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We are really depressed

~pr1ba

I live in Russian Crimea. And for all of us, as well as for you, the latest news was a shock.

Society is strongly divided in half and this causes disputes and conflicts, which I try not to get involved in the Internet space.

-My point of view is complex in general, because Of course, as an adequate modern person, I oppose war. On the other hand, I understand the reasons for what is happening and they are not so unambiguous.

Putin immediately stated that the goal of the military operation was to demilitarize and remove ultra-right personalities from power.

In Europe and the United States, little is said about this and little is known, but yes, there are a lot of neo-Nazis in Ukraine who, under private control, after 2014 successfully strive for power. I was amazed all this time that the European Union does nothing about it. But this initially did not suit Russia. We, as a country that defeated fascism, are completely unacceptable for such a turn. Ultra-right children's camps, which are increasingly reminiscent of the "Hitler Youth", ultra-right battalions "Azov" and "Aidar", where people with tattooed swastikas are rushing into battle, and when peacetime is simply rushing into politics and business, and the ordinary population has long been afraid of them that -something to oppose, because facing repression.

Now we try not to watch the news, we are terribly worried about everything that happens. That ordinary people can suffer, on the other hand, we see that there are clashes that reach bitterness precisely with the ultra-right battalions.

And most importantly, I don't understand.. How can politicians and ordinary people be identified? Did someone ask us?

Did Biden ask the US population when he methodically brought this situation to an absurd escalation? I doubt very much, just as I doubt that ordinary citizens generally understood that the authorities were doing this. First of all, it is terrible that the mediocre authorities of Ukraine have made us enemies, and secondly, this persecution by the authorities of the EU and the USA of everything Russian has only exacerbated this gap. We have suffered all this time that we can no longer visit each other. That if you have a Russian passport, you may be subject to gunfire while driving through Ukraine. And now the situation is unlikely to improve.. The Ukrainian government will eventually run away, but we will have a fundamental rift that we will overcome for a very long time. Even when Putin and the government that now rules Russia are gone.

Once I wrote a comment these days, I asked a Ukrainian patriot who lives in Sevastopol why people in Ukraine are silent when attacks on Jews have become more frequent? When people suffer on a national basis, because it reminds me of 1933 in Germany... She gave me the answer, which I give below, he plunged me into a final depression. Are we really in the 21st century?

"[Forwarded from Inna Inna]

You know, I'm not as eloquent as you, but I'll try to answer this is my opinion. Jews and I do not like because they are not people, they are the main ones who profited from the war, read documentary literature, although the Jews successfully delete everything! And people did nothing for one reason, Ukrainians, they are working people, unlike Russians, and they have no time to drag obscenities through the trenches. Yes, not without freaks in Ukraine, there are also lazy people who went to war for money and an alcoholic, and they went against their mother! But from the Russian side, the same song. So no need to whitewash what is black!!"

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~contrarian wrote:

Zelenskyy and Putin are both Young Global Leaders.

~nsilvestri wrote (thread):

I appreciate your perspective, because it's so different from (and much more directly experienced) than my own as someone in the US. If you don't mind, can I make some points and ask some questions from my perspective? I want to try and understand your perspective better:

The anti-Nazism goal stated by Putin, from my perspective, feels disingenuous. Although groups like the Azov battalion exist, the Ukrainian president is Jewish. It seems like both the Ukrainian and Russian government would be on the same side here. Wouldn't it have made more sense to work together with Ukraine to remove Nazis?

What things did Biden specifically do to escalate the situation? From my perspective most things that he has declared have seemed to be in retaliation to Putin's decisions. Condemnations and sanctions have come after the invasion began, not before. Now I read in the news that Putin is putting nuclear forces on alert. This feels to me like Putin escalating, I haven't heard any nuclear posturing from the US (or NATO, for that matter). Either way, I'm frightened. Nuclear war is good for no one.

Thank you if you take the time to answer my questions. Us ordinary people all want the same thing, to feel safe and have shelter and food and water.

~pr1ba wrote:

It's just as strange to see that people don't know about the Marshall Plan. After all, it is enough to look at the speech of Bush Sr. after the collapse of the USSR. :(

We are simply pitted against yesterday's brothers. Divide and rule.