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In article <1993Jan27.010801.14907@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mcarney@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael Carney) writes:
>I'm looking for anyone who has any information concerning the use
> of Jimson weed for it's halucinagenic properties. I have been able
> to find references to it's use by Native Americans in history as
> well as this century, as recently as the 60s. From what I've been
> able to find, this is a powerful drug, so I would like to recieve
> some information from someone who has actually used this drug before
Jimson weed is Datura Stramonium, a member of the nightshade family.
The active chemicals in Jimson include atropine, scopolamine, and
hyoscamine. The buzz from this family of psychotropic plants is more
like a dilerium with very strong hallucinations than anything else.
Jimson is very poisonous, the buzz couldn't really be described as
recreational, and I wouldn't try it, myself. If you decide to
experiment with it, be *extremely* careful, because just a little too
much could kill you. I have tried smoking a small amount of Datura
Inoxia, and the buzz is interesting, but not overly pleasant. It has
been reported that Datura Inoxia has been added to marijuana for extra
effects, but I don't have any firsthand knowledge of this combination,
since I personally wouldn't even *think* of doing any *illegal* drugs. ;-)
It's possible that Datura Stramonium could be used in the same way,
but I haven't heard or read of anyone trying this.
-Alan Harder
ash@math.ams.org
The opinions expressed above are not the opinions of the American
Mathematical Society. They aren't even my opinions, really, I'm just
borrowing them.
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From: harris@scorch.apana.org.au (Michael Brown)
Subject: Re: Datura Stramonium
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 15:17:09 GMT
Message-ID: <1993Apr6.151709.466@scorch.apana.org.au>
ez026264@hamlet.ucdavis.edu (The God of Apathy) writes:
|Does anybody know where to get Datura Stramonium seeds or live plants?
|DS is commonly called jimsonweed or thorn apple and it is a native weed to CA, but I don't know where to find it.
Actually Datura is one psychoactive that you may be wiser to have
nothing to do with. I shall quote a passage from
Psychedelic_Drugs_Reconsidered , a generally pro-psychedelic
text.
Anticholinergenic Deleriants.
These drugs are not usually regarded as psychedelic , although
they have a great deal in common historically, culturally, and
pharmacologically with other drugs taken for their mind-altering
powers. They are called anticholinergic because they block the
action f acetylcholine , a nerve transmitter substance that
controlls the contraction of skeletal muscles and also plays an
important role in the chemistry of the brain. They are called
deleriants because their effects at high doses include incoherent
speach, disorientation, delusions, an halucinations , often
followed by depression and amnesia for the period of intoxication.
The classical anticholinergic delirients are the belladonna
alkaloids:
These tropane derivatives, the most powerfull and important of
which is scopolamine, are found in differing concentrations in
various plants of the Nightshade Family or Solanaceae, among them
deadly nightshade (Atropa belladona), mandrake (Mandragora
officinarum), black henbane (Hyoscyamus niger), jimsonweed (Datura
stramonium, and over twenty other species of henbane and datura.
Of all psychoactive drugs , only alcohol has been in use for so
long over such a large part of the world. For thousands of years
on all inhabited continents the belladonna alkaloids have been a
tool of shamans and sorcerers, who take advantage of the
sensations they evok to leave their bodies, soar through the air,
or change into an animal in their imagination. They also produce
toxic organic symptoms like headache, dry throat, loss of motor
control, blurred vision , and greatly increased heart rate and and
body temperature; death from paralysis and respiratory may occur.
The belladonna alkaloids are so terrifying and incapacitating -
the physical effects often so unpleasant, and the loss of contact
with ordinary reality so complete - that they are used only with
great caution and rarely for pleasure. For the same reasons,
ironically, they are not regarded as a drug abuse problem and can
be bought in small doses on perscription or in over-the-counter
sedatives and pills for asthma, colds, and motion sickness.
END QUOTE
And Yes Folks , it seems that if you know the the right car
sickness tablets to buy , you can take a fair few and you'll trip
out quite severly . I know of several people that used to swear by
it , untill one got caught by police doing bizzare things and
totaly out of controll in Newcastle. He was arested and when he
went to court he could not convice the judge that car sickness
tablets could do that , so he was done for a more serious drug
offence.
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From: dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (Andrew C. Crowell)
Subject: Re: Datura Stramonium
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 00:26:45 GMT
Message-ID: <C5G6KL.28B@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
In article <1993Apr13.193317.1@summer.chem.su.oz.au> morgan_j@summer.chem.su.oz.au writes:
>The following was clipped from 'The Sydney Morning Herald', 13/4/93
>
>EXPERTS TRUMPET DANGERS OF SHRUB
>
>Brisbane: Chewing the leaves of the ornamental shrub known as Angel's Trumpet
>to get a cheap "high" was a dangerous pastime that could kill, authorities
>warned yesterday.
>
[large section of article deleted]
>
>Angel's Trumpet is a tall shrub with coarse foliage which owes its ornamental
>value to its white 20 cm long trumpet shaped flowers. In garden books it is
>listed as datura arborea but has recently been reclassified as species
>brugmansia.
>
>One authoritative volume stresses that revision of the name be noted so the
>plant is not bought by mistake.
>
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>
>While the advice concerning the dangerous properties of datura is probably
>worth heeding, there are some amusing hysterical overstatements.
Mmmmmaybe. _Brugmansia_ spp. are related to _Datura_, true...but the
"tree Daturas" are not quite the same as far as chemical makeup as what we
all know as Datura. Brugmansias, as a whole group, are _significantly_
more potent (having a higher and somewhat different alkaloid makeup) than
Daturas of any species. Even Schultes and Hoffman, in _Plants_of_the_Gods_,
treat these as two very different plants, with their own separate sections
in the book.
Incidentially, Schultes and Hoffman also note that neither
_Brugmansia_arborea_ nor _Datura_arborea_ is the correct classification
of this plant. Its proper taxonomic identification is _Brugmansia_aurea_,
which is the most widespread of the Brugmansias in the Andes, where they
are native.
Yes, I'd say this would be some hysterical overstatements if this
were an article on Datura, also. But this is Brugmansia we're dealing
with here...a very different plant. There's also been deaths from it in
the USA in the tropical regions (Florida, and such) because of people
treating it lightly like they might _Datura_stramonium_. It's not a plant
for casual play, in my experience and opinion.
D.A.C. Crowell
Computer Music Project/School of Music
University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign
(dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu)
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From: chris@hacktic.nl (chris)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Datura, MG seeds, etc...
Date: 18 Jan 1994 18:31:40 +0100
Message-ID: <2hh6eaINNs0@xs4all.hacktic.nl>
sm1968@u.cc.utah.edu (stephen miller) writes:
>: What is the possibility of ending up in a psych hospital from using either of
>: these?
>I have a friend that took a handful at the NV testsite this summer. He
>experienced thre days of intense delirium. On his third day he showed up
>at my doorstep in Salt Lake City and proceded to tell me the story with
>full hyper-metaphoric-spiritual insight detours over the course of about
>three or four hours (it might have been more--the memory, y'know).
>Anyway, this winter he still insists that he has not fully recovered.
> Apparently this is the deal: the seeds are *HEAVY*DUTY* If you
>are seriously into fucking with (remapping) your head in seriously chaotic
>ways--this is your "vehicle" if you think you can survive it (my friend
>probably almost didn't). A much milder version of this trip (one that is,
>so I have heard, relatively safe) can be had by making a tea with the
>leaves. I have not tried this and do not specifically recall anyone else
>who had first-hand experience. My friend threw the remainder of his seeds
>out the window, so perhaps in the spring....
> Stephen Miller
I can confirm the validity of the description above from my own experience.
This was from a TEA made out of the leaves of Datura Stramonium.
If you want hallucinations this is your drug. However "you" are not there
to experience them. This stuff takes over completely and irreversibly for
at least 24 hours. Stupidly, I went out while the effects had not yet
fully started. After having been thrown out of a bar, where I was
desperately searching for my briefcase that was suposed to be there someplace
(but which i hadn't even with me ) I found myself in a city that i did not
recognize. I did not remember where I came from , where to go , what do do,
who I was, let alone what I was doing there at this time of night, nor did
I have any clue how to get "home" as far as there was still a conception
of what home might be. There was complete retrograde amnesia: no acces to
any knowledge at all. In the mean time I had encounters with people I knew
, that were able to do a disapearing act. Just by standing behind a light
pole they could make themselves invisible. (This must be the "witches sabbath"
hallucination , which seems recurrent in this type of delirium: the very
very real hallucination of speaking with people). Also I was constantly
hallucinating that I was smoking a cigarette, which whould suddenly disappear
leaving me searching te street , thinking that i dropped it. Witches are
actually shrubs growing in front yards (they live underground, the
branches are the hairs) Lots and lots of little bugs hand each other berries
along branches. I must have walked the same street 50 times back and forth
Wanting to get somewhere , forgetting were i was going to or were i was
in the first place. A small statue of a child alongside the road started
laughing and laughing harder and harder every time i passed, it was a
ridiculous sight to see this idiot come by for the 40th time, even for a
statue. And so on . For 24 hours. It was a really interesting experience,
not a nice one, I could not see straight for a week (due to
anticholinergic parasympatholytic effect of atropine/scopolamine.)
Only for those who want to be able to say that they tried EVERYTHING.
chris