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2020-03-05T00:12:33 #kisslinux <sirtomato> hello
2020-03-05T00:48:48 #kisslinux <hechos> hello guys
2020-03-05T00:49:11 #kisslinux <hechos> someone can give a directions how can test distro on chroot
2020-03-05T00:49:24 #kisslinux <hechos> please and thank you!
2020-03-05T00:50:35 #kisslinux <konimex> see the install kiss page
2020-03-05T01:01:45 #kisslinux <hechos> konimex: thanks im reading how.
2020-03-05T01:23:10 #kisslinux <E5ten> mforney: I guess I was just being dumb when I tried it before cuz the PR I made earlier today to print after the jobs seems to work fine
2020-03-05T01:25:39 #kisslinux <E5ten> And the one line PR rebased on it also seems to work correctly
2020-03-05T01:44:07 #kisslinux <adamanti`> hey what should the birch host be, i'm trying "chat.freenode.net" and it's not econnecting
2020-03-05T01:45:18 #kisslinux <adamanti`> ./birch -s chat.freenode.net -u adamantium -p xxxxxxxxxxx -P 6667 -c kisslinux
2020-03-05T01:51:24 #kisslinux <adamanti`> and nothing really happens, I see the interface, but no messages from the server
2020-03-05T03:37:44 #kisslinux <icyphox> adamantium[m]: Perhaps the channel should be '#kisslinux'?
2020-03-05T04:02:30 #kisslinux <E5ten> dylanaraps: what can I do to get something like [[ -nt in POSIX sh? like using find or something I guess but I'm not sure how
2020-03-05T07:29:33 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> adamantium: birch by default will connect to freenode and this channel.
2020-03-05T07:29:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Just set the nick. :P
2020-03-05T07:43:20 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> E5ten: find or stat probably. Hell, even 'ls -l' if the other two don't work.
2020-03-05T08:16:20 #kisslinux <konimex> hmmm... I'm planning to showcase cross-compiler for Wyverkiss but how ARM triplet works is confusing to me
2020-03-05T08:19:02 #kisslinux <konimex> jedavies: is kiss-aarch64 specific to pinebook or would I be able to use it for other ARM systems?
2020-03-05T09:20:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I may have removed the nodejs dep from Firefox
2020-03-05T09:20:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 80 minutes into the build
2020-03-05T09:20:18 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It might be at the expense of the dev tools.
2020-03-05T09:21:52 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Aw
2020-03-05T09:21:56 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I need to stop the build
2020-03-05T09:21:57 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> lol
2020-03-05T09:22:30 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> be on later
2020-03-05T12:57:47 #kisslinux <KayW> my school just made us take an internet survey on if we had internet and a computer at home
2020-03-05T12:57:56 #kisslinux <KayW> I have a feeling that they're going to close the schools
2020-03-05T13:47:16 #kisslinux <Crestwave> Finally got my bf interpreter in rc fully functional. I get how people want a simpler shell, but removing what's basic functionality IMO doesn't seem to be the way to go about it...
2020-03-05T13:47:18 #kisslinux <Crestwave> https://github.com/Crestwave/bf/blob/master/rc/bf.rc
2020-03-05T13:48:39 #kisslinux <Crestwave> The interpreter also seems fragile or something; using heredocs in command substitution doesn't seem to work
2020-03-05T13:49:09 #kisslinux <Crestwave> so every time you want to increment a variable, you do var=`{echo $var+1 | bc} (assuming var is already set to a number)...
2020-03-05T13:49:26 #kisslinux <Crestwave> (and echo is an external command)
2020-03-05T14:40:52 #kisslinux <kiedtl> o/
2020-03-05T14:43:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> dylanaraps, any reason `QUIT` events aren't showing up in birch?
2020-03-05T14:44:11 #kisslinux <kiedtl> https://0x0.st/iTXl.png
2020-03-05T14:45:25 #kisslinux <kiedtl> log of server msgs: http://0x0.st/iTXU.png
2020-03-05T14:46:31 #kisslinux <ThursdayNext> Hey mom I'm on 0x0.st
2020-03-05T14:47:06 #kisslinux <ThursdayNext> Btw I just saw: "<-- asxpyre has left #kisslinux~". Is that not quit? Or just part?
2020-03-05T14:51:36 #kisslinux <ThursdayNext> Ah: "<-- undrru has quit #kisslinux"
2020-03-05T15:02:49 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ThursdayNext: that was a part
2020-03-05T15:02:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> kiedtl: Bug!
2020-03-05T15:03:09 #kisslinux <kiedtl> looks like some quits are ignored and some aren't
2020-03-05T15:03:15 #kisslinux <kiedtl> what lol
2020-03-05T15:03:17 #kisslinux <dzove855> dylanaraps: what do you think around adding this in birch https://github.com/dzove855/birch/blob/master/birch (see my last commit on it)
2020-03-05T15:03:52 #kisslinux <kiedtl> dylanaraps: http://0x0.st/iTXd.png
2020-03-05T15:05:38 #kisslinux <kiedtl> brb
2020-03-05T15:05:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> kiedtl: Yup. Will fix.
2020-03-05T15:06:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> dzove855: I left a comment on the commit.
2020-03-05T15:06:30 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> kiedtl: Yup. Will fix.
2020-03-05T15:06:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> kiedtl: When did you last update birch? It seems to work here.
2020-03-05T15:07:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl> just now :P
2020-03-05T15:07:59 #kisslinux <kiedtl> nvm, sorry.
2020-03-05T15:08:09 #kisslinux <dzove855> dylanaraps: will have a look tonight on it. It should be possible without extglob
2020-03-05T15:08:45 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> brb 2 secs
2020-03-05T15:08:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> dzove855: Alrighty
2020-03-05T16:41:15 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> lol
2020-03-05T16:41:15 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://old.reddit.com/r/commandline/comments/fdvca2/a_super_fast_and_extremely_minimal_shell_prompt/
2020-03-05T16:41:15 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> They don't realize
2020-03-05T16:41:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> lobsters was far more awake
2020-03-05T16:41:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> kiedtl:
2020-03-05T16:59:58 #kisslinux <kiedtl> sheesh
2020-03-05T17:00:05 #kisslinux <kiedtl> do people not have a sense of humor lol
2020-03-05T17:02:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl> but then again, when i posted on lobsters I tagged it as "satire".
2020-03-05T17:11:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> he he he
2020-03-05T17:11:46 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I've figured out how to remove the python dep from grub.
2020-03-05T17:11:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It isn't actually needed at all.
2020-03-05T17:12:41 #kisslinux <Shyiskhar> Hah. There was a guy in a telegram group earlier arguing that it wasn't a joke at all, but rather an advanced means to allow users to develop their own minimal prompt easily.
2020-03-05T17:14:19 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This is how I know it's good satire
2020-03-05T17:18:15 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://github.com/kisslinux/repo/commit/7dc7394fd48344b2e90fb90b31ea719740f70557
2020-03-05T17:18:16 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Tada
2020-03-05T17:18:18 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> So
2020-03-05T17:19:16 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Grub uses (and checks for!) Python during build. Turns out it's only used for a script which replaces autotools. As we're using a release tarball, these files are already present and generated.
2020-03-05T17:19:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> So this whole python nonsense is actually unneeded
2020-03-05T17:19:43 #kisslinux <dzove855> dylanaraps: Great :D
2020-03-05T17:20:12 #kisslinux <dzove855> dylanaraps: also i updated my repo without extglob? Did you want it in you birch? if yes i create a pull request
2020-03-05T17:20:20 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Sure
2020-03-05T17:20:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's a simple addition
2020-03-05T17:23:07 #kisslinux <kiedtl> when I first started using Linux I found promptless and started to use it
2020-03-05T17:23:27 #kisslinux <kiedtl> for a while I didn't even realize it was a joke :D
2020-03-05T17:23:53 #kisslinux <dzove855> kiedtl: i hope you used it through docker! if not shame on you!
2020-03-05T17:24:06 #kisslinux <kiedtl> hehe
2020-03-05T17:24:13 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I didn't know what docker was
2020-03-05T17:24:22 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ignorant me
2020-03-05T17:25:00 #kisslinux <dzove855> well trust me, you didn't missed anything
2020-03-05T17:26:22 #kisslinux <dzove855> time to go home. See ya later
2020-03-05T17:27:14 #kisslinux <kiedtl> cya
2020-03-05T17:28:13 #kisslinux <k1ss> dylanaraps: you think its possible to get the chroot even more smaller?
2020-03-05T17:30:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> k1ss: Yeah
2020-03-05T17:31:30 #kisslinux <k1ss> dylanaraps: question about libelf, is it really needed in the chroot? afaik sourcemage doesnt ship it in their chroot too
2020-03-05T17:31:41 #kisslinux <fehawen> 7quit
2020-03-05T17:31:45 #kisslinux <fehawen> Lol, sry
2020-03-05T17:31:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> np
2020-03-05T17:31:57 #kisslinux <fehawen> Later, btw
2020-03-05T17:32:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> k1ss: That's < 500K in size
2020-03-05T17:32:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> GCC is 100MB
2020-03-05T17:32:13 #kisslinux <k1ss> fair enough :p
2020-03-05T17:32:16 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> That's where to look for size reductions
2020-03-05T17:32:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> libelf is needed for the kernel, I could remove it from the chroot
2020-03-05T17:32:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> As I've done with ncurses/perl
2020-03-05T17:32:44 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Will do so actually
2020-03-05T17:32:56 #kisslinux <kiedtl> 100 stars for promptless :D
2020-03-05T17:33:14 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I wonder how many stars it takes to get onto the trending page?
2020-03-05T17:33:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's not amount
2020-03-05T17:33:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's frequency
2020-03-05T17:33:43 #kisslinux <kiedtl> oh
2020-03-05T17:34:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'm adding samurai to core as it's 50kb in size and so so very useful.
2020-03-05T17:34:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Though I haven't fully made up my mind yet.
2020-03-05T17:35:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I may go ahead with this once samurai's usage grows
2020-03-05T17:38:08 #kisslinux <k1ss> dylanaraps: are you using the testing gcc btw?
2020-03-05T17:40:10 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yes
2020-03-05T17:40:32 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Repos have been ready for GCC 10 for a couple of weeks now
2020-03-05T17:40:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Just two packages don't build due to a GCC 10 bug.
2020-03-05T17:40:55 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Which will be fixed prior to release of GCC 10
2020-03-05T17:50:17 #kisslinux <k1ss> dylanaraps: which packages?
2020-03-05T17:52:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://github.com/kisslinux/repo/issues/146
2020-03-05T17:52:35 #kisslinux <kiedtl> dylanaraps: are binaries stripped before being packed into the chroot tarball?
2020-03-05T17:52:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> kiedtl: Yes
2020-03-05T17:52:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The package manager automatically does this
2020-03-05T17:53:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> k1ss: The two unticked packages still don't build.
2020-03-05T17:54:04 #kisslinux <k1ss> ah kk, will you still work on the package manager or is it mostly done?
2020-03-05T17:55:12 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> What's missing?
2020-03-05T17:57:18 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=93582
2020-03-05T17:57:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> libXt will be fixed in the next GCC snapshot (and GCC 10 final)
2020-03-05T17:57:32 #kisslinux <k1ss> dylanaraps: can't think of anything really, since you want to keep it pretty minimal I guess?
2020-03-05T18:01:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'd like to keep it < 1000 lines in length. It's currently at 690~ LOC.
2020-03-05T18:01:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Nothing "essential" is missing from what _I_ can see
2020-03-05T18:02:19 #kisslinux <E5ten> I wish the kernel would just have its own tiny libelf implementation that only provides what objtool needs
2020-03-05T18:02:27 #kisslinux <E5ten> it's a very annoying makedep
2020-03-05T18:02:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> E5ten: As do I
2020-03-05T18:02:30 #kisslinux <k1ss> dylanaraps: do you care about other package managers at all? like check what they do and whatnot to improve our kiss package manager?
2020-03-05T18:02:54 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> k1ss: I don't really care for what other distributions do at all
2020-03-05T18:03:34 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I don't think the package manager is lacking anywhere short of maybe a "replaces" system.
2020-03-05T18:04:03 #kisslinux <k1ss> >I don't really care for what other distributions do at all
2020-03-05T18:04:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> We might swap to xz for package tarballs sometime in the future
2020-03-05T18:04:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> No real rush though
2020-03-05T18:04:18 #kisslinux <k1ss> probably thats why KISS is so good and kinda unique
2020-03-05T18:06:00 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The most important difference is the use of the word "no"
2020-03-05T18:06:23 #kisslinux <k1ss> What you mean? :P
2020-03-05T18:06:49 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I say "no" a lot
2020-03-05T18:07:50 #kisslinux <k1ss> If they don't like it they can just do their own stuff anyway
2020-03-05T18:07:56 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Exactly
2020-03-05T18:08:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This keeps KISS small and focused
2020-03-05T18:08:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I don't like automating everything either
2020-03-05T18:09:46 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> There's also no governance structure. It's only me
2020-03-05T18:10:12 #kisslinux <k1ss> Will you keep it that way?
2020-03-05T18:10:18 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yes
2020-03-05T18:10:29 #kisslinux <k1ss> It's a lot of work too..
2020-03-05T18:10:35 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Not really
2020-03-05T18:11:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Any user can maintain their system by themselves
2020-03-05T18:11:33 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> KISS is designed this way
2020-03-05T18:12:11 #kisslinux <k1ss> hm, seems like its easy to do forks and stuff I guess
2020-03-05T18:12:34 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> No no. The official repositories are entirely optional
2020-03-05T18:12:45 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The entire distribution can be maintained without me
2020-03-05T18:13:10 #kisslinux <k1ss> Why did you choose that way?
2020-03-05T18:13:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Every KISS install contains the entire sources for the distribution
2020-03-05T18:13:32 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> There's no infrastructure either
2020-03-05T18:14:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Nothing to go down (minus the website of which is available locally in every kiss install)
2020-03-05T18:14:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Better wording would probably be "Nothing to lose access to"
2020-03-05T18:14:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> (If something happens to me (knock on wood))
2020-03-05T18:14:56 #kisslinux <k1ss> Thats pretty amazing.
2020-03-05T18:14:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I chose it this way to give full power to the user
2020-03-05T18:15:32 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I am the dictator at the top though nothing forces you to follow me
2020-03-05T18:17:10 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> KISS is just a repository and package manager
2020-03-05T18:17:38 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> with the install tarball as the "base" for your installation
2020-03-05T18:19:31 #kisslinux <k1ss> What about the name "KISS Linux" are other people allowed to use it too or do they have do choose their own name?
2020-03-05T18:19:34 #kisslinux <k1ss> For example as a fork or something
2020-03-05T18:21:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> There's no business or organization behind KISS so there's also no trademark or copyright behind the name.
2020-03-05T18:21:24 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I do have a sublicense from the Linux foundation to use the "Linux" brand.
2020-03-05T18:22:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You may find it difficult (or impossible) to receive a sublicense for "KISS Linux" as _I_ already hold it
2020-03-05T18:22:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Though, other than that there's nothing stopping you from using the name.
2020-03-05T18:23:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'll be unhappy were the name to be copied though legally I can't do anything about it.
2020-03-05T18:24:20 #kisslinux <k1ss> Thats fair, I just did read about something like "kissD" lately
2020-03-05T18:37:48 #kisslinux <claudia> hello hello
2020-03-05T18:38:35 #kisslinux <claudia> dylanaraps: I have a internet connection is kind of laggy and birch seems to loose connection
2020-03-05T18:39:02 #kisslinux <claudia> and doesnt reconnect.
2020-03-05T18:42:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yes
2020-03-05T18:43:20 #kisslinux <claudia> for some kind of bugreport
2020-03-05T18:51:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> brb
2020-03-05T19:41:08 #kisslinux <Shyiskhar> when do we get kiss arm edition for the pinephone? This is the important question.
2020-03-05T19:43:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> When someone releases one
2020-03-05T19:45:49 #kisslinux <Shyiskhar> That's a pretty reasonable answer.
2020-03-05T20:28:05 #kisslinux <chansen> :q
2020-03-05T20:29:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Hello
2020-03-05T20:29:22 #kisslinux <KayW> howdy
2020-03-05T20:29:53 #kisslinux <chansen> :)
2020-03-05T20:30:06 #kisslinux <chansen> I really needed to try out birch.
2020-03-05T20:30:12 #kisslinux <chansen> This is soooo cool <3
2020-03-05T20:30:28 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Let me know if you find any bugs.
2020-03-05T20:30:43 #kisslinux <chansen> Sure thing :)
2020-03-05T20:37:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> LLVM 10 is coming in a few days apparently
2020-03-05T20:39:56 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> We might see GCC 9.3 before 10.0 too
2020-03-05T20:43:48 #kisslinux <kiedtl> wq
2020-03-05T20:43:56 #kisslinux <kiedtl> oops sry
2020-03-05T20:44:35 #kisslinux <chansen> Heh :) How does one quit birch though? Should I just kill the terminal?
2020-03-05T20:44:47 #kisslinux <chansen> Can't seem to find any docs?
2020-03-05T20:44:53 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> '/quit' or Ctrl+C
2020-03-05T20:45:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I still need to write documentation
2020-03-05T20:45:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Apologies
2020-03-05T20:45:31 #kisslinux <chansen> You rock, sir.
2020-03-05T20:56:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Added docs: https://github.com/dylanaraps/birch/
2020-03-05T20:56:34 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Or the start of them
2020-03-05T20:56:38 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> chansen:
2020-03-05T20:56:43 #kisslinux <chansen> Wow! That was fast :D
2020-03-05T20:58:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> :P
2020-03-05T20:58:55 #kisslinux <chansen> I hadn't even thought about buffers. This is great.
2020-03-05T20:59:56 #kisslinux <chansen> Oh, Dylan btw.. I've been using sowm for a few days. If there any way to spawn predefined terminals?
2020-03-05T21:00:33 #kisslinux <chansen> Like if I had cava in a certain size at workspace 2
2020-03-05T21:00:45 #kisslinux <chansen> If/is
2020-03-05T21:01:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> There is not
2020-03-05T21:01:49 #kisslinux <chansen> kay
2020-03-05T21:01:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> A patch would be needed
2020-03-05T21:03:05 #kisslinux <chansen> :)
2020-03-05T22:18:17 #kisslinux <TwistedFate> y'all need some more haka https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuTWyVFs_XU
2020-03-05T22:19:34 #kisslinux <fehawen> evening folks o/
2020-03-05T22:19:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ello
2020-03-05T22:20:56 #kisslinux <fehawen> dylanaraps: Nice readme update for birch
2020-03-05T22:24:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Thanks
2020-03-05T22:24:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Only took a couple of minutes :P
2020-03-05T22:27:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ioraff: See my latest comment
2020-03-05T22:29:30 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The lazy-extractors feature also speeds up regular unzipped youtube-dl fyi
2020-03-05T22:29:55 #kisslinux <E5ten> dylanaraps: as far as I can tell "tail -<num>" isn't POSIX, but "tail -n <num>" is so you might wanna change that in birch
2020-03-05T22:30:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Thanks
2020-03-05T22:31:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Fixed
2020-03-05T22:40:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> bed time
2020-03-05T23:05:25 #kisslinux <kiedtl> wtf: https://0x0.st/iTNS.png
2020-03-05T23:26:42 #kisslinux <fehawen> kiedtl: lol, wtf is wtf?
2020-03-05T23:27:49 #kisslinux <kiedtl> something to do with webkit2gtk lol
2020-03-05T23:33:59 #kisslinux <fehawen> hah