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2020-03-10T01:24:01 #kisslinux <claudia2> @iorraff: I saw you are packaging samba for kiss. How is it going?
2020-03-10T02:36:09 #kisslinux <konimex> oh man, looks like libvpx can't be linked with ld.lld
2020-03-10T02:37:04 #kisslinux <E5ten> uh I dunno if that's true I built it with lld
2020-03-10T02:37:11 #kisslinux <konimex> https://termbin.com/7q5ef
2020-03-10T02:38:12 #kisslinux <E5ten> idk why that's happening
2020-03-10T02:39:05 #kisslinux <konimex> might be related to nasm/yasm shenanigans?
2020-03-10T02:39:25 #kisslinux <illiliti> regression maybe - https://github.com/kisslinux/repo/commit/66c5cffad5895d8f34c69f2c9b7745a86cb63578
2020-03-10T02:41:23 #kisslinux <konimex> let's see
2020-03-10T02:42:35 #kisslinux <konimex> yep, regression
2020-03-10T02:43:46 #kisslinux <konimex> the .h is generated from perl, so no way around it in my case
2020-03-10T02:49:01 #kisslinux <E5ten> I just don't have libvpx
2020-03-10T02:56:46 #kisslinux <adamantium[m]> https://github.com/kisslinux/repo/issues/167 can anyone else test nodejs to see if it starts building?
2020-03-10T03:05:39 #kisslinux <E5ten> mforney: I think this is a samurai bug
2020-03-10T03:10:16 #kisslinux <konimex> I can confirm the bug as well
2020-03-10T03:11:47 #kisslinux <adamantium[m]> I'm building it with make at the moment, seems to start the build, atleast
2020-03-10T03:15:10 #kisslinux <konimex> if you have proper ninja packaged, might want to try that as well
2020-03-10T03:15:23 #kisslinux <E5ten> I did, it worked
2020-03-10T03:15:38 #kisslinux <konimex> so, it's samurai-specific
2020-03-10T03:15:44 #kisslinux <E5ten> yeah
2020-03-10T03:16:44 #kisslinux <mforney> interesting. is there a line `depth = 1.4507365226745605` somewhere?
2020-03-10T03:19:11 #kisslinux <mforney> adamantium[m]: what version of node-js is it? (so i can try to reproduce)
2020-03-10T03:20:12 #kisslinux <adamantium[m]> mforney, there is not with those numbers, however i did grep for 'depth =' to see what might be related to it https://termbin.com/tlxi
2020-03-10T03:20:25 #kisslinux <adamantium[m]> mforney: https://nodejs.org/download/release/latest-v13.x/node-v13.10.1.tar.xz
2020-03-10T03:20:53 #kisslinux <adamantium[m]> oops ignore the termbin
2020-03-10T03:22:44 #kisslinux <adamantium[m]> there is a lot of depth = related code, having trouble getting termbin to work at the moment
2020-03-10T03:24:07 #kisslinux <mforney> hmm... http://ix.io/2dRi
2020-03-10T03:24:09 #kisslinux <E5ten> just add a depth = <any decimal> to a pool
2020-03-10T03:24:44 #kisslinux <mforney> it doesn't make much sense to have a pool that supports up to 1.45 jobs though
2020-03-10T03:25:15 #kisslinux <adamantium[m]> https://github.com/kisslinux/repo/blob/master/extra/nodejs/build i dont know if this helps but here is what we are currently building from
2020-03-10T03:25:26 #kisslinux <mforney> and ninja uses atol, so it seems like it expects an integer too
2020-03-10T03:27:04 #kisslinux <mforney> oh, so ninja just doesn't any validation of `depth =` lines, as long as it starts with an integer
2020-03-10T03:28:03 #kisslinux <mforney> so `depth = 2<whatever>` is treated exactly as `depth = 2`
2020-03-10T03:30:26 #kisslinux <mforney> i'm guessing the configure script does some floating point calculation based on the number of cores available, and writes that to build.ninja. it just happens that ninja only checks the beginning of the depth string, so actually ends up rounding down to the nearest integer, which is what we wanted
2020-03-10T03:32:01 #kisslinux <mforney> gonna go eat dinner. bonus points to whoever finds the line in the configure script missing `int(...)` :P
2020-03-10T03:52:52 #kisslinux <konimex> got this from skimming the scripts: https://github.com/nodejs/node/blob/master/tools/gyp/pylib/gyp/generator/ninja.py#L2045
2020-03-10T03:56:36 #kisslinux <mforney> nice. that GetDefaultConcurrentLinks function looks to be the culprit. i think this will do the trick: http://ix.io/2dRl
2020-03-10T04:01:11 #kisslinux <mforney> actually, looks to be a python 2 vs 3 thing. upstream gyp already fixed the issue here: https://chromium.googlesource.com/external/gyp/+/ab4aca868d68b9de9b20a9991bbbb5e78ab48a30%5E%21/#F22
2020-03-10T04:01:41 #kisslinux <mforney> `1 / 2` in python 2 is 0, but in python 3 it is 0.5
2020-03-10T05:25:37 #kisslinux <lastchansen> Yo! Is there any way to close tabs in birch?
2020-03-10T07:51:42 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> lastchansen: /part
2020-03-10T07:51:53 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> mforney: Thanks for tracking down the issue.
2020-03-10T07:52:28 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Weirdly though, I can't reproduce this at all
2020-03-10T07:53:55 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> thanks, i see the answer now dylanaraps
2020-03-10T07:54:33 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> I'm enjoying k1ss a lot
2020-03-10T07:55:53 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> np
2020-03-10T08:07:57 #kisslinux <mforney> dylanaraps: are you still using ninja from that test the other day? do the first few lines of out/Release/build.ninja have a fractional depth value?
2020-03-10T08:12:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> No no
2020-03-10T08:12:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'm using samurai
2020-03-10T08:12:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Mar 8 22:51 /usr/bin/ninja -> samu
2020-03-10T08:12:35 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> -> kiss l ninja
2020-03-10T08:12:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> -> ninja not installed
2020-03-10T08:14:40 #kisslinux <mforney> ah, does your system have <= 8 GiB of ram? i think it it would get rounded up to a flat 1 in that case
2020-03-10T08:15:28 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> memory 811M / 7935M
2020-03-10T08:15:30 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Just about
2020-03-10T08:27:43 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> mforney: Would regular ninja's behavior be a bug in ninja?
2020-03-10T08:28:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> They'd probably say "working as intended" though
2020-03-10T08:33:48 #kisslinux <mforney> i'd consider it a bug, just a very minor one. not sure if it's worth reporting
2020-03-10T08:35:01 #kisslinux <mforney> if it were only 2.34 -> 2, i could see that "working as intended", but 2abcd -> 2 doesn't make any sense
2020-03-10T08:39:16 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yeah
2020-03-10T08:50:36 #kisslinux <fehawen> hey hey
2020-03-10T08:56:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 1ello
2020-03-10T09:00:16 #kisslinux <fehawen> how are things?
2020-03-10T09:05:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Things are good
2020-03-10T09:05:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's cold again
2020-03-10T09:06:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> March is apparently worse than Winter where I am
2020-03-10T09:06:09 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Despite it being Spring
2020-03-10T09:09:10 #kisslinux <fehawen> Raining? I remember it getting really cold with wet/damp weather
2020-03-10T09:09:37 #kisslinux <fehawen> But I thought February was usually the coldest
2020-03-10T09:09:46 #kisslinux <fehawen> But then again, you're on the West coast of course
2020-03-10T09:09:46 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> February was nice
2020-03-10T09:09:49 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yeah
2020-03-10T09:09:55 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'm surrounded by mountains too
2020-03-10T09:10:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It keeps the heat in
2020-03-10T09:10:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It snows here though
2020-03-10T09:10:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Not every year but it happens
2020-03-10T09:10:59 #kisslinux <fehawen> I lived in the UK for a while, and those damp wet winters were a lot colder than our Swedish "real" winters heh
2020-03-10T09:11:49 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> lol
2020-03-10T09:12:10 #kisslinux <fehawen> But Australia gets really cold, right? In the sense that the houses aren't really built for anything other than hot sunny days
2020-03-10T09:12:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yes
2020-03-10T09:12:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Antarctic winds
2020-03-10T09:12:54 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It depends on where you live though
2020-03-10T09:13:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Up north it's hot all the time
2020-03-10T09:13:10 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Sydney and down it's cold in the Winter
2020-03-10T09:13:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> And the Summer a lot of the time
2020-03-10T09:15:03 #kisslinux <fehawen> And a lot of it has to with what clothes you normally wear as well. I'd get really cold in Nairobi during their winters. It hardly ever gets colder than +10/15 at night, but in an otherwise hot city that makes the houses get awfully cold
2020-03-10T09:16:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You can't dress properly
2020-03-10T09:16:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You get 4 seasons within 30 minutes in Melbourne
2020-03-10T09:17:05 #kisslinux <fehawen> Lol, ain't fun to deal with
2020-03-10T09:17:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> There was a KickStarter years ago for a "Melbourne Jacket"
2020-03-10T09:17:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> One for the weird Melbourne weather
2020-03-10T09:17:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Summer where I am now is the exact same day for 7~ months
2020-03-10T09:17:43 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's beautiful
2020-03-10T09:18:27 #kisslinux <fehawen> That's nice
2020-03-10T09:20:05 #kisslinux <fehawen> Do you get a large tourist/vacation crowd in June/July/August where you are?
2020-03-10T09:20:52 #kisslinux <fehawen> Patmos gets really hectic in July/August if I remember correctly
2020-03-10T09:21:09 #kisslinux <fehawen> Lot of Greek and foreign holiday visitors
2020-03-10T09:22:43 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yeah
2020-03-10T09:22:51 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'm in a tourist spot
2020-03-10T09:24:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Lot's of history here. Aristotle Onassis, Aristoteli Valaoriti, Wilhelm Dörpfeld, etc
2020-03-10T09:25:15 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Also a movie here in the 70s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmMLidkJaHo
2020-03-10T09:26:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> There's buried treasure here too
2020-03-10T09:26:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Dorpfeld believed that where I live was Homer's Ithaka
2020-03-10T09:30:07 #kisslinux <fehawen> Oh, that's cool
2020-03-10T09:30:57 #kisslinux <fehawen> Patmos has a "cave"-ish where John the Revelator wrote the Book of Revelations, or whatever it's called
2020-03-10T09:31:09 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Also, there's photos from the 50s showing the sea level higher than it is now.
2020-03-10T09:31:10 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Woah
2020-03-10T09:31:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Greece is full of history :P
2020-03-10T09:31:34 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I mean a big drop in sea level
2020-03-10T09:31:47 #kisslinux <fehawen> Yep, sure is
2020-03-10T09:31:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Also, they've found seashells in the mountains here
2020-03-10T09:31:59 #kisslinux <fehawen> As in it was lower in the 50s?
2020-03-10T09:32:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yeah
2020-03-10T09:32:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> No
2020-03-10T09:32:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Higher
2020-03-10T09:32:11 #kisslinux <fehawen> Thought so heh
2020-03-10T09:32:20 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Every year the beach gets larger by a metre or so
2020-03-10T09:33:20 #kisslinux <fehawen> And Holland (Netherlands) is sinking a couple of inches or so every year :P
2020-03-10T09:33:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The main town here is below sea level
2020-03-10T09:33:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Very smart!
2020-03-10T09:33:49 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> :P
2020-03-10T09:34:08 #kisslinux <fehawen> He he
2020-03-10T09:34:39 #kisslinux <fehawen> Are there walls etc to keep the water out, or is it naturally protected against floodings?
2020-03-10T09:36:15 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> A bit of both
2020-03-10T09:36:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> They keep raising it too
2020-03-10T09:42:29 #kisslinux <fehawen> Gotta run, will pop in later
2020-03-10T09:42:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> cya
2020-03-10T10:01:12 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://fossforce.com/2015/01/linux-distros-well-never-see/
2020-03-10T10:01:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Lol
2020-03-10T10:14:27 #kisslinux <konimex> so KISS will be rebased to Mint just to fulfill the prophecy
2020-03-10T10:15:30 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Mint was the first distro I used iirc
2020-03-10T10:15:35 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ;)
2020-03-10T10:15:43 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Many years ago
2020-03-10T10:18:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I made an attempt last night to backport nighlties py3 changes to the ESR.
2020-03-10T10:18:54 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 1000~ changed files, 60000 additions and ?????? deletions py3 still didn't work
2020-03-10T10:19:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> So I started fixing the rest by hand
2020-03-10T10:19:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 3 hours later I was still doing py2 -> py3 changes
2020-03-10T10:19:24 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> So I stopped
2020-03-10T10:19:38 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Still a long way to go for Mozilla :(
2020-03-10T10:19:52 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> God Python is awful though
2020-03-10T10:51:16 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Interesting: https://lunduke.com/posts/2020-03-9-b/
2020-03-10T11:02:56 #kisslinux <fehawen> Didn't read all of it, but I've read about the Stallman and Torvalds situations before
2020-03-10T11:03:59 #kisslinux <fehawen> Not sure what I think of it all, but in the Linux case for example it seems weird that people would want Torvalds off the project due to how he treats others and whatnot.
2020-03-10T11:05:01 #kisslinux <fehawen> As for the OSI I know just about nothing of it, so can't say much
2020-03-10T11:14:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> A similar though unrelated thing happened to the creator of Guake (The dropdown GTK terminal). He left the project some years later. His name was at some point removed from the repository and license. He opened an issue about it in January which was ignored. Only when the issue was posted to hackernews and saw traffic did the contributors add back his name.
2020-03-10T11:14:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> So, it went about 2 months without reply.
2020-03-10T11:14:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Had it not been posted to hackernews (or gone "viral" in any way), he wouldn't have seen a response.
2020-03-10T11:15:53 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Barring the legal issues regarding Guake, there's a degree of respect that went missing (same goes for ESR, Stallman, Linus, etc).
2020-03-10T11:16:54 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://github.com/Guake/guake/issues/1703
2020-03-10T11:16:57 #kisslinux <fehawen> Oh yeah, definitely, there seem to be no regard taken for the hard work (and many. many years often) of the creator of a porject
2020-03-10T11:17:55 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ESR was the co-founder of the OSI and president for the first 6 years. It seems odd to me to ban him from the mailing lists (and not state this publicly).
2020-03-10T11:18:12 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The public statements merely said "A user has been banned"
2020-03-10T11:18:45 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Now read it this way: "The co-founder of the OSI has been banned"
2020-03-10T11:19:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Stallman's situation was even worse!
2020-03-10T11:19:45 #kisslinux <fehawen> Doesn't read all that well, and also makes one wonder who's in charge of deciding who's to be banned and not
2020-03-10T11:20:12 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Mozilla's founder went through something similar too.
2020-03-10T11:20:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> He created Javascript as well
2020-03-10T11:21:36 #kisslinux <Crestwave> co-founder, no?
2020-03-10T11:21:43 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yep
2020-03-10T11:21:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I just double checked
2020-03-10T11:22:12 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Mitchell Baker is the other founder
2020-03-10T11:22:32 #kisslinux <konimex> /r/linux is suspiciously silent on ESR
2020-03-10T11:22:47 #kisslinux <konimex> maybe because they ate up those FSF propaganda about open source and free software?
2020-03-10T11:22:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The /r/linux subreddit sees a lot of censorship
2020-03-10T11:23:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's also very corporate
2020-03-10T11:23:33 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ie, Youtube links are only allowed through a whitelist
2020-03-10T11:23:35 #kisslinux <Crestwave> IMO brendan was pretty problematic because he actually gave money to foundations (he also started brave now and it's really shady), but I'm not going into that discussion here
2020-03-10T11:23:42 #kisslinux <konimex> Stallman's sacking receives proper attention though
2020-03-10T11:24:09 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Crestwave: It was a single $1000 donation to an anti- gay marriage bill no? Something along those lines
2020-03-10T11:24:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Brave is shady though
2020-03-10T11:24:14 #kisslinux <fehawen> Even if they were to state that it was the decision of the "community", that'd still be a questionnable reason. Just because something's Open Source doesn't mean a project adheres to the rules of democracy. As in, you can't "vote" to have a creator or person in charge removed
2020-03-10T11:24:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > with reference to his donation of $1,000 to California Proposition 8, which called for the banning of same-sex marriage in California.
2020-03-10T11:24:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> (From Wikipedia)
2020-03-10T11:25:32 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> (Not saying what he did was OK by any means)
2020-03-10T11:26:56 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I don't think it's a rightful reason for his subsequent remoal (or well, "resignation") from Mozilla. People have different values.
2020-03-10T11:27:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> That's how I personally see it at least
2020-03-10T11:27:41 #kisslinux <Crestwave> It may have been one donation, but it's still quite different from regular "values". It's a paradox of tolerance kind of thing, I guess
2020-03-10T11:31:20 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://github.com/CAPNAMENOWUPVOTE/LinuxSubredditRules/blob/master/rules.txt#L1327
2020-03-10T11:31:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Here's the youtube whitelist
2020-03-10T11:32:43 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's a very weird ruleset https://github.com/CAPNAMENOWUPVOTE/LinuxSubredditRules/blob/master/rules.txt#L1870
2020-03-10T11:33:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://github.com/CAPNAMENOWUPVOTE/LinuxSubredditRules/blob/master/rules.txt#L1954
2020-03-10T11:33:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://github.com/CAPNAMENOWUPVOTE/LinuxSubredditRules/blob/master/rules.txt#L1965
2020-03-10T11:33:51 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://github.com/CAPNAMENOWUPVOTE/LinuxSubredditRules/blob/master/rules.txt#L2156
2020-03-10T11:40:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://github.com/CAPNAMENOWUPVOTE/LinuxSubredditRules/blob/master/rules.txt#L1205
2020-03-10T11:40:30 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://github.com/CAPNAMENOWUPVOTE/LinuxSubredditRules/blob/master/rules.txt#L1230
2020-03-10T11:41:14 #kisslinux <Crestwave> lol
2020-03-10T11:42:48 #kisslinux <Crestwave> some of them are fairly reasonable in terms of titles, though
2020-03-10T11:43:42 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This entire ruleset is a bit over the top lol
2020-03-10T11:43:52 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's huge and oddly specific in places
2020-03-10T11:44:11 #kisslinux <Crestwave> yeah, but maybe those are actually posted a lot I dunno
2020-03-10T11:44:35 #kisslinux <Crestwave> modding a major subreddit is probably quite horrible, which is why it attracts horrible mods
2020-03-10T13:05:34 #kisslinux <lukasfri> Hey
2020-03-10T13:06:20 #kisslinux <lukasfri> You dont like Ataraxia?
2020-03-10T13:07:25 #kisslinux <lukasfri> Whys that? Did i miss something bad?
2020-03-10T13:09:47 #kisslinux <k1ss> nah, kiss linux is just better ;)
2020-03-10T13:14:19 #kisslinux <lukasfri> Well, its awesome but too strict about minimalism.
2020-03-10T13:14:19 #kisslinux <lukasfri> I need something minimal that can extend if needed
2020-03-10T13:14:36 #kisslinux <lukasfri> Kiss is my nr2
2020-03-10T13:15:30 #kisslinux <lukasfri> My nr1 is that other distro that offers an iso and a kernel and runns steam w/out chroot
2020-03-10T13:18:35 #kisslinux <lukasfri> Kiss could become very poweful tho
2020-03-10T13:18:47 #kisslinux <lukasfri> Never seen such a quick boot
2020-03-10T13:28:33 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You do realize that you are able to extend kiss to your liking?
2020-03-10T13:28:53 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Hell, the base is so tiny that the sky is the limit
2020-03-10T13:29:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You won't find a musl distro that can run steam
2020-03-10T13:29:19 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Or other priprietary software
2020-03-10T13:29:24 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> proprietary*
2020-03-10T13:29:35 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> bbrb
2020-03-10T13:31:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Re Ataraxia: It's not minimal in any sense.
2020-03-10T13:34:15 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > Kiss could become very poweful tho
2020-03-10T13:34:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I don't know what you mean by this
2020-03-10T13:40:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Mozilla released the ESR security advisory: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/advisories/mfsa2020-09/
2020-03-10T13:40:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > CVE-2020-6812: The names of AirPods with personally identifiable information were exposed to websites with camera or microphone permission
2020-03-10T13:41:00 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> lol
2020-03-10T14:58:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> getkiss.org redirects once again
2020-03-10T15:02:51 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Also: https://github.com/sdsddsd1/mywayland
2020-03-10T15:02:57 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Wayland repository for KISS
2020-03-10T15:37:04 #kisslinux <lukasfri> I am aware its less minimal but in exchange Ataraxia has indeed more useful features
2020-03-10T15:39:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Which are?
2020-03-10T15:39:58 #kisslinux <lukasfri> Multible platform support
2020-03-10T15:40:15 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Right
2020-03-10T15:40:18 #kisslinux <lukasfri> Having an iso
2020-03-10T15:40:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You knew this about KISS from the start no?
2020-03-10T15:41:15 #kisslinux <lukasfri> I didnt knew about Ataraxia tho
2020-03-10T15:41:24 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Nothing prevents you from running KISS on another Arch or obtaining an ISO
2020-03-10T15:41:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> So long as you do it yourself
2020-03-10T15:42:34 #kisslinux <lukasfri> Its harder to do
2020-03-10T15:42:43 #kisslinux <lukasfri> But sure
2020-03-10T15:43:05 #kisslinux <lukasfri> I could do it
2020-03-10T15:43:32 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Just so you're aware, Ataraxia can't be called minimal in any sense of the word. It's plagued by the same issues as other distributions. Bad shell code and overall lack of care / sloppiness.
2020-03-10T15:44:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You're free to do whatever you like. I can only inform you of my thoughts.
2020-03-10T15:46:08 #kisslinux <lukasfri> Lack of care?
2020-03-10T15:46:25 #kisslinux <lukasfri> Care about waht
2020-03-10T15:49:46 #kisslinux <lukasfri> Being minimal?
2020-03-10T15:51:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Overall lack of care
2020-03-10T15:52:38 #kisslinux <lukasfri> I dont think we lack of care
2020-03-10T15:53:56 #kisslinux <lukasfri> But however
2020-03-10T15:54:25 #kisslinux <lukasfri> We need no other distro to chroot from or into to use it
2020-03-10T15:54:45 #kisslinux <lukasfri> But well see
2020-03-10T15:57:19 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> o/
2020-03-10T16:19:14 #kisslinux <buffet> oh wayland on kiss
2020-03-10T16:19:15 #kisslinux <buffet> thats hot
2020-03-10T16:38:00 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> buffet: Yup
2020-03-10T16:38:15 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Heads up: https://old.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/fggjvt/oc_just_a_reminder_that_the_mods_will_require_you/
2020-03-10T16:38:42 #kisslinux <buffet> hes *still* going about that?
2020-03-10T16:38:52 #kisslinux <buffet> his post got approved
2020-03-10T16:39:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://old.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/eb7nke/state_of_unixporn_discord_server/fk4dj44/
2020-03-10T16:39:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> lol
2020-03-10T16:41:43 #kisslinux <buffet> also how is that related to the problem, thats another problem and another post ree
2020-03-10T16:49:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ¯_(ツ)_/¯
2020-03-10T17:32:58 #kisslinux <k1ss> <lukasfri> Multible platform support <lukasfri> Having an iso
2020-03-10T17:33:01 #kisslinux <k1ss> more useful features :D
2020-03-10T18:47:24 #kisslinux <hechos> hi guys
2020-03-10T18:47:37 #kisslinux <hechos> im trying to compile sowm
2020-03-10T18:47:56 #kisslinux <hechos> sowm.c:3:10: fatal error: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory
2020-03-10T18:47:57 #kisslinux <hechos> 3 | #include <X11/Xlib.h>
2020-03-10T18:47:59 #kisslinux <hechos> y
2020-03-10T18:51:06 #kisslinux <hechos> alredy found. sorry.
2020-03-10T18:52:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> libX11
2020-03-10T19:06:34 #kisslinux <hechos> how can add patches to sowm?
2020-03-10T19:07:55 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Through KISS or in general?
2020-03-10T19:09:00 #kisslinux <hechos> im on void with sowm
2020-03-10T19:09:28 #kisslinux <hechos> im trying how work kiss on chroot for now.
2020-03-10T19:09:52 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Google "How to apply patches"
2020-03-10T19:10:09 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The general information around the net applies
2020-03-10T19:10:20 #kisslinux <hechos> okey.
2020-03-10T19:10:25 #kisslinux <hechos> thanks.
2020-03-10T19:11:18 #kisslinux <hechos> im thinkin on apply patches to sowm
2020-03-10T19:11:31 #kisslinux <hechos> like rounded corners
2020-03-10T19:11:36 #kisslinux <hechos> stuff like that
2020-03-10T19:38:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> E5ten: https://github.com/dylanaraps/eiwd2
2020-03-10T19:38:28 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Started on eiwd again.
2020-03-10T19:38:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This time in a proper way
2020-03-10T19:38:42 #kisslinux <ioraff> dylanaraps: in the firefox build, is there a reason for no quotes around $LDFLAGS on line 36? The build fails for me unless I quote it.
2020-03-10T19:39:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > export MOZ_LINK_FLAGS=$LDFLAGS
2020-03-10T19:39:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This?
2020-03-10T19:39:11 #kisslinux <ioraff> yes
2020-03-10T19:39:24 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Quotes aren't required around variable declarations
2020-03-10T19:40:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> What's the error from Firefox?
2020-03-10T19:43:50 #kisslinux <ioraff> /var/db/kiss/repo/extra/./firefox/build: 36: export: -Wl,-rpath: bad variable name
2020-03-10T19:44:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Weird
2020-03-10T19:45:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I can't reproduce at all
2020-03-10T19:45:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Which shell? ash?
2020-03-10T19:45:22 #kisslinux <ioraff> dash. that may be why.
2020-03-10T19:45:44 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Ah
2020-03-10T19:46:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Pushed a fix
2020-03-10T19:46:57 #kisslinux <ioraff> thanks
2020-03-10T19:58:14 #kisslinux <illiliti> https://github.com/dylanaraps/eiwd2 << impressive, tnx so much Dylan
2020-03-10T20:01:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> illiliti: :D
2020-03-10T20:01:28 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'm working on main.c right now
2020-03-10T20:01:30 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Lots of ifdefs
2020-03-10T20:01:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Also added --enable-dbus/--disable-dbus
2020-03-10T20:09:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> brb
2020-03-10T20:09:54 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Won't have net while I test
2020-03-10T21:06:20 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> OK
2020-03-10T21:06:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Working eiwd
2020-03-10T21:07:37 #kisslinux <hechos> dylanaraps: git merge and link to patch cannot apply
2020-03-10T21:17:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> hechos: I don't choose to provide support for sowm patches. It's an "You're on your own kinda things".
2020-03-10T21:18:05 #kisslinux <jedavies> dylanaraps: how do you manage your keys for signing releases etc? Use yubikey or anything like that?
2020-03-10T21:20:19 #kisslinux <hechos> im asking cannot pull patches
2020-03-10T21:21:51 #kisslinux <kiedtl> hechos: You'll have to modify the patch yourself to be able to merge it.
2020-03-10T21:22:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> jedavies: Nothing like that, no. Just a really long pass that I recall from memory. (There are multiple offline + external backups too, don't worry!)
2020-03-10T21:22:57 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> E5ten: https://termbin.com/s9df
2020-03-10T21:22:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Tada
2020-03-10T21:23:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> eiwd without dbus using ifdefs
2020-03-10T21:24:48 #kisslinux <hechos> anyways congrats sowm work nice, but still cannot merge patchs from github.
2020-03-10T21:26:29 #kisslinux <E5ten> dylanaraps: nice
2020-03-10T21:26:33 #kisslinux <hechos> im due locally, lets see.
2020-03-10T21:27:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> E5ten: I haven't linked the ifdef with --disable-dbus yet though.
2020-03-10T21:27:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's just always disabled now
2020-03-10T21:28:26 #kisslinux <E5ten> how much work do you expect I'll have to do to adapt the cmake build to the new one?
2020-03-10T21:28:52 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I've left the rest of the code (and build system) intact
2020-03-10T21:29:15 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I've just added --disable-dbus and fixed a non-POSIX ln call
2020-03-10T21:29:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I also vendored in ell as a submodule though this required no changes to anything
2020-03-10T21:29:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> So it'd be a 1:1 rewrite of the normal build system + an addition of --disable-dbus
2020-03-10T21:30:17 #kisslinux <E5ten> oh ok
2020-03-10T21:30:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ie, your Cmake port could be submitted upsteam
2020-03-10T21:30:44 #kisslinux <E5ten> so just adding a dbus option that's disabled by default and enables DBUS define?
2020-03-10T21:30:52 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yeah
2020-03-10T21:31:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Should default to enable dbus
2020-03-10T21:31:03 #kisslinux <E5ten> oh wait you mean 1:1 with theirs not with eiwd's
2020-03-10T21:31:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yes
2020-03-10T21:31:16 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This new one touches basically nothing
2020-03-10T21:31:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's as close to upstream as possible
2020-03-10T21:31:24 #kisslinux <E5ten> I don't think they'll want a cmake build system
2020-03-10T21:31:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Just ifdefs
2020-03-10T21:31:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> (and --disable-dbus)
2020-03-10T21:31:44 #kisslinux <hechos> kiedtl: thanks have to find how can
2020-03-10T21:32:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I have a pretty good understanding of which dbus code is strictly for IPC now
2020-03-10T21:33:20 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I didn't have to ifdef everything
2020-03-10T21:33:28 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Most of it is actually untouched
2020-03-10T21:35:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'm not going to hack a client this time around. It'll just be the working daemon
2020-03-10T21:35:51 #kisslinux <E5ten> so the plan to implement non-dbus IPC and make like a proper client using that is cancelled?
2020-03-10T21:35:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> No
2020-03-10T21:36:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I mean the shell one
2020-03-10T21:36:20 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> For now it'll be just like wpa_supplicant with no IPC
2020-03-10T21:36:40 #kisslinux <E5ten> makes sense
2020-03-10T21:40:42 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> brb 2 secs
2020-03-10T22:15:42 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> E5ten: Released the first version.
2020-03-10T22:15:57 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Also a dist tarball to avoid autohell, libtool and perl.
2020-03-10T22:16:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's also updated in KISS
2020-03-10T22:16:46 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://github.com/dylanaraps/eiwd/releases/tag/1.5
2020-03-10T22:20:40 #kisslinux <E5ten> "Unable to register net.connman.iwd.SimpleConfiguration interface"
2020-03-10T22:21:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Did you build with '--disable-dbus'?
2020-03-10T22:21:25 #kisslinux <E5ten> yeah
2020-03-10T22:21:56 #kisslinux <E5ten> also I can't build without --without-{systemd-{modload,network,unit},dbus-{bus,data}}dir
2020-03-10T22:22:00 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yeah
2020-03-10T22:22:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I know
2020-03-10T22:22:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://termbin.com/ey5r
2020-03-10T22:22:19 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This is how I'm building it
2020-03-10T22:22:20 #kisslinux <claudia2> hey hey, just wanted to say thank you for all the stars to my wayland and game repo (:
2020-03-10T22:22:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> No problem
2020-03-10T22:22:35 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I like what you're doing
2020-03-10T22:22:51 #kisslinux <claudia2> your welcome
2020-03-10T22:22:55 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'm working on submitting OpenSpades
2020-03-10T22:23:00 #kisslinux <claudia2> ++
2020-03-10T22:23:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Not sure if you've heard of it
2020-03-10T22:23:28 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It needs libglu, glew and a bunch of other stuff
2020-03-10T22:23:38 #kisslinux <claudia2> y, if you want to see something there iam open for aditional packages
2020-03-10T22:23:51 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Will do
2020-03-10T22:24:00 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> E5ten: Is that a runtime error?
2020-03-10T22:24:01 #kisslinux <claudia2> y, i think its something like battlefield?
2020-03-10T22:24:20 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebTgfbB70Lw
2020-03-10T22:24:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Skip somewhere in the video
2020-03-10T22:24:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It has a long intro
2020-03-10T22:24:43 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Bad link to post :P
2020-03-10T22:27:34 #kisslinux <E5ten> yeah runtime
2020-03-10T22:27:55 #kisslinux <E5ten> just built it with build.sh, still get that error (and then handshake fails)
2020-03-10T22:28:18 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Send full output of 'iwd -d'?
2020-03-10T22:28:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Might need '> file 2>&1'
2020-03-10T22:28:57 #kisslinux <claudia2> y nice. there also to be some people playing https://aos.acornserver.com/
2020-03-10T22:29:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yeah
2020-03-10T22:30:01 #kisslinux <E5ten> ugh but there's info in that I'll have to scrub and that's effort :(
2020-03-10T22:30:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Just the error portion
2020-03-10T22:30:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The lines around it
2020-03-10T22:30:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> That should be fine
2020-03-10T22:31:28 #kisslinux <claudia2> ah one question came up as I was migrating to wayland. The kiss-reset feature, should is it ready? Its doing nothing and as far as I understand the script there should be no further input needed?
2020-03-10T22:31:53 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Ah
2020-03-10T22:31:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'll double check
2020-03-10T22:32:24 #kisslinux <E5ten> http://ix.io/2dVa not sure if this is the reason the handshake fails or if I have 2 errors we'll see I guess
2020-03-10T22:52:57 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> E5ten: What's the other error?
2020-03-10T22:56:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I aybe fixed it here: https://github.com/dylanaraps/eiwd/commit/b5aae36b131f85bfb5e5c1b11d1cdc0c5ef17ed7
2020-03-10T22:56:18 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> maybe*
2020-03-10T23:16:15 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> E5ten: Pushed another commit
2020-03-10T23:27:09 #kisslinux <dylan02> https://github.com/dylanaraps/eiwd/releases/tag/1.5-1
2020-03-10T23:32:02 #kisslinux <dylan02> Bed for me. E5ten: Let me know if this fixes things. Will see in the morning.
2020-03-10T23:48:12 #kisslinux <konimex> I just discovered something about bmake that makes it work with curl regardless of those cd calls
2020-03-10T23:49:21 #kisslinux <konimex> the -B flag is somehow enabled (without my knowledge) in my test desktop in uni, but not in laptop
2020-03-10T23:51:52 #kisslinux <fehawen> Night night (pardon the lurking, working...)