__> Do I need to edit /etc/fstab as well?
2020-11-17T20:17:54 #kisslinux <tink__> PARTUUID=d48c3305-c394-4c0c-adb5-bf5c092b1266 /boot vfat defaults 0 2
2020-11-17T20:17:54 #kisslinux <tink__> PARTUUID=2b81a915-9750-4355-bef7-eb19ba76ba14 / ext4 defaults 0 1
2020-11-17T20:17:59 #kisslinux <tink__> I used PARTUUID for it as well
2020-11-17T20:18:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> the fstab is irrelevant at this stage
2020-11-17T20:19:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> tho i've always had success with (Part)UUIDs in my fstab so it may be fine
2020-11-17T20:27:50 #kisslinux <tink_> https://preview.redd.it/hhwcbkyw0vz51.jpg?width=1328&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6ea3cdc2fafff6a73490cdc26b69c961ca55c900
2020-11-17T20:28:14 #kisslinux <tink_> I think the same thing happened again but there is more text this time
2020-11-17T20:32:32 #kisslinux <tink_> now trying with /dev/sda2
2020-11-17T20:36:02 #kisslinux <tink> Well, not much changed.
2020-11-17T20:36:28 #kisslinux <tink> Cannot open root device "sda2"
2020-11-17T20:37:54 #kisslinux <tink> Could it be because I am booting from a usb drive and its drivers are set to be loaded after the system completely boots up?
2020-11-17T20:39:07 #kisslinux <claudia02> For all wayland people, you cant have this :P https://ibb.co/PYdNGx4
2020-11-17T20:39:55 #kisslinux <tink> Because according to the report, it says "Please append a correct "root=" boot option; here are the available partitions:
2020-11-17T20:40:03 #kisslinux <tink> And it lists no partitions or whatsoever
2020-11-17T20:40:22 #kisslinux <miskatonic> which wayland composter is used by kiss?
2020-11-17T20:47:42 #kisslinux <claudia02> miskatonic: People run mostly wlroots based compositor through personal repositories.
2020-11-17T20:48:24 #kisslinux <claudia02> This is _one_ repo. https://github.com/Himmalerin/kiss-wayland/
2020-11-17T20:53:11 #kisslinux <soliwilos> tink: You may need to pass rootdelay=5 or possibly higher value.
2020-11-17T20:53:52 #kisslinux <soliwilos> As a kernel parameter in your bootloader, helps slow devices get enough time to be initialized.
2020-11-17T20:54:20 #kisslinux <miskatonic> is mouseless, tiling window management supported by wlroots?
2020-11-17T20:56:28 #kisslinux <claudia02> miskatonic: There is sway, an i3 drop in replacement. Its the most developed and stable compositor you may get.
2020-11-17T20:56:41 #kisslinux <claudia02> https://github.com/swaywm/sway
2020-11-17T20:56:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> did you enable usb disk support in the kernel as a module, or did you build it in?
2020-11-17T20:56:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> there are several options youd have to worry about with that :S
2020-11-17T20:57:13 #kisslinux <claudia02> miskatonic: You can have a look here for some overview. https://github.com/natpen/awesome-wayland
2020-11-17T20:57:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> claudia I hate that you've brought this abomination into my world
2020-11-17T20:57:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> burn the clock
2020-11-17T20:57:27 #kisslinux <claudia02> its cute
2020-11-17T20:57:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's horrific
2020-11-17T20:57:40 #kisslinux <claudia02> I just switched back to xorg to build it :D
2020-11-17T20:59:16 #kisslinux <tink> https://dpaste.com/4GUZLWDKW These are all the modules
2020-11-17T21:00:07 #kisslinux <tink> I don't see usb disk support there but CONFIG_EFIVAR_FS is there..
2020-11-17T21:00:11 #kisslinux <claudia02> I need to get rid of my wallpaper with pets and get some more unixi stuff
2020-11-17T21:02:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> some of these options are relevant, i cba to determine which
2020-11-17T21:02:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> http://ix.io/2Ew6
2020-11-17T21:02:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> make sure you have at least some of them in your config
2020-11-17T21:03:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> specifically, CONFIG_USB and CONFIG_USB_{X,E,O}HCI_HCD, and CONFIG_USB_STORAGE. off the top of my head
2020-11-17T21:03:32 #kisslinux <miskatonic> forney, maker of oasislinux, invented a compositor called velox, said to look close to dwm
2020-11-17T21:04:45 #kisslinux <micr0> catclock looks amazing. would be a good project to port to wayland xD
2020-11-17T21:04:57 #kisslinux <micr0> is there something like xeyes for wayland?
2020-11-17T21:06:58 #kisslinux <tink> CONFIG_USB_LED_TRIG, CONFIG_USB_LEDS_TRIGGER_USBPORT, CONFIG_USB_UAS, ehci, ohci are not set.
2020-11-17T21:08:45 #kisslinux <tink> I had first enabled ehci and ohci but after reading the gentoo kernel guide for usb I decided to enable only xhci thinking it would support earlier usb versions too as all ports on this pc are usb 3
2020-11-17T21:10:32 #kisslinux <tink> So, do I just add --unicode 'rootdelay=5'
2020-11-17T21:13:50 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I'm not familiar with efibootmgr, but it's a kernel parameter in the same veins as root=/dev/sda3.
2020-11-17T21:19:04 #kisslinux <claudia02> micro: I have not found some wleyes yet. But I stumbled about an port of xclock(non cat).
2020-11-17T21:19:40 #kisslinux <tink> What does rw stand for in --unicode 'root=... rw'?
2020-11-17T21:20:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> read-write
2020-11-17T21:20:22 #kisslinux <tink> I am not sure if it's okay to run efibootmgr --create --disk /dev/sda --part 1 --label "KissLinux " --loader "bootx64.efi" --unicode 'root=/dev/sda2 rw'--unicode 'rootdelay=5' or if I need rw again after rootdelay=5
2020-11-17T21:20:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> you could do ro if you wanted it mounted read-only
2020-11-17T21:20:34 #kisslinux <tink> oh it's rw, okay
2020-11-17T21:20:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> just put it all in a single unicode string
2020-11-17T21:20:52 #kisslinux <tink> Alright will be merging them
2020-11-17T21:20:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> so --unicode 'root=/dev/sda2 rw rootdelay=5'
2020-11-17T21:26:01 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Looks good.
2020-11-17T21:34:10 #kisslinux <claudia02> catclock in an cosy enviroment. Not just for dilyn. https://ibb.co/DPBLjfk
2020-11-17T21:34:10 #kisslinux <tink> so I finally managed to see the login screen, but I could not login because there was still something wrong
2020-11-17T21:36:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> what was wrong? no keyboard?
2020-11-17T21:36:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> claudia: you're a monster
2020-11-17T21:37:10 #kisslinux <claudia02> feels good :p
2020-11-17T21:39:04 #kisslinux <tink> I had to type exit twice or three times to get to the login screen
2020-11-17T21:40:40 #kisslinux <tink> https://www.reddit.com/user/sabrtorte/comments/jw26sy/n1n2n3/
2020-11-17T21:40:44 #kisslinux <tink> You can see the images here
2020-11-17T21:41:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> strikes me as *now* we have an fstab error
2020-11-17T21:42:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> see the second image, "fsck.ext4:" lines and below; failed to mount your drives
2020-11-17T21:42:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> cat /etc/fstab ?
2020-11-17T21:43:14 #kisslinux <tink> # <file system> <dir> <type> <options> <dump> <pass>
2020-11-17T21:43:14 #kisslinux <tink> PARTUUID=d48c3305-c394-4c0c-adb5-bf5c092b1266 /boot vfat defaults 0 2
2020-11-17T21:43:14 #kisslinux <tink> PARTUUID=2b81a915-9750-4355-bef7-eb19ba76ba14 / ext4 defaults 0 1
2020-11-17T21:43:14 #kisslinux <tink> tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults,nosuid,nodev 0 0
2020-11-17T21:44:54 #kisslinux <claudia02> Shouldnt this be UUID?
2020-11-17T21:45:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> you can use part uuids
2020-11-17T21:45:31 #kisslinux <tink> According to Arch wiki it could be partuuid as well
2020-11-17T21:45:31 #kisslinux <claudia02> the "number" is right. But replace PARTUUID with UUID
2020-11-17T21:45:39 #kisslinux <tink> oh
2020-11-17T21:45:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh
2020-11-17T21:45:48 #kisslinux <claudia02> this is ah UUID :D
2020-11-17T21:45:50 #kisslinux <tink> i wrote the uuid
2020-11-17T21:45:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao yeah
2020-11-17T21:45:59 #kisslinux <claudia02> I have UUID in my fstab
2020-11-17T21:47:43 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> claudia02: never seen catclock before. brilliant.
2020-11-17T21:49:07 #kisslinux <claudia02> mcpcpc[m]: I have found it here https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/jtides/rio_neon/ . Seems to be a plan9 relict.
2020-11-17T21:49:41 #kisslinux <tink> If these are uuid below, then what are those
2020-11-17T21:49:51 #kisslinux <tink> dev/sda2: UUID="b437243c-0bb0-4eec-9990-6ef84ed26d0d" TYPE="ext4"
2020-11-17T21:50:02 #kisslinux <tink> dev/sda1: UUID="F944-83F3" TYPE="vfat"
2020-11-17T21:50:17 #kisslinux <tink> they should be partuuids
2020-11-17T21:52:36 #kisslinux <tink> I'll use /dev.
2020-11-17T21:57:56 #kisslinux <claudia02> UUID are the long ones. PARTUUID the short ones
2020-11-17T21:59:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> one is impossibly long, the other uncomfortably long
2020-11-17T22:27:54 #kisslinux <tink> I didn't set a root password
2020-11-17T22:28:29 #kisslinux <tink> Anyway, it booted fine after fixing /etc/fstab. Thanks
2020-11-17T22:34:16 #kisslinux <claudia02> tink: whoop whoop. gj
2020-11-17T22:49:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> huzzah, a success story