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2020-06-14T00:06:19 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> dilynm, I'm not good with git.
2020-06-14T00:07:42 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> I'm always scared I will mess something up while pushing.
2020-06-14T00:08:42 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> git commit*
2020-06-14T00:08:50 #kisslinux <dilynm> So what you would do is fork the repository, make the changes you want to make, push your changes to your fork on GitHub, and then submit a pull request to the actual repo for dylan to vet
2020-06-14T00:08:50 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> committing, not pushing.
2020-06-14T00:09:10 #kisslinux <dilynm> You'd never actually mess anything up!
2020-06-14T00:09:13 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> Well, that sounds way too easy.
2020-06-14T00:09:30 #kisslinux <dilynm> :)
2020-06-14T00:13:15 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> I think I should get Kiss up and running first, then think about writing to wiki :]
2020-06-14T00:13:32 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> I'll do that in about 2 weeks when I'm back home.
2020-06-14T00:14:18 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> I was pretty solid last week. But that grub booting got me.
2020-06-14T02:02:04 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> KuchiKuu: added a git wiki page with a basic example for article writing. https://github.com/kisslinux/wiki/pull/21
2020-06-14T02:02:28 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> KuchiKuu: when you reach that point :)
2020-06-14T02:11:05 #kisslinux <asdf1234> hello people
2020-06-14T02:11:23 #kisslinux <asdf1234> I have a question, does anyone bychance have the ability to answer
2020-06-14T02:11:24 #kisslinux <asdf1234> ?
2020-06-14T02:11:52 #kisslinux <asdf1234> Does musl libc have a c++ compiler?
2020-06-14T02:12:14 #kisslinux <asdf1234> I'd like to try to compile webkit so I can use it with vimb
2020-06-14T02:12:24 #kisslinux <asdf1234> *hopefully*
2020-06-14T02:12:39 #kisslinux <asdf1234> welp
2020-06-14T02:13:41 #kisslinux <asdf1234> *hopefully*
2020-06-14T02:13:44 #kisslinux <asdf1234> whoops
2020-06-14T02:36:44 #kisslinux <asdf1234>
2020-06-14T03:00:36 #kisslinux <ectlunya> asdf1234: musl is a c library. a c++ compiler is completely seperate
2020-06-14T03:00:46 #kisslinux <ectlunya> webkit and vimb are also both in the community repo
2020-06-14T03:02:24 #kisslinux <slepe> okay
2020-06-14T03:34:26 #kisslinux <dylan02> o/
2020-06-14T03:38:30 #kisslinux <dylan02> The old Wiki is accessible here if anyone would like to convert the pages to the new Wiki: https://github.com/kisslinux/website/tree/22a418f6832790923318ae5567b5fb0f738c55d6/site/wiki
2020-06-14T03:39:06 #kisslinux <dylan02> There's a keyboard layout page for example.
2020-06-14T04:02:48 #kisslinux <ectlunya> is the encryption page still accurate?
2020-06-14T04:03:11 #kisslinux <ectlunya> now that encryption is in a new repo
2020-06-14T04:17:11 #kisslinux <dylan02> It needs an overhaul regardless I'd say.
2020-06-14T04:37:18 #kisslinux <ectlunya> I'm adding a few pages right now. I'll update the index.txt's when I've finished
2020-06-14T04:40:57 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Awesome
2020-06-14T04:43:35 #kisslinux <ectlunya> What section should the console font and keyboard layout pages go in?
2020-06-14T04:44:28 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> was just working on the keyboard article x_x
2020-06-14T04:44:32 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> lol
2020-06-14T04:45:19 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> software/bkeymaps?
2020-06-14T04:47:16 #kisslinux <ectlunya> ah, I just pushed mine
2020-06-14T04:48:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Good question.
2020-06-14T04:49:42 #kisslinux <ectlunya> mcpcpc: which page are you working on now so we don't conflict. I was about to do the acpid page
2020-06-14T04:51:41 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> was working on the bkeymaps but stopped. no others at the moment (from the old wiki)
2020-06-14T05:06:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I've modified the template: https://github.com/kisslinux/wiki/blob/master/help/page-template.txt
2020-06-14T05:07:49 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> looks good
2020-06-14T05:20:54 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ectlunya: Thanks for all of the submissions, I appreciate it. They feel a little rushed though. I've left a lot of comments. ;)
2020-06-14T05:25:19 #kisslinux <ectlunya> np. most of them were just quickly adjusting the formatting so I may have missed some things
2020-06-14T05:26:37 #kisslinux <ectlunya> the only new thing I added was the section about busybox acpid
2020-06-14T05:27:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yeah
2020-06-14T05:30:27 #kisslinux <ectlunya> I wasn't sure how much to change since I wasn't the original author, but I'll update for your comments now
2020-06-14T05:30:34 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Change it all!
2020-06-14T05:31:21 #kisslinux <ectlunya> sounds good. didn't want to overstep my bounds
2020-06-14T05:31:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'd much rather we rewrite every page from scratch as the new Wiki is entirely different to the old one.
2020-06-14T05:31:28 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yeah
2020-06-14T05:37:53 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I can help with some of the pages if you like ectlunya:
2020-06-14T05:38:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Let me know and I'll start working on them. :P
2020-06-14T05:44:04 #kisslinux <ectlunya> that'd be great
2020-06-14T05:44:12 #kisslinux <ectlunya> can you work on the efi pages?
2020-06-14T05:45:54 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Sure thing
2020-06-14T06:10:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> EFI pages are done.
2020-06-14T06:28:10 #kisslinux <ectlunya> nice
2020-06-14T06:28:22 #kisslinux <ectlunya> i just pushed a bunch of changes to the acpid page
2020-06-14T06:28:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Will take a look
2020-06-14T07:08:33 #kisslinux <lhoqvso> Wow guys! Thanks a lot!!! I hope I can submit my own contributions when I learn a bit more :) I’m glad to be with all you :) thank you :)
2020-06-14T07:47:03 #kisslinux <djt3[m]1> <lhoqvso "Wow guys! Thanks a lot!!! I hope"> :)
2020-06-14T08:50:05 #kisslinux <illiliti> https://github.com/kisslinux/wiki/blob/master/wayland/install-wayland.txt#L125-L127 << mkdir -pm0700 ... 2> /dev/null
2020-06-14T08:50:11 #kisslinux <illiliti> https://github.com/kisslinux/wiki/blob/master/wayland/install-wayland.txt#L102 << kiss b mesa pango ...
2020-06-14T08:53:39 #kisslinux <illiliti> https://github.com/kisslinux/wiki/blob/master/software/wpa_supplicant.txt#L104 << ip a . ifconfig is deprecated
2020-06-14T09:05:42 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Thanks
2020-06-14T09:05:52 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Article is still very WIP.
2020-06-14T09:53:23 #kisslinux <obsessive[m]1> what do I need to install to get mouse and keyboard to work in a qemu vm
2020-06-14T10:05:44 #kisslinux <dylan02> obsessive[m]1: libinput, xf86-input-libinput and eudev.
2020-06-14T10:06:24 #kisslinux <dylan02> Ensure that libinput and xorg-server link to eudev by checking 'kiss depends libinput'/'kiss depends xorg-server'.
2020-06-14T10:13:28 #kisslinux <obsessive[m]1> ok i didnt had libinput and kiss depends say its not linked to eudev. does that mean it needs to be rebuild?
2020-06-14T10:19:11 #kisslinux <obsessive[m]1> @jedavies:
2020-06-14T10:19:11 #kisslinux <obsessive[m]1> > obsessive: I added icewm recently here: https://github.com/jedavies-dev/kiss-personal
2020-06-14T10:19:11 #kisslinux <obsessive[m]1> compiled and started just fine!
2020-06-14T10:23:01 #kisslinux <claudia> o/
2020-06-14T10:24:25 #kisslinux <claudia> wayfire: a feture rich wlroots compositor without pango(glib) dependency! Can be configured to act as a basic floating wm without all the bells and whistles.
2020-06-14T10:24:33 #kisslinux <claudia> https://ibb.co/kmd1xPr
2020-06-14T10:25:00 #kisslinux <claudia> https://ibb.co/SJLrCDq
2020-06-14T10:25:50 #kisslinux <claudia> second screenshot is the workspace overview
2020-06-14T10:26:52 #kisslinux <obsessive[m]1> dylan02: thanks, that helped me! mouse and keyboard working
2020-06-14T10:35:39 #kisslinux <dylan02> No problem. :).
2020-06-14T10:48:39 #kisslinux <obsessive[m]1> right now followed install doc + community repo + + icewm + qemu all without issue, pretty neat
2020-06-14T10:49:30 #kisslinux <obsessive[m]1> qemu with kvm inside a qemu with kvm, sdl :)
2020-06-14T11:41:43 #kisslinux <fehawen> o/
2020-06-14T15:02:06 #kisslinux <himmalerin> dylan02: Where is link 23 in the wiki's wayland/install-wayland.txt file supposed to lead to? It's referenced but the actual links go 21, 22, 24 (skipping over 23)
2020-06-14T15:15:00 #kisslinux <jedavies> armv7 port now available: https://github.com/jedavies-dev/kiss-armv7
2020-06-14T15:37:17 #kisslinux <dylan02> Nice!
2020-06-14T15:37:50 #kisslinux <dylan02> himmalerin: Yeah. I need to clean up the references. This article is still a WIP (and not linked to from anywhere).
2020-06-14T16:35:33 #kisslinux <obsessive[m]1> perl (required in nearly all cases)
2020-06-14T16:35:33 #kisslinux <obsessive[m]1> $ kiss b ncurses
2020-06-14T16:35:47 #kisslinux <obsessive[m]1> Install#2.0
2020-06-14T16:39:19 #kisslinux <ectlunya> as more pages are added to the main wiki page the boxes layout is starting to get a bit disorganized. It might be simpler to have a simple list like the news and blog pages
2020-06-14T16:55:40 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> ectlunya: whats wrong with having categories? i think its helpful for new users to f
2020-06-14T16:57:23 #kisslinux <ectlunya> keep the categories but don't organize them in boxes
2020-06-14T16:57:53 #kisslinux <ectlunya> software/git seems like enough for someone to know git is software
2020-06-14T17:00:27 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> ah. didnt mean to send that... but yeah. i get it.
2020-06-14T17:02:45 #kisslinux <ectlunya> like this: http://ix.io/2pbP
2020-06-14T17:02:56 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> Dylan hinted at reorganizing the landing page (and possibly categories and sub-cats) a few days ago.
2020-06-14T17:03:14 #kisslinux <ectlunya> This alsocould let us add short descriptions too
2020-06-14T17:07:44 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> could work. i think high-level topic pages for each category (e.g. xorg-server article) to steer users to specific articles would be helpful too. less management for dylan in the long run.
2020-06-14T17:08:46 #kisslinux <ectlunya> that would be good
2020-06-14T17:09:34 #kisslinux <ectlunya> It might be good to put all documentation pages on the wiki too
2020-06-14T17:09:48 #kisslinux <ectlunya> package system/manager, software, and guidestones all come to mind
2020-06-14T17:20:18 #kisslinux <ectlunya> this could also be good: http://ix.io/2pbS
2020-06-14T17:20:54 #kisslinux <ectlunya> the headings/ would be links to section pages like mcpcpc was talking about
2020-06-14T17:34:46 #kisslinux <micro_O> o/
2020-06-14T17:35:54 #kisslinux <micro_O> has anyone got setfont running on boot? I tried ::once:/usr/bin/setfont /usr/share/consolefonts/ter-u32n.psf.gz in inittab, but all the logs and logins are still tiny unless i login and manually run it
2020-06-14T17:36:57 #kisslinux <micro_O> is anyone having difficulty with dhcpcd not applying on boot? I have dhcpcd sv enabled (via busybox), but I have to sv down dhcpcd && dhcpcd wlan0 manually to get an address on my wifi
2020-06-14T17:38:09 #kisslinux <micro_O> (wifi starts as wlan0)
2020-06-14T17:38:22 #kisslinux <dylan02> I haven't had this issue with dhcpcd.
2020-06-14T17:38:54 #kisslinux <dylan02> Have you tried running setfont in ~/.profile? Not sure if it's running too early in the boot process(?).
2020-06-14T17:40:23 #kisslinux <dilynm> I had a similar issue with dhcpcd micro_O:
2020-06-14T17:40:31 #kisslinux <dilynm> My solution was to... Not use the service :S
2020-06-14T17:41:02 #kisslinux <micro_O> dylan02 - I will try rc.conf, and if that fails, search online a bit more. I might also be able to embed the font I want in my kernel if needed.
2020-06-14T17:41:45 #kisslinux <micro_O> dilynm: good to know. maybe I can read up about dhcpcd.conf and propose a change either to that, or the service that is installed (which runs -BM)
2020-06-14T17:42:01 #kisslinux <micro_O> at least I can boot into kiss, and have integrated wireless working
2020-06-14T17:43:03 #kisslinux <micro_O> next is to get sway running, and decide how i want to share home directories (which is trickier since i have cargo, node, and go install to ~/.cache/${package_manager}/bin but of course kiss and debian dont share the same executable format
2020-06-14T17:44:13 #kisslinux <himmalerin> micro_O: If you want xwayland you might want to take a look at my personal repo, https://github.com/Himmalerin/kiss-himmalerin
2020-06-14T17:44:25 #kisslinux <himmalerin> the mywayland repo doesn't support it for whatever reason
2020-06-14T17:45:43 #kisslinux <micro_O> thanks for the heads up himmalerin, I might need xwayland unfortunately
2020-06-14T17:46:16 #kisslinux <micro_O> on debian i was able to have firefox, slack, and obs (with full screensharing!) working without xwayland
2020-06-14T17:46:50 #kisslinux <micro_O> but I think stuff like discord and vscode needed it, as well as some older stuff like mumble
2020-06-14T17:47:16 #kisslinux <himmalerin> Yeah, I need it for the flatpaks
2020-06-14T17:48:02 #kisslinux <micro_O> what flatpaks do you use?
2020-06-14T17:49:08 #kisslinux <himmalerin> vscode, krita, inkscape. Basically anything with a ton of dependencies that would probably be a pain to get compiling on KISS
2020-06-14T17:49:55 #kisslinux <himmalerin> Also, the cursor when mousing over Firefox is twice(?) the normal size and I've been unable to find a fix.
2020-06-14T17:50:49 #kisslinux <micro_O> where is the 'file' utility packaged? I wanna see if I maybe forget to tell my kernel to have support for some format
2020-06-14T17:51:05 #kisslinux <micro_O> it means my path shows alacritty in ~/.cache/cargo/bin/ , but cannot run
2020-06-14T17:51:18 #kisslinux <himmalerin> It's in community I'm pretty sure
2020-06-14T17:53:45 #kisslinux <travankor> doesnt flatpak depend on pulse for audio
2020-06-14T17:55:22 #kisslinux <micro_O> this is actually what pushed me over the edge to trying kiss for daily computing - installing mumble totally broke my sound on debian, and the layers of pulse/alsa/modprobe/whatever else was hard to unbreak
2020-06-14T17:55:45 #kisslinux <himmalerin> travankor: some of them I think. None of the ones I've tried actually crash because of pulse not being present thou Minecraft doesn't output any soundnd
2020-06-14T17:56:17 #kisslinux <micro_O> brb, rebooting to see if rc.conf setfont is better
2020-06-14T17:56:38 #kisslinux <micro_O> also wondering if i should provide a package called 'reboot' and 'shutdown' that just aliases kpow xD
2020-06-14T17:59:20 #kisslinux <dylan02> -> git push
2020-06-14T17:59:25 #kisslinux <dylan02> Oops
2020-06-14T17:59:27 #kisslinux <dylan02> ;)
2020-06-14T18:00:19 #kisslinux <dilynm> How bizarre
2020-06-14T18:00:41 #kisslinux <dilynm> Qt5-base using the latest git dev branch does not fail to build like 5.15 does
2020-06-14T18:00:48 #kisslinux <dilynm> Even though the file in question is... Identical
2020-06-14T18:03:38 #kisslinux <dylan02> It's amazing how fragile it is.......
2020-06-14T18:03:56 #kisslinux <dilynm> Literally made of glass
2020-06-14T18:04:24 #kisslinux <dilynm> It's held together by scotch tape and prayers it seems
2020-06-14T18:12:13 #kisslinux <micro_O> whats the best lynx-like packaged in kiss these days?
2020-06-14T18:13:53 #kisslinux <dylan02> We have lynx, links2 and w3m in Community iirc.
2020-06-14T18:14:16 #kisslinux <dylan02> Dunno which one I'd consider the best though.
2020-06-14T18:18:09 #kisslinux <micro_O> oh hey dylan02 kiss/install.txt has a typo - in the section on compiling a kernel requiring perl, the instructions show `kiss b ncurses` and `kiss i ncurses`
2020-06-14T18:18:13 #kisslinux <micro_O> probably a copy-paste
2020-06-14T18:18:22 #kisslinux <micro_O> I'd submit a patch but my laptop isnt fully setup yet
2020-06-14T18:19:58 #kisslinux <dylan02> Fixed, thanks. :)
2020-06-14T18:32:31 #kisslinux <aarng> micro_O: in case you read logs: I use this via /etc/rc.d/consolefont.boot -> https://termbin.com/ebhk
2020-06-14T18:33:38 #kisslinux <o_O> ok so you can set the kernel font to default to terminus 16x32 which is good for hidpi
2020-06-14T18:35:36 #kisslinux <aarng> check the logs, posted another solution
2020-06-14T18:40:37 #kisslinux <micro_O> oh, thats cool
2020-06-14T18:54:39 #kisslinux <obsessive[m]1> is there an i3wm repo?
2020-06-14T18:55:12 #kisslinux <dylan02> Check the git history for Community.
2020-06-14T18:55:24 #kisslinux <dylan02> i3 used to be packaged but was orphaned and removed as no one wanted to maintain it.
2020-06-14T18:55:32 #kisslinux <dylan02> The files are all there if you'd like to do so. :)
2020-06-14T19:22:10 #kisslinux <micro_O> has anyone seen getty missing keystrokes - sometimes I will login and all or part of my username gets echod back to me, which means i cannot login (even with correct password) and will have to wait 60 seconds for the timeout
2020-06-14T19:23:30 #kisslinux <obsessive[m]1> dylan02: I might! now a days it would belong in a seperate repo right?
2020-06-14T19:50:02 #kisslinux <micro_O> ls
2020-06-14T19:50:54 #kisslinux <micro_O> where do sway logs go? if I try and open alacritty or st nothin happens
2020-06-14T19:52:34 #kisslinux <himmalerin> I don't think it logs by default but sway -d 2> ~/sway.log should help
2020-06-14T19:52:52 #kisslinux <himmalerin> st definitely won't work w/o xwayland running but alacritty should
2020-06-14T19:57:04 #kisslinux <micro_O> interesting - WARNING: kernel has no file descriptor comparison support
2020-06-14T20:00:25 #kisslinux <micro_O> also apparantly the surface was created and alacritty was executed, just nothing drawn
2020-06-14T20:04:58 #kisslinux <micro_O> himmalerin I am starting sway from my user console just as `sway` should i be using something else?
2020-06-14T20:06:18 #kisslinux <himmalerin> That's how I do it as well... Odd that it's not working for you. Do you have all the graphics stuff for your system installed?
2020-06-14T20:06:44 #kisslinux <micro_O> i think im on i915 graphics, which is built into the kernel
2020-06-14T20:07:14 #kisslinux <micro_O> maybe i need some i915 firmware somewhere? i see a gray screen and mouse cursor, and when i press mod+shift+e i can see swaynag and exit
2020-06-14T20:09:15 #kisslinux <claudia> micro_O: enabling the wayland backend in mesa should be sufficent
2020-06-14T20:09:21 #kisslinux <claudia> Do you have KMS enabled?
2020-06-14T20:10:28 #kisslinux <micro_O> checking KMS now, it should be enabled
2020-06-14T20:10:38 #kisslinux <micro_O> ahh i might not have enabled wayland in mesa
2020-06-14T20:10:42 #kisslinux <micro_O> checking how to do that now
2020-06-14T20:11:34 #kisslinux <claudia> -Dplatforms=drm,x11,wayland
2020-06-14T20:12:34 #kisslinux <claudia> I also have intel, hd400 sth, but have never tried without KMS though
2020-06-14T20:25:15 #kisslinux <micro_O> sway seems to work, but i dont have sway-bar and i cant open any terminal TT
2020-06-14T20:25:22 #kisslinux <micro_O> or firefox
2020-06-14T20:26:25 #kisslinux <travankor> i wouldn't call that working :p
2020-06-14T20:26:43 #kisslinux <travankor> did you set xdg_runtime_dir
2020-06-14T20:26:58 #kisslinux <micro_O> yep. if its unset, sway won't start
2020-06-14T20:28:03 #kisslinux <claudia> you could try something like https://github.com/ii8/havoc as a simple wl application
2020-06-14T20:29:25 #kisslinux <micro_O> claudia: hey havoc works
2020-06-14T20:29:38 #kisslinux <claudia> nice
2020-06-14T20:29:53 #kisslinux <travankor> is the runtime dir writeable applications?
2020-06-14T20:29:56 #kisslinux <claudia> you might dont have a mouse cursor, thats normal :D
2020-06-14T20:31:08 #kisslinux <micro_O> travankor: its 700 as far as i can tell
2020-06-14T20:32:00 #kisslinux <travankor> do you have strace installed?
2020-06-14T20:32:05 #kisslinux <travankor> could be useful here
2020-06-14T20:32:14 #kisslinux <micro_O> oh, and if i try and run alacritty from havoc i get a segfault
2020-06-14T20:32:18 #kisslinux <micro_O> i'll install it
2020-06-14T20:46:09 #kisslinux <micro_O> strace installed
2020-06-14T20:47:18 #kisslinux <micro_O> its weird, alacritty is trying to open a lot of libxcb
2020-06-14T20:47:25 #kisslinux <micro_O> i wonder if i can fork the build and only enable the wayland backend
2020-06-14T20:47:31 #kisslinux <micro_O> or install it via cargo
2020-06-14T20:50:38 #kisslinux <claudia> micro_O: there are two build in the mywayland repo
2020-06-14T20:51:13 #kisslinux <claudia> in wayland its for X and wl and in noXland its only wl.
2020-06-14T20:53:39 #kisslinux <micro_O> thats a little confusing but i will try the noXland version
2020-06-14T21:00:02 #kisslinux <claudia> I might update / restructure the readme for where to find what.
2020-06-14T21:00:32 #kisslinux <himmalerin> oh, are you the maintainer of mywayland?
2020-06-14T21:00:55 #kisslinux <claudia> yes :)
2020-06-14T21:01:28 #kisslinux <micro_O> yeah i think the readme is nice because its up to date, but its hard to find answers to what i imagine are more user-centered questions
2020-06-14T21:01:54 #kisslinux <micro_O> for example: "I want to use firefox, what should be in my kiss path, what command should i run, what issues should i expect?"
2020-06-14T21:02:07 #kisslinux <micro_O> "I want the purest wayland experience, what software will NOT work"
2020-06-14T21:02:08 #kisslinux <micro_O> etc etc
2020-06-14T21:03:14 #kisslinux <himmalerin> claudia: what do you think about building xorg-server with xwayland enabled?
2020-06-14T21:03:52 #kisslinux <himmalerin> Or having it available in the repository anyway
2020-06-14T21:04:05 #kisslinux <claudia> This might be good in the wiki once the wl section is opened. I had such infos about the browsers of KISS in my repo but I removed them because most is woroking good. I dont user other GUI aplications though.
2020-06-14T21:04:49 #kisslinux <claudia> himmalerin: I have no experience with that, since the only reason for me is to use wayland when I turn my back to the X side.
2020-06-14T21:05:06 #kisslinux <claudia> but this sure can be added
2020-06-14T21:05:09 #kisslinux <claudia> for completeness
2020-06-14T21:05:16 #kisslinux <micro_O> yeah wiki makes sense for this kinda thing too
2020-06-14T21:05:26 #kisslinux <micro_O> and like, different browsers of course have different support
2020-06-14T21:05:34 #kisslinux <claudia> himmalerin: do you have this already packaged?
2020-06-14T21:05:53 #kisslinux <micro_O> for example, I was able to get xwayland-less firefox to work with whereby and jitsi meet, but not for screensharing
2020-06-14T21:05:58 #kisslinux <micro_O> stuff like that
2020-06-14T21:06:30 #kisslinux <micro_O> but i was able to stream my entire pc using obs and pure wayland
2020-06-14T21:06:39 #kisslinux <himmalerin> Yep! Was just about to ask if you'd accept a PR for it. https://github.com/Himmalerin/kiss-himmalerin/blob/master/modified/xorg-server I should clean it up to be more similar to the main KISS repo's first though so it's easier to maintain
2020-06-14T21:06:40 #kisslinux <claudia> micro_O: for the purest wl experience look at noXland, thats exactly my effort there. I can tell that qt5 based stuff offers the best performance convenience with the least dependencies
2020-06-14T21:06:58 #kisslinux <micro_O> yeah i am trying out all the noxland browsers
2020-06-14T21:07:41 #kisslinux <himmalerin> I haven't tested it, but Sway seemed to crash when built with --buildtype=plain and xwayland though
2020-06-14T21:08:04 #kisslinux <claudia> I only have libxkbcommon and xkeyboard-config as X stuff installed. And also ditched glib with wayfire.
2020-06-14T21:08:40 #kisslinux <himmalerin> haven't *thoroughly* tested anyway, and it's less "crash" and more "hang for forever when you try to quit"
2020-06-14T21:11:12 #kisslinux <claudia> himmalerin: going after repology, the name could be just "xwayland"
2020-06-14T21:11:21 #kisslinux <claudia> this is important for kiss-outdated
2020-06-14T21:14:38 #kisslinux <claudia> But honestly this whole wayland is so experimental and has quirks that another layer with xwayland doesnt make the situation better und one might be better with just X which just works. (:
2020-06-14T21:16:30 #kisslinux <himmalerin> oh definitely, lots of little issues. The one bothering me the most is the massive cursor when it's over firefox
2020-06-14T21:16:58 #kisslinux <claudia> Thankfully I never had such issue :D
2020-06-14T21:17:32 #kisslinux <claudia> Besides from sometimes flickering conext menu, it behaved pretty normal.
2020-06-14T21:18:01 #kisslinux <himmalerin> that's sort of unfortunate, was hoping it either wasn't just me or you had a fix
2020-06-14T21:18:32 #kisslinux <claudia> I can say that I dont have any cursor themes or so installed.
2020-06-14T21:18:42 #kisslinux <himmalerin> it's just under firefox and just when it's run with MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1
2020-06-14T21:18:49 #kisslinux <himmalerin> oh that's probably part of the cause
2020-06-14T21:19:08 #kisslinux <himmalerin> I installed the adwaita theme since I was missing cursors
2020-06-14T21:19:58 #kisslinux <claudia> I used the "firefox-wayland" starter from my repo. That worked best.
2020-06-14T21:21:29 #kisslinux <himmalerin> That's where I got all the variables I'm running firefox under, just never actually installed the script
2020-06-14T21:21:58 #kisslinux <himmalerin> I forked the main repo's firefox myself since I wanted the latest version instead of 75
2020-06-14T21:23:36 #kisslinux <claudia> Oh ff75 is obsolete :D. I remove that.
2020-06-14T22:16:23 #kisslinux <micro_O> claudia: mind sharing your kiss-orphans?
2020-06-14T22:21:00 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> sigh. finally got a vnc server working. :)
2020-06-14T22:22:19 #kisslinux <claudia> micro_O: https://termbin.com/zh98
2020-06-14T22:23:41 #kisslinux <micro_O> wow that is impressive
2020-06-14T22:23:44 #kisslinux <micro_O> thank you
2020-06-14T22:31:17 #kisslinux <claudia> What do you want to read from that?
2020-06-14T22:32:06 #kisslinux <micro_O> im wondering if i have some X libraries that make alacritty try and look for X .so files which is why its segfaulting
2020-06-14T22:32:16 #kisslinux <micro_O> and i wanted to see what is 'necessary'
2020-06-14T22:32:53 #kisslinux <micro_O> so my idea is to remove a bunch of my orphans, then kiss b, then install alacritty and see if that works
2020-06-14T22:33:33 #kisslinux <micro_O> though i still have a lot of libX in /var/db/installed
2020-06-14T22:34:38 #kisslinux <claudia> Are you already replicating noXland?
2020-06-14T22:36:54 #kisslinux <claudia> I assume you have installed wl + wl-protocols on top of a working X system. So you have done some rebuilds?
2020-06-14T22:44:03 #kisslinux <micro_O> i never had x working
2020-06-14T22:44:36 #kisslinux <micro_O> what happened is, i installed kiss in a chroot, and just did kiss b firefox a while back
2020-06-14T22:44:40 #kisslinux <micro_O> which brought in a bunch of x deps
2020-06-14T22:44:45 #kisslinux <micro_O> which i think infected other stuff
2020-06-14T22:46:02 #kisslinux <micro_O> now my orphans are kinda typical CLI stuff - fd, rg, exa, zsh, go, node, rust, wayland, eiwd, wpa_supplicant
2020-06-14T22:46:22 #kisslinux <micro_O> i'm gonna do kiss b in /var/db/installed, then try following the noXland readme
2020-06-14T22:47:37 #kisslinux <micro_O> gws
2020-06-14T22:55:09 #kisslinux <claudia> nice
2020-06-14T22:56:25 #kisslinux <micro_O> not even sure i need wpa_supplicant with eiwd
2020-06-14T22:58:56 #kisslinux <claudia> I would recommend to install ccache and then start with a conventional mesa with only wayland enabled and then start ditching X when you can go sure that everything is allright.
2020-06-14T22:59:44 #kisslinux <claudia> when you safe the big compiler packages, a system rebuild after kiss-reset doesnt take that long anymore.
2020-06-14T23:08:45 #kisslinux <micro_O> looking at kiss-reset now and ccache
2020-06-14T23:08:50 #kisslinux <micro_O> thanks for the advice
2020-06-14T23:37:51 #kisslinux <fehawen> quit
2020-06-14T23:38:00 #kisslinux <fehawen> lol, sorry