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2020-10-20T00:02:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> super late to the convo about packaging
2020-10-20T00:02:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> but Linux From Scratch also provides great info for writing KISS packages
2020-10-20T00:02:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> as well as sources and patches and the like
2020-10-20T00:19:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's one of the three places i check for packaging help
2020-10-20T00:59:24 #kisslinux <Rio6> why do some packages need eudev? does it provide functionalities that things lime mdev doesn't?
2020-10-20T01:30:06 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> Rio6, it's part of the systemd takeover strategy. udev has been made part of systemd and udev itself a dependency on some key components
2020-10-20T01:35:43 #kisslinux <Rio6> seems like xorg would need the most work if i want to remove it
2020-10-20T01:35:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> libudev-zero is a drop-in replacement
2020-10-20T01:36:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> dylanaraps: https://codeberg.org/dnkl/foot/issues/170
2020-10-20T01:36:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> foot will no longer need compose files to launch
2020-10-20T01:37:40 #kisslinux <Rio6> how does libudev-zero work
2020-10-20T01:38:00 #kisslinux <Rio6> do i need to run like mdev alone side
2020-10-20T01:38:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://github.com/illiliti/libudev-zero
2020-10-20T01:38:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> you don't *need* a device manager. I ran without one for months
2020-10-20T01:40:09 #kisslinux <Rio6> looks like it's only needed for for plugging
2020-10-20T01:40:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> pretty much
2020-10-20T01:40:28 #kisslinux <Rio6> but can use what ever, i'm guessing
2020-10-20T01:40:50 #kisslinux <Rio6> busy box mdev or other things
2020-10-20T01:41:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> or the kernel!
2020-10-20T01:41:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> it reads uevents
2020-10-20T01:41:49 #kisslinux <Rio6> kernel can do it?
2020-10-20T01:41:58 #kisslinux <Rio6> whats the point of everything else then
2020-10-20T01:42:02 #kisslinux <Rio6> :p
2020-10-20T01:42:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> ¯_(ツ)_/¯
2020-10-20T01:45:13 #kisslinux <Rio6> i think kernel can mount /dev too
2020-10-20T01:45:23 #kisslinux <Rio6> I want to reduce my mount script
2020-10-20T01:45:28 #kisslinux <Rio6> to a single mount -@
2020-10-20T01:45:33 #kisslinux <Rio6> -a
2020-10-20T01:45:51 #kisslinux <Rio6> does /sys gets mounted?
2020-10-20T01:49:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm not seeing it
2020-10-20T01:50:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> is /sys needed so early? couldn't you just add it to fstab?
2020-10-20T01:50:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> (I don't honestly know the answer)
2020-10-20T02:20:13 #kisslinux <nerditup> Now I want to try and run without a device manager
2020-10-20T02:32:51 #kisslinux <nerditup> Noticed they linked to pure sh bible in hacker news again
2020-10-20T02:32:57 #kisslinux <nerditup> Classic
2020-10-20T03:50:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> So, in today's troubleshooting adventures, I wiped CRUX and I'm using Puppy as a liveboot host... this time when it boots it hangs after GRUB loads the kernel without any useful errors
2020-10-20T03:50:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> but hey! keyboard input is working now, so we have to count the upsides, I guess
2020-10-20T04:43:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> welp, booting to a login prompt... with no keyboard input, again...
2020-10-20T04:43:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> *sigh*
2020-10-20T04:57:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay, finally, after four days of fucking around and redoing everything, it's finally working
2020-10-20T04:57:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> time to compile all the xorg stuff
2020-10-20T05:19:35 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> o/
2020-10-20T05:22:28 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Apologies for not being around. To keep things short... someone poisoned my cats. Three have passed away the last couple days.
2020-10-20T05:24:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> dilynm: Saw your issue yesterday. Great news for foot. Keeps getting better.
2020-10-20T05:38:09 #kisslinux <dilynm> dylanaraps: I'm so incredibly sorry to hear that :'(
2020-10-20T06:01:59 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> dylanaraps: i can't update `ccache` cmake have no permission says
2020-10-20T06:02:22 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> "/home/eudaldgr/var/kiss/repos/repo/extra/ccache/build: line 7: cmake: Permission denied"
2020-10-20T06:02:45 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> i'm rebuilding it now
2020-10-20T06:06:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I can't reproduce at all
2020-10-20T06:06:57 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Does running 'cmake' in the terminal work?
2020-10-20T06:32:35 #kisslinux <konimex> by the way, you missed the cmake makedep on ccache
2020-10-20T06:34:56 #kisslinux <konimex> also today ff82 should be released iirc
2020-10-20T06:39:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> konimex: Thanks. I'm building Firefox right now actually. :P
2020-10-20T08:08:53 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> dylanaraps: i can update after rebuild cmake
2020-10-20T08:08:58 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> thanks
2020-10-20T08:10:01 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> dilyn: the option session_traking can't be 'yes', only 'systemd' 'logind' or 'no'
2020-10-20T10:02:50 #kisslinux <soliwilos> FreeType 2.10.4 is an emergency release fixing a severe vulnerability in embedded PNG bitmap handling.
2020-10-20T10:05:37 #kisslinux <soliwilos> https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2020-15999
2020-10-20T12:56:37 #kisslinux <nerditup> >someone poisoned my cats - who would do such a thing?! :(
2020-10-20T12:58:38 #kisslinux <soliwilos> That is indeed terrible.. Cats are amazing.
2020-10-20T12:59:14 #kisslinux <deppy> some people are just sick
2020-10-20T13:00:31 #kisslinux <Rio6> 😢
2020-10-20T13:08:01 #kisslinux <humaid_01> Why would anyone do a horrible thing like poisoning a cat?!
2020-10-20T13:09:14 #kisslinux <humaid_01> Sorry to hear that my friend.
2020-10-20T13:31:44 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> probably somehow the person in question got annoyed by at least one cat, maybe it was shitting in front of his door
2020-10-20T13:35:05 #kisslinux <muevoid> I'm thinking about going about to xorg :(
2020-10-20T13:37:40 #kisslinux <muevoid> Does anyone know of a way to get emacs to work on wayland without X?
2020-10-20T13:40:47 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> isnt emacs supposed to be a console app
2020-10-20T13:41:34 #kisslinux <muevoid> It has a gui as well
2020-10-20T13:41:53 #kisslinux <muevoid> I use both just want to try out gui on wayland
2020-10-20T13:42:19 #kisslinux <dilynm> Do you mean to tell me the one thing emacs isn't I'd a Wayland compositor
2020-10-20T13:42:26 #kisslinux <dilynm> s/I'd/is
2020-10-20T13:42:37 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lmao
2020-10-20T13:44:55 #kisslinux <malikith> emacs uses gtk3 for the GUI right? Only thing I can think of in that case is build gtk3 with the wayland backend instead of the x11 backend. So you'd have to edit the gtk+3 build script, remove --enable-x11-backend and replace it with --enable-wayland-backend
2020-10-20T13:45:35 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah I have gtk+3 with wayland backend but I wasn't aware emacs used gtk3
2020-10-20T13:46:29 #kisslinux <malikith> I'm pretty sure it does, lemme look real quick
2020-10-20T13:48:02 #kisslinux <malikith> Yeah, so in the emacs build script, you'll change --with-x-toolkit=athena to --with-x-toolkit-gtk3 it looks like
2020-10-20T13:48:28 #kisslinux <malikith> I haven't tried it, I don't use emacs, but that looks promising at least :-)
2020-10-20T13:48:38 #kisslinux <muevoid> Thanks!
2020-10-20T13:49:03 #kisslinux <malikith> Oops I mean --with-x-toolkit=gtk3
2020-10-20T13:51:48 #kisslinux <muevoid> kk thank you
2020-10-20T13:51:57 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> does it support gtk2 too ?
2020-10-20T13:52:16 #kisslinux <malikith> No problem ;)
2020-10-20T13:52:57 #kisslinux <malikith> And yeah, according to the configure script, it says it supports gtk, gtk2, gtk3, lucid, athena, motif
2020-10-20T13:53:36 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> oooh, motif. that one has a beard longer than bill gates nose
2020-10-20T13:53:46 #kisslinux <muevoid> ah xorg is still needed in emacs-27 but in emacs-28 they are gonna have proper gtk3 support which means native wayland support
2020-10-20T13:54:21 #kisslinux <malikith> Ah dang, well, at least it's coming
2020-10-20T13:55:21 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah i'll just stick with the terminal version for now. I may pull down latest git and see if it usable currently
2020-10-20T13:59:20 #kisslinux <muevoid> Found where it is stored away at currently they are looking to get it merged https://github.com/masm11/emacs
2020-10-20T14:00:50 #kisslinux <muevoid> How do you specify a branch in sources for kiss?
2020-10-20T14:07:57 #kisslinux <muevoid> Nvm
2020-10-20T14:25:52 #kisslinux <muevoid> I think it will work but unfortunately needs gobject-introspection
2020-10-20T14:30:52 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> is anyone else getting a bunch of missing *.la file errors when building updates? I've had it happen libexpat.la with gtk+3, libharfbuzz.la with xorg-server, and libX11.la with imlib2
2020-10-20T14:36:18 #kisslinux <micr0> ominous_anonymou so the package manager is a bit .. opinionated, and removes .la files before install
2020-10-20T14:36:57 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> so this is a depends issue i guess?
2020-10-20T14:37:45 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> in order to keep those files around long enough?
2020-10-20T14:41:24 #kisslinux <muevoid> anyone sure what this means from a gtk app? No icon window available
2020-10-20T14:42:36 #kisslinux <micr0> ominous_anonymou: https://github.com/kisslinux/kiss/blob/master/kiss#L763-L769
2020-10-20T14:44:22 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> micr0 and here too maybe? https://freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux/20200727
2020-10-20T14:48:51 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i deleted all .la files and everything built successfully. I was gone for a bit and that "change" occurred at the perfect time to have me miss it i guess
2020-10-20T14:52:29 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> appreciate the help :)
2020-10-20T16:04:00 #kisslinux <kciN> hb flanders-fields?
2020-10-20T16:10:37 #kisslinux <kciN> Firefox build fails, known bug?
2020-10-20T16:24:07 #kisslinux <micr0> kciN I was not able to get firefox to compile with kiss, had to do it manually
2020-10-20T16:24:09 #kisslinux <micr0> was a big pita
2020-10-20T16:24:20 #kisslinux <micr0> with 82, maybe itll just work
2020-10-20T16:27:45 #kisslinux <kciN> how about I just go with firefox-bin
2020-10-20T16:27:55 #kisslinux <kciN> as i understand its a binary package
2020-10-20T16:27:57 #kisslinux <kciN> ?
2020-10-20T16:29:40 #kisslinux <micr0> yeah i did that but had wayland/sway issues
2020-10-20T17:16:22 #kisslinux <deppy> micr0 it seems like the kiss wayland repos build of firefox is outdated
2020-10-20T17:16:43 #kisslinux <deppy> it doesn't have the rust 1.47.0 patch
2020-10-20T17:18:08 #kisslinux <deppy> I'd compare the wayland and kisslinux/core packages and try to see which parts are needed for wayland
2020-10-20T17:18:17 #kisslinux <deppy> and then add the other new stuff to the wayland build
2020-10-20T17:21:58 #kisslinux <kciN> for some unholy reason some files from /etc/profile.d get sourced on login and some do not when I log in as non root
2020-10-20T17:23:07 #kisslinux <kciN> oops, no, they do
2020-10-20T17:24:11 #kisslinux <kciN> but st can't seem to know some of the aliases until I run '. /etc/profile'
2020-10-20T17:29:36 #kisslinux <deppy> the profile is only sourced when you run your shell as login shell
2020-10-20T17:29:48 #kisslinux <deppy> also, some shells only source ~/.profile and not /etc/profile
2020-10-20T17:31:41 #kisslinux <kciN> i've added '. /etc/profile' to my .profile and it didnt help
2020-10-20T17:32:42 #kisslinux <kciN> I've even copied /etc/profile to my .profile
2020-10-20T17:33:19 #kisslinux <kciN> and chmod +xd it
2020-10-20T17:35:20 #kisslinux <kciN> I've tried putting simple alias bat='echo bat' into my .profile, got error while trying to call bat
2020-10-20T17:39:23 #kisslinux <kciN> also, is there a way to figure out which package provides desired file eg 'libintl.so'?
2020-10-20T17:41:49 #kisslinux <deppy> kiss owns
2020-10-20T17:45:52 #kisslinux <kciN> doesn't work
2020-10-20T17:46:10 #kisslinux <kciN> even kiss owns firefox outputs nothing
2020-10-20T17:49:43 #kisslinux <deppy> then none of your installed packages owns the file
2020-10-20T17:49:55 #kisslinux <deppy> oh wait
2020-10-20T17:50:00 #kisslinux <deppy> did you just type firefox?
2020-10-20T17:50:04 #kisslinux <deppy> you need the full path to the file
2020-10-20T17:51:21 #kisslinux <kciN> full path worked
2020-10-20T17:51:24 #kisslinux <kciN> tahnks
2020-10-20T17:51:28 #kisslinux <deppy> no problem
2020-10-20T17:51:45 #kisslinux <deppy> the command just looks through all package manifests till it finds a file that matches the thing you typed
2020-10-20T17:51:51 #kisslinux <kciN> but I want to figure out what package I have to install in order to get libintl.so
2020-10-20T17:51:56 #kisslinux <deppy> ohhhh
2020-10-20T17:52:02 #kisslinux <deppy> that's harder
2020-10-20T17:52:19 #kisslinux <kciN> I believe it's part of the gettext thingy
2020-10-20T17:52:27 #kisslinux <kciN> at least on alpine
2020-10-20T17:52:56 #kisslinux <deppy> then try installing that I guess
2020-10-20T17:53:17 #kisslinux <kciN> but I cant find gettext package with kiss :)
2020-10-20T17:53:49 #kisslinux <deppy> https://k1ss.org/software
2020-10-20T17:54:01 #kisslinux <deppy> > KISS has no need for:
2020-10-20T17:54:03 #kisslinux <deppy> bash, dbus, fakeroot, file, ca-certificates, atk-brige-*, gettext,
2020-10-20T17:54:05 #kisslinux <deppy> intltool, autoconf, automake, libtool, yasm, shared-mime-info, ...
2020-10-20T17:54:07 #kisslinux <deppy> y
2020-10-20T17:54:29 #kisslinux <deppy> you'll either have to find someone elses repo
2020-10-20T17:54:34 #kisslinux <deppy> or just package it yourself
2020-10-20T17:56:34 #kisslinux <kciN> I'll try...
2020-10-20T17:57:51 #kisslinux <deppy> making kiss packages is very simple
2020-10-20T17:58:02 #kisslinux <deppy> won't be hard
2020-10-20T17:59:36 #kisslinux <kciN> thats one of the main reasons i got interested in kiss actually
2020-10-20T17:59:55 #kisslinux <deppy> yeah, everything is very simple and nice
2020-10-20T17:59:59 #kisslinux <deppy> and you can tinker freely
2020-10-20T18:00:01 #kisslinux <kciN> but after several days of getting everything to work I am pretty tired
2020-10-20T18:00:39 #kisslinux <kciN> and i still dont have trackpad, external mice and nvidia gpu support
2020-10-20T18:01:25 #kisslinux <deppy> welp, I never had any issues with mice or the like, so I can't help you there :/
2020-10-20T18:01:59 #kisslinux <kciN> they should be easy fixes, nvm
2020-10-20T18:02:19 #kisslinux <kciN> at least easier than fucking xorg segfaulting, or kernel panickng
2020-10-20T18:02:44 #kisslinux <deppy> jesus
2020-10-20T18:02:48 #kisslinux <deppy> what did you do that caused that?
2020-10-20T18:03:24 #kisslinux <kciN> did not build nvme support into the kernel despite booting from one
2020-10-20T18:03:30 #kisslinux <deppy> ah
2020-10-20T18:03:44 #kisslinux <kciN> did not build intel graphics into the kernel
2020-10-20T18:04:21 #kisslinux <kciN> basically i tried to remove everything unnecessary from the kernel and ended up removing too much
2020-10-20T18:04:32 #kisslinux <deppy> ah, happens
2020-10-20T18:04:49 #kisslinux <kciN> yeah, I'm relatively new to linux
2020-10-20T18:05:04 #kisslinux <kciN> installed my first distro around 6 months ago
2020-10-20T18:05:12 #kisslinux <deppy> nice
2020-10-20T18:05:21 #kisslinux <deppy> moved from windows then I assume?
2020-10-20T18:05:43 #kisslinux <kciN> yeah
2020-10-20T18:06:16 #kisslinux <kciN> I have learned so fucking much, I love it
2020-10-20T18:06:40 #kisslinux <deppy> it's fun :)
2020-10-20T18:06:54 #kisslinux <kciN> and useful
2020-10-20T18:06:57 #kisslinux <deppy> yes
2020-10-20T18:37:58 #kisslinux <kciN> midfavila how did your gnu install go?
2020-10-20T18:38:15 #kisslinux <kciN> I've just tried installing glibc and it failed
2020-10-20T18:38:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, I gave up on gkiss last night
2020-10-20T18:38:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I managed to get a partially working regular install
2020-10-20T18:38:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> so I'm confident enough in my config to try again
2020-10-20T18:38:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> so far so good
2020-10-20T18:39:16 #kisslinux <kciN> I just cloned grepo and hoped for it to just werk but well...
2020-10-20T18:39:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> oof
2020-10-20T18:39:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, i wouldn't do that
2020-10-20T18:39:58 #kisslinux <deppy> you need to go from the gkiss tarball
2020-10-20T18:39:59 #kisslinux <kciN> sometimes... you just want things to just work...
2020-10-20T18:40:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you want a glib kiss system you should use the gkiss tarball, otherwise it's gonna be a lovecraftian nightmare to manage
2020-10-20T18:40:07 #kisslinux <deppy> yeah
2020-10-20T18:40:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> as an aside
2020-10-20T18:40:55 #kisslinux <kciN> no, I just want stupid dotnet core to work, which requires libintl.so
2020-10-20T18:41:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> has anyone had issues with u/mdev not starting during boot?
2020-10-20T18:41:33 #kisslinux <deppy> I would personally just not touch dot net
2020-10-20T18:41:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> this
2020-10-20T18:41:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> dotnet is totally un-based
2020-10-20T18:42:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you have to, either use wine or another distro in a chroot
2020-10-20T18:42:17 #kisslinux <kciN> I know, I know, but I have to
2020-10-20T18:42:22 #kisslinux <deppy> or a vm, though that might be a bit overkill
2020-10-20T18:42:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> hm
2020-10-20T18:42:36 #kisslinux <kciN> no, it actually worked on alpine
2020-10-20T18:42:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you want to maintain proper compatibility on a nix system you should check out bedrock
2020-10-20T18:43:05 #kisslinux <deppy> bedrock seems a bit messy though
2020-10-20T18:43:08 #kisslinux <kciN> no I have to do some asp work
2020-10-20T18:43:14 #kisslinux <deppy> to be fair, I've never used it
2020-10-20T18:43:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> bedrock is a molten clusterfuck
2020-10-20T18:43:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's also cool
2020-10-20T18:43:42 #kisslinux <kciN> > clusterfuck
2020-10-20T18:43:46 #kisslinux <kciN> > cool
2020-10-20T18:43:49 #kisslinux <kciN> choose one
2020-10-20T18:43:54 #kisslinux <deppy> well, I'm on gentoo at the moment, and it's hard to out clusterfuck portage
2020-10-20T18:43:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's cool in the ways only a clusterfuck can be
2020-10-20T18:44:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> and uh
2020-10-20T18:44:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> portage hasn't got shit on bedrock
2020-10-20T18:44:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> in terms of clusterfuckedness
2020-10-20T18:44:36 #kisslinux <kciN> portage is written in (((python)))
2020-10-20T18:44:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> it abuses chroots to let you do things like use apt on arch
2020-10-20T18:44:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> because why the fuck not
2020-10-20T18:44:50 #kisslinux <deppy> kciN tripple parenthesis cringe
2020-10-20T18:44:58 #kisslinux <kciN> I can't imagine why someone would do such an athrocity
2020-10-20T18:45:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> and god, I hate python, but I'm too much of a brainlet to learn C or something
2020-10-20T18:45:15 #kisslinux <kciN> deppy no
2020-10-20T18:45:24 #kisslinux <deppy> what do you mean no
2020-10-20T18:45:34 #kisslinux <kciN> I mean it is not cringe
2020-10-20T18:45:48 #kisslinux <deppy> nazi dogwhistles aren't cringe?
2020-10-20T18:46:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> freaking out about a random dude on irc is kinda cringe
2020-10-20T18:46:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> :v
2020-10-20T18:46:25 #kisslinux <kciN> the word nazi is cringe
2020-10-20T18:46:51 #kisslinux <deppy> jesus christ
2020-10-20T18:46:59 #kisslinux <kciN> thats also cringe
2020-10-20T18:47:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> lel, he must have seen the way the conversation was going
2020-10-20T18:47:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> or not
2020-10-20T18:47:39 #kisslinux <kciN> maybe he was right all along
2020-10-20T18:47:47 #kisslinux <kciN> kek
2020-10-20T18:49:04 #kisslinux <deppy> fuck off nazi
2020-10-20T18:49:15 #kisslinux <kciN> heck off commie
2020-10-20T18:49:37 #kisslinux <kciN> god I hate this dualizm
2020-10-20T18:50:14 #kisslinux <kciN> or whatever the fuck is going on in (((politics)))
2020-10-20T18:51:38 #kisslinux <E5ten> Like deppy said, fuck off nazi
2020-10-20T18:51:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> >use triple parentheses
2020-10-20T18:51:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> >they're now a nazi
2020-10-20T18:52:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> reasonable and sound logic
2020-10-20T18:52:28 #kisslinux <kciN> I love how people get triggered over stupid 4chan stuff
2020-10-20T18:52:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> either way, I think that was a record for invoking godwin's law
2020-10-20T18:53:45 #kisslinux <E5ten> Dumbass, why do you think nazis use these fucking dogwhistles. It's so idiots like you will be like "oh c'mon they're not nazis just because they use the anti-semitic code that all the Nazis use"
2020-10-20T18:54:07 #kisslinux <E5ten> "it's just some parentheses that all these nazis happen to use, doesn't mean they're a nazi"
2020-10-20T18:54:10 #kisslinux <kciN> I propose new law, as years go on, the time untill that stuff gets mentioned approaches 0
2020-10-20T18:54:23 #kisslinux <deppy> I don't think arguing is going to get far E5ten
2020-10-20T18:54:38 #kisslinux <kciN> sure, bro, if he breathes he a nazi
2020-10-20T18:54:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> I mean, I used to moderate a group with some pretty extreme individuals all over. I'm familiar with dogwhistling
2020-10-20T18:55:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm just at the point where the reactions from people like you have rendered me incapable of caring
2020-10-20T18:55:23 #kisslinux <kciN> not to mention the meaning of the fucking word is even more blurred than commie nowadays
2020-10-20T18:55:53 #kisslinux <deppy> sure buddy
2020-10-20T18:56:15 #kisslinux <E5ten> midfavila: "too many people reacted negatively to nazi dogwhistles so now I don't care when people use them"
2020-10-20T18:56:29 #kisslinux <E5ten> "reasonable and sound logic"
2020-10-20T18:56:38 #kisslinux <kciN> besides why on earth would a member of some political group or whatever would want to (((dogwhistle))) in a fucking tech irc
2020-10-20T18:57:00 #kisslinux <E5ten> You tell me, I'm not the one doing it, you are
2020-10-20T18:57:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> Pretty much, yeah. I'm more exhausted with people having a reddit moment over ((())) than the ocassional use of ((()))
2020-10-20T18:57:22 #kisslinux <E5ten> "I'm more exhausted with people complaining about nazis than nazis"
2020-10-20T18:57:24 #kisslinux <deppy> "I'm more upset people are worried about nazis than people bein nazis"
2020-10-20T18:57:27 #kisslinux <deppy> lmao
2020-10-20T18:57:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> considering using a meme is now enough to brand someone a nazi, yeah
2020-10-20T18:57:49 #kisslinux <kciN> ayyy, you guys have such a diverse thoughts
2020-10-20T18:57:53 #kisslinux <deppy> how is a nazi dogwhistle a meme
2020-10-20T18:58:05 #kisslinux <kciN> > pepes
2020-10-20T18:58:13 #kisslinux <kciN> > ok sign
2020-10-20T18:58:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> a meme is any sort of viral content, dude
2020-10-20T18:58:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> social genes or whatever
2020-10-20T18:58:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> doesn't have to be a top text bottom text post
2020-10-20T18:58:41 #kisslinux <kciN> > (((insert your favorite character))) was right
2020-10-20T18:59:07 #kisslinux <deppy> ok but I don't see why anyone who is not alt right would use alt right dogwhistles
2020-10-20T18:59:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> >alt right
2020-10-20T18:59:18 #kisslinux <kciN> some people just cant stop imagining (((him))) everywhere
2020-10-20T18:59:27 #kisslinux <deppy> there is nothing funyn about it, there is no punchline, what's the joke?
2020-10-20T18:59:32 #kisslinux <deppy> funny*
2020-10-20T18:59:35 #kisslinux <E5ten> midfavila: So if dogwhistles are things meant to signal terrible shit to people who are in on them, but appear innocuous to others, and you know these are dogwhistles, and are acting like they're innocuous, that kinda makes you a fucking idiot doesn't it
2020-10-20T18:59:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> the joke is that you think they're a significant element in society
2020-10-20T18:59:46 #kisslinux <kciN> deppy your reaction
2020-10-20T18:59:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> to the point that you're freaking out in a chat about an obscure unix-like
2020-10-20T19:00:07 #kisslinux <deppy> you can claim to be ironic all you want but in the end you're still signaling the ideologies and allowing those who support them to grow
2020-10-20T19:00:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> idk dude I'm just here for the gnu+funnies
2020-10-20T19:01:00 #kisslinux <muevoid> I don't understand what is going on?
2020-10-20T19:01:05 #kisslinux <deppy> check logs
2020-10-20T19:01:24 #kisslinux <kciN> I dont care if any ideology grows, even "awful" ones, quite the oposite, I like diversity in thought
2020-10-20T19:01:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> kciN used ((())) so now deppy and E5ten are freaking
2020-10-20T19:01:43 #kisslinux <deppy> you don't care if there are more nazis?
2020-10-20T19:01:48 #kisslinux <kciN> no I dont
2020-10-20T19:01:57 #kisslinux <muevoid> What is ((())) i'm out of the loop
2020-10-20T19:01:58 #kisslinux <deppy> you do not mind more people who advocate for the genocide of innocents?
2020-10-20T19:02:03 #kisslinux <E5ten> How unreasonable of us to complain about the guy using the "I'm a nazi" signal
2020-10-20T19:02:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's a meme used on 4chan by a lot of /pol/lacks
2020-10-20T19:02:14 #kisslinux <E5ten> Much more unreasonable than using the "I'm a nazi" signal
2020-10-20T19:02:17 #kisslinux <kciN> I dont, really
2020-10-20T19:02:20 #kisslinux <deppy> it's not a fucking meme
2020-10-20T19:02:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, it is dude
2020-10-20T19:02:28 #kisslinux <deppy> muevoid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_parentheses
2020-10-20T19:02:39 #kisslinux <kciN> > citing wikipedia
2020-10-20T19:02:49 #kisslinux <deppy> convenient place to get a definition from
2020-10-20T19:02:57 #kisslinux <kciN> totally unbiased
2020-10-20T19:03:02 #kisslinux <deppy> never said that
2020-10-20T19:03:08 #kisslinux <kciN> especially when it comes to politics
2020-10-20T19:03:11 #kisslinux <deppy> no source is unbiased
2020-10-20T19:03:21 #kisslinux <E5ten> It's literally used to signal to other nazis that someone is a Jew and should be harassed
2020-10-20T19:03:23 #kisslinux <muevoid> The fuck is wrong with you kciN
2020-10-20T19:03:25 #kisslinux <E5ten> That's not a fucking meme
2020-10-20T19:03:38 #kisslinux <deppy> oh yeah they might have some hot political takes like "DO NOT ADVOCATE FOR GENOCIDE"
2020-10-20T19:03:42 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah that isn't a fucking meme
2020-10-20T19:03:51 #kisslinux <E5ten> muevoid: what's wrong with them is they're a nazi
2020-10-20T19:04:22 #kisslinux <muevoid> Almost 1million people if not more died in camps
2020-10-20T19:04:31 #kisslinux <muevoid> And you think it is a meme
2020-10-20T19:04:49 #kisslinux <kciN> nah, tens of milions died in gulags
2020-10-20T19:04:59 #kisslinux <kciN> and yes we joke about gulags
2020-10-20T19:05:05 #kisslinux <deppy> ok, we're not talking about the war crimes of the soviet union
2020-10-20T19:05:12 #kisslinux <deppy> don't you start deflecting
2020-10-20T19:05:13 #kisslinux <E5ten> And midfavila, maybe reconsider running cover for nazis just because you find people complaining about nazis "exhausting"
2020-10-20T19:05:30 #kisslinux <E5ten> They're not worth debating, fascists never debate in good faith
2020-10-20T19:05:42 #kisslinux <kciN> talk about faschism
2020-10-20T19:05:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm not really doing anything here lel
2020-10-20T19:06:09 #kisslinux <E5ten> And I know dylanaraps has said he's against any kind of speech regulation but I strongly feel that nazis using dogwhistles should be banned
2020-10-20T19:06:24 #kisslinux <kciN> > YOU CANT JUST SIT THERE WHEN SOMEONE DISAGREES WITH ME OR I GET TRIGGERED BY A MEME
2020-10-20T19:06:45 #kisslinux <kciN> lol based
2020-10-20T19:06:47 #kisslinux <E5ten> Trying to frame nazi dogwhistles as a meme isn't gonna work
2020-10-20T19:06:48 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> kek
2020-10-20T19:07:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> good thing you're not a mod E5ten
2020-10-20T19:07:24 #kisslinux <kciN> wait, lemme do this
2020-10-20T19:07:33 #kisslinux <E5ten> And they didn't "just sit there", they defended you against accusations of being a nazi despite using nazi dogwhistles, that's siding with nazis, not "just sitting there"
2020-10-20T19:07:36 #kisslinux <kciN> > MUH 6 GORRILION
2020-10-20T19:07:46 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> oh look gender-neutral newspeak: "wrong with them is they're"
2020-10-20T19:07:51 #kisslinux <kciN> okay, now ur ready to lynch me, aint you?
2020-10-20T19:08:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> at this point I'd rather side with kciN than you, E5
2020-10-20T19:08:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> you're being a massive cunt
2020-10-20T19:08:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> :v
2020-10-20T19:09:02 #kisslinux <mussolini> did somebody say fascism
2020-10-20T19:09:24 #kisslinux <kciN> be careful, peeps, do not include two sequential h's in your nick
2020-10-20T19:09:37 #kisslinux <kciN> or god forbids 88 or some shit like that
2020-10-20T19:10:08 #kisslinux <kciN> NUMBERS, LETTERS AND PARENTHESES SHALL BE BANNED
2020-10-20T19:10:23 #kisslinux <deppy> ban me daddy
2020-10-20T19:11:37 #kisslinux <E5ten> Yeah it would be terrible if people weren't allowed in a chat for saying heil hitler, that would really be a ridiculous restriction
2020-10-20T19:11:44 #kisslinux <mussolini> Let us not ban the opposition, but rather mock and ridicule them openly, or challenge them to an intellectual exchange of ideas or debate, if they be worthy
2020-10-20T19:12:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> based mussolini
2020-10-20T19:12:06 #kisslinux <kciN> nah bro, just cancell them
2020-10-20T19:12:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> :v
2020-10-20T19:12:12 #kisslinux <kciN> thats much easier
2020-10-20T19:12:23 #kisslinux <deppy> :)
2020-10-20T19:13:37 #kisslinux <kciN> anyways, gotta go make aryan race great again, see you guys in lebensraum or whatever
2020-10-20T19:13:43 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> E5ten, do you believe men were on the moon?
2020-10-20T19:17:13 #kisslinux <obsessive[m]1> only woman
2020-10-20T19:23:53 #kisslinux <dilynm> This chat became toxic mad fast
2020-10-20T19:24:23 #kisslinux <dilynm> Doesn't it merely boil down to the fact that there is no good reason to use nazi dogwhistles unless you ARE a nazi? It seems so simple and obvious
2020-10-20T19:24:38 #kisslinux <E5ten> Yes
2020-10-20T19:24:52 #kisslinux <deppy> well yeah
2020-10-20T19:25:15 #kisslinux <deppy> but since they are nazis they are arguing against that
2020-10-20T19:25:25 #kisslinux <deppy> in order to avoid admitting that they are
2020-10-20T19:26:12 #kisslinux <dilynm> At least they out themselves nowadays. It was way harder to find nazis ten years ago
2020-10-20T19:26:18 #kisslinux <deppy> either that or they've actually been fooled by other nazis into thinking it's actually not
2020-10-20T19:26:22 #kisslinux <deppy> but I seriously doubt that
2020-10-20T19:26:44 #kisslinux <deppy> > At least they out themselfs
2020-10-20T19:26:46 #kisslinux <deppy> not really
2020-10-20T19:26:52 #kisslinux <deppy> they always maintain deniability
2020-10-20T19:27:11 #kisslinux <dilynm> I mean if they don't want to be honest with themselves that's not really our problem
2020-10-20T19:27:28 #kisslinux <E5ten> It is when they're here spewing nazi bullshit
2020-10-20T19:27:28 #kisslinux <dilynm> Either they're a nazi or they have poor taste, either way the response is the same
2020-10-20T19:27:31 #kisslinux <deppy> it's just so they can claim that the people who call them out are commies and equally bad
2020-10-20T19:27:49 #kisslinux <deppy> and then the third party observing will think the nazis are in the right
2020-10-20T19:27:57 #kisslinux <dilynm> People are idiots.
2020-10-20T19:28:02 #kisslinux <deppy> true that.
2020-10-20T19:28:05 #kisslinux <E5ten> I sure am, and anyone saying nazis and communists are "equally bad" is likely a nazi
2020-10-20T19:28:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> are you guys still on this?
2020-10-20T19:28:16 #kisslinux <dilynm> Lol
2020-10-20T19:28:21 #kisslinux <deppy> evidently
2020-10-20T19:28:23 #kisslinux <deppy> we are
2020-10-20T19:28:56 #kisslinux <dilynm> Sorry I just wanted to hop onto this high horse
2020-10-20T19:28:59 #kisslinux <deppy> E5ten I don't think that's true though
2020-10-20T19:29:00 #kisslinux <kinkinkijkin> apparently i suck at installing things so im just gonna use gnu kiss on my laptop
2020-10-20T19:29:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> to think it all started with someone putting parentheses around python
2020-10-20T19:29:22 #kisslinux <dilynm> import antisemitism
2020-10-20T19:29:30 #kisslinux <deppy> definently in this context, but generally there are plenty of people who are just stupid
2020-10-20T19:29:44 #kisslinux <deppy> kinkinkijkin what didn
2020-10-20T19:29:46 #kisslinux <deppy> oops
2020-10-20T19:29:53 #kisslinux <deppy> what didn't work to install?
2020-10-20T19:30:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> I get if you're from reddit and think that the memes someone uses dictate everything about them, but like... that's just not true
2020-10-20T19:30:07 #kisslinux <kinkinkijkin> i tried installing wyverkiss but messed up the order
2020-10-20T19:30:27 #kisslinux <kinkinkijkin> took about a week before i got to the point i realized i screwed the order cause my laptop is SLOW
2020-10-20T19:30:47 #kisslinux <deppy> all that LLVM compilation for nothing :(
2020-10-20T19:30:53 #kisslinux <kinkinkijkin> yep
2020-10-20T19:31:04 #kisslinux <kinkinkijkin> compiled llvm 3 and a half times
2020-10-20T19:31:14 #kisslinux <dilynm> It's better just to start with the tarball tbh
2020-10-20T19:40:37 #kisslinux <muevoid> dilynm you convinced me to switch to llvm mue linux now uses it lol
2020-10-20T19:41:03 #kisslinux <muevoid> And I only had to ditch one piece of software
2020-10-20T19:42:07 #kisslinux <E5ten> Which one out of curiosity lol?
2020-10-20T19:42:11 #kisslinux <E5ten> Elfutils?
2020-10-20T19:42:19 #kisslinux <muevoid> libmupdf
2020-10-20T19:42:36 #kisslinux <E5ten> I'll check out why it doesn't work with clang when I get home
2020-10-20T19:42:41 #kisslinux <E5ten> Maybe I can make a patch
2020-10-20T19:44:23 #kisslinux <E5ten> Send build log if you can the error might be helpful
2020-10-20T19:44:59 #kisslinux <deppy> I've had issues with building libmupdf on my gentoo machine recently
2020-10-20T19:45:03 #kisslinux <deppy> wonder if that's related somehow
2020-10-20T19:45:35 #kisslinux <dilynm> I'll check it out rn
2020-10-20T19:45:40 #kisslinux <dilynm> I'm immensely bored at work
2020-10-20T19:50:00 #kisslinux <obsessive[m]1> what are nazi dog whistles and how is it kiss?
2020-10-20T19:50:40 #kisslinux <deppy> things that nazis can say to express themselfs under the radar and I don't think it's very kiss at all
2020-10-20T19:50:51 #kisslinux <deppy> well, it's pretty simple
2020-10-20T19:50:57 #kisslinux <deppy> but otherwise not at all
2020-10-20T19:52:45 #kisslinux <obsessive[m]1> ah boring world problems
2020-10-20T19:58:37 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> to fight boredom, read my conspiracy theories about python and gtk https://sabotage-linux.github.io/blog/8/
2020-10-20T20:05:17 #kisslinux <himmalerin> micr0: FF 82 seems to be building fine so far, hopefully i can push that today
2020-10-20T20:06:50 #kisslinux <muevoid> It's something to do with ld E5ten
2020-10-20T20:07:38 #kisslinux <muevoid> :copy
2020-10-20T20:07:40 #kisslinux <muevoid> oops
2020-10-20T20:08:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> sh4rm4^bnc Nice post
2020-10-20T20:08:26 #kisslinux <deppy> fun read
2020-10-20T20:08:37 #kisslinux <muevoid> Only downside to gtk+2 is no wayland support
2020-10-20T20:08:52 #kisslinux <deppy> not sure if I buy into it
2020-10-20T20:08:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> Eh, not much of a downside afaic
2020-10-20T20:09:08 #kisslinux <muevoid> It's a matter of opinion
2020-10-20T20:09:20 #kisslinux <muevoid> wayland imo is a lot more "kiss" then xorg can ever be
2020-10-20T20:09:32 #kisslinux <muevoid> I should reword not ever be but most likely will ever be
2020-10-20T20:10:07 #kisslinux <muevoid> Also for ip vs ifconfig nothing stops people from using ifconfig does it?
2020-10-20T20:10:22 #kisslinux <deppy> I think more and more distros are dropping it
2020-10-20T20:10:33 #kisslinux <deppy> or at least planning to
2020-10-20T20:10:43 #kisslinux <deppy> I think it's deprecated for now
2020-10-20T20:10:44 #kisslinux <muevoid> Couldn't you always package it yourself? Ik it isn't ideal but still an option
2020-10-20T20:10:46 #kisslinux <muevoid> Oh
2020-10-20T20:10:53 #kisslinux <deppy> yeah, of course you could
2020-10-20T20:10:54 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> the first thing that stops you is that ubuntu doesnt have it installed... so in order to download net-tools package you gotta setup your stuff with "ip" :-P
2020-10-20T20:11:23 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah systemd/udev sucks with network interface names
2020-10-20T20:11:27 #kisslinux <muevoid> python3 I agree with
2020-10-20T20:12:00 #kisslinux <deppy> I don't really care which version of all the software I have to use
2020-10-20T20:12:04 #kisslinux <deppy> as long as I don't have to have multiple
2020-10-20T20:12:12 #kisslinux <muevoid> I do agree with build systems. I wish there was one universal standard for the most part preferably make.
2020-10-20T20:12:24 #kisslinux <deppy> yeah meson just sucks
2020-10-20T20:12:36 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah unfortunately a lot of projects are moving to it :(
2020-10-20T20:12:37 #kisslinux <deppy> qt has their own make system
2020-10-20T20:12:39 #kisslinux <deppy> so does firefox
2020-10-20T20:12:47 #kisslinux <muevoid> I avoid qt all together and firefox ;)
2020-10-20T20:12:55 #kisslinux <deppy> what browser do you use?
2020-10-20T20:12:59 #kisslinux <muevoid> webkit2gtk
2020-10-20T20:13:05 #kisslinux * sh4rm4^bnc palemoon
2020-10-20T20:13:22 #kisslinux <muevoid> I like palemoon but the devs are unkind to say the least...
2020-10-20T20:13:31 #kisslinux <muevoid> *insert openbsd issue here*
2020-10-20T20:13:36 #kisslinux <deppy> if I recall correctly webkit2gtk isn't very secure
2020-10-20T20:13:40 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> tobin is quite an asshole, but moonchild is half-ways reasonable
2020-10-20T20:13:47 #kisslinux <obsessive[m]1> <sh4rm4^bnc "to fight boredom, read my conspi"> nice post. taking MS as an example is quite bold
2020-10-20T20:14:08 #kisslinux <muevoid> Webkit2gtk had issues in the past but lately they have been working on that quite a bit.
2020-10-20T20:14:20 #kisslinux <muevoid> and you can build with webcrypto
2020-10-20T20:14:26 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> obsessive[m], thanks. it's to highlight the difference between a successful desktop experience and a broken one
2020-10-20T20:14:56 #kisslinux <muevoid> And previously the kiss build had a lot of issues but I recommended some changes to github community and at least for me every site works even ones that didn't previously such as gitlab.
2020-10-20T20:15:47 #kisslinux <muevoid> Overall I really like the post sh4rm4^bnc
2020-10-20T20:18:21 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> thanks
2020-10-20T20:18:28 #kisslinux <muevoid> I really didn't want to like emacs :(
2020-10-20T20:18:50 #kisslinux <deppy> why
2020-10-20T20:19:04 #kisslinux <muevoid> It's a lot more bloated then vim :P
2020-10-20T20:19:13 #kisslinux <deppy> as much as people like to meme on emacs, it's nothing compared to vscode etc
2020-10-20T20:19:27 #kisslinux <deppy> it's not a bad editor
2020-10-20T20:19:33 #kisslinux <deppy> well, I don't personally like it
2020-10-20T20:19:45 #kisslinux <deppy> but I don't think that makes it a bad choice
2020-10-20T20:19:51 #kisslinux <muevoid> I use doom emacs cause I don't know how anyone could use the emac keybinds
2020-10-20T20:20:00 #kisslinux <deppy> haha yeah, that's fair
2020-10-20T20:20:08 #kisslinux <deppy> I tried to learn the default keybinds once
2020-10-20T20:20:18 #kisslinux <muevoid> C-x C-m yuck
2020-10-20T20:20:21 #kisslinux <deppy> but I forgot them pretty much instantly after the tutorial
2020-10-20T20:20:28 #kisslinux <deppy> not very semantic
2020-10-20T20:20:35 #kisslinux <deppy> also hurts your hands
2020-10-20T20:20:43 #kisslinux <muevoid> I just love vi keybinds
2020-10-20T20:20:55 #kisslinux <deppy> vi keybinds are nice
2020-10-20T20:21:15 #kisslinux <dilynm> That was a fun read sh4
2020-10-20T20:21:24 #kisslinux <dilynm> Love the link to crun. Rich is wonderful.
2020-10-20T20:21:26 #kisslinux <dilynm> https://github.com/containers/crun/issues/495#issuecomment-695862506
2020-10-20T20:21:48 #kisslinux <muevoid> dilynm no worries if not but any luck with libmupdf?
2020-10-20T20:22:16 #kisslinux <dilynm> Still working on it
2020-10-20T20:22:29 #kisslinux <dilynm> It had quite a few deps xD and I needed to track down gnu m4
2020-10-20T20:22:39 #kisslinux <muevoid> No worries lol
2020-10-20T20:23:31 #kisslinux <muevoid> Completely unrelated but klystrack is a really nice chiptune tracker.
2020-10-20T20:25:17 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> just very CPU hungry
2020-10-20T20:25:35 #kisslinux <muevoid> I don't know of any good alternatives do you?
2020-10-20T20:26:12 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i've been using milkytracker
2020-10-20T20:27:02 #kisslinux <muevoid> Hmmm looks nice
2020-10-20T20:27:24 #kisslinux <muevoid> Imma try it out rn
2020-10-20T20:27:37 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i'd love to try out adlib tracker 2 but it's written in FPC :-P
2020-10-20T20:27:48 #kisslinux <muevoid> what is fpc?
2020-10-20T20:27:54 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> might make more sense to use its DOS version under dosbox
2020-10-20T20:27:58 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> free pascal compiler
2020-10-20T20:28:11 #kisslinux <deppy> welp, going to sleep now
2020-10-20T20:28:12 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> it's hardwired to glibc
2020-10-20T20:28:15 #kisslinux <deppy> night folks
2020-10-20T20:28:20 #kisslinux <muevoid> Night o/
2020-10-20T20:28:30 #kisslinux <muevoid> any way to increase the pixel size on milkytrack?
2020-10-20T20:28:39 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> lemme check
2020-10-20T20:29:05 #kisslinux <muevoid> It's so small on my screen I can't see it lol
2020-10-20T20:29:30 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> iirc there's either a command line option or a config setting
2020-10-20T20:29:36 #kisslinux <muevoid> kk
2020-10-20T20:29:37 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> but i gotta build it first
2020-10-20T20:30:13 #kisslinux <muevoid> http://0x0.st/iDt7.png
2020-10-20T20:31:22 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> will take a min or two, i'm on 800 mhz
2020-10-20T20:31:28 #kisslinux <muevoid> Holy
2020-10-20T20:31:33 #kisslinux <muevoid> What cpu?
2020-10-20T20:31:47 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> core 2 something, but i use powersave CPU governor
2020-10-20T20:32:07 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> because the fan is badly damaged and overheats immediately on higher speeds
2020-10-20T20:32:10 #kisslinux <muevoid> I found it sorry
2020-10-20T20:32:13 #kisslinux <muevoid> and dang
2020-10-20T20:32:54 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> where was the option?
2020-10-20T20:33:10 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> 2020-10-20 21:33:10 building milkytracker (/src/build/build_milkytracker.sh) -> /src/logs/build_milkytracker.log
2020-10-20T20:33:11 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> 2020-10-20 21:36:23 done.
2020-10-20T20:33:11 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> got 0 download errors and 0 build errors.
2020-10-20T20:33:11 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> time spent: 00:04:05
2020-10-20T20:33:12 #kisslinux <muevoid> Config->layout->underneath resolutions scale
2020-10-20T20:33:45 #kisslinux <muevoid> Is there docs somewhere with keybinds?
2020-10-20T20:34:43 #kisslinux <muevoid> Ah nevermind found it
2020-10-20T20:35:30 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> actually i think milkymist is supposed to be used as full screen app (toggled with alt-enter)
2020-10-20T20:35:59 #kisslinux <muevoid> I don't know if it because of wayland but it has major issues in full screen for me
2020-10-20T20:36:37 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> even with F11 ?
2020-10-20T20:36:38 #kisslinux <muevoid> Also I don't get any sound hmmmm
2020-10-20T20:36:51 #kisslinux <muevoid> Ah no that fixed it thank you
2020-10-20T20:37:36 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> config-driver-io
2020-10-20T20:37:44 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> there's alsa and sdl-sound
2020-10-20T20:38:38 #kisslinux <muevoid> Thank you again
2020-10-20T20:38:47 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> yw
2020-10-20T20:38:56 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> btw it has a very neat sample editor
2020-10-20T20:39:08 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> you can create all kinds of waveforms with the mouse
2020-10-20T20:39:14 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> there are some tutorials on youtube
2020-10-20T20:39:31 #kisslinux <muevoid> Kk will check them out
2020-10-20T20:39:58 #kisslinux <muevoid> Hmmm still no sound weird
2020-10-20T20:40:49 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> are you using some demo.xm songs ?
2020-10-20T20:41:59 #kisslinux <muevoid> yes milky.xm
2020-10-20T20:43:32 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i tried this one: https://api.modarchive.org/downloads.php?moduleid=190597#henxel_hump.xm , works
2020-10-20T20:45:47 #kisslinux <muevoid> Thanks will try that
2020-10-20T20:46:07 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah still no sound
2020-10-20T20:46:38 #kisslinux <muevoid> No worries I like klystrack but i'll keep an eye on milkytrack
2020-10-20T20:46:43 #kisslinux <muevoid> It seems nice
2020-10-20T20:47:40 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i've actually contributed some improvements to klystrack's build system... it is pretty "convoluted"
2020-10-20T20:47:57 #kisslinux <muevoid> I haven't really looked at it
2020-10-20T20:48:08 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> and iirc it uses 100% cpu even when idle
2020-10-20T20:49:02 #kisslinux <muevoid> For me it uses around 30% which obvi isn't amazing but it's good enough for me
2020-10-20T20:49:21 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> cool then
2020-10-20T20:52:17 #kisslinux <dilynm> Wow I hate libmupdf
2020-10-20T20:52:29 #kisslinux <dilynm> Requires gmake, defaults to g++...
2020-10-20T20:52:39 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lmao
2020-10-20T20:53:10 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah it sucks. I'm currently using poppler instead of mupdf but mupdf has support for epubs and is faster.
2020-10-20T20:53:38 #kisslinux <dilynm> Also doesn't find pkgconf?
2020-10-20T20:54:23 #kisslinux <dilynm> Jk that one is kissv6's fault
2020-10-20T20:54:32 #kisslinux <dilynm> E5ten: lawg http://ix.io/2BpQ
2020-10-20T20:58:21 #kisslinux <E5ten> dilynm: could you build with V=1 so I can see the ld invocation?
2020-10-20T20:58:34 #kisslinux <dilynm> Yeah I just realized that
2020-10-20T21:01:32 #kisslinux <dilynm> ix.io/2BpU
2020-10-20T21:02:23 #kisslinux <E5ten> looks the same?
2020-10-20T21:02:54 #kisslinux <E5ten> like not identical (only one error at the end) but still no invocations
2020-10-20T21:04:23 #kisslinux <dilynm> Yeah
2020-10-20T21:04:33 #kisslinux <dilynm> Hmmph
2020-10-20T21:04:38 #kisslinux <dilynm> How make verbosity+
2020-10-20T21:05:55 #kisslinux <E5ten> seems like 'verbose=yes'
2020-10-20T21:06:01 #kisslinux <E5ten> (looking at the Makefile in browser)
2020-10-20T21:07:27 #kisslinux <dilynm> What did I always think that was an option for make
2020-10-20T21:08:19 #kisslinux <dilynm> http://ix.io/2BpW
2020-10-20T21:11:28 #kisslinux <dilynm> My guess is it's failing to build the .o file
2020-10-20T21:11:43 #kisslinux <E5ten> I think it's the -b binary that's causing it
2020-10-20T21:12:08 #kisslinux <E5ten> I feel like it's probably not this easy, but try just removing the -b binary instance in the Makefile
2020-10-20T21:13:52 #kisslinux <dilynm> "unclosed quote"
2020-10-20T21:13:54 #kisslinux <dilynm> F
2020-10-20T21:14:32 #kisslinux <dilynm> On the same invocation it fails and spits that out
2020-10-20T21:15:20 #kisslinux <E5ten> is that like a shell/make error or an ld error?
2020-10-20T21:15:43 #kisslinux <dilynm> ld
2020-10-20T21:16:22 #kisslinux <E5ten> so it seems this is for converting a binary file to elf/whatever format the platform is, and lld doesn't support it based on mailing list stuff I've found on google
2020-10-20T21:16:31 #kisslinux <E5ten> might be doable using objcopy instead of ld but idk
2020-10-20T21:17:58 #kisslinux <micr0> himmalerin nice!
2020-10-20T21:18:36 #kisslinux <E5ten> dilynm: can you send the input file that ld is used on so I can play around with it and see if I can figure out a way to do it with objcopy
2020-10-20T21:19:10 #kisslinux <dilynm> Objcopy is acting on that .o file?
2020-10-20T21:19:39 #kisslinux <E5ten> not the .o file, the .o file is supposed to be created by ld from the .cff file
2020-10-20T21:19:49 #kisslinux <dilynm> Aaaahhhh
2020-10-20T21:19:51 #kisslinux <dilynm> Sure
2020-10-20T21:19:51 #kisslinux <E5ten> but lld doesn't support that
2020-10-20T21:21:31 #kisslinux <E5ten> it does seem like to do it with objcopy you'd need the target architecture and format though, and if there is a way to reasonably find the right params for that in the Makefile, I definitely don't know it
2020-10-20T21:21:32 #kisslinux <dilynm> How is best to send this garbled up mess of a cff so nothing gets lost on the way
2020-10-20T21:21:54 #kisslinux <E5ten> would ix fuck it up?
2020-10-20T21:22:06 #kisslinux <E5ten> how about you try using ix, and we'll compare shas
2020-10-20T21:22:48 #kisslinux <dilynm> The link it gives me is not a normal link xD
2020-10-20T21:22:56 #kisslinux <dilynm> IE not plain text but a download
2020-10-20T21:23:38 #kisslinux <E5ten> I guess the browser is interpreting what the link points to and recognizing that it's not plain text?
2020-10-20T21:23:52 #kisslinux <dilynm> Yeah
2020-10-20T21:23:55 #kisslinux <E5ten> send the link anyway I'll try using it and we'll check if sha256sum on yours and mine work
2020-10-20T21:23:56 #kisslinux <dilynm> It might work. Here
2020-10-20T21:24:07 #kisslinux <dilynm> ix.io/2BpY
2020-10-20T21:24:27 #kisslinux <micr0> sh4rm4^bnc reading you blog now. ifconfig2ip is what im most familiar with. one thing that bothered me was each distro having different ifconfig hooks and support scripts / files for editing networks. What I see now is configs/programs just shell out to ip. So while I agree that the ip tool is more of a sidegrade than an upgrade for interactive commandline use, I really like that my user experience is consistent across distros.
2020-10-20T21:24:38 #kisslinux <E5ten> 5e833db6ebcd4df810075dc538e07e8d9b64a3168da29e93447e9f98852658bc
2020-10-20T21:24:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> 5e833db6ebcd4df810075dc538e07e8d9b64a3168da29e93447e9f98852658bc 2BpY
2020-10-20T21:24:54 #kisslinux <micr0> Also, I'll ask next time if you actually want more random internet strangers opinions before just barfing them on this channel
2020-10-20T21:25:02 #kisslinux <dilynm> Nice
2020-10-20T21:26:02 #kisslinux <dilynm> Diff doesn't report that the two files have any differences fwiw so have fun
2020-10-20T21:27:48 #kisslinux <micr0> re:adapter renaming I am super happy to have consistent (i.e. mac-address-based) adapter names on multiple bringup, but I build peer-to-peer internet-optional social & disaster recovery networks so maybe thats not a normal usecase.
2020-10-20T21:28:15 #kisslinux <E5ten> dilynm: yeah it seems you need to know the target format (and possibly architecture) to pass to objcopy
2020-10-20T21:28:18 #kisslinux <E5ten> so I don't know of a way to deal with that
2020-10-20T21:28:46 #kisslinux <dilynm> It just means you can't fix it in general though, right?
2020-10-20T21:28:52 #kisslinux <dilynm> Muevoid could still build it hisself
2020-10-20T21:29:17 #kisslinux <micr0> nice post though, thanks for writing it
2020-10-20T21:30:15 #kisslinux <E5ten> yeah I think if you modified the Makefile to use like objcopy -I binary -O <target format> {body}lt; $@ instead of the ld invocation it'd work, but it's not a general solution because idk how you'd get the correct format for <target format>
2020-10-20T21:30:29 #kisslinux <E5ten> but yeah muevoid could hardcode the correct value there
2020-10-20T21:32:55 #kisslinux <E5ten> actually if you're gonna hardcode output format anyway, I think you can just add "-m elf_amd64" to the ld command and that'd also work
2020-10-20T21:33:18 #kisslinux <micr0> btw, I successfully ran a not-completely-trivial podman-compose up --build for work, so I can say the jedahan repo has pretty much everything needed to run podman
2020-10-20T21:33:31 #kisslinux <micr0> I am still testing out rootless support, but it seems like that is working as well
2020-10-20T21:34:26 #kisslinux <micr0> I am also wondering if I should split out the podman-specific stuff into its own kiss repo so people dont need all my personal packages. If enough people (let's say 3) express interest i will split it out
2020-10-20T21:34:42 #kisslinux <micr0> maybe call it kiss-containers or something
2020-10-20T21:35:11 #kisslinux <E5ten> dilynm: wait maybe if you do HAVE_OBJCOPY=no it'd work? idk if their alternate method works on linux or not but might be worth a try
2020-10-20T21:36:30 #kisslinux <himmalerin> micro0: Built fine with the remove gtk+2 patch so i added that and pushed everything, lmk if it builds fine when you get a chance
2020-10-20T21:36:41 #kisslinux <dilynm> Will test in a few
2020-10-20T21:38:35 #kisslinux <micr0> himmalerin will test now, though I think dylanaraps said that ff82 requires node15. Is that true?
2020-10-20T21:38:57 #kisslinux <micr0> regardless i will try building right now
2020-10-20T21:39:16 #kisslinux <micr0> should report back in 90 minutes if it is successfull
2020-10-20T21:39:46 #kisslinux <E5ten> dilynm: I think that'll work actually, it seems like they have their own command named "hexdump" (not the normal hexdump) that can be used instead of objcopy to generate a source file that'll incorporate the binary data
2020-10-20T21:40:04 #kisslinux <micr0> though, i wonder if my self-compiled version will be overwritten
2020-10-20T21:40:19 #kisslinux <micr0> or if I can even uninstall my self-compiled version cleanly, lol
2020-10-20T21:40:38 #kisslinux <obsessive[m]1> you can do it
2020-10-20T21:40:47 #kisslinux <dilynm> You could while it and just read kiss' manifest to delete the files
2020-10-20T21:40:49 #kisslinux <dilynm> :p
2020-10-20T21:41:00 #kisslinux <dilynm> s/while/read
2020-10-20T21:41:07 #kisslinux <dilynm> Wait no
2020-10-20T21:41:09 #kisslinux <dilynm> Smfhhhh
2020-10-20T21:47:07 #kisslinux <micr0> actually now that i think of it I should have just created a chroot to test building just firefox
2020-10-20T21:47:19 #kisslinux <micr0> not too late, but im hopeful anyway
2020-10-20T21:53:50 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> micr0, thanks for feedback
2020-10-20T21:53:55 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> > each distro having different ifconfig hooks and support scripts / files for editing networks
2020-10-20T21:54:15 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> what annoyed me about that, is they have levels of indirection instead of doing things straight
2020-10-20T21:54:35 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> this is probably due to the network manager design
2020-10-20T21:54:56 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> these days i guess most just do it the "systemd way"
2020-10-20T21:56:03 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> in sabotage one just stuffs his static ip into rc.local
2020-10-20T21:56:59 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> (or runs dhclient $itf if desired)
2020-10-20T21:57:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> question for you guys
2020-10-20T21:57:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> have you ever had an issue where the tty will only use a portion of your screen after loading your graphics driver?
2020-10-20T22:01:01 #kisslinux <dilynm> I have that issue plugging in external monitors
2020-10-20T22:01:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> hmm. well, I'm on a multihead desktop. amdgpu
2020-10-20T22:01:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> good that it's reproducible though
2020-10-20T22:03:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> wonder if building the drivers and stuff right into the kernel would do it... udev really seems to be having issues for me
2020-10-20T22:04:34 #kisslinux <himmalerin> micr0: re "ff82 requires node15", I built it with node15 so I can't confirm one way or the either. Definitely does work w/ v15 though
2020-10-20T23:00:35 #kisslinux <dilynm> E5ten: exporting HAVE_OBJCOPY=no does not seem to work
2020-10-20T23:01:45 #kisslinux <dilynm> But putting it in make {...} like a sophisticated person succeeds
2020-10-20T23:03:53 #kisslinux <dilynm> muevoid: this should work ix.io/2BqF
2020-10-20T23:15:23 #kisslinux <E5ten> on one hand their ld method avoids generating giant C files, but honestly I think it'd be preferable to just remove the HAVE_OBJCOPY=yes paths and always do the thing that always works, even if it does generate large C files