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NUMBER OF LINES: 999 001=Usr:0 Null User 06/30/87 20:34 Msg:0 Call:0 Lines:19 1$If you are in need of help, you need but ask... 2$************************* INSTALLED: 13 AUG 89 *************************** 3$Welcome to BWMS II (BackWater Message System II) Mike Day System operator 4$************************************************************************** 5$GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS II IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION 6$ PLACED ON THIS SYSTEM. 7$BWMS II was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS II is a privately 8$owned and operated system which is currently open for use by the general 9$public. No restrictions are placed on the use of the system. As the 10$system is privately owned, I retain the right to remove any and all 11$messages which I may find offensive. Because of the limited size of the 12$system, it will be periodically purged of messages (only 999 lines of data 13$can be saved). To leave a message, type 'ENTER'. Use ctrl/C to get out 14$the ENTER mode. The message is automatically stored. If after entering 15$the message you find you made a mistake, use the replace command to 16$replace the line. To exit from the system, type 'BYE' then hang up. 17$Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system. 18$************************************************************************** 19$ 002=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 08/13/89 19:26 Msg:4231 Call:23268 Lines:3 20 Somebody has to have the last word. If not, every argument could be opposed 21 by another and we'd never be done with it. -- Albert Camus 22 ************************************************************************** 003=Usr:115 John Bach 08/13/89 20:55 Msg:4232 Call:23270 Lines:5 23 24 25 Wow!!!!! I'm the first !!! HAHAHAHAHAH :-) 26 27 -- John Bach 004=Usr:4 Milchar 08/13/89 21:25 Msg:4233 Call:23272 Lines:3 28 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 29 Methinks I detected some sneakiness at the bottom of DB... Hummm.... 30 ++++++++++ Almost-but-not-quite lurk mode-ing, Milch ++++++++++++++++ 005=Usr:33 Mike Stanfill 08/13/89 23:14 Msg:4234 Call:23276 Lines:143 31 /*/*/*/*/*/*/* 32 > I think that the word "current" is used strictly as a time reference 33 >and not a state of being. That is, the word is used with the concept of 34 > a moving frame of reference (time). 35 36 OK, I have no problem with belief systems that do not change over 37 time (perhaps the believer has found no reason to change them.) 38 39 > (swob) "A person may of course decide upon either one based upon his best 40 > information. But surely only one can be correct." 41 > 42 > To assume a dicotomy (sp), is to assume a defined state of being. 43 44 Yes: any state of being in which "not true" means "false" and 45 "not false" means "true." Perhaps my meaning was not clear in 46 the quoted material. I said that only one could be true assuming 47 that "just a man in the right place at the right time" meant "NOT 48 the Son of God, but ONLY ..." - which contains the complement of 49 "the Son of God." I'm not saying that Jesus could not have been 50 BOTH or NEITHER. Indeed, if he was the Son of God, it would make 51 sense that He would be a Man in the right place at the right 52 time. If he was NOT the Son of God, it would make sense that he 53 was certainly NOT in the right place at the right time (since the 54 Romans killed him). But he must either be the Son of God or not. 55 If you're saying that I must embrace a view which allows for 56 something to be BOTH true and false or NEITHER true nor false, 57 I'm afraid I cannot imagine such states, and will not allow them 58 in any event. 59 60 > An incorrect perspective would make your answer false, 61 > but you can't really show that either perspective is correct to 62 > begin with. 63 64 I don't deny that I cannot prove that "not true" means "false." 65 On what am I to base my proof? You have eliminated one of the 66 very bases of logic. Indeed, you may eliminate *all* of them with 67 the kind of argument you are using here. You say that I accept 68 the tenets of logic without question? I confess! I do! I 69 know that they are something I have learned - nonetheless I 70 believe them to be true. It's all well and good to try to get 71 around built-up ideas in order to see what they are based on, 72 but if you take away the basis, you have nothing left! To 73 paraphrase: "it is good that the window is transparent, because 74 the landscape beyond it is opaque. If you see through everything, 75 then everything is invisible." 76 77 > So, you really are reduced to "I think, ergo, I Am", 78 > because your conscienceness implies that you must exist first before 79 > you can arrive at that conclusion. 80 81 You forget that you are accepting without question a system of 82 reality in which conciousness implies existance. Never mind 83 that you can't think of another system - you might just not know. 84 85 > You are left with a multitude of 86 > choices; personally I feel that a compromise would best serve 87 > this. 88 89 Between what and what? You have said that the only thing 90 hich can be known is that one exists. Where is the choice 91 in that? To know it or not? 92 93 > You have to assume ALL views before you can be truely 94 > correct. 95 96 Then why are you attempting to correct me? If you assume 97 my view, why argue? Indeed, if you believe that everything 98 other than "I do not exist" is true, what should possess you 99 to post to a bulletin board? 100 101 > Yes, that is all-encompasing and broad, but it's the 102 > only way I'm aware of to compensate for this situation. Funny 103 > thought: I'm using logic in an attempt to describe itself. 104 105 Actually, you are using logic to destroy itself. If you must 106 accept every idea, then you must accept its negation, and if 107 nothing can be determined to be true or false (or even your both 108 or neither), then logic has nothing in which to manifest itself. 109 110 > Redundant, isn't it?;->) 111 112 No. Applying logic to its own basis is not redundant, it is 113 meaningless. Of course the bases of logic are not *!*logical*!* 114 (i.e. following from ideas previously determined to be true); they 115 are the essence of Logic itself - there is nothing below them. 116 117 > (swob) "I think that logic is quite robust, actually. Paradoxes are 118 > nonsense in that they are not logical. "This sentence is 119 > false" does not attack the foundation of logic unless part 120 > of that foundation is that all sentences are logically 121 > coherent." 122 > 123 > Paradoxes ARE logical. 124 125 By the strict definition, SOME paradoxes are logical in that 126 though they *appear* illogical, they may be shown to be true. 127 The paradoxes I was referring to are those which are *inherently* 128 illogical, such as "this sentence is false." 129 130 > But the logic system you must be using 131 > seems to be binary. 132 133 Indeed, it is. I know no other. 134 135 > There are at least FOUR answers: it is true, it is false, it is 136 > BOTH, it is NONE. The fifth: it doesn't matter (actually appling 137 > (sp) applying non-logic and chaos). 138 139 I suppose you can invent your own logical values. I don't 140 suppose anyone's going to listen to you, though. 141 142 > Ponder this, and other multi- 143 > answer logic systems, and you might understand why views are never 144 > always correct (as above). 145 146 Views are then never EVER correct in the sense that most every- 147 one understands 'correct.' Saying 'this is correct' means 'if 148 you happen to subscribe to this logic, then this follows from 149 the axioms.' Which says nothing meaningful. You could have 150 just as easily (wait! much more easily!) made it a self- 151 evident truth (axiom), and it would carry the same weight. You 152 could just as easily counter it by making its complement 153 (complement in my limited, binary sense) a self-evident truth. 154 To hold all views is to hold no view. 155 156 > Any of those five answers can be used 157 > to justify a viewpoint. 158 159 Not convincingly... 160 161 ***For those of you who just read the Handey quotes (you know who 162 you are) || 163 \/ 164 "Memories of my family outings still are a source of strength to me. 165 I remember we'd all pile into the car - I forget what kind it was - 166 and drive and drive, I'm not sure where we'd go, but I think there 167 were some trees there. The smell of something was strong in the 168 air as we played whatever sport we played. I remember a bigger, older 169 guy whom we called 'Dad.' We'd eat some stuff, or not, and then _ 170 I think we went home. I guess some things never leave you." /#) 171 -Jack Handey, "Deep Thoughts" n n n (#/ 172 / ~~~ ~~~ \/ 173 /*/*/*/*/*/*/* -swob (a Self-Willed Orange Blancmange) /___/____\__\ 006=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 08/14/89 12:55 Msg:4235 Call:23285 Lines:83 174 696969696969 175 NEW HIGH CALLED DANGEROUS:-8/10/89 176 After cheap highs like glue sniffing and mushroom tripping, the latest way 177 to catch a buzz is to lick a toad. A University of Michigan expert notes that 178 Colorado River toads excrete a chemical called bufotenine when agitated. The 179 Drug Enforcement Agency reports that they have reports of people licking the 180 chemical from the toads to get high - a felony that can also be fatal. 181 So, girls, before you try to turn that ugly frog into a handsome prince, 182 remember, no tongue. 183 PIERCE NOT SO DETACHED:-8/10/89 184 Embattled former housing chief Samuel Pierce played a strong role in 185 Republican politics and civil rights, internal HUD documents show. The just 186 released documents also show Pierce was aggressive about using his clout to 187 oversee some housing decisions. Documents include personal and professional 188 letters to the likes of Sen. Strom Thurmond, R-S.C. 189 A vacant HUD office is this week's hottest Washington, D.C., news- 190 gathering spot. The former quarters of a federal homeless council are the 191 temporary repository for 48 boxes of files from HUD chief Samuel Pierce's 192 eight years in office. So far, 47 reporters have dug through the documents, 193 freed by a New York Times Freedom of Information Act request. 194 Lee Atwater, head of the Republican National Committee, had this comment: 195 "I really don't understand why anyone's upset about what happened at HUD during 196 the Reagan years. What we Republicans did was no different that what Democrats 197 have done. The only difference I see, is that the Democrats were actually 198 foolish enough to build some buildings that actually helped the poor and home- 199 less. Oh, yeah, and each of Republicans were getting six and seven digit 200 payoffs, why those foolish Democrats only took 4 or 5 figure fees. Let me say 201 on behalf of all good Bush/Reagan Republicans everywhere, that we feel that our 202 actions are the only ways to ensure a Republican majority in the House in this 203 decade. Let me assure the American voters, that we, as a party, will continue 204 to abuse government at every opportunity for the benefit of the obscenely 205 wealthy, but only at the expense of the poor and homeless. Well, okay, maybe 206 the middle-class will suffer some too, but only the lower middle-class, and 207 since you're a Republican, you're not one of those anyway...are you?" 208 209 `SOFT LANDING' HERE, FED SAYS:-8/10/89 210 The Federal Reserve's latest report on the economy's health offers strong 211 evidence that the much talked about "soft landing" is here. In its new beige 212 book, released Wednesday, the Fed reports that: The nation's economy continues 213 to grow slowly, with no sign of a recession and inflation remains subdued 214 across the nation. 215 Of the nine districts reporting on prices or inflation in the Fed's beige 216 book, eight say inflation is leveling off or slowing. The Boston-based first 217 district says businesses agree that materials prices have peaked and that 218 selling prices are rising modestly at most. 219 Manufacturing shows slow growth in several districts and declining 220 activity in some areas, according to the Fed's beige book. Among those 221 reporting declines was the eighth district, headquartered in St. Louis. 222 Auto sales are weak in a majority of districts, although Dallas (the 11th 223 district) reports significantly stronger sales, according to the Fed's beige 224 book. One reason car sales are up there, economists say, is the 11th district 225 is rebounding from its energy recession. 226 227 ECONOMIST FORECASTS RECESSION: 228 Despite indications of a "soft landing," the economy already has entered a 229 period of severe contraction that will be worsened by persistently high 230 interest rates, an economic forecasting service warned Wednesday. The nation 231 shouldn't kid itself by seeing only what it wants to see, said Walter J. 232 Williams, president of American Business Econometrics, Inc. A recession is 233 here, he says. 234 It's just a re-creation on the evening news. 235 236 100B-WATT POWER SHORTAGE SEEN:-8/10/89 237 Alternative energy sources must be employed to prevent a huge shortage in 238 electrical generating capacity, estimated at 100 billion watts by the year 239 2000, according to retired Lt. Gen. James A. Abrahamson, former Strategic 240 Defense Initiative Office director who spoke Wednesday to the Intersociety 241 Energy Conversion Engineering Conference in Arlington, Va. 242 243 VIDEO ADS BUG VIEWERS:-8/10/89 244 Consumers are ticked off about commercials on videocassettes they rent, 245 even as more auto and soft-drink spots are being spliced onto movie tapes, an 246 A.C. Nielsen survey shows. Sixty-six percent of VCR owners said they fast- 247 forwarded through commercials at the beginning of rented movies. Even so, the 248 commercials won't be going away anytime soon. 249 VIDEO ADS HELP SALES: 250 Based on studies from A.C. Nielsen Co. and others commissioned by Disney, 251 the company discovered pre-selling to customers is a key ingredient to sell- 252 through success with video specialty stores, according to Video Business 253 magazine. 254 255 696969696969696969 256 007=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 08/14/89 13:54 Msg:4236 Call:23287 Lines:78 257 ...................................................... 258 As she touched the goblet to her lips, a shudder passed thru her body. She 259 had put most of the pieces together, and knew now that she had met this "Friar" 260 before. She was still not sure who she was, or why she was here, but she also 261 knew that she would answer those questions soon. The liquid tasted good as she 262 swallowed and looked around. The others in the room seemed to pay them little 263 heed, altho at one table, in the shadows, lurked another familiar looking 264 faces. But, tho they looked so ache-ing-ly familiar, she could not quite 265 gather their names. She looked deeply into Friar's eyes and spoke: 266 "We have met before. Even tho my memory is still less than complete, I am 267 quite certain of that. From deep in your mind is a fragment of a distant 268 memory. I feel the images of this place, and of some dealings with you. Then 269 one of us leaves and the other follows. I remember a pool, and some darkness." 270 Friar looked startled. She couldn't tell if he recognized her or not. The 271 cast of his eye had definitely changed. He seemed to lean away from her. 272 "I don't recall if we were enemies or friends, " she continued. "But we 273 must put whatever our relationship was, aside. I have come to try to correct a 274 grevious wrong. And I'm going to need your help!" 275 Before Friar could respond to all this, the lurkers seemed to notice the 276 lavish spread he had before him. "Can you get this bag of yours to give us 277 some of this fine food?" the taller one asked. "We have been travelling for 278 a great distance, and have no money. The Innkeeper has let us stay in, out of 279 the weather, and occasionally fed us, but we hate to keep imposing on him. 280 Perhaps we could impose on you a bit, " the shorter one said. Friar turned 281 back around to check with her, to gauge her reaction to their request. But the 282 chair in which she had been sitting was empty. 283 284 ............................................... 285 286 696969696969 287 CONTRA - U.S. LET US DOWN:-8/14/89 288 Contra leader Adolfo Calero, in the wake of a Central American pact to 289 demobilize his rebels, Sunday said the United States let his forces down. They 290 could have lobbied harder, they could have shown more support so that the 291 forces would remain in place until after the elections as the only guarantee 292 for free elections in Nicaragua, he said. 293 It's always nice to be appreciated by those you have given millions and 294 millions of dollars to, sacrificed the Constitution for, run drugs to support, 295 etc. 296 S&LS STRUGGLE TO MEET STANDARDS:-8/14/89 297 According to an exclusive USA TODAY-Gannett News Service computer study: 298 520 of the nation's 2,959 savings and loans had no tangible capital on March 299 31. At least half of those 520 already are targeted to be closed by the 300 government, and many of the others will need government help to survive. 301 Another 148 S&Ls have between zero and 1.5 percent tangible capital. 302 303 INFLATION DOWN BUT NOT OUT:-8/14/89 304 Inflation isn't dead but it is down, thanks partly to easing 305 food and energy costs. The latest inflation news came Friday when 306 the Bureau of Labor Statistics said wholesale prices fell 0.4 307 percent in July, from June. More good news is expected this 308 Friday, when BLS will likely say consumer prices rose a scant 0.2 309 percent last month. 310 Most economists agree inflation has topped out for now. Their consensus: 311 consumer prices will rise at a 4 percent to 4.5 percent annual pace in the 312 second half. Edward Guay, chief economist at insurers CIGNA Corp., expects the 313 economy will slow enough to keep consumer prices rising at just a 3.5 percent 314 annual pace for the next year or so. 315 On Friday the Bureau of Labor Statistics said wholesale prices - what 316 businesses pay for goods and services - fell in July as: Energy costs dropped 317 3 percent from June, after a 3.1 percent decline in June from May; food prices 318 rose just 0.1 percent, after June's 0.8 percent fall; excluding food and 319 energy costs, wholesale prices fell 0.2 percent in July. 320 The overall July decline was the sharpest monthly fall in wholesale prices 321 since a 0.8 percent drop in July 1986. Inflation has tailed off during the 322 past two months not only because of a slowing in energy and food price 323 increases, economists say, but also because of the Federal Reserve Board's 324 policies. 325 326 DARMAN TELLS FED TO LOWER RATE: 327 Richard Darman, director of the Office of Management and Budget, strongly 328 urged the Federal Reserve to let interest rates drop. Speaking on NBC's "Meet 329 the Press," Darman told an interviewer it was a fair conclusion that he wanted 330 rates to fall. He suggested that the Fed had kept too tight a grip on the 331 money supply for too long. 332 333 696969696969696969 334 008=Usr:33 Mike Stanfill 08/15/89 01:34 Msg:4237 Call:23296 Lines:63 335@/*/*/*/*/*/*/* 336@". ews' ralelk . ieabacage." 337@Tewrsehe ihebrdhspeetfr and 338@tenal idess creatures he was likely to be mistaken for: the 339@irtoal, mischevious, and often deadly *PINK* blancmanges of his own 340 /*/*/*/*/*/*/* 341 "... he wasn't *really* a man. He was more like ... like a blancmange." 342 The words echoed within his mind as he remembered his present form and 343 the nearly mindless creatures he was likely to be mistaken for: the 344 irrational, mischevious, and often deadly *PINK* blancmanges of his own 345 planet, Skyron. Tales were often told of the renegade blancmanges that 346 transmuted an entire nation over a simple tournament - tales that would 347 likely be known by the occupants of the building ahead. They'd probably 348 have sterling, too. It was definitely best to assume another shape. 349 By the looks of the doorway, most of the beings inside were humanoid. 350 Perhaps he should become a Scotsman. His body quivered with an inaudible 351 chuckle. No, his knowledge of Scottish lore was quite limited: a more 352 nondescript form would do better. Besides, the woolen kilt always came 353 out itchy and annoyingly short. 354 Under the moonlight shade of the Rowan tree Swob began to take 355 the form of a man. As his amorphous body solidified into man-shape, he 356 decided to add some elvish features (just to keep them guessing). The 357 night grew cold quickly, and he wondered how humans could stand 358 maintaining such a high body temperature. He took a half-step toward 359 the building before he realized it. 360 'Clothes! I'm going to need clothes!' He thought out his 361 situation. 'What kind of clothing do you suppose they're wearing in 362 there?' Thinking a peer in the window was imprudent, he took his best 363 guess at a "medeival" look. 'Let's see: shoes - no boots! Kinda suedy. 364 Blue, no grey: charcoal grey boots with those wide-brim tops that fold 365 over. Umm, pants - kinda heavy-duty, um, light grey - drawstring waist, 366 tucked into the boots.' He hurried as he felt his power waning. His 367 shirt was a loose-fitting pirate-style, though considerably thicker, 368 also grey. He thought velour would be nice - too late - he got velour 369 with no fuzz. He spent most of his remaining power fashioning a heavy 370 woolen vest that hung a little past his waist in front and back, with 371 a hole in the top for his head - fastened down with a wide belt. The 372 vest was charcoal as well, but speckled with both lighter and darker 373 points, and sporting in royal-purple a Greek cross that would have looked 374 lke a plus sign except for the widely flared ends. His remaining 375 energy was only enough for a thin, dark cloak that almost blew away in 376 the night's wind. He fastened it about his neck with a small clasp 377 from the pack he normally carried within his body, but now hefted about 378 awkwardly as he adjusted to this unaccustomed shape. 379 "Not even enough for a hat," he muttered as he strode toward the 380 oaken door at the front of the building. He made haste getting inside 381 and shutting the door behind him, still a bit chilled from his direct 382 contact with the night air. He shifted his weight back and forth, trying 383 to find a comfortable stance while he surveyed the interior. A man 384 sitting on a barstool caught his attention. 'Isn't that a T-shirt he's 385 wearing? and blue jeans? and aren't those acrylic ...' 386 Socks! He'd forgotten undergarments again! No wonder this form 387 seemed even more uncomfortable than usual. But with his transmuting 388 power well below the "E" it would be some time before he could fashion 389 even these. 'Oh, well, just have to make due, get something to eat. Hope 390 I remembered to pack some precious metals.' For whatever other qualities 391 he had, he was a bit absent-minded ... 392 393 "I think they should continue the policy of not giving a Nobel _ 394 Prize for paneling." /#) 395 -Jack Handey, "Deep Thoughts" n n n (#/ 396 / ~~~ ~~~ \/ 397 */*/*/*/*/*/*/ -swob (a Self-Willed Orange Blancmange) /___/____\__\ 009=Usr:371 The Adherent 08/16/89 03:51 Msg:4238 Call:23321 Lines:3 398 ^H^ ^H^ 399 The flying H'es were here 400 010=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 08/16/89 16:32 Msg:4239 Call:23328 Lines:7 401 &*&*&*&*'s 402 Again I lurk. I'm hoping to do some story writing soon. Unfortunetly I'm 403 having trouble getting computer time outside of work. Should be clearing 404 up soon though. 405 406 An Astral Dreamer 407 &*&*&*&*'s 011=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 08/17/89 00:22 Msg:4240 Call:23339 Lines:85 408 ...................................................... 409 She had paniced at the approach of the others. It had suddenly occurred to her 410 that she did not know her appearance to others. She remembered enough of her 411 self to know that she had very little control of the form a materialization 412 would take. If the other two had somehow recognized her, before she could get 413 the Plan in motion, it could jeapordize the entire mission. She had to remind 414 herself that she had to be more self-less this time, for much was at stake. 415 As the door of in in slammed behind her, she hoped that Friar would understand, 416 and follow. As she paused to enjoy the deja vu, she thought she glimpsed a 417 mostly naked human dressing itself off in the trees, but it either was her 418 imagination, or it was doing a good job of hiding itself, for she saw no other 419 trace of it now. Where am I going? she asked herself. And where can I find 420 a mirror. 421 ........................................................ 422 423 696969696969 424 DEBATE - DONATING ORGANS OF DYING BABIES USA TODAY'S OPI 425 State laws should allow organ transplants from infants with anencephaly - 426 a fatal condition in which infants are born virtually without a brain - when 427 their parents approve. If parents like Baby Gabriel's want to help other 428 babies live, they should be able to. If we can salvage life from death, then 429 we must do it. 430 OTHER VIEWS: 431 FERN SCHUMER CHAPMAN, free-lance writer: It will take decades and bold and 432 sensitive leadership to develop a new moral code to replace the old one which 433 evolved over centuries. These issues demand a definition of life, of death, 434 and, at the same time, a delineation of the limit of health care in America. 435 PETER B. GEMMA JR., contributing editor to Conservative Digest: The 436 gruesome debate over harvesting human organs from dying infants is back. The 437 timeless and morally inspiring Hippocratic Oath instructs aspiring physicians 438 to "exercise your art solely for the cure of your patients and give no drug, 439 perform no operation, for a criminal purpose, even if solicited, far less 440 suggested." 441 DRS. DONALD MEDEARIS, Massachusetts General Hospital, and LEWIS HOLMES, 442 Brigham and Women's Hospital: "We believe that the weight of medical evidence 443 and ethical and practical arguments strongly favor retaining current law." 444 BRENDA WINNER, mother of anencephalic daughter: "We're not saying all 445 anencephalics should have their organs donated. We're asking that parents have 446 the choice." 447 DETROIT, Ulysses Newkirk, 45, buyer: "If a child is born and classified as 448 dead, then that child should not be made to suffer anymore. If God chooses a 449 child to die, it should die. But it is the parents' responsibility to take 450 their religious and medical views into perspective and decide whether to 451 donate the baby's organs." 452 POWELL, TENN., Alice Thompson, 61, retired assistant manager: "I can't see 453 taking a baby's organs when the baby is not completely dead. I don't feel that 454 it's right. Parents with a child born like that have enough pain in their 455 lives without having their babies kept alive artificially just to use their 456 organs for transplants. ..." 457 458 INSURANCE INDUSTRY IN TROUBLE:-8/16/89 459 Consumers, corporate executives and lawmakers are blasting insurers for 460 everything from profiteering to an unseemly attitude of arrogance and 461 insensitivity, reports the Aug. 21 issue of Business Week. "We're being 462 besieged. It's a holocaust that's going on," says Robert E. Vagley of the 463 American Insurance Association. 464 Insurance customers are rebelling, reports Business Week magazine. 465 Proposition 103 fever is spreading, with up to 10 similar voter initiatives 466 possible in 1990, and 300 insurance reform bills introduced in state 467 legislatures. "We've largely ignored and mistreated our customers," concedes 468 Leslie Cheek III of Crum and Forster Insurance Co. 469 The insurance industry's political clout is crumbling, reports Business 470 Week magazine. State legislators and insurance commissioners, once in the 471 industry's pocket, are more independent and even adversarial. "They're (the 472 insurance industry) losing control of their destiny," says Bruce A. Bunner of 473 accounting firm KPMG Peat Marwick and former California insurance commissioner. 474 Some insurance markets face possible government takeover, reports Business 475 Week magazine. The auto and health markets have become so dysfuctional, with 476 millions unable to afford coverage, that these markets are being increasingly 477 assumed by state and federal agencies. Insurance consultant Barbara J. 478 Lautzenheiser predicts "a real tendency toward socialization of all insurance." 479 The insurance industry cartel is dying, reports Business Week magazine. 480 Competition has become vicious. Soft markets in which insurers often lose 481 money underpricing each other are more protracted while hard markets are 482 briefer, say industry analysts. Critics are seeking ot abolish insurers' 483 antitrust immunity, which could make competition even worse. 484 Insurers' financial health is deteriorating, reports Business Week 485 magazine. "There will almost certainly be a major shakeout, major insolvencies 486 and financial dislocations," says Robert H. Moore of Alexander and Alexander. 487 Life insurers also face shrinkage. While they have mostly escaped the image 488 tarnishing, their profits are under severe, if not irreversable pressure. 489 490 s&l's, then HUD, next insurance..... 491 696969696969696969 492 012=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 08/17/89 08:01 Msg:4241 Call:23344 Lines:14 493 &*&*&*&*'s 494 Why don't we try the trickle up theory? You know, give big breaks and money 495 to poor people. The theory being that they will spend it, the causing the 496 money to trickle up to the rich. 497 498 If you think about it it makes sense. Rich people are much more likely to hoard 499 money then poor people. Poor people can't afford to hoard money. So why not 500 give them a chance to atleast see some of the billions of dollars we give 501 to the rich in various subsidies (Defense,HUD etc). Of course the money will 502 all end up in the same hands evenutally. 503 504 An Astral Dreamer 505 &*&*&*&*'s 506 013=Usr:507 todd rogers 08/17/89 22:17 Msg:4242 Call:23352 Lines:6 507 ------- Hi all long time no call... for me that is. 508 ------- seems to be some pretty heavy stuff on the board now 509 ------- and some interesting stories going on. 510 ------- I'm going to give writing a try here soon 511 ------- and when I do I'll upload it here in parts 512 ------- See ya'll soon..... 014=Usr:219 Friar Mossback 08/18/89 07:16 Msg:4243 Call:23359 Lines:23 513 514 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] 515 "We have met before...I remember a pool, and some darkness." Her words still 516 stung in my ears, when some vagrants approached and asked for a meal. I did 517 not want to be interrupted, as she was saying something about wrongs to be 518 set right. As I turned back to her, to ask her what wrongs she was referring 519 to, she was gone! 520 "Well, what about it?" said the vagabond. 521 "Help yourself, and leave the dishes for the barkeep. He'll know what to do 522 with them." 523 At that moment, I heard the outer door slam. She must have gone outside. 524 What was her name? Kaitlyn? No, that was the name of the cute little 525 trollop who cleaned tables once a week to pay for her tuition with the mages. 526 Kathryn? No, that was the singer at the cabaret in town. I was sure I was 527 on the right track though. Kate? Hmmm. 528 I decided to follow, and slipped my hood up before I went out into the night. 529 As I was doing so, the door burst open and a man I hadn't seen before, with 530 slightly elvin features, practically leaped through. 531 "Keep your brass monkeys indoors tonight, folks!" he shouted, to all and to 532 no one. 533 Even though I had never seen him, I knew him somehow, and I was sure trouble 534 was ahead. I went out in search of it. 535 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Friar [][][][][][][]][][][][][][][][][][][][] 015=Usr:352 Katie Kolbet 08/18/89 10:26 Msg:4244 Call:23363 Lines:16 536 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 537 The whole scene had passed before her, just out of the book. It was only then 538 she remembered holding the book. Finding the place where she was now, she 539 attempted to read ahead and find out what would happen next. The words 540 were not there! She saw the girl leave the table, then the man. A 541 vagabond had come in and began to eat the food. Evidently no one saw her, 542 or knew of her existence. Perhaps she had to say something. Yet, even as 543 she tried to speak, words would not form. Mute, and suddenly lonely, she 544 walked outside the inn. The cool air shocked her system, but she pulled her 545 cloak around her. Cloak? Where had that come from? She closed the book, 546 losing her place, and found herself back at home. In a fruitless effort, 547 she reopened the precious pages, only to find herself somewhere else... 548 A tree formed in front of her, and a creature by it was slowly changing shape. 549 Now what?............. 550 +++++++++++++++++Kaitlyn 551 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 016=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 08/18/89 12:12 Msg:4245 Call:23366 Lines:82 552 696969696969 553 DEBATE - CALLER ID USA TODAY'S OPINION: 554 If enough callers want to block the display of their numbers, phone 555 companies should give them that option, too. Those with call identification 556 won't have to answer them. That's the power call identification can give us. 557 It will provide us a remedy for the millions of sick and annoying calls that 558 now ring into our homes anonymously every year. 559 OTHER VIEWS: 560 DANIEL CLEARFIELD, Pennsylvania's senior assistant consumer advocate: 561 Caller ID service is an example of the two-edged sword many technological 562 advances represent. If phone companies want to offer Caller ID, they should be 563 required to provide a means to block the transmission of a telephone number 564 when a caller has a need to maintain his or her privacy. 565 JUDY MARKEY, columnist for the Chicago Sun-Times and North America 566 Syndicate: This isn't Call Screening. This is Call Revenge. This is Call 567 Fabulous. Because no one will ever again get through and make you sorry that 568 you picked up the phone. 569 ELI NOAM, N.Y. public service commissioner: "Doctors, lawyers, everybody 570 stands to lose control over unlisted phone numbers." 571 GARY MARX, MIT sociology professor: "Anonymity has positive as well as 572 negative consequences." 573 JAMES W. CARRIGAN, New Jersey Bell: "The word is out: People now have the 574 ability to see the phone number of the caller, and many would-be obscene 575 callers are afraid to mess around on the telephone." 576 577 STUDENTS MUST TAKE DRUG TEST:-8/17/89 578 Students of Mississippi's Indianola Academy high school report to class 579 Thursday facing a new entrance exam - mandatory drug tests. And in Homewood- 580 Flossmoor High School near Chicago, all students in interscholastic activities 581 - like athletics and the marching band - will be tested for drugs. Experts say 582 schools are watching the programs as a guide for their own plans. 583 584 UPS USES NATURAL GAS IN TEST:-8/17/89 585 United Parcel Service and Brooklyn Union Gas Co. began a two-year 586 alternative-fuel project Wednesday, making UPS the first private 587 transportation company to use natural gas as a vehicle fuel in New York City. 588 The city has been identified by the Environmental Protection Agency as having 589 the nation's second-worst air pollution problem, behind Los Angeles. 590 A two-year alternative-fuel project between United Parcel Service and 591 Brooklyn Union Gas Co. will involve 10 UPS "package cars" to operate in 592 Brooklyn, N.Y. A preliminary test on a converted UPS car shows that natural 593 gas produced 85 percent less carbon monoxide than gasoline and 25 percent less 594 nitrogen oxide. Mileage was 12 percent better. 595 596 ARCO SELLS GAS REPLACEMENT: 597 ARCO will introduce a replacement for leaded gasoline next month in 598 Southern California that could reduce smog from older vehicles by up to 20 599 percent, company officials said Tuesday. ARCO will stop selling regular leaded 600 fuel and start selling the new gasoline, called EC-1, on Sept. 1. The new gas 601 will be sold to dealers at the same price as leaded gas. 602 ARCO's new leaded-gasoline replacement being introduced in Southern 603 California is called EC-1, an acronym for emission control. It uses a methanol 604 derivative called methyl tertiary butyl ether, MTBE, to boost its octane. MTBE 605 adds oxygen to the gasoline, creates a leaner fuel mixture and leads to fewer 606 emissions. It also contains 50 percent less benzene, a cancer-causing additive. 607 FUEL CONSERVATION BEST:-8/17/89 608 Investing in conservation yields a greater economic return than switching 609 fuels, says a report Wednesday by the Consumer Energy Council of America 610 Research Foundation. The report compares 24 different energy investments to 611 putting money in the bank. Copies can be obtained for $1.50 each by sending a 612 check or money order to CECA/RF, 2000 L St. N.W., Suite 802, Washington, D.C. 613 20036. 614 A report Wednesday by the Consumer Energy Council of America Research 615 Foundation that compares conservation to switching fuels finds that: 616 conservation investments pay between three and eight times as much as putting 617 money in the bank; fuel switching might yield losses or at most meager 618 returns; if a new furnace or boiler is needed, low-efficiency equipment is a 619 terrible investment. 620 IMPORTS SUPPLY OVER HALF DEMAND:-8/17/89 621 For the first time in a dozen years, imported oil supplied more than half 622 the U.S. petroleum demand in July, according to the American Petroleum 623 Institute. Reason: slowed production from Alaska's aging fields. API reported 624 total imports of crude oil and refined products averaged 8.5 million barrels a 625 day, or 50.4 percent of U.S. deliveries. 626 Imports declined in the early 1980s as production from Alaska oilfields 627 grew and were only 31.5 percent of total usage in 1985, when they averaged 4.9 628 million barrels a day. The American Petroleum Institute says the highest year- 629 long percentage for imports was 47.7 percent in 1977. For the first seven 630 months of 1989, imports averaged 46.2 percent. 631 632 696969696969696969 633 017=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 08/19/89 10:08 Msg:4246 Call:23387 Lines:7 634 &*&*&*&*'s 635 636 Another lurk. where have all the free hours gone? 637 638 An Astral Dreamer 639 &*&*&*&*'s 640 018=Usr:33 Mike Stanfill 08/19/89 14:02 Msg:4247 Call:23393 Lines:37 641 /*/*/*/*/*/*/* 642 "Brass monkeys????" Swob wondered to himself, "whatever possessed me to 643 say that?" Perhaps his recent concern over alloys and similar, non-rational 644 beings had manifested themselves in this human form, just as his need for 645 sustenance had become a swirling, warm sensation in his belly. The sen- 646 sation became deeper and more widespread as he considered the possibility 647 that he had picked up personality traits of former inhabitants while 648 transmuting under the Rowan tree. This place was full of magick (at least 649 tonight), and that was scary enough without strange phrases erupting from 650 his mind. 651 The place was bustling with activity. The woman he'd seen leave the 652 building earlier (had she seen him?) was soon followed by a man who looked 653 like a monk, though certainly not Orthodox. Imagining what he would look 654 like through blancmange eyes, he knew he had seen him before. He turned 655 and smiled in a gesture of friendship, but the man was already out the door. 656 And who was that girl who'd surprised him out by the tree? Quietest 657 stalker he'd ever not heard. Bad enough to forget clothing, even worse 658 that someone had *seen* him - a female no less. He wasn't sure how much 659 of his present colour was due to cold, and how much to embarassment. He'd 660 tipped the hat he didn't have, taken a long bow and started toward the door. 661 It wasn't polite to speak first in the presence of royalty... 662 663 (It wasn't polite to leave either, but in his embarassment and chill he 664 forgot this) 665 666 "I don't even know what a brass monkey *is*..." -me 667 668 "I guess I kinda lost control, because in the middle of the play I ran up 669 and lit the evil puppet villain on fire. 670 No, I didn't. Just kidding. I just said that to help illustrate one 671 of the human emotions, which is freaking out. Another emotion is greed, 672 as when you kill someone for money, or something like that. Another 673 emotion is generosity, as when you pay someone double what he paid _ 674 for his stupid puppet." /#) 675 -Jack Handey, "Deep Thoughts" n n n (#/ 676 / ~~~ ~~~ \/ 677 */*/*/*/*/*/*/ -swob (a Self-Willed Orange Blancmange) /___/____\__\ 019=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 08/19/89 17:39 Msg:4248 Call:23397 Lines:8 678 &*&*&*&*'s 679 A really short SF story follows. 680 681 "Killer Space plauge! Ack!" Thud. 682 683 An Astral Dreamer 684 &*&*&*&*'s 685 020=Usr:272 Talos 08/20/89 00:10 Msg:4249 Call:23404 Lines:15 686 <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*> 687 There can only be one. 688 And the original has returned! 689 690 Its........ 691 692 __________ ___ ___ 693 / / \ \ / / 694 /___ ____/ \ \ / / 695 / / \ \ / / 696 / /alos \ /alheru 697 / / \ / 698 /_/ \_/ 699 700 <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*> 021=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 08/20/89 17:10 Msg:4250 Call:23414 Lines:8 701 &*&*&*&*'s 702 703 Short SF story two. (In verse.) 704 A molten spot upon the sun. It explodes, mankinds storys done. 705 706 An Astral Dreamer 707 &*&*&*&*'s 708 022=Usr:352 Katie Kolbet 08/20/89 17:30 Msg:4251 Call:23415 Lines:6 709 She glanced at the strange creature. It seemed to resemble something human, 710 and clothes seemed to appear from its own skin. The woman and the man were 711 nowhere in sight, so she decided to follow the road leading away from the inn. 712 Her book gave her no clues, but, in the adventurous spirit, she headed on.... 713 +++Kaitlyn++++ 714 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 023=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 08/21/89 15:05 Msg:4252 Call:23432 Lines:7 715 &*&*&*&*'s 716 Friar, the package is ready. Get in touch with Milch to arrange for 717 transference. 718 719 An Astral Dreamer 720 &*&*&*&*'s 721 024=Usr:368 Nemesis Warlock 08/21/89 22:09 Msg:4253 Call:23440 Lines:1 722 off 025=Usr:368 Nemesis Warlock 08/22/89 10:14 Msg:4254 Call:23453 Lines:52 723 :::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::==== 724 The Cloaked Man had not moved since his escapade with the beggar some time 725 before. Already, the dawning of the Second Triad had occurred, and the Stone 726 Triangle bore silent witness to the coming and going of another segment in the 727 neverending cycle of Pyrrix Aaal. 728 Quietly, the Cloaked Man stared up at the Triangle, as if cataloging each 729 crack, each impurity that ran along the marble. His eyes moved along almost 730 randomly, searching the stone for some missing element that seemed to hide 731 from his gaze. 732 Then, at the exact moment when the second moon passed behind the Triangle 733 of Stone, his eyes flashed a gleam of understandin. Hurriedly, with hands 734 almost quivering with what might have been a mixture of excitement and fear, 735 he fumbled about in a large pocket on the inside of his cloak, and brought 736 forth two small devices. The first, a gleaming rod of golden metal, he 737 twisted in his hands, until the larger end, at the top, extended outwards on a 738 smaller rod of glass. Within the blown, twisting structure, tiny beads of 739 light swirled and swayed, darting up and down the length of the rod with a 740 rhythmic, pulsating heartbeat that was almost hypnotic in its intensity. 741 "Ah." the metallic voice whispered, a hint of satisfactiontingingits 742 somber tone. "Perfect.. He's left the Inn... AND the field." He twisted a 743 small circlet of glass set into the base of the rod. "Probability is stable, 744 line is established." 745 His thin fingers danced over a small set of four buttons, and the air was 746 filled with a burning smell, like rubber and asphalt. A crackling hum 747 resounded from the surface of the Stone Triangle, and a green cloud began to 748 swirl around the being of the Cloaked Man. 749 "It begins, and ends." he muttered, and his dry voice drifted through the 750 eternal night of the Networks. 751 752 753 Outside the Inn, a somewhat stout individual approached a country road, 754 as if searching for something on the gray horizon. His eyes, lost in their 755 ponderings, failed to notice a billowing thunderhead in the distance growing 756 closer, as if pulled by unseen strings across the distant ocean, until the 757 cloud was almost directly overhead. 758 With a sound and scent of cannon fire, a wid of tremendous force 759 whipped against the helpless being, who stepped backwards, attempting to gain 760 his bearings enough to retreat back to the Inn. 761 bBefore he could, however, a thin ray of golden light erupted from tthe 762 base of the cloud, slinking downwards to the ground, where it scorched the 763 moss that covered the thin, rounded stones that covered the walkway that led 764 to the large brick building in the near distance. 765 Just as before, the Cloaked Man rode the light to the ground, where a wave 766 of his hand abruptly stopped the winds and distant thunder. 767 "Friar..." he muttered, his voice one of ashes and decay, just as it had 768 been when he whispered those words in the filthy alleyway where he had arrived 769 on this world. 770 "For crimes against my world," he said, easing a small, nearly invisible 771 line of inky blackness from his other hand. "I am to Judge, to Carry Out, and 772 to Execute." 773 774 :::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::==Zephyr::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::==== 026=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 08/22/89 13:06 Msg:4255 Call:23455 Lines:38 775 &*&*&*&*'s 776 777 'The lines a thin one.' 778 Morton noted looking down at the open box. 779 780 'True, but it should have no trouble carrying the current. After all, the 781 sonnel built to last.' 782 783 'As you say.' 784 785 Bending down Morton examined the line again more closely. Any break would 786 be devastating. After a moment he was as sure as he could be. 787 788 'Are you ready?' He asked his companion. 789 790 'Yes.' 791 792 'Then here we go.' So saying, he closed the box and stepped back. It would 793 only be moments now. 794 795 time... 796 797 'It doesn't seem to be working.' 798 799 'Indeed. It looks as if our quest is off to a bad start.' 800 801 'Perhaps. But we do have other options.' 802 803 Morton nodded. 'Yes, you are right. I had hoped to avoid that option, 804 but it appears I am forced into it nonetheless.' 805 806 'Should we take the box?' 807 808 'Yes, It has other uses.' 809 810 An Astral Dreamer 811 &*&*&*&*'s 812 027=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 08/24/89 21:31 Msg:4256 Call:23468 Lines:3 813 Hmm, 814 BackWater has been dead for two days and nobody said anything. 815 --------------------------------------------------------------------- 028=Usr:368 Nemesis Warlock 08/24/89 21:48 Msg:4257 Call:23470 Lines:1 816 HOW CLEVER! 029=Usr:13 voyeur 08/25/89 00:23 Msg:4258 Call:23478 Lines:4 817 ::::::::O O::::::08/25/89::::::::::::::::::::::::::::00:27:46:::::O O:::::::::: 818 > BackWater has been dead for two days and nobody said anything. 819 Exactly! BackWater has been dead for two days and nobody *could* say anything! 820 ::::::::O O:::::::::::::::::::::voyeur::::::::::::::::::::::::::::O O:::::::::: 030=Usr:385 Steve Culliton 08/25/89 00:52 Msg:4259 Call:23479 Lines:3 821 ++++++++++++++++++++++++================================++++++++++++++++++ 822 Is "Copylink" still available? 823 ++++++++++++++++++++++++================================++++++++++++++++++ 031=Usr:272 Talos 08/25/89 00:59 Msg:4260 Call:23480 Lines:8 824@<*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>< 825 <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*> 826 So tell me before I go off on a story of my own, is there a reserved status on 827 the board fo rthe current story line? I don't wanna step on anyone's shoes, ya 828 know? L8r again, 829 830 Talos Valheru 831 <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*> 032=Usr:4 Milchar 08/25/89 13:19 Msg:4261 Call:23494 Lines:6 832 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 833 I was-a gonna call you tonight if it had remained down. What 834 happened? Offhand, I can't think of anything that would cause 835 BWMS II to not answer the phone at all (Not even a Trying to connect 836 to BWMS message), except power failure AND a disk error of some sort. 837 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Milch +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 033=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 08/25/89 20:08 Msg:4262 Call:23501 Lines:27 838 &*&*&*&*'s 839 Talos, write what you will. I don't think people will mind. (How about that 840 story you started a few months ago?) 841 842 Some roads are less pleasent then others. The one via the line and the 843 box would have been easy. Perhaps thats why it didn't work. Morton was 844 carefull to pack the device properly. Caution leads to long life in these 845 cases. 846 847 Morton examined Obrut carefully and decided that the chair was 848 already overloaded. He would have to carry this burden. 'Come along Obrut, 849 Our destiny awaits!' 850 851 'More likely our death.' 852 853 'be quite familiar and follow me.' 854 855 Much can be said for having a chair as a familiar. It has four legs, 856 is inconspicuos when not moving and can be used for it's fundamental 857 purpose when one grows tired. 858 859 Doors and windows secured, Morton and Obrut walked down the road to 860 Yeladad. 861 862 An Astral Dreamer 863 &*&*&*&*'s 864 034=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 08/25/89 21:14 Msg:4263 Call:23502 Lines:13 865 ............................................. 866 She looked over her shoulder, and could see she was being followed. She was 867 not ready to be seen again...yet. The trees were tall, and the shadows deep. 868 She knew somehow that the pool was near by, but where? And what would she do 869 when she got there? Besides, of course, the obvious. What form had she taken 870 this time? Was she pretty? Did she have a healthy body, or would it be 871 withered and worn as it was at the time of the... Her thoughts were suddenly 872 interrupted by the crack of a small branch being stepped on. She could tell it 873 was the one called Friar, but now she could see others approaching. Were they 874 following him? And to what end? He had said all were friends at the Inn. Did 875 that extend to the outside world? No time to learn now, she thought. 876 .............................................. 877 035=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 08/25/89 21:32 Msg:4264 Call:23503 Lines:11 878 ************************************************************************** 879 Yes, Copylink is still available. You can obtain it through 880 Day Research P.O. Box 22902 Milwaukie Oregon 97222 881 For more information you can send to that address for a flyer. 882 883 BW dead: It was the result of a power hit and subsequent modem heart 884 failure. The modem has since been brought back to life. 885 It would have been fixed earlier, but I've been rather busy the last week 886 or so and have not had much time to spare for important issues like 887 babysitting BWMS. Ah well, it's working now, that's what is important. 888 ****************************** CM **************************************** 036=Usr:387 MIKE DAVIDSON 08/26/89 11:04 Msg:4265 Call:23516 Lines:8 889 O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O 890 IS THIS TIRED OLD BBS STILL AROUND? GOD, I THINK WE MUST BE SETTING 891 SOME KIND OF LONG-TIME UP BBS RECORD HERE. SO...HOW MANY YEARS 892 HAS IT BEEN FOR BWMS? OR.. BWMS II AS I BELIEVE IT IS CALLED 893 NOW. 894 I see the first-year philosophy majors are exercising their 895 keyboards... 896 O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O+O 037=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 08/26/89 20:29 Msg:4266 Call:23525 Lines:20 897 &*&*&*&*'s 898 899 As Heinlein once said (More or less, and through one of his characters.) 900 'Philosophers never let facts get in the way of the truth.' A good 901 philosopher is meerly an historian of philosophy. The fact that he or she 902 can regurgitate things said in the past does not impress me. The difference 903 between Philosophy and Sophistry is really just about nil from the point of 904 view of the reciever fo `enlightenment'. The only difference is in the 905 motivation. 906 907 All this means to me is that one man/womans opinion is as valuable as 908 anothers. Quoting Hume, Socrates or Dworkin to support ones point of view is 909 no different in reality then quoting anybody else talking about life and 910 its meaning. 911 912 Deeper meaning often just means that you are a deeper fool. 913 914 An Astral Dreamer 915 &*&*&*&*'s 916 038=Usr:53 prince dragon 08/26/89 21:02 Msg:4267 Call:23527 Lines:7 917 .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. prince dragon .-=-.-=-.etc... 918 to tiger: 919 my landline is still down, sorry about not seeing you today 89.08.23.13:00 920 if you could call telco and ask them to fix ,tnx 921 reply here as agora is at this time down also(modem is there but no system) 922 mycoys * 923 .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. 039=Usr:368 Nemesis Warlock 08/26/89 23:00 Msg:4268 Call:23531 Lines:1 924 PROFOUND WORDS! 040=Usr:29 The Bard 08/27/89 19:47 Msg:4269 Call:23543 Lines:10 925 SWOB: 926 Hate to tell you this, but multivalued logic systems have been around 927 for a long time. They no more destroy the basis of logic, than using a base 928 other than 10 destroys the basis of arithmetic. 929 Also "This sentence is false" is not a paradox in *any* logic system! 930 There's usually a chapter on this sor of thing in any good book on symbolic 931 logic. The only way it looks like a paradox is if you confuse the langauge 932 and the meta-language. If that doesn't mean anything, get a book on logic. 933 (I know that Copi's book covers it!) 934 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~BARD~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 041=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par 08/27/89 21:29 Msg:4270 Call:23546 Lines:31 935 *_)@*%)_#@*%_)@*)_!~(%_+!)%+_)%+#(*^_)#*^_+)(%_+@)%_+@)%@_+%(*#$_*^!+#_%(@_+~%( 936 937 The party's over 938 The evening's done 939 The tape is copied 940 Let's have some fun? 941 942 Friar, please let me know when you receive the goods. I want to make sure a hot 943 game or moria or nethack or qix doesn't get in the way of the completion of the 944 business transaction. 945 946 All who came: Twas fun, let's do it again sometime in the next 6 months. 947 948 *_*%_#)@%_)#%*()_@(%)_@^*)@_%^*!@%@% L'homme sans Parity *%@_)*_)@#%_)@*%(*@)_# 949 950 ===================----------------==================-----------------========= 951 Hey, I don't know why some people don't like the news bulletins on here! I 952 think they are great. I mean jeez, I get on this system to read stories and 953 debates, and instead I get rehashed stuff from USA Today! Why wouldn't I be 954 thrilled? I really think they are great! Once you really put your mind to it, 955 you too can convince that reading something that one person wrote and then 956 another person transcribes here is much better than reading original thoughts, 957 comments, stories, and so forth. 958 959 What would you rather read anyway? A nifty multiple authored story written by 960 a bunch of interesting people having a good old time, or thrown-up news 961 uploaded by someone who obviously just doesn't care? 962 963 I know what my vote is. 964 --------------------=============== Charitable ==============----------======== 965 042=Usr:379 Phoenix Polymorp 08/27/89 22:14 Msg:4271 Call:23548 Lines:11 966 Check feed..... 967 All links ok..... 968 Give me a count....3......2.....1.....Que logo...Stand by Controll.... 969 970 THIS IS WORLD WATCH THREE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>27/AUG/89 971 This is Phoenix Polymorph, live and direct from the Wilsonville Banzai 972 Institute. All is quiet on the news front now, but we're going to change all 973 that. News flashes as we fabricate it. 974 ^P 975 WWIII>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 976 Drop link... 043=Usr:219 Friar Mossback 08/28/89 08:13 Msg:4272 Call:23558 Lines:7 977 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] 978 Sorry, no story entry today. Job interview for new position with the company. 979 Department Manager. Oooooh. I'm soooooo impressed. I know, but it does 980 mean an extra $200 or so a month as a token raise, and with spouse out of 981 work for the baby, every little bit helps. 982 Will continue Wednesday or so. 983 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Friar [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] 044=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 08/28/89 16:00 Msg:4273 Call:23564 Lines:16 984 696969696969 985 Chemical Analysis 986 987 Element : Woman 988 Symbol : WO 989 Discoverer : Adam 990 Quantitative Analysis: Accepted at 36-28-36, though isotopes ranging from 991 25-10-20 to 60-55-60 have been identified 992 993 Occurance: Found wherever man is, but seldom in the highly reactive, 994 energetic singlet state. Surplus quantities in all urban areas 995 996 Physical Properties: Undergoes spontaneous dehydrolysis (weeps) at absolutely 997 anything. (more on next disk, maybe) 998 999 696969696969696969